NZ Herald - Canterbury biker down; black Triumph (8 August) [Archive]

laRIKin

9th August 2007, 20:46

I'm sorry to say good bye to another friend and rider.

Some of you Christchurch riders may not twig to the name Brendon Richard White.

But many of you will know him as just Brendon.

I use to race a SR500 and so did he and he use to race buckets as well.
Until his better half and him had a kid who is now 3 1/2 years old.
So he has been out of the race scene for awhile.

He was not on his own bike and this would lead some of you a stray as he normally rides a custom V-Max that he has had for many years, he was a good friend of Lloyde's who had a Moto Guzzi MKIV and raced as well before he did a O/E to England for about 8 years.

RIP mate.

Conquiztador

9th August 2007, 20:51

True, it's not nice, especially the hoping like hell it's not someone you know........but........ it is an unfortunate unavoidable fact of life...........

It is always somebody that someone knows.

My thoughts are with the family of Brendon Richard White, 36, of Christchurch.

May you Rest In Peace.

Biff

9th August 2007, 20:53

I heard a lot of emergency vehicle sirens close to my home (Rangiora), so I turned on my police scanner. It made for harrowing listening.

RIP.

dangerous

9th August 2007, 21:40

... :bye: ...

laRIKin

10th August 2007, 07:01

At this stage it will be Monday to pay your respects.

Will post time etc, when I know more.

SDU and I will be there on our bikes.

Bren

10th August 2007, 07:06

Live fast, Die Hard...At least he died doing something he loved

nudemetalz

10th August 2007, 07:06

At this stage it will be Monday to pay your respects.

Will post time etc, when I know more.

SDU and I will be there on our bikes.

Would appreciate if you could also represent us fellow Wellington riders on Monday also.
Thanks LM & SDU.

shafty

10th August 2007, 07:14

Our thoughts, sympathies and prayers are with the family of Brendon.

Ride free fellow Biker.....

May you Rest In Peace.

Rashika

10th August 2007, 07:18

very sad to hear of another biker down... :bye:

RIP mate

TonyB

10th August 2007, 07:36

Thanks Le Mans for letting us know something about him. My thoughts are with his family- especially his son/daughter. At 3-1/2 I wonder if they will remember their dad.....I guess its up to those that knew Brendan to make sure they do.

Huntaway

10th August 2007, 08:37

Chanced on this collision shortly after it happened. Saw the bike laying on the grass verge, tail light still burning... I thought the rider might have been thrown clear and was very saddened to learn yesterday the rider was killed. Not his fault either it seems looking at this mornings Press... I travel this road often and although I don't know Brendon I feel most affected by this. My sincere condolences to Brendon's family...

laRIKin

10th August 2007, 18:32

WHITE, Brendon Richard
Tragically killed while doing what he loved, on August 8, 2007, much loved partner of Lisa, special daddy to Anton, loved son of Colin and the late Joy, loved brother of Shiree, and loved grandson of Jean and the late Eric, and a loved cousin, uncle, nephew and friend of all.
Messages c/o the White Family, PO Box 35-046, Christchurch.
A celebration of Brendon's life will be held at the Canterbury Crematorium Chapel, Linwood Avenue, on Monday, August 13, at 11 a.m.
Please feel free to bring your bikes.
You may follow the hearse from Brandon's home leaving at 10:15 a.m.
Dignity with Sincerity Funeral Services, F.S.C.N.Z Griefsupport.

I will pass on all your (I don't know) best wishers.
I still can not believe it.

dangerous

10th August 2007, 20:28

BrenBlade, what's his last name???

A couple of people have asked me if it was Brendon B aka 'Brenblade' or 'Bren_chch' NO it wasnt, hes still kicking folks.

scumdog

10th August 2007, 21:34

Live fast, Die Hard...At least he died doing something he loved

But, but he's still DEAD.

And that's what counts- you're a long time dead - like forever, love what you're doing or not.

RIP.

Kickaha

10th August 2007, 21:53

Some of you Christchurch riders may not twig to the name Brendon Richard White.

I had to read it a couple of times before I clicked

He was not on his own bike and this would lead some of you a stray as he normally rides a custom V-Max

Thats what had me wondering whether it was him or not

I hadn't seen him for at least a year as he didn't come out to the track quite so often anymore but I remember him running the V Max at a track day a few years back

I might see you and Sally there on Monday if I can get away from work

quickbuck

10th August 2007, 22:02

RIP Brendon.
Condolences to all friends and Family :bye:

McJim

10th August 2007, 22:11

My condolences to the family left behind.

He's about my age and his child is about the age of my oldest.

Too angry about careless cagers to talk about it.

Rest in peace.

laRIKin

11th August 2007, 09:08

I had to read it a couple of times before I clicked

Thats what had me wondering whether it was him or not

I hadn't seen him for at least a year as he didn't come out to the track quite so often anymore but I remember him running the V Max at a track day a few years back

I might see you and Sally there on Monday if I can get away from work

I have talked to a few people that it has taken a while for it to click.

So I will add a bit more to help those that can not remember him, but have.
He was a shortish stocky build with light coloured hair and was always smile and was real easygoing.
He had raced CAM's as well and wore fire engine red racing leathers with WHITE written on the back of the shoulders in white lettering.
His V-Max had high (well made) Stainless Steel custom pipes made by him as he was a Stainless Steel Fabricator and did make pipe's some times for other people.
Now he painted his bike and I have seen it, but for the life of me I can not remember the colour, I think it was dark colours Black and Purple.
The thing that you will remember is that it had a whopping large air cleaner coming up though the what would be a petrol tank on most other bikes.

And yes we will see any one that turn up on Monday. (we have the day off)
And have the day off so Bourbon or 12 will be in line and if anyone wants to give the family some room afterwards they I guess can come around to our place to crash for a beer and may fire up the BBQ if fine.

I have been thinking about telling a story or two about him and may post it, if time.
He was so easy going I do not think anyone would have a bad word about him.

Bruiser

11th August 2007, 12:42

RIP Brendon.

I will be watching intently for the inevitable court report.

Animal

13th August 2007, 16:28

Live on in peace, Brendon.

Macktheknife

13th August 2007, 16:55

RIP Brendon, condolences and sympathy to all those affected by this tragic loss. Ride free and look in on those left behind from time to time.

laRIKin

1st September 2007, 10:28

There is a article about Brendon in The Star news paper on the 31 August
at the top of page A6 "A mans with a huge heart"

And have found out that he was killed by a drunk driver in a 4X4.

surfchick

1st September 2007, 12:17

what a terrible loss - such total needless and wreckless circumstances :(

so sorry for the loss to Brendon's family - hate to think of the family without their man :(

every other road user is so at risk from anyone's decision to drink & drive (my uncle was killed by a drunk driver). totally wish something more could be done about the drinking culture & driving

Kickaha

1st September 2007, 13:32

There is a article about Brendon in The Star news paper on the 31 August
at the top of page A6 "A mans with a huge heart"

can you scan it and post it up?

miSTa

1st September 2007, 15:57

Here you go...

laRIKin

1st September 2007, 16:07

Thanks A for that as we can not scan anymore.

dangerous

1st September 2007, 21:07

And have found out that he was killed by a drunk driver in a 4X4.... shoot the fucking c@#t

Rashika

2nd September 2007, 07:31

fk that makes me wanna cry... currently surviving cancer, only to be taken out by a drinking driving toe-rag with no thought for any other fucker on the road except themselves...
why do we live in a world of such fkn ignorant morons???

lisa.brendon

5th October 2007, 08:33

Everyone knows what an awesome guy Brendon was and someone mentioned something about Brenblade? Not sure if you were refering to the joke about Brenigade - a few years ago trying to come up with a name for his pipes. Anyway just wanted to say alot of people were probably confused about the triumph - the bike belonged to a good friend Maureen Rose, he had borrowed it for the weekend as the v max was about a month away from being on the road.. The guy that hit Brendon was Steve Eric Mason, 31 yrs of chch. He wasn't in a 4x4 or drunk just f#kn dumb! He was speeding , had overtaken 4 other vehicles before he hit Brendon, he pulled out within 6 feet of him. Brendon didn't stand a chance. Now we are left to deal with what the f#kwit has done and try to explain to my son why daddy can't be with us anymore. He is missed so much by so many people but most of all by me and Anton.

scumdog

5th October 2007, 08:52

Sorry to hear about your needless loss, stuff like that makes my blood boil..

And I bet the effwit that cause the crash though he was a cool driver up until then.....cretinous dick!

lisa.brendon

5th October 2007, 08:59

The thing I really don't get is that as clear cut as the case is the dickhead is pleading NOT guilty! Go figure. I hope he rots in hell.

Joni

5th October 2007, 09:02

Im gald you made it onto KB... welcome! :clap:

Im so sorry its under these circumstances.
My condolences for your loss....

Rashika

5th October 2007, 11:07

The thing I really don't get is that as clear cut as the case is the dickhead is pleading NOT guilty! Go figure. I hope he rots in hell.

hes actually pleading NOT guilty? OMG... so now it'll cost us to have to get a conviction, just no thought for you and your family at all, unbelieveable :thud:

this is an echo of Scumdogs condolences from me and mine as well :hug:

nudemetalz

5th October 2007, 11:25

Yes, a guy in car not paying attention took out my father way back in 1991. It also still makes me angry that he also pleaded not guilty in court.

Sorry to hear about your loss, big condolences.

Deviant Esq

5th October 2007, 11:56

Nothing quite so saddening, yet making you so furious at the same time, as hearing about an absolute tragedy like this.

And then the lowlife piece of pond scum pleads not guilty. What the fuck is wrong with fucking maggots like this piece of shit? He killed someone in a head on collision - as good as pulling a gun on him... yet clearly believes he has done nothing wrong, no remorse for killing someone better than 10 of him? If his doing isn't going to be on his conscience for the rest of his life, he doesn't deserve the rest of his life. Lock him up and throw away the key.

SDU

5th October 2007, 12:34

Hi Lisa
thanks for giving us all an update on what is happening with the f##wit that caused the lost off your awesome sweet man. :mad: Lets hope he gets what he deserves.
You'll find the KB crew can be supportive- just ask.

You're right he is missed & not forgotten.
Don't forget we are not far away if you need anything.
Take care hun
Sal

RC1

5th October 2007, 12:50

...............

Conquiztador

5th October 2007, 17:23

The thing I really don't get is that as clear cut as the case is the dickhead is pleading NOT guilty! Go figure. I hope he rots in hell.

THAT says it all. My deepest symphaty to you Lisa and your son Anton.

dangerous

5th October 2007, 18:20

He is missed so much by so many people but no most of all by me and Anton.
Im not sure if we have ever meet but I did know BW, its actually great to see you on KB and dealing with this shit the best you can, thanks for the update, I hope to see the Vmax out on the road again some time, a tribute to BW... and Lisa, welcome to kiwi Biker :hug:

laRIKin

5th October 2007, 18:41

Hi Lisa, Rik here.

Good to hear from you and hope all is going as well as it can.

Sorry I posted the wrong details and thanks for the correction.

I kept hearing the same story and then heard it first hand for a guy that I knew and convinced me and others that he knew the real story, sorry.

As SDU (Sal) said, ring us if you need help as we will and are not far from you.

I also hope that Maureen is also getting over it and does not feel guilty any more.
And of course has a nice new toy to ride.:scooter:

lisa.brendon

6th October 2007, 22:13

Hey no worries, there was another accident the same night and some details got muddled. The cops even got some of it muddled because it had to go between the kaipoi station and chch station. Just wanted people to know what was happening, he had alot of friends and thought it would be respectful to fill them in on whats happening. A big thanks to those who have private messaged me aswell. the support is great and to have people tell me similar situations and how they have come out of it is great. I really do appreciate the advice as it is very hard to know what to do at the moment. Also a reply to "dangerous" yes the V-Max will be completed ! It was his baby and it was almost complete after an o ring went and it leaned it out. I will defineately have to get it completed there is no way I can leave it sitting in parts, that would be a sad memory.

howdamnhard

6th October 2007, 22:47

My condolences to you and your family during these sad times.I kinda know what your going through as I lost my dad 3 days ago.If you want to talk just let me know.I feel for you as I have little kids of my own and would hate for them to grow up without a father.Praying for you and your family.

Everyone knows what an awesome guy Brendon was and someone mentioned something about Brenblade? Not sure if you were refering to the joke about Brenigade - a few years ago trying to come up with a name for his pipes. Anyway just wanted to say alot of people were probably confused about the triumph - the bike belonged to a good friend Maureen Rose, he had borrowed it for the weekend as the v max was about a month away from being on the road.. The guy that hit Brendon was Steve Eric Mason, 31 yrs of chch. He wasn't in a 4x4 or drunk just f#kn dumb! He was speeding , had overtaken 4 other vehicles before he hit Brendon, he pulled out within 6 feet of him. Brendon didn't stand a chance. Now we are left to deal with what the f#kwit has done and try to explain to my son why daddy can't be with us anymore. He is missed so much by so many people but no most of all by me and Anton.

lisa.brendon

17th October 2007, 19:34

laRIKin

17th October 2007, 19:56

Sorry to hear that it is going to be a drawn out affair.

Chin up he will get his just deserts in the end.
The system is just slow and will just grind along, but will get there in the end.

chanceyy

17th October 2007, 19:58

One week today to the predeposition hearing. The dickheads lawyer has indicated to police that he will plead not guilty again and take it to trial. All I can say is that surely if he fcking around like this and no remorse he must be up for max sentance. If he is all the pissing around will be worth it cos if he gets max sentance he will have all day everyday to start thinking about feeling guilty, and if he has to do his thinking while playing someones bitch then all the better.

Lisa so sorry for your loss & even more sorry you are being dragged through even more hell with a trial etc

:hug: good to see you made it here, just know that we all feel for your situation & are here when you need to vent

we can only hope that justice will prevail & max sentence means exactly that

keep us posted

lisa.brendon

19th October 2007, 23:52

chanceyy

20th October 2007, 06:14

HI, had some emails asking why he is pleading not guilty. Thought I' let ya's know. He has previous driving convictions so this automatically makes it a more serious charge and reflects on sentancing. He has been charged with careless aggrivated (speeding) driving causing death and careless aggrivated driving causing injury. He is trying to reduce the charge to careless driving causing death. The difference being that careless driving only has 3 months prison and careless aggrivated has 3 years prison. However the cops have a solid case very clear cut lots of witnesses, so cops said he won't get the charges reduced but he will get a harder sentance cos he just proving he doen't give a flying fck about what he did, he just doesn't want to do time. He is just a spineless piece of shit!

Hi Lisa .. your right he is a spineless piece of shit,

it would be great if he would take personal responsibility for his actions & the result of those actions.. ohh but wait we are now living in a no blame no responsibility society .. lets hope the crowns case is tight, & the bastard gets everything coming to him, & more than 3 yrs in jail ( i reckon since he is pleading not guilty, if he is found guilty they should double the sentence for wasting everyones time, and causing his victims family even more pain and anguish)

lisa.brendon

23rd October 2007, 22:50

scumdog

24th October 2007, 07:14

Under what grounds did he get the case transferred?
My understanding is that a case can only get transferred if the person being charged pleads guilty.

But then I don't know everything.

imdying

24th October 2007, 08:57

I have met a few of the judges... some of them ride bikes, at least one even rides a bike to work. With a bit of luck he'll stomp this little faggot in the throat a few times... give him a nice holiday with 'Bubba'.

Mikkel

24th October 2007, 10:45

I'm terribly sorry to hear of your loss Lisa. I'm new to this place and hadn't seen this thread before... I hope the "defendant" shall receive a just sentence - but I do believe that the british commonwealth unfortunately abolished the half-hanged and quartered sentence a couple of years back :(

These hearings are public aren't they?

Perhaps a few people in leathers amongst the audience wouldn't be a bad idea... just a thought.

SDU

24th October 2007, 16:33

Well what do ya know the spineless fck backed out again. The Pre-Deposition didn't happen, instead he has put through to have it transfered from the Rangiora court to the Christchurch court. We are under the impression that he is trying his luck for a easier judge. The case will be at Christchurch court this Friday between 10am and 1pm with what we expect will be a guilty plea this time as he had to indicate that to get the transfer. I don't know if he will be sentanced then though, I expect they will set another date. Heres hoping for max sentance inside not home detention.

These hearings are public aren't they?

Perhaps a few people in leathers amongst the audience wouldn't be a bad idea... just a thought.

I'll try to be there!

I have met a few of the judges... some of them ride bikes, at least one even rides a bike to work. With a bit of luck he'll stomp this little faggot in the throat a few times... give him a nice holiday with 'Bubba'.

Lets Hope

lisa.brendon

24th October 2007, 19:04

Hi, it is open to anyone wanting to go,but it is expected to be very short appearance this time round. The actual sentancing won't be done at the same time, they will set another date for this as there is alot to be put forward in the pre sentance report. Although saying that theres nothing wrong with putting the shits up him till then, after all a few leathers seeing who he is when he knows he's still gotta walk round town till the sentancing - might make him think a little harder aye.

Mikkel

24th October 2007, 21:46

I would go myself, but I doubt I'll be looking too menacing wearing my windstopper fleece and my slightly too long short haircut...
But Lisa you did read my mind - while I'm not for vigilante action, the possibility of it happening might bring about an uncommon spell of conscience.

lisa.brendon

25th October 2007, 22:00

To true. And I don't want anyone to take me the wrong way on that. I want him to make it to prison in one piece, the hospital wing wouldn't quite have the same effect as the actual prison. And "Bubba" is more likely to to visit his cell than his hospital bed! However once he's done his time he's fair game.

lisa.brendon

26th October 2007, 18:29

Well he finally appeared and stopped dicking us around. He pleaded guilty to careless aggrivated driving causing death and careless aggrivated driving causing injury. He will appear on the 12th December at 2.15pm at Christchurch Court for sentancing. I was sitting right where he had to walk past and was shaking like a leaf, took alot not to get up and wack him one. Luckily he was called early, don't know if I could have stopped myself if I had to wait for ages before he got called, just with all the tension building. Thanks SDU for coming along it was good to catch up. There was eight of us there, up front of the court while he sat alone at the back. He saw us all there for each other while his one mate waited outside. It is good that things are finally underway.

dangerous

26th October 2007, 18:45

He pleaded guilty to careless aggrivated driving causing death and careless aggrivated driving causing injury.

shaking like a leaf

How can he be done for death AND injury? was there more than Brendon involved?

I bet he was shaking... corect me if Im wrong but this was a mistake on his behalf aye... ie: this guy pulled out cos he didnt see Brendon aye? or did he do it delibratly?

SDU

27th October 2007, 12:29

It was good to catch up with you Lisa & meet the gals too & thanks for the coffee! :hug:

Next time I'll have to shout you a bourbon in a celebration of a descent sentence.

lisa.brendon

27th October 2007, 20:30

In regards to the 2 charges, he is being done for injuring his own passenger aswell (a 19yr old male). What actually happened when he pulled out was that he indicated and looked, thought he had time to pass, then his passenger who was txt on cell phone recieved a txt and steve directed his attention to the txt and the passenger, at this point he had been indicating for approx 30 sec, but he didn't take another look before pulling out to pass the vehicle in front, he simply put his foot down and pulled out quickly to complete the manuvure. He had overtaken 4 other vehicles this was the 5th vehicle he overtook in the immediate row of traffic. So I guess it depends what way you want to take it, deliberate or mistake I think it just stupidity of thinking he was cool, seems to be abit of an adrenalin junky. Fact is he has previous court appearances for his driving and it seems it was just a matter of time before he killed someone. By the way I was the one that was shaking!it is nerve wrecking being so close to the person that has killed someone you love. He had a quick glance at me a couple of times but then looked away. He didn't seem fidgety or shaky at all.

Rashika

28th October 2007, 07:30

I simply cant even imagine the feelings that must have been going thru your mind at the courthouse... I'm sooo glad he did decided to plead guilty, altho it doesn't sound like he has the maturity to really try to deal with his actions by at least trying to own up to it to you.
Everytime I get on the bike, and see my partner and friends do the same, I know there is a possibilty that we may not make it home, thru either ours or someone elses actions. Its a risk we take, and at times it still scares me, but I figure that is a good thing, keeps me alert... and I dont think I could ever not ride. I doubt if many car drivers have these thoughts even tho a lot of them dont make it home either.
Cant do much about a complete fkn tosser like this bloke, I'm guessing he'll go to jail? maybe something will get thru there, who knows... at the very least he wont be driving for a long time, one less ignorant driver out there.
I so feel for you Lisa, words cant really express it...

Dodger

28th October 2007, 07:38

.............

lisa.brendon

2nd December 2007, 21:20

Quick update - 10 days to go till court case. The restorative justice meeting I requested has been declined by steve mason, saying that he wants to get the court case out the way first. Well I'm glad he can just get it out of the way because it seems noone else can do it so simply! Anyway obviously only gives a shit about his own situation. Getting nervous about court, some other cases that have come up lately don't seem to have been given much in the way of penalty. Hopefully won't be the same for this one.

SDU

3rd December 2007, 15:23

Hi Lisa
I've heard that the judge usually is tough but fair, so hopefully this guy will get his, if not through court, Karma will get him one way or another!

Will see you at court on the 12th.
I hope to get away from work early, but if I can't I'll be a bit late but hope to be there before its all over.

huck farley

4th December 2007, 07:35

R.I.P. Brendon. Our brother Triumph rider. You will be sadly missed by us all in the pack..

candor

4th December 2007, 12:39

Hi Lisa, I just caught the tail end of this thread and don't know the story but very sorry for what you're going through. The court bits are real stressful.

About the restorative justice. In cases like this the system is actually quite against any meeting till after sentencing - that likely includes the prosecutor and the offenders lawyer.

It's often happened that the offender influences the victim to ask for a soft sentence - later regretted. The fact they have even entered into RJ can also be used to whittle down the sentence, even if they were not decent to ya'.

Defence lawyers also fear the offender will mess up - getting your back up so your impact statement gets more damning. If RJ is wanted a request for it after sentencing may be worth it. Also I hope you have got yourself on the serious victims register - you have to ask the Police to organise that, it sometimes gets missed.

This means you get a say at parole hearings (if any) and to get to know developments. Sentences for these killings are all over the place - mad!
Anything from 100 hours community service to 6 years jail (that's killing 2). It's classed non violent so it's out in a third. The standard would be about 6 months served, with priors I think. Though they are trying to get home detention to be the new way.

lisa.brendon

4th December 2007, 22:56

The RJ was requested to be done after sentancing, so that is probably why he declined - It wouldn't have helped his sentance! I havn't heard of the serious victims register but I will ask about it. Its hard to think how the sentancing will go but it's good to get info like this. It all helps the mental prep to get an idea of what to expect. Cheers to SDU aswell, it will be good to see you in court. The support means alot. Remember 2.15 on the 12th. They have said they will prioritise the case so we arn't kept waiting so should be the first or second case up. Its quite a sickening feeling really, especially when wee Anton has been missing him so much lately. He goes as high as he can on his swing and says he is going to go really high, up to the sky and bring daddy back down. He sings twinkle twinkle little star for daddy and carries around his wee photo album. His preschool xmas concert is the day after court, so that will be hard for both of us knowing Brendon should be there.

dangerous

5th December 2007, 04:57

*hugs for Anton*

imdying

5th December 2007, 06:54

Cheers to SDU aswell, it will be good to see you in court. The support means alot. Remember 2.15 on the 12th.Do you know which court? District Court 1?

SDU

5th December 2007, 10:36

:hug: for you & Anton -Brendon's heart will be with you at the concert & he'll be there to catch you both when it's time

I finish work at 2 so I'll be cutting it a bit fine but I'll be there.

It is the main CHCH court building. Courtroom 1 (unless they have changed it) @ 2:15 on Wednes the 12th Dec.

lisa.brendon

7th December 2007, 23:43

Yip court 1, 2.15pm on Wed 12th. Just had email from restorative justice, Mason has said it is "likely" he will do a meeting, I think it is more "likely" he just said that for the sake of the senatancing. But givin the way he has screwed things around I'm sure the judge will see that.

lisa.brendon

11th December 2007, 23:29

COURT DELAYED. MASON WILL NOT BE APPEARING ON 12TH

Well what do ya know ....the little fck has stalled the courts again! This time they left it till late today to put in to apply for home detention whichmeans they have to gather information in relation to it. So now I have no idea when the case will be but some how can't see it being before xmas and to really fck things up.... Brendons internment is on Sunday. I planned it for after court so that the final process and memory would be about Brendon and laying him to rest. Now we either have to cancel his Internment or go ahead and continue the fight. What a great final memory aye. He such a fkn little tosser, perfect candidate for a capping! Appoligies to those who had already arrange time of work etc to be there.

dangerous

12th December 2007, 04:55

Well at the end of the day hes only prolonging his own agony, try to put it aside for now and continue with the internment (what is that anyway) Id try not to let the wee fuk upset you any more... you need to address more important shit, wee fuks life will catch up with him soon enuff.

imdying

12th December 2007, 06:28

Fear not, the courts might take a while, but they're like elephants...

lisa.brendon

12th December 2007, 22:01

Well I din't think they could fck it up anymore than what they did....But.... They have set the date for Christmas Eve. I mean come on, we have a little 3 yr old who already misses his daddy, can't he atleast try to enjoy what is left of christmas. As it is we have no family here and need to travel south so Anton can have christmas with his cousins, it's really gonna screw things up for him. Its not fair a 3 yr old should have to miss christmas because of the same fckwit that stole his daddy from him! I am doing my best to try to get it changed but the victim advisors have been total arseholes about it. I have gone back through the kiapoi cops, they were really good so hoping I might get more help through them and the police prosecuter.

By the way the Internment is Laying him to rest. At the moment I have his ashes here at home, so on sunday we will have a gathering at the crematorium and unvail the headstone. I will place Brendon to rest in the earth behind the headstone. Have music going, say a few words release balloons etc and then we will go down to the park for a picnic and a play with the kids. Just a nice way to acknowledge him, lay him to rest and for people to know they can go there to pay there respects.

chanceyy

12th December 2007, 22:10

that is really tough lisa .. I feel for you & the wee man .. xmas can be such a tough time without that crap to deal with as well

words kinda fail me and sorry just does not seem enough

I hope sunday is kind to you with weather, that will not be an easy day either, just put the court case to one side to have that day to remember Brendon

:grouphug:

dangerous

13th December 2007, 05:29

By the way the Internment is Laying him to rest. At the moment I have his ashes here at home, so on sunday we will have a gathering at the crematorium and unvail the headstone. I will place Brendon to rest in the earth behind the headstone. Have music going, say a few words release balloons etc and then we will go down to the park for a picnic and a play with the kids. Just a nice way to acknowledge him, lay him to rest and for people to know they can go there to pay there respects.
May I come? (if I can get out of a job I need to do) Im a mate of SDU and LeMans so if they are going Id hang out with them. :scooter:

laRIKin

13th December 2007, 17:07

Yes it is a real piss-A.

The little turd will get his soon enough, trust me.

And if it is delayed until to the 24th more of us can turn up and blow kisses at him.

It will be a postponement he may well just regret having.

Im a mate of SDU and LeMans so if they are going Id hang out with them. :scooter:

On a lighter note.
Are we?? And. Do we have to???:devil2::Pokey:

Of course you can mate.

dangerous

13th December 2007, 17:12

On a lighter note.
Are we?? And. Do we have to???:devil2::Pokey:

Well, as Im no longer hanging out of ya sister... I mean hanging out with ya sister and havent for several years yet I still hang around you guys (not out of you guys) must mean something... OH i know, its the bike thing... yeah thats what it will be :scooter:

lisa.brendon

13th December 2007, 22:49

Yes,dangerous, you are most welcome to come. Hopefully the weather will improve and it will be a nice day to pay our respects and lay Brendon to rest. Just get the details off SDU. See you there.

SDU

17th December 2007, 10:38

Sunday was perfect. It was a beautiful ceremony fitting an beaut man.
Thank you for sharing it with us Lisa.:hug:

lisa.brendon

17th December 2007, 23:24

It was a nice day, really hard but nice. It was nice to see the bikes there, I knew with the kids going most people would'nt bring them, so it was really cool to see you guys on the bikes. Brendon would be pleased. Anton and me went back down afterwards and just sat with him, it feels nice to be there with him.

For any of you that know Brendon and would like to go down some time he is now resting at the
Woodlawn Crematorium, Linwood Ave, CHCH. If you take the entrance on linwood ave left of the big
wooden sign, follow the path up to the end where it crosses the next path and Brendon is second on
the left. It is close to the entrance, he has the hills on one side, he can hear the bikes ride down linwood ave and his mum is resting a short distance accross from him.

Hopefully will know in the morning what is happening over the court date. I have tried to move it from xmas eve. Masons lawyer refuses to do it after xmas - during xmas there is more chance of home detention. So they are trying to do it on friday. Not that they were to helpful in the beginning, but they obviously realise the situation now and they are doing their best to get things through for friday. It looks like all the reports will be ready, they just have to confirm that they have a judge that can do it that day. Will post the details soon as I know.

lisa.brendon

19th December 2007, 21:31

:bash:
Sentancing has been confirmed. This Friday 21 Dec, 2.15pm, Court 2.

SDU

20th December 2007, 10:42

:bash:
Sentancing has been confirmed. This Friday 21 Dec, 2.15pm, Court 2.

Will see you there

laRIKin

20th December 2007, 17:38

:bash:
Sentancing has been confirmed. This Friday 21 Dec, 2.15pm, Court 2.

Will see you there

I will be their in spirit.
I hope it all goes well and he gets his.

Rashika

21st December 2007, 06:18

I will be their in spirit.
I hope it all goes well and he gets his.

me too... on both counts. Doubt If I would be able to get away from work today, so my thoughts are with you

u4ea

21st December 2007, 06:28

Stay strong today Lisa.Will be a tough day for you.My thoughts are comin your way

RIP Brendan

lisa.brendon

22nd December 2007, 22:34

Thanks to everyone who turned up a court the support was great. Unfortunately I didn't cope very well and was bundled off quickley. Hence the late post of the out come. The judge actually addressed both myself and maureen (close friend who owned the Rocket) and gave us the oppotunity to speak to him. I couldn't cos I was already a blubbering wreck but I was so pleased Maus did. She actually had abit of a go at Masons lawyer, who snapped back at her! But in the end the sentance, which I just can't get my head around, was - 3 months home detention, 18 months loss of licence to be resat with defensive driving course, 150 hours comunity Service and $10k reparation to be paid off. The 3 months home detention is unbelieveable in my book, especially when this is the second time he has been up on charges of aggrivated driving. I must admit that atleast this time he did look as though it was effecting him, he looked at me and maus a few times, and it looked as though he was trying not to cry. That atleast means something.

candor

22nd December 2007, 22:56

So sorry. It's crazy imo - HD! Hoping the fact the court date is over and done is some relief.

ynot slow

23rd December 2007, 08:21

WTF,if he had done a home invassion he would get more of a sentance,just finished reading this whole thread,man am I fucked off,was thinking of going for a ride,will wait till I cool off.

As for what the turd has put you through,I hate the idea of vigilante justice,but hope he gets some,with home detention I hope he is forced to watch for 18 hours replays of shorty st and coro st,along with music of billy ray cyrus.

And for fucks sake he had cancer treatment last year,I know how that stuffs the family around,get passed that hickup and try to rebuild your life,look to get a clearance in 5 years seems a long time at beginning,then for this shit to happen,words fail me.

YellowDog

23rd December 2007, 09:06

I have just read this very moving thread. Very sorry to heard of such sadness and injustice in so many ways.

Life must go on and I wish all of those affected the very best for the future.

lisa.brendon

27th December 2007, 23:05

Maurs has been checking out a couple of bikes, so hopefully she will find one. The one she wants won't be out until December 08, that new triumph triple. But she is trying to get something else to ride in the mean time. It's gotta be hard with all this good weather and no bloody bike, let alone the gap in the garage where her rocket 111 should be.:scooter:

laRIKin

28th December 2007, 06:38

I'm going for a test ride with Maurs on the 3rd of January.
She was thinking about 3 bikes and now has it down to one.
Which she did a short test ride on and seemed to like.
I'm going with her on another bike that she did like and take her friend on it, as it is a better two up bike than mine.
So she can ride either or both solo and take a pillion when she wants.

So it is possible she may have a new bike soon.:2thumbsup:scooter:

lisa.brendon

28th December 2007, 23:53

Yeah she mentioned the 3rd. Her and jaine thought it was really nice of you to go with them the other day, they really appreciated it. I think she seemed a little unsure about the guzzi cos its only an 1100 but I imagine she'll sus that out when she can take it for a better ride. I hope it all works out, it will be good to see her back on the road. She took a wee rocket 111 model down to the crem for Brendon on xmas day, so sweet aye.

cynna

29th December 2007, 03:07

that sentence is a bit of a joke

lisa.brendon

4th January 2008, 23:52

Yeah it's pathetic aye. Especially when it's his second aggrivated driving charge! :angry2:They should be ringing me about the restorative meeting next week so that will be interesting, not sure what to expect yet. Maurs seemed to like that Guzzi she took out with lemans. Hopefully she will have bike soon.:2thumbsup

lisa.brendon

10th January 2008, 22:42

:ride:Maurs has new wheels! She dropped round on her new triumph tonight, it arrived in chch this morning. Real nice, even though it's just a fill in till the new triumph comes out at end of year. Think she will be very happy being back on two wheels instead of four!

As for the dickhead that started all this - I assume hes still in the same location as before the sentancing, in which case everyone can feel free to test their engines down Waller Terrace!:Playnice:

dangerous

11th January 2008, 09:07

lisa.brendon

11th January 2008, 22:14

It's a Triumph America, 96 I think. Show room condition, dark green - nice. Needs a sissy bar - needs to beable to tie on her laptop for work! and has had new set of pipes but hasn't been tuned properly to them so she's having a tinker this weekend to get it all up to standard. As for a number - sure do! Its an apartment block, so can't miss it. apartment 12 number 41 waller tce.:niceone:

SDU

12th January 2008, 14:24

:ride:Maurs has new wheels! She dropped round on her new triumph tonight, it arrived in chch this morning. Real nice, even though it's just a fill in till the new triumph comes out at end of year. Think she will be very happy being back on two wheels instead of four!

The pics of her bike look great! Think it's suits her, can't wait to meet her new toy on a ride soon.

As for the dickhead that started all this - I assume hes still in the same location as before the sentancing, in which case everyone can feel free to test their engines down Waller Terrace!:Playnice:

I must get some louder pipes!

SDU

12th January 2008, 14:29

Go Maurs, what she get?
And do ya have a number? we will get all of KB to park outside quitly and just stare

Could always cruise by on a wednes ride.:devil2:

http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/christchurch/christchurch+central/waller+terrace/41/

Hey peoples I don't condone violence besides thats illegal
but
riding by will remind him of what he has done.

SDU

13th January 2008, 08:56

They should be ringing me about the restorative meeting next week so that will be interesting, not sure what to expect yet.

Are the meetings going to be happening soon?

bucket boy

13th January 2008, 09:26

makes you wonder how judge can sit there thinking that is a fair sentence if it was his family bet ya it would be different

lisa.brendon

13th January 2008, 22:48

The meeting is getting sorted now. Just trying to get a date for maurs and myself to meet with the people from restorative justice, there is two of them and maurs and myself so it is a matter of getting a date that suits all of us. Then he will meet with them, getting a date for that won't be a problem cos he aint going anywhere! then we get to do the meeting with Mason. So as soon as we get that sused it will be happening, hopefully in the next few weeks.
And I must add to SDUs comment - Ride by don't knock on the front door! As much as I feel like hurting him that wouldn't make it right. Brendon wasn't a violent person and he wouldn't want us to take that sort of stand. But the sound of a bike rumbling by would stick in his mind, make him think about what he's done. The sentance he got from the court won't teach him anything but a few mental reminders of that night and who was on the road might. Cheers.:Playnice:

lisa.brendon

22nd January 2008, 23:18

dangerous

23rd January 2008, 05:08

The first part of the meeting is underway. Me and Maurs meet with the people from restorative justice on sunday 27th to discuss the process and what to expect when we meet Mason. Then we will set a date to meet him providing he still agrees to go through with it.:bash:

Sorry Im not up with what 'restorative justice' is? mason is the guy that drove the car?
If so why do you want to meet with him?

Genestho

23rd January 2008, 09:08

Im sorry for your loss, I hadnt come accross this thread before. Very sad and reminds me of my situation with my oldest son, heartbreaking.
Im not going to give you any of the cliches, and Im not going to ask if your ok. I know its still raw and still so early.

I think your a brave woman looking into restorative justice, If I had that chance (the driver is dead thank goodness, Universal Justice rocks.) - I know Id have smashed the culprit into smitherines, and I make no bones about it, and Id have every right to feel that way. To hell with PC, PC has come about because people dont take the blame or responsibilty for their own actions anymore.

Ive just read the sentence handed out, sickening.
Such is the extent of NZ Justice, not good enough.
I think the laws are there but not maximised, theres no examples made and crims get to skip off scot free after taking someones life.
If you ever need anything. Dont be afraid to sing out mate, dont know what I can do, or how I can help. But I am here too. I know what your going through.
The only thing I can say right now is we know other people are grieving losses too, and somehow people survive it, but always living with it.
Doesnt make it any easier.
Looks like you have alot of support here, and I have met a lovely bunch of ratbags myself here. Good bunch.

PS Dangerous, thanks for your pm, when the topic comes up over there, I'll put my three cents worth in, thankyou for the invite.
Cheers

SDU

23rd January 2008, 15:57

Sorry Im not up with what 'restorative justice' is? mason is the guy that drove the car?
If so why do you want to meet with him?

Mason is the f###er that drove the car. Restorative justice is a chance to for victims to talk face to face with the perp without lawyers involved.
It is controlled too much by the perps & no-one has to do it.
Would be nice to set up a meeting with the PM & find out why the judges get away with dishing out such piss poor sentences.:angry2:

For some people it's a chance to start the healing process by just letting the assholes know the pain they have caused. :angry2: Be Hard not to :bash: It takes a lot of guts to go to a meeting & not :ar15: the f###ker

Only Lisa can tell you her reasons for going through this step but I wish her all the best.

SDU

23rd January 2008, 16:07

The first part of the meeting is underway. Me and Maurs meet with the people from restorative justice on sunday 27th to discuss the process and what to expect when we meet Mason. Then we will set a date to meet him providing he still agrees to go through with it.:bash:

He was looking scared when the judge mentioned the R.J meetings.wouldn't surprise me if he tries to squirm out of it. He's gutless:angry2: but I do hope you get your chance.
All the best for them.
take care hun

lisa.brendon

23rd January 2008, 23:22

Yeah the whole sentance thing and saying that NZ law isn't up to par with other countries is tru in some respects, but in reality its a cop out. :oi-grr: They don't use the scale within each penalty, for example this guy Mason has another record of aggrivated driving so this was his second time up. Under the both charges, the maximum sentance on each count was 3 years prison, yet he got a total of 3 months at home! :angry2:Where is the lesson in that? He obviously didn't learn the first time so why not make use of the max sentancing. I mean he fckn killed someone and he gets to sleep in for the next 3 months and have his mates over for a fkn BBQ! :brick:Well fck is it any wonder the reoffending rates and road deaths are so high, wheres the deterent?

Anyways that is why I want to do the Restorative Justice Meeting. As much as I'd like to kill the little fcker, that would mean giving him the easy way out. This way I get to ensure he lives with what he did everyday! I want to do the meeting to make sure he understands fully what he has done to Brendon and our family. At this point he only understands the legal ramifications. I want to make sure he sees Brendons face and personality and that he sees our little boy, and Knows what he stole from him. I want to make sure he knows the impact he has caused in our family that it fcks us for the rest of our lives. I want to hear from him that he gets it, that he will see Brendons' and Antons' face everyday, that he will never forget and that he will never make a stupid decision like that again and hurt anyone elses family. He never learnt the first time he drove like an idiot but I sure as hell want to make sure he learns this time. On the otherside of that to know that he gets it, it will also help us to move forward. We can't change what has happened and we will never forgive and we will never forget but atleast we will know it wasn't in vain.:bash::devil2:

lisa.brendon

28th January 2008, 23:55

DATE SET FOR RESTORATIVE MEETING - 6PM 11 FEB.

We meet with the people running the meeting yesterday to go over what will happen at the meeting and to go ova any particulars of what we want done and what our intentions are. Mason will have Nicolas Boath with him - his passenger that night. There seems to be abit of confustion about him, everything up to this point states he is 19yrs but the restorative people met him and said he is about 30, so not sure but guess we will find out. Also recieved the police Investigation report the other day. I am going to take it to the meeting, I know he was there at the time but he would have been in shock and the report has all the facts aswell as photos taken that night. Thought it might be a good reminder for him. Sure as hell was a freak out moment for me so hope it will have an effect on him. Will also take photos of brendon and anton so that he has faces that relate to what he has done, to realise we are people not just a situation. I must say it is gonna be so hard, I know I have to keep my cool if I want to achieve anything by doing this but in all honesty I still don't know if I can walk in the room without bashing him. They estimate the meeting to be about an hour or hour and a half, but said it can take as long as it needs. Its not uncommon to still be there two hours later. I just can't guarantee I can restrain myself and that thought scares me a little. I have had so much anger that to be so close ....I jst don't know. I hope it will work out as there is a purpose for the meeting and I hope we can come out with some sort of result.:Pokey:

dangerous

29th January 2008, 05:07

shit girl... good luck, kinda somewhat brave of ya, dont know if Id do something like that in your position... all the best.

Genestho

29th January 2008, 09:37

I guess at the end of the day you have to remember why your there, to show him your faces, and make sure he never forgets.

You'll have to muster every shred of pride and dignity and strength you possess, and you know the "uniforms" wont let you go nuts on him anyway.

This is your one shot at this, to make him feel both yours and your sons pain.

Best thing I ever did was buy myself a Boxing Bag, and I have other ways of ridding (ridding?) anger involving a smash box containing old or stuffed crockery and/or old household items that in the old days wouldve gone to Trade Me or the Sallies, and pruning trees and nasty cactuses with axes and OSH approved safety goggles ..haha.
Great help, Better out than in.

I can only imagine how hard it will be on your R.J journey mate, thoughts are with you girl.

SDU

29th January 2008, 10:31

Dig deep Lisa & keep on doing what you are doing to make it through the day. Full respect to you for trying. All you can do is your best. As Guzzi widow said why you are there. She has some great advice.
Thinking of you.

karla

29th January 2008, 12:58

.
Best thing I ever did was buy myself a Boxing Bag ... <snip>

The anger that came with the grief after losing my father (result of an accident) was all encompassing for me; at times I thought it would drive me over the edge. I used to stand in the bathroom, holding the towel and twisting it until I couldn't twist it anymore, imagining that I was wringing someone's neck. I felt pretty stupid at first, but it became like a sanctuary after a time.

In my case I had no one I could blame, and I couldn't be angry at my father. I can only imagine how hard it must be to know that someone is directly responsible because of their actions.

I'm sure that through all this your strength will grow Lisa, for yourself, your children and your lost mate. Kia kaha ~

lisa.brendon

29th January 2008, 23:00

Thanx, it's good to read all of this and to know how much support is out there. It's been a hard day, it's our anniversary today, 8 years.:crybaby: with everything happening around us with the courts and the meeting it is good to look back at the good times and remember when we first got togeather. The first thing we did after we were introduced was to hook up for a ride to Akaroa on the v max. We had alot of good rides over the years, not so many of late as the v max is in parts after it blew an o ring and leaned out, did the valves. Brendon was almost ready to bang it back togeather and we were looking forward to heading over to the greymouth street race. Anyway, I'll post any updates with the meeting. It sounds pretty set to happen, I don't think he will back out at this point.

lisa.brendon

12th February 2008, 21:03

HOLY FCK! So tense going into the meeting! Overall it actually went well. I am glad we did it. We had to sign a confidentiality thing so can't state anything as such but i see no reason not to say my view and feelings on it. When he first walked in my heart stopped and lungs froze. We sat at the table them one side us the other and before we could start Mason started straight up with an apology. when we went to start the meeting I actually walked out, I needed a minute to get my head adjusted and make my lungs work again! But once I came back and things kicked off, the longer we sat there the less tense - Less but still fkn nerve wrecking! we got a good overview of everything and learnt abit more about what hapened that night. It seems that his lawyer has never completely informed him during this process with the courts and everything. I really can see that he has been lead by his lawyer and all I can say on that would be that the lawyer must be on a good wicket! But I could see he was genuine about the impact it has had on him, he spoke very carefully and slowly almost as though if he didn't force the calm exterior, if he let his guard down he would break down. I gave him a folder with family pictures and Brendon racing, pictures of the coffin and of Brendon in the coffin in our bedroom (taken for Antons sake when he's older) photos taken at the accident scene and the newspaper clipping, the headstone and the rocket and Maurs. I also wrote up about what the events were that night for us and how things have effected us now. He went through it infront of us and you could see he took note of who brendon was and listened to what we said in regards to who he was. His facial expressions showed it did effect him and when he saw the pics of Brendon in the coffin his eyes went like saucers. He did keep hold of the folder so I imagine he will look through it again.There was one point where I thought the meeting was gonna fall apart. I thought he was gonna start being a wanker but after a short break and me an maurs having a more detailed discussion between the mediators and him we got it back on track. In the end that seemed to come down to his lawyer not fully informing him again, as we had been informed his lawyer was taking it back to court. However since talking at the meeting this won't be happening. Thank Fck! Well He's still a fckwitt but I do feel less angry, and I have the knowledge that he does understand what he has done now, that he acknowledges our family and knows who he killed. Knowing that he sees the photos and hears the words it feels more certain that he will live with it. I guess it makes me a little less angry. It brings a little bit of closure.

shafty

12th February 2008, 21:08

Congrats for having the guts Girl, much respect.

chanceyy

12th February 2008, 21:16

You have shown so much class & courage Lisa .. kudos to you .. :hug: hopefully this will provide the closure you need and it will impact him for the rest of his life .. also being able to see him for yourself & his reactions you know what you know & feel about the meeting .. no one can take that away from you and it has empowered you & is going to help with the healing process

know that Brendon is watching over you - as you lose your anger you can focus on the good times you shared & keep that memory alive for your son ..

Rashika

13th February 2008, 04:02

I'm glad the meeting went well Lisa, at least it sounds like you were able to get your feelings across and that is a huge step for you guys. I guess we can see that he is human and as such makes mistakes... stupid, ignorant, pathetic mistakes but still mistakes.
I really hope it does settle into his head, and maybe the world might just become a slightly better place cos you had the guts to do this. All the best :hug:

Paul in NZ

13th February 2008, 11:34

Jesus wept - that was both just so hard to read and yet a privilage to do so. I cannot imagine what living it must be like. You have done an amazing thing and I'm genuinely impressed. Well done.

Nasty

13th February 2008, 12:17

Well done ... the thing is now he knows he can't say he doesn't. He has the chance to understand the impact and not make the same choices in the future. I admire your strength.

SDU

13th February 2008, 15:33

I am so grateful that the meeting went as you hoped & he did show remorse & interest in Brendon and those he has ripped him away from.
One step forward on your journey, Thank you for sharing with us Lisa.

Genestho

13th February 2008, 17:15

Well done girl! And thanks for sharing your story. Remember if you need anything...

lisa.brendon

22nd February 2008, 17:22

Thanks to everyone for their support its been good to hear from everyone on the thread and private messages. I am glad I was able to let everyone know what was going on as I know some of you knew brendon personally. I have printed this thread -all 70 odd pages! As I thought it would be nice to keep and for Anton to read later on. If there is any messages you would like to leave for Anton for the future feel free and I will print them off as well. :grouphug:

dangerous

15th July 2008, 06:34

Hey Lisa, hows winter treating ya? I have had a couple of p/m's asking how ya doing these days but due to the time of the year ie: hibernation season I havent cought up with any of your and Brendans mates, so... on behalf of those asking, hows it going?

laRIKin

8th August 2008, 18:48

One year today at 7:30pm:bye:

dangerous

8th August 2008, 19:16

One year today at 7:30pm:bye:

In 15mins I will give this all a thought, ie: friends, family, riding, life etc... ohh and have :apint:

laRIKin

8th August 2008, 22:34

We rode passed the crash site tonight.
Yes rode a bike in this weather as it seemed to be the right thing to do and dropped in to see his partner and have a Bourbon for old time sake.

Weird to think what happened a year ago.
So dark he would not of seen it until it was far to late.

And D you are right over the years I have said good bye to far to many friends.

Ehgreiz

9th August 2008, 23:50

rest in peace, my best wishes go to the family :(

just saw this article today - new to this community, my best wishes on this sad sad anniversary

fizbin

10th August 2008, 09:22

RIP............
sorry to see another brother killed in this way:argh:

lisa.brendon

15th August 2008, 21:13

Hi, It's odd to think it has been a year. Went for a ride with some mates on the anniversary. It was really hard.....and really cold! But it was nice to do it again, I have been to screwed up to get out for a ride, but I'm back on my feet for the most part and it felt good being back on a bike. It wasn't the v max but it was a good ride. We went back to the accident site, left a bourbon for him. Really hard. Could see it all in my head as I have seen photos police took that night and when I went out there after the accident the blood was stil on the road, so I found my mind searching for the things I saw when I went there the first time. We stopped at woodend to dry off before deciding we should still carry on to Greta Valley. Very cold but it was great to talk by the roaring fire. Brendon would have enjoyed it. We were laughing how Brendon had heated handlebars on the v max but always forgot to turn them on until he was coming up to breezes road (2min from home!) Then after the cold day out we got home at 4.30pm and coming up breezes road, you guessed it, the sun came out!
Thanks lemans n sdu for droping in it was good to see you both and thanks for the info on the RGV, hopefully I will get it there and get the V Max completed to. It's to hard to go through the garage yet but hopefully I will do it when summer arrives and by then will have found someone to work on it.