This is totally repugnant

[Robert Taylor]

Just this past week I supplied a set of front fork emulators to one of my service agents, for an SV650.

Part of the modification procedure when fitting emulators is to remove the internal damper rods and to overdrill the original damping holes ( and perhaps add more ) so that damping is no longer controlled in that way, the fitted emulator does so.

So the service agent removes the damper rods and hello, they are already overdrilled. The bike had been sold second hand to the unsuspecting rider, therefore the DROP KICK who owned it previously had removed the emulators to resell.

There is something real nasty in human nature that dictates where monetary gain over-rides other peoples safety. The damping control in standard SV forks is already woeful, to effectively make it several times worse ( by removing the emulators for resale ) is morally reprehensible and totally repugnant. And ignorance is no excuse

I hope this same guy doesnt work in the aircraft industry..........

[James Deuce]

It is indeed repugnant - however nothing surprises me anymore.

Expect the worst - it's probably already happened.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Just this past week I supplied a set of front fork emulators to one of my service agents, for an SV650.

Part of the modification procedure when fitting emulators is to remove the internal damper rods and to overdrill the original damping holes ( and perhaps add more ) so that damping is no longer controlled in that way, the fitted emulator does so.

So the service agent removes the damper rods and hello, they are already overdrilled. The bike had been sold second hand to the unsuspecting rider, therefore the DROP KICK who owned it previously had removed the emulators to resell.

There is something real nasty in human nature that dictates where monetary gain over-rides other peoples safety. The damping control in standard SV forks is already woeful, to effectively make it several times worse ( by removing the emulators for resale ) is morally reprehensible and totally repugnant. And ignorance is no excuse

I hope this same guy doesnt work in the aircraft industry..........

it wasnt down in Christchurch was it?

[merv]

What value you talking for these things and do they fit other models? Like I'm wondering was there much point in what he did?

It reminds of many years ago in 1999 I tried my first and only Jap import vehicle a Suzuki 4x4 and typical of the day it had the Jap funny band radio - I bought the vehicle from a dealer as second Kiwi owner and dealer says get a band adjuster from Dick Smiths which I went and did. Too tight to buy a flash radio you see. Well I go to fit it and find the dork beforehand had just cut the wires and removed one already and what was it worth? $35 then, so why the frig did they bother. 3 months later that vehicle fried its cylinder head and I've never bothered with secondhand imports ever since and it reaffirmed my view to always buy new as I do with my bikes too.

[Darkman]

Just this past week I supplied a set of front fork emulators to one of my service agents, for an SV650.

Part of the modification procedure when fitting emulators is to remove the internal damper rods and to overdrill the original damping holes ( and perhaps add more ) so that damping is no longer controlled in that way, the fitted emulator does so.

So the service agent removes the damper rods and hello, they are already overdrilled. The bike had been sold second hand to the unsuspecting rider, therefore the DROP KICK who owned it previously had removed the emulators to resell.

There is something real nasty in human nature that dictates where monetary gain over-rides other peoples safety. The damping control in standard SV forks is already woeful, to effectively make it several times worse ( by removing the emulators for resale ) is morally reprehensible and totally repugnant. And ignorance is no excuse

I hope this same guy doesnt work in the aircraft industry..........

right. I know the guy who had it from new and he did nothing to it. The bike was in Wmcc for a short while before I got it. So if what you are saying is true, This bike was sold like this as new or it was done at WMCC. Either way, I would appreciate it if you could send me a report of yer findings and what the result could mean to someone riding the bike, so I can take this further.Thanx

[Robert Taylor]

right. I know the guy who had it from new and he did nothing to it. The bike was in Wmcc for a short while before I got it. So if what you are saying is true, This bike was sold like this as new or it was done at WMCC. Either way, I would appreciate it if you could send me a report of yer findings and what the result could mean to someone riding the bike, so I can take this further.Thanx

PM me with your contact details, all forms.

[Brian d marge]

they do indeed work for differing industrys

they have just been prosicuted for selling glue to hold tiles on in tunnels Knowing full well that the glue peels after a while , cause it aint strong enough to hold the tiles on

this time it did kill someone


It will all come out in the wash ....of that I am sure

Stephen

[Mom]

We have just recently replaced both the front and rear suspension on Maha's Triumph. As a result we ended up with some useless/dangerously worn suspension parts, fork springs, spacers, a rear spring etc....... I took them to work and asked my boss if i could dump them in our skip. He said, no sell them on trade me, get some money back!

They are in the skip.

I struggle to believe that people can butcher up a repair that will endanger another persons life, and blithely on sell their handiwork with a grin and a handshake.

Shame on them!!

[Robert Taylor]

Seems I pulled the pin on a pretty nasty hand grenade. Will reply to PMs in the morning and I get the feeling that there should be no more speculation and the truth sought offline. Fortunately no-one has been hurt but if the guilty party is now well aware of this folly....well lets just say this is an important message for everybody.

This is not a playstation game in the quiet and safe sanctuary of ones living room

[Pussy]

Whoever it was, apart from having no conscience, needs shooting with a ball of their own shit, for the criminal intent that has been displayed. I'm bloody pleased it isn't my life the guilty party has been playing with

[Sanx]

After having Spectrum revalve and respring the forks of my VTR, I was given a box full of the old stuff by Spectrum. I did wonder what to do with it, but I ended up simply giving it to the next owner, along with the spare key, original cans, pillion pegs and magentic tank bag (the Blade's got a plastic tank).

Some people are drop kicks, and some people are downright bloody dangerous.

[TDC]

Seems I pulled the pin on a pretty nasty hand grenade. Will reply to PMs in the morning and I get the feeling that there should be no more speculation and the truth sought offline. Fortunately no-one has been hurt but if the guilty party is now well aware of this folly....well lets just say this is an important message for everybody.

This is not a playstation game in the quiet and safe sanctuary of ones living room

Its probably quite overdue though!

I believe this practice is far more common that one would suspect. I have recently picked up a rider from the side of the road, actually saw him crash! He scuffed up a lot of gear and his new (second hand but new for him) XJ1300 but was OK, the front end tucked in on him on the exit of a corner, he wasn't going that fast. While a bit dazed he was adamant that the front end let him down, I offered to take a look but he said he had someplace else he wanted to take it, I left it at that and said goodbye when the car and trailer turned up.

He apparently had his forks rebuilt by that somebody else with a sizable invoice for seals and oil and a "check over" with no faults found but was still very concerned with the front end, so eventually turned up on my door. On inspection the forks did have new oil, didn't appear to have new fork seals but I will concede its hard to tell, I guess, benefit of doubt and all that......

When the forks were stripped the damper rods had been drilled for so as to allow for the fitting of emulators (not that nice a job of this work either), and it was obvious that some material had been removed from the spring spacers (cuts not square).

The net result of this modification without following through and fitting emulators (or removing them as is likely in this case) is that effectively all compression damping is removed. Thicker oil simply won't help at all once this has been done!

This particular model bike has one of the front ends most in need of help in the M/C industry, this type of thing makes it transform from marginal at best to downright lethal!

From what I understand to date (as you can imagine this one is going to go on and on for quite some time) it seems entirely probable / likely that this particular machine had its emulators fitted and then subsequently removed in Japan. That doesn't mean that this doesn't happen here!!!!

The poor owner that found he was a passenger on a bike with a mind of its own was the first NZ owner. He went back to the place of purchase twice asking them to check out the front end before the crash, as it (apparently) would bottom over man hole covers and got told "they are all like that" after the mechanic or sales man gave the front a bounce or two.......

The level of this type of thing (read incompetent to dangerous suspension work) is on the increase (as well as the failure to be ability to diagnose suspension faults or poor setups), maybe its the internet encouraging people to "have a go" at things they normally would not have a go at, maybe its people trying to save money in all the wrong places.

People are being injured, and loosing their lives because of poor workmanship, I have now twice been given forks off a pronged in NZ bike to rob for parts for one reason or another that have had serious faults that very easily could have contributed to or been the cause of an injury accident....

You only have one life, weight its value over saving a few bucks, and paying a fair price for a competent job........

[Robert Taylor]

Well you started it!! Without naming names can you let us know what the result was please?

It has come out of the woodwork that this bike was a write off as a result of a low side crash. It is very possible that the bike crashed because of the problem that I detailed. At some stage prior to or some stage after someone thought theyd score the emulators for resale.
With the absolute certainty that the very drop kick who did it wont come forward one will never know.
The fact it was raced reasonably successfully is a little misleading. The springs would have still held it up in its stroke after a fashion and heavier oil would have fudged it a little. But with all due respect in a full blown top level National F3 field it would be way off the pace due to the mechanical limitations.
Speedie, thanks for the legal info, I wonder how often that act has been applied?
Caveat emptor, it seems there are a hell of a lot of people out there with little concern for the safety of others. That is my point.

[White trash]

What are the chances of this scenario.

When the bike was "Written off", the original forks were damaged. A second hand set were sourced, happening to have come off an ex race machine, the owner of which had fitted an upside down front, and stripped the emulators from the original forks to gain a little extra cash when selling bits?

[merv]

Robert you didn't answer my earlier question - what is the cost of the emulators? Just want an idea of what we are talking about here.

[tri boy]

I have also experienced an accident that couldn't be explained at the time. (Bike running wide through a right hander, two up on a moderate throttle).
The KB gathering crew in April will remember said "off".
For both myself, and Kanny to walk away from that was purely good fortune and luck.
Robert will probably remember the Daytona forks as being a bit of a mess, modification wise.
I can only reinforce that people need to use an experienced, knowledgeable suspension repairer, and be willing to acknowledge there skills with suitable reimbursement. What value do YOU put on YOUR life, and those close to you?:mellow:

[White trash]

Robert you didn't answer my earlier question - what is the cost of the emulators? Just want an idea of what we are talking about here.
Varying prices Merv. I believe the Racetech ones can be had for as little as $300 bucks? Not the sort of part I'd be pulling out of a bike once they were installed anyway.

[Drew]

The fact it was raced reasonably successfully is a little misleading. The springs would have still held it up in its stroke after a fashion and heavier oil would have fudged it a little. But with all due respect in a full blown top level National F3 field it would be way off the pace due to the mechanical limitations.


Hehehehe, in true loud mouth fashion, I STILL WOULDA BEEN UP THE FRONT.:second: Kidding people, I am absolutely astonished that the bike was as ridable as it was, Both Andries and I had a ball.

May I ask RT, would reducing the ammount of compression damping, effectively increase the rebound damping? Or at least feel that way? I ask because however misguided, it could have been done on purpose.

[TDC]

Varying prices Merv. I believe the Racetech ones can be had for as little as $300 bucks? Not the sort of part I'd be pulling out of a bike once they were installed anyway.

Close enough $329.00 is the number....

[Darkman]

What are the chances of this scenario.

When the bike was "Written off", the original forks were damaged. A second hand set were sourced, happening to have come off an ex race machine, the owner of which had fitted an upside down front, and stripped the emulators from the original forks to gain a little extra cash when selling bits?

well we would never know. I just spoke to the previous owner of the bike. He has bought the bike from brand new of WMCC. Took it for its firs 1000kms service there and done nothing to it since. He was then on his way home one night and lowsided. Picked the bike up and rode it home. Insurance told him to take it to the bikeshop to get it assesed. The bgike went to WMCC and they decided the bike has too many little things wrong with it and so written it off. The bike remained there while the previous owner negotiated with his insurance. He bought it off them and sold it to me and so picked it up from WMCC.So yes...It is possible that the shop changed them because the others were bent....my question would just be why? i mean, surely they would tell you that they have given you a free set of forks if that is in fact what they have done? i don't know..have to settle with the fact that I will never know.....it pisses me off a bit.

[Robert Taylor]

Robert you didn't answer my earlier question - what is the cost of the emulators? Just want an idea of what we are talking about here.

pm me for pricing, there will be people viewing that employ the ''dutch auction'' method of marketing. I much prefer instead to provide good service and knowledgable backup.f

[Robert Taylor]

Hehehehe, in true loud mouth fashion, I STILL WOULDA BEEN UP THE FRONT.:second: Kidding people, I am absolutely astonished that the bike was as ridable as it was, Both Andries and I had a ball.

May I ask RT, would reducing the ammount of compression damping, effectively increase the rebound damping? Or at least feel that way? I ask because however misguided, it could have been done on purpose.

No absolutely not, but if it had been ''fudged'' a little with heavier oil that would have made the rebound speed slower. Remember also that you had an Ohlins shock fitted straight out of the box, too soft for road race. So it would have crudely balanced the action. Now that it is sprung and valved specifically for road race it is doubly important that the front is matched to it.

[merv]

pm me for pricing, there will be people viewing that employ the ''dutch auction'' method of marketing. I much prefer instead to provide good service and knowledgable backup.f

No problem the other guys have answered the question, I was just trying to figure what sort of a bad guy we were talking about, like was it a piffling $30 or about $300 as has been said, or is it over a $1,000 and whether it was worth the effort of removing them. I guess to some people $300 is worth it and bugger the consequences.

[Robert Taylor]

No problem the other guys have answered the question, I was just trying to figure what sort of a bad guy we were talking about, like was it a piffling $30 or about $300 as has been said, or is it over a $1,000 and whether it was worth the effort of removing them. I guess to some people $300 is worth it and bugger the consequences.

Without detailing to a wide audience we within the price provide some added value that gives better function.

[pete376403]

If a bike is written off, how hard is it to put it back on road? My bro-in-laws SV1000S was written off by a m/c shop near Courtenay Place after a low speed high side on the "takas Minor cosmetic damage as far as we could see but with the cost of replacement fairing, etc, understandable that it was considered not worth repairing. However what are the chances of the shop getting it and converting it to a standard (naked) SV1000?

[Drew]

If a bike is written off, how hard is it to put it back on road? My bro-in-laws SV1000S was written off by a m/c shop near Courtenay Place after a low speed high side on the "takas Minor cosmetic damage as far as we could see but with the cost of replacement fairing, etc, understandable that it was considered not worth repairing. However what are the chances of the shop getting it and converting it to a standard (naked) SV1000?

Top triple clamp to replace, head light, front brake lines, swithch gear, (or at least the wires cos they too short), not too sure if the clocks are the same...

It would be cheaper too fix most writen off SVs than to change them to a naked version with factory parts.

Not sure if it's even legal for the shop that writes a bike off to buy it from the insurance company. Conflict of interest and all that.

[GSVR]

I think I found one of the emulators.

How do I get these back in without anyone knowing?

[ajturbo]

It is Section 270 of The Crimes Act 1961.
Endangering Transport.

[270Endangering transport




(1)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years who, with intent to cause danger to persons or property or with reckless disregard for the safety of persons or property,—




(a)interferes with any transport facility; or





(b)does anything to any transport facility that is likely to cause danger to persons or property.




(2)For the purposes of this section, transport facility means any vehicle, ship, or aircraft, and any property used in connection with the transportation of persons or goods; and includes equipment of any kind used in navigation or for the guidance of any vehicle, ship, or aircraft.]


oh frig it... may have to pull all buckets off and go over them....:gob:

[Robert Taylor]

I think I found one of the emulators.

How do I get these back in without anyone knowing?

Flippancy is not an altogether becoming virtue! I hope you know which way is up? ( With the emulators ) !

[Drew]

I hope you know which way is up? ( With the emulators ) !

Since there is a set in the bike'm rinding, which way is up?

[TDC]

Since there is a set in the bike'm rinding, which way is up?

You should put them in the right way up:yes:

The exposed spring goes up.

[GSVR]

Since there is a set in the bike'm rinding, which way is up?

Since all they are is a glorified check/pressure relief valve you'd have to be a bit simple not to be able to figue it out. Not sure they actually physically fit the wrong way round anyway.

Spring to the top Drew

If you want a dangerous bike ride a hardtail

[Pancakes]

Holy Hell! with the amount of concern this has generated (RT, the original post I think was definatly worth concern) among people who are questioning their own suspension there must be some sketchy bikes out there!

Brakes, Suspension and Tyres. Pretty important.

[Pussy]

If nothing else, at least Gassit Girl has a clear conscience that both SV650s that she has sold went WITH the better springs and emulators still fitted

[slopster]

When I first started riding I had a bike shop in palmy replace my fork seals and they forgot to put any oil in them afterward and being a newby I didn't know any better and rode with the most horrendous handling for over 10000km.

[Brian d marge]

If you want a dangerous bike ride a hardtail

Tis a myth

loved my Triumph Rigid

Solo sprung seat ,,, handled fine ,,, Clocked some Miles on it to !!!!

Now PLUNGER rear end ,,,a whole lot of rope was smoked when they designed that

( I suspect the Marketing dept ,,,, theres some strange a goings on behind them doors )

Stephen

its a little known fact that all Rigid bikes come supplied with dual springs which are are adjustable for rebound and compression ....

unfortunately the damping rates are preset .......

[Robert Taylor]

Since all they are is a glorified check/pressure relief valve you'd have to be a bit simple not to be able to figue it out. Not sure they actually physically fit the wrong way round anyway.

Spring to the top Drew

If you want a dangerous bike ride a hardtail

I have seen two sets of forks with the emulators installed upside down, its events like this that have reinforced my scathing contempt for the ''kiwi can do'' mentality.

There are simple people, there are people who cannot read, maybe also there are too many suffering brain degradation due to too much waccy baccy?

[Robert Taylor]

Holy Hell! with the amount of concern this has generated (RT, the original post I think was definatly worth concern) among people who are questioning their own suspension there must be some sketchy bikes out there!

Brakes, Suspension and Tyres. Pretty important.

And cars, have you evidenced the number of ill handling cars with worn suspension dampers and bushings? A lot of the budget level imports we see on the road have ''sponge pudding'' calibration to start with and look positively unstable on bumpy undulating roads at anything above 80 km/h.

Conversely, the drift car mentality of lowering to the bump stops and winding in any clickers to max. Thats a really intelligent setting for greasy roads...

[Robert Taylor]

When I first started riding I had a bike shop in palmy replace my fork seals and they forgot to put any oil in them afterward and being a newby I didn't know any better and rode with the most horrendous handling for over 10000km.

Criminal negligence?

[Robert Taylor]

Ah yes, but you did say drift cars. They set up there cars so that they WILL break traction.. the idea of drifting...
It is however a good example for you to use in your seminars etc, showing an extremity.. lowered to bump stops, winding all the clickers right in = easy loss of traction, mostly dangerous.. unless your a drifter.

Its the ''crash test dummies'' driving these on the road that I worry about, particularly if they are on the same piece of road as you at the same time.

[Drew]

I built a drift car once, well started to anyway, took a carburated Sivia, (S12 for those in the know), injected it, threw a turbo at it, and off I went, great skid car, right up untill I lowered it, then the fuckin thing would slip a tiny bit, before tearing off down the road, how dare it improve my traction I thought! And now wonder why you assume a dumped car will slide around without warning.

[imdying]

Knowing S12s, that seems unlikely.

[Drew]

Knowing S12s, that seems unlikely.

I dont care what you know, that's what it did. I had to put standard rear springs back in it to do decent skids. Without the aid of a handbrake.

[imdying]

I dont care what you know, that's what it did. I had to put standard rear springs back in it to do decent skids. Without the aid of a handbrake.You've really no idea why this is the case though... and yet you fuck around with things like that... which is far more worrying than the end result.

[Drew]

You've really no idea why this is the case though... and yet you fuck around with things like that... which is far more worrying than the end result.


Bwahahahahahaha, I didn't care why it did it, I just wanted to slide my way around a race track, and my budget was too tight to have an IRS kit put in it, with adjustable cambers, and fiddle brakes. So my option was trial and error with what I had.

I couldn't give two shits what worries you about my understanding of car suspension, it was a toy, I grew bored with it, and I sold it.

In terms of the bike however, my understanding is again limited, my saving grace on that front is a pretty decent riding abilty. It means I can change what I think is causing a problem, and then FEEL if I'm right or not. All the suspension knowledge in the world wont help if you cant put the benefits into practise.

[doc]

Just this past week I supplied a set of front fork emulators to one of my service agents, for an SV650.

Part of the modification procedure when fitting emulators is to remove the internal damper rods and to overdrill the original damping holes ( and perhaps add more ) so that damping is no longer controlled in that way, the fitted emulator does so.

So the service agent removes the damper rods and hello, they are already overdrilled. The bike had been sold second hand to the unsuspecting rider, therefore the DROP KICK who owned it previously had removed the emulators to resell.

There is something real nasty in human nature that dictates where monetary gain over-rides other peoples safety. The damping control in standard SV forks is already woeful, to effectively make it several times worse ( by removing the emulators for resale ) is morally reprehensible and totally repugnant. And ignorance is no excuse

I hope this same guy doesnt work in the aircraft industry..........
I don't have any problem, you buy second hand its buyer beware. Also fitting emulators is pretty simple I wouldn't pay some one to do it. . So if you found the suspension ok on test ride "what else is going to go wrong with this thing ?

[Pancakes]

I don't have any problem, you buy second hand its buyer beware. Also fitting emulators is pretty simple I wouldn't pay some one to do it. . So if you found the suspension ok on test ride "what else is going to go wrong with this thing ?

You want people to demand you pull the forks apart each time they take a gander at a bike your selling? Buyer beware is great to live by if your a repeat dodgy seller making a quick buck and don't give a shit when people get wrapped around poles. I bet when you make a purchase outside of your field of expertise and get bitten you don't just sit on the couch and say you shoulda known better. Hey, there's making a buck and there's making a few more with death as the potential result. I know this is on the interweb and flippant remarks are easily passed but if you really think like that don't go crying cos your mum's front wheel locked on at 100k's cos the seller thought selling to someone who doesn't know better would be more profitable than fixing their car?
I also hope you are a chemist and can test any pills you may need to take as current affairs in China have shown things aren't always what they seem, we all rely on trust to a great extent and are all responsible for the general attitudes like this, NZ is a small place bro.

[doc]

You want people to demand you pull the forks apart each time they take a gander at a bike your selling? Buyer beware is great to live by if your a repeat dodgy seller making a quick buck and don't give a shit when people get wrapped around poles. I bet when you make a purchase outside of your field of expertise and get bitten you don't just sit on the couch and say you shoulda known better. Hey, there's making a buck and there's making a few more with death as the potential result. I know this is on the interweb and flippant remarks are easily passed but if you really think like that don't go crying cos your mum's front wheel locked on at 100k's cos the seller thought selling to someone who doesn't know better would be more profitable than fixing their car?
I also hope you are a chemist and can test any pills you may need to take as current affairs in China have shown things aren't always what they seem, we all rely on trust to a great extent and are all responsible for the general attitudes like this, NZ is a small place bro.

Get over yourself "Pal" I'd try to sell it on trademe.

[manwithav8]

Get over yourself "Pal" I'd try to sell it on trademe.

Go on, post your trademe user name so none of us have to deal with your crap. I sure as hell wouldn't buy a damn thing off you "PAL"

[doc]

Go on, post your trademe user name so none of us have to deal with your crap. I sure as hell wouldn't buy a damn thing off you "PAL"
Exactly the point I'm making if you are going to buy something privately ie. Trademe you have to know what to look for, and also accept possibly that the seller is misrepresenting what you have fallen in love with, especially motorcycle's, people aren't here to look after your interests. If you want guarantees go and pay the premium that a dealer needs to cover issuse's like this (ie Consumer guarantees.) Otherwise get someone who can understand what your buying. The original post seemed to made by a novice who got burned and thought it wasn't his fault. Ok so I'm a dick in your eyes but this is how life is. How many people buy stuff on Trademe then have a problem theythen they check the seller's feedback and find he is dealing from China or something ?

[manwithav8]

when someone removes an item which deems the part unsafe then that is criminal. If it can be traced back to the person who removed said part, in the case of a fatality then they should be held accountable for nothing less than manslaughter. There are beginners out there, as I am one of those. I am a mechanic by trade which gives me a certain safety aspect of buying privately, and if I am unsure then I seek advice of a specialist. There are those that are less fortunate of having a trade back ground that fall in love with something and go ahead and buy. So why should they be put at risk for somebody else trying to make an extra buck. I still maintain I will never buy anything off you!!!

[doc]

. I still maintain I will never buy anything off you!!!Fair enough but how do you know you haven't already ?

[manwithav8]

for the sake of being a catty twat. If you think this is a game then your more of a dick than I thought.

I cannot understand how you think the situation that is mentioned in this thread is ok. Bewilders me to think what some will do for a little extra money.

[cowpoos]

Fair enough but how do you know you haven't already ?


for the sake of being a catty twat. If you think this is a game then your more of a dick than I thought.
.

Ain't you two just the cutest!! Reminds me off two cows I had once... they both clearly hated each other...and yet would stand next to each other all the time while waiting to be milked...disrupting the rest of them...it used to piss me right the fuck off...so then one day one of the said cows got bloat and died...end of problem!!

Moral of the story...don't guts yourselves of lush white clover!!

[imdying]

Fair enough but how do you know you haven't already ?


for the sake of being a catty twat. If you think this is a game then your more of a dick than I thought.

Maybe somewhat... but he has a point, how do you know that you (or any one of us) hasn't brought something from him, or someone like him? (not saying that everything you sell is dodgy doc, just carrying on the logical extension of your argument)

Doesn't bare thinking about some days :blink:

[mogiman]

After reading every part of this ,And im a kiwi can do guy and riding an 87 gsxr whos front end is bad at the best of times ,would now part with his hard earned very little amount of money that i sometimes get ,
I like to read up and study anything before i do it ,if your read any racing section everyone says to spend money on suspension first you will go faster than if you buy go fast parts ,moto gp you hear them say my set-up was not quite right they dont say my motor wouldnt go fast etc..
So i have changed they way i think about a few things many can still be done the kiwi way, but now my money will go to the right man or woman for the right job
And if that saves me from stacking my bike or saves me just once thats far more worth it:Playnice:

[manwithav8]

I can see what your saying and also agree.. Who knows if I have bought something off him or not.. But correct me if I am wrong, this thread is about dodgy buggers fiddling with stuff then selling on trying to make extra coin? I am sure it isn't about who has sold what to manwithav8....

That aside, a PM or two have been exchanged and an apology has been made for the name calling... I just think we should stay on topic this time round because it sounds a little serious to hijack .......

[Pixie]

We have just recently replaced both the front and rear suspension on Maha's Triumph. As a result we ended up with some useless/dangerously worn suspension parts, fork springs, spacers, a rear spring etc....... I took them to work and asked my boss if i could dump them in our skip. He said, no sell them on trade me, get some money back!

They are in the skip.

I struggle to believe that people can butcher up a repair that will endanger another persons life, and blithely on sell their handiwork with a grin and a handshake.

Shame on them!!

Carpe Deim
...No ,it isn't latin for "fish of the day"

[Blackflagged]

Incorrect spring rates, especially to hard.Or adjustable forks with gumed up passages can be just as dangerous, over the right (Wrong) series of bumps.Get them checked and serviced.

[kwaka_crasher]

Incorrect spring rates, especially to hard.Or adjustable forks with gumed up passages can be just as dangerous, over the right (Wrong) series of bumps.


Dreeeeedge!

[Mishy]

Carpe Deim
...No ,it isn't latin for "fish of the day"

Nice phrase - how about "Carpe Jugulum" ? that seems to be the mentality of some people.

[Wheeliemonsta]

Just this past week I supplied a set of front fork emulators to one of my service agents, for an SV650.

Part of the modification procedure when fitting emulators is to remove the internal damper rods and to overdrill the original damping holes ( and perhaps add more ) so that damping is no longer controlled in that way, the fitted emulator does so.

So the service agent removes the damper rods and hello, they are already overdrilled. The bike had been sold second hand to the unsuspecting rider, therefore the DROP KICK who owned it previously had removed the emulators to resell.

There is something real nasty in human nature that dictates where monetary gain over-rides other peoples safety. The damping control in standard SV forks is already woeful, to effectively make it several times worse ( by removing the emulators for resale ) is morally reprehensible and totally repugnant. And ignorance is no excuse

I hope this same guy doesnt work in the aircraft industry..........

Sadly Robert it is more prevalent than you would expect - I've had a similar experience recently with a second hand ZX10 front end that you had modified for the bikes previous owner, the bike was written off by a subsequent owner & the useable parts made available for sale...

The front end was then fitted to a friends race bike at some exspense where it peformed shockingly to the point where the bike was crashed at a round of last years Nationals

Upon pulling the forks down it was found that some ham fisted FU**WIT had been in there & removed all the Ohlins & Race Tech componentry fitted by your good selves & re-fitted, very poorly, I might add the original parts - one of the fork legs effectively had no rebound as it had been assembled (if thats what you'd like to call it...) incorrectly & parts damaged...

Of course we were sold the front end as having "All the good stuff fitted"

This sort of blatant disregard for the saftey of others shits me to tears - as it effectively ended our Nationals season that year...

(And if said "HAM FISTED FU**WIT is reading this; you desreve to be shot with serveral balls of your own shit :mad:)

Cheers

:rockon:

[Robert Taylor]

Sadly Robert it is more prevalent than you would expect - I've had a similar experience recently with a second hand ZX10 front end that you had modified for the bikes previous owner, the bike was written off by a subsequent owner & the useable parts made available for sale...

The front end was then fitted to a friends race bike at some exspense where it peformed shockingly to the point where the bike was crashed at a round of last years Nationals

Upon pulling the forks down it was found that some ham fisted FU**WIT had been in there & removed all the Ohlins & Race Tech componentry fitted by your good selves & re-fitted, very poorly, I might add the original parts - one of the fork legs effectively had no rebound as it had been assembled (if thats what you'd like to call it...) incorrectly & parts damaged...

Of course we were sold the front end as having "All the good stuff fitted"

This sort of blatant disregard for the saftey of others shits me to tears - as it effectively ended our Nationals season that year...

(And if said "HAM FISTED FU**WIT is reading this; you desreve to be shot with serveral balls of your own shit :mad:)

Cheers

:rockon:

And It might also have reflected on our name......

[Wheeliemonsta]

And It might also have reflected on our name......

No disrespect or ill will intended or implied Robert - the forks have now been sorted & are performing faultlessly...

However I can understand how this sort of carry on could possibly impact negatively on your good selves & the service you provide...

All the best for the new year & we'll see you round the traps in due course

Cheers

:rockon:

[White trash]

Just this past week I supplied a set of front fork emulators to one of my service agents, for an SV650.

Part of the modification procedure when fitting emulators is to remove the internal damper rods and to overdrill the original damping holes ( and perhaps add more ) so that damping is no longer controlled in that way, the fitted emulator does so.

So the service agent removes the damper rods and hello, they are already overdrilled. The bike had been sold second hand to the unsuspecting rider, therefore the DROP KICK who owned it previously had removed the emulators to resell.

There is something real nasty in human nature that dictates where monetary gain over-rides other peoples safety. The damping control in standard SV forks is already woeful, to effectively make it several times worse ( by removing the emulators for resale ) is morally reprehensible and totally repugnant. And ignorance is no excuse

I hope this same guy doesnt work in the aircraft industry..........

Time for a thread dredge.

The same forks mentioned above were pulled down yesterday for a bit of straightening. The mechanic working on the bike commented that whoever fitted the emulators hadn't drilled the damper rods at all, the hole sizes were factory.

I hope your previous service agent doesn't work in the aircraft industry.......

[roogazza]

Hehehehe, in true loud mouth fashion, I STILL WOULDA BEEN UP THE FRONT.:second: Kidding people, I am absolutely astonished that the bike was as ridable as it was, Both Andries and I had a ball./QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Darkman;1167707]well we would never know. I just spoke to the previous owner of the bike. He has bought the bike from brand new of WMCC. Took it for its firs 1000kms service there and done nothing to it since. He was then on his way home one night and lowsided. Picked the bike up and rode it home. Insurance told him to take it to the bikeshop to get it assesed. The bgike went to WMCC and they decided the bike has too many little things wrong with it and so written it off. The bike remained there while the previous owner negotiated with his insurance. He bought it off them and sold it to me and so picked it up from WMCC.So yes...It is possible that the shop changed them because the others were bent....my question would just be why? i mean, surely they would tell you that they have given you a free set of forks if that is in fact what they have done? i don't know..have to settle with the fact that I will never know.....it pisses me off a bit.


Time for a thread dredge.

The same forks mentioned above were pulled down yesterday for a bit of straightening. The mechanic working on the bike commented that whoever fitted the emulators hadn't drilled the damper rods at all, the hole sizes were factory.

I hope your previous service agent doesn't work in the aircraft industry.......

Man , that's a dredge. Maybe you shouldn't have with the MAS involved ? LOL !!!
ps Mr 7/10ths broken his duck ?????? I take it it's his?

[Deano]

Man , that's a dredge. Maybe you shouldn't have with the MAS involved ? LOL !!!
ps Mr 7/10ths broken his duck ?????? I take it it's his?

What are you on about Gaz ?

MAS ?

Duck ?

[Robert Taylor]

[QUOTE=Drew;1167648]Hehehehe, in true loud mouth fashion, I STILL WOULDA BEEN UP THE FRONT.:second: Kidding people, I am absolutely astonished that the bike was as ridable as it was, Both Andries and I had a ball./QUOTE]





Man , that's a dredge. Maybe you shouldn't have with the MAS involved ? LOL !!!
ps Mr 7/10ths broken his duck ?????? I take it it's his?

In fairness to that the SV650 rods already have relatively large damping holes and its not as critical as with other brands / models that have relatively tiny holes. The effective criteria is that the combined area of those holes exceeds the area of the bore diameter of the rod

[White trash]

In fairness to that the SV650 rods already have relatively large damping holes and its not as critical as with other brands / models that have relatively tiny holes. The effective criteria is that the combined area of those holes exceeds the area of the bore diameter of the rod

Negative. A total bulshit statement was made by someone with little experience at the time in order to make himself look more knowledgeable than he actually was. Neither the owner of the bike at that time, nor it's original owner could understand how it happened because it had never had emulators fitted.

Then the job wasn't even performed in the correct manner.

What the hell is up with that?

[Robert Taylor]

Negative. A total bulshit statement was made by someone with little experience at the time in order to make himself look more knowledgeable than he actually was. Neither the owner of the bike at that time, nor it's original owner could understand how it happened because it had never had emulators fitted.

Then the job wasn't even performed in the correct manner.

What the hell is up with that?

I guess Jimmy theres only one person that can answer that but would also be reluctant or cagey about doing so!

[sidecar bob]

I guess Jimmy theres only one person that can answer that but would also be reluctant or cagey about doing so!

This is one of the drawbacks of leaving ones excellent reputation in the hands of others.
For the last six months I have wrestled with the concept of taking on another technician. But since I got rid of the two I had, my comeback rate & general rate of personal head fuck has dropped to virtually zero, along with my wage bill.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Negative. A total bulshit statement was made by someone with little experience at the time in order to make himself look more knowledgeable than he actually was. Neither the owner of the bike at that time, nor it's original owner could understand how it happened because it had never had emulators fitted.

Then the job wasn't even performed in the correct manner.

What the hell is up with that?

And WMCC's name was thrown about, and made us out to be crooks and a danger to peoples lives because of it. Nice.

[roogazza]

What are you on about Gaz ?

MAS ?

Duck ?

Duck, as in 'breaking a duck'. I was guessing it was your bike and I see now that it was, (as in you have had your first race crash). But 5th in another race.

[Deano]

Duck, as in 'breaking a duck'. I was guessing it was your bike and I see now that it was, as you have had your first race crash. But 5th in another race.

Aha - I thought you were referring to a Duck, as in Ducati. LOL

Still haven't worked out what MAS means though - you young people and your crazy TXT lingo......

[roadracingoldfart]

Aha - I thought you were referring to a Duck, as in Ducati. LOL

Still haven't worked out what MAS means though - you young people and your crazy TXT lingo......

Hes always been dodgy Deano.:msn-wink:

[FROSTY]

Heck reading that thread gave me a horrible sinking feeling. My SV650 racebike came from the south island allready "setup" to race with the stock front end.
I hauled it out complete without opening it up and sold it to someone as a complete rolling front end ready to go into a SV. I have no idea what the last owner doid to or with it.

[cowpoos]

I guess Jimmy theres only one person that can answer that but would also be reluctant or cagey about doing so!

Seems that Bernard is using his services at the moment? is that for the full nationals?

[White trash]

Heck reading that thread gave me a horrible sinking feeling. My SV650 racebike came from the south island allready "setup" to race with the stock front end.
I hauled it out complete without opening it up and sold it to someone as a complete rolling front end ready to go into a SV. I have no idea what the last owner doid to or with it.

Don't stress Frosty. If you took the time to read the entire thread you'd notice that the original scenario never actually took place. Someone was bullshitting a whole lot of other people.