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Transalper
13th August 2007, 21:22
http://www.transworldmotocross.com/mx/how_to/article/0,13190,1215721,00.html

Might be slightly useful to some, they make it look easier than I remember it being.

marks
13th August 2007, 22:03
I didn't recognize any of it.

No swearing, no blood, no fingers caught

and breaking the bead normally needs a vise or a good thumping

I've obviously been doing it all wrong...

Transalper
13th August 2007, 22:08
lol, and my rims, spokes, hubs and already mounted tires never look that clean.

Transalper
13th August 2007, 22:15
Also I only ever use two tire leavers and my bead has never just pressed off like that. Maybe it would if the rim and tyre were both as new.

Still, you get the general idea of what is involved.

cooneyr
14th August 2007, 08:20
Also I only ever use two tire leavers and my bead has never just pressed off like that. Maybe it would if the rim and tyre were both as new.

Still, you get the general idea of what is involved.

Damn - that tyre just fell of the bead like you blew on in comparison to breaking the DR650's bead! :gob:

Clean, whats that?

Good point raised in the first vid though - do any of you fullers ever check your spokes? Just "ringing" them with a tyre lever or something is a good idea. Pretty simple to give a 1/2 turn or so to tighten if they dont ring.

Cheers R

Transalper
14th August 2007, 12:56
No, I don't check my spokes anywhere near often enough.

Just watched them videos again and thought i would add, the three tire leavers and bead buddy look good for at home jobs, but on the road when trying to keep the weight of your tool kit down for roadside repairs you should be able to do it with only two leavers at most and forget the bead buddy (still I might get the extra leaver and bead buddy to try for home).
I use soapy water for the bead lube. The talc powder is an interesting thought but once again you aren't likely to take that on the road with you.

He is right on the technique thing though, if you are struggling then you need to adjust your method a bit. Think small movements especially when putting the last part of the tire on the rim.

Mint Sauce
14th August 2007, 15:33
Thanks TA. Great vids.

So anybody know where you can get a Bead Buddy, oh and a bucket full of that technique he mentioned?

cooneyr
14th August 2007, 17:13
Thanks TA. Great vids.

So anybody know where you can get a Bead Buddy, oh and a bucket full of that technique he mentioned?

No idea on where to get a bead buddy but I recon you could make one out of some plate pretty quick smart.

As for the technique, that come from experience and theres only one way to get that.

Good luck.

Cheers R

bart
14th August 2007, 18:16
He missed the 'beating the shit out of it with a rubber hammer' part.

I've changed a few tyres over the last few years, and have never seen it done that easy. I must be doing it way wrong.

Transalper
14th August 2007, 19:26
I am changing a front tire on the DR at home on Friday and had thought about recording a real world average dirty old tire change but after that video it would almost be embarrassing to show.:slap: :shutup:

I wonder if the fact their tires are only on the nice shiny rims for one or two rides helps. The tire itself was probably nice warm and soft which would help a lot. It certainly had not welded itself to the rim like an old one.
But it still does give you the idea of the order of events in a tire change.

marks
14th August 2007, 21:06
I am changing a front tire on the DR at home on Friday and had thought about recording a real world average dirty old tire change but after that video it would almost be embarrassing to show.:slap: :shutup:

I'm changing the front tire tomorrow on my 660 (for mmmmm) - the dirtiest that I hope to get is reaching for my wallet to pay the bike shop.

Last time I changed a tire the kids threatened to leave home because of all the foul language...

alfonz
16th August 2007, 22:37
having had a few puntures recently and changing tryes for adv riding and helping my neighbour with his because im a big fella breaking the bead is easy most of the time and getting the trye on and off is easy i use three leavers to T/A cry i only use two but i have seen my neighbour curse and swear and throw the trye out the f#@kin door .then he came up with a idea to bolt to a wheel rim and to the work bench it worked quite well untill he sliped and put a 12mm x 1.5 mm pitch tread on the back of his hand which i laughed and got told that i could fu*k off home but it was good to watch :yes: sorry neighbour had to tell :rolleyes:

mattsdakar
17th August 2007, 00:16
I wasn't the first and won't be the last to skin my knuckles while changing a tyre!!

NordieBoy
17th August 2007, 09:46
I've done pushie tyres so how hard can a motorbike tyre be?
A pair of screw drivers to get it off and roll the bead back on with your hands.

Drew
17th August 2007, 09:48
I've done pushie tyres so how hard can a motorbike tyre be?

Have a crack at an MX wheel with rim lockers on it.

Real fuggin hard

NordieBoy
17th August 2007, 11:51
Have a crack at an MX wheel with rim lockers on it.

Real fuggin hard

I will.
But my MX bike doesn't go through tyres very fast.
The current set have been on for 3 years or so.

vifferman
17th August 2007, 12:12
The last tyre I changed was back in... hmmm... 1993? Gummint-issue XL125S farmbike. Of course, doing it on Gummint time, it didn't matter how long I took. All I remember are using two tyre levers and a rubber mallet, and that I had a win. Probably finished off with our usual mantra, "Yup, that'll do. Good enough for a country job."
Talc? Soapy water?
Don't remember those - chances are we just pissed on it or summat.

Buddy L
17th August 2007, 12:26
Just Changed my tyre on the weekend, well took it off to replace the hub and respoke the rim and out the old one back on. This was the first time that i haddent pintched the tube :) was so stoked.

warewolf
17th August 2007, 13:42
Good point raised in the first vid though - do any of you fullers ever check your spokes? Just "ringing" them with a tyre lever or something is a good idea. Pretty simple to give a 1/2 turn or so to tighten if they dont ring.1/2 turn is too much, only go 1/8 - 1/4 at a time, go round the rim and repeat as necessary. All on the same side should sound the same. DRC make a handy spoke tool, $25 including the assorted nipple sizes, once you have one you'll use it regularly. <img src=http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o20/warewolf885/mc/tech/spokeTool.jpg>

Another helpful item for the toolbox is the valve tool; it's a valve cap tool firmly tightened onto an appropriate sized bolt or old valve stem (pictured above, left). Not something I carry with me - nor use all the time at home, either.


Just watched them videos again and thought i would add, the three tire leavers and bead buddy look good for at home jobs, but on the road when trying to keep the weight of your tool kit down for roadside repairs you should be able to do it with only two leavers at most and forget the bead buddy (still I might get the extra leaver and bead buddy to try for home).Keep the weight down by making combination levers. It also reduces the number of levers you have to buy. Usually I carry only 2 of these. Also the flat blade-like ends have been filed down to make them a sharper wedge; ex-factory they are too blunt-nosed. The "spoon" levers are supposed to be better.
<img src=http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o20/warewolf885/mc/tech/tyreLevers.jpg>
Be creative, see the KTM tool (pictured, bottom): various sizes including the shock spring preload hook. You could weld on screwdriver blades, hex keys, sockets or whatever, cut them down so you're not carry separate handles for each tool. I've seen some real Frankentools in Aussie mags.


The talc powder is an interesting thought but once again you aren't likely to take that on the road with you.But there's no reason why you can't take a small amount in a little baggy or whatnot. Just make sure none of your "friends" points it out to the cops if you get pulled over.


He is right on the technique thing though, if you are struggling then you need to adjust your method a bit. Think small movements especially when putting the last part of the tire on the rim.I think using a fresh 19" fat mx tyre on a fat rim is a useful technique!!! Smaller diameter rims and narrower tyres make it harder. New, soft tyres are always easier, they harden with age.

If you get a flat, the tyre will heat up nicely if it is ridden while deflated - so fix it before it cools.

mbazza
17th August 2007, 21:27
Interesting vids TA, thanks. Makes you think! C:shutup:heers.

mbazza
17th August 2007, 21:28
Interesting vids TA, thanks. Makes you think! :shutup:Cheers.

cooneyr
18th August 2007, 11:19
1/2 turn is too much, only go 1/8 - 1/4 at a time, go round the rim and repeat as necessary. All on the same side should sound the same. DRC make a handy spoke tool, $25 including the assorted nipple sizes, once you have one you'll use it regularly.

I just tighten till similar tension as other spokes, got for a ride then check the run out. I've got a very little crescent that works fine. I've played with treadly rims enough (did 4000kms commuting for about 3 years on the same bike) so have a feel for these things now. Not something that you can just say 1/8 or 1/2 turn really (opps I did that earlier :shutup:).


cut them down so you're not carry separate handles for each tool. I've seen some real Frankentools in Aussie mags.

Hmmmm - wheres that welder :D

Cheers R