Indicating at roundabouts

[CptSolo]

Hi guys, just need to vent a frustration..

People who indicate right when heading straight through a roundabout are getting on my wick.

Probably a year or two ago the law changed making it compulsary to indicate when coming off a roundabout, eg. turning right you indicate right going round the island and then when approaching your exit you indicate left. A good and simple rule to help traffic flow, but somehow a lot of people seem to have interpreted this to mean you must also indicate right when you are going straight through. Not the case, if you are going straight through you only need to indicate left when coming off the roundabout (right?!). The result is you end up waiting for somebody indicating right only to find they're going straight.

Anybody else sick of this happening? Its driving me freeking nuts!

[Vagabond]

Yeah I feel zackaly the same! but also the lack of indication at all, sometimes I find myself wanting to Tbone someone on perpose (when in the cage) that is!

[cowpoos]

you poor poor man!! I feel for you!! all these people out there not obeying the raod rules just to piss you off!!! it must suck!!

where as the only thing that drives me freeking nuts is the amount of pointless firckin post on here these days!!! whinging about pointless fricken shit!!!

nah n ah nah....wear your safety gear always....nya nya nya...the sky is falling the sky is falling!!!!

[Grahameeboy]

you poor poor man!! I feel for you!! all these people out there not obeying the raod rules just to piss you off!!! it must suck!!

where as the only thing that drives me freeking nuts is the amount of pointless firckin post on here these days!!! whinging about pointless fricken shit!!!

nah n ah nah....wear your safety gear always....nya nya nya...the sky is falling the sky is falling!!!!

Be tolerant Mr Poos............they only have 8 posts.............

[CptSolo]

8 posts, 9 posts, but a life you web worms

[cowpoos]

Be tolerant Mr Poos............they only have 8 posts.............
yeah alright I will....only if you buy me a candy bar though??

[Gremlin]

yeah alright I will....only if you buy me a candy bar though??
stop chasing guys... are the sheep too fast for you? :laugh:

I believe the law didn't actually change either... they just tried to make people aware of it. It's really not hard either. I've had muppets in front of me go into roundabouts, using one indicator, then the other, then the hazards, and by that time they were only in the middle of the roundabout.

Never assume that their indicators actually tell you what they are doing. They don't even know what they are doing. :yawn:

[Grahameeboy]

yeah alright I will....only if you buy me a candy bar though??

Yum...do I have a candy bar for you!!

[sAsLEX]

Thing that gets me is the worse roundabout habits are found in the centre of the roundabout Universe..... Hamilton......




Here in the UK indicating and roundabouts does not seem to happen much at all, but people use them correctly as a give way not a stop sign and things seem to flow oh so much easier.....

[Nasty]

I agree that its annoying .. but its not as simple rule as you seem to think. The way it was sold in papers etc to the public was that you had to indicate ... and that is what people picked up on .... not that you had to indicate to get off.

[mdooher]

Lets face it some people are just too stupid to drive. I guess the idea when you go for your drivers test is that as long as you are basicly safe you should get better with time...nice idea but as we know some never change and some get worse.

How many cage drivers do you see with their headlights and fog-lights on at the same time? Are they to stupid to know that it is illegal?........yep. Do they care?....nop. think these people will know how to indicate at roudabouts?

[Goblin]

What ever happened to 3 seconds indicating before turning or changing lanes? This indicating to get off a roundabout just causes confusion. Too many stoooopid people dont know how to use indicators at the best of times. Never trust them!!

[Rosie]

How many cage drivers do you see with their headlights and fog-lights on at the same time? Are they to stupid to know that it is illegal?........yep. Do they care?....nop.

I care, but it can be hard to keep up with (or remember) every aspect of the road rules. Do you have a reference for the fog light rule? I couldn't find anything in the road code. I know it's illegal to drive with just your park lights on, but wasn't aware of any laws about fog lights.
I might be a too-stupid-to-drive cage-piloting criminal :shit:

[yungatart]

What is worse (IMHO) at roundabouts is the tossers who change lanes within the roundabout....you know, start off in the outside lane, switch to the inside , then back to the outside again, all because it is too much hard work to actually drive around the thing, much easier to straighten it out! (Use an indicator - nah, don't be stupid!)

[roogazza]

Dumb rule , and I don't bother ! I'm busy enough out of roundabouts thanks ! G.

[merv]

Be tolerant Mr Poos............they only have 8 posts.............

Yeah you been having a bad day at the office or something Poos?

[mdooher]

I couldn't find anything in the road code. I know it's illegal to drive with just your park lights on, but wasn't aware of any laws about fog lights.


This is from land transport road user rule 2004

8.4 Use of optional lights

(1) A driver may use a fog lamp only in conditions of severely
reduced visibility, including fog or snow, but not under clear
atmospheric conditions even during the hours of darkness.

you can also find it in LTSA fact sheet 73 This information was publicised at the same time as the roundabout indicating rule but somehow no one read it.

:innocent:

[Grahameeboy]

The whole problem is that a Law had to be introduced to explain a basic for roundabouts.........

[merv]

Yep and how many dweebs drive along all the time with their damn low level "fog" (they call them "driving") lights on glaring in your face?

[Rosie]

Ta. and 10 characters.

[more_fasterer]

Yep and how many dweebs drive along all the time with their damn low level "fog" (they call them "driving") lights on glaring in your face?

Fewer dweebs than those that drive around with one broken headlight, about the same as the ones that have (usually one) headlight so badly adjusted that it's pointing directly at your face, and more than the number of dweebs driving round with either no lights or park lights on at night.


Fuck this country needs some driver edumacation.

[Coldrider]

What is worse (IMHO) at roundabouts is the tossers who change lanes within the roundabout....you know, start off in the outside lane, switch to the inside , then back to the outside again, all because it is too much hard work to actually drive around the thing, much easier to straighten it out! (Use an indicator - nah, don't be stupid!)
In the big centres there are roundabouts with 3 lanes, you have to change lanes to get to the outside lane to exit. The idea is that, yes, you do indicate and go round the roundabout as many times required as required to acheive the aim.
The biggest problem with roundabouts is most people do not know how to use them, and the policing of them doesn't help either.
Traffic should slow down to 15 to 20KPH and cars should be able to enter in any availabe space and exit at will. The car spaces should mesh like to cogs.
But in NZ, oh no, only 2 cars are allowed on the roundabout, we may as well be waiting at a red light, decision made for us.

[Goblin]

The one that really gets me is when people drop a oil right through a roundabout and just leave it there for a motorcyclist to fall over on. :angry: :mad::angry2:
Then there's the overcautious paranoid driver who will STOP at a roundabout when there's nothing coming!!:nono:

[Max Preload]

Then there's the overcautious paranoid driver who will STOP at a roundabout when there's nothing coming!!:nono:

Or all but stop in case another vehicle decloaks on the roundabout...

[mazz1972]

Hi guys, just need to vent a frustration..

People who indicate right when heading straight through a roundabout are getting on my wick.

Probably a year or two ago the law changed making it compulsary to indicate when coming off a roundabout, eg. turning right you indicate right going round the island and then when approaching your exit you indicate left. A good and simple rule to help traffic flow, but somehow a lot of people seem to have interpreted this to mean you must also indicate right when you are going straight through. Not the case, if you are going straight through you only need to indicate left when coming off the roundabout (right?!). The result is you end up waiting for somebody indicating right only to find they're going straight.

Anybody else sick of this happening? Its driving me freeking nuts!

I agree BUT beg to differ about the indicating rules at roundabouts.

Hubby and I sat our restricted licence tests at the start of this year, we were both pulled up for NOT indicating when going STRAIGHT THROUGH a roundabout. (Although we still passed the test).

We were told to indicate right until we got halfway through the roundabout, then indicate left. This is at the small roundabout in Paraparaumu at the intersection of Kapiti/Rimu Roads. Have attached a wee map - the pink circle is the roundabout and the pink arrow is the direction we went through.

So annoying as it is, going on what the testing chap told us, all these annoying people are actually indicating correctly, and if you don't indicate, you are in the wrong.

In a roundabout as small as the one I'm referring to, it only takes about 3 seconds from woe to go if you are going straight through so impossible to apply the 3 second rule unless you go through dead slow.

Perhaps one of the law enforcers on here could put us all straight on exactly what is correct?

[Coldrider]

I agree BUT beg to differ about the indicating rules at roundabouts.

Hubby and I sat our restricted licence tests at the start of this year, we were both pulled up for NOT indicating when going STRAIGHT THROUGH a roundabout. (Although we still passed the test).

We were told to indicate right until we got halfway through the roundabout, then indicate left. This is at the small roundabout in Paraparaumu at the intersection of Kapiti/Rimu Roads. Have attached a wee map - the pink circle is the roundabout and the pink arrow is the direction we went through.

So annoying as it is, going on what the testing chap told us, all these annoying people are actually indicating correctly, and if you don't indicate, you are in the wrong.

In a roundabout as small as the one I'm referring to, it only takes about 3 seconds from woe to go if you are going straight through so impossible to apply the 3 second rule unless you go through dead slow.

Perhaps one of the law enforcers on here could put us all straight on exactly what is correct?

I said in a previous post the policing on roundabouts is not that good, a good source of revenus collecting though.

My understanding is that if you go straight through a RAB you indicate left on exit only, if you are turning right you indicate right and indicate left on exiting.
LTSA 3 second rule is out the window by their admission on this. However you need to indicate left as soon as you are blocking the entrance lane before exit.

[swbarnett]

we were both pulled up for NOT indicating when going STRAIGHT THROUGH a roundabout.
From the NZ Road Code Web site (http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driving/giving-way-at-roundabouts.html):


If you are going 'straight' through a roundabout:

* don't signal as you come up to the roundabout
* signal left as you pass the exit before the one you wish to take. At some small roundabouts it may not be possible to give three seconds warning, but it is courteous to give as much indication as you can.

[Coldrider]

My understanding is that if you go straight through a RAB you indicate left on exit only, if you are turning right you indicate right and indicate left on exiting.
LTSA 3 second rule is out the window by their admission on this. However you need to indicate left as soon as you are blocking the entrance lane before exit.

Just checked the 2007 Road Code & this is correct.

You signal right if you intend to travel more than halfway round the RAB.
3 sec rule, courteous to give a smuch indication as you can.
Lane crossing also allowed for.

Mazz1972, your instructor/tester wasn't one that was on Close Up & you hadn't paid the right amount of cuurency up front.

[Jantar]

I agree BUT beg to differ about the indicating rules at roundabouts.

Hubby and I sat our restricted licence tests at the start of this year, we were both pulled up for NOT indicating when going STRAIGHT THROUGH a roundabout. (Although we still passed the test).

We were told to indicate right until we got halfway through the roundabout, then indicate left.
The testing guy was wrong, you and your hubby were both right.

Before entering a Roundabout, indicate left if you will be taking the first available exit. Indicate right if you will be taking the rightmost exit. Do Not indicate if going straight ahead.

On exiting a roundabout, indicate left for 3 seconds as soon as you have passed the exit that imediately preceeds the one you intend taking.

Do not indicate within the roundabout unless it is a multilane one and you are changing lanes, or you are indicating left because you are taking the next exit.

Simple in theory, not always so in practice. That "indicate for 3 seconds" means that on some smaller roundabouts you should technally stop within the roundabout, otherwise you may only be indicating for half a second.

[mazz1972]

The testing guy was wrong, you and your hubby were both right.

Before entering a Roundabout, indicate left if you will be taking the first available exit. Indicate right if you will be taking the rightmost exit. Do Not indicate if going straight ahead.

On exiting a roundabout, indicate left for 3 seconds as soon as you have passed the exit that imediately preceeds the one you intend taking.

Do not indicate within the roundabout unless it is a multilane one and you are changing lanes, or you are indicating left because you are taking the next exit.

Simple in theory, not always so in practice. That "indicate for 3 seconds" means that on some smaller roundabouts you should technally stop within the roundabout, otherwise you may only be indicating for half a second.

Thanks everyone for clarifying! I just looked up the Land Transport website (why didn't I do that before??!!) and it's made very clear there.

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/road-user-safety/new-road-rules/ - different page to the one referred to in a previous post.

I'm stumped as to why the tester told us otherwise....will print off a copy of that and give it to hubby in case he gets the same tester when he sits his full licence on Friday!

[mazz1972]

Just checked the 2007 Road Code & this is correct.

Mazz1972, your instructor/tester wasn't one that was on Close Up & you hadn't paid the right amount of cuurency up front.

LOL....it's a sorry situation when the testers put you crook!

[sinned]

It can sometimes be a bit tricky hitting the left indicator on a motorcycle at the appropriate time. I find this hard to do on a tight and slow roundabout - while feathering the clutch it is hard to also thumb the indicator from right to left. Yes more skill is required to master this little thing. :innocent:

Any one else find this difficult or is it just my old age? :yawn:

[Max Preload]

Any one else find this difficult or is it just my old age? :yawn:

I think the latter. I find it easier on the bike than in the car, but then the car self cancels far too easily and that drives me bonkers.

I'm not sure why you're feathering the clutch... you must be going awfully slow. Could you clarify?

[sinned]

I think the latter. I find it easier on the bike than in the car, but then the car self cancels far too easily and that drives me bonkers.

I'm not sure why you're feathering the clutch... you must be going awfully slow. Could you clarify?

Could be just me but - yes on a tight roundabout it can be slow and the last thing I want is the V engine to stall - idling speed is 12Km and revs less than 2000rpm (about 20kph) are too low.

[Max Preload]

Could be just me but - yes on a tight roundabout it can be slow and the last thing I want is the V engine to stall - idling speed is 12Km and revs less than 2000rpm (about 20kph) are too low.

More the bike then. I can literally crawl along in gear (standard gearing). Must be a mongrel in non-lane splitable traffic!

[McJim]

. I know it's illegal to drive with just your park lights on

I've never seen that law - I always drive through the day with just my park lights on in the cage for extra viz. I put the headlights on at night of course.

[Max Preload]

I've never seen that law - I always drive through the day with just my park lights on in the cage for extra viz. I put the headlights on at night of course.

It's not illegal to drive with only your position lamps on (often referred to as "park lights"), except during the legal hours of darkness.

[sinned]

More the bike then. I can literally crawl along in gear (standard gearing). Must be a mongrel in non-lane splitable traffic!

Its not too bad. Not as nice as the demo Moto Morini 9.5 that I have just returned from riding. No problems on roundabouts with this beautiful machine. I need one - just need to find $24k

[Pancakes]

What is worse (IMHO) at roundabouts is the tossers who change lanes within the roundabout....you know, start off in the outside lane, switch to the inside , then back to the outside again, all because it is too much hard work to actually drive around the thing, much easier to straighten it out! (Use an indicator - nah, don't be stupid!)

Thats me! You hate me! (everyone likes Pancakes?) Only the ones up here on Oteha Vally Rd tho. It's basically a straight two lanes each way rd with a grass median and a few round things chucked in to give it that Hamiltron feel. Fools me sometimes too, I start looking on the side of the road for a lake or passed out sluts in the gutter!

[Pancakes]

Fewer dweebs than those that drive around with one broken headlight, about the same as the ones that have (usually one) headlight so badly adjusted that it's pointing directly at your face, and more than the number of dweebs driving round with either no lights or park lights on at night.


Fuck this country needs some driver edumacation.

And all the lights heading for the sky like they're off possum spotlighting! Not in the rangie darling!

[Pancakes]

Could be just me but - yes on a tight roundabout it can be slow and the last thing I want is the V engine to stall - idling speed is 12Km and revs less than 2000rpm (about 20kph) are too low.

You need a Hyosung bro! Drives on and pulls from idle in most gears! I'll do ya a favour, pay me the gas to yours and give me dinner + beer and I'll make it a straight swap. I am a f*ckin' nice guy!

[Hitcher]

The result is you end up waiting for somebody indicating right only to find they're going straight.

Anybody else sick of this happening? Its driving me freeking nuts!

An extra two to three seconds to wait? Big deal. I like people to let me know what their turning intentions are and I'm happy to wait a bit longer to have this confirmed. Indicate in, indicate out. Wax on, wax off. It's an easy enough habit to get into.

[Goblin]

Indicate in, indicate out. Wax on, wax off. It's an easy enough habit to get into.
GAH! :thud:

[crash99]

From the NZ Road Code Web site (http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driving/giving-way-at-roundabouts.html):

Cool, and thank god someone knows the rules!! I'm also pissed off with people iindicating a right turn and then going straight ahead! Arrggghhhh!!!!! :gob:

[peasea]

I agree that its annoying .. but its not as simple rule as you seem to think. The way it was sold in papers etc to the public was that you had to indicate ... and that is what people picked up on .... not that you had to indicate to get off.

I have a different way to get off.

[peasea]

Indicate in, indicate out. Wax on, wax off. It's an easy enough habit to get into.

Indicate in? Not if you're going straight through.

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driving/giving-way-at-roundabouts.html

[Hitcher]

Indicate in? Not if you're going straight through.

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driving/giving-way-at-roundabouts.html

Depends on how "straight" straight through is.

[Madness]

An extra two to three seconds to wait? Big deal. I like people to let me know what their turning intentions are and I'm happy to wait a bit longer to have this confirmed. Indicate in, indicate out. Wax on, wax off. It's an easy enough habit to get into.

I'm an in-and-out kinda guy too. I feel it reduces my chances of being taken out by a cage not giving way by around 2%. If this inconveniences other road users I think it's a fair price for them to pay.

[Max Preload]

I'm an in-and-out kinda guy too.

That's what your mrs says! :yes::dodge:

[cowpoos]

Yum...do I have a candy bar for you!!

changed my mind...I want shurbet fizz :yes:


Yeah you been having a bad day at the office or something Poos?


time of the month...riding withdrawal!!! only a few more days to race!!! yippy!!

[CptSolo]

An extra two to three seconds to wait? Big deal. I like people to let me know what their turning intentions are and I'm happy to wait a bit longer to have this confirmed. Indicate in, indicate out. Wax on, wax off. It's an easy enough habit to get into.
Sure its only an extra second or two to wait and I can live with that, but the problem is when you have a line of traffic all waiting an extra couple seconds then bingo we have ourselves another traffic jam to add to our fine collection in Auckland.

You'd be surprised at how much an extra couple seconds per car/bike can help traffic flow.

[rwh]

Sure its only an extra second or two to wait and I can live with that, but the problem is when you have a line of traffic all waiting an extra couple seconds then bingo we have ourselves another traffic jam to add to our fine collection in Auckland.

You'd be surprised at how much an extra couple seconds per car/bike can help traffic flow.

Especially when those few seconds are enough for the car behind to come through. You can miss the only gap in the traffic for ages like that.

Richard

[Dilligaf]

Imagine the fun we could all have on this roundabout...
yes it's real - in Swindon

[Sanx]

Imagine the fun we could all have on this roundabout...
yes it's real - in Swindon

Yeah, I can't imagine these style roundabouts working in UnZud that well. There's one in my home town too, and it's remarkable how much traffic they can handle, but only when the people using them are confidant enough to use them properly. The lack of confidence / skill would immediately rule out 80% of all Auckland drivers.

[Pancakes]

Sorry guys? Who's waiting at the back of lines of traffic? This is KiwiBIKER not Kiwi-GETZ-driver?

[peasea]

Imagine the fun we could all have on this roundabout...
yes it's real - in Swindon

That looks pretty straightforward to me. Be a hassle on acid tho.

[peasea]

Yeah, I can't imagine these style roundabouts working in UnZud that well. There's one in my home town too, and it's remarkable how much traffic they can handle, but only when the people using them are confidant enough to use them properly. The lack of confidence / skill would immediately rule out 80% of all Auckland drivers.

I was going to make a racist comment but no.

[Skyryder]

I use my indicators for turning or for overtaking another car etc. I have never considered that I am performing a turn at a roundabout when if fact I am continuing on in the same line of direction. Different story if I am changing direction and turning to the left or right. As far as I am concerned a roundabout is an intersection with an island in the middle to assist the flow of traffic. I treat it no differently than any other intersection.

Skyryder

[kiwifruit]

That looks pretty straightforward to me. Be a hassle on acid tho.
lol, +1



When i'm riding i'll indicate if i think it'll help the drivers around me understand my movements.
usually i'll point at where i'm going, that sort of thing, it depends on who else is using the road etc

its all about making coonts aware of your movements / intentions

and what not

and so on and so forth

[ozrobo]

what i noticed most aucklanders barley even use the indicater and cant figure out how to drive there own fingers up there arse

[Reckless]

Thanks everyone for clarifying! I just looked up the Land Transport website (why didn't I do that before??!!) and it's made very clear there.

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/road-user-safety/new-road-rules/ - different page to the one referred to in a previous post.

I'm stumped as to why the tester told us otherwise....will print off a copy of that and give it to hubby in case he gets the same tester when he sits his full licence on Friday!

Isn't that just proof of how much of a fuck up the LTSA made of educating joe public of this law. Even the testers don't know what they are doing. He's probably been wrongly advising 10 people a day for god knows how long! Get his name report him to his boss, the twit. Imagine having to take the road code to a tester to prove your case. Friggin crazy!!!!

When I'm in my cage I always indicate properly as discribed above. When I'm riding I mostly don't bother as I'm usually only there for a second and usually wizzing into gaps between cars already on the roundabout. I bet 9 outa 10 cars wouldn't even see a bike indicater thats on for 1-2 seconds/flashes. Unless I'm going right and have to cross the entering traffic on the other side then I stick it on well before entry.

[McJim]

Been caught out in the cage before - car in front indicates right but I'm going straight. As they pass I position myself to take the straight ahead and BAM they change direction and try to ram me from my right and I'm on the Horn showing them my middle finger.

They have this dumbarse look as if to say "But but I'm supposed to indicate right to go straight ahead." Happens too often.

Tits.

[rwh]

Thanks everyone for clarifying! I just looked up the Land Transport website (why didn't I do that before??!!) and it's made very clear there.

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/road-user-safety/new-road-rules/ - different page to the one referred to in a previous post.

I'm stumped as to why the tester told us otherwise....will print off a copy of that and give it to hubby in case he gets the same tester when he sits his full licence on Friday!

You're right, it is clearer there than the road code. Just a pity it's also a stupid rule.

With that rule, if you're heading for the second exit, but it's still less than half way round, you're indicating left as you approach (and then pass) the first exit - so someone waiting to enter at that street will assume you're turning off there, and that they're clear to go.

I heard this actually happened at Hutt Park with a fire engine and a truck. Not good, especially since the fire engine was already in a hurry ...

So what I do (which I now see is technically wrong) is:

* if I'm heading for the first exit, and that's less than half, indicate left all the way through.
* if I'm heading for a subsequent exit, and it's less than or equal to half, don't indicate at the start, but indicate as I pass the exit before the one I want.
* if I'm heading for the first exit, and it's straight ahead, don't indicate as I approach, but indicate left as soon as I enter.
* if I'm heading for any exit beyond half, and there are exits before that, indicate right as I enter, then left as I pass the exit before the one I want.
* if I'm heading for the first exit, and it's more than half ... I'm not sure. Probably indicate right before I enter, then flick to left as I enter (I'm passing the previous exit at that point, right?)

Is that all the possible cases?

Of course then there's always nasty ones like the one in Seaview that has an intersection immediately after the roundabout, so if I come out of the roundabout indicating left, I look like I'm turning left as well ... I guess the rules can't fit every case, and you just have to watch what people are actually doing ...

Richard

[Max Preload]

Been caught out in the cage before - car in front indicates right but I'm going straight. As they pass I position myself to take the straight ahead and BAM they change direction and try to ram me from my right and I'm on the Horn showing them my middle finger.

They have this dumbarse look as if to say "But but I'm supposed to indicate right to go straight ahead." Happens too often.

Tits.

Yeah. There are fuckwits out there that despite being told you don't indicate right entering a roundabout when you're going straight ahead, continue to do it anyway because the "think it's better otherwise the other cars might think I've just forgotten to indicate" which causes many a near miss on multilane roundabouts.

[idb]

How many cage drivers do you see with their headlights and fog-lights on at the same time?

One here!!!

[Max Preload]

With that rule, if you're heading for the second exit, but it's still less than half way round, you're indicating left as you approach (and then pass) the first exit - so someone waiting to enter at that street will assume you're turning off there, and that they're clear to go.

No - that's not right. You do not indicate left unless you've passed the last exit you're NOT taking. That is to say, you never indicate left and not take the next exit.

[idb]

The testing guy was wrong, you and your hubby were both right.

Before entering a Roundabout, indicate left if you will be taking the first available exit. Indicate right if you will be taking the rightmost exit. Do Not indicate if going straight ahead.

On exiting a roundabout, indicate left for 3 seconds as soon as you have passed the exit that imediately preceeds the one you intend taking.

Do not indicate within the roundabout unless it is a multilane one and you are changing lanes, or you are indicating left because you are taking the next exit.

Simple in theory, not always so in practice. That "indicate for 3 seconds" means that on some smaller roundabouts you should technally stop within the roundabout, otherwise you may only be indicating for half a second.

All of which explains why I have almost had a coming-together more than once with a vehicle entering a roundabout with their left-hand indicator going but with no intention of turning left.
I was cursing them but they were right all along!!!
I need to do a "My Name Is Earl" and seek them all out and offer penance!!!

Stupid law!
I only indicate if I'm turning, that way no-one has to guess what I really mean.

[Mekk]

Hi guys, just need to vent a frustration..

People who indicate right when heading straight through a roundabout are getting on my wick.

I'd prefer they indicate right and go straight than not indicate and go right.

[swbarnett]

No - that's not right. You do not indicate left unless you've passed the last exit you're NOT taking. That is to say, you never indicate left and not take the next exit.
Actually, from a previously mentioned web page "signal a left turn before entering". Damn stupid! I wish the law did agree with you.


I'd prefer they indicate right and go straight than not indicate and go right.
That's a problem on multi-lane roundabouts. Look at the attached pic. The car pictured is indicating right (black line) but actually going straight through (red line) . The car coming from the left (blue line) going straight through can quite legitimately proceed under law on the strength of the indicator. I've done this myself and just been damn lucky that the car's indicator was accurate.

[Max Preload]

I'd prefer they indicate right and go straight than not indicate and go right.

I'd prefer they just indicated correctly. Like I do.

[Reckless]

That's a problem on multi-lane roundabouts. Look at the attached pic. The car pictured is indicating right (black line) but actually going straight through (red line) . The car coming from the left (blue line) going straight through can quite legitimately proceed under law on the strength of the indicator. I've done this myself and just been damn lucky that the car's indicator was accurate.

You are quite correct SWbarnet and the most common one of all is for the car entering (black line) to flick its indicator quickly to the left about where the red line starts. And that is also very dangerous for the blue line car. That is why everyone simply waits just like the old days when you didn't indicate when going straight through. Nothing much has changed except a lot of confusion and risk. And its all down to a piss poor effort from the LTSA to educate everyone. They should get their shit together or change it back to the old way where you gave way to everyone that had entered the roundabout.

Another piss poor beaurocratic cock up that the cops haven't got the time to deal with, but have to sort the prangs out when they happen.

[McJim]

Q. What's the difference between a Cherub on a MotoX bike that thinks he's Evel Kneivel and a cager that doesn't know how to indicate at roundabouts?

A. One is a Cupid Stunt.

:rofl::killingme

[Max Preload]

...like the old days when you didn't indicate when going straight through.

I take issue with that. I was taught by a driving instructor, through school, in '87 and we were taught to indicate in the manner as the current regulations stand now. And I don't believe this is a *new* regulation - I believe it's been simply worded like that to allow motorists who simply never knew about it to begin to comply while saving face.

[mdooher]

I take issue with that. I was taught by a driving instructor, through school, in '87 and we were taught to indicate in the manner as the current regulations stand now. And I don't believe this is a *new* regulation - I believe it's been simply worded like that to allow motorists who simply never knew about it to begin to comply while saving face.

The previous law allowed for two different types of roundabout. Some had a lane that was marked right through when going straight ahead. With this type you didn’t need to indicate at all if going straight through. The problem was hardly anyone knew the difference. Even if you knew the different laws you couldn’t tell what kind of roundabout it was till after you had been through it at least once.

[mdooher]

And its all down to a piss poor effort from the LTSA to educate everyone.

I think everyone knew there was some sort of change to the law... If a person can't be assed or is incapable of finding out for themselves what the new law is then quite frankly that person should not have the privilege of having a driving licence.

[Mekk]

That's a problem on multi-lane roundabouts. Look at the attached pic. The car pictured is indicating right (black line) but actually going straight through (red line) . The car coming from the left (blue line) going straight through can quite legitimately proceed under law on the strength of the indicator. I've done this myself and just been damn lucky that the car's indicator was accurate.

Good point, I hadn't considered multi-lane round-a-bouts.


I'd prefer they just indicated correctly. Like I do.

I'd prefer it if there weren't any cagers. In a perfect world, I'd have...

[Hitcher]

This is a pointless discussion. We all know that the real "rule" at roundabouts is "Coming through!" also known as "Get the fuck out of my way, dickhead!"

When it comes to roundabouts, might is right, not some namby-pamby right-hand rule that involves the random application of orange flashing lights. Right-of-way has always been a factor of gross laden weight, which is why kindy mums are more threatening in Pajeros than they are in a Hyundai Getz.

Questioning the finer points of the Road Code is a bit facile after one has been crushed by Susan of Herne Bay in her Hummer.

[Max Preload]

The previous law allowed for two different types of roundabout. Some had a lane that was marked right through when going straight ahead. With this type you didn’t need to indicate at all if going straight through. The problem was hardly anyone knew the difference. Even if you knew the different laws you couldn’t tell what kind of roundabout it was till after you had been through it at least once.

I've always indicated left before exiting a roundabout regardless of whether I was in the left lane marked as only a straight though lane with either a flush or raised median - it assures the cars at the next entry that you're indeed going to exit as you're supposed to. And having recently been involved in the remarking of Aucklands major roundabouts, that's only just now becoming a prevalent design.

[mdooher]

...that's only just now becoming a prevalent design.

Ahhhh you haven't seen the infamous 2 lane Andersons Bay rouda-manhole in Dunedin...Marked straight through cos it is mechanically impossible for anyone to flick their indicators that fast :gob:

[Reckless]

I think everyone knew there was some sort of change to the law... If a person can't be assed or is incapable of finding out for themselves what the new law is then quite frankly that person should not have the privilege of having a driving licence.

I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree. Although I do except your point. But if you change something we do every day, when there is no re evaluation/training process in place until you are sixty than the onus is on the ltsa to keep educating intil at least the majority have a grip of it. Jeepers Mrs whoever who takes her kids to school every day wouldn't have a clue. Let alone all the semi english speaking people who need even more help.

I think it has been very very poorly introduced. The proof is in the over 50% who can't get it right.

Not change it, Give a 2 week (or what ever it was) TV campaign and then let Kaos take care of the rest.

[mdooher]

I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree.

yep guess so.:mellow: I'm one of those people who think the driving test should be a lot tougher (same with a test to allow you to vote) I would like to see it more like the tests you need to pass to fly a plane.... Yeah I know it will never happen, not PC and all. But just think, 90% of drivers would not be allowed on the road so there would be good public transport and plenty of room for you and me to ride:yes:

[mbazza]

I never trust cages at round abouts, try to distance myself from them as we approach. I find clear space where I can and hope to get through ok. They work well when all drivers / riders behave themselves. Cheers. :angry:

[Skyryder]

Have not read all of this thread but the Road Code states very clearly

Before entering a roundabout you must indicate if you are intending to exit left or right – if you’re going straight ahead, """""don’t""""" indicate.


That's what I do.

[Coldrider]

Have not read all of this thread but the Road Code states very clearly

Before entering a roundabout you must indicate if you are intending to exit left or right – if you’re going straight ahead, """""don’t""""" indicate.


That's what I do.
Hi Skyryder, suggest you read the rest of the thread, :scooter:

[Skyryder]

Hi Skyryder, suggest you read the rest of the thread, :scooter:

I did and some think you have to indicate even when you are not turning.

This is from the LTNZ site on Giving signals.

Giving signals

Signals enable you to tell other road users that you are changing your direction or position on the road. Because of this, knowing when and how to give signals is a very important part of being a safe driver.

Drivers usually signal using their indicators.
When to give signals

You must signal for at least three seconds before you:

* turn left or right
* move towards the left or right (for example, when you pull back into the left lane after passing another vehicle)
* stop or slow down
* move out:
o from a parking space
o to pass another vehicle
o to change lanes.


Absolutely nothing on signaling when going straight thorugh on a roundabout. So there are 'two' rules on signaliing and neither mention about signalling on 'exiting' a roundabout. One specifically states that you do not need to signal when going straight through on a roundabout. My wife's a JP and this has casued some confusion within these these circles. I can remember reading in one of her mags that JP's get stating exacty what my post has said. You do not have to signal when going straight through a roundabout. In law it is an intersection and there is no statute defining a roundabout any different than a normal one. The LTNZ have fucked up and have not told NZ. The island is there to facilitate the flow of traffic.

Skyyrder

[Coldrider]

Yes, there is alot of confusion, the road code treats going straight through as turning left on that exit.

[pzkpfw]

For those new to N.Z. :...

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/overseasdrivers/overview-nz-road-rules.html

Think of leaving the roundabout as turning left off it. There is no "going straight through".

[bell]

You do not have to signal when going straight through a roundabout. The island is there to facilitate the flow of traffic.

Despite Skyryder having it wrong his post raises another issue - traffic flow.

Indicating your intentions is a basic courtesy to the other road users that are about to enter the roundabout you're on.

Traffic flows poorly on a roundabout when people don't communicate their intentions - either by indicating left when they are leaving, or indicating right when they are turning.

The "straight through" argument is a no-brainer.

As I approach the roundabout (basic 4 entrances/exits type), on the opposite side there are probably vehicles that are waiting for my signal to assist them in deciding whether to enter it or not.
- I give a left signal after the 1st exit and they can be fairly happy that I'm not going to turn across them...they enter the roundabout and we have traffic flowing well.
- I'm giving a right signal and they are hopefully going to wait and give way.

If I don't signal at all then that other traffic either have to wait/hesitate/slow down excessively in case I'm one of these fools that don't bother to indicate their right turn (or maybe they have indicated right but their bulb is blown...). Once again, poor traffic flow. Given that they are now technically on the roundabout I have to give way to them.

Traffic flow is equally screwed up when people don't give a signal at all when they are turning left. The vehicle approaching/waiting at the 1st exit is counting on a left signal to allow them to move onto the roundabout or, upon seeing no signal they need to assume that they are going straight through or maybe turning right.

If we all showed more courtesy and a bit of foresight on roundabouts we would not be having this discussion.

[MD]

Despite Skyryder having it wrong his post raises another issue - traffic flow.

Indicating your intentions is a basic courtesy to the other road users that are about to enter the roundabout you're on.

Traffic flows poorly on a roundabout when people don't communicate their intentions - either by indicating left when they are leaving, or indicating right when they are turning.

The "straight through" argument is a no-brainer.

As I approach the roundabout (basic 4 entrances/exits type), on the opposite side there are probably vehicles that are waiting for my signal to assist them in deciding whether to enter it or not.
- I give a left signal after the 1st exit and they can be fairly happy that I'm not going to turn across them...they enter the roundabout and we have traffic flowing well.
- I'm giving a right signal and they are hopefully going to wait and give way.

If I don't signal at all then that other traffic either have to wait/hesitate/slow down excessively in case I'm one of these fools that don't bother to indicate their right turn (or maybe they have indicated right but their bulb is blown...). Once again, poor traffic flow. Given that they are now technically on the roundabout I have to give way to them.

Traffic flow is equally screwed up when people don't give a signal at all when they are turning left. The vehicle approaching/waiting at the 1st exit is counting on a left signal to allow them to move onto the roundabout or, upon seeing no signal they need to assume that they are going straight through or maybe turning right.

If we all showed more courtesy and a bit of foresight on roundabouts we would not be having this discussion.

Spot on. please feel free to share a roundabout with me. It's all the other ignorant pricks that annoy me.

There are selected places on our road network where you are guaranteed to never ever come across the Police - at any city roundabout. I'm surprised crims haven't cottoned on to this total void of police at roundabouts. You could set up an open air p-labs in the middle of any city roundabout, plus run a brothel and tinny house and operate for years without being detected.
It's like a twilight zone.
Next time I get a ticket doing 111kph on the motorway Í'm going to use the defence that I thought I was at a roundabout. Cop; Oh, you thought you were near a roundabout. Well that's different then. On your way and please don't report me for stopping you.

[kevie]

you think the right hand indicators that are going strait through are annoying for you guys LMAO try it in a 20 metre rig weighing in at around 44 tonne, and giving way to a car that has right indicator on only to see it go strait ahead and you miss the chance once again to get the rig rolling and into the roundabout.

Its was really funny seing the new regulations ....as I was taught to drive in 1969 by a Wanganui traffic officer that was also a driving instructor (Don Williams) and in 1969 he taught me to indicate correctly at roundabouts .... in exactly the same way the law has recently decided it should be done .... its actually a dam good system if people would understand and use it.
When comming to roundabout, you wish to go left, indicate left as you approach.... going right? indicate right as you approach then as you pass the exit BEFORE the intended exit you wish to take, change indicator to left and then take the exit.
But to go strait through ... DONT indicate as you are entering the roundabout and turn on the left indicator as you pass the exit before the one you intend to take.

SIMPLE is it not?????
But then .... I done the National Cert in Commercial Heavy Road Transport and was initially failed because 1/ too much use of the indicator 2/ refusing to change my driving to that recomended by the instructor (he had ordered me to forget road courtesy and common sence and drive according to the law and nothing more)
If thats a sample of what these guys are teaching drivers ..... no wonder us bikers and other road users are getting maimed and killed on our roads.

[Max Preload]

Its was really funny seing the new regulations ....as I was taught to drive in 1969 by a Wanganui traffic officer that was also a driving instructor (Don Williams) and in 1969 he taught me to indicate correctly at roundabouts .... in exactly the same way the law has recently decided it should be done .... its actually a dam good system if people would understand and use it.

I too was taught exactly as the so-called "new" regulation is saying. By a driving instructor in 1988. Anyone else see a pattern? Is it time people had to learn to drive properly, through a competent instructor? (I emphasize competent because of that Target show where only 2 of the 5 driving instructors could drive a manual and only one was not a recent immigrant with a strong accent...)

[Max Preload]

I posted this (http://www.engineers.auckland.ac.nz/~psco036/roundabout.jpg) in this thread before the crash and it was lost.

For those struggling with the concept, for our sake print it out and stick it on your dash.

[Hitcher]

I still don't see what's wrong with indicating right then left when entering a roundabout to go "straight" through. It's all about communicating intentions, right?

[McJim]

I still don't see what's wrong with indicating right then left when entering a roundabout to go "straight" through. It's all about communicating intentions, right?

Respectfully....

a/ It's illegal
b/ It is all about indicating your intention so why indicate right when you have no intention to turn right?

In a way you answered your own question.

[Reckless]

Hitch the whole idea is about flow and if you indicate right and don't intend to go that far around, the guy on the opposite side who is waiting to go straight through thinks you are going to turn infront of him, and he waits for you. Until you bail out and quickly flick your indicator to the left when he could have takin off as you where entering or just after. And that is what annoys the rest of us perhaps more than not indicating at all.

[Skyryder]

I still don't see what's wrong with indicating right then left when entering a roundabout to go "straight" through. It's all about communicating intentions, right?

So is not indicating at all. Anywhere else it means that you are not turning, so why confuse the issue on a roundabout. Look at what has happened since this 'so called' new law. Dipsticks indicating any way but where they are going.

Skyryder

[Hitcher]

Hitch the whole idea is about flow and if you indicate right and don't intend to go that far around, the guy on the opposite side who is waiting to go straight through thinks you are going to turn infront of him, and he waits for you. Until you bail out and quickly flick your indicator to the left when he could have takin off as you where entering or just after. And that is what annoys the rest of us perhaps more than not indicating at all.

How is he to know if I am not indicating what my intentions are? He assumes I am going straight ahead, moves off, only to wear me in his driver's door because I was actually planning to go right but wasn't indicating? What a fucktard he'd feel then!

[Reckless]

Jeepers you guys!

Ok then! Take the words "perhaps more than not indicating at all." off the end.

And then re read! I only said it because thats the other main problem at roundabouts not because I meant to do it.
Bloody hell you guys lookin for a scrap or what! Have a nice day!:innocent:

[Max Preload]

How is he to know if I am not indicating what my intentions are? He assumes I am going straight ahead, moves off, only to wear me in his driver's door because I was actually planning to go right but wasn't indicating? What a fucktard he'd feel then!

If you're indicating right from the right lane on a multilane roundabout and go straight through you've been telling the car at the next entry in the left lane that they're ok to go when in fact they're not. Indicate properly. How hard is it, really?

[bikemike]

If you're on a tiddlywink then yes, as per Hitcher, indicating right when planning to go straight through can be a lifesaver. However, I find it's needed very rarely, and when that close, a hand signal to clarify works better. All other times, indicate as per the law requires, which makes complete sense anyway. (Except for the 3 second rule which is nonsense - indicate from when and for as long as is possible, safe and necessary)

As with speed signs and guidelines, I use all these with a pinch of salt. If you read the road and communicate your intentions rather than your knowledge of the law then you will live longer. The law in these areas is really only there to advise those who lack the common sense.

Stop complaining about indicator switches, get a BMW, huge thumb paddles :-)

[denill]

Hi guys, just need to vent a frustration..

People who indicate right when heading straight through a roundabout are getting on my wick.

Probably a year or two ago the law changed making it compulsary to indicate when coming off a roundabout, eg. turning right you indicate right going round the island and then when approaching your exit you indicate left. A good and simple rule to help traffic flow, but somehow a lot of people seem to have interpreted this to mean you must also indicate right when you are going straight through. Not the case, if you are going straight through you only need to indicate left when coming off the roundabout (right?!). The result is you end up waiting for somebody indicating right only to find they're going straight.

Anybody else sick of this happening? Its driving me freeking nuts!

Hey mate. Spot on - but you're pissing into the wind. The wankers who don't understand what you have written are the same ones you have to watch out for on the roads as they are the ones who will take you out! They don't or can't think. Just be VERY careful out there.

[Grahameeboy]

I still don't see what's wrong with indicating right then left when entering a roundabout to go "straight" through. It's all about communicating intentions, right?

But But...Right indicator means turning right.............

[Grahameeboy]

How is he to know if I am not indicating what my intentions are? He assumes I am going straight ahead, moves off, only to wear me in his driver's door because I was actually planning to go right but wasn't indicating? What a fucktard he'd feel then!

So in that case don't complain when a driver moves lanes without indicating.............

[Goblin]

So in that case don't complain when a driver moves lanes without indicating.............Or starts reversing without indicating.

[Grahameeboy]

Or starts reversing without indicating.

That too..................or brakes without indicating.......

[denill]

Jeepers you guys!

Ok then! Take the words "perhaps more than not indicating at all." off the end.

And then re read! I only said it because thats the other main problem at roundabouts not because I meant to do it.
Bloody hell you guys lookin for a scrap or what! Have a nice day!:innocent:


Can I suggest - everyone puts on their hazard lights at a roundabout. Cos that's how it is.

FFS if you're going straight ahead, just do it! Don't try and be TOOO smart.

[denill]

How is he to know if I am not indicating what my intentions are? He assumes I am going straight ahead, moves off, only to wear me in his driver's door because I was actually planning to go right but wasn't indicating? What a fucktard he'd feel then!

Ya lost me there. As did the guy who wore you in his drivers door?

[Goblin]

Can I suggest - everyone puts on their hazard lights. Cos that's how it is.
:niceone: I'm gunna do that! :laugh:

[kevie]

Hitch the whole idea is about flow and if you indicate right and don't intend to go that far around, the guy on the opposite side who is waiting to go straight through thinks you are going to turn infront of him, and he waits for you. Until you bail out and quickly flick your indicator to the left when he could have takin off as you where entering or just after. And that is what annoys the rest of us perhaps more than not indicating at all.

This is sooooo true ... I drive a 20 metre Scania truck and trailor unit, and at over 40 tonne it takes a while to get the beast rolling even tho it is a 500HP V8 Turbo.... when motorists enter the roundabout indicating right we naturally stop to give way to them, then they switch to left and exit before they reach us .... an opportunity to go is lost and this causes often huge delays for traffic behind the rigs.
incidentally of 10 cop cars I have seen at roundabouts only 2 of them indicated correctly so its not just the motorists that get it wrong !

And re the driving instructors ....I FAILED the Nat cert in commercial heavy road transport .... why ??? ..... because I refused to drive as instructed ..... I drive using a ballance of common sence, courtesy and the law... that was apparently a nono as I must drive ONLY according to the law .... if this is how drivers are taught no wonder we have a killing feild on the roads.
I do over 300,000km a year, have held drivers licences for 38 years and NEVER had an at fault road traffic accident! Im proud of that and give total credit to Don Williams who taught me initially to drive.

[Goblin]

... if this is how drivers are taught no wonder we have a killing feild on the roads.But it's SPEED that kills...not a lack of common sense.

A lawyer once told me that you can throw ALL common sense out the window when it comes to law.

[Max Preload]

Probably a year or two ago the law changed making it compulsary to indicate when coming off a roundabout, eg. turning right you indicate right going around the island and then when approaching your exit you indicate left.

Nothing changed - they just said that to make stupid people who never obeyed the rules or were never taught properly a face-saving out. "Oh - that's a new rule!". I was taught to indicate on roundabouts exactly the same way in '87 by a driving instructor.

Oh, and you should indicate left as soon as you're passing the last exit that you're not taking.

[Max Preload]

Or starts reversing without indicating.


So in that case don't complain when a driver moves lanes without indicating.............

Or sits parked on the left, with the wheels turned right, indicating right while you're approaching on the bike as happened to me yesterday. And these retards wondered why I slowed to a crawl and blipped the horn - how the fuck am I supposed to know they've seen me when they're giving all the signals of an immediately impending u-turn right in front of me? :angry2:

[denill]

This is sooooo true ... I drive a 20 metre Scania truck and trailor unit, and at over 40 tonne it takes a while to get the beast rolling even tho it is a 500HP V8 Turbo.... when motorists enter the roundabout indicating right we naturally stop to give way to them, then they switch to left and exit before they reach us .... an opportunity to go is lost and this causes often huge delays for traffic behind the rigs.


Hey Hitch and you other dudes with over-active R/H indicators. Pleeeaase read Kevies post again and think carefully that it just may make sense. :bash::bash:

If you're goin straight ahead, just do it. Don't make a meal of it.

[Hitcher]

Hey Hitch and you other dudes with over-active R/H indicators. Pleeeaase read Kevies post again and think carefully that it just may make sense.

If you're goin straight ahead, just do it. Don't make a meal of it.

This is nonsense. By "over-indicating" as some people call it, everybody knows what we are doing. A truckie or any other approaching motorist knows exactly what we have planned and is then better able to plan their approach and maintain momentum -- more so that if we didn't indicate at all, or the minimalist approach advocated by some and the Road Code.

[denill]

This is nonsense. By "over-indicating" as some people call it, everybody knows what we are doing. A truckie or any other approaching motorist knows exactly what we have planned and is then better able to plan their approach and maintain momentum -- more so that if we didn't indicate at all, or the minimalist approach advocated by some and the Road Code.

You're kidding yourself and as you are blinkered Hitch I don't expect to change anything. But FFS, if you signal with your right indicator most expect you to turn right. But you don't. :doh::doh: You never were - but only you knew that. You go straight ahead? And the guy at the next entrance to the roundabout has still got his brakes on, all cos of you Hitch. Ya got another one Hitch. You didn't really read kevies post did ya?

I give up!

[Hitcher]

I give up!

Me too. There is none so blind as those who can't read Braille with a hook. Under your scenario nobody should indicate at all. I can't see any difference between somebody who indicates right and then left, to somebody who doesn't indicate (are they, aren't they?) and then continues to go right anyway. Eyes, I think they called. And they're generally connected by an optic nerve to a brain.

But hey, I don't like people on buses stabbing their fellow passengers with 25cm-long blades either. I guess I'm just hopelessly out of step with what others consider reasonable. Poor me.

[jrandom]

But hey, I don't like people on buses stabbing their fellow passengers with 25cm-long blades either. I guess I'm just hopelessly out of step with what others consider reasonable. Poor me.

An unnaturally acidic comment for you of an evening, old boy. I prescribe a little of the Speyside malt.

For what it's worth, I find myself unable to generate much strong feeling in either direction regarding the 'over-indicating' debate. I, personally, tend not to indicate upon entry when the exit is definitely straight ahead, but I don't castigate those who do indicate right in such situations.

People who indicate misleadingly, or not at all, though, irritate me no end.

[bmz2]

the law is an ass , what ever happened to the roundabout law , the vechile in the roundabout has right away at all times, yes indication is required if turning left or right , but when not changing direction , the size of nz roundabouts are in somecases to small to correctly indicate and when going straight at a roundabout, time you get to the indication point you are though the otherside before the indicator operates,you may get one flash, it all looks good in the pictures, so to make this law work you must slow down to a speed that will allow you to exit the r/bout, that will take you 3 seconds from the last lane on you left to the exit point ,SO SLOW DOWN IN ROUNDABOUTS AND HOLD TRAFFIC UP:buggerd::spanking::argue:

[denill]

Me too. There is none so blind as those who can't read Braille with a hook. Under your scenario nobody should indicate at all.

Dunno if you're blind or not but you're not a mind reader. Under my scenario - if I turn left, I use the left turn indicator - If I turn right, I use the right turn indicator - If I'm going straight ahead, I don't use any indicators. :headbang:

[boomer]

Sure its only an extra second or two to wait and I can live with that, but the problem is when you have a line of traffic all waiting an extra couple seconds then bingo we have ourselves another traffic jam to add to our fine collection in Auckland.

You'd be surprised at how much an extra couple seconds per car/bike can help traffic flow.

stop ya whinning; i bet YOU a $1000 you've over looked or broken the law somewhere along the line... how many people have u pissed of?!

get over it.

and for the record, i indicate all the time.. even when i'm not turning! :D and when i'm not indicating it's cos i'm going too fast

[Max Preload]

This is nonsense. By "over-indicating" as some people call it, everybody knows what we are doing. A truckie or any other approaching motorist knows exactly what we have planned and is then better able to plan their approach and maintain momentum -- more so that if we didn't indicate at all, or the minimalist approach advocated by some and the Road Code.

If you're in the right lane of a multilane roundabout, indicating right but wanting to go straight, I hope someone in the left lane at the next entry sees you, correctly assumes you're going right and pull out across your intended, but not indicated, path. Maybe then you'll learn why you don't indicate right when going straight through a roundabout. :rolleyes: :brick:

[Hitcher]

If you're in the right lane of a multilane roundabout, indicating right but wanting to go straight, I hope someone in the left lane at the next entry sees you, correctly assumes you're going right and pull out across your intended, but not indicated, path. Maybe then you'll learn why you don't indicate right when going straight through a roundabout.

Or choose the correct lane to be in. Anybody who sprints from the inner ring across the outer ring to exit, whether indicating left or not, deserves everything they get.

I've never had a problem with ambiguity. Get over it.

[Max Preload]

Or choose the correct lane to be in. Anybody who sprints from the inner ring across the outer ring to exit, whether indicating left or not, deserves everything they get.

I've never had a problem with ambiguity. Get over it.

You've obviously never seen a multilane roundabout because it's clear you don't even know what you're talking about. You don't move to the left lane to exit - that defeats the purpose of multiple lanes. You do however have to cross the outer lane at some point to exit, just as you had to cross it to enter. It's nothing to do with being in the wrong lane. As per the picture attached.

So wise up and get with the program or end up road fodder.

[denill]

Or choose the correct lane to be in. Anybody who sprints from the inner ring across the outer ring to exit, whether indicating left or not, deserves everything they get..
Talk about designing your argument? :argh: So how do you suppose one gets from the inner ring then?


I've never had a problem with ambiguity. Get over it.
Ambiguity? A good example is: Indicating you're turning right, when you have no intention of turning right.
And the "get over it:? is one to take from that - "agree with you"? :2guns:

[denill]

So wise up and get with the program or end up road fodder.

It is a source of amazement that we have so few accidents. Obviously there are a reasonable number of defensive drivers to compensate for the Hitchers out there.

[Max Preload]

So how do you suppose one gets from the inner ring then?

You don't. If you enter the roundabout in the "wrong" lane you must stay on there, circling for eternity. That'll learn us!

[pzkpfw]

You don't. If you enter the roundabout in the "wrong" lane you must stay on there, circling for eternity. That'll learn us!

These people all indicated right...

[bmz2]

now i know way bikers and bikes go missing , i throught it was about roundabouts, but no it's the devils triangle:clap::crazy::shit:once you get in it you can never get out, it just pulls you around and around:eek::rofl:

[Swoop]

These people all indicated right...
Interestingly enough, the traffic entering the roundabout has right of way!

These lads filmed for 3 hours, waiting for an accident to occur... No luck though! Maybe the froggies can drive:scratch:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1186784&postcount=1

[Hitcher]

Maybe the froggies can drive

Well Kiwis can't. And having an over-regulated set of rules and restrictions doesn't help. One of the first casualties of over-regulation is good old-fashioned commonsense and courtesy.

[denill]

Maybe the froggies can drive:scratch:


One of the enthralling aspects of Paris was the traffic behaviour. Looking down from the roundabout around the Arc de Triomph in particular. Not just me, everyone would be saying, "Ooooh, look a that"! Fascinating. It was like watching motorised ballet. Never saw any dings in the time we were there.

And yes, there is courtesy like we will never see in NZud. The driver whose nose is in front, sometimes just slightly, gets the RoW. Same in Bali. Really it is neat to drive in that environment - if ya know where you're goin. No place for a Nana to drive.

[roogazza]

Right that does it ! I'm off to Paris, and i hope it's warmer than here ? G. :2thumbsup

[denill]

And yes, there is courtesy like we will never see in NZud. The driver whose nose is in front, sometimes just slightly, gets the RoW.

I should have said - courtesy is better than NZ in every country I've been to, - except for Melbourne. When ever I drive there anyhow? Those guys DON'T take prisoners. Even the Taxi driver agreed that Melbourne drivers play rough.

[Skyryder]

If you're in the right lane of a multilane roundabout, indicating right but wanting to go straight, I hope someone in the left lane at the next entry sees you, correctly assumes you're going right and pull out across your intended, but not indicated, path. Maybe then you'll learn why you don't indicate right when going straight through a roundabout. :rolleyes: :brick:

Absolutely. The road code is clear on this and for the likes of me I can not figure out why anyone would indicate when they are they are going straight through. Even if you have passed the left turning exit you road position says that you are not turning. If there is any doubt on the part of other vehicle then they should exercise the 'defensive driving technique of applying caution.

The only time you indicate when not turning is that if the main road swings to the right or left and the side road goes straight ahead. If you are leaving the main road and entering a side road that needs no change in direction then you indicate.

Skyryder

[denill]

Absolutely. The road code is clear on this and for the likes of me I can not figure out why anyone would indicate when they are they are going straight through. Even if you have passed the left turning exit you road position says that you are not turning. If there is any doubt on the part of other vehicle then they should exercise the 'defensive driving technique of applying caution.

The only time you indicate when not turning is that if the main road swings to the right or left and the side road goes straight ahead. If you are leaving the main road and entering a side road that needs no change in direction then you indicate.

Skyryder

Very well couched. Well said Mate. :clap: :clap:

[pzkpfw]

The road code is clear on this and for the likes of me I can not figure out why anyone would indicate when they are they are going straight through.

My copy of the road code (199x) is quite clear on indicating your exit on roundabouts.



The only time you indicate when not turning is that if the main road swings to the right or left and the side road goes straight ahead. If you are leaving the main road and entering a side road that needs no change in direction then you indicate.

Stop thinking about "going straight through" at a roundabout.

Think about it as entering the roundabout, and then exiting the roundabout. The roundabout is just like a really long road with lots of roads off to the left.

Then, it's not such a different situation as your own example:

The only time you indicate when not turning is that if the main road swings to the right or left and the side road goes straight ahead.

The only time you indicate when not turning is that if the roundabout swings to the right and the exit goes straight ahead.


(The small size of some roundabouts makes it a bit harder; and these are the ones where it is even worse when some people indicate right when entering, if intending to take the second exit.)

[Usarka]

A driver entering a roundabout—
(a) who intends to leave at the first exit after entering the
roundabout, must signal a left turn before entering:
(b) who intends to leave more than half-way around the
roundabout, must signal a right turn before entering.

If you indicate right and are taking an exit that is half way around or less you are making up your own rules and are directly contributing to the "nobody knows how to indicate at roundabouts" confusion.

[scracha]

FFS it ain't rocket science.

If you're taking an exit past 12 o'clock you switch on your right indicator before entering the roundabout (and take the right entrance lane if there's more than one unless road markings direct you otherwise, make sure you get into the left hand lane in a safe manner prior to your exit)

After you have passed the exit prior to your intended exit you switch on your left indicator. If your exit is the first one then you indicate left prior to entering the roundabout.

There's even pretty diagrams in the road code book thingie.


Even more annoying than the indicator clowns are :-
a) folk who ALWAYS slow right down or stop just before entering a roundabout. FFS, the whole point of them is to improve traffic flow.
b) folk who drive/ride onto the roundabout and keep looking to the right. Look where you're going dumbarses otherwise you'll drive into the back of the car you thought had just moved off in front of you.

[Swoop]

My copy of the road code (199x)
Needs updating.

[denill]

Even more annoying than the indicator clowns are :-
a) folk who ALWAYS slow right down or stop just before entering a roundabout. FFS, the whole point of them is to improve traffic flow.
b) folk who drive/ride onto the roundabout and keep looking to the right. Look where you're going dumbarses otherwise you'll drive into the back of the car you thought had just moved off in front of you.

And I've been THAT close to tailgating nanas who move off when it's clear. I'm looking to the right to make sure nothing's coming - and then they stop :headbang:

But yep, it would be my fault. <_<<_<

Just something else to watch out for!

[pzkpfw]

Needs updating.

Sure (maybe), but the point was that the bit on roundabouts (yes, way back then) is just the same as it is now. Just like here (for people "new" to New Zealand): http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/overseasdrivers/overview-nz-road-rules.html

Are you saying skyrider was correct when saying: "The road code is clear on this..."?

[bell]

Even if you have passed the left turning exit your road position says that you are not turning. If there is any doubt on the part of other vehicle then they should exercise the 'defensive driving technique of applying caution.

If only it was that simple.

The defensive driver is the poor sod sitting at the other side of the roundabout waiting to enter it, but hesitating, because they are
scanning for your left indicator to give them visual confirmation that you're not about to make a right turn across them AND haven't signalled right upon entry.

The "flow" of the traffic behind them is disrupted as they would have been pretty safe to move onto the roundabout if you'd been telling them (with your left indicator) that you had no intention of turning right across them!

The defensive driver is never going to assume that the road position of a vehicle is a foolproof indication of its intentions to travel in a particular direction.

Why, just yesterday I was towing a small digger behind my ute and approaching a roundabout. Approaching the roundabout on my right are two marked lanes: one to turn left from and the other to go straight through. I predicted that the (fuckwitted) Courier van driver whose vehicle was clearly in the "Left turn" lane was going too fast to turn so I slowed even more for my right turn. Sure as eggs he went straight through!

Apply caution indeed. Second guess everyone else's intentions on the road and you've got a better chance of making it home safely.

[rphenix]

It is a source of amazement that we have so few accidents. Obviously there are a reasonable number of defensive drivers to compensate for the Hitchers out there.

Unfortunately in New Zealand you cant really move onto the roundabout until you know you can accelerate away from the driver who doesn't indicate properly or you can read the wheel direction well enough to see the person really is exiting and not continuing on the round about!

[Grahameeboy]

There are not really than many roundabouts in NZ so not surprising drivers struggle..........

[Hitcher]

There are not really than many roundabouts in NZ so not surprising drivers struggle...

There are thousands of them. The Roundabout bird has shat in the middle of nearly intersection in the Hutt Valley. Mayor Ogden must have been collecting too much in the way of rates.

[Grahameeboy]

There are thousands of them. The Roundabout bird has shat in the middle of nearly intersection in the Hutt Valley. Mayor Ogden must have been collecting too much in the way of rates.

I think you are exagerating Sir........

[Grahameeboy]

There are thousands of them. The Roundabout bird has shat in the middle of nearly intersection in the Hutt Valley. Mayor Ogden must have been collecting too much in the way of rates.

What bird do you reckon shat this one out..............you thought you had probs??

[Grahameeboy]

There are thousands of them. The Roundabout bird has shat in the middle of nearly intersection in the Hutt Valley. Mayor Ogden must have been collecting too much in the way of rates.

or a better view

[Hitcher]

or a better view

Swindon? No, I don't think that is in the Hutt Valley. I could be wrong though.

[Grahameeboy]

Swindon? No, I don't think that is in the Hutt Valley. I could be wrong though.

Silly boy....I know, was just trying to make you feel better........

[yungatart]

There are not really than many roundabouts in NZ so not surprising drivers struggle..........

Aah ha! You have yet to visit Hastings then, or Havelock North, where the traffic entering the roundabout has right of way over traffic already on it????

[denill]

or a better view

Shiiit. Now that would be a bit of a mightmare when approached for the first time. :crybaby: Although it probably works well. It seems to solve? the problem discussed earlier - of exiting the roundabout from the inside lane?

[denill]

Dunno about you guys, but I reckon Roundabouts are great. They allow traffic to flow on demand. They are the ideal preference to the mindless traffic lights, where no matter if there is no traffic, ya wait n wait for your phase to come up. :2guns::2guns:

[Goblin]

Hehehe...I just went straight ahead through three consecutive round abouts with my hazard lights on.:whistle: Should have seen the looks on peoples faces:eek5: :clap:

[swbarnett]

They are the ideal preference to the mindless traffic lights,
Not to mention the level crossing I was at today. A train triggers the barriers when it's in the station! Endless queues while the driver has lunch or something.

Asquith Ave., Mt Albert, for the locals.

[peasea]

Hehehe...I just went straight ahead through three consecutive round abouts with my hazard lights on.:whistle: Should have seen the looks on peoples faces:eek5: :clap:

That's just being silly
...and I like it.

[peasea]

Dunno about you guys, but I reckon Roundabouts are great. They allow traffic to flow on demand. They are the ideal preference to the mindless traffic lights, where no matter if there is no traffic, ya wait n wait for your phase to come up. :2guns::2guns:

Agreed. I can't understand why traffic lights can't 'go with the flow', we certainly have the technology to make them do it and they rarely seem to phase 'as a team', for want of a better expression. At the Tristram Ave interchange (dogs breakfast) people often have to sit through a green pahse because an opposing red has filled the entrace road, often spilling into the intersection and also jamming Wairau Road.

I thought entering an intersection without a clear exit was an offence; the cops would make a real killing down there, especially on Saturdays, but that's only part of the problem, the light phasing is abysmal.

No, you can't complain about the traffic engineering down there!

[Krusti]

No wonder some folks here have trouble with indicating at roundabouts when it takes more than 155 posts to try to explain how to.....:lol:

[denill]

No wonder some folks here have trouble with indicating at roundabouts when it takes more than 155 posts to try to explain how to.....:lol:

Sometimes - it takes time :crybaby::crybaby:

[Max Preload]

I thought entering an intersection without a clear exit was an offence

It is - as I recall "You may not enter an intersection if your path across or exit from it is blocked by stationary vehicles". But as we all know, as long as they're not 'speeding' they'll be ignored... <_<

[pzkpfw]

"You may not enter an intersection if your path across or exit from it is blocked by stationary vehicles".

Where it's really bad they paint those yellow cross-hatches all over the intersection. (Fun in the rain on a bike?)

I wonder if that makes people think it's not an issue, when the cross-hatches are not painted on an intersection?

(Similar to why the WCC started removing "turning vehicles give way to pedestrians" signs - drivers tended to think they didn't have to, when there were no signs.)

[Rosie]

(Similar to why the WCC started removing "turning vehicles give way to pedestrians" signs - drivers tended to think they didn't have to, when there were no signs.)

Rotorua drivers don't think they have to, even when there are signs :pinch:

[yungatart]

Rotorua drivers don't think they have to, even when there are signs :pinch:

New Zealand drivers don't think...period!

[roogazza]

Dunno about you guys, but I reckon Roundabouts are great. They allow traffic to flow on demand. They are the ideal preference to the mindless traffic lights, where no matter if there is no traffic, ya wait n wait for your phase to come up. :2guns::2guns:

Last time I commented on Roundabouts I got red rep and a sour pm !
I don't think the person in question was willing to make allowances for my vast age and difficulty with change ? ( I'm not aware of causing any bingles in roundabouts in 43 yrs ????) Gaz. :drool:

[rwh]

It is - as I recall "You may not enter an intersection if your path across or exit from it is blocked by stationary vehicles".

Right - so as long as the traffic blocking the way is moving, however slowly, you're fine ...

Richard

[denill]

Last time I commented on Roundabouts I got red rep and a sour pm ! Gaz. :drool:

Hey Gaz. Wonder if ya red repper has followed the thread? If so he/she should be a bit embarrased - as the consensus here has been well and truly agreeing with your opinion! :2thumbsup

[Max Preload]

New Zealand drivers don't think...period!

Ugh. Did you see 'the game'? *drags knuckles off into the mist*