Personal responsibility, what's happened?

[Mr Merde]

I have noticed that there are a number of threads on this site that ultimately come down to being responsible for ones own decisions and actions.

I also note that there are as many voices on one side as the other.

I feel like a dinosaur.

I was raised by a father and mother who instilled upon me a belief that in the end it is I and I alone who is responsible for my own actions and decisions.

Those situations that I have absolutely no control over are someone elses problem but anything I can influence is mine.

Why should I be able to blame my upbringing, my schooling, my ancestory, the government, their agencies or anyone else when I was the person who actually made the decision or performed the act. Right or wrong I will have to live with it.

Todays society finds it so easy to lay blame on everything else rather than the individual.

If I walk down the road and trip on the curb, why should I be able to sue (seen it in the UK) when I should have been aware of my environment and watching for hazards. Why if I flee from the police in a chase and get hurt or killed should the blame be ponted at them, it was my decision. Why if I object to the governments behaviour do I bitch about then? I could have usede the democratic system and done something about it. Worse still I could have not used the system, not voted and still demand the right to bitch about the gov. pure hypocracy in my view.

PC has gone rabid. I personally feel that we as a people need to stand up and say "Yes I screwed up and am prepared to face up to it" but we are encouraged not to do this. It may offend someone elses sensibilities or worse still it may impact on someone elses sense of self worth as guardian of our morals and belief structure. It could, heaven forbid, impact upon the earning capacity of those who find their niche enforcing these politically correct beliefs.

What shall we do?

You tell me. All I know is that this dinosaur is going to continue to behave the way he has been taught.


Mr :shit:

[howdamnhard]

I agree,I must be a dinosaur too!:shit:

[Mr Merde]

I agree,I must be a dinosaur too!:shit:

We are rapidly going the same route as the reptilian versions.

[caesius]

I'm young but apparently I harbour Dinosaur views - what species does that make me?

[sAsLEX]

The NHS has banned the eating at desks and is removing the Vending Machines from work area as Ramadan, Muslim fasting month, is coming up and they dont want to offend them. The Muslims have said they dont care.

PC is getting worse and worse, I am surprised I was still allowed to train with live ammunition and a rifle with sharp edges instead of a plastic toy and pretend sounds!

[Albino]

I hate quoting myself but i just typed a rant under the police chase thread.

Basically yes there is an issue with personal responsibility in our society. We are members of our society and therefore we all need to take responsibility for fixing it.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1170716#post1170716

I can't see it happening though, every time some one complains about a small incremental erosion of personal freedom 90% of the population (including on here) say there's nothing to worry about, stop being paranoid and if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't be concerned.

Freedom and responsiblity are linked. It's not chance that these problems are happening in line with ever-restricting rules and laws in society.

[deanohit]

I'm young but apparently I harbour Dinosaur views - what species does that make me?

Same boat for me. I'm all for people being responsible for their actions as we are always claiming to be an intelligent species, but I really wonder sometimes.:mellow:

[007XX]

Same boat for me. I'm all for people being responsible for their actions as we are always claiming to be an intelligent species, but I really wonder sometimes.:mellow:

Most definitely...I'm 31 and think my mind is 50 sometimes...Borderline Grumpy Ol' Woman! Simply because I am sick and tired of people not taking responsability for their actions.

I don't think we are a dying generation though, just a diminished one, who will resurge as soon as humanity has had enough of craping in its own nest.

[Coldrider]

Same boat for me. I'm all for people being responsible for their actions as we are always claiming to be an intelligent species, but I really wonder sometimes.:mellow:

It is that the intelligence various amongst the human species, but intelligence is not responsibility.

[007XX]

It is that the intelligence various amongst the human species, but intelligence is not responsibility.

Then you'd have to define "intelligence": are we talking academics, or Street smarts???

At the end of the day, I have seen mentally challenged individuals (and I mean Suffering from Down's syndrome and the likes)being more responsible for their actions than Graduates from the Schmuck institute of Harvard...

It is NOT a question of intelligence...partly a lot to do with your upbringing and then there is the factor of your own personnality, genetic makeup...

Quite honnestly, I think we underestimate how complex we are as human beings and cannot seem to accpet that as many flaws as we have upon conception, there is a certain amount of ourselves we can manipulate and alter, but there is another bit that we will never be able to reach...

However, this said we should not use it as an excuse to behave like Neanderthals.

[deanohit]

I'm 31 and think my mind is 50 sometimes...Borderline Grumpy Ol' Woman! Simply because I am sick and tired of people not taking responsability for their actions.

Haha, hows about being 22 and everyone who knows you well calls you grandad? Used to get a few people pissed off when they're working for me and find out that their boss was 10-15 years younger than them.

[scumdog]

You guys would not believe how many times I get : *"If you do me for drink-driving I'll lose my job and it will be YOUR fault" and shit like that, alway 'somebody elses' fault.


*My normal response to that one is "I never jammed a pistol in your ear and said 'drink' and I did not put you into your car, start it and say 'drive' so no, it's not my fault if you have a problem - don't try to make it mine".

[007XX]

Haha, hows about being 22 and everyone who knows you well calls you grandad? Used to get a few people pissed off when they're working for me and find out that their boss was 10-15 years younger than them.

:laugh: yep, know what you mean...

I was 22 once...:innocent:But I prefer being older! It gets tiresome having people doubt your judgement because of how young you look...:yes:

Anyhoo...I don't know how we can make sure people go back to taking their responsabilities seriously. I'd love to know.
All I can say is, I can control myself and my son to a certain point, but on a community base, it would be difficult...I guess that may be why a lot of dictatorship were actually quite successfull for a long time!

1 ring to rule them all...(?)

[Grahameeboy]

I agree, however, this thread has been brought about because of that recent Police chase story and I still feel that in some cases those who know better also have the ability to prevent those less responsible from becoming a statistic and creating a better outcome.

Sometimes, whatever the rights and wrongs it still takes 2 to tango.

Ever heard of novus actus intervenium (not quite sure of spelling cause it is Latin and I have enough trubs with English) reference the Kerb tripping illustration.

[deanohit]

I dont think it would even work if we were made resposible by our parents from the start because you may feel responsible for your actions, but the community see's you as the victim and will make someone else responsible for your dumb action.I think thats what I was meaning to say.

[MSTRS]

Freedom and responsibility are linked. It's not chance that these problems are happening in line with ever-restricting rules and laws in society.

Coupled with the 'Winning is not the point, it is the participating that counts' brigade, not to mention a system that allows the unemployed to become the unemployable AND to continue breeding....

[Joni]

I over heard a young woman this morning..."Im like, you know, like tired of peole fucking up my life"

Made me think of a pm conversation I had with someone yesterday... you cannot blame everyone all the time, there will have to be a stage where you stand up and take repsonsibility for your own actions..

Yes Mr Merde, I too am a dinosaur :cry:
And like you I am struggling with this "blame anyone" syndrome.

[Coldrider]

Then you'd have to define "intelligence": are we talking academics, or Street smarts???

Intelligence as in information processing methodically, Street smarts is as in cunning, but there is a blend of emotions (which computers don't have), maturity and moral obligations.

[Coldrider]

I over heard a young woman this morning..."Im like, you know, like tired of peole fucking up my life"

Yes, other people may contribute to **cking up ones life, but the ultimate responsibility of the individual is to minimise the damage, react positively and do what has to be done to get their life on track. This isn't saying 'harden up'. Do some people want to be the victim all their life?

[Joni]

Do some people want to be the victim all their life?I think they do, be it conscious or not...

Some people blame... others have the "why me" thing going (I have been guilty of that in the past...), but there comes a time that you realise that its not only time to take responsibility for your actions. Its also YOU that can get you out of the shit... think, make a plan, consult who ever, and then gear down and do what it takes to pull yourself out of it.

[ManDownUnder]

We are rapidly going the same route as the reptilian versions.

Ironically no - tis the non dinosaurs heading toward extinction for the very reasons you mention.

If I raise my kids seeking others to blame they will be skilled at finding a target for their venom, but more prone to being hit by that bus, or have gangster "pop a cap in yo ass" or whatever. It's increasingly complicated by the various games, videos and other screen time that normalises beatings shootings high, speed chases to the point of them not only being low risk (perception) but if they do get caught they hand the blame on to someone else.

Dinosaurs - and I include myself in that group - have quite the advantage this time around...

[007XX]

At the risk of over simplifying matters, isn't it just about being able to assess right from wrong and having the balls, backbone, whatever it is, to say:

" I will do the right thing here, even if it is the hardest thing to be done, ever".

Then take responsabilty for it, as it is what you believe to be the right thing...

[ManDownUnder]

You guys would not believe how many times I get : *"If you do me for drink-driving I'll lose my job and it will be YOUR fault" and shit like that, alway 'somebody elses' fault.


*My normal response to that one is "I never jammed a pistol in your ear and said 'drink' and I did not put you into your car, start it and say 'drive' so no, it's not my fault if you have a problem - don't try to make it mine".

Not enough rep available for this one man. Agreed 10,000%. Tempting to add "And if you'd killed someone - would that be my fault too?"

Jumped up little fuckwits. Nail their sorry arses to the wall. And should it ever be me - nail mine their too. Accountability. End of story.

[Joni]

" I will do the right thing here, even if it is the hardest thing to be done, ever".I honestly get the impression some poeple do not know what "the right thing" is.... very sad!

[007XX]

I honestly get the impression some poeple do not know what "the right thing" is.... very sad!

Exactly, and that's where I believe a lot of our problems start. Simple knowledge as to what is right and wrong, and what consequences are...
These basic tools, were they taught properly in younger years, would go a long way towards making us better as a nation.
I'm not saying it would eradicate our problems, but it would certainly help.

[Coldrider]

I'll be really basic here, there are human beings out there who are Tossers and they don't know it.

[Macktheknife]

At the risk of over simplifying matters, isn't it just about being able to assess right from wrong and having the balls, backbone, whatever it is, to say:

" I will do the right thing here, even if it is the hardest thing to be done, ever".

Then take responsabilty for it, as it is what you believe to be the right thing...

It has been my experience that many people fail to recognise not only right from wrong but fault from responsibility.
If a driver does something stupid on the road, he is both at fault and (should be) responsible for the consequences of that error. If I am riding along and that drivers error threatens me, I need to be responsible for where I am on the road, and what I do to deal with the situation.
It may not be my fault that the driver is an idiot, but it is my responsibility to deal with the situation appropriately and try to compensate for the drivers error.
Someone else being wrong does not mean that I have no responsibility in the situation, and that is something many people don't seem to get.
Call me a dinosaur, but I like being responsible for myself, even when I screw up hugely.

[deanohit]

I'll be really basic here, there are human beings out there who are Tossers and they don't know it.

Read my sig \/

[Macktheknife]

Exactly, and that's where I believe a lot of our problems start. Simple knowledge as to what is right and wrong, and what consequences are...
These basic tools, were they taught properly in younger years, would go a long way towards making us better as a nation.
I'm not saying it would eradicate our problems, but it would certainly help.

So it's the parents fault then?





p/t

[Angusdog]

I was raised by a father and mother who instilled upon me a belief that in the end it is I and I alone who is responsible for my own actions and decisions.

There is the problem and answer right there. Some parents are not doing their job. Some families are becoming increasingly less strong as a source of love and strength, as they spend less time together as a unit. Everyone continues to learn from those around them, and those kids who spend more time with their parents (usually their dad) learn how to be a good person - responsible, considerate of others and compassionate.

As a father of two, almost everything I do is geared around them. And I think how my father raised me, and how I can raise my kids to be good people. I don't think all the fathers out there do.

Most of the headline acts in this culture of violence come from dysfunctional families where the father is either absent, abusive or a poor role model. The problem, in my view, is that this will get worse as dysfunctional children become parents themselves. There needs to be some effort given to teaching people how to raise good kids, who become good parents. I know there's schemes at present, the one fronted by Tana Umunga is a good one. I'd like to see much more funding for community groups and campaigns to teach parents their responsibility to their kids. That is where, in my view, the future lies. We shouldn't expect the government to teach our kids, although their role currently is to pick up the pieces of those who didn't.

I should add that it's not a conclusive and complete solution - most fathers do a good job, and some do a good job and still end up with a son or daughter who isn't responsible or considerate - but tighter family units is a good thing which is underrated, in my view.

[Bass]

What shall we do?





This is what the man asked right at the outset.
There has been a lot of discussion sharing his opinion but few answers
I think that this is one of the most important questions that I have seen asked in recent times, but I struggle to find a practical, usable reply.

A sense of personal responsibility implies a sense of right and wrong.

I think that we are raising a society segment whose notion of right and wrong differs greatly from the traditional view. We have among us, a group of people who believe that society owes them a living. However, half of the problem is that they do not understand that the logical and unacceptable consequence of their attitude is that we, the responsible people, are the ones who OWE.

I don't know how to change that. It has been a long time coming and it will take a long time to reverse.

However, I do think that part of the problem is the attempt to legislate for every possible situation so that no-one needs to consider the moral right or wrong of the situation

[Coldrider]

What shall we do?
We is who? George W Bush style?

[007XX]

So it's the parents fault then?
p/t

Not so, at least not entirely...

Parents, school teachers, grand parents, tv, etc.

Our young ones are "sponges" who absorb most of their knowledge from whatever sources they find available around them...
Being able to watch programs M rated would not be suitable, yet some people think it's ok...
At school, the message sent now is that a teacher has no resort apart from sending an offending child to the principal... who will do what? call the parents of a hard nose little tough guy? that will surely impress the shit out of him (Tui moment anyone?)
I'm not saying bring back the cane, although a lot of people think it's not such a bad idea.

But there needs to be a revival of respect for authority, and we cannot do this if we are more concerned about being their pals and giving them free reins than on educating them...you got to be tough to be kind!

[MSTRS]

I think that we are raising a society segment whose notion of right and wrong differs greatly from the traditional view.

I doubt that there is anyone over the age of 7 who does not know right from wrong...the difference in the above is that these people simply don't care


However, I do think that part of the problem is the attempt to legislate for every possible situation so that no-one needs to consider the moral right or wrong of the situation
Moses' tablets contained all that is needed, with the exception of the graven images one....

[Bass]

I doubt that there is anyone over the age of 7 who does not know right from wrong...the difference in the above is that these people simply don't care



I hope you are right but I'm not so sure any more. I feel that there is a growing segment whose concept of right and wrong involves how much force they can exert.
They actually believe that might is right

[scumdog]

I doubt that there is anyone over the age of 7 who does not know right from wrong...the difference in the above is that these people simply don't care....

They know right from wrong alright - you can tell that by the fact they have (pathetic) cover-up stories for 'if they get caught'.
And even more patheric excuses when they DO get caught.

Which normally involves dispensing the blame elsewhere....

[ManDownUnder]

What shall we do?


1) Hold people accountable
2) Stand and be accountable

Breaking a few rules isn't a bad thing if you were right to break them (to progress the right or wrong discussion). If my little boy walks out onto the road putting himself in danger for the wrong reasons... he's going to get a smack on the bum.

Wrong (according to the law) yes. But if it's the best way to keep my child safe from his own stupidity I will strongly argue it's also right.

[chanceyy]

well I guess I qualify as a dinosaur too, I have learnt right from wrong & have a core set of values & beliefs

I never regret anything I do, & try to learn from my mistakes, I treat ppl as I find them, & as I would like to be treated in return ..

I value honesty and integrity ... however to many ppl today do not know the meaning of above

we are living in a blame culture.. where its always someone elses fault, personal responsibility has gone way outta the window .. but I for one will still put my hand up .. I am far from perfect but at least I like wot i see in the mirror each day :yes:

[Hitcher]

The "politically correct" amongst us need to step up and take some responsibility for taking responsibility away from others. There has been a huge volume of legislation passed in recent years that allows the Bloody Gummint to regulate and control the lives of others. And, gentle readers, more is coming. There are those amongst us who will not rest until we're a nation of vegan pedestrians who reside in gender-defined dormitories. I resent being taken hostage by single-issue activist groups and cause-related zealots.

It's time to actively resist this glacial creep before individuality and personal responsibility is ground up like so much dust in the terminal moraine.

[McJim]

The problem seems worse than it is. The actions of the few get sensationalised by the media and we have that knee jerk response to blame an entire segment of humanity.

It's like saying all Christians are Americans for example we know it's not true but it's easy to say.

There are plenty of responsible young people out there - you just don't meet them coz they don't break the rules, hang around street corners or go joy riding. I remember thugs and boy racers in Falkirk in the 1970's with EXACTLY the same blame others attitude. Those thugs would now be in their 50's.

Nothing has changed. Not even the older generation saying "Sheesh...the kids of today......."

Don't get me wrong though - I don't condone the blame culture - it's just that I can see it's not as rife as it appears.

[scumdog]

Don't get me wrong though - I don't condone the blame culture - it's just that I can see it's not as rife as it appears.

I must have missed that part of my generation.
Can't remember any of my mates being like that either.

Maybe I hung-out with the wrong crowd?:innocent:

[Animal]

I have noticed that there are a number of threads on this site that ultimately come down to being responsible for ones own decisions and actions.

I also note that there are as many voices on one side as the other.

I feel like a dinosaur.



Must make me a dinosaur too, but I'm fucked if I'm going to apologise for clinging to those values. Being caned at school or strapped at home was a clear and immediate consequence if my decisions and actions were flawed. I'm not mentally and emotionally scarred, and I still live my life on the principles of being resposible for my own actions and decisions. I have to apologise if I've offended someone, I have to pay the price if I'm caught breaking the law. I am proud to be a dinosaur!

[007XX]

Must make me a dinosaur too, but I'm fucked if I'm going to apologise for clinging to those values. Being caned at school or strapped at home was a clear and immediate consequence if my decisions and actions were flawed. I'm not mentally and emotionally scarred, and I still live my life on the principles of being resposible for my own actions and decisions. I have to apologise if I've offended someone, I have to pay the price if I'm caught breaking the law. I am proud to be a dinosaur!

Yep, exactly!!!!:Punk:

I'd be a Veloceraptor, me thinks...:yes:And I'm perfectly ok with that...

[Mekk]

I was brought up to give respect where it's due and to front up for my actions, so I'll keep doing that.

I don't respect insecure cowards that fob off responsibility because they can't handle their own choices in life.

[scumdog]

I'm just some old bastard with some old fashioned ideas and values.

I guess I'm a Tyranosaurus by todays standards.

[Joni]

Stand up the dinosaurs .... and be proud!

:wari:

[Angusdog]

All the dinosaurs are petrol now. Which fuels these fast cars which are killing our youth, so it's actually dinosaurs' fault.

[Mekk]

It's also a shame that these sort of values are considered prehistoric, in my opinion.

Part of it though is acknowledging that we share the world with some fuckwits...and not inviting them to tea parties! Muahahaha!

[McJim]

All the dinosaurs are petrol now. Which fuels these fast cars which are killing our youth, so it's actually dinosaurs' fault.

Stop it! This is a mutual back slapping thread. :rofl:

Incidentally a lot of the self confessed dinosaurs are quite young too - proving my point that not all the kids (i.e. people younger than 30) are bad after all.

[Animal]

Yep, exactly!!!!:Punk:

I'd be a Veloceraptor, me thinks...:yes:And I'm perfectly ok with that...

What kind of dinosaur would be slow, confused and incredibly boring? I'd be one of them.

[Mystery]

The problem seems worse than it is. The actions of the few get sensationalised by the media and we have that knee jerk response to blame an entire segment of humanity.

It's like saying all Christians are Americans for example we know it's not true but it's easy to say.

There are plenty of responsible young people out there - you just don't meet them coz they don't break the rules, hang around street corners or go joy riding. I remember thugs and boy racers in Falkirk in the 1970's with EXACTLY the same blame others attitude. Those thugs would now be in their 50's.

Nothing has changed. Not even the older generation saying "Sheesh...the kids of today......."

Don't get me wrong though - I don't condone the blame culture - it's just that I can see it's not as rife as it appears.

Well said McJim, I agree 100%!

[007XX]

What kind of dinosaur would be slow, confused and incredibly boring? I'd be one of them.

I doubt that very much somehow...:yes:
But if you insist, maybe a Megalodon?...much sharper than they appeared...

[Animal]

I doubt that very much somehow...:yes:
But if you insist, maybe a Megalodon?...much sharper than they appeared...

But not a megalodong. I wouldn't qualify!

Ah fuck, I do crack myself up when I'm drunk!:killingme:killingme:killingme:weird:

[terbang]

Yup, another baby boomer dinosaur here. Hah what do they call em, Pterada..Terradact..? Anyway, the flying jobbies. I can't help but think that it is partly as a result of the type of PC, welfare cotton wool society that we live in. ACC is a good concept but it can encourage an irresponsible, 'she'll be right the state will look after me and they can't sue me' type behaviour too. Dunno if the Yanks have it right either though I guess there are those there who are more aware of the consequences of their own actions. Spent a bit of time in the third world too and I observed that people there certainly had to take responsibility for their own direction. If they didn't, they were dead. Life there is hard though, and it can become dog eat dog as people do what they can to survive and arn't too lazy about it either. Funny thing, people in the third world don't seem to moan any more than people do in our world and in fact, probably a bit less and I saw more smiles in some of the more desperate parts, than I see down town Auckland. However, life and death in the third world seems to hold a bit less value than what we see around here as well.

[peasea]

What kind of dinosaur would be slow, confused and incredibly boring? I'd be one of them.

Kiwious Bikersorearse?

[peasea]

Funny thing, people in the third world don't seem to moan any more than people do in our world and in fact, probably a bit less and I saw more smiles in some of the more desperate parts, than I see down town Auckland. However, life and death in the third world seems to hold a bit less value than what we see around here as well.

Good points. I recently watched a marathon 220min DVD about these clowns who took a bunch of vintage cars from 'Peking to Paris'. To cut a long story short (great adventure doco btw) it seemed that the happiest people these adventurers ran into were the poorest. The Mongols, for example, were happy-as yet had not much more (in the material sense) than the clothes they stood up in, a tent or two, a horse and a knife, yet they still shared their food and managed hugs and smiles for their guests.

Try hugging a stranger and sharing your lunch in down-town-anywhere NZ and watch the faces; they'd think you were nuts and likely call the cops.

It'd be ok though coz you'd get counselling and a benefit......

[ali]

And everone thought that dinosaurs were extinct, there are enough here to re-populate the planet.

I feel increasingly sorry for our professionals.

If a doctor makes a mistake, we want to fry him, even if he's had to work a 100 hour week.

If we get caught speeding, it's not our fault because the cops are only "revenue gatherers"

If another child gets murdered, it's social welfares (CYFS ) fault for not noticing earlier.

The list goes on

How do we get our kids to take responsibility, when most of the adult population wont ?

[mashman]

At the risk of over simplifying matters, isn't it just about being able to assess right from wrong and having the balls, backbone, whatever it is, to say:

" I will do the right thing here, even if it is the hardest thing to be done, ever".

Then take responsabilty for it, as it is what you believe to be the right thing...

Best post in the thread. Most people wouldn't know personal responsibility if it came up and bit them in the arse. They're too busy playing around the edges of the "rules". As long as I am not breaking a law, I must be personally responsible. That attitude sure as shit isn't personal responsibility. If there were personal responsibility we'd have addressed the problems that society has. We don't, we merely put money into a central pot and claim that we have done out bit, then turn around a rip some fucker off because we don't their accent or the colour of their skin or their belief system etc... and all because they are within their LEGAL rights to do so. This is not personal responsibility, it's a legal responsibility. Balls and backbone are not required in a society where your behaviour is excused under the word of law.

[Akzle]

best thread dredge this year!

Fuken go outside and play.

[mashman]

Fuken go outside and play.

I'd love to.

[scissorhands]

A warrior will act impeccably at all times
An ordinary man will be the sum of his coincidental history and environment
An ordinary man can transcend his situation and then act consciously
A warrior can lose his impeccability when his spirit is weakened, and become ordinary

[Akzle]

A warrior will act impeccably at all times
An ordinary man will be the sum of his coincidental history and environment
An ordinary man can transcend his situation and then act consciously
A warrior can lose his impeccability when his spirit is weakened, and become ordinary

how do you feel about jews?

[Drew]

how do you feel about jews?They're no good at fixing gas ovens.

[scissorhands]

how do you feel about jews?

do they gather in churches?

[Headbanger]

how do you feel about jews?

I'd like to fuck a few of their women....

Not all of em.

[Headbanger]

A warrior will act impeccably at all times
An ordinary man will be the sum of his coincidental history and environment
An ordinary man can transcend his situation and then act consciously
A warrior can lose his impeccability when his spirit is weakened, and become ordinary


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF4ZTcuhixc

[Akzle]

do they gather in churches?

if by church, you mean bank and by gather, you mean own, then yes.

[scumdog]

do they gather in churches?

No.

In sin-a-gogz.

[Banditbandit]

A warrior will act impeccably at all times
An ordinary man will be the sum of his coincidental history and environment
An ordinary man can transcend his situation and then act consciously
A warrior can lose his impeccability when his spirit is weakened, and become ordinary

You've been skipping your meds again haven't you ... you know what happens when you do that ....

[scissorhands]

You've been skipping your meds again haven't you ... you know what happens when you do that ....

I break on through to the other side?

Suppressing the rage with jew medicine
Has never been my bag
Its not there to help you
But make money for those fags

Never tried it
And never will
Nurse Ratshit will write on my file
He took herbs for his ills

Now I ride the prairie
With no buds by my side
In time one grows bored
Of always being fried

Personal responsibility and power plants
The state has decreed
You must take our patented potions
And suffer till you're again free

Murder suicide and psychosis
Destroyed kidneys and liver
The doctor will do a job on you
Then Jesus will deliver

But I do want to be a good dog
And not pull on the lead
Or shit on the neighbours lawn
Or hump you on your knee

Obedient, bored and tied
Oh master, please do not medicate me
Compliance begets no pound or put down
Unless your a countrified Rasta

[Banditbandit]

What ???? Is free association poetry your bag this month ?

[Akzle]

o tree, my tree.
How green though art. Now i will dry your flowers.

And smoke them.
Hooray for jellybeans!

[Banditbandit]

Fuck - only spring and the cannabis plantas in the farnorf are the size of trees already ??

[Akzle]

Fuck - only spring and the cannabis plantas in the farnorf are the size of trees already ??

i wish. We're only a few weeks into 12h photoperiod. Soil temp hasnt crackd 18 yet but overnight low last week was 15. =D

[Smifffy]

I break on through to the other side?

Suppressing the rage with jew medicine
Has never been my bag
Its not there to help you
But make money for those fags

Never tried it
And never will
Nurse Ratshit will write on my file
He took herbs for his ills

Now I ride the prairie
With no buds by my side
In time one grows bored
Of always being fried

Personal responsibility and power plants
The state has decreed
You must take our patented potions
And suffer till you're again free

Murder suicide and psychosis
Destroyed kidneys and liver
The doctor will do a job on you
Then Jesus will deliver

But I do want to be a good dog
And not pull on the lead
Or shit on the neighbours lawn
Or hump you on your knee

Obedient, bored and tied
Oh master, please do not medicate me
Compliance begets no pound or put down
Unless your a countrified Rasta

You been a bit quiet lately - things ok?