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15th August 2007, 22:00
BuckBuckNo1’s Transition 650cc to:
Heads It’s A Hornet – Tails It’s A Bandit
Well KB’ers, it’s now coming up to Buck’s 25,000km and how far I have traveled since Golf November Two Five Zero. [Remember those days?]

At two levels: first, cultivating riding experience and responsibility, and second, making sound judgements and financial accountability, these are important factors.

Briefly, as you may be aware I am a purely recreational rider and with a Suzuki GN250, more precisely with Golf November Two Five Zero [read 14,000km], then with Honda VLX600, more precisely Victor Lima Xray Six Zero Zero [read 1,000km], and most recently with the Suzuki DL650 ‘the VStrom’ and [read 9,500km] – after 24,500km it’s time to move on.

As a raw newbie, my aspirations were to learn to ride and then travel the Sth Island by age 60. [Heck I turned 55 last month so time is running out! Don’t want to rush these things you see.]

I set up my Newbie Training Update here on kiwibiker and stuck to my 1,000km in Stokes Valley. I then bought Victor Lima Xray but for health matters had to flick it on, and by then 15,000km disappeared. Along came VStrom, a real good work horse, excellent for those Sth Island tours and runs up the Nth Island being my goals.

“Hey BuckbuckNo1 I hear what you say, but how often will you do these long touring rides?”

I bought VStrom in late March this year, I suppose it was a bit like going out on one of your first few dates, ‘Will she like me, will I like her?’ sort of thing, and when it all boils down to it how often do we hear ‘Oh well it wasn’t going to work out – but we’re still good friends.’ That’s the way it is with VStrom and me, she’s been between my legs for 9,500 – get your mind above your navel – kilometers, and we’ve been pretty close if you know what I mean.

Time has come for the transition, bit like moving out of puberty and those teenage years [to all you younger readers – I am just an old fart].

I made my move as early as mid June, about two and a half months of taking VStrom around the region, when I thought to myself better start looking over the fence and I eyed the new Suzuki Bandit 1250S hmmmm. Put some money down and said "I’ll Be Back”.

Went sniffing around the dealerships and checked out the Kawasaki Z750, brother in law has one, so thought well to keep the natives calm best go and check that out too.

Now you will recall I mentioned the Honda 600cc earlier, well the 919cc CB900 Hornet was in the frame as well – didn’t know whether to swat it or jump on her, so I thought I better put some money down there. [Heck buck you want to back everything in the Melbourne Cup?]

Well the Zed is a good bike, but it may be a small factor - the ergonomic is not just right – have ridden the brother in law's, and sat on it numerous times, but it just did not feel right between the legs if you know what I mean.

The Bandit, wha-hooo, now the 1250S [and yes the new K7 model] is something to behold. Must say I also rode the 650 Bandit, it is a very good pony indeed. The bigger 1250S is one heck of a bike, and for this 25,000km something recreational rider that wants to still tour the Sth Island, well what can I say.

Buzz, Buzz, Buzz, there’s the Hornet letting its presence be felt – you know in a nut shell, it’s a GN250 with balls. As a transition, well read several transitions; from a Suzuki GN 250 to a cruiser style Honda VLX 600, to a ‘how far are you going?’ DL650 VStrom, I have mixed it up a bit, and now am left with a decision before spring time: Heads It’s A Hornet – Tails It’s A Bandit.

To be fair I have ridden both the 1250S and Hornet approaching 200km each and around some good districts, including the Haywards and the inlet, up to Kaitoke [no I didn’t go up the Rimutakas] and also up Blue Mountains Road into Whitemans Valley.

To the guys at Wellington Motorcycles that have looked after me with the GN and the VStrom a big heads up and thank you. And now, with the 1250S sitting there…

To the guys at Motomart Lower Hutt, my thanks too, you have certainly thrown a spanner in the works with the Hornet…..

I want to also acknowledge Kawasaki at Motorad, the Z750, in all honesty is more tuned to the sports riding, whereas the road riding touring is more my style. Thanks Glenn and Steve.

So there you have it. The VStrom is going back up on auction this Friday, the reserve will be set around $10,495, just thought I’d throw that out there. [Go to the Online Trade Forum here for a look see and my photo gallery.]

I may be an old fart, but I do wax on and wax off [heck Buck couldn’t you choose some other expression], well you know what I mean with the Karate Kid [training and practice etc] if not go and find Mr Miyagi he will explain. 24,500km sounds a lot in 15mths of riding but at the end of the day some of you may recall from my newbie training update:

“Buck – Where Are You Riding, Buck – How Are You Riding, Buck – And Why Are You Riding Like That – Now.” The key point being self discipline, ride within your own comfort zone, and be patient.

In the past 15 months I have gained a tremendous respect for motorcycle riding and motorcyclists. This upcoming spring and summer I will split my time between the enjoyable café run with the occasional longer ride [Alfredton was my favourite ride this year so far.] and the other part of my time will see me walking down the golf course and occasionally hearing the burble of a bike passing by.

I do not see myself clocking up another 25,000km in 15 months, but rather taking a more leisurely pace, and reap the reward of a conscientious approach to learning to ride.

Heads It’s A Hortnet – Tails It’s A Bandit, we shall but wait and see.

I would welcome your feedback on both the Hornet and the Bandit, and any rep will be graciously accepted.

Blogg link:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/blogs/viewblog.php?userid=1728&entry=250

Heads Up and Enjoy

chanceyy
15th August 2007, 22:08
ohh the choices huh buck ... can not wait to see the flip of the coin .. :scooter::sunny:
awaiting for pics :yes:

merv
15th August 2007, 22:09
Buy what you really think feels best.

Was something not quite right with the V-Strom for you?

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15th August 2007, 22:26
Buy what you really think feels best.

Was something not quite right with the V-Strom for you?

Some bikes can be one dimensional eg a high powered sports bike, while others may be multi-dimensional - VStrom is an excellent bike. It is a big bike in size not merely engine capacity and the 650cc is very adequate, it is high in the saddle and long at the wheel base and could be described as a perfect long distance bike - I am sure Mike Hyde author of Twisting Throttle on his VStrom 1000 will agree.

Merv, I had to be critical of my riding patterns. Being retired and not being able to afford the trip to Gisborne or Bay of Islands, let alone way down south, every other month, the VStrom is perfect for this. Analysing 25,000km of riding, and honing the transitions from 250cc to 650cc, the move now will take into account what 'feels best' for sure, and I think both the Hornet and the Bandit engine capacities are more than adequate, while the ergonomics of each are very good. You will recall I purchased a neck nut and this has been very good on both the naked Hornet and the faired Bandit.

Chanceyy, as they say back home on Anzac Day - 'Come In Spinner', I will post pictures for sure.

Heads Up and Enjoy:yes::scooter::yes::scooter:

rwh
16th August 2007, 00:10
Both look nice choices.

The only thing I notice from the pics that might make a difference for me is that I don't think I'd want to hang my soft panniers over the cans on the hornet. If you have no plans to use soft panniers for your trip, that won't matter :)

Richard

Boob Johnson
16th August 2007, 00:34
Yeah real nice choice on both bikes, cant go wrong really :scooter:

Kendog
16th August 2007, 06:39
If you are thinking Bandit, another option is the CB1300. Like the 900 only bigger.
Ask Ceebie13, he raves about his and has done plenty of k's on it.

James Deuce
16th August 2007, 07:53
Don't ask us, we're idiots. Buy what you like best after some significant test riding.

RantyDave
16th August 2007, 08:18
Is Skelstar's bike still for sale? But that, save enough over the new price to pay for a trip down south. Problem solved!

Dave

Pwalo
16th August 2007, 08:24
FWIW the new Bandit seems to be getting good reviews everywhere. The Hornet is a great bike, but if you're planning doing long distances you might like to have a bit of plastic to hide behind. (Even the little bit perched at the front of the SV helps).

Colapop
16th August 2007, 08:30
I've rode the Bandit (both at WMCC and Carnalee's one) and found it to be an excellent bike. The only down point was I found it a little strong for commuting speeds. As far as the rest of it goes though - awesome. I can't comment on the Hornet as I haven't ridden one.

skelstar
16th August 2007, 09:01
I don't think I'd want to hang my soft panniers over the cans on the hornet. If you have no plans to use soft panniers for your trip...
Don't worry about that, the cans have a heat-shield/guard for a reason.

Bend-it
16th August 2007, 09:11
I'd go with the Hornet, but that's just me, although you'd want a screen for the motorway, and wild looking triumph headlamps for the "uniquity" factor... hang on a minute... !! ;P

You're a wise one buck, you'll make the right choice I'm sure... You already made one (maybe) in deciding not to quit! :)

Terminated
16th August 2007, 12:36
Thanks all for your comments....I have started the ball rolling in Trademe

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Tourers/auction-113896638.htm

and have set expiry for next Tuesday. Should be interesting.

Heads Up and Enjoy:yes::scooter::yes::scooter::yes::scooter:

gijoe1313
16th August 2007, 12:43
I hope you end up getting the Hornet! But that's just me ... I'm sure whatever you ride, you've put the thought and research into the all the fine minutae.

Looking forward to hearing about the new steed you will be getting soon!

Dodger
16th August 2007, 18:43
Buy the Bandit!

The 900 Hornet has been on my wish list for quite some time, and if I ever do buy one it would be nice to have something different to you :bleh:

Hitcher
16th August 2007, 20:02
I'll put my usual plug in for the Kawasaki ZRX1200R, if it is indeed a large naked bike that is being sought here. In my opinion nothing else comes close for all-round riding performance. The new Z1000 looks way cool too, and folks what own them love them (well, the ones I've met do).

But given that the 650 Strom suits your needs so well, one could enquire as to why you think you want to sell it? It's unlikely to be worth much less in a year than it is now.

Wasp
16th August 2007, 20:09
Bandit 1250........... no im not biased!

Clivoris
16th August 2007, 21:16
Haha. I've been waiting for this thread mate. I might have misunderstood some of your logic though. You're selling the V-strom because you don't get to do enough touring? I would have thought that the V-strom would make a better local tourer/commuter than the bikes you're looking at. Either of the bikes you're looking at will be great but the Bandit will have a heap more torque=easier riding.

KoroJ
16th August 2007, 22:06
A comfy tourer needs big boxes and an electric windscreen!!

ceebie13
16th August 2007, 22:39
If you are thinking Bandit, another option is the CB1300. Like the 900 only bigger.
Ask Ceebie13, he raves about his and has done plenty of k's on it.

Yep! Does exactly what it says on the tin... and more. I love it. Big and lardy when stationary but nimble as ferret up ya trousers once its on the move.
Come stick your leg over my CB, Guy, if you are at all interested in a comparison. And there's a write-up on the 'S' Model (with half fairing) in the latest Kiwi Rider Mag. Excellent VFM too. Motomart will be glad to get rid of one so you might land yourself a bargain. Think about $14500 brand new.

Drum
17th August 2007, 00:34
What about the XJR1300 Guy?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Tourers/auction-113706175.htm?p=2

I think if I had the cash I'd be going for the Z1000.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-113619891.htm?p=1

Edit: Both the bikes you're looking at will suit your riding style mate. I see I'm just posting links to the bikes I want.

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17th August 2007, 09:54
Thank you for your replies, and Ceebee13 your offer for me to get my leg over the CB1300.

My main focus is the auction that runs through to Tuesday.

In the meantime I do have a few contingency plans, one which includes a long weekend ride up the North Island on VStrom, another is to indeed look at the CB1300, XJR1300 and GSX1400 around xmas/new year, if I postpone selling. By then I will have done a few 'summer time - early morning distance rides' and this could be a significant factor down the track.

In the meantime both the Hornet and Bandit are in the frame and I would like to think that the auction is well within the market price and hopefully will move during auction.

Heads Up and Enjoy:yes::scooter::yes::scooter::scooter:

90s
17th August 2007, 10:19
Good on you BuckBuck - showing its never too late to get seriously into biking, and to take a planned approach to getting what you want out of it.
Hope your new bike - whatever it is - gives you plently more thou ks pleasure touring around. Wish I had time on my hands for more.
Your'e a great inspiration - and I even like your schnauzer (that's a dog people). The missis is thinking of getting one.

Take it easy!

Devil
17th August 2007, 10:28
Like a couple of the others here, i'm trying to understand why you'd want to sell the VStrom for one of those two. It does everything and from my experience, commutes better than the other two (what kerb?).
Plus I found the strom to be more fun on a tight road that those other too, what a hoot getting the back out under power.

:sunny:

Terminated
17th August 2007, 13:21
I even like your schnauzer (that's a dog people). The missis is thinking of getting one.

Take it easy!

Thanks for your feedback 90s. Here are a few pictures of Arnie for your missis. Arnie when he came home at 8weeks, and now just turned 7yrs this month.


i'm trying to understand why you'd want to sell the VStrom for one of those two.
:sunny:

Thanks Devil. All my riding is purely recreational. During the week generally this side to the top of the Rimutaka Hill, Paekakariki Hill and around the inlet, and the occasional ride around the harbour and bays about 100-150km a time.
On the weekend then over to the Wairarapa to Martinborough/Carterton about 200-250km.

The VStrom is an excellent bike, ideal riding position for me, however unless I do get in some long distance overnight rides for me 500km maximum a day, it begs the question is this the right bike for me. Having said that, come summer time then the longer rides will be more probable, hence the 1300/1400's are worthy of a look. But, on the balance of things it will be a case of looking at and reviewing my riding patterns if I shifted to the bigger bikes.

The Hornet and Bandit, as I said are in the frame, and will see how the auction pans out.

Heads Up and Enjoy:yes::scooter::yes::scooter::yes::scooter:

RantyDave
17th August 2007, 14:07
Like a couple of the others here, i'm trying to understand why you'd want to sell the VStrom for one of those two.
He wants to go faster, man. He's just trying not to admit to it :)

Read between the lines: He bought the VStrom to go on long lolloping rides around the country ... but instead finds himself thrashing over the takas like the rest of Wellington. Has: 650cc Vtwin with many kilograms. Wants: 900cc IL4 with fewer kilograms. Good on 'im, I reckon.

Dave

90s
17th August 2007, 14:30
He wants to go faster, man. He's just trying not to admit to it :)

Thanks for the doggy pics BuckBuck.

And Dave, I think you've got it!
Guess BuckBuck might not want the wifey to read the real reason for trading up :nono:?

Devil
17th August 2007, 15:37
He wants to go faster, man. He's just trying not to admit to it :)

Read between the lines: He bought the VStrom to go on long lolloping rides around the country ... but instead finds himself thrashing over the takas like the rest of Wellington. Has: 650cc Vtwin with many kilograms. Wants: 900cc IL4 with fewer kilograms. Good on 'im, I reckon.

Dave

Heh well the hornet and the 650 strom aren't far off in weight! As for the bandit...well... dont drop it on yourself if there's no-one around to help you pick it up!

Go try the bandit 1200 while you're at it. Appears to have even more torque on the bottom end than the 1250...

Terminated
17th August 2007, 16:13
Has: 650cc Vtwin with many kilograms. Wants: 900cc IL4 with fewer kilograms. Good on 'im, I reckon.
Dave

RantyDave, I think you pretty well summed it up however, believe it or not the DL650 VStrom and the CB900 Hornet both weigh the same at 194kg dry weight. :first:
Each bike has its own characteristics but I think the coffee will taste better over the hill, you know what I mean.:rockon:

The Bandit, clocked up near 200km in two rides, it is certainly in the frame for selection, and yes is heavier.:shit:

I am waiting for the day that Mrs R asks to go for that ride.:innocent:

Heads Up and Enjoy:yes::scooter::yes::scooter::yes::scooter:

DougieNZ
17th August 2007, 17:13
Hi buckBuck.

My wife had a hornet for a few years and went to a bandit recently.

I think they are both very good bikes. I have ridden both and the onlpy diffference I noted was obviously a little more power with the bandit.

As a stepping stone I could recommend that you go for the hornet. A very good all round bike that performed very well for4 her. i think her old one is still for sale at Motomart. It's blue with chain and sprockets replaced just before the swap, and heated handgrips and scottoiler fitted.

Will you be doing 1 up or 2 up touring? If 2up the bandit may be a better option.

Cheers

AD

Terminated
17th August 2007, 20:10
As a stepping stone I could recommend that you go for the hornet.

Will you be doing 1 up or 2 up touring? If 2up the bandit may be a better option.
Cheers
AD

Thanks AD, your recommendation is appreciated, the Hornet is the natural progression, as I will not be 2 up touring. The Bandit on the other hand could very well be the 'long term keeper', if I was to purchase immediately.

So, don't be surprised out there if the Hornet is chosen this spring and sold next autumn or spring.

Heads Up and Enjoy:yes::scooter::yes::scooter::yes::scooter:

merv
17th August 2007, 20:17
So, don't be surprised out there if the Hornet is chosen this spring and sold next autumn or spring.


So you are rich enough not to worry about depreciation then Guy?

Terminated
17th August 2007, 20:19
Exchange rate timing more like it Merv.

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24th August 2007, 21:18
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1179886#post1179886

Drum
24th August 2007, 23:10
Good on ya mate. Happy trails.