The 250 market is hot right now but red baron...not this hot....

[skidMark]

here is a 1991 zxr250c from red baron 14,000 k's so yes low....

and OMG it's is absolutely spotless immaculate showroom condition...thats great....

but the pricetag:

$8,495

u have got to be shitting me, it's fucking 16 years old!

i think i'd rather have a gixxer 600 and some change left over!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-107811826.htm

SM

[bert_is_evil]

Someone will buy it, things are only worth what some dumb arse is prepared to pay

[skidMark]

but it poses the question...why does a bike with 14,000 k's need a new paintjob...me thinks shes been round ze clock perhaps....

[Morcs]

I emailed red baron:

Fellas,

Aint this a bit much for a 250? a 16 year old bike at that?

I bought (through a dealer too) a mint honda rvf 400 with 30,000k's for 8,300 - and that was overpriced too, and thats an incredibly rare and sought after bike...

Low K's, learner license laws, and a paint job dont add $5,000 onto what a bike is worth...

Be realistic guys...

and then chatting to mark on msn brought up a few points:


its 16 years old
Pete says:
it could have gone round the clock at that age
Pete says:
and just been reconditioned, and a new paint job
Pete says:
why on earth would a near new bike have a new paint job? not even a custom one at that?


Pete says:
(unnamed shop) had a yellow nc30 in there a while back
Pete says:
it had 64000 on the clock but was mint
Pete says:
they wanted 6k for it
Pete says:
the truth was, it had gone round the clock, and almost again, and the motor was a huge pile of shit that was gna blow

:D

[Morcs]

but it poses the question...why does a bike with 14,000 k's need a new paintjob...me thinks shes been round ze clock perhaps....

Dude stop rephrasing my points to sound like your own :laugh:

[Kittyhawk]

HAHAHA

I'd be asking why is it so highly priced?

No bike after 16 years would look that good if it was in original condition.

Theres a lot of hidden secrets beneath these fairings!

Anyone asked RB why that is the going price??

[deanohit]

I remeber a thread on this bike on KBer a while back. Still overpriced and still sitting on the floor at red baron and I still think they're dreaming at that price.

[Taz]

I've got an idea...... Don't buy it.

[slopster]

If your not selling it or buying it who give a shit you must have way too much time on you hands.

[kiwifruit]

Wonder if they'd trade a zx10...

[skidMark]

I've got an idea...... Don't buy it.


If your not selling it or buying it who give a shit you must have way too much time on you hands.


well it's bettewr to bring it up as an isue instead of ripping of an unsuspencting buyer.

[YLWDUC]

I know that some of the KB lads work there, but I think that they (RB) need a good kick in the teeth for pricing like that.

AND of course, I blame the government and the stupid learner laws for all of it.

[Mully]

but it poses the question...why does a bike with 14,000 k's need a new paintjob...me thinks shes been round ze clock perhaps....

Ex Race bike in Japan????

Could explain the mileage too.

[imdying]

Yep, we've discussed this one before, where I think I made my point of view known. Bottom line for me is, I'll never spend any money there, on anything. I won't support a business that blatantly rips people off.

[Pancakes]

It sounds like a lot to me but I don't really follow the bike market either. I guess if it's too much it won't get sold and that's the self adjusting factor of a free-market economy. I was looking at bikes a few weeks ago tho and decided I liked the look of the Hornet 250's but most were $5-7k and 15+ years old! If mine was written of I decided that a 2005 Hornet 900 for around the $7k mark was the go, there were two I narrowed it down to and one I was going to get if mine was a write-off, both had low (one 10 thousand and the other 35 thousand K's on them). IMO farking heaps better that a 18 year old 250!! even if it means 6 months or a year on a bitsa GN to get yourself there.

But yeah, seems that the importers of 250's take their time cos they may be able to make the same $$'s on less bikes if demand stays high.

[The Pastor]

red baron get lots of crashed bike and make a few complete bikes out of all the parts, then sell the left overs as parts.

bunch of cocknockers.

[McJim]

I tried to get RB to come and go on a price for a 1997 CBR600F that they were touting as a 1998. They wouldn't budge.

I thought their high prices were to allow a large amount of lattitude (negotiation) in pricing but no. They're just greedy.

[iwilde]

Easy answer is, dont buy off RB. Sooner or later they will get the message

[LilSel]

:whocares:... If someone wants that nice lookin zxr for that price... then good for them... Its the same with cars... those cefiro types that they now use for drifting etc... back in the day they were just normal run of the mill everyday cars... now that there is a demand for them for the 'drifter/boyracer' types... the prices have gone up... same diff...
demand reflects price *shrugs*... If you know your stuff... your sweet.

[mbazza]

I wouldn't buy it! Nor would I worry about it! Cheers.:zzzz:

[FROSTY]

red baron get lots of crashed bike and make a few complete bikes out of all the parts, then sell the left overs as parts.

bunch of cocknockers.
You have FACTS to support this statement.??
Not just heresay?
Lots of imports come in needing some assembily--wheels and fairings put back on. Fact.
Red Baron end up with insurance and finance company grabbed bikes--Fact.
Not that I support RB particularly but I hate sweeping statements about any business stillout there

[deanohit]

Red Baron may be expensive, but check out this one from Mt Eden: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=114760668&key=822207

[crazybigal]

its like cars, finance companies fall over eachother to give loans to young guys with no money for overpriced cars/bikes. fact is its just easy for them to buy a bike from a shop than front up with cash to a private buyer.
there will allways be a market for it as long as there are dumb shits out there to blow their (or finance companies) cash.

[Hawkeye]

Like every one has said, it's overpriced. But someone will come along without doing the research and pay the price.
It's the same with detectors on Trademe. Lately, I've seen a second hand Uniden SWS5000 sell on TM for over $200. FFS. I can walk into Dick Smiths in Wellington and get one for $99. It doesn't take rocket science to figure it out.

[imdying]

Red Baron may be expensive, but check out this one from Mt Eden: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=114760668&key=822207
I'm willing to accept that it's a typo... RB on the other hand are just rip off pricks.

[caesius]

Damn, you're right. There will be 0.001% of the population who will say "what a deal" and buy it.

[EJT]

I was ready to pay cash when I bought my Hyosung. RB said they wouldn't budge on the price because they were selling them so quickly (they were also the most expensive out of the all the dealers I looked at).

End result is I went to Mount Eden, got great service and a discount, and got my bike from them. I will probably get my next bike from there as well when I upgrade.

What I don't understand is that learners will almost certainly be looking at upgrading once they are on their full licence, so dealers who rip them off are losing business long term.

[Omega1]

BTW,Has anyone seen the early mint GSXR1100 on trademe that the owner wants $25000.00 for it?

[deanohit]

Put a link up mate.

Yea, I know it's probly a typo on the Mt Eden bike, but thought it was still worth a laugh.

[Buddy L]

I don't buy bikes from Red Baron as i don't have the money.
But i do go in their for my gear.
Always have a good chat with the guys up stairs, and get good discont off them. Today they gave me a free bottle of chain lube!!!! (probley as i spent $200)
If the price is to high then go look some where else. It's not far to go to Mt Eden or Colmens etc etc.

[Indiana_Jones]

Like it's been said before, don't want it, don't buy it.

But I do feel sorry for the poor bastard who gets ripped off.

I don't think I'd ever buy from RB myself, I don't wanna support those guys. I remember someone on here, or one of my mates (Can't remember), phoning up as asking about a test ride on a bike, he gets there, they look at him and say 'no'.

-Indy

[vifferman]

... dealers who rip them off are losing business long term.
You'd think the way they behave that mebbe some dealers are SO rich they don't give a crap about customer satisfaction any more. That attitude has lost a certain Honda dealer on the North Shore access to literally thousands of dollars of my hard-earned cash. I haven't spent a shekel there in the last three years.
"The emotional pain of an anal reaming lasts many years after the injury has healed, Grasshopper." :Pokey:

[carver]

you should buy it mark, and apply to be a member in the elite "MORMON FEW STUNT CREW


here is a 1991 zxr250c from red baron 14,000 k's so yes low....

and OMG it's is absolutely spotless immaculate showroom condition...thats great....

but the pricetag:

$8,495

u have got to be shitting me, it's fucking 16 years old!

i think i'd rather have a gixxer 600 and some change left over!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-107811826.htm

SM

[Swoop]

It will sit on their floor for quite a while. Their risk...

I was rather shocked with the prices of bikes at Motohaus today! Bloody decent prices!!!
Kerry said "I want to sell them, not have them sitting there"!

They certainly will not be sitting there for long! VERY impressed.:niceone:

[MotoGirl]

I won't support a business that blatantly rips people off.

They've obviously got worse as the years have passed. In '98 we bought a '96 model (New Zealand new) ZZR 250 with 15,000km for like $5,000. Roughly a decade later, the same sort of model is still fetching $4-5k.