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[marty]

there are plenty of threads - good and bad, about how/where/when/why bikers have been stopped by the boys. I thought i's start one here, no bitching allowed, just for information's sake, so it can be browsed to see where the hot spots are.

[marty]

first up - i was stopped twice in 24 hours - at a checkpoint on shakespeare st cambridge (the road to te awamutu off SH1) for licence and wof check, and then on the motorway at 0500am this morning - not doing anything wrong, just a breath and licence test. both places are common to see road patrol units.

[Coyote]

For a while the Camera outside the Petone Bowland was a problem cause if you were heading from Wellington, you couldn't see the 70kph sign cause it was hidden in the bushes, so you were still going 100. Caught my dad a couple of times.

[Deano]

There was a black commodore plain car working the Hutt motorway today.

[jrandom]

There was a black commodore plain car working the Hutt motorway today.

Ah, well, he'll be likely to do it again tomorrow, then!

Good thing our online motorcycling community ninja skills are up to his tricks eh?

[MikeL]

Last Sunday, south of Cambridge heading towards Tirau, HP coming opposite direction, did a U-turn and subsequently showed me his radar reading 111 kph. $80 + 20 demerits. Could have been a lot worse...

Narrowly avoided another one this afternoon out by the airport. He got the car in front of me. We were doing the same speed.

Red van on northern motorway earlier. Considerate on-coming driver flashed a warning (this seems to be a dying custom - I wonder why??)

I'm beginning to get a little paranoid...

[scumdog]

I must be doing something wrong, in all my years of riding I have been stopped 4 times, two at booze-bus compulsory stops and once 'cause my no. had been 'bent' to fit the USA plate holder (and that encounter was 'less than positive' with M.O.T.) and once with my bro for a random wof & licence check when we were on our scoots just cruising.

In my hot-rod? once for a random check and once for (wait for it) speeding.

In my youth I got pulled over but I now know it is a driving style/vehicle appearance/driver youthfulness thing, got my share of tickets then but hey, I deserved them.

Never had too much negative to say about 'the man'

[dhunt]

Hey I was following a :Police: the other day who was doing the usual 99.9km/h and I wanted to pass him but wasn't game enough. Fortuneatly after about 15-20minutes he pulled over.

Just wondering what everyone does when they come up to a cop. I've have passed them in the past by creeping past them in a passing lane at ~108km/h and slowly losing them.

David

[Jackrat]

Red SS como' on glenbrook rd anytime of day.
This guy seems to work Waiuku,to Matamata,and has LOT'S of customers.
I see him a lot.
Errrr,never had a speeding ticket in NZ,only one in OZ.
Most of my mates have been pinged while riding in front of me,
two or three hundred meters seems to do it :stupid:

[jrandom]

Considerate on-coming driver flashed a warning (this seems to be a dying custom - I wonder why??)

I've spoken to more than one person labouring under the delusion that doing so is somehow illegal. The propaganda is having effects over and above its direct message, I believe. People are becoming afraid of transgressing their preprogrammed doublethink. Soon, the entire population will be self-regulating, and the LTSA bosses will be able to can the Police traffic funding and pay the resultant savings directly to themselves as performance bonuses.


I'm beginning to get a little paranoid...

I'd be careful about mentioning it. I hear the government has a secret program to spy on paranoid people.

[SPORK]

Here we go again, jrandom getting all Orwillien on us. You will scare off people if you keep it up. Here, everyone go here, it will make you ashamed to be a New Zealander
http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=287

PS - Jrandom, how did you find the Nightwish?

[James Deuce]

For a while the Camera outside the Petone Bowland was a problem cause if you were heading from Wellington, you couldn't see the 70kph sign cause it was hidden in the bushes, so you were still going 100. Caught my dad a couple of times.

That camera has been there for a decade, as has the 70km/h speed limit. There is also a small 70km/h sign mounted on the concrete median barrier, about 100 metres before you go under the Petone overbridge.

[cycosis]

Hey I was following a :Police: the other day who was doing the usual 99.9km/h and I wanted to pass him but wasn't game enough. Fortuneatly after about 15-20minutes he pulled over.

Just wondering what everyone does when they come up to a cop. I've have passed them in the past by creeping past them in a passing lane at ~108km/h and slowly losing them.

David
i normaly wait 4 a car to pass it and follow the car.seems to work

[jrandom]

PS - Jrandom, how did you find the Nightwish?

I didn't! As in I spent a whole day trying to prod Kazaa into retrieving a copy of the title(s) you mentioned, and it wouldn't.

Howsabout a GMail drop if you have the MP3s, eh? ;)

[sAsLEX]

seen many a cop, as has FF and MR, on the new Waikato expresssways. These must be the safest roads currently in our fair land yet the police still hide on the overpasses trying to stop the nasty murders doing a little over 110.

[Firefight]

seen many a cop, as has FF and MR, on the new Waikato expresssways. These must be the safest roads currently in our fair land yet the police still hide on the overpasses trying to stop the nasty murders doing a little over 110.


Thank you for reminding me about that day Alex :angry: I have not been the same since, :crazy: :confused2 I have tried to forget about it !!and thought that I had , however this thoughtless post of yours has opened old wounds :disapint: .

It is the only time in my life that I have been given the fingers by a member of the :Police: ..

F/F :wacko:

[JohnBoy]

have learnt to be on the look out for suspect looking BA XR6's, i have come across two crusing SH3 between Htown and Te Awamutu, one black and one red. these cars are quite low key and its not until you are close up that you can see the lights in the back. nearly have passed them without noticing (at full steam!)
these jokers only seem to be hanging around for a couple of weeks and then they must move on, so be on the look out if you venture as far as the mighty waikato.

[NC]

Swason RD, Westy land. 75 in a 50 $360
National Park 148 in a 100 $630
Kahikatea Dr, Hamilton 82 in a 60 $300 & somethin
And another one in Hamilton for 'going through a intersection too fast..
Heh damnit..

[Mongoose]

For all you paranoid wanna be speedsters down here would be a dangerous place to be at times.
At any given weekend you could have the Rural Breath Testing aka Booze Bus Boys, and/or the TAG Boys plus the local HP and local T Calls and just to keep you on your toes, the local cops could be out.
Dare say its the same around NZ on most weekends.

[marty]

these jokers only seem to be hanging around for a couple of weeks and then they must move on, so be on the look out if you venture as far as the mighty waikato.

that's exactly what they do. they move the plain cars en masse to another area - north waikato, south waikato, the bay, taupo, vegas etc. you never know when they will show up again.

[Coldkiwi]

that's exactly what they do. they move the plain cars en masse to another area - north waikato, south waikato, the bay, taupo, vegas etc. you never know when they will show up again.

Not sure if its related, but I was in Blenhiem for a wedding this weekend and the people driving up from Chch saw no less than 11 patrol cars on the trip. My cousin in law was pulled over (but not actually ticketed) on the way down for doing.....101 kph!!!!

Gee, isn't it nice to be driving/riding on such SAFE roads because there is so much speed enforcement.

Be thankfull you're not in Marlborough folks (and my condolences to the local looking guys on the TL1000S and GSXR 600 who I saw done there - I'm sure you're on this site??) that appeared to be locals- the plod must be a real pain in the butt to live with.

[vifferman]

there are plenty of threads - good and bad, about how/where/when/why bikers have been stopped by the boys. I thought i's start one here, no bitching allowed, just for information's sake, so it can be browsed to see where the hot spots are.Can't tell you where I was pinged, as I didn't recognise the policeman's description (although he too pains to tell me where it was.) Some passing lane, north of Warkworth, with a layby with chickens running around in it.
No bitching from me - it was a fair cop, and the man was very polite, very pleasant, and didn't lecture me or anything.
Wasn't sure what to say when he asked my why I was exceeding the speed limit; in hindsight, I should've told him the truth, and said my knees hurt, and I was in a hurry to get home, and I'd been buffeted around following friggin 4WDs for several kms and got pissed off with it. And that it was fun going fast.:o

[Hitcher]

Kaikoura was crawling with HPs on Friday. I suspect the truck vs car fatality at Clarence the day before (Great skidmarks. Suspect "suicide by truck") and the "Seafest" at the weekend were motivations for a heightened presence.

[vifferman]

Kaikoura was crawling with HPs on Friday. I suspect the truck vs car fatality at Clarence the day before (Great skidmarks. Suspect "suicide by truck") and the "Seafest" at the weekend were motivations for a heightened presence.Hi, Hitcher. How was your trip? (Or is there info about it somewhere else on KB?)
I guess it rains clowns in Africa?

[Hitcher]

Hi, Hitcher. How was your trip? (Or is there info about it somewhere else on KB?)
I guess it rains clowns in Africa?
Trip report in progress. 4,080km in the fortnight. Good weather throughout. I'll endeavour to post some photos this time...

[MikeL]

it was a fair cop, and the man was very polite, very pleasant, and didn't lecture me or anything.
Wasn't sure what to say when he asked my why I was exceeding the speed limit

Interesting... my experience was similar, except that he didn't even bother asking me for an explanation. No lecture, no attempt to induce guilt, just a polite but impersonal procedure. Almost, dare I say, a business transaction.
And if it hadn't been for the demerit points, I would have willingly viewed it in the same way. A simple tax imposition. The Road Fun Tax.

[jrandom]

No lecture, no attempt to induce guilt, just a polite but impersonal procedure. Almost, dare I say, a business transaction.

Mine too. He knew, and I knew, that there wasn't a snowball's chance in hell he was going to let me off.

He also knew that in spite of the prima facie facts, there was no real danger inherent in my behaviour.

Browbeating me would have been a pointless waste of time.

My red-light-running a few days later was much more dangerous, but only half as expensive. Funnily enough, our friend on the ST1100 was positively beaming as he wrote out that ticket. His questions about how economical the FXR was to run, followed up by the point that it 'wasn't so cheap this week, was it?' were nothing less than sadistic.

[Lou Girardin]

You're all a bunch of killers in waiting and I'm disgusted.
Disgusted that I've got no ticket war stories to tell.
And stories of ones I've avoided thanks to Mike Valentine, aren't that interesting.
PS Does anyone know what the road toll is to date. The LTSA and Pleece are very quiet on the subject. (Embarrassed?)

[Wenier]

Doesnt matter where you go around marlborough look out cause theres HPs on the way to CHCH and to Nelson and all over blenheim.

[MD]

There was a black commodore plain car working the Hutt motorway today.
He was patrolling Featherston-Martinborough on Sunday 3rd but what freaked me today was some poor sod caught by a bright red Falcon with mag wheels and spoilers !! Now that's damn near entrapment. You know, red rag to a bull sort of.., well whatever. I think its as low as the underarm bowling incident. :mad:

[marty]

. His questions about how economical the FXR was to run, followed up by the point that it 'wasn't so cheap this week, was it?' were nothing less than sadistic.
you've gotta admit that it's pretty funny though :)

[Stevo]

Aye. Seafest and the Friday of Labour Weekend are fantastic times to avoid a quick trip to Chch from Blenheim or vice versa. Tis nothing to see 3 coppers on the 25 km trip from Picton to Blenheim.

Yet to catch me............ But of course I don't speed :msn-wink: Too many demerits already for speedin!

[jrandom]

you've gotta admit that it's pretty funny though :)

Hmmmph. I'd be happy to have missed that particular punchline. For $150 I could get quite a lot of tickets to stand-up comedy evenings. :moon:

[scumdog]

You're all a bunch of killers in waiting and I'm disgusted.
Disgusted that I've got no ticket war stories to tell.
And stories of ones I've avoided thanks to Mike Valentine, aren't that interesting.
PS Does anyone know what the road toll is to date. The LTSA and Pleece are very quiet on the subject. (Embarrassed?)

Embarrassed? embarrassed? the last time I was embarrassed was when me mum caught me spanking the monkey - on front of her blue-rinse set mates!!

I've only got the one "war story" 156kmh in second gear, BFD I got pinged so I ain't a saint after all!! :moon:

[spudchucka]

PS Does anyone know what the road toll is to date. The LTSA and Pleece are very quiet on the subject. (Embarrassed?)

Road deaths
As at 4 Oct 2004 332
Same time last year 354
Last 12 months 439
Its on the LTSA home page. No one is being quiet or embarressed about it.

The bandito is a desperado!

[marty]

no - just a troll. and not a very good one either.

[igor]

there used toi be this guy who worked in cambridge who was a real nazi.

i then saw him on the waikato booze bus but ant seen him for a while

thank christ for that :shifty:

[marty]

i reckon. give 'is own mother a ticket he would...

[vifferman]

i reckon. give 'is own mother a ticket he would...My mother was doing very well in the "never ever had a ticket" department, until she got snapped 3 times in 24 hours by the same camera near her home (in an accident black-spot, of course. Thousands of people had been needlessly slaughtered in that very spot by vicious lawbreakers like my Mum.)

Bloody good job too, that she got snapped. You've got to watch these old-aged pensioners in their powerful Boy-Racer Toymotor Starlet 1300 automatics. They're prepared to kill, y'know. Tax 'em, that's what I say; doesn't take much to blow a big hole in their pensions so they can't afford to buy gas. That's the way to keep these evildoers off the road.:headbang:

[rodgerd]

The propaganda is having effects over and above its direct message, I believe. People are becoming afraid of transgressing their preprogrammed doublethink. Soon, the entire population will be self-regulating,

Yeah, wouldn't that be awful if people started obeying the law! Quick, jrandom, wake up the sheeple to the need to break the law! Start advocating for rape and burglary, too!

[igor]

My mother was doing very well in the "never ever had a ticket" department, until she got snapped 3 times in 24 hours by the same camera near her home (in an accident black-spot, of course. Thousands of people had been needlessly slaughtered in that very spot by vicious lawbreakers like my Mum.)

Bloody good job too, that she got snapped. You've got to watch these old-aged pensioners in their powerful Boy-Racer Toymotor Starlet 1300 automatics. They're prepared to kill, y'know. Tax 'em, that's what I say; doesn't take much to blow a big hole in their pensions so they can't afford to buy gas. That's the way to keep these evildoers off the road.:headbang:

if ya dumb enuf to be snapped by a speed camera ya should get two tickets. one for speeding and one for being a blind doork

geez i neva had one yet but hey the AG100 only does 95kmh flat out

[Yokai]

if ya dumb enuf to be snapped by a speed camera ya should get two tickets. one for speeding and one for being a blind doork

geez i neva had one yet but hey the AG100 only does 95kmh flat out

You in Auckland? Do you park on Elliot?

Yokai

[igor]

You in Auckland? Do you park on Elliot?

Yokai

nah I'm not an Eliot type of guy. I'd rather prefer a Stefan type of guy. :Oi:

[jrandom]

Yeah, wouldn't that be awful if people started obeying the law! Quick, jrandom, wake up the sheeple to the need to break the law! Start advocating for rape and burglary, too!

A little contextual reflection would have served you well, on this occasion.

My point was that flashing one's headlights is not, in fact, illegal.

[marty]

?????????????????????????????????????wtf?????????? ??????????????????????????

oh you mean the hair dresser.....

[DEATH_INC.]

Just digressing a bit here,I've been pinged heaps on the motorway north between the bridge and albany,and there's often a snake with a gun just before the mt welly offramp heading south.I've also been done a couple of times around wellsford (16) as have a couple of other mates.

[JohnBoy]

dont have much respect for the current system of "Speed Kills"
its clear that it ant working (well only for the gov's bank balance)
i lost my licence in a period of just under 2 years for:
120k in 100, 124k in 100, dobed in by joe public for overtaking on double yellows (as in not caught by pigs!) and finally 62k in a fifty (the bugger was waiting at a bottom of a hill parked in a driveway with a mufty car!)
this stupid system cost me 3 months off the bike, a pay rise at work, loss of insurance and now i have to pay 2x what i paid when i owned a Ducati!!
when i lived in welly the company i worked for was contracted to work at the LTSA headquarters. i tell you what, these jokers spend more time worrying what colour their walls in thier offices are to care about us! we must of repainted that whole place atleast twice while i was there!

[Yokai]

nah I'm not an Eliot type of guy. I'd rather prefer a Stefan type of guy. :Oi:
You park on Stefan? Doesn't he get annoyed with that? :whistle:

I noticed yesterday that the AG100I thought might have been you wasn't an AG... sorry...

Yokai -

[spudchucka]

this stupid system cost me 3 months off the bike, a pay rise at work, loss of insurance and now i have to pay 2x what i paid when i owned a Ducati!!
Take some ownership of your own actions, don't blame the system because you screwed up.

[scumdog]

dont have much respect for the current system of "Speed Kills"
its clear that it ant working (well only for the gov's bank balance)
i lost my licence in a period of just under 2 years for:
120k in 100, 124k in 100, dobed in by joe public for overtaking on double yellows (as in not caught by pigs!) and finally 62k in a fifty (the bugger was waiting at a bottom of a hill parked in a driveway with a mufty car!)
this stupid system cost me 3 months off the bike, a pay rise at work, loss of insurance and now i have to pay 2x what i paid when i owned a Ducati!!
when i lived in welly the company i worked for was contracted to work at the LTSA headquarters. i tell you what, these jokers spend more time worrying what colour their walls in thier offices are to care about us! we must of repainted that whole place atleast twice while i was there!

Coulda been worse, you might have decided to break another law that says you must drive/ride on the left side of the road :wacko:

[Stevo]

I got caught doing 78 down Deans Ave in Chch at 230 in the morning in Jan this year. Admittedly I thought it was a 60 kph road but knew I had effed up. The very youngish, attractive looking female cop who was passenger asked wot exactly I had been doing since it was 230 am and I said I hadn't been drinking and she proved me right. Though she just about wet herself laughing :killingme :killingme when I told her (a bit too honestly perhaps) that I had been in town shagging. :o

:doh: But she didn't let me off though said she prob would have I wasn't exceeding the limit quite so much. Cos I think at least she could see the funny side of it, (more than some cops can seem to) and cos there was no traffic anywhere to be seen pretty much. :whocares: I got the effing ticket.

So off I go with my tail between my legs, but otherwise satisfied with a good night.

[MD]

Take some ownership of your own actions, don't blame the system because you screwed up.
I know this is old ground but seriously Spud and Scumdog, can you hold your hand on your heart and say Johnboy's accumulative punishment fitted the heineous acts of minor speed infringements. We're not talking about the fine itself, that's a fair cop. I think JB's point is he accepted the fines, as most of us do, its the flow on effects of demerits that is double punishment i.e loss of income, job at risk, insurance. This I find hard to accept as fair when some arsehole can rape, murder and steal, do some time (ever decreasing lengths at that) and get $100k compensation on the way through. Is it me or is something out of balance here? Minor infringement with no intention to do harm vs premeditated criminal acts intended to cause harm.

[scumdog]

I know this is old ground but seriously Spud and Scumdog, can you hold your hand on your heart and say Johnboy's accumulative punishment fitted the heineous acts of minor speed infringements. We're not talking about the fine itself, that's a fair cop. I think JB's point is he accepted the fines, as most of us do, its the flow on effects of demerits that is double punishment i.e loss of income, job at risk, insurance. This I find hard to accept as fair when some arsehole can rape, murder and steal, do some time (ever decreasing lengths at that) and get $100k compensation on the way through. Is it me or is something out of balance here? Minor infringement with no intention to do harm vs premeditated criminal acts intended to cause harm.

I hear where you're coming from MD, and to make it worse it is the decent people who DO pay their fines, however what in your opinion would be the 'correct' way to handle speeding? ignore anybody who exceeds the limit by less than 25kmh?, cut the fines in half? or .....?
Something IS out of balance but how to put it right? Judges are ex-lawyers and don't see crims the way I do (in most cases) and the punishments reflect that.
The only thing I can say is that most tickets are 'preventible' events if the rider/driver has their wits about them but yeah, there is an imbalance there.

[spudchucka]

Yes the justice system has many faults and the fact that you can $400 instant fine for now WOF and rego but burglars get a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket is absolutely f**ked.

But blaming the system for your woes when you have clearly screwed up and been caught is also wrong. There is far too many people trying to blame someone else for their own problems in this country. New Zealand needs an attitude transplant.

[The Pastor]

One more ticket and I loose my licence (from car incidents) Yeah All my tickets have been on the motorway tho. I should learn faster :S

[MD]

Cheers Guys. As soon as I read my post I thought "what's this crap I'm on about. My posts are getting too serious I need to lighten up" Time to scroll through some of Scumdog's posts for some good old fashioned laughs. You ever tried stand up comedy SD. Now where's that ripper about your bedroom accident. That had me in stitches.
Now I'm off to find some consultants to dream up a fair justice system for our perfect world. Keep up the good fight- just do it under 100 kph OK

[igor]

have ya seen the little cutie working for the Highway Xtortion in the Waikato.

ya no if ya stopped by her

the peircing blue eyes go right through ya

man they be the bluest eyes about i seen :not:

[merv]

I hear where you're coming from MD, and to make it worse it is the decent people who DO pay their fines, however what in your opinion would be the 'correct' way to handle speeding? ignore anybody who exceeds the limit by less than 25kmh?, cut the fines in half? or .....?
Something IS out of balance but how to put it right? Judges are ex-lawyers and don't see crims the way I do (in most cases) and the punishments reflect that.
The only thing I can say is that most tickets are 'preventible' events if the rider/driver has their wits about them but yeah, there is an imbalance there.

The whole speeding thing and being ticketed needs an overhaul in my opinion. At the end of the day if someone is ticketed at 2.30am like Stevo was, what's the safety lesson in that? None as far as I can see!!

Safety in transport is all about trying to minimise hazards but still having vehicles move, which by its very nature has a risk associated with it. We can't be regulated to the point of paralysis, but the do-gooders will cause that if we are not careful and we will all have to go by public transport.

Its all about judgement to suit the conditions - what is safe at 2.30am on an empty road may not be at 5.15pm when its crowded with push bikes and other such things. I would love to see there be no rules about speeding infringements per se but use of a modified version of the dangerous driving rules whereby the cops use discretion to ping you if what you were doing was dangerous at the time. I know, I know it would be hard to define, but that's the sort of direction it should go in. I think it was you SD that mentioned wipe outs on wet corners at well under the speed limit. That is poor judgement and dangerous driving/riding on that person's part.

When I'm cruising down the road I could always point out people who are accidents (great word that) waiting to happen, but I never see the cops pinging them.

So instead of demerits, why aren't we getting merits for no insurance claims, crashes or whatever and I mean from the Govt not just our insurance company. Could be dealt with through the ACC levy and then rego should include compulsory 3rd party insurance to cover the dickheads as well.

Having had my licence for over 34 years and having never had an insurance claim for a crash caused by me or anyone else I feel insulted when some young cop stops me for doing 111km/hr or whatever and implies I was doing something dangerous. Like his judgement is way better than mine - sure son. Oh that's right he's just doing his job.

Its the reactive do-gooders that are the problem though - any problem they rush in with more, ever restrictive actions. Penalise the many for the sake of the few dickheads - that is always what happens. Someone crashes, the cries go out to lower the speed limit on that road. Why not just fine the bastard heavily that crashed and make them do community service or something. Why should all of us have to slow to 80 on a road we have never crashed on?

Our (the white guys that is) forefathers came to this land to escape the oppression of their masters in Pomgolia or wherever to start in a new land of freedom. Well bugger me but less than 200 years later the rot has set in and the freedoms have disappeared and its rules, rules, rules and taxes, taxes and taxes (or read as fines). There is no Eutopia anymore. Basically even in my lifetime I have seen such a serious decline in the acceptance of responsibility, a blame culture and therefore more rules and oppression.

I am not impressed but Govts always listen to the squeaky wheel which is usually some aggrieved person that won't accept that they or their loved ones should have accepted responsibility for their actions or at least some other dickhead should have.

How we beat it I'm buggered if I know because it is a world phenomenon that has been rife in USA for years as they have grown fat dumb and happy until the lawsuit arrives. Only the lawyers get rich from this stuff, everyone else feels the pain.

[marty]

stop dribbling over her igor - she's got a man

[igor]

stop dribbling over her igor - she's got a man

whose dribbling, for all u no i could be gay and looking for a stefan.

wanna go on a organised bike tour http://www.gaytravel.net.nz/nz/NZTour1.html :moon:

[Motu]

RIngs a BEll.....

[MikeL]

Having had my licence for over 34 years and having never had an insurance claim for a crash caused by me or anyone else I feel insulted when some young cop stops me for doing 111km/hr or whatever and implies I was doing something dangerous. Like his judgement is way better than mine - sure son. Oh that's right he's just doing his job.


I agree entirely, Merv. I got a ticket for doing 111 kph recently, on a good road, in fine weather, with light traffic and no obvious hazard. I didn't bother arguing with the cop about whether my behaviour was dangerous. I knew it wasn't, he knew it wasn't, but the law is the law and he had a quota to fill.
The fact that I now have some demerit points against my name for the first time ever will probably make me slow down in future, but in what way will that make a meaningful contribution to road safety? I a;dmit that it wasn't the first time I've exceeded the speed limit. In 37 years of driving/riding I've never come anywhere near killing or injuring anyone through excesive speed or blatant disregard of basic road rules. The most significant consequence of my ticket will be a lingering resentment against an arbitrary and unfair system which penalizes behaviour regardless of circumstances. Because resentment against an impersonal system is pointless, it will naturally be redirected against those who apply it. Can the police expect co-operation and consideration from me when they need help, information or support? Give me one good reason why...

[jrandom]

Can the police expect co-operation and consideration from me when they need help, information or support? Give me one good reason why...

Oh dear. You've been brooding, haven't you, Mike? Or was that a troll? We should help the police when what they're doing serves the general public good.

But civil disobedience in all other cases would be, at the very least, understandable, if not strictly justifiable.

Meet you beside the Waikumete speed camera at 0200 tomorrow. Bring your angle grinder.

[scumdog]

I agree entirely, Merv. I got a ticket for doing 111 kph recently, on a good road, in fine weather, with light traffic and no obvious hazard. I didn't bother arguing with the cop about whether my behaviour was dangerous. I knew it wasn't, he knew it wasn't, but the law is the law and he had a quota to fill.

Because resentment against an impersonal system is pointless, it will naturally be redirected against those who apply it. Can the police expect co-operation and consideration from me when they need help, information or support? Give me one good reason why...

Thing is MikeL, sometimes it is easier to think along the lines of a 'blanket cover' instead of this mythical thing called 'discretion', i.e. no need to think whether it's safe etc - you broke the law - you pay, also the poor sod might just have finished getting a bollocking for lack of 'productivity' a.k.a. 'quota' and you happened along at just the right time for him (it happens).


Sadly, if you took the time to think about the sequence of events, by not assisting the police you would be helping the criminals (potentially) and your lack of forthcomming info is no skin off the cops nose, - I know from experience.
So while it might make you feel good by saying 'eff you' because you got a ticket - that's all it does, makes YOU feel good for a short time, meanwhile the bad guy gets away with whatever.

[spudchucka]

Can the police expect co-operation and consideration from me when they need help, information or support? Give me one good reason why...
Because it might be your family member, your neighbour, your workmate or simply some other poor victim of a crime that the police are trying to help.

This arguement is raised often by those who resent traffic fines but it is shallow and lacks any empathy for people that are in need and requiring the assistance of the police. Until you have been in the situation where you desperately need the assistance of the police, that arguement has no merit.

If people really are that shallow then what has society become that they would not assist police at the expense of someone that is a victim or potential victim because they got a speeding ticket from a cop. The country needs to grow up a lot if people really do think like this.

[dhunt]

Can the police expect co-operation and consideration from me when they need help, information or support? Give me one good reason why...
Two wrongs doesn't equal a right. One example of this although not true is in the spiderman movie. Spiderman fights some big guy for some money and only gets a fraction of what he was suppose to get. Then while leaving some guy holds up the guy that was suppose to pay spiderman and nicks the money. Spiderman just lets him go right past him (as upset about not getting his money) and doesn't try and stop him at all. Then later he finds a big scene out side and finds his uncle dead. The crook killed his uncle to get his car to get away in. Now if he had stopped him in the first place his uncle would still be alive.

My $0.02 anyway.

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=merv]The whole speeding thing and being ticketed needs an overhaul in my opinion. At the end of the day if someone is ticketed at 2.30am like Stevo was, what's the safety lesson in that? None as far as I can see!!

Chill out merv, I know it is annoying but in lifes journey it is but a minor hiccup eh?

I have heard those excuses before and my answer is "if you really think it's valid write to the Infringement Burea" - but of course we all know nobody gets off once you get the ticket.

The other point I would like to make is that where do you draw the line i.e. it was an o.k. speed for 2:30am but what about 3:30 and 4:30 etc, when does it suddenly become not safe?

[scumdog]

Two wrongs doesn't equal a right. One example of this although not true is in the spiderman movie. Spiderman fights some big guy for some money and only gets a fraction of what he was suppose to get. Then while leaving some guy holds up the guy that was suppose to pay spiderman and nicks the money. Spiderman just lets him go right past him (as upset about not getting his money) and doesn't try and stop him at all. Then later he finds a big scene out side and finds his uncle dead. The crook killed his uncle to get his car to get away in. Now if he had stopped him in the first place his uncle would still be alive.

My $0.02 anyway.

Yeah, it happened just like that at the Kaitangata pub last week :wacko: :blink:

[Jackrat]

Thought this wasn't supposed to turn into a gripe session??
Anyway here's what I saw today,,made my day it did too.
Was out at Pukekohe picking up yet another victim of somebody elses bad driving(they all say that)When I spot a certain red SS Commodor,driven by a young Maori cop with no hair(dunno why they shave their heads).
Anyway he's parked around fifty meters from a stop sign and standing by his car,obvious as the nose on your face.It's lunch time so I sit an watch,in half an hour he nabs three people for not stopping :killingme :killingme :killingme
At this rate he's doing me out of a job. :msn-wink:

[Stevo]

[QUOTE=merv]The whole speeding thing and being ticketed needs an overhaul in my opinion. At the end of the day if someone is ticketed at 2.30am like Stevo was, what's the safety lesson in that? None as far as I can see!!
The other point I would like to make is that where do you draw the line i.e. it was an o.k. speed for 2:30am but what about 3:30 and 4:30 etc, when does it suddenly become not safe?

Yeah yeah and for once I got a ticket and once the serious part was over I was laughing just from seeing this cop's reaction to my big mouth blabbing out honestly and quickly.

There is a time and place for everything and it was the right time of day to "Get away" with speeding but certainly not the place.............. ie. central Chch. It was more absent mindedness that cost me this particular ticket and that was certainly more dangerous than my speed. I deserved it but am over it ........ So what?

[Stevo]

I actually feel guilty now cos I SO should have dobbed a guy in two weekends ago. The Mrs and I road to Kaikoura with Kickaha who was on his way home to Chch, then we split and turned around to come home again. Just north of Kaikoura we passed this blue Lexus on the big long straights round that area then surprisingly half way back to Picton he caught up to us on the bikes and passed us and he must have narrowly missed being pinged by a marked car hiding of the side of the road........................
Point is....... What the two of us saw in the next 20 mins was incredible stupidity!!! Like overtaking coming up to a blind left hand corner (at which time I virtually prayed for another car not to come round it in the opposite direction) and other equally stupid but not quite as bad as that overtaking manoevres. We sat about a 100 yards or so behind easily keeping up by overtaking in more sensible places BUT am now kicking myself for not calling *555 to report him. Cos this Effwit got away with some REALLY DANGEROUS stuff.

My guilt ever since has ensured that I will if ever this happens again!

[Stevo]

Surely if he could afford the Lexus he could afford the infringement too. LOL.

[spudchucka]

Anyway he's parked around fifty meters from a stop sign and standing by his car,obvious as the nose on your face.It's lunch time so I sit an watch,in half an hour he nabs three people for not stopping :killingme :killingme :killingme
At this rate he's doing me out of a job. :msn-wink:
Spend half an hour watching a busy stop sign controlled intersection and see how many drivers actually stop, f**k all.

I pinged an old dude years ago who cruised through a stop sign at something like 30 Kph. He swore black and blue that he had stopped. I left him blabbering at the roadside and an hour or so later when I was next in the station I had the Senior Sergeant giving me shit because the geezer had phoned up to complain and the Senior had been getting it in the neck for about half an hour. Apparently after the lengthy conversation the old guy finished by saying that it was not fair to ticket him because he had "almost stopped".

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=Mark Dunn]Cheers Guys. As soon as I read my post I thought "what's this crap I'm on about. My posts are getting too serious I need to lighten up" Time to scroll through some of Scumdog's posts for some good old fashioned laughs. You ever tried stand up comedy SD. Now where's that ripper about your bedroom accident. That had me in stitches.
Now I'm off to find some consultants to dream up a fair justice system for our perfect world. Keep up the good fight- just do it under 100 kph OK[/QUOTE

Never thought of stand-up comedy, however I have a black-belt rating when it comes to talking shit - just anybody that's been at a rally when I've been drinking - and sometimes even when I haven't, but mostly it takes a drink or two to enhance my cerebral process and encourage verbal dairrho to the max.

[Stevo]

Apparently after the lengthy conversation the old guy finished by saying that it was not fair to ticket him because he had "almost stopped".

:killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme

[scumdog]

Spend half an hour watching a busy stop sign controlled intersection and see how many drivers actually stop, f**k all.

I pinged an old dude years ago who cruised through a stop sign at something like 30 Kph. He swore black and blue that he had stopped. I left him blabbering at the roadside and an hour or so later when I was next in the station I had the Senior Sergeant giving me shit because the geezer had phoned up to complain and the Senior had been getting it in the neck for about half an hour. Apparently after the lengthy conversation the old guy finished by saying that it was not fair to ticket him because he had "almost stopped".

Local old geezer failed his 70+ driving test because he cruised through a stop sign, was mightily ticked-off because "well there was nothing coming, was there?" :killingme

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=Stevo]I actually feel guilty now cos I SO should have dobbed a guy in two weekends ago. The Mrs and I road to Kaikoura with Kickaha who was on his way home to Chch, then we split and turned around to come home again. Just north of Kaikoura we passed this blue Lexus on the big long straights round that area then surprisingly half way back to Picton he caught up to us on the bikes and passed us and he must have narrowly missed being pinged by a marked car hiding of the side of the road........................
Point is....... What the two of us saw in the next 20 mins was incredible stupidity!!! Like overtaking coming up to a blind left hand corner (at which time I virtually prayed for another car not to come round it in the opposite direction) and other equally stupid but not quite as bad as that overtaking manoevres. We sat about a 100 yards or so behind easily keeping up by overtaking in more sensible places BUT am now kicking myself for not calling *555 to report him. Cos this Effwit got away with some REALLY DANGEROUS stuff.QUOTE]

DO IT! the life you save may be your own, it's not 'dobbing in' or narking', it's common sense and these f...wits are depending on public complacency to enable them to get away with it. - "all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing"

[Stevo]

Aye.
Realise it was a mistake to not do it. Been kickin my own arse ever since. Like I said............ At one point I really was praying for a car to not come the otherway

[MikeL]

The country needs to grow up a lot if people really do think like this.

I think we covered this in a similar thread some while back.

My point is that more and more people, rightly or wrongly, are reacting in this way to what they see as inappropriate police priorities. If you think this is an immature response (and I'm not going to argue on that one), two questions come to mind:
1. Is there any concern either at grass-roots level or higher up at the changing public perception of the police, or is it assumed that this attitude can be discounted, ignored, disregarded as irrelevant or unimportant?
2. If the police wanted to change this perception, how would they go about it?

BTW the suggestion that I would either resort to civil disobedience or refuse to come to the aid of someone in an emergency is an erroneous interpretation of what I wrote. I know what my legal obligations are and I will comply with them. Anything beyond that will have to be judged on a case-by-case basis, according to the circumstances...

[spudchucka]

1. Is there any concern either at grass-roots level or higher up at the changing public perception of the police, or is it assumed that this attitude can be discounted, ignored, disregarded as irrelevant or unimportant?

Yes it is something that is a constant hot potato in all police stations that I have ever had anything to do with. The troops at grass roots level get pretty slacked off with what is to them an imbalance in priorities. Ranks from Senior Sergeant upwards are generally all true company men, I guess they have to be to attain the rank in the first place. The police association often highlights this imbalance on behalf of the troops, the following is by Greg O'Connor, the president of the police association. If you want to see the article you can download the whole newsletter at http://www.nzpa.org.nz/

Sorry about the wierd looking text but it is a direct cut & paste from the online newsletter.


From the President
The government’s priorities
The first thing we all learn as police
officers is to do what we are told, to
obey lawful orders.
Despite the fact that much recruiting
and policy literature promotes and
encourages adopting a problem solving
and innovative approach to situations
officers encounter in their daily policing
lives, we all know that at times we all
must defer to and adopt organisational
philosophies and strategies.
Community policing is one of these
philosophies. Crime crash reduction is
another. Driver behaviour has improved
and road deaths and injuries have
reduced as a result of stringent policing
on the nation’s roads.
Police are specifically funded by LTSA
to police the roads, the crash element
of that philosophy. Strict auditing of
that expenditure is possible through our
time sheets and infringement returns.
The government have prioritised road
safety to the extent that what was 10%
of the budget at integration is now over
25%. However, it has under-invested in
the other two areas, which also impact
greatly on road deaths, education
and more importantly, better road
engineering - as two horrific head-on
crashes showed in late August. Instead,
the government has decided to rely on
enforcement to achieve its goals.
That decision has had two immediate
impacts on policing. The first is that
greater police emphasis has naturally
been placed on enforcement. The public
have felt the impact of this strategy
and in many cases reacted negatively,
even though the vast majority of people
accept they are driving slower as a
result, and therefore their chances of
being killed on the roads are reduced.
The second impact has been that the
government has failed to keep up with
population and monetary inflation in
the non-road policing area, i.e. the
crime component of the crime crash
reduction. That area of policing is
struggling, especially around reducing
methamphetamine availability and gang
activity. The public gain the perception
that their police have their priorities
wrong and react accordingly.
Perhaps it will take the Health
Department or ACC to fund the Police
and demand the same accountability as
LTSA to get action in this area.
In the meantime, the Police Association
will continue to place pressure on
politicians to use all the tools available
to them to make the roads safer. We
will also work to ensure that the public
understand that it is continued failure
of government to utilise strategies
other than enforcement,
which drives
the current
model of
policing.
“…the Police Association will continue to
place pressure on politicians to use all the
tools available to them to make the roads
safer”.


2. If the police wanted to change this perception, how would they go about it?
That is a far too broad matter to truely be considered with any merit on a public internet forum.


BTW the suggestion that I would either resort to civil disobedience or refuse to come to the aid of someone in an emergency is an erroneous interpretation of what I wrote. I know what my legal obligations are and I will comply with them. Anything beyond that will have to be judged on a case-by-case basis, according to the circumstances...
I wasn't suggesting that you specifically would act in that manner but rather that the attitude you presented suggests that a person with that attitude may behave in that way.

[igor]

I am really Pi#sed as I have not had a speeding ticket since 1988.

geez what am I doing wrong. I drive about 40000kms a year and no tickets.

All these people getting ticketed for 11kmh over the limit and still i never get one.

gee it must be because I always speed in the right place not like all the sensible people who speed in the wrong places. they may as well also walk into a pub in Otara and go "someone punch me in the head quick" :moon:

[vifferman]

I am really Pi#sed as I have not had a speeding ticket since 1988.

geez what am I doing wrong. I drive about 40000kms a year and no tickets.

All these people getting ticketed for 11kmh over the limit and still i never get one.

gee it must be because I always speed in the right place not like all the sensible people who speed in the wrong places. they may as well also walk into a pub in Otara and go "someone punch me in the head quick" :moon:Thats exactly what you just did; you're fucked now, Igor.
The Biker Gods are gonna have you, Mate.:doh:
I'd been ticket-free since 1975, and MikeL for even longer.

[igor]

i ride a AG100

but it not a yahaha like evryone think

AG means something else

and 100 means something else

ya gotta think laterally

[badlieutenant]

The police association often highlights this imbalance on behalf of the troops, the following is by Greg O'Connor, the president of the police association. If you want to see the article you can download the whole newsletter at http://www.nzpa.org.nz/

Hmmmm very interesting.
I dont like the way the government funds its departments. My head hurts at what I can only imagine is a massive (proabably self sustaining) bureaucracy just in establishing who gets what from whom and how, I am assuming the other departments have to submit budget requests as well ?

OMG, Im in the wrong career, I should have been a civil servant.

Im betting that someone some where did a costing regarding road safety and found that short term funding (with the return it provides)of police measures to make sub standard roads safer was cheaper than any other option. Which is crap if true. With a growing population and road use it sounds like false economy to me. In the future things get dearer.

[marty]

so that'll be like A G S 1000 then maybe?

[scumdog]

Hey, one from left field: IF as the nay sayers keep tellling us speed has nothing to do with road safety how come bicycles do not feature so much in general loss of control crashes resulting in serious injury/death?

They are less visible than motorbikes and the riders wear less protective gear, they also rarely high/low-side either.


Their one MAJOR difference is the speed they travel.

Comments?

[rodgerd]

I know this is old ground but seriously Spud and Scumdog, can you hold your hand on your heart and say Johnboy's accumulative punishment fitted the heineous acts of minor speed infringements.

Missed the bit where he was overtaking on double yellows, did you?

If someone's stupid enough that even with enough demrit points under theit belt that one more ticket will cost them their license, they *still* hammer round town, are they in fact too stupid to be on the road?

[rodgerd]

Can the police expect co-operation and consideration from me when they need help, information or support? Give me one good reason why...

So you won't be bothering them if you get burgled? If your neighbour is murdered tomorrow, you'll tell them, "fuck off, I'm not helping you"?

[MikeL]

So you won't be bothering them if you get burgled? If your neighbour is murdered tomorrow, you'll tell them, "fuck off, I'm not helping you"?

Read my reply to spudchucka.

it would depend which neighbour...

As for getting burgled, I certainly won't have any expectation of the police actually doing anything constructive about it, such as apprehending the offender or returning my stolen property...

[scumdog]

Read my reply to spudchucka.

it would depend which neighbour...

As for getting burgled, I certainly won't have any expectation of the police actually doing anything constructive about it, such as apprehending the offender or returning my stolen property...

Not surprised, how much would that burg cost the tax-payer? - zilch.
How much would one injury crash cost the tax-payer? - heaps.

That's the way the pollys look at it and that's the way they deploy the troops and the dollars, sad to say :argh:

[spudchucka]

Read my reply to spudchucka.

it would depend which neighbour...

As for getting burgled, I certainly won't have any expectation of the police actually doing anything constructive about it, such as apprehending the offender or returning my stolen property...
Even just taking a report is constructive police work because it helps build a picture of the offenders MO. Then when a burglar is caught, historic burg complaints are examined and the offender is interviewed about other jobs that match his MO. I've seen burglars confess to 20 - 30 historic burgs after being apprehended. You get to know how they operate and you can be at a job and think, "this looks like so & so's work", go back check their MO, next thing you have a very good suspect.

So what you might think is unconstructive might actually be very good basic police work. Bare in mind that the best way to catch burglars is in the act but sadly most burglaries are reported historicly so it takes a lot of work to nail the pricks. The chances of getting property back is allways slim because the black market is very fast moving and thieves always look to move hot property quickly.

[badlieutenant]

Hey, one from left field: IF as the nay sayers keep tellling us speed has nothing to do with road safety how come bicycles do not feature so much in general loss of control crashes resulting in serious injury/death?

They are less visible than motorbikes and the riders wear less protective gear, they also rarely high/low-side either.


Their one MAJOR difference is the speed they travel.

Comments?
and thier mass

[scumdog]

and thier mass

Going by discussions on another thread ("Leather") I would say it's more the riders mass!! :killingme

Still, mass + speed =?

And bikes are less visual/audible to motorists.



Hasty edit: naked arse!! that was my 1,000 post!! where did I get the time!! :wacko:

[MikeL]

what you might think is unconstructive might actually be very good basic police work.

I agree, and it would be good to think that the time taken to assist the police in writing up a report will be well spent. But for most people living in a metropolitan centre like Auckland, I imagine that calling the police out to the aftermath of a burglary is just a tedious formality necessary for making an insurance claim...
With little likelihood of recovering their property, or the satisfaction of seeing the offender caught and sentenced, what is in it for the victim? We repress our outrage, pay our inflated insurance premiums, shrug our shoulders and try to get on with life. Is it any surprise that the altruism and concern for community of a generation ago has been replaced with selfishness and cynicism when our perception is that the police are far more interested (or better resourced - it makes no difference) in the easy work of enforcing speed limits than the much harder job of safeguarding people's lives and property?

[magnum]

about 10 days ago saw 3 highway patrols on the karapiro straights and a camera van[red] at the top by the antiques shop,wtf :kick: farkin homos.

[scumdog]

about 10 days ago saw 3 highway patrols on the karapiro straights and a camera van[red] at the top by the antiques shop,wtf :kick: farkin homos.

Sheeeit! you saw 3 hi-way patrols, a red camera van AND farkin homos? you would think they would at least get a motel :killingme :wacko: :spudwhat:

[badlieutenant]

Sheeeit! you saw 3 hi-way patrols, a red camera van AND farkin homos? you would think they would at least get a motel :killingme :wacko: :spudwhat:
sounds like a porn setup, guys in uniform met farkin homos and get it on, camera records all :cool2:

[spudchucka]

I agree, and it would be good to think that the time taken to assist the police in writing up a report will be well spent. But for most people living in a metropolitan centre like Auckland, I imagine that calling the police out to the aftermath of a burglary is just a tedious formality necessary for making an insurance claim...
Auckland is certainly a special case and the time delays that you here about are shameful. Its just part of a wider problem, cops can't take burglary complaints when they are refereeing domestics all day and night. The recruitment rate can't keep up with the attrition rate and all the administration can do is plug holes by importing poms and dragging cops away from other districts to help out when things are really bad.

As Scumdog has pointed out, the cost involved in the annual road carnage are humongus. The Govt is going to keep on pouring resources into that area regardless of how much the public complains about it. So the only thing people can really do to bring the balance back is to push for better a funded and resourced general duties branch of the police.

[sheight]

i got pulled over a while back now, i was turning left onto a street that had four lanes, two going either way, anyhow i cruise up to the corner and only look right for oncomming cars there were none i started to nail it straight into the lane closest to the center (right hand lane) then i saw the copper on the side of the road. gutted . i then had to wait at a red traffic light with the police behind me with lights flashing telling me to " PULL OVER " and going the other way was another copper stopped at the red light watching alone with every one else lol! anyway. i thought he pulled me over for nailing it, i didnt know, but anyway i was nice and poliet and he gave me a ticket for not keeping left. appaerntly when you turn onto a two laned street you stay in the left lane. then he told me how to get off it?! he said if i worte in, you would get off. and i did what he said and i did! crazy! anyway pretty funny. why you gimme the ticket in the first place!?!?!? i never said that tho.. :yeah:

[Blakamin]

why you gimme the ticket in the first place!?!?!? i never said that tho.. :yeah:
No disrespect, spud... but "quota" springs to mind.... :shit:

[rodgerd]

The chances of getting property back is allways slim because the black market is very fast moving and thieves always look to move hot property quickly.

I've not done too badly there. Got a digital camera back, complete with pics of the crooks, and an amp and DVD player from a different burglary. Cunts got away with a ring my wife bought me, though.

[Stevo]

Back to stories without gripes and grizzles - like Marty wanted.
When I was in my teens my mate and I were coming through Blenheim one night at 130am, and I carelessly get pulled up by a typically dopey Marlborough cop (Ya know the ones that ticket elderly men for driving to slowly with their elderly wife suffering abdominal pains in the passenger seat!!!!).........
So we get the lights and sirens and drama cos I was doing above the speed limit through an industrial zone at 130am. I pull up and hop outta the ute and the cop questions me (as he is entitled to) but asks me everything twice. "Did I pull you up the other day?" (My first ever time for being pulled up), No, "Are you sure?", Yes, "Have you been drinking?", No, "Are you sure?", Yes, (Dumbass), "Do you have your license on you?", No, "Are you sure?", Yes, (WTF do you keep asking THAT!!!), "Have you been out rabbit shooting?" (hmmmm - Gee did all the rabbits and blood scattered across the deck of the truck give it away???? - Dumbass), Yes, "Ok, I want to inspected your weapons to check they are not loaded", Ok.................... Checks warrant, mileage, rego, while mate and I get the rifle and shotty out from behind the seat. He checks them, clears us and we get to go with a warning! Woohoo!!!!!

Talk about stupid!! At least all the cops who have pulled me up since have a few more braincells than this guy - even if they weren't all quite at generous as him. Nevermind. That was my first ever encouter with Policeman Smurf

[spudchucka]

No disrespect, spud... but "quota" springs to mind.... :shit:
I suppose it does a bit. I can't comment for how other cops think but to me I deal with situations as I find them, if someone gets a ticket its because an offence was disclosed and there was good reason in my mind to issue a ticket. If the person ends up getting off for any reason it makes no difference to me because I know i did my job at the time. I always tell people to write to the bureau if they have any problems with any aspect of why they were given a ticket.

As for the "quota", I'll let you know what I did in the last year. I can't remember the exact figures so these are approximates.

340ish traffic tickets
14 drink drivers processed
70 something arrests.

Now 340 tickets might sound a lot to some people but if you worked it out on a daily average it would be lucky to be 2 - 3 per day. Not quite the "quota" of 2 per hour or whatever its supposed to be.

By the way I've recently spoken to a few HP cops I know and they tell me that they are expected to pick up 1 traffic ticket per hour. Not that hard when all you are doing is patrolling the highways. Their primary function is to provide a deterent to motorists by being mobile and visible. 1 ticket per hour over a nine hour shift = 9 tickets per day. Take off a bit off time here and there that gets written off for admin and the like and they probably only "need" to issue abou 6 - 7 tickets per day, too easy.

[spudchucka]

Talk about stupid!! At least all the cops who have pulled me up since have a few more braincells than this guy - even if they weren't all quite at generous as him. Nevermind. That was my first ever encouter with Policeman Smurf

Usually people moan about cops for not warning them. You get a warning and moan because the cop asks you questions. Maybe you're just a moaner?

[Jackrat]

i got pulled over a while back now, i was turning left onto a street that had four lanes, two going either way, anyhow i cruise up to the corner and only look right for oncomming cars there were none i started to nail it straight into the lane closest to the center (right hand lane) then i saw the copper on the side of the road. gutted . i then had to wait at a red traffic light with the police behind me with lights flashing telling me to " PULL OVER " and going the other way was another copper stopped at the red light watching alone with every one else lol! anyway. i thought he pulled me over for nailing it, i didnt know, but anyway i was nice and poliet and he gave me a ticket for not keeping left. appaerntly when you turn onto a two laned street you stay in the left lane. then he told me how to get off it?! he said if i worte in, you would get off. and i did what he said and i did! crazy! anyway pretty funny. why you gimme the ticket in the first place!?!?!? i never said that tho.. :yeah:

LOL,mate come to AK an you'll find most folks up here don't know about that either.Hey it's highlighted clearly in the road code but people still don't get it.
Errrr,Spuds comments about ticket numbers is probably very correct too.
I often sit in my truck watching traffic,to a cop it must be like apples in a barrel.Watching a cop at a stop sign a few days back an in the time it took him to write up one fail to stop another 3-4 did the same thing while watching said copper.On the southern motorway,possibly more than 50% of motorists are speeding.I reckon a cop could keep the boss happy and never move from one spot.The nutters just keep coming,Amazing. :blink:
BTW I'm one of six drivers working for the same Co',we each tow an average of eight cars a day six days a week.Most of em, crashed,always somebody elses fault :wacko:

[Kwaka-Kid]

Without any more detail then i state here.
SH16, quick run, 3x HP cars got me just south of wellsford.

Now i cant afford to go on any more rides for a few years as ive nearly lost my licence.

not cool, stupid move.

Dirt here i come!

[spudchucka]

I reckon a cop could keep the boss happy and never move from one spot.The nutters just keep coming,Amazing. :blink:
BTW I'm one of six drivers working for the same Co',we each tow an average of eight cars a day six days a week.Most of em, crashed,always somebody elses fault :wacko:
Yep, if all you want to do is get some quick tickets just head to a busy stop sign controlled intersection.

One local towie down my way has done very well out of impounds. Bloody easy work for them too.

[jrandom]

Now i cant afford to go on any more rides for a few years as ive nearly lost my licence.

When did that happen?

Naughty boy.

Of course you can go on rides. You still *have* a license, don't you? Or are you... (shock!) suggesting that participation in a KB rideout implies LAWBREAKING?

[badlieutenant]

Without any more detail then i state here.
SH16, quick run, 3x HP cars got me just south of wellsford.

Now i cant afford to go on any more rides for a few years as ive nearly lost my licence.

not cool, stupid move.

Dirt here i come!

bummer KK.
Ive been telling all and sundry that that road is stuffed if you want to go fast. With the number of cars and bikes that go hard on it it was only a matter of time before they cracked down on it. We all love it, thats a good reason not to use it any more.
Bloody cages were getting dangerous on it as well, I nearly got swept from the road by some git in a celica cutting the corner a few weeks back.

did they need 3 cars to nab you ? :D

[Stevo]

Usually people moan about cops for not warning them. You get a warning and moan because the cop asks you questions. Maybe you're just a moaner?

Must be I think!
Musta been a bit early in the morning for him, LOL.

I went to Lincoln Uni about 10 years ago or so and one Fri night one of my mates wanted to go to the pub for a quiet one or two and I said no as I was not feeling so crsh hot from the night before. Anyway he convinced me so the two of us cruised down to the local where I just had soft drink while my mate had a couple of beers.
When we left it was foggy as! I did a U turn and headed quietly down the road with a car coming the other way and as it went past we noticed it was a fully marked cop car, check my speed "SHIT no lights!!!!!!!!!!!!" I flicked them on and carry on. The cop turned and followed us, then we got to 70 zone so sped up to 70 with him still following us, then eventually lights siren etc.
I hop out and he asked for my license which I give him, and he asked where I had been and I said To the Pub. He asked if I had been drinking and I said no. By this time my mate has climbed out of the car and says, "yeah thats right I bought eem a jug of lemonade". I asked the cop if he had one of the bags to blow into as I had never done that before, only the machines. He said Well there isn't much point if you haven't been drinking now is there? I replied Spose not. My mate goes "I been drinkin". It was all I could do to stop from rolling on the ground laughing as the cop breath tests my passenger!!!!!

Incidentally he blew just up to the line having had a jug and a pint of beer in about an hour or so, and the cop told us it would have been at his discretion whether he took him for further testing or not. So I still never have blown the old bag, but my mate has!!!!!!! :yes:

[Yokai]

I have good and bad stories about NZ cops - some are VERY observant some are just annoying. I like both. I've been pulled for speeding (Cages only) several times in varying jurismydictions. Every time I have been speeding. So every time I have been nothing but polite, because it's my fault. Anyways:

1) Thames Flats coming out of Kopu toward Waitakaruru. Doing 113, cop on other side of road sees me, U-eys and pulls me over. Looks at the rental that I am in - realises I am a tourist, driving on California licence. $80... Is ARSEY as shite - I mean, just "Oh you're from California?!" Nope - I'm a pom. "Oh a traveller are we then?" Nope - just moving here. "Living around here?" Nope - Auckland. "OH - You types are all like that!" writes down DOB as date that I committed the offence. Doesn't tell me anything about it... I notice, and as I have only been in the country 1 week, I don't do anything about it, because "Hey! I was speeding..." Dumb Yokai...

2) Ngaruwahia BP Station. Coming up from Taupo - back roads. Blasting along in the cage at 130 pretty much all the way. Having a lot of fun. Pull into the BP station. Get a pie. Pull out of BP station. Rapidly up to 70. Turn to Gf and say "Hey is this a 70 or a 50..."Sirens. Pull over. Cop gets out of car - walks up and says "Do you know how fast ..." I'm all "Yup - sorry - just asked the Gf if this was a 50 or a 70 - just stopped at the BP." He says - "No worries - just keep it down, K?"

So one n'Arsey and one nice. Frankly I think it's a thankless task, and if you are speeding you can't complain whatever happens.

Yokai

[Madmax]

I was being a dumd arse this morning
(spud marty scum sorry this was my fault, new bike first service)
had two large trucks in front
clean lane my side only doing 104kpm
hey XZ10R lets see how fast you can go to over take
Bad move, the beast just let out a chirp
back wheel spin,i am gone
dam ,im on the brakes
thinking if the HP are around i am in a shit load of c@@P
the next off ramp i am off for work,
on the other side of the motorway on ramp
lazer unit facing the other way
got a hard look from the chase pilot
mantra
i will be good
:mellow:

[Madmax]

I :doh: hmust say 200+ over taking is a bad thing

[sheight]

LOL,mate come to AK an you'll find most folks up here don't know about that either.Hey it's highlighted clearly in the road code but people still don't get it.


been to auckland once on my bike, when i was first in the middle of the city i couldnt figue out why when the light turns green everyone sits there for a second before taking off, untill i saw some nutter fly thru a red. other than that not too bad.

[Midnight 82]

:2guns: :kick: In my prime when you got away with fun we use to pass on the inside :cool:

[loosebruce]

IMO most cops are pretty cool, if i get pulled and i have been bad i won't give em any greif as they're just doing there job, yes sometimes i havn't stopped, okay more than a few times, but i still try to be as safe as possible in doing so, most um "getaways" are in the early hours of the morning for me, too much traffic etc etc i just stop. Hence i have lost my licence for dermits but it is my own fault and i accept that, as much as it sucks not riding.

Hot Spot's anywhere on the auckland motorways, can't be too careful.

Metal note: Must make firends with the HP whose patrol base is just down the road in Ellerslie, wonder if they like free pizza :shifty:

[marty]

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Metal note: Must make firends with the HP whose patrol base is just down the road in Ellerslie, wonder if they like free pizza :shifty:
you'd be amazed how far a couple of pizzas can go. we used to get pizzas from one of the shops in hamvegas, and suddenly all those little things that pizza delivery dudes like to try and get away with, were being got away with....

[scumdog]

Metal note: Must make firends with the HP whose patrol base is just down the road in Ellerslie, wonder if they like free pizza :shifty:

Hmmm, love pizza down here too, but would be cold by the time you got them to me so better flag that idea :(

[marty]

looks like HP are on a mission - regularly seeing 5 or 6 marked cars and the van on sh1 south of meremere. the laser was being used in the roadworks at mercer the other day. bright blue XR6 often has someone stopped on the southern motorway - watch the overtaking speeds and who you're overtaking!

[marty]

been to auckland once on my bike, when i was first in the middle of the city i couldnt figue out why when the light turns green everyone sits there for a second before taking off, untill i saw some nutter fly thru a red. other than that not too bad.
i've sat thru a whole green phase on wiri station/roscommon waiting for red light runners heading north on roscommon to stop going thru

[Jackrat]

been to auckland once on my bike, when i was first in the middle of the city i couldnt figue out why when the light turns green everyone sits there for a second before taking off, untill i saw some nutter fly thru a red. other than that not too bad.

Yeah, you can pick an out of towner.
They go on the green an stop on the orange.
I stop on the orange when things are a bit slow,really gets em' pissed off. :killingme
It's a hard case trying to get the jump on somebody, when the light turns green there's always that moment of hesitation while both partys check for red runners. :wacko:
The first time I rode a bike in AK I thought I was gonn'a die for sure.