SU-30MK --> Maverick is well and truely screwed

[R6_kid]

This amazing/scary... A plane that can actually "put the brakes on and he'll fly right by" - the smoke trails give a good indicator of what sort of space the aircraft is maneuvering in...

From the blurb:

Russian SU-30- Vectored Thrust with Canards

As you watch this airplane, look at the canards moving along side of, and just below the canopy rail.

This is a video of an in-flight demonstration flown by the Russian SU-30MK fighter aircraft. You'll not believe what you are about to see.

The fighter can stall from high speed, stopping in less than a second. Then it demonstrates an ability to descend tail first without causing a compressor stall. It can also recover from a flat spin in less than a minute. These capabilities don't exist in any other aircraft in the world today.

Take a look at the video with the sound up. This aircraft is of concern to U.S. and NATO planners. We don't know which nations will soon be flying the SU-30MK, hopefully China isn't one of them.

[paturoa]

um - you forgot the link

[YLWDUC]

And the hyperlink is where ?

Yup he's well and truly screwed. Mainly to do with the appalling acting, but also because if he gets within visual range of an SU-30 (or even 27) an F-14 can't outmanoeuvre.

Of course, before they phased out the tomcat, the phoenix missiles would put a stop to that.

[limbimtimwim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jstAMtSOGwQ

That's not so impressive, I could make a plane that falls out of the sky. Easy.

[tri boy]

Holy Shit:shit:
That was one impressive display.
Thanks.:first:

[McJim]

I remember similar levels of awe when the Hawker Siddley harrier was unveiled about 30 years ago.

In the Falklands conflict the Harriers DID put the brakes on, the Argentinians flew past and the Harriers fired their missiles and blew them up.....long before Maverick and TopGun movies.

[FlangMasterJ]

Starscream's being doing that since the 80's.

[James Deuce]

I remember similar levels of awe when the Hawker Siddley harrier was unveiled about 30 years ago.

In the Falklands conflict the Harriers DID put the brakes on, the Argentinians flew past and the Harriers fired their missiles and blew them up.....long before Maverick and TopGun movies.

Sorry mate, there was not one recorded instance of VIFFing (Vector In Forward Flight) carried out by Harrier or Sea Harrier pilots in the Falklands conflict during combat.

Aeroplane magazine did a thorough analysis of the Falklands campaign a couple of months ago from the largely symbolic Vulcan raid on Stanley to the destruction of the Pucara fleet on the ground and the outstanding successes of the Argie Etendards and Skyhawks.

[Skunk]

I remember similar levels of awe when the Hawker Siddley harrier was unveiled about 30 years ago.
And they didn't see the need for the Mach 2 version so canned it...

[sAsLEX]

It is irrelevant really.

PAAMS
Main characteristics______Aster 15______________Aster 30

Terminal Velocity______1,000 metres/sec_____1,400 metres/sec
______________________(Mach 3.5)___________(Mach 4.5)

Propulsion_______________Solid propellant, two stage

Manoeuvrability_____________> 50 G's

Guidance___________Continuous updating of target position via automatic
___________________up-link from radar.
___________________Active radar seeker for terminal phase

Steering____________PIF/PAF

Fuse_______________EM proximity fuse

Length____________________4.0 m__________4.8 m

Weight___________________300 kg __________445 kg

Terminal dart_________diameter 180 mm ; weight 100 kg. at intercept

Maximum range_____________30 km___________100 km

Minimum intercept range______1.7 km__________3 km

Maximum altitude of interception_10,000 m_____20,000 m

Other features______High resistance to ECM
__________________Focused fragment warhead
___________________ Ready-to-fire container


Aint no way it will out manoeuvre a missile capable of over 50 G LATAX......

[Chisanga]

But have you seen the maneuverability of the new New Zealand Air Force Hang Gliders? Simply awesome! Apparently they can mount a .22 on it as well :)

[Clockwork]

But have you seen the maneuverability of the new New Zealand Air Force Hang Gliders? Simply awesome! Apparently they can mount a .22 on it as well :)

Fair doos.... this is pretty witty stuff but I was just wondering... how much of your taxes are you prepared for the Government to spend on a pissing contest that we just can't win?

[Donor]

Fair doos.... this is pretty witty stuff but I was just wondering... how much of your taxes are you prepared for the Government to spend on a pissing contest that we just can't win?

Lots. Just because we could never build a defence force to prevent a take over of the country, at the very least it would be nice to think we could slow the buggers down a bit.

Sure, our boys do great work with what they have now, and we have a very shiny playground in Afghanistan to prove it, oh along with a VC!

And I see we blew some left over tali-qaeda explosives up the other day... well, nothing impressive there, out P cooks manage that sort of shit on a much more frequent basis...

So yeah, divert some of my tax from paying for treaty matters, ministerial enquiries in to panty sniffing fetishes and a supply of sterile gloves for the pollies to use during their shit slinging fests in the gummint building thing.

Get the boys some new toys and at least bring us screaming into the Century of the Fruitbat!

...where was I...

Oh, in short I am prepared for the gummint to spend a lot of my tax.

*burp*

[Swoop]

Sorry mate, there was not one recorded instance of VIFFing (Vector In Forward Flight) carried out by Harrier or Sea Harrier pilots in the Falklands conflict during combat.
Correct. You want to keep as much engery available as possible. Stopping in midair makes you a stationary target.

And they didn't see the need for the Mach 2 version so canned it...
Dogfighting (English US = ACM) is a subsonic activity. To get a Harrier to go supersonic, it would probably lose the ability to land vertically.

It is irrelevant really.
Manoeuvrability_____________> 50 G's
Aint no way it will out manoeuvre a missile capable of over 50 G LATAX......
That bloody organic component slowing things up... again!
MiG 29s with the helmet mounted sighting system started it all... just look at your opposition and the missile drops off the rail and can turn into the attack far quicker than anything organic.
The Russian engineers know how to design a plane AND make it look SEXY!

[pzkpfw]

...and the outstanding successes of the Argie Etendards and Skyhawks.

Wouldn't that be Super-Etendards? :-P




P.S. Maverick did get screwed.

[Skunk]

Dogfighting (English US = ACM) is a subsonic activity. To get a Harrier to go supersonic, it would probably lose the ability to land vertically.It was on the drawing boards. VTOL, Mach 2. Got the go-ahead then canned before the prototype. This was around 1968.

[Swoop]

It was on the drawing boards. VTOL, Mach 2. Got the go-ahead then canned before the prototype. This was around 1968.
How unusual for the English to cancel a decent aircraft type...

Who said TSR2???:shit:

[Timber020]

Supersonic is seldom used in combat anyhow. If you look at all the jets used in vietnam and there capacity for speed, alot had the capacity to really burn, but it ate fuel and was very uncommon for them to break mach one.

[Timber020]

Correct. You want to keep as much engery available as possible. Stopping in midair makes you a stationary target.

Dogfighting (English US = ACM) is a subsonic activity. To get a Harrier to go supersonic, it would probably lose the ability to land vertically.

That bloody organic component slowing things up... again!
MiG 29s with the helmet mounted sighting system started it all... just look at your opposition and the missile drops off the rail and can turn into the attack far quicker than anything organic.
The Russian engineers know how to design a plane AND make it look SEXY!

The old saying "nasa spent hundreds of thousands of dollars developing a pen that could write in space, the russians used a pencil."
Russian jets could be gassed up from fuel cans, rearmed by peasants and the $100 guidance system developed in the 80's was as good and more reliable than the hundreds of thousand dollar systems the US were using.
Like the M16, alot of the US stuff is great on paper and in tests, but when it comes to the grit, the russian gear doesnt shine, but like the ak47 it gets the job done.

[James Deuce]

The advent of "Supercruise" (Non-afterburner supersonic cruising speeds for the F22) has changed all that and Russian and French/Israeli designed Supersonic aircraft are now at a distinct range and speed disadvantage at the top end of the Fighter Spectrum.

The F35 has VTOL variant (F35B) that will replace the Harrier GR8 and AV8B and has a max speed of Mach 1.8. The F35 also replaces the F16 and F/A18.

[imdying]

The old saying "nasa spent hundreds of thousands of dollars developing a pen that could write in space, the russians used a pencil."Which by the way is bullshit ;)

/edit: And you'll notice which team made it to the moon...

[R6_kid]

/edit: And you'll notice which team made it to the moon...

Thats a whole different kettle of fish mate... lets not get started on that one!