WW2 German motorcycle helmet

[HellRiderNz]

Hi,

I am looking at getting a german WW2 Motorcycle helmet, first of all are they legal?

Secondly Where do I get one in the Auckland area?

I want a DOT approved one please!!!!!!

[skidMark]

Hi,

I am looking at getting a german WW2 Motorcycle helmet, first of all are they legal?

Secondly Where do I get one in the Auckland area?

I want a DOT approved one please!!!!!!


don't you like your head

they do about as much as a bicycle helmet...

get a proper helmet you crash with one of those you will be a vegetable

[Holy Roller]

Trademe have had dot rated German Helmets listed at times. The current ones listed are not DOT. Keep an eye on the listings is your best bet to get one.
I have work associates who wear them and are no different to wearing an open face or shorty helmet. Each to their own I say. :scooter:

[Shadows]

Not recommended, you only get one head.
If you must, better you find one rated AS1698, NZ5430, or BS6658.

[James Deuce]

get a proper helmet you crash with one of those you will be a vegetable

Just like speeding kills.

[Romeo]

I could show you a few photos from some motorcycle accidents that would make you rush out and get a fullface. I can dig up a few if you think you can stomach them :puke: - ToyCollector was going to get an openface to match his CB750, the mere description of these pictures changed his mind pretty rapidly.

Think... guy's face hanging off - litterally, teeth all over the place, from his eyes down to his neck is prettymuch gone. And the kicker is that he's still conscious and on the operating table. Get yourself a fullface :].

Anyone got any pics of their bins where they've stratched up the front of their lid? That might serve as a less graphic reminder of the importance of a fullface.

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[T.W.R]

:oi-grr: Old Boat-Bailer lids :pinch:bring back the 70s bikies :doh:

[scumdog]

I wear a shorty 'CHIPS" type helmet a bit - I guess it is not as safe as a full-face.....

I also ride a motorbike a bit - I guess it is not as safe as a car.....

Each to their own.

[Big Dave]

Scummy says:
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[skidMark]

Just like speeding kills.

yeah yeah yeah......so does walking infront of a bus.....

get a proper sportsbike z750's don't count...

[cynna]

dont get one thats not approved. the fines add up pretty quickly...........

[scumdog]

dont get one thats not approved. the fines add up pretty quickly...........

On the other hand I'll let you know the first time I meet somebody who has been stopped and their helmet checked or has ever checked a helmet.

Though if one WAS going to be checked it would likely br a look-a-like German Army one.

[Ocean1]

On the other hand I'll let you know the first time I meet somebody who has been stopped and their helmet checked or has ever checked a helmet.

Though if one WAS going to be checked it would likely br a look-a-like German Army one.

Now that you mention it... There's a shitload of OBVIOUSLY non-compliant helmets to be seen, adorning the domes of some of our more colourful devotees. I’ve never heard of a plucking either. Why?

[Pwalo]

Look it's your own decision, but in my last accident I was highsided and landed head/shoulder first on the motorway. My helmet was flattened on the right hand side, the chin bar was cracked, and the visor was gouged.

I was wearing a decent full face and I still have my nose, chin, teeth, etc. I wasn't speeding, or trying to split lanes. Just clipped behind by a car that didn't notice my indicators were on, and that I was in fact in the lane in front of him.

By all means get a novelty helmet, but just be aware that it's not going to give you the same level of protection.

[Paul in NZ]

I do wear an open face helmet occasionally when lumpy lumping around the village on the classic Trumpy on a nice day, heading off down the beach fer a coffee or testing a bike (again, around the village) and in fact I plan on buying a new one soon for this reason.

But! It will definately NOT be a WW2 German Army one... Your choice but I find it odd that we can celebrate ANZAC day on one hand and casually rub these symbols into the faces of old diggers with the other... Not for me thanks, they were adopted by 'gangs' to shock people and while their use has become main stream and novelty - it's not for me...

[Hitcher]

I am looking at getting a german WW2 Motorcycle helmet

First up what you really want is a WWII army helmet (or safety standards approved replica) that you can use as a motorcycle helmet, not a German WWII motorcycle helmet.

Secondly make sure you get one with a spike out the top.

[Ocean1]

Now that you mention it... There's a shitload of OBVIOUSLY non-compliant helmets to be seen, adorning the domes of some of our more colourful devotees. I’ve never heard of a plucking either. Why?

I take that back, now that I think about it I know a dude who was pinged because he had a Mohawk glued to his perfectly servicable lid.

[cynna]

On the other hand I'll let you know the first time I meet somebody who has been stopped and their helmet checked or has ever checked a helmet.

Though if one WAS going to be checked it would likely br a look-a-like German Army one.

i have been fined twice for wearing a german helmet (.........back in my young and stupid days). the helmet was never checked just instant fine of $75 i think it was. i think i was just asked it it was legal. ended up selling it in garage sale

i learn lessons pretty quick when it hurts my wallet. havent even had a speeding ticket since i lost my licence for a few months years ago




also the wind whistles over the bit that sits over your ear so i wouldnt recommend using one

[peasea]

It wasn't long after I got my full license that I was stopped. My license was inspected, so was the WOF and rego, he even took a long hard look at my tyres. When all that was found to be ok it looked like a light had come on the wanker cop's miniscule brain and he asked to inspect my helmet.

The correct sticker was on the back, where it's supposed to be and he grunted and let me go about my business. He was just looking for something to ping me on and looked pissed off when he couldn't find anything.

Moral of the story? Have all your stickers lined up before you hit the road.

As an aside, my worst bin was into a bank, I endo'd the bike and landed on my shoulder with no lid on my noggin whatsoever. That same day one of our group (who was wearing a helmet) was killed when a car pulled out in front of him.

I still like riding without a lid from time to time and I can see why people like the shorties but the German style per se` doesn't do anything for me. I think, even in this new century, they are (for want of a better word) antagonistic. I would hazard a guess that you'll get stopped more often while fully clothed but equipped with a German-style lid than you would in a full-face and a G-string. (The latter being quite legal but utterly stupid. The law is an ass.)

[Steam]

Wouldn't wearing a German WWII helmet make you look like a Nazi? Why would you want to look like a nazi?

[sunhuntin]

id love a shorty. got used to wearing one while in canada. i wear an open facer full time right now [hate the full ones] only place in town i know has em, ive had shit dealings with in the past, so refuse to go there.

to stop the wind, i just wore a bandanna underneath pulled down over my ears. helped keep em warm on the typical 3am almost snowing rides, lmfao.

[Holy Roller]

On the other hand I'll let you know the first time I meet somebody who has been stopped and their helmet checked or has ever checked a helmet.

Though if one WAS going to be checked it would likely br a look-a-like German Army one.

A couple of years ago on police 10 7 or some similar programme the copper stopped a harley rider and checked his lid to see if it was legit. From memory it was a full face one at that.

[TonyB]

I'm with Paul and Steam on this one- there are people still alive who went through hell to stop Nazi Germany in WW2. If you wear one of these helmets you may as well turn up at next years dawn parade and piss on the wreaths laid in their honour.

The thing I find hilarious is that if Hitler and his mates had gotten their way, many of the people I've seen wearing Nazi helmets would have been worked to death as slaves, gassed, or never allowed to have been born at all.

[peasea]

I'm with Paul and Steam on this one- there are people still alive who went through hell to stop Nazi Germany in WW2. If you wear one of these helmets you may as well turn up at next years dawn parade and piss on the wreaths laid in their honour.

The thing I find hilarious is that if Hitler and his mates had gotten their way, many of the people I've seen wearing Nazi helmets would have been worked to death as slaves, gassed, or never allowed to have been born at all.

My thoughts exactly; hence the word "antagonistic" earlier. My old man (who was at Normandy, Mermansk and in the Pacific Fleet) found bikers roaring around with swastikas and German helmets offensive. I won't go there out of respect, not just for my father but for that whole generation.

[cynna]

im sure my grandad would find a bus load of japanese tourists mor offensive then a helmet........

[Swoop]

Secondly make sure you get one with a spike out the top.
The word you are looking for is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickelhaube

[peasea]

im sure my grandad would find a bus load of japanese tourists mor offensive then a helmet........

Haha, me too.
It's even worse when they move in next door............

[popelli]

there are people still alive who went through hell to stop Nazi Germany in WW2. If you wear one of these helmets you may as well turn up at next years dawn parade and piss on the wreaths laid in their honour.



and there are people who turn in their graves at the thought of people riding japanese bikes or driving japanese cars if you want to continue down this train of thought

If people want to wear replica helmets they are making a statement about themselves and will be judged accordingly

when it comes to safety standards if you have a $10 head wear a $10 helmet

[HellRiderNz]

Thanks for all of your input on this query,

First of all I am not getting the German helmet to disrespect anyone, I just like the design of the helmet that's all, i don't like hitler or care about that kind of stuff,

Just want to really have a german helmet for summer, I already have a full face,

I did actually manage to find one, had it imported from the US.

[TonyB]

im sure my grandad would find a bus load of japanese tourists mor offensive then a helmet........

But German and Italian cars, motorbikes and tourists are OK though, right?

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Hi,

I am looking at getting a german WW2 Motorcycle helmet, first of all are they legal?

Secondly Where do I get one in the Auckland area?

I want a DOT approved one please!!!!!!

Wouldn't this be better? I saw 300 the other night, boy it was cool and their helmets looked waay better than the silly German WW2 ones.
Why only German helmets? Be different. Be a Spartan!

[Paul in NZ]

and there are people who turn in their graves at the thought of people riding japanese bikes or driving japanese cars if you want to continue down this train of thought

Whoa - While thats true, I think thats taking things a step too far. I would not wear a WWII german army helmet and frankly neither would most german motorcyclists I know! Its a powerful symbol of a hated political system and no amount of exagerated PC bollocks like that will change it. A swastika falls into the same group...

I actually work for a Japanese company and modern japanese are very sensitive about the whole thing. Dreadful things were done by administrations and all combatants but my Japanese friends would be horrified if I flew a rising sun flag and started shouting BANZAI everytime I went over the top!

I believe in personal choice, it's what the great wars were fought to achieve - out of respect, I choose not to do that, it's your decision and we are all entitled to an opinion about it.

[popelli]

Whoa - While thats true, I think thats taking things a step too far. .

that was exactly the point I was making

ditto the point about disrespecting people by wearing nazi helmets, that also was taking things too far

WW2 was 60 years ago and was fought to give people freedom of expression and freedom of choice

[James Deuce]

WW2 was 60 years ago and was fought to give people freedom of expression and freedom of choice

No it wasn't.

The values that WW2 was fought to preserve are not something that many people under 70 would understand.

In fact I would go as far to say that WW2 was fought to prevent freedom of expression and freedom of choice on ALL sides.

The German Helmet is in mammothly bad taste. Wearing it on a metric cruiser whilst riding through any Gang territory is inviting the same sort of issues SlashWylde faced when he put the Black Label Society logo on the back of his jacket.

[cynna]

But German and Italian cars, motorbikes and tourists are OK though, right?


im sure it would have the same affect on a POW held by germans if there was a bus load of germans around. if u have seen someone that was held by the japanese scared by japanese voices you would know what im talking about which i why i brought it up. i doubt a japanese helmet would cause any reaction

i diidnt bring cars or bikes into it so whats your point there

[Shadows]

Wearing it on a metric cruiser whilst riding through any Gang territory is inviting the same sort of issues SlashWylde faced when he put the Black Label Society logo on the back of his jacket.

Quite true

[Boob Johnson]

First up what you really want is a WWII army helmet (or safety standards approved replica) that you can use as a motorcycle helmet, not a German WWII motorcycle helmet.

Secondly make sure you get one with a spike out the top.That would be a WW1 German helmet then ;)


I think they look great personally, im a big WW2 history buff but wouldn't wear one myself due to the safety side of things but mainly the image thing. They really don't suit a sports bike, gotta be a nasty ol cruiser :stoogie:



Wouldn't this be better? I saw 300 the other night, boy it was cool and their helmets looked waay better than the silly German WW2 ones.
Why only German helmets? Be different. Be a Spartan!Now THAT is cool lol :Punk:


Thanks for all of your input on this query,

First of all I am not getting the German helmet to disrespect anyone, I just like the design of the helmet that's all, i don't like hitler or care about that kind of stuff,

Just want to really have a german helmet for summer, I already have a full face,

I did actually manage to find one, had it imported from the US.Good on ya mate, just prolly best not to wear it round to the misses parents house ;)

[admenk]

so much for freedom of choice !

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Here's a look at the rumoured Spartan Motogp team, possibly entering the 2009 season. Nice helmet...

[avgas]

mmmmm bugs for supper

[avgas]

Here's a look at the rumoured Spartan Motogp team, possibly entering the 2009 season. Nice helmet...
Tonight we dine on Italians!!!

[Paul in NZ]

so much for freedom of choice !

Oh good lord! The trolling grounds are 3 threads down, inflamatory comments, 3 post on the right... You ARE free to choose to wear a German helmet or rape little children in that there is no one or thing actually stopping you but there are consequences for your actions - some legal, some physical and some moral . Total freedom of choice for everyone is anarchy which traditionally does not work out terribly well for minorities (like motorcyclists...) and mother nature takes a very dim view of people that flout her laws... You are free to try though..

[Paul in NZ]

Tonight we dine on Italians!!!

mmmm - meat balls....

[peasea]

mmmmm bugs for supper

No, paint the mouth on, all good.
I wonder how long before some nutter makes them DOT-legal. Gotta be a huge market there.

[peasea]

mmmm - meat balls....


The meal or the Italians?

[peasea]

You ARE free to choose to wear a German helmet or rape little children...

Flashback to about 1941; were the two ever running hand-in-hand?

[98tls]

My my so this is were all the action is tonight eh.:devil2:Not my cup of tea really but hey if a german helmets want you want then go for it,myself i would draw the line at having Waffen ss stickers on it but apart from that go for it.

[Paul in NZ]

Flashback to about 1941; were the two ever running hand-in-hand?

Point taken but lets be realistic - advancing armies of all sorts, through out the ages have always had a bit of an issue surrounding the 'ethic's' of sexual contact... and a few other things...

[98tls]

agreed......bit like the yanks whinging about Germans shooting there prisoners,many accounts of both them and the poms doing the same.Then again the propaganda machine had the british public believing the Germans ate babies in WW1.

[Bat out of Hell]

Hi there, we import all types of helmets including the WW2 and Outlaw types you are looking for. They are also DOT approved. Check out our Website and drop me a line.

[Paul in NZ]

agreed......bit like the yanks whinging about Germans shooting there prisoners,many accounts of both them and the poms doing the same.Then again the propaganda machine had the british public believing the Germans ate babies in WW1.

All of which pales (including the japanese treatment of POW's) when compared to what the germans and russians got up to on the eastern front.. shudder....

[peasea]

agreed......bit like the yanks whinging about Germans shooting there prisoners,many accounts of both them and the poms doing the same.Then again the propaganda machine had the british public believing the Germans ate babies in WW1.

I eat my babe on occasion.

[98tls]

All of which pales (including the japanese treatment of POW's) when compared to what the germans and russians got up to on the eastern front.. shudder.... Sure was a shit fight eh,There sure not popular but all things considered the Germans had a hell of an army and but for some fateful decisions by the man at the top Europe could be a vastly different place.

[peasea]

Sure was a shit fight eh,There sure not popular but all things considered the Germans had a hell of an army and but for some fateful decisions by the man at the top Europe could be a vastly different place.

...and when the dust settled the best brains went where?

[TLMAN]

Check out this as an alternative.



http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Helmets/auction-115775239.htm?p=49

[Speedo-cop]

Wouldn't this be better? I saw 300 the other night, boy it was cool and their helmets looked waay better than the silly German WW2 ones.
Why only German helmets? Be different. Be a Spartan!

:) Good idea!

I like an open-face helmet - feels good - but I don't like the odds.

Last study I came across - similar to the diagram poster earlier - about 66% of all impacts on the head will first fall around the jaw.

Another big thing is the full face not only protects that area, but has superior strength - with a more complete sphere.

Open face helmet - cool.

Smashed or ripped of jaw? :dodge: no-so...

[popelli]

:) Good idea!

I like an open-face helmet - feels good - but I don't like the odds.

Last study I came across - similar to the diagram poster earlier - about 66% of all impacts on the head will first fall around the jaw.

...

statistics are marvellous things, can be used to prove anything

some statistics show that helmets are dangerous, in the states in the us where they have repealed helmet laws the number of bikers getting killed reduces

the theory is that the extra weight of the helmet causes more damage than it adds in protection

not interested in getting into arguments about what is right or wrong but it should be up to an individual what they choose to wear, not up to the nanny state to tell us what to wear

[janno]

Because I'm a wimp I'd be worried about the image I was sending out.

For example, the Hog riders group in Brisbane about two years ago decided to have their logo on the back of their jackets like a patch. The Bandidos and Balck Uhlans etc took exception to this, as in if you are going to look like a gang we'll treat you like one.

One luvverly Saturday morning outside Morgan and Wacker in town the hogs were setting out for a run, and some of the above mentioned pulled the leader off his bike and gave him a nasty flogging, and destroyed the patch - this is basically in the middle of town. Supposedly because he had beaten his wife (oh, the irony!).

After a few other incidents like that, the hog patch was dropped. Bullying and intimidation works, children!

So if you are going to wear a WWII helmet, make sure you can handle any fall out that may come your way. Because it will attract unwanted attention, IMO.

[Paul in NZ]

statistics are marvellous things, can be used to prove anything

some statistics show that helmets are dangerous, in the states in the us where they have repealed helmet laws the number of bikers getting killed reduces

the theory is that the extra weight of the helmet causes more damage than it adds in protection

not interested in getting into arguments about what is right or wrong but it should be up to an individual what they choose to wear, not up to the nanny state to tell us what to wear

Thats a fair call - I don't like the nanny state anymore than the rest of us BUT.... If you do have an accident (god forbid) who is going to patch you up? Unfortunately it's the nanny states medical system and thus they do have some grounds to request us to exercise reasonable care and use appropriate protection systems. If the medical emergency system was private - it would be a matter between you and your insurer. Its a difficult one...

[scumdog]

So if you are going to wear a WWII helmet, make sure you can handle any fall out that may come your way. Because it will attract unwanted attention, IMO.


A young guy on a Sporty wears one to the rallies he turns up at down this way - never seen/hear of him being hassled so far..

[janno]

A young guy on a Sporty wears one to the rallies he turns up at down this way - never seen/hear of him being hassled so far..

Yes, well. He's probably meaner looking than me!! :crybaby:

Interesting the whole anti German WWII regalia thing. Because it was the British who invented concentration camps, and left women and children to die there, in the Boer war . . . I suppose you could argue that they didn't gas them, but deliberately starving people to death is no different.

[Paul in NZ]

A young guy on a Sporty wears one to the rallies he turns up at down this way - never seen/hear of him being hassled so far..


Thats because all the survivours of the 3rd Reich ended up living in secret in Mossburn isn't it? Its a cultural icon down your way!

[Paul in NZ]

Yes, well. He's probably meaner looking than me!! :crybaby:

Interesting the whole anti German WWII regalia thing. Because it was the British who invented concentration camps, and left women and children to die there, in the Boer war . . . I suppose you could argue that they didn't gas them, but deliberately starving people to death is no different.

I think they may have invented the name 'Concentration camp' but the theory has been around for a fair while... ;-)

[Shadows]

statistics are marvellous things, can be used to prove anything

Are you sure? I have the numbers to prove otherwise.

[Tank]

agreed......bit like the yanks whinging about Germans shooting there prisoners,many accounts of both them and the poms doing the same.

It was just in the news just the other day that documents have been released that the Poms (Mr Churchill himself) ordered the NINO BIXIO to be sunk knowing that it had POWs on board. 300 killed including 117 Kiwis - My Grandfather was one of those POWS - he didnt die, but he did tell me about it - and when you hear a story like that you can see why this kind of thing is emotive in the extreme.

Yet we still buy Triumphs. I'm looking to do so.

Its not the fact that people are against the country (Jampan / Italy / Germany (and now the Poms) - we all have to move forward - but some items - the helmet you are talking about can be seen as disrespectful. So were one if you like, but understand that you are going to upset some people.

C

[Toaster]

On the other hand I'll let you know the first time I meet somebody who has been stopped and their helmet checked or has ever checked a helmet.

Though if one WAS going to be checked it would likely br a look-a-like German Army one.

I did that to a guy riding a Harley at night in Wellington some years back. Had a German army style helmet on that didn't meet the standards and excessively loud exhausts. Wasn't a gang member so let him go.... he had a good attitude.

[Biggles41]

Look it's your own decision, but in my last accident I was highsided and landed head/shoulder first on the motorway. My helmet was flattened on the right hand side, the chin bar was cracked, and the visor was gouged.

I was wearing a decent full face and I still have my nose, chin, teeth, etc. I wasn't speeding, or trying to split lanes. Just clipped behind by a car that didn't notice my indicators were on, and that I was in fact in the lane in front of him.

By all means get a novelty helmet, but just be aware that it's not going to give you the same level of protection.

Or you could get yourself a Viking's Helmet, but see if you can get one with the horns on the inside it would have the same level of protection I'm sure.

[avgas]

No, paint the mouth on, all good.
I wonder how long before some nutter makes them DOT-legal. Gotta be a huge market there.
"You line em up and I'll swing the bat Johnny, between the both of us some sense will be made"

[avgas]

not up to the nanny state to tell us what to wear
Disagree with you there.
People are too stupid to make decisions such as this.
Boundaries are setup to stop the morons killing themselves and us.
Rephrase the question like this, should there be a law dictating how big an SUV can be? How bright and how many headlights a car can have?
Engine size for learner motorcyclist?
Land of the free is also land of the leathal

[Tank]

Land of the free is also land of the lethal (I fixed your spelling :eek:)

Never a truer word has been said. Its a sad fact that some people have to be saved from themselves.

If there were more people with common sense then (often - but not always) the powers that be wouldn't have to make laws to stop the 1-2% of idiots that ruin it for the rest if us.

C

[Tank]

as an aside - if you still want one there is a HD one listed on trademe at the moment $150 DOT approved etc

I doubt you could find a better looking one (all subjective of course)

[admenk]

Oh good lord! The trolling grounds are 3 threads down, inflamatory comments, 3 post on the right... You ARE free to choose to wear a German helmet or rape little children in that there is no one or thing actually stopping you but there are consequences for your actions - some legal, some physical and some moral . Total freedom of choice for everyone is anarchy which traditionally does not work out terribly well for minorities (like motorcyclists...) and mother nature takes a very dim view of people that flout her laws... You are free to try though.. A slight over reaction there I think ! My point is just that the guy is only asking where he can buy a certain type of helmet, not for a lecture. I'm sure he knows the pros and cons of his choice, just like everyone else. To compare someone's decision to wear that type of helmet to the decision to rape someone, is just silly. Most of the opinion on this thread seems fairly sensible and good natured, why not keep it that way?

[HermaphroBiker]

A slight over reaction there I think ! My point is just that the guy is only asking where he can buy a certain type of helmet, not for a lecture. I'm sure he knows the pros and cons of his choice, just like everyone else. To compare someone's decision to wear that type of helmet to the decision to rape someone, is just silly. Most of the opinion on this thread seems fairly sensible and good natured, why not keep it that way?
Why would you want to wear a german helmet? They LOST the war....LOST I TELL YOU. Why not go for a turban with that extra padding? :niceone:

[Paul in NZ]

Why would you want to wear a german helmet? They LOST the war....LOST I TELL YOU. Why not go for a turban with that extra padding? :niceone:

because the Germans had the coolest uniforms.... The italians were too flashy - the yanks - well you just wouldn't really, the russians (the badest mofos in the friggin war) and the poms were too dour and cheap to make cool uniforms and the japanese were only in really small sizes... Nope! If you wanna look bad (and frankly a darling of the gayer sex) - Nazi regalia is it!

[HermaphroBiker]

but what could be better than a few frankfurters strapped to your stomach and your lunch wrapped in cloth around your head. would work wonders when immigrating to the UK. Allah akbah!!

[Dodger]

Sigh, Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law) anyone???

Does it really matter what HE wants to wear or why? :whocares:

[Paul in NZ]

Sigh, Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law) anyone???

Does it really matter what HE wants to wear or why? :whocares:


Um... Calm down old chap - I'm surprised at your outburst - frankly I'd of thought any who admits to owning a Hyosong 250 would already have a highly developed sense of humour.... (P/T)

[Paul in NZ]

but what could be better than a few frankfurters strapped to your stomach and your lunch wrapped in cloth around your head. would work wonders when immigrating to the UK. Allah akbah!!

I thinks that afgan 'look' is still viewed as being a bit trendy and your average gang member wannabe is often ultra conservative and a depressingly orthodox conformist bunch of non conformist rebels. Ironically - their own rules and laws are MUCH more rigidly enforced than the societies they are rebelling against.....

besides - the idea of a turban unwinding around a chain driven motorcycle sounds rather hazardous...

[Speedo-cop]

statistics are marvellous things, can be used to prove anything

some statistics show that helmets are dangerous, in the states in the us where they have repealed helmet laws the number of bikers getting killed reduces

the theory is that the extra weight of the helmet causes more damage than it adds in protection


Rubbish :p and that helmet law/fatality thing is complete BS!

All it takes is some pretty basic logic to work out that a helmet is a good idea.

The decent reports which I took the time to investigate - like check on the methods and sources - show that the weight of the helmet significantly reduces the likelihood of fatality, whilst slightly increasing the incidence of neck injury. But in all cases where neck injuries were caused, the impact would otherwise have been fatal without a helmet.

I've seen plenty of crashes with and without - it's always the same laughably obvious conclusion. Helmets save brains from splats.

And full-face helms save jaws and teeth.

We don't tend to crash all that often really, but take your chances, live or die by the consequences.

Except that it's other people too - whatever the arguments about insurance and health-care - someone ends cleaning up after the twit who thinks they're too good to crash, or thick-skulled to break.

I saw this young guy hit by a blind granny - he had enough time to break down to about 15kph! Still broke his head open and died on the road after he bounced and slid off her bonnet on onto the seal...

Still, it's good there are places which don't require helmets - as people who really object to them can go and ride there :)