Hmmmmm......CIAO

[wkid_one]

As someone who is in the position where I am nigh on the point where another road bike is plausible - I am fast reconsidering this decision.

Lately - I have taken the leisure of reading - but not posting on the forum. I notice a vast increase in the number of near misses, hits and crashes in the last 2 weeks or so (and going back further)

Now whilst I can put some of this down to summer-itus (the brain fade caused by one sunny day among weeks of rain) - it is concerning none the less.

I am now seeing riders who are somewhat saner/safer/cautious than myself binning - and I beginning to wonder about the prudency of my buying another road bike and testing the surgeons work on my ankle and shoulder reconstructions so soon.

Take Zed for example - who only a mere 7 months ago was chargrinning me for the very thing he did this weekend (practising and preaching come to mind). And he has the HOLIEST of pillion passengers

I think I am going to quit while I am ahead (and still have one) and not tempt luck in to proving me right. Whilst I enjoy pushing my limits, not knowing when to stop and the high price you pay isn't worth it.

Loved it too death while I did it - time to go an experience/enjoy new things (and knowing me - no less stupid!)

Thanks everyone (esp those who have binned) in helping me make the decision - hope the wounds heal and the bikes get repaired.

(for those who wish to email me as pm has been stopped - wkid_one@xtra.co.nz)

Wkid has left the building ie - won't be reading replies~~~~

[StoneChucker]

It's official, he's gone completely crazy. Look at it another way, there is a slight surge of near misses and bins at the moment, but when you get your bike, it'll have passed, making it on average, safer for you to be out! :beer:

And, more importantly, isn't the point of life to enjoy yourself? Hell, I was so bored until I got my bike, ever since then I've been having a great time, and meeting new people :devil2:

I can't wait to get back on my bike, even though I know the risks, and the consequences. I feel the risk is worth it, as they say "it is better to have loved and lost(a bike for eg), than to never have loved at all (still a bike for eg ;))

[badlieutenant]

Dont be too hasty. I was sorta thinking the same thing but more along the lines of "do I want a nice newer, faster bike". The answer is no. Those guys have admitted themselves that alot of the bins happened because they rode beyond thier abilities. So it would seem that it comes down to self control. Have you got it? and do you know how good a rider you really are ? do you really want to find out on public roads ? Im not gona bullshit you and pretend to be some angel biker that does the speed limit all the time. But alot of the time I do just enjoy crusing on my own on an empty bit of road. If I was to consider a bike (new), for me at least, it would have to be something either cruisy or a motard (good enough for rossi, good enough for me) but either way the bike I choose is going to help determine the type of riding I want to do.
What kind of riding do you enjoy ? If you see yourself as a mad racer and thats the kind of bike you want maybe its a good idea.
Youll never elliminate all risk from your life.
But if you minimize it too much are you still alive ?

[Motu]

Here today,gone tomorrow,he walked the walk and talked the talk - but he wasn't into bikes for the long haul,that was obvious from the start...impressive post count though eh?

[spudchucka]

He'll be back! Once you have the bike bug you can never get it out of your blood.

[bluninja]

Well don't be suprised to see him pop up in Kiwi Jetski :msn-wink:

[scumdog]

I suppose he might be lured back if there was a lot of posts on :"How I went around the block and arrived back without binning/dropping my bike or getting tickets" but then I for one accept that is the norm and guess that this forum is full of people with similar thoughts hence no postings on that!!!!

Each to his own but remember "Ships are safe in the harbour - but that is not what ships are for". :bye:

[ching_ching]

Woos! :blah:

[Dodgyiti]

I agree with the scary nature of everyone having a bloody bin lately.
It's not smart, it's not cool, and it's not good press either.
And when I squeeze the rego for 2 bikes from the dust and moths in my wallet, I blame you lot who bin, for the whopping ACC levie that I have to pay just to be on the road :mad:

New bikes are beyond not just the riders ability, but the road and conditions as well. I think you have more fun pushing an older bike to it's [safe] limits, than nailing a new whizzy bike to way beyond your own personal limits. :doctor:

Falling off hurts :bye:

[Hooks]

25 years on bikes ... only 2 bins .... I'm not a nana but I'm not a nutter either ... I pick my moments to go hard and I always treat every cage driver as if they were out to get me !! :mad: I love riding bikes and although I was off one for a while (14 years) I have never ever considered giving it away completely ... So I reckon Wikid you need to take your time and keep monitoring the site and turning up to shit and see what happens ... :calm: .... there's not that many of us that we can afford to lose even one !! ....
What I'm trying to say is ..... get your hand out of your pants and back on the bars that's where they're meant to be boy !!! :2guns:

[magnum]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooo :eyepoke:

[Motu]

I agree with the scary nature of everyone having a bloody bin lately.

New bikes are beyond not just the riders ability, but the road and conditions as well. I think you have more fun pushing an older bike to it's [safe] limits, than nailing a new whizzy bike to way beyond your own personal limits. :doctor:

Falling off hurts :bye:

Hmmmm,I think so - you don't see many with reports of them binning an older bike,but then not as many here ride older bikes.I think a modern bike lulls a rider into a false sence of security,or skill level - they just can't reach the limit of these bikes and so have no idea where it is...until they do of course,then we hear about it.On an older bike the limit is found earlier,you know where it is and how fast you can go at all times.I ride with tyres most would consider unsafe for the road,but I know what's happening with my tyres,the limits within easy reach for me.

[jrandom]

Bah.

wkid's got bored and gone off to play with some other toy.

He never had much to say about bikes anyway, except when he was blowing raspberries at the racers who got annoyed with his Riding God stylings.

He wasn't Motorcycle People, really.

:spudwave:

[vifferman]

I can understand completely Wkid's decision. I nearly made the same decision last year, when I trashed my VFR, and have reconsidered my decision several times lately (like just this Saturday, with my latest indescretion taxing me $300).

If I had chucked it in last year, I wouldn't have been on this forum, wouldn't have met some very nice people, and most importantly, wouldn't have enjoyed sharing my passion/obsession with my wife. And our latest trip together was very good for both of us, not just for the fantastic ride we had from Mangawhai to Waipu, as the surprise visit with her relatives was also excellent. All in all, this weekend was one of the best we've had, so while I'm am still constantly re-evaluating my biker status, I don't regret my decision to stick with biking.:2thumbsup

Don't be too harsh with Wkid; it does appear that he's been more talk than action in the 6 months I've been on here, but don't undervalue the importance of considering you health. I've been very lucky to escape significant injury in the last 30 years, but it sounds like he hasn't been so fortunate.

[jrandom]

Don't be too harsh with Wkid; it does appear that he's been more talk than action in the 6 months I've been on here, but don't undervalue the importance of considering you health.

He was more talk than action before you were on here, too. It was *worse* when he had a bike.


I've been very lucky to escape significant injury in the last 30 years, but it sounds like he hasn't been so fortunate.

Nah, he just rode like a prat from all accounts. Funnily enough his most recent bin was (he said) at lowish speed. In which case, it was no more than karmic balance in action.

[vifferman]

He was more talk than action before you were on here, too. It was *worse* when he had a bike.
So he did actually have a bike, once?



Funnily enough his most recent bin was (he said) at lowish speed. In which case, it was no more than karmic balance in action.Them Pharking Biker Gods at it again! :Pokey: :finger:

[Dodgyiti]

Hmmmm,I think so - you don't see many with reports of them binning an older bike,but then not as many here ride older bikes.I think a modern bike lulls a rider into a false sence of security,or skill level - they just can't reach the limit of these bikes and so have no idea where it is...until they do of course,then we hear about it.On an older bike the limit is found earlier,you know where it is and how fast you can go at all times.I ride with tyres most would consider unsafe for the road,but I know what's happening with my tyres,the limits within easy reach for me.

Plus newer bikes are much eaiser to ride fast, more user friendly, and it's harder to tell how fast you are going when it's not screaming it's guts out, or making a godawful racket.
Having just learnt all this from the purchase of the CBR, but lucky for years of experience. I would hate to think I could have bought something like the CBR after getting my learners,and at that tender [ stupid] age I would probably be dead by now

[jrandom]

So he did actually have a bike, once?

He had a VTR like yours, then he bought an R1. Then he crashed for the whatever-th time and his doctor did the enforced license removal on medical advice thing for a year.

I dunno about you, but if that was me, I'd find it slightly embarrassing...

Certainly the 'riding god' type posts rather dried up after that.

[6Chris6]

I've had a sex change, and am now a little girl!!

Whatever rocks your boat dude.

[Shade]

I dont understand why everyone gets freaked when people bin. Your the one in control of your own bike, not them. So if you come off, its your fault. No one elses.

The only exception is traffic, but all of the bins so far if i recall correctly, have been lowsides etc. Rider error.

[bluninja]

I dont understand why everyone gets freaked when people bin. Your the one in control of your own bike, not them. So if you come off, its your fault. No one elses.

The only exception is traffic, but all of the bins so far if i recall correctly, have been lowsides etc. Rider error.

The thing that freaks people out is the self fullfilling prophecy aspect.....bikes are dangerous and riders get badly injured and killed no matter how skilled they are.....you start seeing stories of friends and people you know (and with good riding skills) having a crash and it just maintains or strengthens that idea in your head, and in the people around you who then worry that you might get hurt. Then your heads not right when you ride and you start to subconsciously think 'when will I crash?'

[White trash]

As someone who is in the position where I am nigh on the point where another road bike is plausible - I am fast reconsidering this decision.

Lately - I have taken the leisure of reading - but not posting on the forum. I notice a vast increase in the number of near misses, hits and crashes in the last 2 weeks or so (and going back further)

Now whilst I can put some of this down to summer-itus (the brain fade caused by one sunny day among weeks of rain) - it is concerning none the less.

I am now seeing riders who are somewhat saner/safer/cautious than myself binning - and I beginning to wonder about the prudency of my buying another road bike and testing the surgeons work on my ankle and shoulder reconstructions so soon.

Take Zed for example - who only a mere 7 months ago was chargrinning me for the very thing he did this weekend (practising and preaching come to mind). And he has the HOLIEST of pillion passengers

I think I am going to quit while I am ahead (and still have one) and not tempt luck in to proving me right. Whilst I enjoy pushing my limits, not knowing when to stop and the high price you pay isn't worth it.

Loved it too death while I did it - time to go an experience/enjoy new things (and knowing me - no less stupid!)

Thanks everyone (esp those who have binned) in helping me make the decision - hope the wounds heal and the bikes get repaired.

(for those who wish to email me as pm has been stopped - wkid_one@xtra.co.nz)

Wkid has left the building ie - won't be reading replies~~~~

Blouse.

I ride faster than all these guys too, but I'm not giving up because they have had a couple of bins.

Get over it! If you're not sensible enough to ride within your limits, you shouldn't have been riding in the first place.

[Motu]

He did 205 mph too....didn't he?????

[riffer]

He did 205 mph too....didn't he?????
No I distinctly recall it was only 299 km/hr

[Posh Tourer :P]

That and while you might be in control of your bike, and it is your fault if you bin, some people dont want to ride on a KB ride if they "know" there will likely be a bin..

[Yokai]

That and while you might be in control of your bike, and it is your fault if you bin, some people dont want to ride on a KB ride if they "know" there will likely be a bin..

Yeah - Bin's happen. Friend of mine here at work had a bin 2 weeks back. Rainy - 15km/h - a little too close to the car in front what stopped suddenly. Hit a patch of slick white paint with oil on it on the back wheel and dropped the bike on her knee.

Am I stopping riding? Nope. I have made a pact that I will probably stop if/when I have a major off ... i.e. a non-walkaway bin... But I like to travel at my own comfort level, and really am not fussed about speed.

Bins happen. It's a mental attitude - are you
a) willing to take responsibility for your own riding
b) willing to learn from others' mistakes as well as your own
c) willing to calculate the cost/benefits well

For my part,
a) I want to ride with KB, but like the slower pace, so I'm happy to meet up with people at the start and end of rides - if ppl want to ride at the lovely 70kph then fine, if they want to hoon off at 160 or whatever - then fine
b) I'm gonna look out for those corners that people bin on... thx for posting them
c) I didn't ride to work this morning... Auckland traffic, WET, Windy Dark... TOOOOOO many risks just to get 15 mins on the bike!

:innocent:
^^^^^^^
Just my 2cents...

Yo

[Hitcher]

My goodness! One goes away riding for two weeks and returns to learn that the Wicked One has departed these climes. 3,505 posts is a record that will stand for some time, I suspect. Quantity, with some interspersed quality.

[ManDownUnder]

Each to their own.

If this isn't a pisstake then - wkid.. good luck to ya man!

Losing the bike don't mean losing your friends though, there are some good people in here who'd like you to stay in touch (as I excpect you will).
MDU

[merv]

Goddamn even Rossi fell off in the weekend.

[ching_ching]

Loved it too death while I did it - time to go an experience/enjoy new things (and knowing me - no less stupid!)

So you ARE going to pursue your passion of building scale models out of ice block sticks... I knew the whole "not going to get another bike" bit was a front! :buggerd: :bye:

[k14]

He did 205 mph too....didn't he?????

Yeah, wasnt that on his CBR924 :laugh:

But if you don't think you can trust yourself on the road take it to the track, its alot safer there and you don't have to worry about some diesel on the track or some granny coming round the next corner the wrong way. Its totally up to the rider as to when they have a bin.

[gav]

Yeah, I'm just gonna miss his avatar......

[jrandom]

If you're not sensible enough to ride within your limits, you shouldn't have been riding in the first place.

I think that's been the general KB consensus about wkid for a while now.

I also note his frequent comments about one-wheeled adventures, but I don't think I've ever seen a photo of his R1 or VTR prettily balanced on half its tyres.

Methinks they may have been fevered imaginings brought on by the occasional throttle-generated bunnyhop powerstand.

[Dodgyiti]

I dont understand why everyone gets freaked when people bin. Your the one in control of your own bike, not them. So if you come off, its your fault. No one elses.

The only exception is traffic, but all of the bins so far if i recall correctly, have been lowsides etc. Rider error.

Everybody freaks because if they have binned before, they know it hurts.
Having to learn to walk again isn't much fun
You can be lucky one day, and really bloody unlucky the next.
Having spent 4 months stuck on the sofa at home, in pain every day and night, it really freaks me when people bin...

[vifferman]

Having spent 4 months stuck on the sofa at home, in pain every day and night, it really freaks me when people bin...But how do you feel about your own safety?
After my first major bin, I never had any second thoughts about riding again, but like you, I used to freak out whenever I saw someone riding recklessly, so I know what you mean.
Having binned a few times myself, my vivid imagination and the memory of what it feels like lowsiding, crashing into a solid object, etc. often (but not always) help to keep me from acting on impulses to "let 'er rip!".

[Drunken Monkey]

Ever thought it was just the sheer numbers of members on the site? Probability would dictate an increase in number of bins stories as the KB population increases.
The last time someone mentioned the 'increase in number of bins', the site had just ticked over 600 members. It's over 1200 members today...
More newbies around now than there used to be as well...I'm no old hand 'round this site (joined May '03), but even back then most of the regular posters were experienced riders, whom tend to be less likely to bin in an own-fault accident, which I understand accounts for around 2/3 of open road motorcycle accidents [gotta find that report again...].

Either that, or I'm completely wrong and there really has been a marked increase in bins.

[Motoracer]

So long Dan. Cheers for the laughs and entertainment.

Goodluck and have a great life.

Sudeep.

[Drunken Monkey]

There we go, not just 'someone', it was Wkid himself who made the observation about 6 months ago:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=2318&page=1&pp=15

[Storm]

Sorry to see anyone leave. Hope life goes well for you. Fair call though, you are the only one who can make the call as to whether you continue riding

[Motu]

''I won't be reading the replies to this thread'' - yeah right... :killingme the guys ego is bigger than his post count,he's lookin right now I bet....

[Eddieb]

3,505 posts is a record that will stand for some time, I suspect.

Yea, about 2 weeks the way Blakamin is going. :)

[Blakamin]

Yea, about 2 weeks the way Blakamin is going. :)
awwwww :whistle:
i promise I'll slow down... if work ever gets busy :cool2:







at least give me 3 months

[Coyote]

Yeah, I'm just gonna miss his avatar......
Lest we forget

[Lou Girardin]

The vitriol is pouring out, isn't it. Poor wkid.
I wonder if he'll give up driving too. A lot of people have cage accidents.
Presonally, I think I'll take to my bed and not leave it. Then I'll only be at risk from acts of God and bedsores.

[Marmoot]

Yeah, I'm just gonna miss his avatar......

and the curves and boobies postings and polls

He's got some good collections of boobies he does...yes he does...

I wouldn't mind putting up with all the bike technical lecture he wrote as long as they are supported with good pictorial illustrations :mellow:

[MD]

Wkid has left the building ie - won't be reading replies~~~~
But he wasn't in the building????
You have to be a motorcyclist first in order to quit being a motorcyclist.
Anyway Wkid, thanks for the boobs and amusing posts and enjoy whatever else it is that you plan to not do next.

[Wenier]

If ya bin ya jus have to get back on and get into it again, and i would hope you'd learn your mistake and not repeat wut u have done.

And yes some people do need more self control.

[merv]

The vitriol is pouring out, isn't it. Poor wkid.
I wonder if he'll give up driving too. A lot of people have cage accidents.
Presonally, I think I'll take to my bed and not leave it. Then I'll only be at risk from acts of God and bedsores.

I never had the pleasure (or otherwise) of meeting the guy either. Maybe because we kept forgetting to tell him where we were meeting.

As for cage accidents, the killer highway claimed another life today. So remember its not the bike or cage to blame its the road as it always gets the blame, so go off-road that's the only really safe place eh! I am sure Motu would agree. Maybe this should open up the road versus dirt experience debate again. I am sure dirt experience helps immensely because you learn to ride without worrying about the bike moving about under you.

Also learning from bins on the dirt at a somewhat slower speed and with a less expensive and harder to break machine isn't a bad way to gain experience.

[Marmoot]

To be honest, he's not a bad rider at all
Got a chance to ride with him once, and I wish we could've had more
:mellow:

[Bleck K6]

I could never give up motorcycles.
I have been riding since I was 11 & have had a couple of big offs,And never ever thought about giving it away.
I remember 1 crash I had when I was about 16 And snapped my arm in half thanks to a cage stoppin in front of me without indicating at 120km/h, I had the bike fixed & was back riding before the cast was off my arm.
I think some people have bikes in there blood.Its there passion & could never give it away.I am 1 of them.
Obviously its not for you.
Good luck finding your passion.

[Motu]

HE'S STILL HERE AND POSTING!!!!!! :shit:

Actualy I enjoyed most of his posts,the ones where he had something to say,he knew his subject and put up good arguments,and stuck to his guns...even when he was wrong - y'know....I'll kinda miss him.

[Blakamin]

HE'S STILL HERE AND POSTING!!!!!! :shit:
.
worlds longest absense? :bye:

[Shade]

Everybody freaks because if they have binned before, they know it hurts.
Having to learn to walk again isn't much fun
You can be lucky one day, and really bloody unlucky the next.
Having spent 4 months stuck on the sofa at home, in pain every day and night, it really freaks me when people bin...


Yeah - I agree with the first part... I feel bad for someone when they bin, because ive been there done that and I know it does hurt.

However, what im saying is I dont hear about someone crashing and then automatically think "Oh crap, they fell off, that must mean im going to fall off, I better quit riding while im ahead!"

Sure, chances are ill have another accident, weather it be sooner or later, but I accept I will most probably be responsible for it, not someones previous crash.

[scumdog]

The vitriol is pouring out, isn't it. Poor wkid.
I wonder if he'll give up driving too. A lot of people have cage accidents.
Presonally, I think I'll take to my bed and not leave it. Then I'll only be at risk from acts of God and bedsores.

Yep, had an accident in bed once, - ain't going there again either 'cos lots of people die in bed!! :killingme

[Skunk]

I never had the pleasure (or otherwise) of meeting the guy either.
He was invited to meet with us once. Said yeah and never showed...

So remember its not the bike or cage to blame its the road as it always gets the blame, so go off-road that's the only really safe place eh!
Never! Off-road the only place I ever broke a bone due to riding a bike! :rolleyes:

[2_SL0]

I never had the pleasure (or otherwise) of meeting the guy either. Maybe because we kept forgetting to tell him where we were meeting.

As for cage accidents, the killer highway claimed another life today. So remember its not the bike or cage to blame its the road as it always gets the blame, so go off-road that's the only really safe place eh! I am sure Motu would agree. Maybe this should open up the road versus dirt experience debate again. I am sure dirt experience helps immensely because you learn to ride without worrying about the bike moving about under you.

Also learning from bins on the dirt at a somewhat slower speed and with a less expensive and harder to break machine isn't a bad way to gain experience.

Dirt being safe, tell that to my numerous bodily parts that have been bruised or broken. But I have to say if your right then Im looking good as I have a reasonable dirt background. BUT bins hurt whether dirt or road. (I did the tree hugging thing, literally) I feel I stirred the pot here on the other post, I apologise as I did not mean to, I was just was concerned with what I was reading. It is all more likely due to the fact that I havent yet been able to really get out on my bike, so going a little stir crazy. Im sure once Im out there I will be
a happy camper. All my concerns with all the bins will be forgotten. :spudbooge

[merv]

Never! Off-road the only place I ever broke a bone due to riding a bike! :rolleyes:

At the speed you were going at the time at least you are still alive and your bike wasn't really broken. That's the difference generally compared to serious bins on the road.

[mangell6]

Get over it! If you're not sensible enough to ride within your limits, you shouldn't have been riding in the first place.

Exactly, I recall one of Wkids posts mentioned his ability or inability to ride within his limits.

[scumdog]

Exactly, I recall one of Wkids posts mentioned his ability or inability to ride within his limits.

Wkid? Wkid? wtf is Wkid? somebody of that name use to ride on this site ;)

[bluninja]

Yep, had an accident in bed once, :killingme

Thoughts of a 'Trainspotters' scene come to mind :moon:

[Zed]

...Take Zed for example - who only a mere 7 months ago was chargrinning me for the very thing he did this weekend (practising and preaching come to mind). And he has the HOLIEST of pillion passengers

Wkid has left the building ie - won't be reading replies~~~~
I only gave you a hard time binning it because you were boasting about your reckless road riding, and not once have I ever claimed that just because I've got the Lord I will NOT bin my bike! You've had a problem with me (and I with you I suppose) for some time now, oh how I wasn't surprised to see my name mentioned in your closing address.

I only hope that God gets a hold of your heart before you die Cincinnati Kid aka Satan(KB member)!

Good bye,


Zed

[Hitcher]

I only hope that God gets a hold of your heart before you die Cincinnati Kid aka Satan(KB member)
I may not know much but I do know that The Wicked One was not "Satan".

[Zed]

...was not "Satan".
Who is it then Hitcher? Secrecy will only cast doubt!

[Paul in NZ]

They come, they go, they leave affordable used motorcycles with stuff all use on em for me to enjoy..

He'll be back......

Pain fades, bones mend but chicks dig scars and glory never fades...

Paul N

[toads]

Hmmmm,I think so - you don't see many with reports of them binning an older bike,but then not as many here ride older bikes.I think a modern bike lulls a rider into a false sence of security,or skill level - they just can't reach the limit of these bikes and so have no idea where it is...until they do of course,then we hear about it.On an older bike the limit is found earlier,you know where it is and how fast you can go at all times.I ride with tyres most would consider unsafe for the road,but I know what's happening with my tyres,the limits within easy reach for me.

I agree here, although I think that most of us that ride older bikes also are older ourselves, the new bikes are far too fast and scary for me, in fact I don't enjoy driving or riding any faster than the speed limit, I have weighed up the cost of binning it and decided that driving a car is dangerous too, but it is a calculated risk I'm taking and I hope and pray I never have an accident. I'm quite a cautious person anyway, but I think it's a good thing that wkid has thought about the cost/risks of bikes and made this descision. He'll come back to bikes for sure but he will be a different sort of biker when he does. This is not a bad thing. As I keep saying to my kids, the cemetary is full of people who never thought it would happen to them.

[Cajun]

They come, they go, they leave affordable used motorcycles with stuff all use on em for me to enjoy..

He'll be back......

Pain fades, bones mend but chicks dig scars and glory never fades...

Paul N
awsome more the replacements dc:<

[igor]

Hmmmm,I think so - you don't see many with reports of them binning an older bike,but then not as many here ride older bikes.I think a modern bike lulls a rider into a false sence of security,or skill level - they just can't reach the limit of these bikes and so have no idea where it is...until they do of course,then we hear about it.On an older bike the limit is found earlier,you know where it is and how fast you can go at all times.I ride with tyres most would consider unsafe for the road,but I know what's happening with my tyres,the limits within easy reach for me.

Motu the problem is they think they can ride but they is just a pack of bunnies.

some people seem to think it was a good ride if ya made it home without crashing or getting a tcket

they ant reached that level that we br ridden at yet

[rodgerd]

I have weighed up the cost of binning it and decided that driving a car is dangerous too, but it is a calculated risk I'm taking and I hope and pray I never have an accident.

I take my cues from the people who do dangerous stuff for a living - rally drivers, airline pilots, and whatnot: if you want to do something dangerous, do it as safely as possible.

[riffer]

The American National Safety Council has an interesting page which shows you what, in the USA in 2001, were your odds on dying doing various activities. Here's the link. (http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm)

Interesting to see you have a 1 in 1214 chance of dying in a motorcycle accident in the States in your lifetime

[Blakamin]

The American National Safety Council has an interesting page which shows you what, in the USA in 2001, were your odds on dying doing various activities. Here's the link. (http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm)

Interesting to see you have a 1 in 1214 chance of dying in a motorcycle accident in the States in your lifetime
I'm buying a streetcar... i wanna live forever... might call it...hmmm... "desire"?

[scumdog]

I'm buying a streetcar... i wanna live forever... might call it...hmmm... "desire"?

Then again you might not.... unless you bought it from U2 :msn-wink:

[Yokai]

Interesting to see you have a 1 in 1214 chance of dying in a motorcycle accident in the States in your lifetime

Weirder is that I had a greater chance (almost 6 times) of committing suicide using a gun while I lived in the States than I did of dying on a motorbike. I'm moving back there... I know I am not going to commit suicide, so if my odds of dying on a bike are 6 times less than that, I must be completely unlikely to die on a bike.

Yo
Lies, Damned Lies and Ballistics

[Blakamin]

Then again you might not.... unless you bought it from U2 :msn-wink:
:lol: :lol: :bash:

[riffer]

Weirder is that I had a greater chance (almost 6 times) of committing suicide using a gun while I lived in the States than I did of dying on a motorbike.
I watched a bit of the 3 Documentary about Coroners in LA last night before Gini had to watch "William and Mary".

Interestingly, they said that 1 in 4 cases deaths in LA County the Coroner handled was a suicide.

[Yokai]

1 in 4 cases deaths in LA County the Coroner handled was a suicide.

That Low? Surely moving to LA County is suicide with all the smog etc.

:sunny: there though

Yokai

[scumdog]

That Low? Surely moving to LA County is suicide with all the smog etc.

:sunny: there though

Yokai

Yeah, but on the plus side;- all that smog stops you getting sunburnt and skin cancer like you get here! :wacko:

[Hitcher]

Who is it then Hitcher? Secrecy will only cast doubt!
If I told you that, I'd have to kill you. As that is against my religion, suffice it to say that all you need to know is that it was not the Wicked One.

[Yokai]

Yeah, but on the plus side;- all that smog stops you getting sunburnt and skin cancer like you get here! :wacko:

True True - And it Doesn't Rain! I mean it - April through November = DRY... Granted, November is a little sucky, and the roads are slippy as anything, and STRAIGHT (Ugh) - but there is one lovely road that I REALLY wanna do now that I have the right to ride a bike ... Highway 17 between Los Gatos and Santa Cruz... twisty turny and 4 accidents from Yank Cagers a day... But go at 2:15pm and it's EMPTY...

Hmmmm *pining* Oh well - I guess that Coromandel trip next weekend will have to do (prays for :sunny:)

Yokai

[Zed]

If I told you that, I'd have to kill you. As that is against my religion, suffice it to say that all you need to know is that it was not the Wicked One.
Nah it was him alright - I've got proof. I see he's no longer on the members list! :shutup:

[White trash]

Yes he was/is/whatever. I know.

[DEATH_INC.]

F****N pussy!

[Posh Tourer :P]

Yeah, but on the plus side;- all that smog stops you getting sunburnt and skin cancer like you get here! :wacko:

Skin cancer easier to get at then lung cancer :wacko:. I'll trade ya.