Ignorant cyclists strike (almost) again

[James Deuce]

Those of you who live in Wellington may know the area I'm talking about.

The Maungaraki Interchange has started and the construction team are leaving crap all over the road, so I go up through Korokoro to avoid all that stuff, which has the added benefit of being tight enough to be entertaining at legal speed. I went up London Rd last night, and at the intersection of London Rd and Maungaraki Rd (which is in Korokoro) a horde of freaking cyclists exited the intersection right into my path without even pausing at the Intersection.

How can you sad sacks of lycra clad meat even begin to think that is a safe and acceptable practice on the road? I had to nail the brakes through an intersection that is mostly manhole covers. To add insult to injury the bastards then spread out to take up the whole road, ON THE WAY INTO A MOSTLY BLIND CORNER. This is a bus route we're talking about. At night, in the dark on a street that isn't that well lit in part.

If I'd fallen off, it would be a safe bet that they'd have ridden off into the distance. If I'd hit one, the aggro bastards would probably have put the boot in.

I. Want. These. "Green". Idiots. Off. The .Road.

The road isn't your private race track, idiots.

[nodrog]

I know what you mean with these ignorant fuckers, came upon a bunch of about 8 or 10, on saturday heading up to Morrinsville, they where heading in the same direction taking up the whole road into a blind righthand corner, not one of the fuckers pulled over to let me through, now my bike isnt exactly discreet in the exhaust department so these pricks knew i was there (and they would have had at least a couple of minutes warning that i was coming), followed them through a couple of corners then made an "assertive" pass, was tempted to put the boot in on the way past.

[MSTRS]

Garlic around your neck and salt across your doorway.
Their dickhead mates who lurk here will be after your blood for daring to 'speak out'

[ipod1098]

Garlic around your neck and salt across your doorway.
Their dickhead mates who lurk here will be after your blood for daring to 'speak out'

fuck 'em! run them off the road!!

[Grahameeboy]

Thanks for calling me a dickhead mate.

Welcome to McJim's ignore list.

Yep, anyone would think that only cyclists are dickheads eh Jamie.......

I come across some inconsiderate cyslists as well as car drivers and motorcylist.............at the end if the day it is people's attitude, not what they ride / drive etc.......we should not pigeon hole

[nodrog]

Garlic around your neck and salt across your doorway.
Their dickhead mates who lurk here will be after your blood for daring to 'speak out'

lol, how can anybody be scared of a grown man, dressed in lycra, that looks like Julian Clarey on a health Kick!

[jrandom]

[generic insult relating to Jim2's parentage]

[moderation thereof following realisation that Jim2 makes valid point]

[further comments in favour of cycling]

[anticipation of refutation]

[acknowledgement and acceptance of feet of clay]

[MSTRS]

Thanks for calling me a dickhead mate.

Welcome to McJim's ignore list.

You CAN be a mate, without being a dickhead, you know....
It's all in here...http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=45005

[jrandom]

This subject has been done to death.

Cyclists should admit (and the KB-resident ones have admitted) that, in bunches, many of their compatriots tend to ride like cunts.

Everyone else should try riding an 8kg pushbike with 10mm tyre contact patches on the road sometime. They'd get fitter and it would assist with empathy.

We gave up on "An Asian Driver Pulled Out In Front Of Me Today" threads on KB years ago. I think it's time to put the "Cyclists Are Bastards" threads to rest as well.

[James Deuce]

If my avoidance action had failed it would have cost me or my Insurance company thousands, thereby pushing up everybody's insurance in small increments.

Yes there are road users of all sorts who cause issues. An individual cyclist is not a problem. 2 or more and they become a dangerous hazard. They do not care one tiny little bit about sharing a public road and any criticism of their inability to obey even the very loose guidelines laid out in the road code gets you the "you just don't understand" speech.

There's not much to understand. Cyclists in groups fail to obey even common sense injury avoidance habits. If I hit one because he/she flew out of a side street at 40 kms/hr only loosely under control, the court will throw the book at ME. There is NO way to identify these mobile hazards and therefore they continue to behave like prize idiots because they'll get away with anything that happens to either the other road user or injury to themselves. It will be the powered vehicle's fault.

[McJim]

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you Jim2.

Bunches of cyclists act like fucktards that think they own the road.

But we must also temper this with acceptance of the facts that bunches of trucks act like fucktards that think they own the road and bunches of cagers act like fucktards that think they own the road and bunches of KBers often act like Fucktards that think they own the road.

You can choose to hate cyclists if that pleases you - I choose to hate fucktards as described in this post.

[Grahameeboy]

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you Jim2.

Bunches of cyclists act like fucktards that think they own the road.

But we must also temper this with acceptance of the facts that bunches of trucks act like fucktards that think they own the road and bunches of cagers act like fucktards that think they own the road and bunches of KBers often act like Fucktards that think they own the road.

I'm just disappointed at being called a dickhead by someone who I considered to be a good friend.

You can choose to hate cyclists if that pleases you - I choose to hate fucktards as described in this post.

I think he was just making a generalisation which you have just made also:shutup:.........anyway a good friend is someone who can call you a dickhead don't ya know:love:

[McDuck]

I dont choose to hate cyclists, i choose to hate cycliests that endangore my personal saftey. Wich is only about 1 in 50 guys, but you do not see the other 49.

[imdying]

Their dickhead mates who lurk here will be after your blood for daring to 'speak out'Wow, can predict the Lotto numbers next?? :clap:

[McJim]

Wow, can predict the Lotto numbers next?? :clap:

*sigh* no one came baying for blood. The prediction was inaccurate. Jim2 says these sort of inflamatory things often - we're used to it (actually makes me smile!:rofl:).

[MSTRS]

Thanks for calling me a dickhead mate.



I've 'met' them on here before. Anyone who defends a group's 'right' to behave obnoxiously is a mate of that group AND a dickhead. Where did I say you were one of them?

[imdying]

Just humour, just humour :D

[James Deuce]

It's not "inflammatory". I've taken a long hard look at how I ride (and do so continually) and changed my habits. I try to avoid blatantly illegal moves in built up areas.

The only road users who give me "moments" these days are 250 riders (of a particular style of 250 I might add. They generally grow up to be GSXR pilots.) and cyclists.

Of those two groups the bikers are generally redeemable. The cyclists are getting worse and their numbers are increasing. These people are obviously doing hill training in preparation for the Round Taupo race coming up, and I understand ENTIRELY the need to do so.

I used to cycle everywhere until I was 20 or so. I've toured the Nth Island by bicycle.You CAN go through intersections without obstructing other road users, there is no need to spear out of a side street and onto the other side of the road. My concern is that unlike trucks, cars, vans, motorcycles, scooters, and mopeds, bicycles are unregistered and in the aftermath of an accident caused by their careless behaviour they can escape scot free as they are unidentifiable.

[McJim]

I've 'met' them on here before. Anyone who defends a group's 'right' to behave obnoxiously is a mate of that group AND a dickhead. Where did I say you were one of them?

On sober reflection - you would probably have been right John. I am a bit of a dickhead. :rofl:

No hard feelings?:girlfight:

[fergie]

This subject has been done to death.

Cyclists should admit (and the KB-resident ones have admitted) that, in bunches, many of their compatriots tend to ride like cunts.

Everyone else should try riding an 8kg pushbike with 10mm tyre contact patches on the road sometime. They'd get fitter and it would assist with empathy.

We gave up on "An Asian Driver Pulled Out In Front Of Me Today" threads on KB years ago. I think it's time to put the "Cyclists Are Bastards" threads to rest as well.

i second this... well said. (i am a cyclist too)

[The Pastor]

i DON'T MIND SINGLE ONES, BUT WHEN THERE IN A GROUP THERE A BIT OF TROUBLE (AROUND TOWN)

[MSTRS]

On sober reflection - you would probably have been right John. I am a bit of a dickhead. :rofl:

No hard feelings?:girlfight:

I put it down to the stress of living in Auckland/moving/being frae Glasgie (choose as fits)
:bleh:

[limbimtimwim]

Like I saw spray painted on a "Don't burst their bubble!" billboard:

Pay RUCs you dildos!

[McJim]

Like I saw spray painted on a "Don't burst their bubble!" billboard:

Pay RUCs you dildos!

Er...I do.......4 times..calm down bro.:rofl:

[MSTRS]

[LEFT]....generally grow up to be GSXR pilots.)


Come on man. Spit it out. We'll have none of these heavily-veiled innuendos...:dodge::rofl:

[fireball]

ill play my tiny violin for you then give you some money to call someone who cares...
we all put up with the same B/S everyday on the roads, all motorists do and we all bitch about each other
can we all get along and worry about more important shit?

... rant over...

[limbimtimwim]

Er...I do.......4 times..calm down bro.:rofl:Oh, I'm not calmed up. I just thought the spraypainted words were quite funny.

[James Deuce]

ill play my tiny violin for you then give you some money to call someone who cares...
we all put up with the same B/S everyday on the roads, all motorists do and we all bitch about each other
can we all get along and worry about more important shit?

... rant over...There is nothing more important than NOT killing other people. I seriously thought (for the first time ever) that I was going to kill one of them, through their own stupidity. We can get along when everyone realises that they have to make an effort to get along by owning the responsibility for their own stupid behaviour.

[sunhuntin]

Everyone else should try riding an 8kg pushbike with 10mm tyre contact patches on the road sometime. They'd get fitter and it would assist with empathy.


been there, done that. every day for forms 1 through 7, and then 2 years of courses. by the end of those courses, i was doing about 3 hours riding a day... 30mins to and from course, plus an hour at lunch. if i felt like it, id do extra going to and from course. funny thing is... it didnt aid my weight or fitness problems at all. hell, by the time i was done, i had completed in 10 mins, a ride across town that takes about 30 mins.

doesnt stop me hating ignorant ANYTHING. cyclists on their own are fine... pairs, still ok so long as go single file on the open road. any more that they are a damn hazard. there are velodromes for training, and road races should be done on closed roads only.

respect goes both ways, and they cannot demand it without showing some in return.

[disenfranchised]

Bicycles count as vehicles ever since that law change a few years back (hell so do skateboards) so if they're on the road they have to obey the road rules...
e.g. Give way, kept left etc....

I believe it's mandatory for them to have lights if riding at night already
Any chance there'll ever be required to have mirrors...would make it much easier to make them aware of who they're holding up

[fireball]

There is nothing more important than NOT killing other people. I seriously thought (for the first time ever) that I was going to kill one of them, through their own stupidity. We can get along when everyone realises that they have to make an effort to get along by owning the responsibility for their own stupid behaviour.

they are like anything else on the road.. a hazard so treat them like one at all times
but no point moaning about it as it wont solve the problem
altho you could ask aunty helen to change the laws for you...

[McJim]

I believe it's mandatory for them to have lights if riding at night already
Any chance there'll ever be required to have mirrors...would make it much easier to make them aware of who they're holding up

I can't imagine it making any difference - I've been held up behind a ho'bag before and it had mirrors :Pokey: :rofl:

[Jantar]

...altho you could ask aunty helen to change the laws for you...

Nice thought, but the laws are already adequate... :yes:

[Swoop]

Any chance there'll ever be required to have mirrors...would make it much easier to make them aware of who they're holding up
Fat chance. Look at cages and how many times they use their mirrors.:laugh:

[Deano]

but no point moaning about it as it wont solve the problem


No but it has made others aware to be careful up that way at the moment - methinks I will pull out my 4x4 and cruise up and down the hill looking for them.....go ahead, pull out of that intersection in front of me, make my day.

[90s]

Know your road hazards:

1) cyclists - generally clueless people on nondescript bikes, hybrids and old crap paying no attention to the road and ignorant of the rules governing road use; moves at a slow painful speed generally in the wrong gear
GIVE THEM A WIDE BERTH
2) roadies - (aka stiffbacks) lycra clad racers on expensive road bikes with 2ft seatposts, singley well behaved although will jump lights / junctions. Social and usually found in packs where they constitute a real menace, thinking that an essentially nude person on a 20lb metal frame is invulnernable to the effects of being hit by cars. Spreads out over the road, unpredictable, illegal.
Also found in pairs, two abreast. Deathwish obviously.
AVOID - AND THE GROUPS RIDING THING IS ILLEGAL AND GIVES CYCLISTS A BAD NAME
3) MTBers - (aka Mountain bikers) - take a 3lb frame and put on hayes / hope disc brakes, marzocchi shocks (maybe front and rear), tractor tyres and some bling, wear fox gear and you are natures own off-road motorbiking cousin. (note XC riders really roadies in stealth). Generally well-behaved if you can find them on road. But do not confuse with cyclists on pieces of shit that look like real MTBs.
GIVE THEM A WAVE
4) Couriers - mad fucks.
AVIOD!

Remember at the end of the day - two wheels good, four wheels bad.

[Insanity_rules]

Ahh all the bastards are out to get us so ya have to ride with eyes in the back of your head. As for 250 riders, these days 250s are extremely capable of mixing it up with much bigger rides.
I went from a CBR 600 down to my VTZ to legalise and it hasn't slowed me up much, in fact I like the lighter bike on the tukkas much better.

I think lycra on men should be bannned......

My 2 cents

[Fatjim]

and in the aftermath of an accident caused by their careless behaviour they can escape scot free as they are unidentifiable.



Not if you leave a nice Pirelli diablo tread pattern up their leg mate.

One thing to remember about cyclists is cleats. They make it very heard to kick out quickly, whereas the weight of a motorcycle and the the lack of doors make it an ideal platform kicking the odd bastard of a bicycle.

One trick that works really well, except on the VTR, is to creep up behind them and blast them with the horn from real close. If you're lucky one might fall off.

[kevfromcoro]

Not if you leave a nice Pirelli diablo tread pattern up their leg mate.


One trick that works really well, except on the VTR, is to creep up behind them and blast them with the horn from real close. If you're lucky one might fall off.

HaHa,lockup your back wheel just before you hit the horn.
Scares the daylights out of them.

[Maha]

Came upon a bunch of about 8 or 10, not one of the fuckers pulled to let me through, these pricks knew i was there, had at least a couple of minutes warning that i was coming.

Its the Lycra that does aye Gordie?....:shifty:

[Blair-SV]

I cycle a lot, mostly to work these days and I have to agree in some way with Jim. Like any group when some people do stupid stuff the others all get the blame. so those idiots that block the road like you say are making it worse for guys like me. Having said that, according to the road rules bikes are allowed to be 2 abreast (max) unless they are passing a slower or stationary object. I really wish the guys running the bunches would police that better too.

Just about every time I go cycling something dangerous happens, drivers pulling out, not giving me enough space (law says 1.5m) and it's making me question my daily cycle. I wish it wasn't the case but it is and I'm well aware of how vulnerable I am out there. My trusty suzuki is starting to look like a more attractive option everyday but I know I'm going to miss the exercise.

over and out

[Angusdog]

Ditto. I switch between my XC MTB and my Suzuki M50 for commuting, and use both for fun. Sometimes on my MTB, I do things outside the letter of the road code knowing full well I can't be identified. Sometimes I speed on my M50. In neither case do I endanger anyone else, and don't condone motorcyclists, drivers or cyclists who do. Inconsiderate use of the road, or dangerous behaviour, is intolerable regardless of vehicle. Heck, even pedestrians need a bollocking sometimes.

Sometimes groups of cyclists, and sometimes individual cyclists, act like they own the road, as they're a higher life form. Clearly that's wrong. But don't assume all cyclists are wankers, in the same way you wouldn't want all motorcyclists labelled similarly.

On a lighter note, check this out:
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[90s]

Having said that, according to the road rules bikes are allowed to be 2 abreast

My god you are right!
http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/about-other-road-users/information-for-cyclists.html

That had slipped me by before. Its mental. I assumed this was illegal as in the UK so thanks.

As a cyclist (or XC / Mountain biker re: my earlier post) myself I would not put myself or a friend where I would have every expectation that a car would trash them at some stage through ignorance, frustration or lack of awareness. Living just of scenic drive I see how close some roadies who insist on riding two abreast come to being taken out - and for what :eek5:?

Anyway, like I said, two wheels good ...

[Swoop]

I think lycra on men should be bannned......
One of the scariest thigs I have ever seen...
South Auckland,
Approx 25 stone in weight,
Probably female...,
Lycra shorts...


:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

[ManDownUnder]

Mr Airhorn is your friend... if they do wrong they get a reminder...

[jazbug5]

Can anyone explain to me why all these born-agains feel the need to stuff themselves into overpriced Da-Glo lycra?

Very confusing. Still, gives me something extra to laugh at when I overtake on my pushie.
If ever any of you guys make it over to the UK, I live in Cycling City, Cambridge. Been thinking about doing a series of photos of different 'types' of cyclist you get here. Apart from the Da-Glo Warrior, there is (in no particular order):


The Worthy Eco Warrior: usually has a canvas trailer attached to the back, often full of children and/or organic vegetables and hessian-weaving supples.
The Foreign Student: 'what side of the road do you guys drive on again... oh, so this is the pavement? Sorry about your.. oh look, it's an old building!'
Grimacing Granny: can be of any age or gender, but clearly Enjoying Not Enjoying themselves, 'pain is good for the soul' types. My favourite, the expression a joy to behold- somewhere between a teeth-baring deathly rictus and 'point of orgasm face'. (Which somehow manages to convey the wearer's sense of Puritanical Disapproval of all around...)
Gym Bunny: suspiciously tanned person with newly bought, shiny gear that is going right back in the shed when the new year's resolution begins to lose the allure. (Around next Tuesday... a car's so much more convenient and comfortable, even if you're only going round the corner.)
Crazy Academic: miles away in a fug of quantum theory, vision occluded by masses of frizzy hair, not to mention the towering stack of books in the obligatory wicker basket in front.
Chav Rider: seat as low as is possible without re-engineering the frame, trousers ditto: bike usually full suspension (dunno about the riders'... ahem). Weeble along from side to side (road or pavement, it all belongs to them), usually having a yelled conversation with a m8 over the tinny yet somehow bone-jarringly loud tune playing from their mobile.


There are more, but I will spare you.

Another thing: why do people weave their torso from side to side when they're really *going* for it? Are there mysterious invisible pulleys that I don't know about, capable of propelling a bike more quickly towards destination 'B'?

[McDuck]

Can anyone explain to me why all these born-agains feel the need to stuff themselves into overpriced Da-Glo lycra?

Very confusing. Still, gives me something extra to laugh at when I overtake on my pushie.
If ever any of you guys make it over to the UK, I live in Cycling City, Cambridge. Been thinking about doing a series of photos of different 'types' of cyclist you get here. Apart from the Da-Glo Warrior, there is (in no particular order):


The Worthy Eco Warrior: usually has a canvas trailer attached to the back, often full of children and/or organic vegetables and hessian-weaving supples.
The Foreign Student: 'what side of the road do you guys drive on again... oh, so this is the pavement? Sorry about your.. oh look, it's an old building!'
Grimacing Granny: can be of any age or gender, but clearly Enjoying Not Enjoying themselves, 'pain is good for the soul' types. My favourite, the expression a joy to behold- somewhere between a teeth-baring deathly rictus and 'point of orgasm face'. (Which somehow manages to convey the wearer's sense of Puritanical Disapproval of all around...)
Gym Bunny: suspiciously tanned person with newly bought, shiny gear that is going right back in the shed when the new year's resolution begins to lose the allure. (Around next Tuesday... a car's so much more convenient and comfortable, even if you're only going round the corner.)
Crazy Academic: miles away in a fug of quantum theory, vision occluded by masses of frizzy hair, not to mention the towering stack of books in the obligatory wicker basket in front.
Chav Rider: seat as low as is possible without re-engineering the frame, trousers ditto: bike usually full suspension (dunno about the riders'... ahem). Weeble along from side to side (road or pavement, it all belongs to them), usually having a yelled conversation with a m8 over the tinny yet somehow bone-jarringly loud tune playing from their mobile.


There are more, but I will spare you.

Another thing: why do people weave their torso from side to side when they're really *going* for it? Are there mysterious invisible pulleys that I don't know about, capable of propelling a bike more quickly towards destination 'B'?

They do because they have farked there knees from running, so the non impact of the bie is good.
I would prefer a motorbike tho :)

[MSTRS]

Another thing: why do people weave their torso from side to side when they're really *going* for it? Are there mysterious invisible pulleys that I don't know about, capable of propelling a bike more quickly towards destination 'B'?

That is a function of the relative depth to which the seat pole is inserted....

[jrandom]

Can anyone explain to me why all these born-agains feel the need to stuff themselves into overpriced Da-Glo lycra?

Oooh, I'll slap you.

The jersey I'm riding in at the moment just became famous (http://www.fatcyclist.com/2007/08/24/cover-girl/), though.

So I feel better about it.

Yes, the pink one.

If pink was good enough for Der Jan, it's good enough for me.

[McDuck]

I feal real sorry for the bus drive the other day that took out a 14 year old on a bike, the kid came out of nowhere and did not even have a helmet. At least it looks like the driver will not get done for it by the cops.

[Rosie]

Oooh, I'll slap you.

The jersey I'm riding in at the moment just became famous (http://www.fatcyclist.com/2007/08/24/cover-girl/), though.

So I feel better about it.

Yes, the pink one.

If pink was good enough for Der Jan, it's good enough for me.

Ooo-er that's pretty. :love: And I could do with a new jersey. :shifty:

[Swoop]

It was pleasing to see, on the news last night, a cyclist carrying a gun (toy, cap-firing!) to scare off marauding magpies which are breeding and protecting their patch which the psyclists are riding through...

The advice given by the authorities... "it is best to ride in groups" to ward off the threat!
A lone cyclist presents a tempting target for the average, horny magpie...

[jazbug5]

Oooh, I'll slap you.

The jersey I'm riding in at the moment just became famous (http://www.fatcyclist.com/2007/08/24/cover-girl/), though.

So I feel better about it.

Yes, the pink one.

If pink was good enough for Der Jan, it's good enough for me.

Mr Random... I saw these lovely outfits and thought of you; irresistible!

[90s]

On a lighter note, check this out:
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Genius!
"my one is red!"

[jrandom]

A lone cyclist presents a tempting target for the average, horny magpie...

Gareth Holebrook, the fulla in Christchurch (http://www.magpie.org.nz/) who got knocked off his bike by a magpie and has been in the news recently, is a good friend and occasional training partner of mine.

[Insert obligatory plug for Airo simulated altitude training - it must be good; the software for the control units couldn't have been written by a nicer guy...]

But yes, magpies really are a menace.


Mr Random... I saw these lovely outfits and thought of you; irresistible!

Heh. And you can tell that that guy in the photos is actually a cyclist.

I do love a good ugly-jersey pisstake. It's part of the rich culture that bicycling has developed over the past century.

Hmm, my short-sleeve-jersey tan lines are down to about 50% intensity. Winter must be almost over!

[EJT]

Gareth Holebrook, the fulla in Christchurch (http://www.magpie.org.nz/) who got knocked off his bike by a magpie and has been in the news recently, is a good friend and occasional training partner of mine.



Yeah I have been attacked a couple of times by magpies while out training on my push bike. Gives you a fright more than anything. Once I got off the bike and picked up a stone to chuck at the little shit and it flew up the tallest tree around so I couldn't reach it (or was it my weak throwing arm).

Don't know if I agree with culling them though. Makes the long rides more exciting.

Anyway - after the horror of seeing those pics posted by Jaz thought I would post something a bit more to my liking. Niki Gudex mmmmm...

[Angusdog]

The pics could be considerably bigger...

[Mr Skid]

Gareth Holebrook, the fulla in Christchurch (http://www.magpie.org.nz/) who got knocked off his bike by a magpie and has been in the news recently, is a good friend and occasional training partner of mine.
Does he drop you on the hills?

[jrandom]

Does he drop you on the hills?

Yes.

He might not now, though, given that he's a cripple after his crash.

:lol:

Hmmm... people might start to wonder...