Charged with dangerous driving. What's going to happen?

[skidMark]

ok well i got arrested the other day for dangerous driving.

now what i'm wondering is what am i looking at....ive never been arrested before....just some speeding tickets, and lost my license once due to demerits.

now ive looked on the web and it says up to 3 months in prison....

and minimum 6 months loss of license.


yet the officers who arrested me said no jail time due to first offence.

were they right or should i get my soap on a rope ready?.

and also my bike is currently impounded, are they possible going to say they are claiming the bike and resell it...that would absolutely gut me as it has alot of sentimental value to me. the details of which i do not want to go into but involves a kb member who worked on the bike etc.... who is no longer with us as of november ...so i'm pretty sure you all know who i mean....

SM

[limbimtimwim]

In my misspent yoof I got charged with careless driving. Go to the police station and ask to make an appointment with the diversion officer. The diversion officer may or may not get the charges dropped in exchange for you making a donation to something. Considering driving history you may be shit out of luck. I had a 100% clean license.

If you do get diversion remember it is almost certain to be your one and only get out of jail free card.

[cynna]

If you do get diversion remember it is almost certain to be your one and only get out of jail free card.

unless you are an all black

[Max Preload]

Fret not.

Prison time? Get real. They don't even lock up proper criminals these days. You'll get a fine and suspension of your license.

[peasea]

In my misspent yoof I got charged with careless driving. Go to the police station and ask to make an appointment with the diversion officer. The diversion officer may or may not get the charges dropped in exchange for you making a donation to something. Considering driving history you may be shit out of luck. I had a 100% clean license.

If you do get diversion remember it is almost certain to be your one and only get out of jail free card.


Take a gun............

I've been arrested heaps of times, just plead not guilty to all the charges, don't even get a lawyer. It's bad enough getting screwed by the cops, don't pay to get screwed by a lawyer as well. A not guilty plea will give them screeds of paperwork, jam the system and generally give you the satisfaction of going head to head with them while you're in the box. They'll probably lie so you should too.

Deny everything.

[Kiwifire72]

Have got to ask
What did you do to get Arrested
Come on surley there is an awesome story to go with your worries of jail

[dogsnbikes]

Gee that judge will take a dim view considering you only got your licence back in june.....

so chances are high that 6mths loss is on the cards

[skidMark]

but will they take my bike and sell it? thats what matters to me....it has too much sentimental value, it's currently in impound for 28 days...

[Big Dave]

With blood shot eyes
And bleedin' hands
I put my new suit
In the cleaners again
Took the first buss
I didn't look back
Lungs long blowin'
Like a smoke stack
Hair fallin' out
As the wind blows through it
My horse ran second
Just like I knew it would
Overflowin' ashtray
Yay

And the Officer said
Better get a lawyer son
Better get a real good one
Get yourself a suit and tie
Get your hair cut way up high
Get yourself a lawyer son
Better get a real good one

I got legs I can walk
All the way down the dirt track
I fell Down
I got up
I turned around then
I walked back
I walked to the sea
I stood there, looked for a sign
It took time
But it came
I added up and took
What was mine

Better get a lawyer son
Better get a real good one
Don't drop the soap
Don't smoke no dope
Get yourself a lawyer son
Your gonna need a good one
To getcha outa this one

Tex Perkins.

[Meanie]

Bugger So what did you do to deserve this

[Skyryder]

but will they take my bike and sell it? thats what matters to me....it has too much sentimental value, it's currently in impound for 28 days...

I don't think so, unless you are in court arrears of some kind.............that or dealing in drugs.

Skyryder

[skidMark]

also any kbers lawyers that would be free next monday at i think it's 9.15 am, if you could donate me some time or sumthing or i dunno...i don't have any money....

and i get the feeling a free oppinted one will be on the cops side.

[skidMark]

I don't think so, unless you are in court arrears of some kind.............that or dealing in drugs.

Skyryder

court arrears???? what does that mean?

[doc]

but will they take my bike and sell it? thats what matters to me....it has too much sentimental value, it's currently in impound for 28 days...
Man you are a worry. Last week we had to give you advice about getting a job. Now you need advice on another event involving what a lot of people will attack you for, as it seems a predominant part of your lifestyle. You didn't get on video for us to see did you ? and please don't say it was outside a school or involved double yellow line passing. Sorry I just had to ask. Pulling heart strings bout the sentimental value "event" wont get much sympathy here either.

[inlinefour]

ok well i got arrested the other day

should i get my soap on a rope ready?.

...so i'm pretty sure you all know who i mean....

SM

Not sure Mark as I do not have a crystal ball, however.

Considering your well documented (on kiwibiker) history of being a squid, you might be in for a good dose of kharma as prescribed by the NZ justice system (YEA RIGHT!!!).
As for the notion of them selling your bike? I'm sure thats just a case of having the worst case senario pointed out. But you never know, with the recient change in boyricer legislation or more to the point, the possibility of the local ploddies knowing your past misbehaving, time will tell.

As far as your sexual fantasies, please keep them to yourself. However one thought that I have had is: Do they have internet access in goal? If not then there is the possibility of no skidMark for 6 months? :niceone:

[nodrog]

also any kbers lawyers that would be free next monday at i think it's 9.15 am, if you could donate me some time or sumthing or i dunno...i don't have any money....

and i get the feeling a free oppinted one will be on the cops side.

I'll represent you bro free of charge, i know fuck all about being a lawyer, but you get what you pay for aye.

[Krusti]

One word................Brokeback. :buggerd:

[1vanvan1]

Do they have internet access in goal? If not then there is the possibility of no skidMark for 6 months? :niceone:

lol!

(10char)

[Kiwifire72]

I hear they still have chain gangs Down at Rangipo Prison Farm
You were looking for a job ast week this could be a break for you

[marty]

Just imagine - if you had have taken that job that was offered to you, you could afford a lawyer.

Although you probably wouldn't have needed one, seeming how you probably would have been at WORK, instead of fucking around on your bike being an unemployable loser.

[skidMark]

can we keep this on topic please instead of digging into me, i'm under enough stress as it is.

[Meanie]

can we keep this on topic please instead of digging into me, i'm under enough stress as it is.

I think i read somewhere "you reap what you sow" :bleh:

[Hitcher]

You're going to Court. You will be asked to plead guilty or not guilty.

You should take legal advice from a Court-appointed lawyer. They're not on the "same side" as the Police. They will instruct you on your rights and the potential consequences of choosing a a particular plea. Unless you have good witnesses and solid evidence that contradicts the Police's case, you will undoubtedly be found guilty and convicted. Pleading guilty in the first instance may allow you to broker a more advantageous deal than allowing a Judge to throw the book at you.

Take advice from the Court-appointed lawyer. I say that most sincerely as a taxpayer who is picking up the tab for your indiscretion.

[Kiwifire72]

can we keep this on topic please instead of digging into me, i'm under enough stress as it is.
we are on topic the topic of what is going to happen to SKIDMARK
We are giving you al the options possible so that you are prepared for the worst
Like the little dot tattoo beside your eye

[doc]

can we keep this on topic please instead of digging into me, i'm under enough stress as it is.
Your kidding us right. You open your life up to KB'r and then want to bail out because of the stress your under. Does mum know your on the internet.
But seriously you had better start learning about role playing games and the wonders of "Lube' Anything you can find is going to be handy, where your heading Sonny boy.

[marty]

can we keep this on topic please instead of digging into me, i'm under enough stress as it is.

But you being pig-headed is what this topic is all about, Mark. Instead of worrying about what the future holds, spend some time reflecting on how you got to where you are today, and use it to grow from.

You asked what's going to happen - you're going to get a salutory lesson in life, and hopefully realise that when people offer you things (that you have sought) in good faith, that you should seriously consider taking those offers up.

[Hitcher]

And anyway, haven't you previously lost your license for traffic offences? As this isn't your "first time", I wouldn't be too hopeful about leniency. Buy yourself a bus pass.

[Krusti]

Anyway without knowing exactly how dangerous you were it is impossible to guess what is likely to happen.

As far as being attached to your bike the court is not going to give a shit. If anything they will tell you that if you were that attached then maybe you should have been more carefull.

[BIKEGAL68]

if u have fines outsiding they could sell the bike ..............
once impound of 28 days u go pay the cost of impound not pretty that is for sure ............. an then u can have bike back ........

[RantyDave]

can we keep this on topic please
Do what Hitcher said. Dress nicely for court, look sorry, do not smirk. They are going to fine you like you can't imagine. The court appointed lawyer will try and scam it such that you can pay it back at $20/week. However, if you're already doing so due to ... say ... previous convictions then I'd reckon your chances are significantly lowered.

So, yes, they might sell the bike to pay your fine. And you will almost certainly be gaining a criminal conviction. And you will have to own up to it every time you go abroad for the rest of your life and some places may not let you in because of it. (Jokes about Australia and criminal convictions for another day, please). Certainly your insurance costs are going to be through the fucking roof for the next five years at least and probably ten.

You are not gonna do porridge. It's expensive and only, really, for people who pose an ongoing threat to society. Once they've flogged the bike that won't include you.

I'd buy some nice comfy shoes if I were you. And a bus pass. And be thankful you're still fucking alive because many better men and women aren't.

Dave

[Kiwifire72]

These Boots were made for walking and walking whats they will do

Come on everybody join in and sing along with Skid

[Morcs]

Mark,

They will lump you with a 6 month suspension (minimum) and a fine, plus court costs.

If you cannot pay the fines, then they may take bike as payment (just like what happened to Zero Index I think).


I got done for dangerous last year, but was first offence - 6 month ban and $320 fine.

I hope this helps.

[skidMark]

apparently being my first conviction i can apply for a "diversion" but somebody else reckoned you had to be under 18 to get it?

anybody able to enlighten?

[skidMark]

Mark,

They will lump you with a 6 month suspension (minimum) and a fine, plus court costs.

If you cannot pay the fines, then they may take bike as payment (just like what happened to Zero Index I think).


I got done for dangerous last year, but was first offence - 6 month ban and $320 fine.

I hope this helps.

same situation...my first offence also...i am happy to pay it off i can afford to pay off a big fine...at like whatever it is a week or whatever..........so i dunno if they would still take the bike...

how long do you get to pay the fine?

[1vanvan1]

I would walk 500 miles
And I would walk 500 more
Just to be the man who walked 1,000 miles
To get right to your door

:clap:

[riffer]

Mark- take your medicine.

Prove to me that a least one milleniall has the guts to actually take responsibility for their own life.

:mellow:

[Boob Johnson]

Geez you & Zero Index are pea's in a pod aren't you :rolleyes:



Do tell us what happened, you can't expect to get accurate answer's without knowing the full story. There's dangerous driving than then there's DANGEROUS driving if you know what I mean.

[Mom]

Diversion is an option open to anyone with a first offence regardless of age. You will need some referees matey, and a positive "this is where I am heading because I learned my lesson" and "here are the people prepared to support me" kind of game plan before you would be considered.

Best of luck mate, somehow I think you may need it this time.

:love: Mom

[Matt_TG]

Why don't you ask your appointed lawyer these questions?

[Indiana_Jones]

I don't think you can get 'Diversion' for traffic offensives, which I think by the way arn't ciminal offences and don't affect overseas travel (or so the lawyer at the citizens advice bearu told me).

They didn't impound my bike when they did me with dangerous driving (but they dropped that and have gave me a fine), so what the bloody hell were you doing?

That might give us more idea of what advice to give you

But as it's been said, I doubt you'll be off to jail, they don't even send people with their 5th DUI to jail.

You'll get at least 6 months walking and a big fine

EDIT: Forgot to mention, pop into your nearest Citizens advice bearu, and you see a lawyer for free, they'll give you advice

-Indy

[marty]

i doubt whether you'd get diversion - having just got your licence back from a suspension (which is recorded on your history) it would more than likely preclude it, especially as it's for a like offence (traffic).

[Kiwifire72]

same situation...my first offence also...i am happy to pay it off i can afford to pay off a big fine...at like whatever it is a week or whatever..........so i dunno if they would still take the bike...

how long do you get to pay the fine?
IS loosing your licence not an Offence
Is it not kept on record
so isn't this NUMBER 2 for you skid???????

[RantyDave]

Prove to me that a least one milleniall has the guts to actually take responsibility for their own life.
I believe they're called generation Y ... and I've heard this complaint more than once. Hmmmmm.

Dave

[The Pastor]

dude, your going to get pwnt.

I predict 6 months disqual, and 1g fine (they go hard on young boy racers).

You can do what im doing and pay it off at 10/week. theres no time limit i think (although my fine was only 700)

Good luck trying to afford a buss pass there like $200/month!

[Kiwifire72]

I fought the law and the Law won

[skidMark]

approaching a set of traffic lights....

a white nissan sentra is infront of me.....


the traffic light has just gone green.... there is one straight ahead lane...and a right turn only lane..

infront of me gradually taking off from the lights is about 7 cars with a stagecoach remuera rider bus in the middle of the group.

the car driver in the white nissan sentra infront of me swerves hard around the group and goes foot to the floor up the right turning only lane....which i had moved to the right as i was going to turn right down that road....he swerved across infront of me..... and buried it up to about 90-100kph....then did not turn right instead he went straight through and swerved back into traffic....

i stupidly trying to do the right thing and get his rego, and see what the driver looked like..... chased after him.....got behind him got rego...then started to pass him (in the lane as there were double yellows) he saw me coming up on his side and turned the wheel hard right to ram me....

this broke my footpeg and footpeg hanger off...

i hear oi pull over!!!! yelled form the driver...i did not pull over for about 200 metres as there was nowhere to stop due to parked cars on the side of the road.....the guy then overtook another car on the wrong side of the road that had pulled out between us and as i stopped he came past me and blocked me in (not like i was going to go anywhere...thats why i stopped.

some witnesses stopped

one a young maori guy no older than say 21 or 22?

and yelled abuse at me ....what the f**k is wrong with you etc etc.

yet the guy in the sentra as he pulled back in after his high speed overtake at the traffic lights, pulled infront of this young maori guy.

another older fella who as far as i can remember used to work at the building next to my old work and has always had it in for me, i said i recognise you....no you don't don't know you at all...he wantedm e screwed over.....


and another guy in a ute yelling abuse no idsea hwere he fitted in....

they refused to call the police.

and the driver of the sentra said you are paying for my car....all that was broken was a hubcap.....and a big black mark down the side of the car...possibly from my mirror they said....but my mirrors had come loose and folded in...so i suspect it was already there.... as his headlight and front indicator etc had damage...and i got nowhere near hitting that part of the car....

nho dents in car and black mark if from me would polish out...he says mate your fucked i am going to fuck you over for this, you can get the whole side of my car repainted. and my lights fixed etc......

i demanded that the cops come and i did not have a cellphone ...so after asking this about 10 times the abusive guy who i ddnt know where he fitted in...called the cops for me.

cops arrived....took all thier storys...

then the other cop took mine last without the younger officer there....by younger officer i am just using this as a description not as if to say he did not know what he was doing or anything like that. so we are clear....

i said i am the one who wanted you guys here they said hang on you didnt call he did...i said because i did not have a phone...they ddnt believe me. but the sentra driver said i infact did ask them to come....

after my statement is taken (what i wrote up top)

the young officer comes up filling out a form for vehicle impound....i asked if that was for my bike he said yes.... i said why..

he said i will explain shortly.....

next thing...young cop says:...you are under arrest and being charged with dangerous driving....
i said have you read my statementi gave to the officer ...he said no i do not need to i replyed can you please read it as it explains what happens, he said: theres enough witnesses for the other guy i don't need to read yours....

and tow truck showed up took my bike...

and i went to central in the back of the police car.

now all the way through this i was ocmpletely cooperative and nice to them not rude whatesoever...

sorry it's such a long story but thats what happened in the absolute truth not bullshitting as i do not see a point in doing that.

Regards: SM

[Pumba]

I don't think you can get 'Diversion' for traffic offensives, which I think by the way arn't ciminal offences and don't affect overseas travel (or so the lawyer at the citizens advice bearu told me).
-Indy

Traffic offences e.g speeding tickets side of the road shit I agree, but dangours driving can mess up internation travel plans, the old man had to get a visa to get into the states

[skidMark]

i also meet all of the criteria for the "clean slate" law

explained here....

http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/other/2004/clean-slate/english.html

according to a mate this would mean there would be no court appearance etc.

[Mr. Peanut]

Hey, this can be punishment for all the times you did stupid shit that could've got ya killed and didn't get caught. Cool eh?

[merv]

So you tried to teach this guy a lesson, like take the law into your own hands and the law didn't like you, is that what you are saying? Sounds like an expensive alternative to taking that right turn like you were going to.

[skidMark]

So you tried to teach this guy a lesson, like take the law into your own hands and the law didn't like you, is that what you are saying? Sounds like an expensive alternative to taking that right turn like you were going to.

yeah was just trying to help, regretting it terribly now.

[1vanvan1]

If he didn't effect you I wouldn't of bothered. Seems like a expensive way just to get a rego plate.

[skidMark]

he swerved across infront of me to rip up past on the right...lucky he ddnt take me out. came bloodey close to getting hit as he swerved across luckily had 2 fingers on the brake lever.

[BIKEGAL68]

I would say u are very lucky you didnt end up in a worse situation chasing the veh ....
That other driver could have really done some damage.
First lession ........... never never chase a veh .......... your life an other are just not worth it .

[Hitcher]

sorry it's such a long story but thats what happened in the absolute truth not bullshitting as i do not see a point in doing that.

And based on that outstanding contribution to English literature, do you think you're guilty of dangerous driving? Serious question.

[Luckylegs]

Hmmmm... he swerved hard left, yet the description in the other thread says he swerved hard right ???... stress huh ?

[Kiwifire72]

isn't it good looking at the end of this thread and there is 22 of us watching, reading and god knows what else we doing or thinking in regards to SM
plus 3 others that are visiting hmmmm maybe its the Judge and the Police prosicutions sgt watching and taking notes

[1vanvan1]

Oh yeh, And what would you have done when you saw what the driver looked like. he could of knocked you off your bike. Or even when u pulled over he could of decked you. I woud of shrugged it of and continues on my day.

I guess thats why i still have my licence.

[skidMark]

Hmmmm... he swerved hard left, yet the description in the other thread says he swerved hard right ???... stress huh ?


oops typo sorry nddnt check it over fully after..will change it...yer swerved right into me..oopsie...

[limbimtimwim]

and i get the feeling a free oppinted one will be on the cops side.Show up as early as possible and chase them down. They will be busy, don't dither, make sure you get the the front of the queue. It's their job to represent you and will not side with the cops.

[doc]

approaching a set of traffic lights....

a white nissan sentra is infront of me.....


the traffic light has just gone green.... there is one straight ahead lane...and a right turn only lane..

infront of me gradually taking off from the lights is about 7 cars with a stagecoach remuera rider bus in the middle of the group.

the car driver in the white nissan sentra infront of me swerves hard around the group and goes foot to the floor up the right turning only lane....which i had moved to the right as i was going to turn right down that road....he swerved across infront of me..... and buried it up to about 90-100kph....then did not turn right instead he went straight through and swerved back into traffic....

i stupidly trying to do the right thing and get his rego, and see what the driver looked like..... chased after him.....got behind him got rego...then started to pass him (in the lane as there were double yellows) he saw me coming up on his side and turned the wheel hard left to ram me....

this broke my footpeg and footpeg hanger off...

i hear oi pull over!!!! yelled form the driver...i did not pull over for about 200 metres as there was nowhere to stop due to parked cars on the side of the road.....the guy then overtook another car on the wrong side of the road that had pulled out between us and as i stopped he came past me and blocked me in (not like i was going to go anywhere...thats why i stopped.

some witnesses stopped

one a young maori guy no older than say 21 or 22?

and yelled abuse at me ....what the f**k is wrong with you etc etc.

yet the guy in the sentra as he pulled back in after his high speed overtake at the traffic lights, pulled infront of this young maori guy.

another older fella who as far as i can remember used to work at the building next to my old work and has always had it in for me, i said i recognise you....no you don't don't know you at all...he wantedm e screwed over.....


and another guy in a ute yelling abuse no idsea hwere he fitted in....

they refused to call the police.

and the driver of the sentra said you are paying for my car....all that was broken was a hubcap.....and a big black mark down the side of the car...possibly from my mirror they said....but my mirrors had come loose and folded in...so i suspect it was already there.... as his headlight and front indicator etc had damage...and i got nowhere near hitting that part of the car....

nho dents in car and black mark if from me would polish out...he says mate your fucked i am going to fuck you over for this, you can get the whole side of my car repainted. and my lights fixed etc......

i demanded that the cops come and i did not have a cellphone ...so after asking this about 10 times the abusive guy who i ddnt know where he fitted in...called the cops for me.

cops arrived....took all thier storys...

then the other cop took mine last without the younger officer there....by younger officer i am just using this as a description not as if to say he did not know what he was doing or anything like that. so we are clear....

i said i am the one who wanted you guys here they said hang on you didnt call he did...i said because i did not have a phone...they ddnt believe me. but the sentra driver said i infact did ask them to come....

after my statement is taken (what i wrote up top)

the young officer comes up filling out a form for vehicle impound....i asked if that was for my bike he said yes.... i said why..

he said i will explain shortly.....

next thing...young cop says:...you are under arrest and being charged with dangerous driving....
i said have you read my statementi gave to the officer ...he said no i do not need to i replyed can you please read it as it explains what happens, he said: theres enough witnesses for the other guy i don't need to read yours....

and tow truck showed up took my bike...

and i went to central in the back of the police car.

now all the way through this i was ocmpletely cooperative and nice to them not rude whatesoever...

sorry it's such a long story but thats what happened in the absolute truth not bullshitting as i do not see a point in doing that.

Regards: SMYou are going to need that "Lube and maybe knee pads" try doing some courses while your there, could help with your objective's on the employment scene. It's still gunna hurt tho "new boy on the block" if you get my drift.

[skidMark]

And based on that outstanding contribution to English literature, do you think you're guilty of dangerous driving? Serious question.


i see myself as not guilty as i was just trying to help and i wasnt fanging it to catch him was only in 2nd gear....

but i mean in reality what can i do when i have witnesses on his side that have grudges against me....

[Kiwifire72]

And based on that outstanding contribution to English literature, do you think you're guilty of dangerous driving? Serious question.
I would have to ask the same Question SM
Are you guilty???????
seriously think of this question and answer it seriously
it maybe one chance you have to maybe get some respect from your fellow bikers if you can answer a serious question truthfully and honestly

[Mom]

sorry it's such a long story but thats what happened in the absolute truth not bullshitting as i do not see a point in doing that.

Regards: SM

Sorry to read you got into this situation matey! Mom is pleased to read that you are merely facing Dangerous driving charges, you could have been dead!!

Try to see this as another step forward*, as opposed to a step back ok!!

*another opportunity to think about responsibilities while not holding a license

:love: Mom

[skidMark]

plus 3 others that are visiting hmmmm maybe its the Judge and the Police prosicutions sgt watching and taking notes

that does not worry me whatsoever as i am telling the complete truth and the same as what is it my police statement.

i have no need to lie i'm telling it as it is.

ifi thought i was at fault at the time i would not have demanded police come when the other guy said he did not want cops and refused to call them.

[1vanvan1]

isn't it good looking at the end of this thread and there is 22 of us watching, reading and god knows what else we doing or thinking in regards to SM
plus 3 others that are visiting hmmmm maybe its the Judge and the Police prosicutions sgt watching and taking notes

Wow! 24 now!

[Kiwifire72]

IS what you did dangerous and in some ways stupid??????

[tri boy]

With blood shot eyes
And bleedin' hands
I put my new suit
In the cleaners again
Took the first buss
I didn't look back
Lungs long blowin'
Like a smoke stack
Hair fallin' out
As the wind blows through it
My horse ran second
Just like I knew it would
Overflowin' ashtray
Yay

And the Officer said
Better get a lawyer son
Better get a real good one
Get yourself a suit and tie
Get your hair cut way up high
Get yourself a lawyer son
Better get a real good one

I got legs I can walk
All the way down the dirt track
I fell Down
I got up
I turned around then
I walked back
I walked to the sea
I stood there, looked for a sign
It took time
But it came
I added up and took
What was mine

Better get a lawyer son
Better get a real good one
Don't drop the soap
Don't smoke no dope
Get yourself a lawyer son
Your gonna need a good one
To getcha outa this one

Tex Perkins.

Cruel Sea Rocks:not:
Oh yeah, SM guess it was one of those days aye?
If your young, you are bound to have a heap more heading your way.

[Hitcher]

i see myself as not guilty as i was just trying to help and i wasnt fanging it to catch him was only in 2nd gear...

Who, exactly, were you trying to "help"? You're not convincing the jury on my side of this monitor.

[limbimtimwim]

I don't think you can get 'Diversion' for traffic offensives, which I think by the way arn't ciminal offences and don't affect overseas travel (or so the lawyer at the citizens advice bearu told me).I did, for careless driving. About 8 years ago.

[skidMark]

IS what you did dangerous and in some ways stupid??????


yeah i guess it was but at the time it seemed justified...looking back it was stupid and i would not do it again.

the thing is the cop that charged me did not even read my statement he just did me for it....so i don't know.

[Steam]

Whether or not the other witnesses had it in for you...
...it seems to me you had this coming.
It would have happened one way or another eventually.

Can't say I care much.

[0arbreaka]

Mark maybe if you rode like a reasonably civilised human being instead of this wannabe Rossi, this wouldnt have happened. Settle down mate, may I suggest a slow bike if your zxr is sold to pay off fines, how about something like a gpx or something that you wont get yourself into trouble on. You have to admit you ride like a retard on p. You'll loose your license and most probably your bike due to the fact that youve got thousands of dollars of fines to your name already that your paying off at a chocolate bar a week. I would say that your chances of getting an exemption are slim due to the fact that you only got ur license back in June. I am not taking a dig at you, Im just saying maybe you should look at yourself as well in this situation.

[skidMark]

Who, exactly, were you trying to "help"? You're not convincing the jury on my side of this monitor.


well there was no cop and i could see if the guy drives like this hes going to cause a massive accident...his occupation was a professional body builder....maybe hes on sterpoids or testosterone fuck i dunno

it was a silly thingt to do and i regret it.

[Kiwifire72]

yeah i guess it was but at the time it seemed justified...looking back it was stupid and i would not do it again.

the thing is the cop that charged me did not even read my statement he just did me for it....so i don't know.
ok well that is a start
you have admited that was you did was stupidand that you would not do it again
Now can you see where we are all coming from????????
you are facing at worst time
but most likey 6 to 12 months suspension and a reasonable fine 1k plus and court costs
was it worth it???????
go to court next week admit you have done wrong
take what the judge gives you
and be a man about it
and BLOODY WELL LEARN from this Mark

[Mom]

And based on that outstanding contribution to English literature, do you think you're guilty of dangerous driving? Serious question.

Hey Hitcher, his guilt or innocence is not something to be discussed here as he is yet to appear in court and at this stage he is only alleged to have committed an offense. He gets to appear in court and plea before that is decided.

The fact that my spelling and his grammer, or our contributions to English literature are not up to your standards is irrelevant!

[doc]

yeah i guess it was but at the time it seemed justified...looking back it was stupid and i would not do it again.

the thing is the cop that charged me did not even read my statement he just did me for it....so i don't know.
All us watching this thread are willing to come to court and give you a character witness if you want.

[Hitcher]

The fact that my spelling and his grammer, or our contributions to English literature are not up to your standards is irrelevant!

I don't mind criticism for what I post. But did I criticise his spelling or grammar? No. Did I judge him as to whether or not he was innocent or guilty? No. I asked him to judge himself.

[skidMark]

doc...errrrr a good or bad one LOL

u lot would prob say throw the book at him!

[Kiwifire72]

doc...errrrr a good or bad one LOL

u lot would prob say throw the book at him!
maybe you can answer that question yourself Mark

[skidMark]

maybe you can answer that question yourself Mark

i would if i knew how to

[Steam]

You better hope and pray no police officer has linked your skidMark profile to your number plate, they'll see all your videos of yourself doing illegal stuff, they'll read all about you boasting of your speeding and the other illegal stuff you do.
They'll come down extra-hard, crush the bike, massive fines, community service, oh boy you made a big mistake bragging about all that stuff and posting that incriminating evidence.
Hope and pray...:innocent:

[skidMark]

ummmm???

righto.....

[janno]

Well, we could honestly say you've admitted it was stupid and you regret it . . .

That's a start, innit?

[Luckylegs]

Just glad you waited to do this when KB was up. It would have been a tragedy to think this could all have happened while we were all offline in the great KB crash of 07.

[Kiwifire72]

Well, we could honestly say you've admitted it was stupid and you regret it . . .

That's a start, innit?
I would fully agree with you Janno
But is he going to learn from this????????

[0arbreaka]

Mark im going to say that cop charged you with dangerous driving because of the fact that you decided to chase after the bloke, the fact that the guy decided to ram you is just a result of your escapade. I mean overtaking on a single lane road, speeding, as well as probably a number of other things which you did was probably enough to justify the charges. Sorry bro

[skidMark]

damn right i am. it's not worth it.

[Blackbuell]

Ya could have paid at least half of ya fine if ya would have taken the job with me mark,but 1vanvan1 gets all that now,this might give ya time to sit down & evaluate what every one has been trying to help you,hopefuuly they dont throw the book at you,but ya just never know the justice system.

[Kiwifire72]

damn right i am. it's not worth it.
So are we going to hear or see in 6 months time SM's videos, Pics, orstories of illegal or dangerous stunts monouvers of the like that has been seen in the past
or are we going to see you riding a GN 250 like a nanna in a safe and pleasent manor?????

[skidMark]

you will see me riding whichever bike i like...

in a nannerly slow safe boomerlike fashion.

[scumdog]

but will they take my bike and sell it? thats what matters to me....it has too much sentimental value, it's currently in impound for 28 days...

Shoulda though of that before you got busted ding-a-ling!!!

[skidMark]

Shoulda though of that before you got busted ding-a-ling!!!

i didnt get busted i demanded that the cops come.

not the result i had in mind though

[Patrick]

apparently being my first conviction i can apply for a "diversion" but somebody else reckoned you had to be under 18 to get it?

anybody able to enlighten?

As disqualification applies, there is no diversion.


i also meet all of the criteria for the "clean slate" law

explained here....

http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/other/2004/clean-slate/english.html

according to a mate this would mean there would be no court appearance etc.

As above... and yes, you will have to appear. Dont go, and a warrant will be issued for your arrest.

Having read about some of your "exploits" I wonder if I should... but hey... what the.....

Your bike can not be impounded for Dangerous Driving. Is there more to the story...???

Boy racer act legislation will take it from ya, (Sustained Loss of Traction, Unnecessary Display of Speed, partaking in a drag race...etc)... not dangerous driving... If it is only dangerous, point this out to the officer in charge (Senior Sgt at the Station) and seek its release on appeal (That stuff on the rear of the impound notice...).

[sunhuntin]

Whether or not the other witnesses had it in for you...
...it seems to me you had this coming.
It would have happened one way or another eventually.

Can't say I care much.

+1

i aint even gonna bother with this one...

[skidMark]

As disqualification applies, there is no diversion.



As above... and yes, you will have to appear. Dont go, and a warrant will be issued for your arrest.

Having read about some of your "exploits" I wonder if I should... but hey... what the.....

Your bike can not be impounded for Dangerous Driving. Is there more to the story...???

Boy racer act legislation will take it from ya, (Sustained Loss of Traction, Unnecessary Display of Speed, partaking in a drag race...etc)... not dangerous driving... If it is only dangerous, point this out to the officer in charge (Senior Sgt at the Station) and seek its release on appeal (That stuff on the rear of the impound notice...).

it was dangerous and nothing else....

from whati have rread prior disqualification does not apply (was just build up of demerits)

andi do not have an impound notice they ndid not give me one when they relqeased me the said they should have given you one or it should be in your bag....

but it was not.

they said i will have to ask at court.

[Spyke]

man i feel for ya, but i can see that habbits need to change. (man i sound like my mum).

[yod]

i seriously question your version of events;

you say you decided not to turn right so you could chase the guy and get his rego and do the responsible thing because he was driving dangerously...umm...ok....then you say you passed him.....WHY?? why not stop, turn around and head back to where you were heading in the first place and then report the incident after you got to your destination?

sounds more to me like he decided to cane it and you saw a chance to have a bit of a race......

just my guess....

[mbazza]

it was dangerous and nothing else....

from whati have rread prior disqualification does not apply (was just build up of demerits)

Oh well, if it was just a build up of demerits then it wasn't your fault was it? It was the fault of the naughty rossers for catching you and writing you up! You poor thing! GROW UP! Chairs. :nono:

[skidMark]

i seriously question your version of events;

you say you decided not to turn right so you could chase the guy and get his rego and do the responsible thing because he was driving dangerously...umm...ok....then you say you passed him.....WHY?? why not stop, turn around and head back to where you were heading in the first place and then report the incident after you got to your destination?

sounds more to me like he decided to cane it and you saw a chance to have a bit of a race......

just my guess....


because i wanted to be able to identify the driver at a laterc stage if need be.

[Brett]

Bloody hell, karma is going to bite some of you sanctimonious, speed kills, legalists on the arse with your attitudes.
I have said before, Mark does some stupid things yes, gonna get him in trouble, yes. Maybe this is karma...yes. But the absolute glee that some of you get from this incident and the grief/piss taking he continually gets pisses me off. Constructive group peer pressure/dissapproval when one has been an idiot is one thing (bring back the stock and rotten veges maybe) but some of you need to chill out.

Mark - Learn the lesson fella! You are getting into too much shit far too regularly. One day it may cost you dearly...more so than loosing any bike. This is advice outside of this incident as someone who reckons you are alright.

On the topic at hand, sounds like you got a bit of a rough deal, based on your post above. I nearly got done about 6 years ago as an 18 year old drving a black sports car at midnight and was pulled over by a cop who decided to cause some shit. He fabricated claims to fine me for, and when challenged, offered to arrest me and let me have a night in a government hotel. As I had work at 7:30am that morning, I kindly declined and had to suck it up. I know how it feels.
I doubt you will get more than a 6 month disqual, maybe 12months if you are really unlucky as I seem to recal you have lost your licence once before. You will also get a fine of sorts, but probably wil get the bike back. Otherwise, keep an eye on the police auctions and buy it back.

Hope it works out for you, hope you learn the lesson. As tempting as it is, taking the law into your own hands seldom works, heaven knows I have tried, and struggle with the same thing sometimes when morons nearly take me out on the road.

[sunhuntin]

i think, brett, most here have gone past the offer good advice and hold off the pisstaking stage. seems almost every week mark fucks up somewhere, and then comes and cries foul. in this case, it would appear he fucked up trying to do the right thing, which sucks, but there must be a reason why ALL witnesses wish him ill?

mom... how young is young? ive been riding since i was about 20... started learning at 18 [buggered off overseas and continued the education from the pillion seat] im now 22, and have travelled as far north as paeroa, and as far south as invercargill. some 20,000k if not more.
in those k's, ive been hit once, which was not my fault [she ran a stop sign] and have gone off the road once, which was a combo of my fault, and the guy in front of me's fault for overtaking on a corner.
i learned from both. the first: approach intersections with caution, and the second: dont ride with that guy!
somehow ive managed to go all that distance without a single ticket or raised brow from a cop. it aint hard.

[ZeroIndex]

You're going to Court. You will be asked to plead guilty or not guilty.

You should take legal advice from a Court-appointed lawyer. They're not on the "same side" as the Police. They will instruct you on your rights and the potential consequences of choosing a a particular plea. Unless you have good witnesses and solid evidence that contradicts the Police's case, you will undoubtedly be found guilty and convicted. Pleading guilty in the first instance may allow you to broker a more advantageous deal than allowing a Judge to throw the book at you.

Take advice from the Court-appointed lawyer. I say that most sincerely as a taxpayer who is picking up the tab for your indiscretion.
I agree with Hitcher on this one... the court-appointed lawyer (also known as a duty solicitor) is your best source of free advice and defense... If you can, go for the diversion, otherwise something bad will probably happen

[ZeroIndex]

Do what Hitcher said. Dress nicely for court, look sorry, do not smirk. They are going to fine you like you can't imagine. The court appointed lawyer will try and scam it such that you can pay it back at $20/week. However, if you're already doing so due to ... say ... previous convictions then I'd reckon your chances are significantly lowered.

So, yes, they might sell the bike to pay your fine. And you will almost certainly be gaining a criminal conviction. And you will have to own up to it every time you go abroad for the rest of your life and some places may not let you in because of it. (Jokes about Australia and criminal convictions for another day, please). Certainly your insurance costs are going to be through the fucking roof for the next five years at least and probably ten.

You are not gonna do porridge. It's expensive and only, really, for people who pose an ongoing threat to society. Once they've flogged the bike that won't include you.

I'd buy some nice comfy shoes if I were you. And a bus pass. And be thankful you're still fucking alive because many better men and women aren't.

Dave
No, that's where you're wrong... don't dress nicely (suit and tie) for court... dress pants and shirt, stay away from the suit and tie... suit and tie means you're guilty/you can afford a huge fine...

[Mom]

mom... how young is young?

I have no idea really, but I am still young in my mind, and I am not far off my next "0" birthday!



somehow ive managed to go all that distance without a single ticket or raised brow from a cop. it aint hard.

Good for you, unfortunately I have a few black marks against my driving record, and some of those nasty demerit point things. Mind you I have quite a few years on you so I guess there is time for you to get "caught" and for your halo to get a bit burnished.

[Brett]

i think, brett, most here have gone past the offer good advice and hold off the pisstaking stage. seems almost every week mark fucks up somewhere, and then comes and cries foul. in this case, it would appear he fucked up trying to do the right thing, which sucks, but there must be a reason why ALL witnesses wish him ill?

mom... how young is young? ive been riding since i was about 20... started learning at 18 [buggered off overseas and continued the education from the pillion seat] im now 22, and have travelled as far north as paeroa, and as far south as invercargill. some 20,000k if not more.
in those k's, ive been hit once, which was not my fault [she ran a stop sign] and have gone off the road once, which was a combo of my fault, and the guy in front of me's fault for overtaking on a corner.
i learned from both. the first: approach intersections with caution, and the second: dont ride with that guy!
somehow ive managed to go all that distance without a single ticket or raised brow from a cop. it aint hard.

I hear where you are coming from, and appreciate several points that you have made in your post. Let me comment on just a few things:

1 - Have you met Mark? He is one A.D.D. dude, heaps of energy, always keen to chat and overall a pretty friendly bloke. Now I know you didn't attack his personality, so please don't see this as a rebuke in that regard, merely that those of us who have met him, know there is more to him than a KB log in name. And yes, as I have said, he has a lot to learn, and I as much as others have heard this and that from him and given him a go when he has done something stupid. But a rebuke and 'haha told you so' are two different things.

2- You have clocked up some good kms on your bike, genuinely, well done. Also appreciate, in my riding experience I have now done 30-40000kms and am on the verge of having my vehicle piloting card removed if I get one more reasonable size fine. There are also MANY MANY others on here who have lost licences for excessive speed, demerits etc. Let those of us be the last to throw stones.
I ride pretty fast when I am in the mood, however I do NOT cross the centerline dangerously, ride within 80% of my ability on the road or ride as a menace to other cars or bikes. Thus I defend the position that clocking up speeding fines equates to 'bad' or dangerous riding. But riding for me wouldn't be much fun without the odd little blat, stoppie or wheelie...the key being that the time and the place is everything, and if I get stung, well that is on me. I suspect many sportsbike riders are very similar and some more extreme, and that Mark is one of these. He still needs to learn the time and place bit however!

[HenryDorsetCase]

ok well i got arrested the other day for dangerous driving.
SNIP
SM

GET A LAWYER

just realised how old the inital post was..... duh. my bad

but I think in the circumstances its still good advice.

[Mole_C]

Good luck with it dude. Sad to see someone getting done for trying to help.

My mate called the cops when he got assaulted by a bouncer and ended up in jail 4 the night. That made a good story :niceone:

What part of it did they consider dangerous?

[Timaa]

4th June 2007, 19:07
MidnightMike
After he's got his bike back, Id say a month at the max. ( in regards to losing licence.)
lol
no offence mark, good luck in the court or wat ever happens, sounds like a lot of people have got it in for you. lol.
cheer up.
i thought the world ended once too.
it was fine three days later once i knew what was happening and had a plan.
lol.
anyway. maybe its time to just relax your riding into something a little less extreme at least around town? lol
good luck bro.
Tim

[westie]

Just a suggestion

If you are trying to say you were not driving dangerousley or not guilty......
Then dont you think that the pictures of you doing mad stoppies, on public roads, on your kb profile are a little bit of a contradiction??????????

I Guess there are a few people trying to tell you to drive safer on the roads?
How many times now?

But bro I hope you get it all sorted and can USE this as the big learning experience it could be.

How much do you think they could sell your bike for. Dont worry If i get it at auction I'll put 50% on it and sell it back to you. lol:lol:

[Mole_C]

I wasn't gonna do anything better with my time anyway :Pokey:

Cmon mark, think like a politician. Sling lotsa mud and discredit the witnesses. Then turn the blame onto him :niceone:

[skidMark]

Just a suggestion

If you are trying to say you were not driving dangerousley or not guilty......
Then dont you think that the pictures of you doing mad stoppies, on public roads, on your kb profile are a little bit of a contradiction??????????

I Guess there are a few people trying to tell you to drive safer on the roads?
How many times now?

But bro I hope you get it all sorted and can USE this as the big learning experience it could be.

How much do you think they could sell your bike for. Dont worry If i get it at auction I'll put 50% on it and sell it back to you. lol:lol:

stoppies were in a closed off carpark....

[ZeroIndex]

stoppies were in a closed off carpark....
I think you mean private carpark... if it was closed off, that Toyota Prius wouldn't have been there...

Private carpark defines a business carpark that is not part of the public road system... closed off defines a carpark that the entry/exit has been locked off so no traffic can either exit or enter the property without permission (normally written), and/or a key to a gate... which one was it Mark?

[skidMark]

I think you mean private carpark... if it was closed off, that Toyota Prius wouldn't have been there...

Private carpark defines a business carpark that is not part of the public road system... closed off defines a carpark that the entry/exit has been locked off so no traffic can either exit or enter the property without permission (normally written), and/or a key to a gate... which one was it Mark?

private carpark the prius belonged to my um...photographer?

[Squiggles]

young and far more extreme than i ever will be, but a good guy you seemed to be when we met (thanks again for the header pipes for hanne's bike btw, have cleaned them up good *bling*) as far as your conviction, im with mcjim, life aint always fair... reflect and learn, oh, and keep ya chin up.

[skidMark]

young and far more extreme than i ever will be, but a good guy you seemed to be when we met (thanks again for the header pipes for hanne's bike btw, have cleaned them up good *bling*) as far as your conviction, im with mcjim, life aint always fair... reflect and learn, oh, and keep ya chin up.

cheers bud, oh and no worries for the headers, spose karma will come help me out one day...just hasnt caught up to me yet:P

[Joni]

Right I have just spent an hour of my time moving rubbish from this thread to PD.

I dont care if you agree or disagree with someone on KB, the site rules are pretty clear on abuse, its not on.

2 mods asked for people to stop abusing last night, you guys just carried on... so unfortunately I have issued a few infractions today.

Keep this thread clean please! If you think Mark is an arse (or anyone else for that matter), take it off the site please.

If you need a reminder of the site rules, please go to site stuff and read them.

[Animal]

isn't it good looking at the end of this thread and there is 22 of us watching, reading and god knows what else we doing or thinking in regards to SM...

Yeah, funny that! Mark might be a hopeless idiot, but he's bloody great entertainment value. I don't think I've ever come across anyone whose life is such an ongoing saga of drama and distress. His actions, and the endless succession of bizarre event's in the boy's life both mystify and amuse me no end. He's the best bad example I can think of, and a shining example of what never to aspire to. :laugh:

[TLMAN]

apparently being my first conviction i can apply for a "diversion" but somebody else reckoned you had to be under 18 to get it?

anybody able to enlighten?


I dont think you can take diversion on a traffic offence, or at least not with a term of imprisonment as a penalty.

[Deano]

ok well i got arrested the other day for dangerous driving.


You were formally arrested ? Was it pretty serious or did you give them some lip ?

[avgas]

Guy that hit me got charged with dangerous driving causing harm.
Do the courts still have wet bus tickets?
Cos all he got was
4 months license disqualification,
$400 fine.
And he didnt have his vehicle impounded.

[avgas]

Oh well, if it was just a build up of demerits then it wasn't your fault was it? It was the fault of the naughty rossers for catching you and writing you up! You poor thing! GROW UP! Chairs. :nono:
Harden up - we aint all saints.

[fireball]

well there was no cop
and i could see if the guy drives like this hes going to cause a massive accident...his occupation was a professional body builder....maybe hes on sterpoids or testosterone fuck i dunno

it was a silly thingt to do and i regret it.

just think about that point you have raised mark.....

im sure we often think the same thing about you, some great people have died for lesser things, just count your lucky stars that you are alive and well and pull your head in, as next time i see you on a bike and you are riding in a manner in which i deem is unsafe and will cause a massive accident
guess who will be showing up..... :Police:

at least you get a second chance, some of the best guys i have known didnt.



RIP James 21/7/86 - 31/8/05

[Coldrider]

I don't know you, but you have reached a crossroad in life, and you know that, only you can decide which way you are going to go, choose wisely.
There is still some positives to take out of this.
We've all done stupid things in the past and we've not been caught, that we should not be righteous about.
It is only a big deal now, front up to the court, deal with it and get on.:yes:

[Renegade]

Well im gonna say it, i think you have a reasonable defence, but your going to need a decent lawyer.

You wont get off the charge but you could get it reduced to say reckless driving...maybe.

the witnesses that had it in for you could be discredited due to them knowing you, the driver of the other car? what happened to him? he will have to get up in court and say that he passed all that traffic to and cut you off prior to.

that other driver is going to try and get you to repair his car, you need to prove that you couldnt have done the damage hes claiming.

you need to hop down to the police station and get your bike back out, if what you say is true they cant impound your bike like patrick said and they will have to foot the bill and release...sort it out now. :argh:

Get off your hands and start doing something to help yourself, theres been some good advice on here in amoungst the free shots at you, ive never met you but from what people say you had it coming but your a nice guy, so help yourself this time. ;)

[marty]

dangerous and reckless are found in the same section of the LT Act, and therefore carry the same sentence. a reduction to careless would be his only hope.

as Dangerous and Reckless carry a minimum sentence upon conviction of 6 months disqualification, there is no diversion.

i doubt whether he could get it reduced to careless and then diverted (possible but not common). the biggest issue here is the manner of driving for no good reason other than a blood rush. if mark wants to do police work, then he should join the police.

[inlinefour]

You better hope and pray no police officer has linked your skidMark profile to your number plate, they'll see all your videos of yourself doing illegal stuff, they'll read all about you boasting of your speeding and the other illegal stuff you do.
They'll come down extra-hard, crush the bike, massive fines, community service, oh boy you made a big mistake bragging about all that stuff and posting that incriminating evidence.
Hope and pray...:innocent:

The problem I see is that Mark has even admitted in this instance that he was breaking the law, yet he feels justified in doing so because of his (bullshit) excuse? Sounds like Mark was trying to be a vigilantie(sp) and cannot/willnot see the reality of his situation. I'd say if what is posted above comes into play, not only will Mark have his bike sold, the possibility of no licience for along time (or no licience ever again) and alot longer than the original 6 months quoted by Mark. I think Mark is at risk of some inmate marrying his arse... :hug: :clap:


i see myself as not guilty as i was just trying to help and i wasnt fanging it to catch him was only in 2nd gear....

but i mean in reality what can i do when i have witnesses on his side that have grudges against me....

You keep believing that Mark and not take responsibility for your (stupid) actions and any judge will just come down even harder on you boy...

Edit: I see that there is a mention of others giving Mark a bit of (unnessary?) stick. I think if you look far back enough that you will find that the majority of those dishing some out are in fact the ones who used to try to help Mark and offer him advice. However for whatever reason Mark has chosen to carry on his (not so?) merry ways. There comes a time and place when continual stuff ups and ignoring good advice will cause others to give out a bit of stick, eh...

[swbarnett]

SM, I feel for you. You're young, foolish and idealistic. I can say this because you remind me of myself in the past (quite recent past). I still find it very hard to leave things be and mind my own business. Youth will take care of itself given time, you seem to have taken a huge leap away from foolishness after this incident, don't lose your idealism but learn to temper it with realism.

I've learnt a few things from my run-ins with idiot drivers that I've chased (or that have chased me):

- Their usually bigger than me.
- Before you chase anybody be certain you can outrun them.
- Leave policing to the police. Yes, try to get their plates and a look at the driver, but not at the expense of your own safety or that of the innocents around you.
- Think about the next time you "make a mistake". Do you want someone chasing after you?
- Driving while angry is not a good idea.

I wonder, given the same situation, what would others do? Me, I think I would've honked, maybe taken the number if I saw it, and carried on my merry way forcing myself to calm down (at least that's what I'd like to think I'd do). Any other suggestions?

[Boob Johnson]

I think I would've honked, maybe taken the number if I saw it, and carried on my merry way forcing myself to calm down (at least that's what I'd like to think I'd do). Any other suggestions?That's exactly what should of happened, why on EARTH Mark tried to pass this turkey I have NO idea, what you were trying to achieve by stirring up the hornets nest ill never know Mark but yeah simply take the plate number and call it in, all you did was make yourself look as bad as if not worse than the body builder & it looks like you got the tuff end of the stick for looked like a well meaningful act. Them's the brakes kiddo.

[Patrick]

it was dangerous and nothing else....

from whati have rread prior disqualification does not apply (was just build up of demerits)

andi do not have an impound notice they ndid not give me one when they relqeased me the said they should have given you one or it should be in your bag....

but it was not.

they said i will have to ask at court.

There is no "authority" I know of where your bike could be impounded for dangerous driving. The "file copy" of the impound form will be at the cop shop and quite obtainable by the Senior Sergeant... The court has nothing to do with the impound.

You should have been given 2 copies... one for the driver and one for the owner, but hey, maybe they are in the post?? TUI.... Not being given them means very little.... the other 2 copies go to the tow provider and storage provider (usually the same tow firm).

Your prior driving history, including licence suspensions, may be taken into consideration by the judge.

People have been and still are trying to tell you to tone it all down SM... heed the good advice... too many threads on here about dead bikers SM. Don't add to the list!!!!

[Kiwifire72]

Hopefully Both SM and all of us will learn from this

[skidMark]

You were formally arrested ? Was it pretty serious or did you give them some lip ?


no lip whatsoever but they said it was tstandard to cuff me take me to the station and process me....

going to try get my bike out of impound, tried for diversion, cannot get it on a traffic offence.

[Swoop]

because i wanted to be able to identify the driver at a laterc stage if need be.
Fair enough. I can comprehend following a vehicle and obtaining their licence plate, but then overtaking that vehicle?:scratch:

Your prior driving history, including licence suspensions, may be taken into consideration by the judge.
WILL. The judge will have ALL of your file on hand (unlike a jury).

The VFR Preservation Society is happy that you have sacrificed a lesser form of bike. Whoever worked on that bike, rode it, looked at it, is immaterial to the judge. It is an "object" that will be sold to defray expenses owed to the courts - IF necessary!

Many years from now, you will look back at these times and ponder what happened...

[BIKEGAL68]

i can say right here right now that there is more to it than meets the eye for the impound .................

[BIKEGAL68]

ummmmmmmmmmmmm i can say that would not hand cuff for that either .........this is getting worse or have i read wrong or missed something

[TLMAN]

i can say right here right now that there is more to it than meets the eye for the impound .................

unnecessary exhibition of speed?

Disqulified/suspended driver?

Fines warrant?

[TLMAN]

ummmmmmmmmmmmm i can say that would not hand cuff for that either .........this is getting worse or have i read wrong or missed something

Failed the attitude test??

[Skyryder]

court arrears???? what does that mean?

Any outstanding fines. If you owe your bike could be sold for payments.

Whatever happens..........you are young and in time this will dissapear. That's about the best advice I can give. Live and learn..........as learning is a bit difficult when you are dead.


Skyryder

[skidMark]

my cureent fines are on a time to pay arrangement.

am going to try get my bike taken out of impound tommorrow.

considering it's in my name but i do not actually own it it shouldnt matter....i have only paid a deposit to my mate.

[skidMark]

i can say right here right now that there is more to it than meets the eye for the impound .................


ummmmmmmmmmmmm i can say that would not hand cuff for that either .........this is getting worse or have i read wrong or missed something


no more to the story.....

i was fully cooperative and nice i think the younger cop was possibly on a bit of a power trip.

while i was in the cop car he was passing poeple on the left lane between greenlane and market road...then went across the lanes to keep going to khyber pass....

so he wasnt obeying either.

[Chrislost]

Any outstanding fines. If you owe your bike could be sold for payments.

Whatever happens..........you are young and in time this will dissapear. That's about the best advice I can give. Live and learn..........as learning is a bit difficult when you are dead.


Skyryder

those fines guna rape you up the ass boy.
untill you move country or somthing.


and LOL at the powertrip comment. you are always right mark,

[Zapf]

Mark,
YOU NEED to LISTERN to advice. Get that bike registered on PPSR. Or both you and the seller may loose it.

www.ppsr.govt.nz

Zapf

[skidMark]

Mark,
YOU NEED to LISTERN to advice. Get that bike registered on PPSR. Or both you and the seller may loose it.

www.ppsr.govt.nz (http://www.ppsr.govt.nz)

Zapf

it says i must pay money ive got it sorted i guess, this is all complete and utter bullshit, try and help out, and get fucked over.

[Rhino]

Hi Mark,

I think that we have only met once at a KB event (The unveiling of the cross for Bruce and Daryl) but after reading this thread (along with 39 years continuous riding) I would suggest that you take the advice that has been offered here and "bite the bullet" when in court.

I'm sure that you started to chase the cage with the best of intentions, but your best bet would have been to get the rego and ring it throgh to the cops.

I lost my license when aged 16 for collecting a guy on a pushy, so I know what it's like to walk/catch public transport. The time will pass, but the big thing here is to learn from this experience.

Next time, take a deep breath and count to 10 before chasing the dumb cager.

All the best.

[Boob Johnson]

OMG!!! You don't even own the bike??? This just goes from bad to worse :rolleyes:

[hurricane_r]

welcome to the club, most definatly 6 months. if ur lucky 3 months,

may even be a 3 monther with donation.....

jail is the maximum for anycharge basicaly but unless u tell the judge to go fu*k themselfs you aint guna go near jail.,

[Richard Mc F]

i laugh so hard cheap wine blow out my nose.........sloooow learner huh........well if natural selection is not working i suppose we must rely on the creaky old justice system


pffft 'wasnt me ! nobody saw me do it ! you can't prove anything !

[EJK]

Btw Mark, are you on full license?
Is he on full?

[Mole_C]

Well mark i was on your side at the start of this but after all your replies i now side with all the others. You are really a dumb bastard. People have asked you questions and given you advice to try help you get off this yet you ignored all these and only replied to the personal attacks.

Do you actually want to get out of this mess or are you just a girl craving attention? :girlfight:

[Katman]

The title you've given yourself under your user name shows what a joke you're making of this whole issue Mark. Personally, I hope they throw the book at you.

[ManDownUnder]

Hi Mark,

I think that we have only met once at a KB event (The unveiling of the cross for Bruce and Daryl) but after reading this thread (along with 39 years continuous riding) I would suggest that you take the advice that has been offered here and "bite the bullet" when in court.

I'm sure that you started to chase the cage with the best of intentions, but your best bet would have been to get the rego and ring it throgh to the cops.

I lost my license when aged 16 for collecting a guy on a pushy, so I know what it's like to walk/catch public transport. The time will pass, but the big thing here is to learn from this experience.

Next time, take a deep breath and count to 10 before chasing the dumb cager.

All the best.

+1............. hate to say it man but this is your own doing Mark. There's only so much help others can offer... now it's time to stand and be counted.

Don't lose it in court, and let the judge know if there are any medical conditions that predispose you to this behaviour. I'm not convinced it will help, but it will at least explain why you did what you did...

[Disco Dan]

+1............. hate to say it man but this is your own doing Mark. There's only so much help others can offer... now it's time to stand and be counted.

Don't lose it in court, and let the judge know if there are any medical conditions that predispose you to this behaviour. I'm not convinced it will help, but it will at least explain why you did what you did...

That may not be such a good idea.... yes the judge may let him off lighter.. but in my experience he could be required to be assessed and given 6-12 months admission into a community mental health facility.. to 'sort him out'. Odessy house for example requires new clients to be strip searched upon entry and is a completly drug and alcohol free zone... not even cigarettes or coffee is allowed. But there are other organisations that would better cater for him and are not strict in this area (especially as drugs are not involved).

Some may think this would be a good thing.. but I see this on a daily basis at my job. In Marks case, this could be a very very scary thing and have long term, far reaching effects on his mental health.

Mark- if you want some more advice in this area you know how to contact me.

[LilSel]

That may not be such a good idea.... yes the judge may let him off lighter.. but in my experience he could be required to be assessed and given 6-12 months admission into a community mental health facility.. to 'sort him out'. Odessy house for example requires new clients to be strip searched upon entry and is a completly drug and alcohol free zone... not even cigarettes or coffee is allowed. But there are other organisations that would better cater for him and are not strict in this area (especially as drugs are not involved).

Some may think this would be a good thing.. but I see this on a daily basis at my job. In Marks case, this could be a very very scary thing and have long term, far reaching effects on his mental health.

Mark- if you want some more advice in this area you know how to contact me.

I think what MDU ment by that was ADHD??

[Tank]

you will see me riding whichever bike i like...

Give this man a Tui.

You will be riding whichever bike you like - after you:
** Pay your fines for dangerous driving
** Pay the outstanding money you owe on the bike you just had confiscated / sold on behalf
** Start getting some income
** Save a deposit (not going to be easy with all the $$$ for bus fares)

Then you have the little problem of being able to afford insurance on anything that doesnt have two pedals.

The upshot is something like dangerous driving impacts you for a long, long time after the initial fine is paid.

Its a hard lesson, and obviously your not getting much sympathy on here - but neither should you expect it. Just be happy that your alive !!!

Sit back, think about this logically about the problem. Listen to the good advise on this thread - ignore the bad (being anyone who disagrees with me). Don't go for the insanity approach, don't go for the smart ass approach. Being humble and showing the judge that you have well and truly learnt your lesson is your best chance of getting a more lenient outcome - but it still aint going to be cheap.

I'd also pray that the judge isnt cut off by a biker on the way to court in the morning. Else you may be made an example of (and thats gonna gurt :buggerd:)

[skidMark]

Btw Mark, are you on full license?
Is he on full?


learners motorcycle, car restricted.

[Tank]

learners motorcycle, car restricted.

Jesus wept!

[Ixion]

Whoa. Enough already.

I reckon some people around here need to be ashamed of themselves.

A young guy (who's undoubtedly a young idiot, but no more so than any of us at that age, and a biker withal) who's fallen foul of the Law, comes here to ask for some sympathy and advice.

How did that turn into a feeding frenzy of gloating, schadenfreude and ill will.

So far you'd have him consigned to gaol, the looney bin and raped (and are those who are so in favour of homosexual rape equally in favour of the heterosexual variety, I wonder) .What utter nonsense. And shameful nonsense. I know not whether to deem those putting forward this nonsense to be fools, because they believe what they say; or knaves because they do not.

Mark's an idiot, but I don't think he's a liar. And there's enough that's doubtful about the police behaviour (impounding the bike for a start : no legislative authority for that on a dangerous driving charge) for me to give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

And even if it is entirely his own folly that has brought him to this, he is still a biker and a brother. If you can't help, with support or SENSIBLE advice, then shut up. What ever became of the good old rule about not kicking a man when he's down ?

I reckon a lot of folk seem to have forgotten what the Biker Code says. Or never knew it I've attached a copy for those who need a refresher. He who runes may rede.

[barty5]

this has been a most interesting read i was young once and did silly thing like this once or twice (passed 11 and a b train in one go just because i could) then sat back and thought about how f---kin dumb it was and sold the bike only had it for 9 months traded back in on a trail bike figured it to be safer you can be as silly as you want within reason and theres a lot less chance your going to hurt any but your self and you wont loose your licence either.
this guy needs to sit back and think about how long he wants to be around.
May be some anger management classes might be a good call if you get wound up that quickly.

[EJK]

Hey Mark, personally I don't know you but I think I've seen you on AWMNR a month ago.
I remember you doing stoppies, high engine idle, burnout etc etc till Kitty stole your keys.

When she took your keys, did you see her face? Well I did. she was furious as hell, while you were just smiling as if meant a joke from the back... come on man...


Whah... reading 10 pages of this thread took me about an hour! and it really tells me that you are on a.... bad week.
Many people here are saying that you are an A-hole, but I can't say the same... cause I barely know you. That doesn't mean I too think that you are an A-hole lol.

All I can tell you is, you are now having a downfall of your motorcycling life. That doesn't mean it's over. Hell... even the famous Henry Ford was bankrupt 5 times before his Model T rolled out from the assembly line.

Who knows man? From this, you might learn ALOT (I mean ALOT) and become a Mentor of the Mentor lol who knows?

But what I like about you is, I think you really love motorcycling.
Remember when I asked you "What rpm were you shifting gears?"
Then you replied with a huge grin on your face like this -> :D

Well, back to the subject: being busted from what you love, it truely broke your heart, didn't it? lol yeah If I were you, I would have commited suicide jks (it's not a suggestion bro! lol)

chin up, life ain't over yet. With this experience, you surely will learn alot of things, and one day who knows? You might ride for 30-40 years which coulda been 3 to 4 years.

One day I will ride with you. We can go to Coromandel or even tour around the Aotearoa New Zealand with your Mulitstrada and my ST1050 Sprint :)

Who knows?
I say again: It's not over...

[ynot slow]

For what it's worth years ago I was caught speeding,got breath tested and was under,cop was being smart prior to me blowing in the bag,wof expired (xmas day) so he thought not a great xmas for me,this was in november.I kept my mouth shut and got a speeding ticket only.
Brother bought my car as I was getting hitched,he had a few beers one saturday after soccer,took a mate home and did a handbreak stop in middle of deserted road,except a cop driving along a road saw the car lights making circle motion as they do turned into the street and pulled him over,brother blew negative as well,cops reply was no worries will get you for careless use.
Both our parents views were you stupid idiots,cops only doing the job,and for fucks sake wake up,took me another 23yrs before it was dic for me,not proud of it but I co-operated with the cops(1028mcg),they dropped my car at home instead of impounding it and dropped me home too,in court listening to several other guys with traffic charges was scary,one guy with less mcg than me got fined $200 and extra 3 months over my fine because the cops said he was a prick to deal with,mind you when the judge asked the officer why I was driving and was told I was too pissed to walk,he smiled almost laughed,then decided to take license away for 6 mths and gave me a good fine.
Yes learnt my lesson at about 38yrs old at time,moral is learn from mistakes,accept the help given to you.

[Str8 Jacket]

Mark, if there is something that you are not telling us here but know that you are guilty for doing it then I reckon you may be better off in the long run by just being honest. Either way you need to bite the bullet, go to court and represent yourself as best you can. You've been an idiot. Most of us have and you seem like you're alot like me..... Until something major happens you wont learn. You say that this has been stressful, imagine when you fuck up MAJORLY next time. Life's gonna be alot worse than it is now, if you survive at all.

I really hope that things work out for you in the end mate.....

[Zapf]

Whoa. Enough already.

I reckon some people around here need to be ashamed of themselves.

A young guy (who's undoubtedly a young idiot, but no more so than any of us at that age, and a biker withal) who's fallen foul of the Law, comes here to ask for some sympathy and advice.

How did that turn into a feeding frenzy of gloating, schadenfreude and ill will.


WELL SAID !!!

[jonbuoy]

i think, brett, most here have gone past the offer good advice and hold off the pisstaking stage. seems almost every week mark fucks up somewhere, and then comes and cries foul. in this case, it would appear he fucked up trying to do the right thing, which sucks, but there must be a reason why ALL witnesses wish him ill?

mom... how young is young? ive been riding since i was about 20... started learning at 18 [buggered off overseas and continued the education from the pillion seat] im now 22, and have travelled as far north as paeroa, and as far south as invercargill. some 20,000k if not more.
in those k's, ive been hit once, which was not my fault [she ran a stop sign] and have gone off the road once, which was a combo of my fault, and the guy in front of me's fault for overtaking on a corner.
i learned from both. the first: approach intersections with caution, and the second: dont ride with that guy!
somehow ive managed to go all that distance without a single ticket or raised brow from a cop. it aint hard.

You don't have the same levels of testosterone pumping through your system.. That sucks Mark, I got stitched up when I was a teen driver over an accident and an old fart witness. The judge won't look kindly on you, put your best threads on and look innocent.

[Str8 Jacket]

You don't have the same levels of testosterone pumping through your system..

I was bad enough without the testosterone!

[Katman]

he is still a biker and a brother.

You have got to be fucking joking. Do you really believe that no matter how big a twat someone is, if they ride a bike we have to treat them like a brother? Like someone said earlier - jesus fucking wept!

[Mom]

Whoa. Enough already.

I reckon some people around here need to be ashamed of themselves.

A young guy (who's undoubtedly a young idiot, but no more so than any of us at that age, and a biker withal) who's fallen foul of the Law, comes here to ask for some sympathy and advice.

How did that turn into a feeding frenzy of gloating, schadenfreude and ill will.

So far you'd have him consigned to gaol, the looney bin and raped (and are those who are so in favour of homosexual rape equally in favour of the heterosexual variety, I wonder) .What utter nonsense. And shameful nonsense. I know not whether to deem those putting forward this nonsense to be fools, because they believe what they say; or knaves because they do not.

Mark's an idiot, but I don't think he's a liar. And there's enough that's doubtful about the police behaviour (impounding the bike for a start : no legislative authority for that on a dangerous driving charge) for me to give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

And even if it is entirely his own folly that has brought him to this, he is still a biker and a brother. If you can't help, with support or SENSIBLE advice, then shut up. What ever became of the good old rule about not kicking a man when he's down ?

I reckon a lot of folk seem to have forgotten what the Biker Code says. Or never knew it I've attached a copy for those who need a refresher. He who runes may rede.
I cant even shorten up your quote, there is nothing i can edit to shorten it, with out taking away from what I so strongly agree with!! Mark is young, and impetuous and eager!! He has the ability to frustrate the hell out of his friends and associates. Mark is also as you so nicely stated, an idiot, he knows this as I tell him from time to time!
Thanks Ixion!

this guy needs to sit back and think about how long he wants to be around. May be some anger management classes might be a good call if you get wound up that quickly.

Thank you, and I agree with your sentiment, but SM is not an angry young man, far from it. Lets just say he gets distracted from what you and I would consider normal sometimes.


Hey Mark, personally I don't know you but....

Who knows man? From this, you might learn ALOT (I mean ALOT) and become a Mentor of the Mentor lol who knows?

But what I like about you is, I think you really love motorcycling.
Remember when I asked you "What rpm were you shifting gears?"
Then you replied with a huge grin on your face like this -> :D

chin up, life ain't over yet. With this experience, you surely will learn alot of things, and one day who knows? You might ride for 30-40 years which coulda been 3 to 4 years.
[/B]

Mentor may be stretching it a bit, but learning most definately!



You have got to be fucking joking. Do you really believe that no matter how big a twat someone is, if they ride a bike we have to treat them like a brother? Like someone said earlier - jesus fucking wept!


No sweets, I think you missed the point here. The point as I see it is one of our fellow bikers (albeit a bit of a dick at times, he even boasts/posts evidence that leaves me shaking my head) got in trouble a couple of days ago. He posted on here asking for some advice, and got a hammering. I took exception to that, still do.

[RT527]

stoppies were in a closed off carpark....
how closed off was it

Sorry but if you can gain entrance to the carpark or the general public can gan entrance whether by right or not then it is deemed a road and you can and should be charged with dangerous use...


Anyways good luck with what ever happens, as I dont know you and regard your tales as a lot of hot air and yap yap , I wont form an opinion about you solely on what you do wrong, rather I would like to form an opinion on how you deal with and move to rectify your so called headstrong antics......Im on the road 5-6 out of 7 days and put in excees of 100-120,000 Km''s in a heavy vehicle per year. There isnt a day that goes by that I dont see upward of 7 errors of judgement that could result in at least a minor accident up to at worst someone losing their Life.....

......oh and ask the Prosscecuting sgt for a copy of your statement to the officer, he has to give it to you , and submit it as evidence in court... pointing out that the other party didnt want the police invoved. but dont point fingers at people unless you can provide evidenve to back it up, deal only in your situation and mitagating factors which arose to put you in your situation.

[Mom]

You have got to be fucking joking. Do you really believe that no matter how big a twat someone is, if they ride a bike we have to treat them like a brother? Like someone said earlier - jesus fucking wept!

I guess I look at this way, if we breakdown on the side of the road, I would hope that someone would stop to see if we were ok or needed help.

By the same token mate, if we see a biker on the side of the road, we will stop and ask the question, or at least slow to get the nod and ok wave. Personally dont care who the hell you are/were/was/or whether you are a dick/immature/stupid/moronic dummy, this is part of being a biker. Have never met you so have no idea how old you are but man you must be really really young, or totally perfect and have never made a dick of yourself, or made dumb decisions that come back to bite. I certainly hope that I am wrong and when you did err your friends supported you, called you a dick and you learned, and that you were not subjected to being told you were going to be arse raped etc.

[wendigo]

God no more!!! Got to page 8 and gave up. Someone wake me up when it's over....

[inlinefour]

I guess I look at this way, if we breakdown on the side of the road, I would hope that someone would stop to see if we were ok or needed help.

By the same token mate, if we see a biker on the side of the road, we will stop and ask the question, or at least slow to get the nod and ok wave. Personally dont care who the hell you are/were/was/or whether you are a dick/immature/stupid/moronic dummy, this is part of being a biker. Have never met you so have no idea how old you are but man you must be really really young, or totally perfect and have never made a dick of yourself, or made dumb decisions that come back to bite. I certainly hope that I am wrong and when you did err your friends supported you, called you a dick and you learned, and that you were not subjected to being told you were going to be arse raped etc.

Cant speak for everyone else, but a bit of a piss take goes along way and brightens up what would have been a pretty depressing topic. The fact o the matter is that despite Mark being given good advice, he continously carrys on being a squid and riding (and driving) like a twat. To the point that he now is facing a dangerous driving charge. Now I suspect and yes I could be wrong, that if we knew the facts, we would have an unbiased opinion of whats really going on. But due to the fact that we do not and the fact that Mark has often talked a load of bollocks in the past, its hard to be able to form any opinion. However, I will leave you with this one thought. If you really think that people are wishing him to be arse raped (remember the concept of the piss take), then are you taking it all a tad too seriously? :eek:

[skidMark]

how closed off was it

Sorry but if you can gain entrance to the carpark or the general public can gan entrance whether by right or not then it is deemed a road and you can and should be charged with dangerous use...



i went in (it's a carpark for a netball courts place) with a massive bash barv across hte entrance which i asked security to close....as they wernt open anyways, i asked permission of the guard he said it was fine provided no big burnouts.

[Mom]

Cant speak for everyone else, but a bit of a piss take goes along way and brightens up what would have been a pretty depressing topic. The fact o the matter is that despite Mark being given good advice, he continously carrys on being a squid and riding (and driving) like a twat. To the point that he now is facing a dangerous driving charge. Now I suspect and yes I could be wrong, that if we knew the facts, we would have an unbiased opinion of whats really going on. But due to the fact that we do not and the fact that Mark has often talked a load of bollocks in the past, its hard to be able to form any opinion. However, I will leave you with this one thought. If you really think that people are wishing him to be arse raped (remember the concept of the piss take), then are you taking it all a tad too seriously? :eek:

Hey IL4 piss take is one thing, I am not innocent when it comes to that either. What gets me I guess is the comments that are not piss take, or if they are, then they sail pretty close to the line. I am relatively good at recognising the tounge in cheek comments on here, but it gets right on my tits when I see a barage of "piss take" comments being directed to someone like this thread has seen.

[Toaster]

my cureent fines are on a time to pay arrangement.

am going to try get my bike taken out of impound tommorrow.

considering it's in my name but i do not actually own it it shouldnt matter....i have only paid a deposit to my mate.


Hey bud, shame about the charge but hey, it is your own doing!!

Dude, do you really want to be behind the eight-ball all the time fighting to pay off debts you clearly can't afford and struggling to get a full licence (or any licence for that matter once they take it off you).

They are unlikely to release the bike to you unless you rode someone elses bike without their knowledge or authorisation. In that case it could only be released to the owner.

Maybe a time for you to break the cycle, do the disqualification, sort ya fines and get on with life mate? Better than becoming disqualified indefinitely.... which will eventually happen if you keep this shit up.

First time dangerous without injury or aggravating factors should only lead to paying penants by giving the judge a discreet cuddle out the back and maybe a fine with a loss of licence for the rest of the cold months.

[Katman]

I guess I look at this way, if we breakdown on the side of the road, I would hope that someone would stop to see if we were ok or needed help.

By the same token mate, if we see a biker on the side of the road, we will stop and ask the question, or at least slow to get the nod and ok wave. Personally dont care who the hell you are/were/was/or whether you are a dick/immature/stupid/moronic dummy, this is part of being a biker. Have never met you so have no idea how old you are but man you must be really really young, or totally perfect and have never made a dick of yourself, or made dumb decisions that come back to bite. I certainly hope that I am wrong and when you did err your friends supported you, called you a dick and you learned, and that you were not subjected to being told you were going to be arse raped etc.

Pleeease! Of course I was a fuckwit as a teenager on a bike, and I had plenty of people tell me so. The thing is, once I'd heard it often enough I started thinking maybe I should do something about it. Sometimes it's good to be told "wake up to yourself, fuckwit".

[riffer]

A lot of what Ixion says is true.

I personally don't agree with the posts that have ended up in PD but my God Mark - you have me shaking my head sometimes.

But also I remember myself at Mark's age - and I wasn't that different.

I ended up facing careless for wheelying down Oxford Terrace in Naenae and it took a lot of quick thinking to get out of that one (I did) and I didn't learn.

My ex banned me from having bikes and in hindsight it was probably for best. I would have done myself some serious damage. I am so glad I waited until my mid 30s to get back on a bike.

I hope you take your medicine Mark, get a job, save some money, and use your spare time to learn a bit. Maybe do some spannering or something, help some other bikers out with their stuff - I dunno but keep yourself busy while you're not allowed to ride - or else that bike's gonna look really tempting.

Most people do want you to learn from this. And you need to as well.

But I agree with Ixion - wishing harm on a fellow biker sucks.

[Katman]

I guess I look at this way, if we breakdown on the side of the road, I would hope that someone would stop to see if we were ok or needed help.

By the same token mate, if we see a biker on the side of the road, we will stop and ask the question, or at least slow to get the nod and ok wave. Personally dont care who the hell you are/were/was/or whether you are a dick/immature/stupid/moronic dummy, this is part of being a biker. Have never met you so have no idea how old you are but man you must be really really young, or totally perfect and have never made a dick of yourself, or made dumb decisions that come back to bite. I certainly hope that I am wrong and when you did err your friends supported you, called you a dick and you learned, and that you were not subjected to being told you were going to be arse raped etc.

Btw, a biker on the side of the road is an unknown to me and I'll therefore happily give their character the benifit of the doubt. Anyone who so publicly proclaims their stupidity doesn't qualify for the same benifit.:msn-wink:

[HTFU]

If you truly not trolling then..........From my experience Mark if the attending officer thinks you were in the wrong you will struggle to change this view in court. A chick on a bike went through my car window after pulling in front of me, she tried to get off the careless use charge with an argument based on the attending officers failings at following the correct procedures. Even though the cop had made a shit job of writing up the accident she was still charged.

Your best bet is to get the free legal advice available to you to help reduce your punishment. From reading your account I believe you personally have to understand you had broken the law regardless of the other drivers action. Justice would be that he is charged as well, as his actions were just as criminal (if what you say is the real account). I would push for him to be charged through your statement and maybe that of the bus driver or anyone else that may have witnessed his actions of overtaking in the right lane and everything else etc.

Your chasing him was indicative of your profile, a quick search of your utube vids and previous threads tells KB members plenty. Does this ring a bell.

"i do not make mistakes

i am GOD

well until i hit something

which hasn't happened

at high speed

....yet

lol"

Skidmark (Feb 2007)

and the recent vids posted 4 days ago on utube ....... who's the rider?

[scumdog]

Jesus wept!

I concur!!

And you sorry-arsed losers that moan about 'smart-arse' cops? - well I have to deal with WAAAY more smart-arsed public, - only they ain't as smart as they think - and it costs!!

[Richard Mc F]

MARK WAKE UP

a lot of bikers have been irresponsible, in their youth or otherwise........get you antics off the road while you are still able to...........be humble for lord only know it looks like you could be in it deep.

boring statement for the day, there are bold bikers, there are old bikers but fuck all old bold bikers.

i will stop now....but if if you need to talk pm me.......no holier than thou perspectives despite my pisstake previous post....it wuz the vino really.....true

[kiwifruit]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=36196&d=1151897579

[Boob Johnson]

Cant speak for everyone else, but a bit of a piss take goes along way and brightens up what would have been a pretty depressing topic. The fact o the matter is that despite Mark being given good advice, he continously carrys on being a squid and riding (and driving) like a twat. To the point that he now is facing a dangerous driving charge. Now I suspect and yes I could be wrong, that if we knew the facts, we would have an unbiased opinion of whats really going on. But due to the fact that we do not and the fact that Mark has often talked a load of bollocks in the past, its hard to be able to form any opinion. However, I will leave you with this one thought. If you really think that people are wishing him to be arse raped (remember the concept of the piss take), then are you taking it all a tad too seriously? :eek:And the most sensible post goes too.............


INLINEFOUR!!!


Too all the well wishers, do you know this boys history? There is a reason why there is an outpouring of disgust at this latest actions. I know you all mean well in what your saying but the boy has had that soft approach already, many times. Its time for a slap in the face with a wet kipper ie: tuff love.


For those that understand this concept, an E-Beer from me :drinknsin


For those that don't, I sincerely hope you ponder on the idea & my only hope is that it sinks in as it may come in handy one day.

Many many moons ago I got a "wet kipper" in the face from my dad, a lil tuff love & it worked. If I was kept wrapped in cotton wool nothing would of changed.



Pleeease! Of course I was a fuckwit as a teenager on a bike, and I had plenty of people tell me so. The thing is, once I'd heard it often enough I started thinking maybe I should do something about it. Sometimes it's good to be told "wake up to yourself, fuckwit".For once I agree with you Katman :msn-wink:


Btw, a biker on the side of the road is an unknown to me and I'll therefore happily give their character the benifit of the doubt. Anyone who so publicly proclaims their stupidity doesn't qualify for the same benifit.:msn-wink:Twice in one thread I agree with you Katman :whistle:

[barty5]

only 2 more days of this and it will be over unless there is another thread started on complaints on the hand dealt and played.

[ipod1098]

Mark, legal aid for court.Ask for community service for fines etc.Sell road bike for motocrosser and pay off ur debts.
ipod

[The Pastor]

get a lawyer mine cot me $800 bux all up.

[ZeroIndex]

Mark, legal aid for court.Ask for community service for fines etc.Sell road bike for motocrosser and pay off ur debts.
ipod

I haven't noticed many posts by you, although on the odd occasion (when I've made a fairly good post that you've obviously liked...), I've received green rep from you... Let me share some green with you too, as I couldn't agree more with your message to Mark :first:

[ipod1098]

I haven't noticed many posts by you, although on the odd occasion (when I've made a fairly good post that you've obviously liked...), I've received green rep from you... Let me share some green with you too, as I couldn't agree more with your message to Mark :first:

cheers ears right back at ya. I hope all goes well.

[skidMark]

who's the rider?


no comment lol

[barty5]

Can someone give me the link to Mark's story please. I just read his firts blurb about his dangerous driving and impound but it doesnt say what actually happened..this isnt adding up with the impound.

some where in the middle of all jargon he tells what happen forget which page as there are so many now

[skidMark]

Can someone give me the link to Mark's story please. I just read his firts blurb about his dangerous driving and impound but it doesnt say what actually happened..this isnt adding up with the impound.


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1184716&postcount=46

thats the story there

i rang up about getting my bike out of impound as it should not have been impounded, or so i'm told i left a message on the seargents phone but this has not been returned.

[jade]

Hey mark I dont know you but I think we are probably very similar,
I myself enjoy stoppies wheelies etc and have probably racked up more fines than anybody here, as well as multiple appearances in court
desperately trying to change my ways and keep it legit, Havent had a fine for 4 months - and then 2 weeks ago I was served with a letter forbidding me to drive for 3 months (demerits)
even worse was I was due to sit my restricted the following morning - I finally had everything legit - warrant rego indicators etc
pretty gutting
last time this happened (less than a year ago) I ignored it, rode everyday for 3 months and got away with it - Whilst I think I would get away with it again, I have seen the error in my ways and have decided to bite the bullet and not ride. This time round, its not worth the risk, this may be my last summer in this country for a few years and Im not gonna risk not being allowed on the road. My point is, while we see these things we do as being ok, the law is clear and if we break it we should accept that there are consequinces - I have read this thread from start to here and I am sorry for what happened - if what you say is true you should fight it to the end.
If you really feel you have a case, you need to get your facts straight and hire a lawyer, if you win - you will have to pay the lawyer - but have no record and you will still have a licence, but if you lose you will have to pay the lawyer as well as the fine.
I encourage you to have a think about this whole situation, there is only one way to avoid this - get legit. I know Im going to...

as for all these people abusing you - it is a theme I see so much here - multiple times I have explained my situation and been met with abuse
this community is so quick to flame - more so than other forums I belong to
Get off your fucking high horses and offer proper advice and if you dont have any, keep your mouth shut ?
If you have a post count of 3000 but only ride your bike on fine sundays, this means you.
this needs to change
some people in this thread are bang on the money with their posts, alot of you are just dribbling bullshit for the sake of posting and it didnt help the situation in any way except create a 13page thread to read through
sm good luck with your court date - if you feel you have a case - get a lawyer - I look forward to meeting you and riding - perhaps at a trackday (thats where Ill be these next 3 months..)
You can probably expect a 6 month disqualification and a fine between 500 and a grand..
knowing your rights may just help
a policeman not following procedures can throw a case out the window
impounding your bike and not giving you any receipt seems like shit to me, the cop breaking the law on the way to the station seems like shit to me, and cuffing you seems unnessacery
gl

[Scouse]

i rang up about getting my bike out of impound as it should not have been impounded, or so i'm told i left a message on the seargents phone but this has not been returned.So are you going to leave it at that and keep moaning on KB about how the world owes you a living or get off your slack arse and do something about it? Oh here's a novel idea why not put in a personal apearance at the Police station concerned insead of useing the phone this will generally gain you more traction with the authoritys maybe take your Dad along with you or a trusted older KB member like Ixion, hey here you go PM me with your phone number and I will go to the Police station with you. I know for sure that doing something like this is more likely to get a result.

[Patrick]

Rubbish. 99% of cops are straight up honest working New Zealanders who do care about the community and joined the job to make a difference.

Hey D50... that figure is statistically proven to be 99.99999999999% It is just that 99.9999999999% the wrongdoers don't like the truth...


considering it's in my name but i do not actually own it it shouldnt matter....i have only paid a deposit to my mate.

Nice try... it is yours...!!


I concur!!

And you sorry-arsed losers that moan about 'smart-arse' cops? - well I have to deal with WAAAY more smart-arsed public, - only they ain't as smart as they think - and it costs!!

Now aint that the truth!!!!!


...i rang up about getting my bike out of impound as it should not have been impounded, or so i'm told i left a message on the seargents phone but this has not been returned.

Huh??? Don't believe me????? Ring back and ask the Senior Sergeant to sort it then....


, ...a policeman not following procedures can throw a case out the window..impounding your bike and not giving you any receipt seems like shit to me, the cop breaking the law on the way to the station seems like shit to me, and cuffing you seems unnessacery
gl

And often those "procedures" have absolutely nothing to do with the facts on why you were caught... Not being given the two copies of the form is not a biggie, the other copy will be on the Prosecution File. The cop breaking the law... hmmm... blame shift... good one... Handcuffing prevents any assault, jumping out of the car, whatever... this way we know you are under control and will have trouble reaching for any weapon that you might have hidden on ya. The number of times I have found screwdrivers, knives and even a loaded gun hidden in the back of a patrol car because some lazy cop didn't search a "detained person" shits me...!!!


So are you going to leave it at that and keep moaning on KB about how the world owes you a living or get off your slack arse and do something about it? Oh here's a novel idea why not put in a personal apearance at the Police station concerned insead of useing the phone this will generally gain you more traction with the authoritys maybe take your Dad along with you or a trusted older KB member like Ixion, hey here you go PM me with your phone number and I will go to the Police station with you. I know for sure that doing something like this is more likely to get a result.

Good call... point out that the Sgt didn't return your call as asked, "so here I am to sort this, please..."

[Toaster]

Keep in mind police work shifts and the guy may be on leave. Give them time to return calls. They dont work Mon-Fri like most and are often busy or out attending jobs.

[jade]

And often those "procedures" have absolutely nothing to do with the facts on why you were caught... Not being given the two copies of the form is not a biggie, the other copy will be on the Prosecution File. The cop breaking the law... hmmm... blame shift... good one... Handcuffing prevents any assault, jumping out of the car, whatever...

Pat I didnt mean to imply that those things I thought were shitty might get him off, I dont know the law (tho a few family members are cops)
I just thought they were shitty:mellow:
no biggie

[Mom]

Let me share some green with you too

greaser lol.......p/t



I encourage you to have a think about this whole situation, there is only one way to avoid this - get legit. I know Im going to...


Never a truer word spoken!


as for all these people abusing you - it is a theme I see so much here - multiple times I have explained my situation and been met with abuse this community is so quick to flame - more so than other forums I belong to. Get off your fucking high horses and offer proper advice and if you dont have any, keep your mouth shut ?


Now there is a novel idea for sure :yes:


why not put in a personal apearance at the Police station concerned... maybe take your Dad along with you or a trusted older KB member like Ixion, hey here you go PM me with your phone number and I will go to the Police station with you. I know for sure that doing something like this is more likely to get a result.

I reckon you would cut to the chase fairly quickly mate!

[Mom]

:Offtopic: Just a quick post to let the serial red repper and sender of PM's know that he is now on my ignore list, so mate give it up eh, can't see your rep, anything you post or any PM's you send :whocares:

[Patrick]

And often those "procedures" have absolutely nothing to do with the facts on why you were caught... Not being given the two copies of the form is not a biggie, the other copy will be on the Prosecution File. The cop breaking the law... hmmm... blame shift... good one... Handcuffing prevents any assault, jumping out of the car, whatever...

Pat I didnt mean to imply that those things I thought were shitty might get him off, I dont know the law (tho a few family members are cops)
I just thought they were shitty:mellow:
no biggie

No problems... just got in to point out the fairly obvious before it turned into yet another anti cop thread...:innocent:

[marty]

Keep in mind police work shifts and the guy may be on leave. Give them time to return calls. They dont work Mon-Fri like most and are often busy or out attending jobs.

unfortunately mark has no concept of what people do at work, so he may have some difficulty realising this......

[slickaz]

Mark.im new here dude and have read each page.
im also new to biking
1. i hope i never get addicted to riding like your apparent way of riding, to then get into a situation like this.
2. i feel sorry that you're getting this kind of treatment here from fellow bikers, but after reading thier side, it seems you do this alot.
3. Touchwood ive been Blessed with never having to deal with cops in my driving life. but i did date a police officer, she had something to say about this (we are still friends, so i spoke to her).
you probably will not go to jail for this, but you will have a whole heap of fines to pay. but she says if it happens again you're probably pretty much throwing your life away. oh she also said you need to make a good guilty plea at the court along with the show that youve learnt a lesson. dont act like you were in the right taking the law into your hands.
also dont beg to have your bike back, because thatll make the judge think you're going to hop on it straight outside the court.lol.
Also mentioned is using the service of the appointed lawyer, they have apparantly saved many a crim in court that the police have worked hard to catch and get proof against.
PS: about getting your bike back, she said try walking into thye police station and pleading for it, but ensure you dont ride it out of the place as thatll only add to the fury the cops already have 'against' you. get a friend to ride it.

But as a 25 year old telling you this..avoid these situations again, you are not Street Hawk..
There seems already alot of fury against you on here, you dont want to get on the bad side of the biggest baddest most powerful gang in the country (the cops)

[slickaz]

PS: i think iv seen you hoonin on the south western motorway a couple of months back, you were doing a wheelie coming of the on ramp from onehunga.im not sure but the bike looked like yours in the pic.. amazing as it was, i was thinkin that guy must be a complete idiot coz he came off the ramp lights whizzing past and then lifted his front wheels off the ground riding at about 80 to 100 easy because you went past me on one wheel between lanes filled with cars and i was stuck in traffic doing 75ish...well if it was you..great skill but bad bad timing.

[skidMark]

nah not me buddy, havn't had the bike that long..and it's only a 250 LOL

[slickaz]

k then..mabad..again im doing the same thing i was preaching against i guess..apologies

[Sniper]

No offence dude, but I remember you posting this


ive had alot of time to reflect though, and in the end have realised loosing my license was the best thing that couldve happened to me, i lost it before i lost my life, this time to look back has made me take a really hard look at my riding, yes i'm still going to have fun on the open road etc, but around 50kph zones is no place for it.

Make sure you don't dig yourself a hole by saying too much in court

[sefer]

Ok well I can't be bothered reading all the pages so if someone has already said it move along..

But, from my own experience with a dangerous driving charge when I was about 18 (and general court experience) here's a couple of things I had wished I'd known then..

1) You can defend the charge if you think it's not justified. Don't let anyone but a good lawyer convince you otherwise.

2) Get to the court early if you intend to use the duty lawyer, really early, there will be 30+ other people doing the same thing.

3) The duty lawyer will work in your best interest, and most of the time are actually really good lawyers (despite what many may think), BUT as mentioned they will be dealing with a huge number of people, so they won't have a great deal of time for you, so in my opinion your better off to either have your own lawyer well in advance of the day (so they can fully understand your case), or use the duty lawyer to get you another court date if it's getting too close and organize another lawyer after that.

If you take the second option just be aware that it's the judge who decides if you get another date or not, in my experience they usually will grant it, just make sure you actually get a lawyer, it looks really bad if you show up without one the second time (often used as a ploy to stay out of jail for as long as possible).

Try legal aid for a lawyer if you can, if not cough up the cash, I've found it worth it for the couple of times I've been up. look at it this way, the duty lawyer will advise you on the best action according to the case, your own lawyer will attempt to get you off anyway they can (or attempt lower the fine/whatever if your screwed).

Last word of advice, when talking to the lawyer, whoever you go with, be honest with them, but keep it relevant.

[Katman]

Stumbled upon this gem, posted 2 July 2006:msn-wink:

"Changing my dangerous ways
riding round early this afternoon riding along like a moron again lane splitting in 50 zones and all that stupid crap speeding and so on go round this car and they gave me evils....oh watever look at something else... i think to myself get up to some lights... stopped at the lights....nailed it redlining every gear thinking i am god. flicking it through corners at just plain stupid speeds.

then i dunno wtf it was but i just looked behind had miles behind me thought time to change my ways...i have no idea what bought about this change.....stomped on the anchors down to just hovering on 50 kph... and rode round 50 kph zones at 50 the whole day yes if traffic was doing 55 or so i hovered there but not the usual 90-110+ lane splitting speeds.....

i am sure this is a resolve to myself i need to and am going to keep before i either loose my license or kill myself or somebody else because of my dangerous ways....

thank you to all the people that had told me to just chill and stop playing ghostrider...

i'm sure i will be much better off for it....

and ive had my kicks of being a retard on the roads.... it's time to grow up be an adult and respect that the roads are for others too....

so i am resolving to ride sensibly from now on mainly not speeding but also stopping the weaving in and out of lanes riding down the road standing on my seat....riding down the road with both feet slung out to the same side of the bike doing the can can......

time to grow up....and i did...all afternoon...

and i plan to keep doing this....somethings triggered me

i was always so angry with myself that i rode the way i did and had no self control or patience on the roads...

now ive woken up and plan to keep it that way...

i know your probably all going to poke shit at me about this thread go ahead i know what ive been doing up until now was stupid and down right dangerous ....

Cheers: Mark"

[Sniper]

Katman. The day Mark means something like that, hell freezes over.

Mark seems like a good kid, but sometimes engages rthe vocal chords before the grey matter

[Sanx]

Can someone give me the link to Mark's story please. I just read his firts blurb about his dangerous driving and impound but it doesnt say what actually happened..this isnt adding up with the impound.

I didn't think it added up either ... sure, there are various reasons for impound, but if as SkidMark says, he was charged only with dangerous driving, then there's no justification for it. The lack of paperwork is no biggie, but the least skidMark should be doing is fronting it at the station and politley but firmly requiring it gets sorted then and there.

So, SkidMark - you've had offers from zrxer to help you out at the station. I'll also offer to front up with you too. If you want to take me up on it, drop me a PM.

[surfchick]

hi mark,
i been reading ya threads above - noticed agression in how describe your ride style and agro in how you deal with other vehicles - i'm thinking on how lethal agression is in vehcles when what you actually need is steely ice-cold control and discipline, to assess every road surface, every road user and make calculated positioning choices. BUT you choose to be pretty flippant with ya bike by your own account so I'm thinking ya must have some aggression, some anger AND enjoy adrenalin SO how about considering some options for sport that use fearlessness - like surfing - where in a way agression and a kind of wreckless streak makes you better at it but there's not the same risk to other people... may-be surfing's not for you...but i thought it might be good to redoploy the"psycho" within so it costs you less dough :)

[Renegade]

Has he been to court yet???? do we have an update??

[fireball]

Has he been to court yet???? do we have an update??

today was court day wasnt it?

[LilSel]

**********Watch this space??********
:jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry:

[Max Preload]

Can someone give me the link to Mark's story please. I just read his firts blurb about his dangerous driving and impound but it doesnt say what actually happened..this isnt adding up with the impound.


approaching a set of traffic lights....

Waaaaaaaaay back on page 3...

[ZeroIndex]

Where is the update?

[barty5]

may be they locked him up or took his computor as well:lol:

[Boob Johnson]

**********Watch this space??********
:jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry:

:corn:




........

[kro]

Good reputation is worth gold, however, the converse also applies.

No way I can say this next bit, without sounding like a total grandad, but so many of the younger people act without considering the possible outcomes. Whether you think impounding, and seizure , is going to happen, the possibility is always there, and you cannot ignore it. That should have been on your mind whilst piling up these "minor" infractions.

Sorry mate, I have little or any sympathy for your situation, but because I'm not complete jerk, I will say that I hope it turns out ok for you, and that a lesson is taken on board.

[Toaster]

unfortunately mark has no concept of what people do at work, so he may have some difficulty realising this......

Hehe! Very good point!

[1vanvan1]

ooooooooh! Where is marks court case story!

Maybe hes locked up!

[sunhuntin]

ooooooooh! Where is marks court case story!

Maybe hes locked up!

if he is, its a good thing you took the job offered, otherwise theyd be trying to find someone to cover right now!

[westie]

I found a way to make mark ride more carefully. If only for a while it was worth it in my opinion.

Tried to "mentor" by riding really conservatively. Has this ever worked on mark?

Scared the crap out of him while riding. After which he did not exceed 50km/ph the rest of the ride. (unfortunately this was before the licence loosage)
I'm not proud of it but I really want to see him advance his safe riding techniques.

[justsomeguy]

Hey Mark,

Hope it works out bud.

I feel there's more to this, but whatever happened can't be changed, so better look at some solutions.

Mate I hope you've taken up ZRXER's offer, he's a good lad to have by you at such times.

Hope you also sourced the lawyer.

Oh and save it for the track please.

Kindest regards,
JSG

[skidMark]

return to court on th 24th of this month...

charges may be being dropped provided i pay reperations (sp?) for repairs on the other guys car.

then again it may not be dropped

all up in the air at the moment.

oh and got the bill from impound today...you my collect your bike on the 25th.....

$352.50

come again! ...bastards lol

[justsomeguy]

return to court on th 24th of this month...

charges may be being dropped provided i pay reperations (sp?) for repairs on the other guys car.

then again it may not be dropped

all up in the air at the moment.

oh and got the bill from impound today...you my collect your bike on the 25th.....

$352.50

come again! ...bastards lol

So did you take up ZRXER or Sanx's offer or ..... I'll wait for your reply.

[Max Preload]

return to court on th 24th of this month...

charges may be being dropped provided i pay reperations (sp?) for repairs on the other guys car.

then again it may not be dropped

all up in the air at the moment.

oh and got the bill from impound today...you my collect your bike on the 25th.....

$352.50

come again! ...bastards lol

I think you're not giving the full story. It's already been said by those who would know that the impounding of your bike should not have happened with that charge.

Have you taken up any of the offers of help with regard the impounding?

[skidMark]

So did you take up ZRXER or Sanx's offer or ..... I'll wait for your reply.


yes i have been pming sanx...

[westie]

Keep it up mark it sounds like you are getting somewhere:niceone:

[Renegade]

yeah man ifs it was an unfair impound the cops will pay the bill, get it sorted will ya!

[Patrick]

oh and got the bill from impound today...you my collect your bike on the 25th.....

$352.50

come again! ...bastards lol


I think you're not giving the full story. It's already been said by those who would know that the impounding of your bike should not have happened with that charge.

Have you taken up any of the offers of help with regard the impounding?

I too think there is more to this story, Grasshopper...

They CAN NOT seize/impound your bike for dangerous driving....

If you have "forgotten" what you have been charged with, let me know your real handle and I can do a check for ya....

[ZeroIndex]

I too think there is more to this story, Grasshopper...

They CAN NOT seize/impound your bike for dangerous driving....

If you have "forgotten" what you have been charged with, let me know your real handle and I can do a check for ya....
I can think of a simple explanation for impounding the bike: Because he got handcuffed and taken off in the squad car, the impound people thought it would be really funny if they impound it while Mark couldn't stop them...

[skidMark]

I can think of a simple explanation for impounding the bike: Because he got handcuffed and taken off in the squad car, the impound people thought it would be really funny if they impound it while Mark couldn't stop them...


nope cop radioed for a towie with me standing there and i watched as they put my bike on the truck...while in cuffs...before they took me off to central...

issue is getting sorted by sanx and patrick currently...

i think i owe sanx a hell of alot of beer....same with patrick.

[ZeroIndex]

nope cop radioed for a towie with me standing there and i watched as they put my bike on the truck...while in cuffs...before they took me off to central...

issue is getting sorted by sanx and patrick currently...

i think i owe sanx a hell of alot of beer....same with patrick.
I'm sure they'd both appreciate if you did ACTUALLY change your riding style to courteous as opposed to dangerous more than "a hell of alot of beer"

[terbang]

Somehow I think the only thing that will be learned here, is how to subvert the law. RIP Skidmark and any other poor unfortunate that just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Sanx]

Somehow I think the only thing that will be learned here, is how to subvert the law. RIP Skidmark and any other poor unfortunate that just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

There will be no subversion of the law at all. What I'm trying to ensure is that SkidMark receives the punishment due to him, without extra penalties not allowed in law. You titled a post in the other thread "Do the crime, then do the time". Well - he'll lose his licence for six months and the chances are he'll have a pretty whopping fine as well. However, if the law does not allow for his vehicle to be impounded for the offence he was charged with, is it fair (pretend this was someone other than SkidMark) that he gets stung for the impound fees (around $350) as well, when the Police are not lawfully allowed to impound the vehicle?

[Sanx]

I'm sure they'd both appreciate if you did ACTUALLY change your riding style to courteous as opposed to dangerous more than "a hell of alot of beer"

Bling and ten chars.

[NinjaNanna]

There will be no subversion of the law at all. What I'm trying to ensure is that SkidMark receives the punishment due to him, without extra penalties not allowed in law. You titled a post in the other thread "Do the crime, then do the time". Well - he'll lose his licence for six months and the chances are he'll have a pretty whopping fine as well. However, if the law does not allow for his vehicle to be impounded for the offence he was charged with, is it fair (pretend this was someone other than SkidMark) that he gets stung for the impound fees (around $350) as well, when the Police are not lawfully allowed to impound the vehicle?

Well I agree in part, though personally I think that it is good that Mark had his bike impounded and that he has to go to considerable grief to get it out. I do however hope that it is sorted in due course and that he does not have to pay the impound fees (after all technically it should not have been impounded).

I think it pays to remember that as endearing and enthusiastic young Mark is, he continually ignores good advice without even acknowledging it, by his own confession is an un-employed blugger and is completely reckless when riding.

So in my opinion the court fines and costs, plus the added hassles of the impound is just punishment for his behaviour.

Personally I believe we need to leave more room for Community Policing, lets look at the circumstances as the Police Officer would have seen them, Young Rider has only just regained his license, now is in a situation where he is being charged with dangerous driving. Has he learned his lesson? The Officer has the ability to cause this little prat some extra hassle by impounding his vehicle, should he do it? HELL YES, and I say thankyou sir. As a tax payer am I happy to pay the impound fees, to dish out this extra punishment, HELL YES. Do I think the impounding will have any affect on Mark's behaviour - buggered if I know but its worth the cost to find out - better than him killing himself and someone else.

Oh and whilst I think it is wonderful that there are good people such as Sanx, Patrick and others, in this world who are helping him sort out the impound business, I can't help but believe if he was left to his own devices he wouldn't even bother trying to get it out.

I'm starting to wonder if we need to throw this baby out with the bath water so that he is forced to grow up and face the consequences of his actions and preferable before he KILLS someone, and lets face it that is entirely possible.

[slickaz]

i just hope after all this work of helping the poor guy, he doesnt give in to temptation next time with dire consequences. coz then it wouldve been better if noone actually helped him get his bike out..but thats just speaking from my past experience of helpin someone getting thier car back who then (Within a week) crashed thier car drifting around a corner into a truck, didnt make it out alive.
as someone said before - throwing the baby out with bath water..tuff love..i dunno..

Skid - stay safe out there man.

[skidMark]

Just woke up to a phonecall, which went something like this.

Me: Morning **in groggy just woken up**

Officer: Hi this is Officer xxxx

Me: Hey um howsit going

Officer: Good, your bike is released from impound you can go get it and we are coving all costs.

Me: thankyou very much officer.....etc etc....

**phonecasll ends**

PARTY PARTY PARTY PARTY PARTY!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Especially a very big thankyou to Sanx, as i said on the phone i owe you one big box of beer, you said no but dammit your getting a box of beer LOL.

and also the man behind the scenes that seems to have made my bike get released out of nowhere.

So thank you Patrick, i owe you bigtime too box of beer your way also if ya want.

I simply cannot express my gratitute enough for what you guys have done for me.

Regards: A bouncing off the walls in ADHD mode SM

[Coldrider]

Just woke up to a phonecall, which went something like this.

Me: Morning **in groggy just woken up**

Officer: Hi this is Officer xxxx

Me: Hey um howsit going

Officer: Good, your bike is released from impound you can go get it and we are coving all costs.
Someone else better collect it, is your licence under a 28 day suspension or not.

[skidMark]

Someone else better collect it, is your licence under a 28 day suspension or not.



My license is currently still valid, i can legally ride/drive.

[Coldrider]

This is starting to turn out not so bad for you. Thanx Sanx

[Sanx]

This is starting to turn out not so bad for you. Thanx Sanx

I'd like to take all the credit, but I didn't actually do anything other than collect some info and read through various bits of legislation. There was definitely something going on behind the scenes though - the timing's just too fortuitous. To the officer concerned, thanks.

Lemme know if you need a hand getting to the impound yard, Mark.

[NinjaNanna]

Just woke up to a phonecall, which went something like this.



Glad to see you're busily looking for work, well at least anytime after 12:30 in the afternoon huh!!! :Offtopic:

Hope you've learnt something from this, I guess you'll have your first chance to prove yourself tonight on the ATNR, maybe you should volunteer for tail end charlie. :woohoo:

[skidMark]

Glad to see you're busily looking for work, well at least anytime after 12:30 in the afternoon huh!!! :Offtopic:

Hope you've learnt something from this, I guess you'll have your first chance to prove yourself tonight on the ATNR, maybe you should volunteer for tail end charlie. :woohoo:


too many cops on the ride, don't really like to risk it even when people have been behaving in the past they have got done, i'm trying to keep low key.

[avgas]

Would rep ya again Sanx - but it seems that once again quota's are going against me.
Mark - get a job now aye!!! lol

[ZeroIndex]

Just woke up to a phonecall, which went something like this.

Me: Morning **in groggy just woken up**

Officer: Hi this is Officer xxxx

Me: Hey um howsit going

Officer: Good, your bike is released from impound you can go get it and we are coving all costs.

Me: thankyou very much officer.....etc etc....

**phonecasll ends**

PARTY PARTY PARTY PARTY PARTY!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Especially a very big thankyou to Sanx, as i said on the phone i owe you one big box of beer, you said no but dammit your getting a box of beer LOL.

and also the man behind the scenes that seems to have made my bike get released out of nowhere.

So thank you Patrick, i owe you bigtime too box of beer your way also if ya want.

I simply cannot express my gratitute enough for what you guys have done for me.

Regards: A bouncing off the walls in ADHD mode SM
If that bike gets impounded again, I will find out where you live, then I will find a way up to Auckland, and then beat the crap out of you... You're really lucky to get off the impounding charges. Thank you Sanx for all the work you did to get justice upheld (on the not-so-legal impounding of Mark's bike).

Mark, I really hope Sanx's work doesn't go unnoticed by you, and that you actually starts riding decently in a way that Sanx would be happy that he went through the effort of helping you out.

[discotex]

I simply cannot express my gratitute enough for what you guys have done for me.

Yeah you can and ZeroIndex has already told you how :)

I'm sure Sanx and everyone else working behind the scenes to help you out would be really bummed if you went straight out and got yourself in the shit again.

The sentence will probably be worse if you get picked up for speeding (or worse) before your court date so keeping that in mind might slow you down for now.

[Coldrider]

Maybe someone can lend skiddy a CT90 or something to keep his riding profile a bit seemly until he can keep his riding ability out of sight of those that should not see.

[zeocen]

Express it by doing what you say you will do.

Just for once, in your life.

[Hitcher]

Are we there yet?

[Crisis management]

Are we there yet?

You really are the eternal optimist aren't you........




Mark, the balls in your court boy and we are watching!