Tazer for losers..

[scumdog]

Saw a bit about tazers on the fuckwit media called TV, fuckin' ding-a-lings, wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire..

So "there were 7 officers there yet the Tazer was used"

My thoughts: Yeah so 8 people were saved from serious injury.

MY thoughts: Shoot more losers - then the bleeding-heart greenie soft-cock losers would start to think the tazer was not so bad after all.:yeah:

I wonder how many front-line cops think the Tazer is not a good thing???

[Colapop]

I wonder how many front line officers think stab proof vests are a bad idea?

[98tls]

Ive always believed that if instead of receiving the dole for not working you had your head cut off then unemployment would be a thing of the past.

[scumdog]

I wonder how many front line officers think stab proof vests are a bad idea?

Bugger-all, awkwardness and other 'problems' notwithstanding, I would not be without it.


Tazers?
The gap between the pepper-spray and the GLock.

Wouldn't you rather be Tazered than shot if the pepper-spray failed to work??

[NighthawkNZ]

Bugger-all, awkwardness and other 'problems' notwithstanding, I would not be without it.


I tryed a stab proof vest on at work and them seem bulky and uncomfortable and would probably give me a stiff neck after a while ????

[Colapop]

I'd rather they were standard issue. How many farken complaints authority hearings would we have if domestic disputes were sorted with a Glock? Pull the Tazer out, paint them all nice and red... amazing how quick even the 'hard' arses lay down and say sorry...

[scumdog]

I'd rather they were standard issue. How many farken complaints authority hearings would we have if domestic disputes were sorted with a Glock? Pull the Tazer out, paint them all nice and red... amazing how quick even the 'hard' arses lay down and say sorry...

THAT is soooo true - put the 'red-dot' on them and instant compliance.

If we had the same sights on the Glocks/Bushmaster we could probably get the same 'compliance':niceone:

[Colapop]

MMM - Mighty Mumbledsomething about about being a sorry arse? Yeah, I thought so... Just need to make prisons as much fun for them...

[Jantar]

I would be very happy to see all police issued with Tazers. They seem like a great way to stop an offender instantly without the need for summary justice. Then there is seldom any permanent injury if the offender is later found "Not Guilty".

Now, a question: Do the Tazer barbs penetrate the kevlar on Dragon jackets? :innocent:

[scumdog]

I would be very happy to see all police issued with Tazers. They seem like a great way to stop an offender instantly without the need for summary justice. Then there is seldom any permanent injury if the offender is later found "Not Guilty".

Now, a question: Do the Tazer barbs penetrate the kevlar on Dragon jackets? :innocent:

Very likely they do Jantar - and they don't need to make contact with your skin - they will 'jump' a gap of 40mm or so.... how thick is a Dragon jacket????

[Jantar]

Its not the thickness so much, but the fact that the kevlar in a Dragon Jacket is made of carbon fibre, and carbon is a perfect conductor of the electrical charge. So most of the current would flow through the kevlar rather than the target.

[Colapop]

How many people wear Kevlar or Dragon jackets and have Tazer type situation run-ins with the law?

[scumdog]

Its not the thickness so much, but the fact that the kevlar in a Dragon Jacket is made of carbon fibre, and carbon is a perfect conductor of the electrical charge. So most of the current would flow through the kevlar rather than the target.

True - in an ideal world and when new (maybe).

But how many Tazer 'victims' would fit in that catagory??

[jimbo600]

Fuck me Tazers are the best thing to reach NZ since European settlers.

Give any twat trouble causing offender a choice. Tazer or 9mm hollow point pal.

What next? Take away your strobes as they may induce migraines!

[NighthawkNZ]

mmmmmmm tazer good to start me heart in the morning :D

[Jantar]

...But how many Tazer 'victims' would fit in that catagory??

None, I'd hope. Just asking. :mellow:

[The Tazman]

Give any twat trouble causing offender a choice. Tazer or 9mm hollow point pal.

Well said that man :D

If your going out to cause trouble to that extent you don't care about anyone else's rights so as far as I'm concerned you've nul and voided yours. Your lucky it's only a Tazor :yes:

[janno]

mmmmmmm tazer good to start me heart in the morning :D

No dear, that's what your wife is for . . .

[Skyryder]

Saw a bit about tazers on the fuckwit media called TV, fuckin' ding-a-lings, wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire..

So "there were 7 officers there yet the Tazer was used"

My thoughts: Yeah so 8 people were saved from serious injury.

MY thoughts: Shoot more losers - then the bleeding-heart greenie soft-cock losers would start to think the tazer was not so bad after all.:yeah:

I wonder how many front-line cops think the Tazer is not a good thing???


A loaded question...............if you will excuse the pun. The issue to me is not that a Tazer was used with seven cops present ...............but were the guidlines of the trial broken? That SD is the issue. Can the police be trusted with Tazors?


Skyryder

[ynot slow]

Don't get yourself in the position that the cops need to pepper spray ,tazer or shoot you.
If the police say lie down don't piss with them.

As for the kaftan wearing liberals,sorry but I class steel toe boots as a weapon(had them used on me,black eye,sore ribs),ask the cop in the Mangakino cemetry,also that Waitara incident he had golf clubs,baseball bats they do some mighty fine damage,options I see is reasonable force first then progress up to deadly force,but remember we are in our cosy homes when the cops are faced with this shit,easy to say cops fucked up nah nah nah,how would the liberals feel if their home was invaded,ladies raped,guy murdered,all because cops didn't have resources to deal with the situation.

[Skyryder]

Don't get yourself in the position that the cops need to pepper spray ,tazer or shoot you.
If the police say lie down don't piss with them.

As for the kaftan wearing liberals,sorry but I class steel toe boots as a weapon(had them used on me,black eye,sore ribs),ask the cop in the Mangakino cemetry,also that Waitara incident he had golf clubs,baseball bats they do some mighty fine damage,options I see is reasonable force first then progress up to deadly force,but remember we are in our cosy homes when the cops are faced with this shit,easy to say cops fucked up nah nah nah,how would the liberals feel if their home was invaded,ladies raped,guy murdered,all because cops didn't have resources to deal with the situation.


Seven cops against one guy? Fuck are they pussys or what. Now if that's the standard of frontline police well ok if they need to use a Tazer then who am I to stop them. The question I asked..............were the guidlines broken?

These guidlines are there to protect you and I.........the public, and that includes the kaftan liberals also, not that many are wearing them in this 'enlightened' age.


Skyryder

[Littleman]

A loaded question...............if you will excuse the pun. The issue to me is not that a Tazer was used with seven cops present ...............but were the guidlines of the trial broken? That SD is the issue. Can the police be trusted with Tazors?


Skyryder

Can Scott WATSON be trusted with teenage girls?

[Delerium]

Remember, its easy to analyse and criticse, not so easy when you are in that situation and have only a moment to make a decsion, with hesitation having the potential to make the situation worse, all pumped up with adrenalin and the like.

[jimbo600]

Seven cops against one guy? Fuck are they pussys or what.

Actually a recent phenomena known as Excited delirium has been discovered. This condition has resulted in many deaths over the years and the cops have been blamed for excessive use of force. A situation where seven cops try to effect an arrest of an offender, particularly if the offender is high, can bring on this condition. The best and safest way to subdue them is to use the tazer. This will protect the cops, and probably save the guys life.

[Skyryder]

Actually a recent phenomena known as Excited delirium has been discovered. This condition has resulted in many deaths over the years and the cops have been blamed for excessive use of force. A situation where seven cops try to effect an arrest of an offender, particularly if the offender is high, can bring on this condition. The best and safest way to subdue them is to use the tazer. This will protect the cops, and probably save the guys life.

That's not entirely true. The medical profession is at odds if the condition actualy exists. This article implicates the use of Tazors in the medical theory with a death. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7622314

But my post asks the question were the guidlines in Tazer use broken? That to me is the fundamental issue the TV item 'covertly' raised; that seven officer were present when a tazor was fired to subdue an indavidual.

Skyryder

[jrandom]

I dearly hope that the Tasers become standard issue.

Goodness knows I'd rather take a five-second Taser ride than get pepper-sprayed and spend an hour with my head under a cold shower making whimpering noises.

I wonder if the limp-dicked liberals wringing their hands over whether Tasers are a good idea have ever been face to face with a smelly brown gentleman twice their size, suffering from the effects of a few days 'up' on methamphetamine, who has decided to take issue with the world in general and them in particular.

Come to think of it, I'd like to apply the same general idea to policymakers and cage drivers. The former should be required to spend six months as front-line cops, and the latter should be required to spend six months with nothing but a GN250 as transport. The country's average level of stupidity would be immediately reduced.

[Aitch]

The cops are given a bloody effective alternative to the Glock, and some bleeding heart liberals get their little panties in a knot cos someone might die from being tazered??????? Tell you what, let htem turn up at an incident where some nutter is spnning out with a knife/golf/club/baseball bat or whatever is close at hand and let them reason with said nutter.......
The problem is that these anti taser types have grown up in nice safe homes where the worst thing that ever happened to them was that their milk was served too warm!!!!!!!!!!!

[jahrasti]

I think the police should only be armed with wit and charm.
Alo alo alo whats goin on 'ere then?
G'day cobber what the problem mate?
Kia ora bro, who been messing with your shit?

[Skyryder]

The cops are given a bloody effective alternative to the Glock, and some bleeding heart liberals get their little panties in a knot cos someone might die from being tazered??????? Tell you what, let htem turn up at an incident where some nutter is spnning out with a knife/golf/club/baseball bat or whatever is close at hand and let them reason with said nutter.......
The problem is that these anti taser types have grown up in nice safe homes where the worst thing that ever happened to them was that their milk was served too warm!!!!!!!!!!!

I doubt if many here, including myself would disagree with the use of a Tazor in the conditions that you desrcibe. However this was not the situation that SD raised in his thread. Perhaps the police were right to use a Tazor. I don't know. But seven against one...............this is not what you have described in the above. The problem I have with tazors is not their use but their abuse. And if the police can not use this 'resource' in the correct manner then it should not be made available to them. And we all know how they use their radar guns in hiding don't we?



Skyryder

[Edbear]

Wouldn't you rather be Tazered than shot if the pepper-spray failed to work??



Decisions! Decisions! Now I'm confused...:crazy:

[Skyryder]

This Tazor thing; it's all a plot from the makers of Monopoly. They are doing a face lift for their 'bored' game and GO TO GAOL is so yesterday. Instead they are rebranding that segmont of the game and calling it TAZORED. You can't get up until you throw a double six

Skyryder

[scumdog]

That to me is the fundamental issue the TV item 'covertly' raised; that seven officer were present when a tazor was fired to subdue an indavidual.

Skyryder

MY mention of 7 cops was purely hypothetical.

But in situations like that nobody wants to be a hero (you public don't pay us THAT much!!) - especially if a Tazer is available.

As somebody said earlier: Don't get yourself into a Tazer-likely situation in the first place.

[jimbo600]

You'd think that the funny red beam aiming at ya would be enough of a deterrent for most people.

[Skyryder]

MY mention of 7 cops was purely hypothetical.

But in situations like that nobody wants to be a hero (you public don't pay us THAT much!!) - especially if a Tazer is available.

As somebody said earlier: Don't get yourself into a Tazer-likely situation in the first place.


So was the Monopoly.

I see the trial is finished. Will be interesting to see if they are procured and issued to front line police. With Sharples and the Greens opposing their use along with the uncertainties of the next election it might not be as clear cut as some would wish. Can you imagine the Minister of Police from the Maori Party? Now that would be a headbanger.

Skyryder

[The Pastor]

Tazers for cops? Hell no. They shouldnt even have pepper spray. And radars. and lazers.

[Skytwr]

to clear up the point on the number of officers at the scene. The quote by the media softies was that 9 officers were present.
1st - It was an AOS (Armed offenders)call out.
2nd - Most of the officers would not have even be able to see the offender as they are there to cordon and contain not to approach.
3rd - now the trial has finished wait for the first person to be shot and then listen to the bitching.
Damed if you do damed if you don't

[Swoop]

Although I'm with you on this one Scummy,

MY thoughts: Shoot more losers...
I am wondering if you are referring to the two officers who shot themselves by accident, with their own tazer?
A very good thing that they were not armed with a Glock!

[BIKEGAL68]

gee if its not one thing its another ...............
bad enough them going on about the pursuits ................... blah blah blah
people are never happy............ what would life be like if we didnt have the police to try an keep law an order.
Guys out there who put there lives on the line, to help others an all they get is shit in return. No wonder there short staffed.

police are always the bad guy's until they are needed to sort other peoples bull shit out.

[ynot slow]

You will phone the police if a guy breaks into your home,if said crim is on meth and about to blow you away ,rape ya partner and kids,cops turn up and have the options,1)talk nicely and slowly to make crim give up,2)reach for pepper spray only to find he has the salt shaker due to dislexic volunteer in station,3)has tazer and scared to use it incase the crim has a heart problem,4)shoot the crim,but needs to weigh up pros and cons of situation-time elapsed is 15 mins,by this time your dead,the wifes been raped,son killed,daughter raped and killed,cop about to get killed in line of duty and crim breaks his leg jumping over fence and getting acc after getting priority surgery,thus further meaning your dad has to wait longer for his hip operation due to shortage of staff.
Anyone else see whats happening here.

Agree 7 cops may be tad ott,but they don't know the mindset of each crim,some want cops to kill them.

[Patrick]

A loaded question...............if you will excuse the pun. The issue to me is not that a Tazer was used with seven cops present ...............but were the guidlines of the trial broken? That SD is the issue. Can the police be trusted with Tazors

Skyryder

1. No, and
2. Yes. We have guns for fark sake... what would you prefer? A zap or a bullet?


Seven cops against one guy? Fuck are they pussys or what.

Skyryder

There was one that said 7 present, another said 9... but both were Armed Offender Incidents... the majority of those present were fully armed AOS and then the Tazer man... Again, what choice would you prefer?


Tazers for cops? Hell no. They shouldnt even have pepper spray. And radars. and lazers.

Or cars, batons, handcuffs, Police Dogs/helecopter or boats, pens, uniforms, boots/shoes....

[Patrick]

Saw a bit about tazers on the fuckwit media called TV, fuckin' ding-a-lings, wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire..

So "there were 7 officers there yet the Tazer was used"

My thoughts: Yeah so 8 people were saved from serious injury.

MY thoughts: Shoot more losers - then the bleeding-heart greenie soft-cock losers would start to think the tazer was not so bad after all.:yeah:

I wonder how many front-line cops think the Tazer is not a good thing???

And the boss, while being interviewed was asked if 7 Police Officers would normally be sufficient to overcome one...

His response was "Yes,...." then he was cut off just as he was taking in a breath to continue... and we all know he was about to launch into how heavily armed this sack of shit was, but the good old media put paid to him saying that didn't they...:bash:

[imdying]

Its not the thickness so much, but the fact that the kevlar in a Dragon Jacket is made of carbon fibre, and carbon is a perfect conductor of the electrical charge. So most of the current would flow through the kevlar rather than the target.Kevlar and carbon fibre are two different things. Carbon is indeed a good conductor, and kevlar is not.

[The Pastor]

1. No, and
2. Yes. We have guns for fark sake... what would you prefer? A zap or a bullet?



There was one that said 7 present, another said 9... but both were Armed Offender Incidents... the majority of those present were fully armed AOS and then the Tazer man... Again, what choice would you prefer?



Or cars, batons, handcuffs, Police Dogs/helecopter or boats, pens, uniforms, boots/shoes....
your onto it mate!

[Jantar]

Or cars, batons, handcuffs, Police Dogs/helecopter or boats, pens, uniforms, boots/shoes....
I know you are just joking, but this list is a bit over the top. The police should have all those items except for the pens. :whistle:

[Edbear]

what would you prefer? A zap or a bullet?....



Which one's cheaper to fire..?

[scumdog]

. And we all know how they use their radar guns in hiding don't we?



Skyryder


Sooo, using a radar gun (whatever that is) in hiding is illegal??:spudwhat:

Or is it a whimper 'cos doing so will make people speed??:scratch::wait:

[Skyryder]

Sooo, using a radar gun (whatever that is) in hiding is illegal??:spudwhat:

Or is it a whimper 'cos doing so will make people speed??:scratch::wait:

No it's sneaky. :angry2:

Skyryder

[imdying]

Sooo, using a radar gun (whatever that is) in hiding is illegal??WTF? How else should they be using them??? Of couse you should be using them in hiding... be stuffed if I want to pay for you to sit out where the whole world can see you... if I'm paying you to catch people speeding, then you might as well be doing the best job of catching them you can! Same reason why marked cars on traffic duty is a waste of time... I want unmarked cars catching people doing stupid shit, not marked cars that people act 'normal' past and thendo stupid shit.

[Lias]

Personally I reckon we need to ban tazers, and CS spray, and batons, the whole 9 yards.. Give every cop a glock and no other weapons and watch the crime rate plummet, not to mention the reduced bill for prisoners :clap:

[mbazza]

Is this shocking thread going anywhere? Or is it 'on the loose' like those needing the Tazer treatment? :yes:

[Patrick]

I know you are just joking, but this list is a bit over the top. The police should have all those items except for the pens. :whistle:

It's those damn pens I tells ya... the root of aaaalllllllllllll evilllll.......


Which one's cheaper to fire..?

15 cent bullet, 1 x charge from a AAA battery... Hmmm.....


Personally I reckon we need to ban tazers, and CS spray, and batons, the whole 9 yards.. Give every cop a glock and no other weapons and watch the crime rate plummet, not to mention the reduced bill for prisoners :clap:

Pure gold! But then watch those tree huggers bitch and moan how there aren't any Tazers, spray or batons that could have subdued the nice "P" head easier... :brick::Pokey:

[Patrick]

Sooo, using a radar gun (whatever that is)

6, 12, 17 or 21 shot???

[Finn]

I strongly believe that every cop (except traffic) should be armed after 2 years front line service. In addition, outstanding citizens such as myself should be able to carry outside the designated route from home to the range.

I don't live in fear but nothing finishes off a good night like a kill. Degenerates need to die more often.

[ManDownUnder]

Degenerates need to die more often.

You been watching zombie movies again? After the first time I thought that was it.... doesn't dead mean gone?

Na - arm the cops with tazers and hold them responsible for their use each and every time... No big deal. The problem I have with cops carrying guns is the arms race it contributes to so the bad guys are expected to match or betyter the firearms on the street.

Pepper spray and tazers... no worries... when accountability is thrown into the mix.

[Pixie]

Its not the thickness so much, but the fact that the kevlar in a Dragon Jacket is made of carbon fibre, and carbon is a perfect conductor of the electrical charge. So most of the current would flow through the kevlar rather than the target.

Kevlar is a proprietary name for Poly Aramid fibre.
It is a very good insulator.
Carbon fibre is a totally different material

[Pixie]

Although I'm with you on this one Scummy,

I am wondering if you are referring to the two officers who shot themselves by accident, with their own tazer?
A very good thing that they were not armed with a Glock!

They are definately better off than the cops that have shot themselves with the Glock :stupid:

[Finn]

http://www.gunfacts.info/

Read it.

[Patrick]

Kevlar is a proprietary name for Poly Aramid fibre.
It is a very good insulator.
Carbon fibre is a totally different material

I guess the next logical step, if the Tazer doesn't work due to insulation, will be... Ummm...:2guns::ar15::girlfight:

[Angusdog]

To paraphrase the gun-happy proponents of the NRA, tazer them all and let A&E sort them out...

Personally, I'm building a suit out of metallic foil to act as a faraday cage - INVINCIBLE!

[Edbear]

...15 cent bullet, 1 x charge from a AAA battery... Hmmm.....


Don't forget to factor in the other costs. 15c bullet = eliminate the problem...

Tazer = $75k p.a. for prison, + court costs + ....etc.

Not that I'm suggesting one should shoot all lawbreakers, of course...!

[Fatjim]

I'm worried that cops with Tazers will get fatter and lazier. Goodness knows some of them have far too many donuts as it is.

[scumdog]

Although I'm with you on this one Scummy,

I am wondering if you are referring to the two officers who shot themselves by accident, with their own tazer?
A very good thing that they were not armed with a Glock!

Ah, they didn't actually 'shoot' themselves with the Tazer, it had already been fire - just another media screw-up thing.

But they did give themselves a shock

[Patrick]

Don't forget to factor in the other costs. 15c bullet = eliminate the problem...

Tazer = $75k p.a. for prison, + court costs + ....etc.

Not that I'm suggesting one should shoot all lawbreakers, of course...!

Latest figure is $90,000 p.a.

15c bullet looking a more viable solution..... talk about value for money!!!

[Swoop]

I'm worried that cops with Tazers will get fatter and lazier. Goodness knows some of them have far too many donuts as it is.
I have to disagree with ya there. Look at the circumference of Chief Wiggum and he dosen't carry a tazer!:rofl:

[avgas]

Its all fun in games until a motorcyclist is shot off a bike.
Nah im all keen for the whole force to have tazers.
Better that than a live firearm i say.
Pepper spray and bag cannons i think are also good deterents.
Shotguns full of rock salt?

[Finn]

Talking about stab proof vests...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0709/S00007.htm

Maybe they could sell one of the smaller ones to me. I'm meeting up with an ex later in the week.

[scumdog]

Talking about stab proof vests...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0709/S00007.htm

Maybe they could sell one of the smaller ones to me. I'm meeting up with an ex later in the week.


Is she quite small?:blink::whistle:

[Finn]

Is she quite small?:blink::whistle:

No but I like the way you think.

[peasea]

Although I'm with you on this one Scummy,

I am wondering if you are referring to the two officers who shot themselves by accident, with their own tazer?
A very good thing that they were not armed with a Glock!

Or, perhaps, not.

[peasea]

Its all fun in games until a motorcyclist is shot off a bike.
Nah im all keen for the whole force to have tazers.
Better that than a live firearm i say.
Pepper spray and bag cannons i think are also good deterents.
Shotguns full of rock salt?


Or even a blunderbus?
(Drink driving stops here.)

[peasea]

There was an incident a couple of weekends ago in Auckland (Khyber Pass Road, BP gas station) where a mate's son was carved up pretty good and his mate got worse. Twenty nutters went beserk on a bus with broken bottles and beat the crap out of some other kids, my mate's son put his hand up to cover his face and got slashed in the hand, the wound went from the webbing between his pinky and ring finger right down to the palm. He also got stitches in his head from another blow with a broken bottle. His mate had to be resuss'd in hospital with an exposed spinal cord!

The nutters wrecked the bus and there were teens bleeding all over the forecourt etc.

According to information I have there was an off-duty cop on the bus who determined that the situation was too violent to take direct action, personal safety etc etc. He dialled up the troops who (to their credit) came out of the woodwork very quickly. I wonder; if he'd had a tazer in his back pocket if that would have deterred twenty (probably P-fuelled) nutters. At a time like that maybe a gun would be a good thing. (??)

The cops towed the bus as it is a 'crime scene'.

Anyone hear about that incident?

[Jantar]

Kevlar is a proprietary name for Poly Aramid fibre.
It is a very good insulator.
Carbon fibre is a totally different material

Kevlar is a synthetic material known as a polymer. A polymer is a chain made of many similar molecular groups, known as monomers, that are bonded together. In the case of Kevlar, it is a carbon polymer in a fibre. Not all carbon fibres are graphite, kevlar is simply one type of carbon fibre. Each Kevlar segment or monomer is a chemical unit C14H10N2O2, with the carbon atoms forming two linked carbon rings. It is a P type carrier.

From the Reference Book for Composites Technology By Stuart M. Lee

Dielectric strength parrallel with warp 3.3 kv/cm
Dielectric strength perpendicular to warp 3.7 kv/cm
Arc resistance 125

What this means is that Kevlar is an insulator at low voltages, but breaks down to become a good conductor at higher voltages. The Tazer at 50KV would have to have the barbs at least 13 cm apart in order to prevent electrical conductance.

OK, back on topic - IMO the cops should all be issued with tasers and fully trained in their use. I see them as being the best way of instantly incapacitationg a violent suspect without any permanent harm.

[inlinefour]

Seven cops against one guy? Fuck are they pussys or what. Now if that's the standard of frontline police well ok if they need to use a Tazer then who am I to stop them. The question I asked..............were the guidlines broken?

These guidlines are there to protect you and I.........the public, and that includes the kaftan liberals also, not that many are wearing them in this 'enlightened' age.


Skyryder

I have not read this entire thread yet, but I will. Has anyone seen someone psychotic on P? I have and I have also seen one scrawny male thrown off 6 very large Police officers with attitude. Now I do not know about anyone else, but as far as I'm concerned the Police should be allowed to keep themselves as safe as possible. If this means someone gets tazered or even at times shot, so be it. It is the individual's choice to do drugs and/or break the law. There is far too much crime in New Zealand and on one hand society says made the penalties harder, but with the other, say make the Police softer? That would never work and would just end up promoting crime, much like the wet bus tickets handed out by the NZ justice system do. People are too concerned with personal rights. I think if you decide to break the law, your waver those rights. Also, if you give the Police serious attitude, they should tazer yer arse... :2thumbsup

Edit:Have read the entire thread now. Stand by what I said 100%.

[Monkeyboy]

A friend of mine who is a cop:Police:, pepper sprayed a 6" foot, 130 kg nutter:eek: on 'P', after he'd done a runner from a car crash on Dyers Pass Road in CH-CH. It still took him and another cop 3 to 4 minutes just to get the handcuffs on this savage in the back of a police car. My mate was saying his colleagues made the comment that a tazer would have been handy. It's not like the good old days where you put your dukes up and have fisticuffs anymore. Look at that other savage Bell who killed 3 people, he was on 'P'. Shoot them all I say!:Punk:

[Patrick]

A friend of mine who is a cop:Police:, pepper sprayed a 6" foot, 130 kg nutter:eek: on 'P', after he'd done a runner from a car crash on Dyers Pass Road in CH-CH. It still took him and another cop 3 to 4 minutes just to get the handcuffs on this savage in the back of a police car. My mate was saying his colleagues made the comment that a tazer would have been handy. It's not like the good old days where you put your dukes up and have fisticuffs anymore. Look at that other savage Bell who killed 3 people, he was on 'P'. Shoot them all I say!:Punk:

True!! Fall to the ground nowadays, and that is the signal for one sack of shite to commence putting in the slipper!!!! Used to be, fall down = game over. Survival of the dirtiest is the rule of thumb now...

[peasea]

Shoot them all I say!:Punk:

Who? The cops?

[Bass]

Kevlar is a synthetic material known as a polymer. A polymer is a chain made of many similar molecular groups, known as monomers, that are bonded together. In the case of Kevlar, it is a carbon polymer in a fibre. Not all carbon fibres are graphite, kevlar is simply one type of carbon fibre. Each Kevlar segment or monomer is a chemical unit C14H10N2O2, with the carbon atoms forming two linked carbon rings. It is a P type carrier.

From the Reference Book for Composites Technology By Stuart M. Lee

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Interesting.
My Chemical Engineering professors are definitely with Pixie on this one.
I would agree that the polymer's backbone is often a carbon chain of some sort, but to call it a fibre is stretching things a bit. Any conventional use of the words carbon fibre, usually involves graphite.
But to bring this back a little - if you wanted to protect yourself from a Tazer, wouldn't a conductive suit be better than an insulating one. As was suggested earlier in this thread, wouldn't that bring the Farraday effect into play so that you would be effectively wearing a Farraday cage as the man (Angusdog) suggested?

[Patrick]

But to bring this back a little - if you wanted to protect yourself from a Tazer, wouldn't a conductive suit be better than an insulating one. As was suggested earlier in this thread, wouldn't that bring the Farraday effect into play so that you would be effectively wearing a Farraday cage as the man (Angusdog) suggested?

Wear what you like... if the Tazer doesn't work on ya, a Glock or Bushmaster then will...

[avgas]

But to bring this back a little - if you wanted to protect yourself from a Tazer, wouldn't a conductive suit be better than an insulating one. As was suggested earlier in this thread, wouldn't that bring the Farraday effect into play so that you would be effectively wearing a Farraday cage as the man (Angusdog) suggested?
Um, no....not if you wanted to move comfortably. Seen an astronaut suit - you get the idea.
Farraday cages are an excellent concept (see car electro shock treatment), but only for rigid things.
Unless you like to grease up your body with silicon before putting on a big suit.

[mstriumph]

I think the police should only be armed with wit and charm.
Alo alo alo whats goin on 'ere then?
G'day cobber what the problem mate?
Kia ora bro, who been messing with your shit?

rof eyes streaming with mirth :rofl: .......and that's GOTTA be preferable to pepper spray ....

mebbe we should get you to show the police how to render someone helpless with a coupla well-chosen lines?

[mstriumph]

Tazers for cops? Hell no. They shouldnt even have pepper spray. And radars. and lazers.

well - DEFINATELY not the last two ........ :cool:

[terbang]

Wear what you like... if the Tazer doesn't work on ya, a Glock or Bushmaster then will...
Sums it all up really. How about not giving them an excuse to use something on you in the first place. Its called behaving yourself.

[Bass]

Um, no....not if you wanted to move comfortably. Seen an astronaut suit - you get the idea.
Farraday cages are an excellent concept (see car electro shock treatment), but only for rigid things.
Unless you like to grease up your body with silicon before putting on a big suit.

I beg to disagree.
To be a technical pedant for a moment, my understanding is that the material only needs to be conductive to work. So carbon fibre might do it - foil, as the man suggested might be enough provided it was backed with something to keep the electrodes out of your hide.
A faraday cage does not have to be rigid. It does not even have to have an insulated backing because the charge passes around the outside.
This is why aircraft are hit by lightning surprisingly often and the passengers are completely unaware of it

[mstriumph]

Sums it all up really. How about not giving them an excuse to use something on you in the first place. Its called behaving yourself.

that's fine and mostly accurate -
but there are the odd occasions when the police either misjudge the situation or over-react ..... adrenaline does funny things

-i'm thinking specifically about that fellow all over last night's news here [on the apec conference] who ended up face down on the pavement in sydney under a handful of australia's finest IN FRONT of his 11 yr old son, for incautious crossing of the road to buy his lunch ..... doubtful whether the boy would have found it less traumatic to see his father tazered rather than thugged up by more traditional means? :(

[peasea]

that's fine and mostly accurate -
but there are the odd occasions when the police either misjudge the situation or over-react ..... adrenaline does funny things

-i'm thinking specifically about that fellow all over last night's news here [on the apec conference] who ended up face down on the pavement in sydney under a handful of australia's finest IN FRONT of his 11 yr old son, for incautious crossing of the road to buy his lunch ..... doubtful whether the boy would have found it less traumatic to see his father tazered rather than thugged up by more traditional means? :(

I'll say nothing, coz I'm behaving myself.

[Skyryder]

I'll say nothing, coz I'm behaving myself.

I've misbehaved :devil2:all my life and never been tazored once.:devil2:

Skyryder

[scumdog]

Sums it all up really. How about not giving them an excuse to use something on you in the first place. Its called behaving yourself.

Must spread reputation....

True, I ain't shot nobody who never needed it in the first place:innocent:

[Edbear]

Sums it all up really. How about not giving them an excuse to use something on you in the first place. Its called behaving yourself.



:blink:What a novel idea...!!!!

[Patrick]

-i'm thinking specifically about that fellow all over last night's news here [on the apec conference] :(

Can't speak for the Ozzie coppers... they've been bent for years...


I'll say nothing, coz I'm behaving myself.

Huh? No shooting???

[mstriumph]

I've misbehaved :devil2:all my life and never been tazored once.:devil2:

Skyryder

yeah - me too/ me either .............. but that's prolly only because there's no Scummie in the vicinity :whistle:

[mstriumph]

Can't speak for the Ozzie coppers... they've been bent for years...


matching set with the pollies methinks! :Pokey:

[Toaster]

Saw a bit about tazers on the fuckwit media called TV, fuckin' ding-a-lings, wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire..

So "there were 7 officers there yet the Tazer was used"

My thoughts: Yeah so 8 people were saved from serious injury.

MY thoughts: Shoot more losers - then the bleeding-heart greenie soft-cock losers would start to think the tazer was not so bad after all.:yeah:

I wonder how many front-line cops think the Tazer is not a good thing???

Simply music to my ears. I just wish the police would focus more on retaining good experienced mature officers instead of hiring children with no life experience from the "me" generation.