Cops that use bribery?

[gypsy]

My other half got pulled over for speeding on his soft tail last week. He was doing 147 km on back road on his way to work, (he assures me there was no other traffic on that long stretch of road!!) The cop told him that if he hadnt stopped he would have rammed him off the road. (Asshole) Well any way to cut a long story short, the cop said that if he could give him some dirt on any one he would lower his ticket to 130 km!!. My other half said "F**k mate, I,m a dad with 2 kids, Ive got my lunch on the back and Im on my way to work", the cop told him he would lower the ticket but had his number and would call him if he ever needed a favour!!!!!!!!!. I have a few mates in the piggy force an checked with them on this, according to them he was bloody lucky the ticket was lowered, and they thought maybe the cop had mistaken him for someone else. Im thankful his ticket was lowered but cant believe they can be so slimmy. I dont know any one who would dish out dirt (nark) on any one to get there ticket lowered.

[Boob Johnson]

The NZ police force is well regarded as one of the most honest police forces in the world.


Were a blessed nation in many ways, this is one of them :hug:

[Bren]

After all the bullshit thats gone down with them rape charges against various pigs I don't trust them now....they have lost their credibility and are on a slippery slope....what other cover-ups don't we know about?????....Pigs are Pigs....!!!

[TLMAN]

YAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!

Another cop bashing thread!!

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[HDTboy]

Your husband will have the cop's details on the ticket. Why not call the PCA?

[sidecar bob]

Your husband will have the cop's details on the ticket. Why not call the PCA?

But then why kick a guys ass for lowering a ticket? If dad of two been done for the full amount the bike wouldda been impounded for 28 days & he wudda been beating the feet pending losing his licence.
People should just count their blessings & STFU.

[RantyDave]

Your husband will have the cop's details on the ticket. Why not call the PCA?
Exactly. You're not the only one wanting to kick this fine individual's arse.

Dave

[McJim]

If your friend riding the Harley is a patched gang member there is a possibilty that he could sue the officer for defamation of character. There are only 3 kinds of Harley riders to the best of my knowledge: Accountants, Lawyers and Patched Gang members. Accountants and Lawyers are generally as crooked as a 6 dollar note so it's obvious the officer mistook your friend for one of these.:rofl: (P/T)

[Grahameeboy]

I would just be grateful you got a ticket for 130 kph and avoid further trouble with cops...........the cops sounds odd but perhaps riding a Harley he thought there was a mob connection so was trying to be a detective...........plus he still didn't do you for 147kph when you gave a negative response.

[Grahameeboy]

If your friend riding the Harley is a patched gang member there is a possibilty that he could sue the officer for defamation of character. There are only 3 kinds of Harley riders to the best of my knowledge: Accountants, Lawyers and Patched Gang members. Accountants and Lawyers are generally as crooked as a 6 dollar note so it's obvious the officer mistook your friend for one of these.:rofl: (P/T)

That is spooky given my post below yours Jamie....

"My Daughter is a Pumpkin Patch member and she has never been given a ticket"

[sidecar bob]

Two things are wrong with this story
1. a Harley pulling 147kmh.
2. A cop reducing a ticket.
I smell a rat.

[Grahameeboy]

Two things are wrong with this story
1. a Harley pulling 147kmh.

It was on the back of a trailer

2. A cop reducing a ticket.

He was not sure whether it was the towing vehicle or the Harley that was doing 147kph so knew it may not stick in Court.

I smell a pratt..........................

[peasea]

Why not call the PCA?



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arrrrrrr

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha.

[peasea]

If your friend riding the Harley is a patched gang member there is a possibilty that he could sue the officer for defamation of character. There are only 3 kinds of Harley riders to the best of my knowledge: Accountants, Lawyers and Patched Gang members. Accountants and Lawyers are generally as crooked as a 6 dollar note so it's obvious the officer mistook your friend for one of these.:rofl: (P/T)

You forgot journo's. Me, for example.

[peasea]

YAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!

Another cop bashing thread!!

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No, no, it's turned into a Harley bashing thread.

[scumdog]

To get this incident put into the 'storm in a tea-cup' catagory would be require a considerable elevation of its true value.....

[Patrick]

he was bloody lucky the ticket was lowered, and they thought maybe the cop had mistaken him for someone else. Im thankful his ticket was lowered but cant believe they can be so slimmy. I dont know any one who would dish out dirt (nark) on any one to get there ticket lowered.

Support your local drug dealer, receiver, burglar, etc then and say nothing...

Would have been a $630 instant fine and immediate loss of licence for 28 days...

You would be surprised at just what people will give up just to save their own arse.

As for ramming him off the road? Dumbarse!! Needs to think about how a manslaughter charge (or murder) would stick on his arse if it all went wrong (and ramming a motorbike off a road would go all wrong).


The NZ police force is well regarded as one of the most honest police forces in the world. Were a blessed nation in many ways, this is one of them :hug:

How was it dishonest? It was lowered and he didn't get any info for it. Yep, lowering it... the lying good for nothing dishonest bastard.


After all the bullshit thats gone down with them rape charges against various pigs I don't trust them now....they have lost their credibility and are on a slippery slope....what other cover-ups don't we know about?????....Pigs are Pigs....!!!

All four or five of them in the last 20 years... good one linux...:tugger: haven't heard that one before...

Cover up? They have been charged and most are inside already. Those that aren't inside ... yet... time will tell. No one wants to work with them...


You forgot journo's. Me, for example.

Bloody journos... the root of all that is evil... "get a gun and shoot them..." (heard that somewhere.... in some other thread... Peasea??)

[pritch]

Have I got this right? Somebody is complaining about getting their ticket lowered?

[scracha]

the cop told him he would lower the ticket but had his number and would call him if he ever needed a favour!!!!!!!!!.

Did said copper wink and lip his lips when he said this? Honestly, I dunno why he's complaining. We're all bitching about the fuzz not being able to use discretion, well this one did. Good for him for showing some initiative to try and catch the "real criminals".

[Donor]

Quite frankly I'm pissed with the cop for not stinging him for as much as he should have.

Thank the gods dad of two (DOT) didn't meet another DOT coming the other way leaving one or both families as two of none...

Don't give a shit how good DOT is or isn't, there are other morons on the road, and traffic can change in the blink of an eye.

Tell DOT to slow the fuck down and shut the hell up, then count his goddam blessings.

[McJim]

You would be surprised at just what people will give up just to save their own arse.

I beg to differ - I have been known in the past to stand up in court as a witness to a crime - I wasn't being charged with anything either so in effect I was a 'Nark' without doing it to save my own arse.

I wonder what that makes me?:Pokey:

If everyone reported every crime they witnessed and testified you'd be amazed how nice New Zealand could become!

[imdying]

Why not call the PCA?I'm guessing they only deal with things that actually happened?

[Skyryder]

I beg to differ - I have been known in the past to stand up in court as a witness to a crime - I wasn't being charged with anything either so in effect I was a 'Nark' without doing it to save my own arse.

I wonder what that makes me?:Pokey:

Someone doing the right thing.

Skyryder

[Fatjim]

Two things are wrong with this story
1. a Harley pulling 147kmh.
2. A cop reducing a ticket.
I smell a rat.

Well I topped out an '07 fatboy at just below 160k indicated. Thats probably around 147k, no defense there.

That fatboy was just a tad quicker than my 105e Anglia. although the Anglia would roll less in the corners :)

[Max Preload]

If everyone reported every crime they witnessed and testified you'd be amazed how nice New Zealand could become!

Sounds more like Fairy Tale Land than New Zealand. People stopped reporting crime because the Police stopped investigating it - they have different priorities these days. Why should we be expected to live in our houses without touching anything for 3 days after a burglary on the off chance the cops will actually turn up, after they're called?

[Renegade]

Sounds more like Fairy Tale Land than New Zealand. People stopped reporting crime because the Police stopped investigating it - they have different priorities these days. Why should we be expected to live in our houses without touching anything for 3 days after a burglary on the off chance the cops will actually turn up, after they're called?

or maybe if the community helped out to catch said burglar that was more than likely working over an area it would dramaticly reduce the offence rate and the "3 day wait" and i assume you are talking about auckland here.

As for the ticket saga i dont beleive it, i reckon cops these days are to busy covering their own arse from the political nightmare that consumes the now PC police organisation which in turn is choking the life out of the average coppers ability to get the job done due to cry babies who feel hard done by when they offend, its not like people dont know whats coming to them when they do whatever it is their doing at the time.

people should just harden up, do what they oughta and get on with it.

[scumdog]

Sounds more like Fairy Tale Land than New Zealand. People stopped reporting crime because the Police stopped investigating it - they have different priorities these days. Why should we be expected to live in our houses without touching anything for 3 days after a burglary on the off chance the cops will actually turn up, after they're called?

You have of course lobbied you local MP etc on this problem? Might get action, might not.
Posting on KB ceratainly won't.

[craigs288]

By a Harley going 147km/h.
The cop should have given him an award for having the nuts to wring the neck off the softtail and being able to approach that kind of speed.

DOT should have known better. Empty road, early morning, of course the only other vehicle on the road is a policeman(person).
He should have known the only time to speed safely is when there is other traffic so the radar cannot get a clear tone and lock on to you.

More to the point, why the hurry to get to work when he had an empty road and a bike between his thighs?

[idb]

Sounds like The Godfather in uniform to me.
"I am happy to do this thing for you...but the day might come that I ask you to do me favour in return"
It all sounds perfectly reasonable to me...if your partner was uncomfortable about it he should have refused to accept the lesser ticket and then reoprted the cop.
Personally, being a man of low moral standards, I would have done what he did.

[scumdog]

More to the point, why the hurry to get to work when he had an empty road and a bike between his thighs?

As a cruiser rider myself I thought exactly the same...

[sAsLEX]

Quite frankly I'm pissed with the cop for not stinging him for as much as he should have.

Thank the gods dad of two (DOT) didn't meet another DOT coming the other way leaving one or both families as two of none...

Don't give a shit how good DOT is or isn't, there are other morons on the road, and traffic can change in the blink of an eye.

Tell DOT to slow the fuck down and shut the hell up, then count his goddam blessings.

Why is 147 dangerous? ok its faster than the allowed limit, but traffic goes faster than that all the time on the MW over here without problem.....


If the limit was 150 would you day the same thing or are you too accustomed to the 100 is safe 101 is murderous drivel that the govt spouts at us?

[Taz]

Ive never had any problems with the police. When I've been handed a ticket I've definately deserved it. Been let off with a warning a few times. Have always been treated courteously and have treated them the same and have never bothered with excuses (they've heard them all you know and it makes no difference) If caught speeding etc just be an adult and accept that you were caught breaking the law by one whose job it is to enforce those laws. If you find the laws unjust become a politician and push for change. Otherwise just be glad that the fine was reduced to 130 and pay up.
Rant over.
Andy.

[Swoop]

Why is 147 dangerous? ok its faster than the allowed limit, but traffic goes faster than that all the time on the MW over here without problem.....

If the limit was 150 would you day the same thing or are you too accustomed to the 100 is safe 101 is murderous drivel that the govt spouts at us?
That is part of the problem. Some people believe what the gubbinment forces you to constantly hear.

Also, pointing out simple facts like drivers from other countries actually KNOW how to drive, and do so sensibly, will fall on deaf NZ gubbinment ears.
[/rant]

[Max Preload]

or maybe if the community helped out to catch said burglar that was more than likely working over an area it would dramaticly reduce the offence rate and the "3 day wait" and i assume you are talking about auckland here.

You're not allowed to "take the law into your own hands" - the criminals have more rights than victims. Besides, that's not the job I'm paid to do - that's one of the reasons why we pay taxes. Yes - I'm talking about Auckland but I don't expect it's much different anywhere elses. Luke Donnelly and Paul McIntyre certainly didn't have great experiences of Police response to complaints and they weren't in Auckland.


You have of course lobbied you local MP etc on this problem? Might get action, might not.
Posting on KB ceratainly won't.

You're a funny guy. You think the politicians don't know people aren't happy with the current Police performance or any number of other things? Any time spent lobbying those self-serving bastards is time wasted.

[Tank]

After all the bullshit thats gone down with them rape charges against various pigs I don't trust them now....they have lost their credibility and are on a slippery slope....what other cover-ups don't we know about?????....Pigs are Pigs....!!!

Yeah right ! - Thats why when someone comes rapes your wife you simply say - "Well no point calling the pigs is there".

A few bad apples does not ruin the entire police force. But this is typical small minded, hop on a pathetic bandwagon thinking. The vast majority of police are there because they want to help the community and put up with more crap in a week from people than most of us will get in a lifetime in our jobs.

The cop used his initative and dropped the fine to the 130 limit probally because it was a clear road etc. I would believe that the rest is simply bullshit by your mate to make a "better" story.

He broke the law - got caught and got cut some slack - he should be thanking the guy not moaning his ass off.

[Patrick]

Have I got this right? Somebody is complaining about getting their ticket lowered?

Yep... strange and fickle world, this KB land...


I beg to differ - I have been known in the past to stand up in court as a witness to a crime - I wasn't being charged with anything either so in effect I was a 'Nark' without doing it to save my own arse.

I wonder what that makes me?:Pokey:

If everyone reported every crime they witnessed and testified you'd be amazed how nice New Zealand could become!

A decent sort... one of those who might not even get a ticket perhaps... As Skyrider siad, "Someone doing the right thing..." is what you are.


Why is 147 dangerous?

or are you too accustomed to the 100 is safe 101 is murderous drivel that the govt spouts at us?

Its not... that is why it is still an instant fine... (unless in a 50 k zone past a school...) As for 101 being dangerous, I must have miised that call at my Snaking 101 course...


Also, pointing out simple facts like drivers from other countries actually KNOW how to drive, and do so sensibly, will fall on deaf NZ gubbinment ears.
[/rant]

They also have better roads...


(1) You're not allowed to "take the law into your own hands" -

(2) Yes - I'm talking about Auckland but I don't expect it's much different anywhere elses.

(3) Luke Donnelly and Paul McIntyre

(4) You think the politicians don't know people aren't happy with the current Police performance or any number of other things? Any time spent lobbying those self-serving bastards is time wasted.

1, no you're not, but you are allowed to restrain a burglar til the cops arrive, not beat the living shit out of him (although thatis what they actually deserve... sigh...)

2. Different down here. Its the home owners who put it off usually coz they are going fishing, whitebaiting, work, whatever...

3. Luke and Paul?

4. Still in the top 10 professions of customer satisfaction, but you can't please everyone... and who knows what can be achieved if someone actually talked to those self serving bastards... not many actually have talked to them (and for good reason... who would want to? But having to is different...).

[peasea]

Bloody journos... the root of all that is evil... "get a gun and shoot them..." (heard that somewhere.... in some other thread... Peasea??)


Other 'threads' plural. It's the answer to all cop bashing threads, don't you know?

Actually, I don't even LIKE guns. They're always falling into the wrong hands.....

[peasea]

Yeah right ! -

He broke the law - got caught and got cut some slack - he should be thanking the guy not moaning his ass off.

Couldn't agree more. I'm more inclined to take it on the chin and get off the gas when I'm cut some slack, but it hasn't happened for a few years. The last time it did I was exceeding 80kph on the Akd Hrbr bridge approaches. When the ticket was handed to me for a damn sight less than I'd done I actually thanked the guy for his leniency. I didn't moan about that one and rode home without any more speeding. Positive policing in action.

[Virago]

Couldn't agree more. I'm more inclined to take it on the chin and get off the gas when I'm cut some slack, but it hasn't happened for a few years. The last time it did I was exceeding 80kph on the Akd Hrbr bridge approaches. When the ticket was handed to me for a damn sight less than I'd done I actually thanked the guy for his leniency. I didn't moan about that one and rode home without any more speeding. Positive policing in action.

OMG! Actual common sense - on KB! :thud: :msn-wink:

[sAsLEX]

They also have better roads...



A and B roads are not better if not worse than allot of New Zealand roads, and the Motorways are not that different to New Zealand roads.


New Zealand also like heavily policing our good roads for speed...... Hamilton Expressway when it opened had two speed traps on it.....

[Max Preload]

New Zealand also like heavily policing our good roads for speed...... Hamilton Expressway when it opened had two speed traps on it.....

I too have always found it a little curious how the roads that are actually better and safer too 'speed' on get hammered. Like the speed camera van in the middle of the passing lane south of Maramarua on Friday.

[peasea]

OMG! Actual common sense - on KB! :thud: :msn-wink:

I'm doing my best to ensure it doesn't happen again, okay?

[peasea]

I too have always found it a little curious how the roads that are actually better and safer too 'speed' on get hammered. Like the speed camera van in the middle of the passing lane south of Maramarua on Friday.

Kaaaa-ching!
(Vision of Arkwright in blue uniform....)

[Patrick]

I too have always found it a little curious how the roads that are actually better and safer too 'speed' on get hammered. Like the speed camera van in the middle of the passing lane south of Maramarua on Friday.

Ahhh... the killing fields of anywhere in Maramarua..... that whole highway is a loooonnnnggggg piece of black spot.....

[Max Preload]

Ahhh... the killing fields of anywhere in Maramarua..... that whole highway is a loooonnnnggggg piece of black spot.....

I know plenty of idiots die along there but I find it difficult to blame the road... which leaves only bad driver. I have no problem with that section of road - there are no off camber or tightening bends and there's good visibility when there's no fog.

[675trippy]

i'd be bloody tempted to flick said coppa 20 bucks for the let off. Consider DOT very friggin lucky any idea how much it would have cost to retrieve bike from pound and then the fine on top of that stop your moaning and thank your lucky stars.

[gypsy]

Yeah right ! - Thats why when someone comes rapes your wife you simply say - "Well no point calling the pigs is there".

A few bad apples does not ruin the entire police force. But this is typical small minded, hop on a pathetic bandwagon thinking. The vast majority of police are there because they want to help the community and put up with more crap in a week from people than most of us will get in a lifetime in our jobs.

The cop used his initative and dropped the fine to the 130 limit probally because it was a clear road etc. I would believe that the rest is simply bullshit by your mate to make a "better" story.

He broke the law - got caught and got cut some slack - he should be thanking the guy not moaning his ass off.

My husband aint moaning his ass off, I am moaning my ass off, an not because he got a ticket, big deal, so what, you speed (and get caught) you get a ticket. Happens to all of us at some stage (if were unlucky). What Im moaning my ass off about is that the cop wanted him to dish dirt out on someone to get ticket lowered. Maybe you would dish out dirt on someone you knew but my hubby wont, unless its detrimental to someones life. He got pulled for F****n speeding, there was no need for the interogation on dishing out dirt. In my eyes, if you get caught speeding, you get a ticket, and always a lecture on speeding an go on your merry (speed limit, or lower) way. Oh and I can assure you if any one raped one of my daughters, i would shoot the bastard myself!!!!! My taxes pay for those resorts that are called prison.

[Renegade]

My husband aint moaning his ass off, I am moaning my ass off, an not because he got a ticket, big deal, so what, you speed (and get caught) you get a ticket. Happens to all of us at some stage (if were unlucky). What Im moaning my ass off about is that the cop wanted him to dish dirt out on someone to get ticket lowered. Maybe you would dish out dirt on someone you knew but my hubby wont, unless its detrimental to someones life. He got pulled for F****n speeding, there was no need for the interogation on dishing out dirt. In my eyes, if you get caught speeding, you get a ticket, and always a lecture on speeding an go on your merry (speed limit, or lower) way. Oh and I can assure you if any one raped one of my daughters, i would shoot the bastard myself!!!!! My taxes pay for those resorts that are called prison.

Arnt YOU glad hubby didnt lose his license, get the bike impounded, a $600+ ticket plus the $400 to get it out of impound???? mistaken identity maybe?? :whocares: what the coppa said!!

[Patrick]

I know plenty of idiots die along there but I find it difficult to blame the road... which leaves only bad driver. I have no problem with that section of road - there are no off camber or tightening bends and there's good visibility when there's no fog.

Roads are actually quite good, but yeah, the idiot drivers usually getting it wrong, and the vast majority because of speed. The snakes hammer it often for the idiot speeder all the time.


i'd be bloody tempted to flick said coppa 20 bucks for the let off. Consider DOT very friggin lucky any idea how much it would have cost to retrieve bike from pound and then the fine on top of that stop your moaning and thank your lucky stars.

No money needed... don't go there:nono: He only wanted some info on some local scrote... Not a bad deal really...

[Tank]

Arnt YOU glad hubby didnt lose his license, get the bike impounded, a $600+ ticket plus the $400 to get it out of impound???? mistaken identity maybe?? :whocares: what the coppa said!!


Ditto - except I dont believe that the coppa said that.

[sAsLEX]

the vast majority because of speed.

hmmmm any proof of this?

Sincere question as it seems any crash is put down to speed in the stats rather than inattention, poor maintenance, terrible skill, or just plain stupidity.

[Patrick]

hmmmm any proof of this?

Sincere question as it seems any crash is put down to speed in the stats rather than inattention, poor maintenance, terrible skill, or just plain stupidity.

Yep... picked up the pieces, or received in the mortuary, of what was once a human, torn apart because of the SPEED.

There are photos too, but not ideal family viewing...

But yeah, inattention, shite skill and stupidity probably contributed too... Maintenance wasn't a problem in the ones I know of, all cars were good condition.

[Tank]

My husband aint moaning his ass off, I am moaning my ass off, an not because he got a ticket, big deal, so what, you speed (and get caught) you get a ticket. Happens to all of us at some stage (if were unlucky). What Im moaning my ass off about is that the cop wanted him to dish dirt out on someone to get ticket lowered.

So instead of moaning why not stand up and fight it. Call the complaints line tell them the truth that he was driving at 147 take the ticket, fine, impounded bike, loss of licence
big deal, so what and take the cop to task.

So - do you have the morals and fortitude to stand up for what you believe in or are you just going to moan about it?


Maybe you would dish out dirt on someone you knew but my hubby wont, unless its detrimental to someones life.

As for this being detrimental to someones life - they are not looking for other speeders or people who have littered. The people that are being dobbed in have done something that caused harm (emotional / physical / financial) to others - I have sympathy to the victims not the offenders.

Would I ever dob people in - I did as recently as yesterday (I *555'ed his ass) - I assume that you find that poor behaviour as well?

[Sanx]

To get this incident put into the 'storm in a tea-cup' catagory would be require a considerable elevation of its true value.....

Now now :rolleyes:


Sounds more like Fairy Tale Land than New Zealand. People stopped reporting crime because the Police stopped investigating it - they have different priorities these days. Why should we be expected to live in our houses without touching anything for 3 days after a burglary on the off chance the cops will actually turn up, after they're called?

The first time I got burgled (loss in excess of $12,000) it took five days for the cops to turn up. The second time, it took about 20 minutes from the discovery of the theft (loss about $250) but only because when I reported the theft, the dispatcher must have got a little worried when I said the sole item taken was an air pistol. When the cops turned up, they were under the impression it was a real firearm.


Roads are actually quite good, but yeah, the idiot drivers usually getting it wrong, and the vast majority because of speed. The snakes hammer it often for the idiot speeder all the time.

Patrick, I usually agree with what you say (especially when some prick makes an assumption that because Clint Rickards was accused of rape, the whole Police force is made up of rapists) but that statement is complete bollocks.

Going faster than the speed limit does not cause crashes. Inappropriate speed can cause crashes, and the faster one goes, the more serious the accident is likely to be. The LTSA are complicit in this deception as they lump both definitions of speeding together and refuse to provide accident statistics for each individually. Although my knowledge of what goes on in NZ is a little sketchy I do know something of what goes on in the UK, where the figures for serious accidents attributed to speeding are pretty similar.

Over there, 'speeding' gets attributed as a cause of an accident automatically if any vehicle involved in the accident is adjudged to have been going faster than the speed limit. My dad's best friend and business partner's fatal accident was put down to him speeding. It was estimated that he was doing 37mph in a 30mph zone. Straight road, perfect visibility and some blind bitch in an Remuera tractor pulls out of a side road five metres ahead of him. It wasn't the fact the woman was not paying the slightest bit of attention or didn't even glance in the direction of oncoming traffic - no, it was because he was speeding.

Practically every fatal accident report in the newspaper I see here has the same thing; "speed may have been a factor in the accident". It's an automatic response to say that if the person was going faster than the limit, it was the fact they were speeding that led to the accident. What complete and utter shite. A few years ago, TRL in the UK did a study of accidents over a six month period across the country. They re-examined the causes of accidents and the findings weren't very popular with the powers that be. Amongst the top causes of accidents were inattention, failure to give way, inappropriate speed and drunk driving. Exceeding the speed limit came a pretty long way down the list, being found to be the causal factor in just 3% of crashes and a contributory factor in 7%. Not quite the 33% the government at the time were claiming.

For the last six years, this country's heard nothing but 'speed kills'. This has done nothing but harm to the state of driving in this country as now the majority of drivers think that provided they're doing under the speed limit, they're driving safely; no matter if they happen to be putting on make-up, drinking coffee, adjusting the stereo, texting their friend and shouting at the kids - simultaneously. Whilst it's true that Police don't set the policy, they have bee complicit in this message and are therefore as guilty as the government and LTSA for the reversal of the year on year decrease in the road toll that had been evident since 1990.

[/rant]

You know - I should save this message. I'll no doubt be using it again in the vain hope that someone might actually listen...

[skidMark]

i once got done 94 in a 50 and had a wee bribe with said officer....

got him to drop the speed to 80 something so it put me on 95 demerits, then he gave me another fine (containing no demerits) to make up for it, $600 driving in a manner liable to cause damage.

sm

[Sniper]

i once got done 94 in a 50 and had a wee bribe with said officer....

got him to drop the speed to 80 something so it put me on 95 demerits, then he gave me another fine (containing no demerits) to make up for it, $600 driving in a manner liable to cause damage.

sm

My understanding is that all speeding related fines carry demerits, wether the officer does or does not note it.

Could be wrong though

[Tank]

I think he was saying that the other fine was for something that did not carry demerits, not speeding. The value of which equaled what he would have paid for the full speeding ticket.

C

[skidMark]

I think he was saying that the other fine was for something that did not carry demerits, not speeding. The value of which equaled what he would have paid for the full speeding ticket.

C


you learn quickly young padawan yesssss :cool:

[Max Preload]

you learn quickly young padawan yesssss :cool:

The same could not be said for you... :lol:

[Patrick]

Patrick, I usually agree with what you say (especially when some prick makes an assumption that because Clint Rickards was accused of rape, the whole Police force is made up of rapists) but that statement is complete bollocks.

Going faster than the speed limit does not cause crashes. ...

Gotta disagree with ya there fella...

Stuff the stats, I am talking about what actually happened. Usually falling off a bend, losing control into oncoming traffic or at the end of a passing lane merging back into one... the HUGE skid marks in all of them say "speed is clearly a factor."

Simple really...

[Renegade]

Gotta disagree with ya there fella...

Stuff the stats, I am talking about what actually happened. Usually falling off a bend, losing control into oncoming traffic or at the end of a passing lane merging back into one... the HUGE skid marks in all of them say "speed is clearly a factor."

Simple really...

its true,measure the rubber marks and it equals to fast for whatever they were up to, otherwise they wouldnt have braked would they?

[Max Preload]

Usually falling off a bend, losing control into oncoming traffic or at the end of a passing lane merging back into one... the HUGE skid marks in all of them say "speed is clearly a factor."

Speed might be a factor (regardless of whether it's above of below the posted limit), but outright shit and inconsiderate driving is a much more heavily weighted factor in my driving experience.

In the merging passing lane scenario there are a number of issues... assholes who speed up for passing lanes despite having been driving at ridiculously low speeds for no apparent reason prior to them... people not pulling left immediately after passing... people using the entire passing lane to pass one vehicle... not checking for passing cars before pulling right to merge... basically being completely ignorant of the existance of everyone around them.

How many people do you know who button off immediately (not radically, just an easing of speed) when someone signals their intention to overtake them? I do - always. As far as I'm concerned the less distance it takes for them to overtake me, the safer I'll be because if they wreck doing it they'll be further away from me when it happens. :2thumbsup

[Max Preload]

its true,measure the rubber marks and it equals to fast for whatever they were up to, otherwise they wouldnt have braked would they?

Or something completely unforseen occured. An oncoming car decided to overtake, someone pulled out of a driveway without looking etc.

[Renegade]

Or something completely unforseen occured. An oncoming car decided to overtake, someone pulled out of a driveway without looking etc.

length of skid marks get calculated into a speed in kph Vs road surface friction etc

[Sanx]

length of skid marks get calculated into a speed in kph Vs road surface friction etc

And how many modern cars actually skid in a straight line? You know, as opposed to stopping quickly with ABS preventing wheels from locking up and leaving big black marks.

[Renegade]

And how many modern cars actually skid in a straight line? You know, as opposed to stopping quickly with ABS preventing wheels from locking up and leaving big black marks.

leaves black hop marks where it locks and unlocks but yes it does shorten the braking distance however i thinkthere maybe a mathmatical equation to work it out, those serious crash guys have all the toys.

[scracha]

pulled for F****n speeding, there was no need for the interogation on dishing out dirt. In my eyes, if you get caught speeding, you get a ticket, and always a lecture on speeding an go on your merry (speed limit, or lower) way.

No offence but I think you're nuts. I totally agree with the coppers intentions and I'm glad he was able to use discretion (something I believed coppers over here weren't allowed to use) and let your old man off. I totally disagree that if you get caught speeding you should always get a ticket.

Admit it gypsy, this thread is just one big trollfest?

[davereid]

In the merging passing lane scenario there are a number of issues... assholes who speed up for passing lanes despite having been driving at ridiculously low speeds for no apparent reason prior to them...


Yep, happened to me yesterday on the passing lane between Sanson & Feilding.. moved into the right hand lane to pass a large but unladen truck, that had been doing 80km/hr.. was doing 140 by the end of the lane as the guy just kept on accelerating. Had a Holden behind me, so chose not to back off, but a very irritating event.

[Max Preload]

Yep, happened to me yesterday on the passing lane between Sanson & Feilding..

It's like a NZ cultural thing - so many people just hate the thought of being passed!

There was a clown in a Jag doing exactly this a few years ago between Auckland and Hamilton (before the expressway). I was on my VF1000R and was in no hurry so I followed him at a fair distance for the amusement. After Taupiri I decided to catch him up so that when we arrived at the passing lane southbound into Ngaruawahia I was at a normal following distance and then gently accelerated to pass him. He accelerated. I accelerated some more. He accelerated some more. I think you know where this is going...

Long story short, by the end of the passing lane I had this prick, who'd been holding people up driving at 70-80km/h on single lane stretches of SH1 and then accelerating to about 120km/h in the passing lanes, doing just under the ton only to try and prevent me from passing!

Just before the end I nailed it and got in front of him then dawdled all the way to Hamilton in front of him. I hope his blood boiled. :clap:

[more_fasterer]

That comes as no surprise... I had it happen before, but with a mufti cop! :oi-grr:

I was behind a silver maxima that was travelling at 80-90km/h on Sh1 between taupo & tokoroa on a beautiful waitangi day, got to the passing lane, accelerated to 110km/h and the prick accelerated to stay right beside me! So I accelerated to 120km/h and got in front of him... at which point he stuck his red & blues on, giving me a ticket for 121km/h. Bastard. :bash:

[mstriumph]

I too have always found it a little curious how the roads that are actually better and safer too 'speed' on get hammered. Like the speed camera van in the middle of the passing lane south of Maramarua on Friday. ----- that good surface - it's to sucker ya in baybeeeeee!! :msn-wink:

[Max Preload]

----- that good surface - it's to sucker ya in baybeeeeee!! :msn-wink:

Doesn't work though. I've only had one speed camera ticket, and that was between Cambridge and Hamilton in early '99 during the hidden camera period. I guess I'm just too observant for them... :2thumbsup

[marty]

It's like a NZ cultural thing - so many people just hate the thought of being passed!

. :clap:

actually, he was probably doing the sensible thing and using the bike as bait for a possible HP car around the corner.

speeding 101 - always have someone in your lane between you and the next oncoming car. (advice from someone who knows)

[Toaster]

My other half got pulled over for speeding on his soft tail last week. He was doing 147 km on back road on his way to work, (he assures me there was no other traffic on that long stretch of road!!) The cop told him that if he hadnt stopped he would have rammed him off the road. (Asshole) Well any way to cut a long story short, the cop said that if he could give him some dirt on any one he would lower his ticket to 130 km!!. My other half said "F**k mate, I,m a dad with 2 kids, Ive got my lunch on the back and Im on my way to work", the cop told him he would lower the ticket but had his number and would call him if he ever needed a favour!!!!!!!!!. I have a few mates in the piggy force an checked with them on this, according to them he was bloody lucky the ticket was lowered, and they thought maybe the cop had mistaken him for someone else. Im thankful his ticket was lowered but cant believe they can be so slimmy. I dont know any one who would dish out dirt (nark) on any one to get there ticket lowered.

Defend the ticket..... the speed the cop lowered it to cannot be upheald in Court as it was not the speed your partner was doing. Police have been told they were to cease that practice as it was clearly wrong to do so. Oh and he also has no right under the rules of pursuit etc to be able to run a bike off the road merely for a speed offence.

Given that he was asking for dirt I assume some MC connection there possibly? hmmm?

[Toaster]

That comes as no surprise... I had it happen before, but with a mufti cop! :oi-grr:

I was behind a silver maxima that was travelling at 80-90km/h on Sh1 between taupo & tokoroa on a beautiful waitangi day, got to the passing lane, accelerated to 110km/h and the prick accelerated to stay right beside me! So I accelerated to 120km/h and got in front of him... at which point he stuck his red & blues on, giving me a ticket for 121km/h. Bastard. :bash:

So he was exceeding the speed limit prior to activating the red and blue lights? Again a breach of policy for urgent duty driving tisk tisk. 'Baiting' could possibly work as a defence.

[inlinefour]

To get this incident put into the 'storm in a tea-cup' catagory would be require a considerable elevation of its true value.....

Had a bit of thought about what would have happened if this happened to me. All I can come up with is I'd be ever so thankfull that the ticket had been lowered and I had not had to kiss my licience and bike goodbye.
At the end of the day, the rider was breaking the law. The fact that the rider was asked to help dish out the dirt is irrelevant. I was stopped on the CBR several times during the first couple of thousand KM and asked if I knew such & such. I just looked at the officer and each time said sorry I don't. I was even stopped once buy an officer who actually thought I was such & such. Funny thing is I do know who it was they was after, but they did not know that. End of story really. :done:

[Max Preload]

actually, he was probably doing the sensible thing and using the bike as bait for a possible HP car around the corner.

That doesn't work when the other vehicle is behind you...

[roogazza]

actually, he was probably doing the sensible thing and using the bike as bait for a possible HP car around the corner.

To true marty ! I own a sports car and a bike and you wouldn't believe the numbers of wankers that don't like being passed !! The trick is to get them in front at the right moment in the hope a Yellow and Blue is round the corner !!!!! Sadistic I know ! G.

[Pixie]

Now now :rolleyes:



The first time I got burgled (loss in excess of $12,000) it took five days for the cops to turn up. The second time, it took about 20 minutes from the discovery of the theft (loss about $250) but only because when I reported the theft, the dispatcher must have got a little worried when I said the sole item taken was an air pistol.

Ah ha.
I see a cunning tactic forming.

To get a quick response from the cops to a burglary, you mention that a gun was stolen.When the cops arrive and ask about it you say you meant you son's water pistol.

Stick a tail on it and call it a weasel

[caesius]

Ah ha.
I see a cunning tactic forming.

To get a quick response from the cops to a burglary, you mention that a gun was stolen.When the cops arrive and ask about it you say you meant you son's water pistol.

Stick a tail on it and call it a weasel

Brilliant. Maybe that lass who got a "police issue" taxi long ago could have tried some variation on this.

[pritch]

I was stopped on the CBR several times during the first couple of thousand KM and asked if I knew such & such. I just looked at the officer and each time said sorry I don't. I was even stopped once buy an officer who actually thought I was such & such. Funny thing is I do know who it was they was after, but they did not know that.

They do now :rolleyes:

In a former life I was pulled over and asked to remove my helmet and then my balaclava. I was told, "Sorry wrong guy."

Who knows wtf that sort of thing is about...

[Goblin]

Brilliant. Maybe that lass who got a "police issue" taxi long ago could have tried some variation on this.Now there's an idea. Next time some depressed, highly medicated young lady needs help they can send rickards in his new wheels to "deal" with her.:whistle:

[caesius]

Now there's an idea. Next time some depressed, highly medicated young lady needs help they can send rickards in his new wheels to "deal" with her.

Nah, he works best in a team doesn't he?

[texasGOLD]

Hey guys I think theres been a big misunderstanding and a waste of a cop bashing thread, not that I'm sexist, but its his female partner reporting her version of his version of events, she is a female, and obviously stil working through simple thought processing issues. I'm sure the partner (riding his harley) wasn't spinning conspiracy theories about cops, bribery etc. and more than happy to take a 130 over loss of licence, if any of this hapened at all.

[avgas]

Everything in life has 20% assholes, i don't believe that the cops don't have their pricks in the force.
As for paying to get a ticket lowered. Yep i would - get caught over 150 and your dead. Of course that brings up the topic of if you see flashing lights at 150+ on a bike do you stop - but that is discussed on other threads, so no point in refreshing it again.
I wouldnt. Run and Hide is my motto in that situation - but then again i am a moron so dont-do-what-donny-does.
So yes - corrupt cops in NZ, no doubt, worth worrying about - not really.
Its a part of life, you either deal with it and learn from it, or stew it over until you too become corrupt.