Self control...

[skidMark]

Hey all, well here goes i know you will probably all shoot me down in flames but what the hell i need to sort this out.

Does have any tips for keeping yourself under control while out riding, and no i'm not going to do ride right ride safe or any of that crap.

I just mean going along in traffic and cars going along in 50 kph zones at 60 ish, and resisting the urge to pass them, giving up the boredom i guess...

Has Anybody had similar problems in thier youth that they found easy solutions for, thanks in advance.

I have to get myself under control.

Regards: Mark

[Hitcher]

Don't wear any protective clothing other than a helmet. You don't want to break the law, now do you?

[justsomeguy]

Does have any tips for keeping yourself under control while out riding, and no i'm not going to do ride right ride safe or any of that crap.

You just want some attention eh? Stop posting threads if you don't mean what you say.

[0arbreaka]

I have to get myself under control.

You could start by taking your ritalin.

And for the prick who red rep'd me (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=946271&postcount=18)

[sunhuntin]

You just want some attention eh? Stop posting threads if you don't mean what you say.

agreed.

8 9 10 chars!!

[Maha]

Maturity helps...!

[Wasp]

i have this problem occasionally - having the 636 made it worse especially because of that bikes specific reputation (ive twisted the throttle open and let rip a few times)

i just remember that theres no point in speeding - you get there faster? so what are you in a hurry for?

say you take a trip - 100 ks at 100km/h, if you do an average of 110 km/h over that hour how much sooner did you reach your destination? (figure it out)

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yep you have to travel for an hour just to earn a coffee :)


you could try moving out of auckland to a less congested city if you think its caused by the traffic

or you could save it for the corners

or turn that lateral force into vertical force!

good on you for asking for advice/help and trying

[Skunk]

Really? Get a bike that can't pass them at 50.

Otherwise, DO A RIDE RIGHT RIDE SAFE COURSE.

When you grow up you will realise. And growing up has nothing to do with getting older...

[megageoff76]

You could always think about what you've got to lose and in the end is it really worth it?

Can i afford to crash my bike, or keep throwing money away on fines/tickets? Or do i want to see my family again today?

Sounds cheesy, but these are the reasons I dont ride like a nut case.

[Terminated]

When out riding, irrespective of the traffic conditions or the riding/driving behaviour of other road users - if you sense that first bit of irritation then ask yourself:

Where am I riding?
How am I riding? and
Why am I riding like that - right now!

Asking yourself these questions, may, and I hasten to add, just may prevent you from getting frustrated and doing something stupid, irrational and dangerous.

Please take this onboard in the sincere way it has been presented.

Heads Up and Enjoy Your Riding

[McJim]

I think, subonciously, you ride the way you do because you WANT to be noticed, you WANT to be admired and you WANT to be respected.

This also is the cause of many of your threads.

Be aware that when people see you ride they are NOT admiring you and they are NOT respecting you. You have an acute sense of 'Race Face'. If you do not pass a vehicle you feel somehow that the other vehicle has beaten you.

You need to realise these feelings are just feelings and do not represent the way the world really works.

There is no magic wand to make these feelings go away - you just have to realise that you didn't lose when the Honda City overtook you and that you won't lose if you don't chase him down.

Most people think "what a plonker" when they see you ride. You can change that.

[HDTboy]

I've only seen you once Mark, didn't introduce myself, we were both in cars.
I have heard about your exploits though, it sounds like you're a very focussed lad, the problem is that you're focussing on the wrong things.
When I was 17 I lost my licence being a dumbarse, then twice more when I was 18.
With regards to riding more sensibly, why not try looking at the big picture the whole time you're on a bike (or just in general). Does it matter to the length of your travel if you carry an extra 2km/h average speed, the margin in speed between you and the car in front?
Do you need to get to where you're going in a hurry? Why?
If you're riding for the sake of it, what's the point in going fast in 50 and 80 zones? The people I chose to ride with tend to do the posted limits in towns, and save the fast stuff for the 100 zones. Going slower in towns gives you a bit of a chance to stretch, reset your brain, and just cruise for a bit.
The last thing I'll say is that while you're young and bulletproof, others who do care about you know from bitter experience that none of us are bulletproof. I'm guessing you went to at least one funeral in December. If you did you'll know what I'm talking about.

I think what I'm trying to say is that self control is about restraint, looking at the big picture, and asking yourself if you need to go fast / do stupid shit.

[007XX]

If I tell you there is NO easy solution, are you still prepared to listen and do what you are advised Mark?

[Big Dave]

I told you once before - as you get older you can see more of the future.

From this experience you now know what happens when you don't look beyond the 'right now' and what 'ramifications' are.

They accompany you for the rest of your days. Look up the exact meaning if you aren't sure. Then take a deep whiff of their acrid smell.

Keep yourself under control by burning how bad it is now - and what happens when you haven't kept control - lastingly and deeply into your brain and don't fucking do it again.

[Boob Johnson]

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[Jantar]

This is one of the big tests of the old style road trials. It wasn't always the fastest rider, nor the slowest, that won the event, it was the most disciplined.

To get yourself disciplined on the road, set yourself a target speed to average. For example, go for a ride to Whangarei, on SH1, but set yourself a time to achieve. Say 1 hour 49 minutes, from Spaghetti Junction to Whangarei. It can be done without being a speed demon, but you will need to keep up a good pace. Try and get there as close to the target time as possible. Some cars will possibly pass you, just let them go. In general you will have your work cut out passing a lot more.

When you have a target like that you will find that you must really concentrate on maintaining a steady speed, you can't afford to be stuck behind other vehicles for long, but nor do you have to pass when it would be dangerous to do so. You will soon be smoother in cornering, smoother and safer in overtaking, and not be so concerned about having to pass everything on the road.

I use this technique quite a lot, and when I have to take my bike to Dunedin for servicing (201km) I allow myself 2 hour 14 mins, I am usually at the bike shop within 1 minute of the time I've booked. The only time I have ever had a speeding ticket on this journey was the one time I left home 15 minutes late.

[Disco Dan]

Does have any tips for keeping yourself under control while out riding, and no i'm not going to do ride right ride safe or any of that crap.

I have to get myself under control.

Regards: Mark


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[xwhatsit]

I occasionally felt a similar way, especially riding home after work around 9pm or so. `Race face' is a good description of the situation -- a car in front of me, even if it was only a couple of kph slower than what my bike likes to sit at in 50kph zones, irritated the hell out of me, so I'd need to pass it. This went on and on, until one night I got pulled over. I got let off the ticket, despite the officer listing a myriad of offences (speeding, failing to give adequate notice of changing lanes, following too closely).

It was then I realised what I looked like riding. I felt like a complete twat, it hit home to me that I looked exactly like the boy racer smacktards I despise. So now when I start getting that same irritated impatient feeling, I think `do I really want to look like a wanker?' and 99% of the time I bide my time. Occasionally I do it anyway -- I couldn't contain myself on Sunday when somebody insisted on driving at 50kph through a short residential 70kph zone (there's a nice corner midway through, I didn't want to pull a U-turn and go and do it twice :lol:); funnily enough as soon as I did that, a police car came around the corner and just about made me shit my pants (double yellows (although I stayed in my lane) and I was doing slightly over the speed limit).

It's a tricky thing. I get it at work all the time. I want to shout at them `you, sir, are a completely pompous fucktard and your tie looks very silly', but I am rather keen on keeping my job and income. When I'm on my bike I'm rather keen on keeping my life/license/un-twatness, and likewise modify my behaviour to suit.

I respected the police officer, so when he let me know I was being a dick, it struck home and made me change what I was doing. For you, the tickets don't seem to inspire the same sort of change; perhaps what it'll take is for somebody, maybe a girlfriend, or somebody here on KB that you really look up to, to say to you (and for you to take it seriously) that you're being a dick.

Good luck, attitudes are hard to change.

[discotex]

I have to get myself under control.

Yes, yes you do.

I'm sure off the road you're a nice guy but the cold hard fact is that the way you ride makes you a menace on the road. I think you know that too. Sure it gets you plenty of attention but it's not getting you much respect mate.

My guess is the only thing that will get through to you is a decent crash. Some people are destined to learn the hard way (and I say that as one of those people).

You could always try spending 30 seconds imagining all the bad shit that could happen if you ride like a dick every time you put your helmet on and see if that slows you down.

EDIT: It's not about being a total saint all the time. You just need to make riding loose the exception rather than the rule.

[Boob Johnson]

As has been mentioned, save it for the open road. Stick to the speed limit round town, if you continually ride at silly speeds in built up area's with loads of cars around then your a bloody idiot...........who should get a million dollar life insurance policy and at least something behind for ya mum :love:

[oldrider]

Hey all, well here goes i know you will probably all shoot me down in flames but what the hell i need to sort this out.

Does have any tips for keeping yourself under control while out riding, and no i'm not going to do ride right ride safe or any of that crap.

I just mean going along in traffic and cars going along in 50 kph zones at 60 ish, and resisting the urge to pass them, giving up the boredom i guess...

Has Anybody had similar problems in thier youth that they found easy solutions for, thanks in advance.

I have to get myself under control.

Regards: Mark

Mark.

A lot of people are walkin around with T shirts, with the following message!

To be old and wise, first you gotta be young and stupid!

I am just but one of the older members here on KB and I can equate to that message.

I only got to be this age by pure luck.

Can't even count all my friends who didn't make it, on my fingers and toes.

I "still" suffer from the same temptations to do something stupid on my bike, every time I ride it.

You have answered your own question just by asking it, the rest is up to you!

"You" are in control, you and you alone, are accountable for your actions! You know what you have to do! :yes:

Good luck, live long, enjoy life, enjoy your bike! :ride: Cheers John.

[jafar]

Get a track bike & keep the stoopid shit for the track.. thats what tracks are for . If you can't do that then take up skydiving or something else thats gives you a rush. The road isn't the place for crazy dumbarse tricks, the cemetary is full of guys that rode just like you do.... you really want to go there ????:argh:

[ceebie13]

Most people think "what a plonker" when they see you ride. You can change that.

Ah but let's face it...most other road users think all bikers are plonkers because our reputation goes before us as a result of irresponsible and anti-social riding by some of us. This of course means we are all tarred with same brush.

I doubt that will ever change. It's too ingrained that if you are a biker you are, therefore, a hooligan.

Personally I couldn't give a monkey's toss what other road users think of me, my bike or my riding style, but I like to think that I might do my little bit to repair our tarnished reputation by riding (reasonably) sensibly when in traffic and being patient and courteous to other road users rather than automatically adopting the attitude that they are the wankers all the time and shouldn't be allowed on the road.

So I agree with McJim that if we thought about a little more about our actions and behaviour then maybe...just maybe...people might see us in a better light.

And I'm going to give SkidMark the benefit of the doubt with regard to his reasons for starting this thread and simply say "Think roadcraft, not road-race" Riding defensively and safely with consideration for others as well as yourself can be just as much of a buzz as treating the public roads as the Nurburgring!

Me? ceebie13. (aka Richard)
You? Mark Mywords
geddit!!! lol

[ZeroIndex]

Mark, there is a bunch of brilliant information in the above posts... I'm glad you started this thread, because a lot of the posts so far contain invaluable information that I plan to incorporate in to my riding when I get my license back (and another bike).

One thing that I might be able to offer: Get a mp3 player and some nice comfy headphones (the really in-ear type act a bit like ear-plugs, so they block a bit of wind noise too... Find some music that can keep you energised, but relaxed at the same time... To give some bad examples of music to listen to: Heavy Metal and Classical Music... Heavy Metal: You end up headbanging, and you stop paying attention to side-streets and other road users. Classical Music: Even though it's mainly old people in retirement villages these days that listen to this sort of music, classical music effects your mood in a really severe way... the music speeds up, and guess what happens to your speedo?

If anyone wants to try this, get hold of some classical music, along with your mp3 player, and go do a trackday... A trackday isn't about racing, but rather, let out some angst/steam etc... classical music will help with that tremendously... think something like flight of the bumblebee :killingme...

but yeah, back onto the road: Take it easy... As long as you're the one in the seat (hopefully holding the handlebars), you're the one that's in control of how the bike is going to obey the law and respect other road-users.

[Gremlin]

Identify the cause...

ie... Why do you do the dumb shit around town? I used to split at a pretty decent clip (upwards of 50k diff was no issue) on the motorway, but soon realised that 1, it was becoming normal, and 2, most that do that speed only slow down after having a big incident. I got away incident free because I decided to pull my head in, and now I try to avoid travelling in heavy traffic (look at it like a drug - and lower your exposure).

In the end, you barely achieve a time difference, for a lot more risk taking (I checked this on numerous occasions). For you, a large deterrent would be the cost of license loss/fines, as the penalties only increase over time. This doesn't even include random events like running people over/crashing into things, which are very likely around the suburbs at legal speeds, let alone large doses of speeding (and yes, I've had plenty of close calls from idiots, while obeying the limit). Think of the increase in danger, with the increase of speed (I'm sooooo not going with speed kills)

At the end of the day, its all in your head, and only you can stop it.

[janno]

Why don't you have a go racing? I have no idea about your skill level, but the speed addiction, need for adrenaline and split second decision making sounds like a match made in heaven to me! Plus that attention seeking and self confidence which some might call arrogance is what you need to be a champion - racehorses too, interestingly enough!

I've just talked to one of the best racers in New Zealand and he says he doesn't ride on the road at all because he'd lose his licence or kill himself or someone else; he knows he couldn't control himself. He's fully aware that to go as fast as you possibly can at all times, you need to be in the specific place for it. And because he only wants to go as fast as he possibly can, he will wait until then . . .

And I suspect when you get on the track you will get your arse severely handed to you. Which will give you something to get your teeth in to - getting your skill level up where your head is at.

So maybe don't try to change your ways - they're not wrong as such, just in completely the wrong place. I wouldn't worry too much about trying to completely change, because that's not likely to happen in a hurry. If I were you I'd focus on where I could legitimately get that buzz. So perhaps try racing, skydiving, surfing etc.

There's a ton of people like you out there. The difference is that they've worked out where they can let rip without harming themselves, and more importantily, others.

[Coyote]

Can i afford to crash my bike
That's what stopped me from going to quick


Be aware that when people see you ride they are NOT admiring you and they are NOT respecting you. You have an acute sense of 'Race Face'. If you do not pass a vehicle you feel somehow that the other vehicle has beaten you.

You can see that in other drivers. Once you've torn off at the lights, cruise at 100-110, wait a few seconds and you'll get a holden zooming past, then the big bore, then joe public. They then back off and do 120 untill I'm out of their site, which never happens as I always catch up due to the next red light and the whole thing starts again. They're not gaining any distance from you, but they've all obviously got bigger penis's than you, they're just prooving it by doing 140 past you. :p

[ManDownUnder]

Yup... 2 things

1) LooseBruce will be in no hurry to see you again. He'll be watching I'm sure, and you guys can catch up soon enough... but give it another 70 years ok?
2) Come visit a morgue with me and a few squids. I want you guys to see the slabs you'll end up on if you can't stop this impulsive stupidity.

I want you squids to see the needles they use to drain your blood then pump in the embalming fliuids. Come and take a look at the stainless steel table with the drain at one end to stop a mess being made while any other bodily fluids escape.

Come and smell the clinical smell of the room, and feel the cold.

Come and see the makeup they apply to make you look as normal as possible so your relatives don't reel in horror at a smashed up face on the front of their loved one.

Come and meet the guy that would probably use the needles and makeup on your sorry arse while he stands over yet another young guy that died trying to impress his mates, or save 1 minute on a journey from A to B.

You up for it? Serious offer... c'mon. I did it at 17 and it was an absolute eye opener.

[nadroj]

Self control / self discipline is the key. One of the best ways to learn this is a course in martial arts. You know you can hit the instructor hard but you also know and can feel the consequences.
If you need to learn this on a bike then try trail riding or motorcross.

[Taz]

Thinking about others is one of the keys. Just try some common courtesy and you'll be amazed at the difference in your road manners. Change your attitude to other road users and you'll see thier attitude change towards you. Ride like a wanker and you'll notice that other road users treat you like such. It's all about attitude in my opinion.
Good luck.
Andy.

[NighthawkNZ]

Mark.
A lot of people are walkin around with T shirts, with the following message!
To be old and wise, first you gotta be young and stupid!
I am just but one of the older members here on KB and I can equate to that message.
I only got to be this age by pure luck.
Can't even count all my friends who didn't make it, on my fingers and toes.
I "still" suffer from the same temptations to do something stupid on my bike, every time I ride it.
You have answered your own question just by asking it, the rest is up to you!
"You" are in control, you and you alone, are accountable for your actions! You know what you have to do! :yes:
Good luck, live long, enjoy life, enjoy your bike! :ride: Cheers John.

Most of us have been through the ‘young dumb and full of cum stage’... but by asking the question is actually the first step ... recognition

Like OldRider I am regularly tempted to go for it, and most likely do a stupid thing. As I got older I realised I was wasting more time riding really fast and stupidly.

First of all what is the hurry…

You want to get there first? Why do you get a prize? If you were riding with me you would be broke, I would expect the coffee and snack waiting for me at each stop. Your shout… gives you something to do while waiting for the rest of the group.
You are late. Leave earlier…
You like going fast. Go on the track. It’s a good adrenalin rush. (Join a club, both social, skills and track events)
You don’t like riding in a group… what you don’t have friends or like be socialable. Sometimes if you force your self to ride in a group going at the group pace can slow you down. You also can start to appreciate the country side.


I have never understood the reason to go like a bat out of hell to get there a few minutes quicker with all the risks involved

Do you really have the skills?

You haven’t have an accident yet… doesn’t mean you wont have one.
You are not the only person on the road. Do you want to be responsibly for their injuries or worse death as well.
Do a “Ride Right Course”. I think you will be surprise that you don’t know everything.
Can you really afford the loss of license, bike or worse use of a hand or leg.


Friends and family

Do they want to see you splattered over the hood of a BMW… (a porche maybe but not a bmw ;) )
Or in a wheel chair for the rest of your life… could you handle that.
Just as a side note. I am not 10 foot tall and bulletproof and I am pretty sure you are not either.


My young nephew when he first got is car license got him self a turbo charged RX7 (was very nice for a cage) He thought he was a go driver to and use to drive it like the young hoons do…

Six weeks later he doesn’t have a turbo charged RX7 any more, because it was wrapped around a lamp post. His friend was in hospital, and he himself with a few minor injuries now wondering what did he do wrong.

Other bikers
Do you really like giving all the others bikers out there a bad name. Cage drivers don’t like us as it is with out you putting fuel on the fire by acting like a idiot on the road. Cage drivers don’t remember or even see the 300 bikes doing the right thing but they do see the one acting like hoon. I tell you this, I sure don't appreicate you giveing me a bad name as a rider...

My biggest tip would be this.... live to ride, stop, think, deep breath, think again, ride to live...

[Colapop]

All this advice will fall on deaf ears as it has done in the past.

[ceebie13]

All this advice will fall on deaf ears as it has done in the past.

Sorry mate, what did you say...didn't quite hear that!

[yungatart]

You just need to grow up or you will never be around to grow old.
Stop thinking you have to "prove" something over and over again.
Learn to like yourself!
Only you can do this for you Mark, ain't our job to do it for you.
Good luck!

[terbang]

30 years ago my best friend asked the same thing, he got lots of advice from others but he was was too skilled for all that. He's been dead 30 years now..! I saw it happen and it wasn't a pretty sight either and did I Learn from it? No because I was also 17, ten feet tall and bullet proof. How did I get to here and he didn't? Luck I guess.

[rideNroot]

I find listening to mp3's helps. Being able to chill out and listen to the music keeps me entertained.
That and having a bike that is barely able to accelerate :)

[NighthawkNZ]

Reading all the other posts its it seems this advise has been given before, and yeah it has online to other riders as well...

Give your self a goal... and that goal is, "proove you want to have self control riding... proove it to us even."

Actions speak louder than words.

[Jimmy B]

This is one of the big tests of the old style road trials. It wasn't always the fastest rider, nor the slowest, that won the event, it was the most disciplined.

To get yourself disciplined on the road, set yourself a target speed to average. .

Absolutely Jantar,

A couple of time I have met up with Blackbird in Kopu for a day ride. He leaves from Tokoroa and I leave from Auckland. BB has more distance to cover and I have to get out of town in rush hour. Both times we have arrived at Kopu within 5 minutes of each other. It is as you describe.

[ipod1098]

go racing bro!!

[sunhuntin]

dumb question i know, but mark, have you ever been taken out by a cager, whether their fault or yours? i have, and so have many others. the main reason seems to impatience on their part. my cager must have got sick of waiting in 3pm traffic and decided to pull out without being able to see clearly in any direction except forwards. she tried to save 5 seconds of time, and ended up wasting several hours due to my being so rude as to be on the patch of road she wanted.

that slowed me up a lot, specially at give ways and other intersections. now, i always wait until the way is fully clear, and i forcefully think "better to be 5 minutes late than to not get there at all." sure, i still have a go at raising the speedo a tad now and then, but only ever on roads that i know are clear [like between palmy and wangas the other night] or that i know like the back of my hand. i certainly dont do it in built up traffic. and overtaking is only done in town where the car in front is doing about 30 or 40k and its dangerous to be pinned between them and a 4wd.

only thing i can really suggest is force to slow you up. when you get the bike back, book it in and get a speed limiter put on. say, 70k. will still allow you on the open road [70k being the learner speed limit] but wont let you get too out of control in built up areas. and in built up areas, really work on keeping it below the 60 mark. feel the speed creeping too high? roll the throttle back and reduce it.

[SimJen]

Easy, either have self control and live.........
Or carry on as you are and let the odds catch up with you.

[Sniper]

Its called self discipline. Learn that and you can control your riding young fella

[Swoop]

Perhaps an Outward Bound course?

Seriously.

[ManDownUnder]

All this advice will fall on deaf ears as it has done in the past.

Possibly, but credit where it's due. Mark has stunned me with some of the advice he's taken on board from time to time...


Perhaps an Outward Bound course?

Seriously.

:niceone: :niceone: :niceone: :niceone: :niceone:

I'll throw $20 towards it. I think that's a bloody brilliant idea.

[bert_is_evil]

- Print some photo's from ride2die.com and keep them next to your bike
- Don't listen to techno or drum n bass while you're riding
- Imagine a cop with a ticket book just down the street
- Picture yourself with an artificial arm/leg or in a wheelchair
- Don't change out of 1st when riding through the city or you'll exceed the 30kph speed limit (grumble grumble)

[Chrislost]

i say go get yourself a 1000.
no shit you will learn control or die within a week!

[terbang]

I've been thinking along these lines a bit lately, is our ACC system partially to blame for our own lack of care. I've just come back from Florida where I did a lot a of driving. I had only been back in NZ for 5 mins and I was tailgated, had a guy pull out and just observed lots of, in comparison, sloppy driving. I also remember when I lived in Switzerland that if you crashed your bike, they would pick you up off the road and stop you from dying but no more until you or your insurer could pay. And if you had been riding like a tit outside of the law, hurt yourself or perhaps someone else then the insurer wasn't going to pay either and you faced not only a criminal case but a civil one as well. A good incentive for you, or those responsible for you, to remain disciplined with your driving habits. No cotton wool there and you could easily, like in the USA, get your arse sued off for being a dickhead. Is the attitude we have here partially to blame by the ACC safety net we have here that allows us to go out and kill someone else and only face criminal charges.
Interesting comment of Snipers about self discipline and I reckon that comes hand in hand with self respect. At 19, I joined the New Zealand Army and I must admit, with a bit of pain and a shock, to learning a lot more about self respect and discipline there, perhaps that is why I'm still riding while my unfortunate friend has missed out on 30 years of awesome riding.

[Crisis management]

I'll throw $20 towards it. I think that's a bloody brilliant idea.

MDU, I think you'll be throwing your money away. Nice thought, but surely everyone realises what a tosser this young man is by now. All we get is a constant stream of "look at me posts" as he carries on behaving like a wanker of the first order.
About a year ago I gave Mark my advice (via PM) and have declined to join in the zoo that his threads are since then but this is surely getting a bit pathetic.
What has really brought me out this time is the fact that the bastards on the dole, won't get a job and yet here we (KB) are paying attention to him.

How about we just ignore him?

[terbang]

When I was 15 I can remember thinking that my old man was the dumbest bastard around. He knew nothing and I treated him with the contempt that I thought he deserved.
By the time I had turned 20 I was quite surprised at how much he had learned in the last five years...!

[Tank]

You could of course drain your wrists into a bucket... it is a valid option. No more police, no more judges, no more annoying parents, no more rent, electricity, hangovers. No more fast motorbikes to tempt you, no nothing... just long term bliss....

Sorry - this is in bad taste even if its said tongue in cheek.

Back to the question in hand - Mark, from reading your threads even I can see you need to change (everyone sees it).

If you TRUELY believe that you have a problem with this and honestly cannot control it - then seek some professional help. There are people out there that can help you. I used to have a wee anger issue that resulted in a number of GBH charges. My red mist was your race face.

Get help - or something will happen that will change your life - and its not going to be in a good way.

On the other hand if your just trolling looking for post- then forget everything you have read - its your funeral.

[Paul in NZ]

Self control?? Impossible without some empathy towards other people and their needs and I suspect thats what is lacking.

I've never met this guy, don't want to but I'm met a 1000 others just like you over the years and never enjoyed riding with any of them one little bit. Usually these pricks ruin a good day out for everyone by crashing stupidly, breaking down, causing trouble with the law or the locals and generally just being arseholes. I always find it funny that they are in a blinding hurry to get someplace but once there never seem to enjoy it without causing some drama...

Success in life is about endurance and selflessness - bury your ego and start thinking about how you can make other peoples lives, especially those with real problems, a little easier. It will make you a better person and we need better people, they are always in short supply - arseholes? Fully stocked mate...

[MSTRS]

All the advice here (and in the past) won't make a blind bit of difference.
Some people just have to learn the hard way. Just like some of us did.
The others can be visited during daylight. Don't be surprised if they aren't talking though.

[Blue Velvet]

"Everything you do is guided by your basic beliefs, and controlling danger is much easier with the right ones.

What you do is subject to two types of control - external and internal. External controls are the rules that come from someone else. Internal control is exercised from your own beliefs about what is right.

Of the two, your internal beliefs are the deeper influence. They are the values you live by. They shape your reasoning and judgement and govern your "voluntary" actions.

Your beliefs about riding are, therefore, vital

and act as a directing hand over everything you think and do on the road. And they cannot be faked either, because the acid test is in what you actually do. Whatever you say you believe, or think you should believe do not count at all.

No one else can tell you what to believe. Trying to do so just triggers resistance. Someone may successfully tell you what to do, but not what to believe."

I've only just received this book but it has some valuable content regarding the above and more. It may sound obvious at first, it may even sound naff, but the more I read the more I realise that unless you learn this stuff, it's like an emergency braking situation - if you don't know how to brake properly, your brain doesn't know how to react when the time comes.

Mark, you say you don't want to do a course but it sounds to me like you'd benefit from some instruction. Even if you just get a book like Mind Driving and read it. Some books are useful for getting you to think. I have some more info if you're interested.

You have to want to change.

[The Pastor]

go to the track.

[skidMark]

Yup... 2 things

1) LooseBruce will be in no hurry to see you again. He'll be watching I'm sure, and you guys can catch up soon enough... but give it another 70 years ok?
2) Come visit a morgue with me and a few squids. I want you guys to see the slabs you'll end up on if you can't stop this impulsive stupidity.

I want you squids to see the needles they use to drain your blood then pump in the embalming fliuids. Come and take a look at the stainless steel table with the drain at one end to stop a mess being made while any other bodily fluids escape.

Come and smell the clinical smell of the room, and feel the cold.

Come and see the makeup they apply to make you look as normal as possible so your relatives don't reel in horror at a smashed up face on the front of their loved one.

Come and meet the guy that would probably use the needles and makeup on your sorry arse while he stands over yet another young guy that died trying to impress his mates, or save 1 minute on a journey from A to B.

You up for it? Serious offer... c'mon. I did it at 17 and it was an absolute eye opener.

hellllllllllllllllllllllllll no, you aint getting me near that place!

[90s]

and no i'm not going to do ride right ride safe or any of that crap.

You and Zero go do RRRS.

The reason you don't want to do it is because you think its like basic handling, and yoos got the mad skillz with all your stoppies etc.

But this is NOT why YOU should do the course.

The reason you should do it is because you will find it dreadfully frustrating. You will be asked to do things such as counter steer down a line of tennis balls at a reasonable clip (50k). You will think you can do it at triple the speed. In fact its odds-on you won't actually be able to do it at 50k at first because you do not have quite the control you think you have.

But this is besides the point. The point is you will both want to rip down the line to show how beneath you the exercise is.

Your learning will come from doing as you are told, being in control, and then the surprise of satisfaction that you will get from feeling that:

a) you did it
b) in fact your control did improve a bit.

If all this was not true you are zero would not be off your bikes, and zero wouldn't have stacked in his 'escape' from the police.

A final word - if you are still reading - all the other advice is also good. Inspired by zero I pulled a quick 10k on the mtn bike last night after a long hiatus (in which I gained 15kgs ... ). Along exhibition drive I managed a few 60k sprints, but only when the way was clear ahead on the straights. What, I kept thinking - however much fun I was suddenly having - would be the consequence of taking the next bend and piling into a dog; person; other bike or going over the edge. For what? Nada.

Prove you are taking some of this advice on board by swallowing your pride and getting to a course.

[Sniper]

hellllllllllllllllllllllllll no, you aint getting me near that place!

There we go.

skidMark is back. Not accepting anyway that might help him grow into a better person unless it suits him

Mark, you need to sit down, and start SERIOUSLY thinking about your life and how to improve it. Take everyones suggestions here and realise they are all here to help you grow up

Stuart

[ManDownUnder]

hellllllllllllllllllllllllll no, you aint getting me near that place!

On one hand I see why, and on the other... it's a dose of reality that's not going to hurt you. Help me understand why not - why wouldn't you go there with me? You asked for life changing experiences - I give it to you.

c'mon - be a man, step up to the challenge.

I'm happy to put in the effort and arrange it if you are willing to take a step or two beyond your comfort zone. If you can't stomach the whole thing that's fine, we can do it in steps. The thing is this though - that is reality. If you are unable to face that it could explain why you do some risky stuff...

Dumb riding + obstacle = visit to the morgue.

[Paul in NZ]

hellllllllllllllllllllllllll no, you aint getting me near that place!

Keep riding the way you do (apparently) and you will be making a guest appearance mate!

Then again - we all will eventually.... I'd like to put it off for a bit though!

[Harry33]

Self control is something you learn over time. The things I think about when it comes to riding is.

1. I don't want to kill myself, leave my friends/family behind
2. I don't want to wreck my bike
3. I don't want to lose my licence
4. I don't want to pay for speed tickets, So keep within the speed limits.
5. I make sure I give myself plenty of time to get to where ever I need to get to so I don't temp myself with all of the above.
6. As a lot of people say treat everyone on the road as if they are out to get you.

If your into speed take it to the track.

[Mole_C]

How about hooking up some clamps to your nipples that shock you every time you hit 60 :woohoo:

[ceebie13]

Sad thing is, it's not just Mark is it? There's a lot of other riders out there...some young like Mark and some older (who you'd hope would have got wiser)...who could take heed of some of the comments on this thread.

[skidMark]

How about hooking up some clamps to your nipples that shock you every time you hit 60 :woohoo:


thatll make me ride faster....

[Sniper]

thatll make me ride faster....

Read that comment and your first post in this thread. Tell me what you see.

Self critisis your comment and let me know what you come up with. In a PM is fine, I won't let the others know.

Just do that for me.

[skidMark]

what that i like having my nipples electricuted? LOL

back on topic... lol

[Sniper]

what that i like having my nipples electricuted? LOL

back on topic... lol

Don't be a dipshit. Read your first post and then that one above, what do you see

[sprag]

and had my first bike i was the same, but now that i am older i just keep thinking i am going to die and that keeps things under control :P

[terbang]

Oh Groan, its all a wind up. But I do believe that Charles Darwin was onto something though..!

[ManDownUnder]

Sad thing is, it's not just Mark is it? There's a lot of other riders out there...some young like Mark and some older (who you'd hope would have got wiser)...who could take heed of some of the comments on this thread.

Very very true. I hit 16, I bought a 550... I hit 80 round a really fun corner then hit a concrete truck....... ow ow ow...

Mark - you're not alone in what you are doing. You are a more extreme example for sure but the thing is that you do need to sit down, shut up and listen. I've seen you do it before - here's another chance.

[avgas]

I will always remember the titanium pin that was in my leg.
Probably cos i hang it up on the wall all the time and cos of the cool scars i got from it.
That and the nerve endings that will never leave me alone.
Never.

[ManDownUnder]

hellllllllllllllllllllllllll no, you aint getting me near that place!

Hey Mark, here is she cold hard truth for you.

Keep this shit up and I'll put $50 on the fact you're dead in the next 5 years. You will be visiting the morgue bud, but it will be in a bag instead of car.

FWIW - the one and only other time I bet on a guy dying within 5 years ... I won.

Your call.

[McJim]

Hey Mark, here is she cold hard truth for you.

Keep this shit up and I'll put $50 on the fact you're dead in the next 5 years. You will be visiting the morgue bud, but it will be in a bag instead of car.

FWIW - the one and only other time I bet on a guy dying within 5 years ... I won.

Your call.

No one is going to be dumb enough to take you up on that bet....:(

[canarlee]

You just want some attention eh? Stop posting threads if you don't mean what you say.


You could start by taking your ritalin.


Maturity helps...!


Really? Get a bike that can't pass them at 50.

Otherwise, DO A RIDE RIGHT RIDE SAFE COURSE.

When you grow up you will realise. And growing up has nothing to do with getting older...

why the fuck are people attacking skidmark for asking advice???

just noticed that some of the more offending posts have been removed since last night!

[McJim]

why the fuck are people attacking skidmark for asking advice???

Coz they know from experience he has little intention of actually taking the advice. He asks in order that people like us can reply to add a sense of affirmation to his life.

Watch the pattern carefully. Important nugget of info followed by ignorant quip from the skidmark. we've been watching him longer than you have L.

[canarlee]

Coz they know from experience he has little intention of actually taking the advice. He asks in order that people like us can reply to add a sense of affirmation to his life.

Watch the pattern carefully. Important nugget of info followed by ignorant quip from the skidmark. we've been watching him longer than you have L.

ahh fair enough mate, i didnt realise that!

[Big Dave]

why the fuck are people attacking skidmark for asking advice???


Gangster slaps are now illegal.

[SimJen]

why the fuck are people attacking skidmark for asking advice???

just noticed that some of the more offending posts have been removed since last night!

Because he said he wants help, but then states he doesn't want to do a riding course.....so in actual fact is he going to bother!!!! A defeatist attitude before he starts is gonna get him nowhere.
In my mind all he needs is a change in attitude and the will to change, although I don't know him personally, but I've read enough of his posts to get a picture of the sort of guy he is.

[skidMark]

Because he said he wants help, but then states he doesn't want to do a riding course.....so in actual fact is he going to bother!!!! A defeatist attitude before he starts is gonna get him nowhere.
In my mind all he needs is a change in attitude and the will to change, although I don't know him personally, but I've read enough of his posts to get a picture of the sort of guy he is.


a riding course teaches you skills on controlling the bike, i already have those, i need skills to control myself.

[canarlee]

guys, see my last post! mcjim made it clear.


as you were....

[Sniper]

Hey Mark, here is she cold hard truth for you.

Keep this shit up and I'll put $50 on the fact you're dead in the next 5 years. You will be visiting the morgue bud, but it will be in a bag instead of car.

FWIW - the one and only other time I bet on a guy dying within 5 years ... I won.

Your call.

Its a sad, but true bet :(


No one is going to be dumb enough to take you up on that bet....:(

That backs up what I said


why the fuck are people attacking skidmark for asking advice???

just noticed that some of the more offending posts have been removed since last night!

Dude, you need to see how many times Mark has asked for advice and then pissed on it because its not what he wanted to hear

[Sniper]

a riding course teaches you skills on controlling the bike, i already have those, i need skills to control myself.

I smell bullshit. No you don't.

You need to learn self discipline and common scense, but you are not willing to take up any offers here which means you are not willing to learn.

Why the hell do you even bother wasting yours and our time by asking

[canarlee]

Dude, you need to see how many times Mark has asked for advice and then pissed on it because its not what he wanted to hear

d00d, read back a page lol

[SimJen]

a riding course teaches you skills on controlling the bike, i already have those, i need skills to control myself.

Are you sure you don't have a form of Tourrets?
It manifests itself in uncontrollable ways....
We all have issues, just try and have the will power to hold it back!!!!!

[sunhuntin]

guys, see my last post! mcjim made it clear.


as you were....

bit like when the site crashed he was begging for work. he got offered an awesome job, turned it down, and ignored all advice. earlier this week it was arrested for dangerous driving, bike impounded and all witnesses hating him. again, ignoring advice. today, its self control, but refusal of all advice.
ive already had a red rep from this thread, and givers name makes perfect sense... if he really thinks mark will change, the name fits perfect.

took me a while to notice the pattern too... i think one of the first posts i put to mark was asking him to stay in his town, and ill stay in mine.

[skidMark]

Coz they know from experience he has little intention of actually taking the advice. He asks in order that people like us can reply to add a sense of affirmation to his life.

Watch the pattern carefully. Important nugget of info followed by ignorant quip from the skidmark. we've been watching him longer than you have L.



no i just dont take advice not relevant to the question at hand the dangerous driving thread i just got dug into, and the majority of posts barely scraped the origional question asked.

[Sniper]

Mark, heres how much interest you generate.

Notice how few post because they know you are not willing to take any advice

[Sniper]

no i just dont take advice not relevant to the question at hand the dangerous driving thread i just got dug into, and the majority of posts barely scraped the origional question asked.

Crap, you are not willing to accept advice that you don't like. If the solution doesnt suit you, you disregard it.

Heres another solution, read what is being said and use the information.

[skidMark]

bit like when the site crashed he was begging for work. he got offered an awesome job, turned it down, and ignored all advice. earlier this week it was arrested for dangerous driving, bike impounded and all witnesses hating him. again, ignoring advice. today, its self control, but refusal of all advice.
ive already had a red rep from this thread, and givers name makes perfect sense... if he really thinks mark will change, the name fits perfect.

took me a while to notice the pattern too... i think one of the first posts i put to mark was asking him to stay in his town, and ill stay in mine.


when did i say i refused advice, i choose to take the good bits and ignore the bullshit and i thank those that have given me advice that i will use when i am riding again, so now that the thread gone down the shitter like everythread i make...

thankyou those that helped, i'm not sticking round in this thread, i don't want to be dug into.

[sunhuntin]

when did i say i refused advice, i choose to take the good bits and ignore the bullshit and i thank those that have given me advice that i will use when i am riding again, so now that the thread gone down the shitter like everythread i make...

thankyou those that helped, i'm not sticking round in this thread, i don't want to be dug into.

all the good advice that was offered, from jobs, cv help, help to get the bike out of impound was all turned down. i aint digging in [much] but itd show you in a lot better light if you took some of the advice rather than asking for it and then shitting on it. how old are you, mark?

[Boob Johnson]

Self control / self discipline is the key. One of the best ways to learn this is a course in martial arts. You know you can hit the instructor hard but you also know and can feel the consequences.
If you need to learn this on a bike then try trail riding or motorcross.Motorcross/trail riding would be an excellent thing to do, no cops on a dirt track & a lot less chance of hurting others, an excellent suggestion Kev :niceone:

[skidMark]

Motorcross/trail riding would be an excellent thing to do, no cops on a dirt track & a lot less chance of hurting others, an excellent suggestion Kev :niceone:


i break enough bones as it is! LOL

[Boob Johnson]

i break enough bones as it is! LOLClearly you don't <_<

[Marmoot]

Trying to teach a hoon some self-control is similar to asking a wife-beater to be nice


It has to come from within the person.

[MSTRS]

when did i say i refused advice, i choose to take the good bits and ignore the bullshit and i thank those that have given me advice that i will use when i am riding again, so now that the thread gone down the shitter like everythread i make...

thankyou those that helped, i'm not sticking round in this thread, i don't want to be dug into.

Actions speak louder than words....

Good bits??? WTF

Thanks that mean something would be that you actually put into practice what you've been 'taught' here.

Edit: I see you're still here (and posting). Can't be relied on for anything huh??

[Tank]

Isnt this all a waste of time and energy anyway. If I remember Mark is up for dangerous riding and lost his bike.

So assuming he doesn't have a licence anymore (god willing), unless he can pedal really, really fast he isnt going to overtake anyone.

Best case .....After 6 or 9 months watching other people riding like idiots whilst on his pushbike or out the window of the number 43 bus he may start realise how stupid it is and maybe, just maybe learn a lesson?

Worse case - (but Im guessing the more likely given his track record)... I predict we see a "I got caught speeding without a licence" thread coming this way soon

[pritch]

I saw the link "Self control-skidmark" and thought I gotta read this.

It's a shame I'm at work and haven't got time to read the whole thread yet.
There are some good suggestions in there though.

The latest BIKE mag has a small piece on the mental approach to riding but it isn't worth $14.50 just to get that item.

When I am undertaking a trip of several hours duration I will have worked out a couple of magic words which I repeat to myself in an attempt to stop myself getting too rash during the journey. Perhaps SM if you were to sort a couple of words and repeat them to yourself before any ride.

I also have "posters" I made at my desk to remind me of a couple of things which could cost me money if ignored...

[SPman]

I told you once before - as you get older you can see more of the future.
.
Because there's less of it to see....?

Don't control it Mark....give in to the dark side.....when you see a gap - go for it! Wind on that throttle - you know you want to! If you see a cop car - pass it! Being under control is like being in chains - go out with a flourish!

[marty]

Get a track bike & keep the stoopid shit for the track.. thats what tracks are for . If you can't do that then take up skydiving or something else thats gives you a rush. The road isn't the place for crazy dumbarse tricks, the cemetary is full of guys that rode just like you do.... you really want to go there ????:argh:

actually, recommending stupid stuff on the track is pretty fucking stupid itself. not to mention being stupid skydiving! now there's one sport that needs sensibility and self control - can't pull over to the roadside to have a think about what you're going to do next if it's not going well for you.

there's a difference between being fast, and being stupid, and if mark turned up at a race/trackday where i was riding, or out to the drop zone i jump at, and behaved like he did on the road, i'm sure i'll only be about 10th in a very long line waiting to thump him.

[skidMark]

actually, recommending stupid stuff on the track is pretty fucking stupid itself. not to mention being stupid skydiving! now there's one sport that needs sensibility and self control - can't pull over to the roadside to have a think about what you're going to do next if it's not going well for you.

there's a difference between being fast, and being stupid, and if mark turned up at a race/trackday where i was riding, or out to the drop zone i jump at, and behaved like he did on the road, i'm sure i'll only be about 10th in a very long line waiting to thump him.

how did you get into my thoughts lol

[hospitalfood]

tie a bit of fishing line around your nuts, run it out of your fly and around the throttle from the underside up, as you twist the power on you cause yourself pain. don't tie it to your cock by mistake. If pain turns you on this will not work.

[DMNTD]

...I have to get myself under control....


REPOST!!!!



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[Boob Johnson]

a riding course teaches you skills on controlling the bike, i already have thosePlease tell me your kidding? Your 20 & have learned all the skills possible??? So your one of the few people in the world that can ride for a year or so & master the art so much so that you don't need to learn anymore skills? Give us a break. Your wanting advice...........well your statement there rings MASSIVE alarm bells mate.


Have a real good think about your statement Mark.


You won't like to here this but you are a kid, a kid with a lot to learn. People can ride for years & are still learning new things, honing their skills. A young fella like yourself has a long way to go before he can be arrogant/ignorant enough to actually believe he has learned all there is to no.

What's so bad about going to the Morge? I think that's an excellent idea, im a lil squeemish myself but if I were your father or brother I would drag you there kicking & screaming if need be as it might be one of things that will save your life because nothing is getting through to you Mark. Your getting your 15mins (or should I say 15 threads) of fame but completely ignoring all the good advice & even having the cheek to call some of it bullshit?


Wise the FUCK up kiddo :spanking:

[DMNTD]

On a slightly more serious note that hopefully you can relate to... :rolleyes:



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[ceebie13]

The more I read here, the more the words horse, dead and flogging come to mind.

[Ixion]

Who put this into PD? A remarkably illadvised decision IMHO. A young man making a very sensible request for advice is NEVER either pointless or drivel. No mater how fruitless the result may be, the attempt is always worth making. And even those posts which make no helpful contribution are not pointless, since they provide an insight into both how others may view Mark's behaviour (for his benefit) and their own attitudes (for the benefit of the rest of us). Noone should EVER give up on trying to help a young rider. Whichever mod did it should be ashamed of him(her)self.

Mark, firstly, you''re an idiot. I think that is universally established. Don't sweat it, I am too, as are almost all real bikers. And moreover you know you're an idiot, which is a good start on the path to self awareness (if you ever get there, send me directions).

Now, many (most?) of the responses on this thread are pious hypocirsy. All these dudes on sprotsbikes with a top speed of 250+. Who NEVER break the speed limit. Yeah, right, Tui anyone. And the folk on learners licences riding litre bikes (because they've smashed up their 250s, which clearly proves they know how to ride). So you may give them such weight as they may deserve.

You ask how you can learn self control. And certainly, you need to. But the reality is that you never will. I do not say that to bash you. I have never learned it. I do not think any real biker ever does. That is why we are bikers. Sooner or later the itch to unleash the spirit of freedom will overcome you. The only ones immune to it are not really bikers they are the RUBs and BAFAs, who I do not classify as bikers.

What you can do is to learn to pick your time and place. Sit down and think out (even write down), what is a suitable time and place for all the various "uncontrolled" things. And where is NOT a suitable time and place. Where is the time and place for wheelies? For moderate (110-140) speeding? For serious speeding (walking if you get caught) ? And also the times and places that are not suitable.

Then, when the impulse to cut loose comes over you, think "Is this the time and place I decided on ? No, I'll wait until a better" . Or, "Yes, it is! Let's GO "

This does not guarantee that you will not crash or injure yourself. But your record on that score is better than many anyway. Nor that you will escape the attention of the law. That is a risk that can never be entirely discounted. But it does greatly reduce the risk of bad results. And it is much easier to defer the itch-to-hoon than to suppress it completely.

And, when the time or place is not right, then to escape boredom, glory in being a Nana. Watch other drivers for errors, and tut tut at them (don't waste time trying to do anything it is a waste of time anyway.) Just note their bad driving and feel superiour. Shake your head, point out the wrongdoer to others. You will find that focusing on the faults of other drivers you will be much less tempted to err yourself. And the time trial is an excellent idea, offering a self-excuse to turn up the wick when running behind,whilst forcing you to slow down when ahead of time. Just note your departure time, and say to yourself "I will pass point X along the way at exactly such a time. Point Y at such a time". Aim for a fast but not stupid average. Practice countersteering round the manhole covers. Play games with cagers heads. Lots of possibilities. Use y'imagination. If you come up behinf a cage and the time-place is not right to blast apst, don't Instead stop, wait a bit and have a little bet with yourself on how long it will take you to catch the cage up again. I use a formula of "so many minutes of catching up for each minute stopped".

Tell everybody not how fast you are, but how slow you are. Thus you have nothing to prove. And being overtaken by a Nana is far more ignominious than being overtaken by a professedly fast rider.

Final suggestion if all else fails ? Get a road legal chook chaser. Top speed is low enough that there is little risk of major strife. The cops ignore you anyway because you don't fit the picture of a speed maniac. And the amount of serious hoonery you can get up to once you are not confined to the actual road is unbelievable.

Works for me.

And +1 for what mr Canarlee said.

EDIT : RUB - Rich Urban Biker. BAFA Bike As fashion Accessory . The Weekend Warriors.

[skidMark]

agreed ixion, adivce in this thread could help others just not myself as others mentioned.


idiots.

this thread could save lives due to the information it contains.

fucks sake.

[Sniper]

agreed ixion, adivce in this thread could help others just not myself as others mentioned.


idiots.

this thread could save lives due to the information it contains.

fucks sake.

You need to use some of it then ;)

[NighthawkNZ]

no i just dont take advice not relevant to the question at hand the dangerous driving thread i just got dug into, and the majority of posts barely scraped the origional question asked.

but it is all relevant...

[avgas]

a riding course teaches you skills on controlling the bike, i already have those, i need skills to control myself.
I had the same issue bud, i used to do a 2 hour session on a 200kg punching bag with no gloves.
This is not a piss take - its the hard truth.
Either limit your self or face the consequences.

[avgas]

Something that occurred to me now that may help here.
Back when i was reckless and young - i had a nice accident.
In that accident the usual life flashes before your eyes etc but most importantly all the people i care about came to my mind.
I was not going to leave this place because i cared about them too much.
Since then that concept has always restricted me.
If you don't have anyone to care about, and are better off dead than there is no need for self control. Likewise whenever i feel angry at life - good luck at catching me on the bike.

[Hitcher]

this thread could save lives due to the information it contains.

You're the target audience. Are you fucking listening to any of the advice that's been given?

[terbang]

Fair enough Ixion. And by the way, nice to see you around these parts again. Stop for a while. Somehow I think that Mr Skidmark is more interested in seeking attention rather than solace for his riding behavior. But then as Ixion points out, there are others (like most of us) that can also benefit from this thread.

[jazbug5]

Self control / self discipline is the key. One of the best ways to learn this is a course in martial arts. You know you can hit the instructor hard but you also know and can feel the consequences.


There's a lot of good advice on this thread which I haven't had a chance to read yet, but this is one suggestion that I would like to back up in particular.
I don't think you should get back on a bike for a while- unless it's a treadly. You need to learn discipline, starting maybe with the blow to the ego that clearly would involve for you.

I think that after a year with a good school you would not only have much improved aggression control, but some pride in the skills you'd been learning. You should talk to a few people who have spent years training: they will tell you the same thing. I've seen a lot of young guys similar to you come along to the various clubs I've been a part of, and if they stayed, it's been the making of them. One ended up boxing for Scotland within a couple of years.
Most certainly have improved self discipline and improved lives.
You could do a lot in a year, but you need to make some sacrifices and work hard. There is no other, easier way to get there- but trust me, you will be glad you did.
(I hope I'm not talking to myself, here. That's always so embarrassing.)

[Deviant Esq]

I don't do stupid shit because I don't want to do stupid shit. I don't find it fun lanesplitting through traffic at 80km/h or pulling high risk maneuvers in built up areas... the biggest problem you seem to have, Mark, is a serious lack of a sense of time and place. Most people who ride sports bikes and like getting a move on (and let's face it, that's most of us who like sports bikes, the whole idea of owning one is carving up some twisties), but they also know when and where it's a little more acceptable.

Face it - if you love that stuff you're not going to want to change... but change when and where you do it. Get your fix another way, go to a track day or blast around your favourite set of twisties but away from a built up area and don't overdo it, sure isn't a race. From that point of view, try riding alone too... you hurry less and watch your lines more.

Good luck mate. :niceone:

[jrandom]

(I hope I'm not talking to myself, here. That's always so embarrassing.)

No need to worry about that. I always listen to you.

:drinknsin

I'm not sure why Mark keeps posting all this stuff, to be honest. I suspect it's just canonical trolling behaviour - posting for the sole purpose of getting a response. Any response. The more, the better. Beats being lonely.

My only problem with martial arts training is, of course, the potential for injury. I have issues with getting my head smacked around; I can't afford work downtime due to concussion.

Which is why I keep meaning to start doing some regular BJJ training. :)

[Maha]

why the fuck are people attacking skidmark for asking advice???

just noticed that some of the more offending posts have been removed since last night!

I was being honest...not attacking at all....i like the guy.....:girlfight:

[HDTboy]

a riding course teaches you skills on controlling the bike, i already have those, i need skills to control myself.

If you can't control yourself how can you say you can control the bike?
It's well known that a fast bike needs a fast rider to make it go fast. Therefore a rider needs to be controlled to make sure his bike is controlled.

MDU is talking a whole lot of sense, I'll accompany him to a morgue if he can arrange it.

[NighthawkNZ]

Get your fix another way, go to a track day...

The track days are good idea and will either show he has the skills that he thinks and says he has or that he needs to do a RRRS course to learn a few more skills that can be handy on the road and on the track, and the track day will also be good to know when and where to do that over taking maneuver, knowing his own skill level, knowing his bike what it can and can’t do, knowing the track, knowing his opponent on the track, knowing opponents skills what he possible will and won’t can and can’t do… knowing the rules to your advantage to win. All this uses self control.

Self control is also saying you don't know everything as you haven’t been in every situation... Self control is a willing to learn new skills, to better yourself, your skill base and yes even your riding. Self control is not making a decisions on impulse but stopping and thinking before you make that decision using all your given advise and input.

Mark you want to learn self control, take the step... this thread has shown you the door only you can walk through it...

[jrandom]

MDU is talking a whole lot of sense, I'll accompany him to a morgue if he can arrange it.

I'll come too.

[pritch]

SM,

If memory serves, you need a job, you need a place to live, and you could use some discipline.

Have you thought of joining the Army?

[Pumba]

SM, Have you thought of joining the Army?


It has been suggested more than once, I could be wrong but im pretty sure he laughed at the idea

[peasea]

Really? Get a bike that can't pass them at 50.

Otherwise, DO A RIDE RIGHT RIDE SAFE COURSE.

When you grow up you will realise. And growing up has nothing to do with getting older...

Quite right; I'm over fifty and think like a teen. I do get reminded about my age by my body from time to time though.

[ambler]

Keep this shit up and I'll put $50 on the fact you're dead in the next 5 years.
If you mean that, you're on. Let's say 9/11 2012 since that's an easy date to remember.

[jafar]

actually, recommending stupid stuff on the track is pretty fucking stupid itself. not to mention being stupid skydiving! now there's one sport that needs sensibility and self control - can't pull over to the roadside to have a think about what you're going to do next if it's not going well for you.

there's a difference between being fast, and being stupid, and if mark turned up at a race/trackday where i was riding, or out to the drop zone i jump at, and behaved like he did on the road, i'm sure i'll only be about 10th in a very long line waiting to thump him.

Interesting that you miss the whole point of someone like skidmark being on a track or a drop zone.
Either is a controlled environment & there are thrills there for those that do partake in these sports. As he is racing on the streets now, a track would be a far better place to showcase is talent ( or lack of ) than the roads that we all have to use to get around on.
If he keeps going as he is on public roads there is little chance of him being around to apply for his pension :devil2:

[ynot slow]

hellllllllllllllllllllllllll no, you aint getting me near that place!

Mate my wife would love to drag you into the morgue,when she was embalming had many stories of young people,4 boys from a family knocked off bikes without wearing helmets,not much to see so funeral director closed lid before parents could see damage,another time driveshaft went through windscreen decapitating driver.Then the time a bitch used her daughter as a punching bag,newspaper said girl was drowned,but she still had barbwire around the neck.

I do hope that you control your antics,my 2 daughters have licenses,one has her own car,would hate for them to get hurt as well,or for them to hurt anyone else from their inexperience driving,mind you if an idiot like you hurt them through stupidity on your part then your life wouldn't be worth living.

Keep the speed on the track

[smoky]

Does have any tips for keeping yourself under control while out riding.....
I just mean going along in traffic and cars going along in 50 kph zones at 60 ish, and resisting the urge to pass them, giving up the boredom i guess...

Don’t let all the bull shit good advice throw you Mark, I’ve never met you but I’ve met Zero – he’s all right. Apart from being more vocal about your rashness, stunts and stupidity you’re probably no different to most young guys I know who have ridden bikes.

There are those who have been where you’re at – and have modified their behaviour as they got on in life. My motivation came from a practical sources, lack of money – I could ride my bike more often, afford a better bike if I didn’t pay so many fines (1985 I paid $1400 in one year), if I didn’t flush my rubber down the toilet with burnouts and locking up and break my bike on a regular basis.
Boredom – when I was young my life drifted and was rather pointless, I got on a bike for a thrill, so of course I didn’t want to sit behind some nana in a Ford Cortina.
Now my life is full of responsibilities, children to contend with, a wife who gets on my case, a mortgage that just keeps getting bigger, bills that mount up, I’m not putting in enough at work and my desk is always full of work yet to be done, I need to spend more time at home, so I got a bike to get out and relax, clear the head, so I don’t care if some nana in a Toyota Corona holds me up.
In other words mate – get a life, it will distract you from killing your self.

[0arbreaka]

Come visit a morgue with me and a few squids. I want you guys to see the slabs you'll end up on if you can't stop this impulsive stupidity.
I want you squids to see the needles they use to drain your blood then pump in the embalming fliuids. Come and take a look at the stainless steel table with the drain at one end to stop a mess being made while any other bodily fluids escape.
Come and smell the clinical smell of the room, and feel the cold.
Come and see the makeup they apply to make you look as normal as possible so your relatives don't reel in horror at a smashed up face on the front of their loved one.
Come and meet the guy that would probably use the needles and makeup on your sorry arse while he stands over yet another young guy that died trying to impress his mates, or save 1 minute on a journey from A to B.
You up for it? Serious offer... c'mon. I did it at 17 and it was an absolute eye opener.

I already offered to take him but he turned me down. The smell is a combination of what I'd say is formaldahyde and decomposing flesh, its suprisingly not that bad, but thats probably due to the fact that I can relate the smell of decomp to dead possums on the farm. I think even seeing the room where they place your cadaver to be identified would be enough to scare him into submission. Even seeing the fridges where they keep the cadavers may be enough. Believe me Ive been to the city mortuary many times.

[westie]

Its all a bit crazy in here markskids.
I have found this little pearl of wisdom helpful at times.

"If you think you might be doing something wrong, then you probably are"

You are taking responsibility by admitting it.
Great work. Keep on it

[bert_is_evil]

DAMMIT! I just wasted another 5 minutes of my life reading this, I even made a post yesterday. :brick: I think I need to start my own thread "Self control - how do I avoid skidmarks baiting threads"

[MSTRS]

Interesting concept? - a (non)biker listening to a skilled biker...
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=913889&postcount=106

[jonbuoy]

Try and stay emotionless.

[Chrislost]

you could always get stoned like a rock.
then you would be going 30 and still thinking you were going 80...
your ADHD would be happy, you too and perhaps even the police wouldnt bother you as much!


:scooter::spudwave:

[Constable Plod]

Skidmark,
I havent spent much time on this site for the last year or so but here is my two cents worth.

Your original question was one of self control. At the end of the day it goes beyond that, self control is not the issue. It seems to me that you need to weigh up the decisions you make.
You gave the example of overtaking a vehicle ahead doing 50ks etc. What do you achieve by doing this?
My thinking is this.

1) That you can go faster than a car - so what
2) That you must be the head of the queue - grow up
3) That you are in a hurry and can get to your destination faster - leave earlier

Either way there is no real reason or reward for overtaking the vehicle, you just need to realise this. If you extend this reasoning to all of your antics you will quickly realise that the risk outweighs the action/reward. In your case it seems that the risks are getting caught, getting hurt or dying.

I have been to too many accidents that only happened because someone thought that they had something to proove, did not plan ahead, did not think ahead, were not serious about driving/riding or just plain did not give a rats arse about anyone else. Perhaps the morgue visit would do you a world of good.

The last bike accident that I attended was a bike rider vs pole, guess who won. I am picking that he lifeless carcass that I viewed on the side of the road was in the same situation as you some minutes prior, he needed to weigh up his decision process and act accordingly.

Time to grow up skidmark, you are not invincible, you give bikers a bad name and ultimatley will hurt alot of other people.

You dont have a self control issue, you have a cognitive ability issue - sort it out.

[jonbuoy]

Its not easy controlling the red mist, especially on a bike. Your adrenaline is already pumping and you can do things other road users can't. You'll have to get it sorted if you want to keep riding - especially if you move up to a big bore in line four.

[vifferman]

Hey all, well here goes i know you will probably all shoot me down in flames but what the hell i need to sort this out.

Does have any tips for keeping yourself under control while out riding, and no i'm not going to do ride right ride safe or any of that crap.
You're screwed, Mark.
The only answer is to grow up (literally), as your frontal lobe isn't yet fully developed:
http://www.aa.co.nz/about/media/Pages/Researchprojectconfirmshigher-leveldrivingskillstrainingimprovesyoungdriversafet y.aspx

[marty]

Interesting that you miss the whole point of someone like skidmark being on a track or a drop zone.
Either is a controlled environment & there are thrills there for those that do partake in these sports. As he is racing on the streets now, a track would be a far better place to showcase is talent ( or lack of ) than the roads that we all have to use to get around on.
If he keeps going as he is on public roads there is little chance of him being around to apply for his pension :devil2:


actually, i think a track or DZ would be great, i had issue with the comment of leave the stupid stuff for the track - my point was it's not a place to ride/behave like that.

[Ocean1]

You're screwed, Mark.
The only answer is to grow up (literally), as your frontal lobe isn't yet fully developed:

10 pages to get this, amazing.

The salient fact in the dude's query is in fact that he can't behave safely on a bike. The reason isn't some deliberate and premeditated lack of control, it's a perfectly natural lack of control. If in fact the dude has ADHD the shortcoming is even worse (for exactly the same reason) but the real problem is that no teenaged male has the developmental capacity for sensible impulse control safe enough to be on the road on anything more than a step-through.

As Viff points out, the pre-frontal lobe typically continues to develop until well into the 20's, and that's where both social behaviour and risk assesment skills are made. Sure I'll get shot but christ it's obvious, the data's easy enough to find. We shouldn't be allowing such youngsters anywhere near high performance vehicles. That includes WRX's, Skylines and any street bike capable of feeding an adrenaline hunger. Rage away about "rights" by all means, the facts are there for anyone to find.

[cbr guy]

Hey all, well here goes i know you will probably all shoot me down in flames but what the hell i need to sort this out.

Does have any tips for keeping yourself under control while out riding, and no i'm not going to do ride right ride safe or any of that crap.

I just mean going along in traffic and cars going along in 50 kph zones at 60 ish, and resisting the urge to pass them, giving up the boredom i guess...

Has Anybody had similar problems in thier youth that they found easy solutions for, thanks in advance.

I have to get myself under control.

Regards: Mark


i like to think about the extra fuel and engine wear and tear that speeding causes, slows me right down!

[Morcs]

I agree with Ipod. Get ya ass on a track. Get all the go-faster-ness outta ya system.

[Sanx]

Buy a mountain bike. Practice wheelies and stoppies on that; it might not be the same, but it'll teach you fine control that does translate into something you can use on a motorbike. That's how Chris Pfeiffer started, and no-one doubts his prowess on two wheels...

[Mom]

Does have any tips for keeping yourself under control while out riding, and no i'm not going to do ride right ride safe or any of that crap.



I have to get myself under control.

Regards: Mark

man you make it so hard to help you sometimes.

The things that stop me from attempting to kill myself or others when I am out on the road will not mean a lot to you love, I have children, who will present me with grandkids that I want to see grow up. I have a wonderful husband that I want to spend a very long time with. I have great friends whose company I want to enjoy for a long time to come.

Actually...........the friends thing could work for you, you have friends that will be very upset if something happened to you, maybe you could focus a bit on how other people might feel about what happens to you/or what you do :done:

[oldrider]

Mark, I was sitting here contemplating some of the things you post about and it occurred to me that as a twenty year old you might be a little bit stir crazy.

Question: Have you ever been out of Auckland?

Another thing, do your parents (or siblings etc) share your love of motorbikes?

Have you ever done any long taxing rides that kicks the shit out of those wild urges to do silly things and leaves you just able to make the destination rather than burn energy on dickhead stuff?

If the answers to the questions above are no, then you are probably a ball of testosterone and energy screaming for help!

If you are, feel free to PM me and tell me your story, I just might be able to help by listening to what ever it is that's busting your arse! Cheers John.

PS: You got almost 21yrs of life experience and I have almost 68, there must be something we can work out!

Maybe you can teach me how to fuck up the rest of my life! :lol:

[Animal]

Originally Posted by pritch008
SM, Have you thought of joining the Army?

And that has to be the absolute best bit of advice posted on this thead! Taking the bike out of the Mark/Bike/Menace/Self-contol equation and replacing it with hard work and discipline might just be the best step in Mark's evolution. Good call, IMO.

[Holy Roller]

Change the type of bike one rides
Most bikes these days have limits far beyound what us mere mortals are able to exploit. I brought a XR500 for that very reason to slow me down. It was a heap of fun both off road and on road. My GPZ550 found me twisting the throtle more often than needed, a couple of offs didn't even slow me down so a cruiser was next in line a XV500 another fun bike travelled both islands on that, now the armchair is comfort with sounds not overly fast. Guess it has taken me a while, like several decades, to gain some measure of self control, who am I kidding:Punk:

[skidMark]

Change the type of bike one rides
Most bikes these days have limits far beyound what us mere mortals are able to exploit. I brought a XR500 for that very reason to slow me down. It was a heap of fun both off road and on road. My GPZ550 found me twisting the throtle more often than needed, a couple of offs didn't even slow me down so a cruiser was next in line a XV500 another fun bike travelled both islands on that, now the armchair is comfort with sounds not overly fast. Guess it has taken me a while, like several decades, to gain some measure of self control, who am I kidding:Punk:

you said the word....CRUISER...

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

won't somebody please think of the children!

[RON SOAK]

Fucko mr Skidmark - you look like a lost cause.......just take your impending demise like a man..or boy...and make sure non of us are around to see the mess

[skidMark]

Fucko mr Skidmark - you look like a lost cause.......just take your impending demise like a man..or boy...and make sure non of us are around to see the mess

who the fuck are you lol

[ceebie13]

There's a lot of good advice on this thread which I haven't had a chance to read yet....

Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome to the stage KB's resident psychic... (drum roll) Jazbug5!!!!(cymbal crash) :clap::2thumbsup:clap:

[ceebie13]

Mark, all this worldy advice is obviously giving you sleepless nights, mate ...judging by the time of your last post!! WTF???

[jazbug5]

Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome to the stage KB's resident psychic... (drum roll) Jazbug5!!!!(cymbal crash) :clap::2thumbsup:clap:

SNark! I, er, meant hadn't had time to read it all thoroughly and... er, that the rest I didn't look at was likely to be good as well.... Oh... boo.
I've almost dug my way back through to you guys, haven't I!
Heh.

[smoky]

Hey skidmark – now you’ve read thru the good the bad and the ugly on your thread, I’m curious to know what you think, honestly – not sarcastically.

What comment gave you something to think about
Are you still thinking of modifying your riding aggression
Have you come up with a plan or what

That’s of course presuming this thread wasn’t a wind up like some have suggested.
There will be others who have read this thread who have the same problem or questions – how about some real feed back.

[SimJen]

obviously this thread is a waste of time, perhaps next time he posts something if everyone chose to ignore it, he might go away :)

[skidMark]

The plan thats worked so far....

is i have put all my tickets up on my bedroom wall...not as a i'm proud of them, as i holy shit thats alot of money i couldve spent on other things.....it's worked so far.....

ive been a good boy for one whole day lol

hope i can continue it...seriously

[Colapop]

Gotta say, you seem to be really putting some serious thought into things lately. That in itself has to be commended. Keep it up every day and I reckon you'll get to where you wanna go.

[avgas]

If you ever want to borrow my titanium pin and xrays. Just ask.

[oldrider]

The plan thats worked so far....

is i have put all my tickets up on my bedroom wall...not as a i'm proud of them, as i holy shit thats alot of money i couldve spent on other things.....it's worked so far.....

ive been a good boy for one whole day lol

hope i can continue it...seriously

Hey, that's a familiar story, did the same thing myself but I was a wee bit younger than you are.

It's bloody hard digging your self out of hole like you keep suggesting that you are in but you are heading in the right direction!

One whole day, make that the first day of the rest of your life, you are well on your way now! :yes:

Remember though, nobody said it would be easy. :niceone: Cheers John.

[doc]

Hey all, well here goes i know you will probably all shoot me down in flames but what the hell i need to sort this out.

Does have any tips for keeping yourself under control while out riding, and no i'm not going to do ride right ride safe or any of that crap.

I just mean going along in traffic and cars going along in 50 kph zones at 60 ish, and resisting the urge to pass them, giving up the boredom i guess...

Has Anybody had similar problems in thier youth that they found easy solutions for, thanks in advance.

I have to get myself under control.


Regards: MarkIf one was to be really really really honest and wanted to be in control . No sensible person would be riding motorcycles. Don't annoy Hitcher anymore. I'm sucking up here.
Motorcycles aren't for those that don't enjoy stimulation. If you want to be real get a Lada and Degree.

[The Stranger]

The plan thats worked so far....

is i have put all my tickets up on my bedroom wall...not as a i'm proud of them, as i holy shit thats alot of money i couldve spent on other things.....it's worked so far.....

ive been a good boy for one whole day lol

hope i can continue it...seriously

So did it make a difference to your riding last night?

[Morcs]

Is this thread still going?

Its one of many of the long Mark bashing threads, hell we should put them all together in their own forum. For those who wanna read the same shit over and over just in different threads...

[skidMark]

So did it make a difference to your riding last night?


it did, especially once my throttle cable snapped.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

If you ever want to borrow my titanium pin and xrays. Just ask.

I'll lend you my K-rod and X-rays as well. When I woke up during surgery (!) I thought I was in a bloody engineering shop (intensive care - Greenlane)

[hyobad]

Yup... 2 things

1) LooseBruce will be in no hurry to see you again. He'll be watching I'm sure, and you guys can catch up soon enough... but give it another 70 years ok?
2) Come visit a morgue with me and a few squids. I want you guys to see the slabs you'll end up on if you can't stop this impulsive stupidity.

I want you squids to see the needles they use to drain your blood then pump in the embalming fliuids. Come and take a look at the stainless steel table with the drain at one end to stop a mess being made while any other bodily fluids escape.

Come and smell the clinical smell of the room, and feel the cold.

Come and see the makeup they apply to make you look as normal as possible so your relatives don't reel in horror at a smashed up face on the front of their loved one.

Come and meet the guy that would probably use the needles and makeup on your sorry arse while he stands over yet another young guy that died trying to impress his mates, or save 1 minute on a journey from A to B.

You up for it? Serious offer... c'mon. I did it at 17 and it was an absolute eye opener.

Aha!

I understand completely,

Live for a long time not a good time.

When senility and dementure set in your last years, when your old withered organs that weren't meant to function at 80+ are cashing in there final cheques, you'll be able to remember all those fun times you had riding slowly with your high vis on. No sorry thats going to far, keeping an eye out for those dangerous motorcyclists whilst driving down to the RSA in your wee ford econocar.

Yes, completely agree with you.

[ManDownUnder]

Yeah that's the one - I have a hard time cracking 90 most days.

Know me before you spout off at me... and take your piss somewhere else.

Aha!

I understand completely,

Live for a long time not a good time.

When senility and dementure set in your last years, when your old withered organs that weren't meant to function at 80+ are cashing in there final cheques, you'll be able to remember all those fun times you had riding slowly with your high vis on. No sorry thats going to far, keeping an eye out for those dangerous motorcyclists whilst driving down to the RSA in your wee ford econocar.

Yes, completely agree with you.

[sunhuntin]

Aha!

I understand completely,

Live for a long time not a good time.

When senility and dementure set in your last years, when your old withered organs that weren't meant to function at 80+ are cashing in there final cheques, you'll be able to remember all those fun times you had riding slowly with your high vis on. No sorry thats going to far, keeping an eye out for those dangerous motorcyclists whilst driving down to the RSA in your wee ford econocar.

Yes, completely agree with you.

so you would rather someone like mark kills themselves riding like an idiot, and several thousand members here say "we told him so" and his parents die heartbroken? parents are not meant to bury their children. its not about riding so carefully that its pointless, its about not riding like a maniac while still having fun.

the virago has reached a speed of 120k, never popped a wheelie [that i know of] and has been in the ownership of 7 others before me. shes taken me to the bottom of the south island and back over 11 days and never missed a bear. i still have a great time every single time we go out, and having her in getting serviced today felt like my leg had been cut off.

[jazbug5]

...shes taken me to the bottom of the south island and back over 11 days and never missed a bear.

So- do you have a 'notch' system, or do you keep a garland of iddle furry ears attached to your bike somehow..?

[sunhuntin]

So- do you have a 'notch' system, ..?

yeh, i do actually. its called an odometer.

[smoky]

so you would rather someone like mark kills themselves riding like an idiot, ...... its not about riding so carefully that its pointless, its about not riding like a maniac while still having fun.

the virago has reached a speed of 120k, never popped a wheelie ..... i still have a great time every single time we go out,

I think I would soon be looking for a little more if I was riding a virago for too long. But that's about personal choice – and what level of thrill you get use to or find an acceptable risk for you.

Like someone who rides a 250 and is a little inexperienced, still finds himself in a over cooked situation and still sorting some of the basics out – then the risk is probably to high and unacceptable riding at higher speeds or pushing it a bit. But some riders I know on KB would find riding pointless at that level and their level of acceptable risk is higher.

We all need to understand where our limits are, when we get too confident is when things can go wrong.
Riding a bike you’re also exposed to the random elements that can take you out at anytime, regardless of how safe you think you’re being.

Riding a bike is not about how fast or how others ride – it’s about the balance of risk taking – learn that art and you can take that skill into the business arena as well.

[jazbug5]

yeh, i do actually. its called an odometer.

Don't you mean an urseometer?






I'm flogging this thing to death, aren't I...

[skidMark]

i dunno jazbug...u tell me lol

[Wolf]

I'm flogging this thing to death, aren't I...
Dunno, I'm still wondering how many bears she found in the South Island.

[sunhuntin]

Don't you mean an urseometer?






I'm flogging this thing to death, aren't I...

a what?

wolf.... more than we could count, and way more than the bike could carry! LOL. had to post em home in about 5 or 6 of the biggest boxes the post shops stock. did have a photo, but the mem. card went wacko and wiped them.

[Edbear]

When I woke up during surgery (!)



Doncha jes' hate it when that happens...?

[inlinefour]

i dunno...u tell me lol

You could start listening/reading and considering what it is in these threads that you do not like. I don't think joining a martial arts training group will help, you do not appear to be the type of lad that tends to see things through. Not sure if joining the armed forces would be a good idea either, you might end up making plenty of problems there, assuming you would be allowed to enlist. But its also quite possible that something like the army could force you to get things squared away nicely. Getting a smaller/less powerfull bike might not work either, as it could mean that you continue doing dangerous riding, but spend more time doing it on a slower bike. One definite way to stop Mark, would be by getting rid of your bike(s), but thats a harsh option. Your more than welcome to come around here and have a look at all my equipment, wheelchair and get a rundown on what its like to be a paraplegic. As I suspect your unlikely to take me up on this option either, I will post for the first time a picture of what I did to my back. Mark, please remember that I did all this damage on a 125cc bike and it was not on the road. Maybe you can print off this picture, put it on the wall next to the tickets and start considering the risks? Good luck Mark, half the battle is over as you can admit to the problem. The other half of the battle is now to be won, by successfully doing something about it and utimately, it will come from within. :pinch:

[sunhuntin]

top post, john. very well said.

[megageoff76]

Yep, good post. Reading that would make anyone slow down.

[inlinefour]

top post, john. very well said.


Yep, good post. Reading that would make anyone slow down.

Dunno, I thought about what to post for awhile as I am aware that alot of what has been posted for Mark's benefit might have fallen on deaf ears. But hopefully the reality of life could change that, I just hope Mark has taken the time to read it and also think about it.
Mind you, if it gets one biker to slow down and avoid a bin, its gotta be all good. :niceone:

[smoky]

Mind you, if it gets one biker to slow down and avoid a bin, its gotta be all good. :niceone:

Dear inline4 – while I respect your sentiment and feel for your tragedy, I didn’t think speed was a factor in your accident, in fact I thought you were in the sand at the time?

Do you believe no one should exceed the speed limit? At all?

[inlinefour]

Dear inline4 – while I respect your sentiment and feel for your tragedy, I didn’t think speed was a factor in your accident, in fact I thought you were in the sand at the time?

Do you believe no one should exceed the speed limit? At all?

If you think any of the above, apart for being on the sand, you'd be wrong. Do you think I rode around at 100kph on the CBR? Ask some of the people I rode with and offline they will tell you what sort of rider I was. My accident, I was going as fast as the CR125R could go, hence the serious injuries, I was no stranger to speed. The above post was specifically aimed at skidMark, who admits to a problem and apparently would like to do something about it. I think its a good idea myself, because I would not want to see any rider end up like myself, or worse. You think that is a bad thing?

[smoky]

Do you think I rode around at 100kph on the CBR? Ask some of the people I rode with and offline they will tell you what sort of rider I was. I was no stranger to speed. ......

I wasn't questioning your reputation as a rider


I think its a good idea myself, because I would not want to see any rider end up like myself, or worse. You think that is a bad thing?

I wasn't suggesting it was a bad thing - I for one would not encourage anyone to ride like an idiot.

But as a result of what happened to you - you are in a position to give a unique perspective, so my question was; do you advocate everyone should refrain from exceeding the speed limits?

[inlinefour]

I wasn't questioning your reputation as a rider



I wasn't suggesting it was a bad thing - I for one would not encourage anyone to ride like an idiot.

But as a result of what happened to you - you are in a position to give a unique perspective, so my question was; do you advocate everyone should refrain from exceeding the speed limits?

No I do not think everyone should refrain, but there is allways a time and a place to do so. When someone cannot tell the difference, thats when the problems tend to occur. :spanking:

[skidMark]

You could start listening/reading and considering what it is in these threads that you do not like. I don't think joining a martial arts training group will help, you do not appear to be the type of lad that tends to see things through. Not sure if joining the armed forces would be a good idea either, you might end up making plenty of problems there, assuming you would be allowed to enlist. But its also quite possible that something like the army could force you to get things squared away nicely. Getting a smaller/less powerfull bike might not work either, as it could mean that you continue doing dangerous riding, but spend more time doing it on a slower bike. One definite way to stop Mark, would be by getting rid of your bike(s), but thats a harsh option. Your more than welcome to come around here and have a look at all my equipment, wheelchair and get a rundown on what its like to be a paraplegic. As I suspect your unlikely to take me up on this option either, I will post for the first time a picture of what I did to my back. Mark, please remember that I did all this damage on a 125cc bike and it was not on the road. Maybe you can print off this picture, put it on the wall next to the tickets and start considering the risks? Good luck Mark, half the battle is over as you can admit to the problem. The other half of the battle is now to be won, by successfully doing something about it and utimately, it will come from within. :pinch:

fuck that looks cool.

[Steam]

fuck that looks cool.

Only for a certain value of [cool] where [cool] = [really not cool]

[mstriumph]

............................
Has Anybody had similar problems in thier youth that they found easy solutions for, thanks in advance.

I have to get myself under control.

Regards: Mark

shit, fella
what on EARTH makes you think that 'youth' has anything to do with anything? ;)

[skidMark]

shit, fella
what on EARTH makes you think that 'youth' has anything to do with anything? ;)


Young, dumb...

and fulla cum.

[fireball]

Young, dumb...

and fulla cum.


getting laid once and awhile fixes that problem.....

.. so no excuses (for most of us)

[caesius]

I think I used to be like you when I first got my bike. Then I got like a $600 fine, two thirds of that was for having no L-plate but I promise you that stopped any "erratic behavior" on my part.

From what I've read you have a few fines? Do they not do the same for you?

[peasea]

shit, fella
what on EARTH makes you think that 'youth' has anything to do with anything? ;)

Youth is wasted on the young.

[pritch]

No I do not think everyone should refrain, but there is allways a time and a place to do so. When someone cannot tell the difference, thats when the problems tend to occur. :spanking:

John

Good one, have bling...

[pritch]

Young, dumb...

and fulla cum.

Or to quote Jamie Oliver's even more appropriate,
"young, dumb, and living at home with mum."

[sunhuntin]

Or to quote Jamie Oliver's even more appropriate,
"young, dumb, and living at home with mum."

mmm, yeh, but didnt mark get kicked out? :jerry:

[smoky]

Young, dumb...

and fulla cum.

Over 40

and still full of naughty:devil2:

[inlinefour]

fuck that looks cool.

If you really think that is cool, is there no hope for you?

I feel that my post might have fallen of your deaf ears?

Hopefully a few other riders have absorbed it though, considering the bling it recieved.

[inlinefour]

If you really think that is cool, is there no hope for you?

I feel that my post might have fallen of your deaf ears?

Hopefully a few other riders have absorbed it though, considering the bling it recieved.

I think I'll just go back to the theory that skidMark is half full of bull and the other half full of shit. I guess also that Mark is merely doing it all for attention. I'm going back to giving the boy shyte online, as it would appear thats all he is good for. :bash:

[Blackbird]

I think I'll just go back to the theory that skidMark is half full of bull and the other half full of shit. I guess also that Mark is merely doing it all for attention. I'm going back to giving the boy shyte online, as it would appear thats all he is good for. :bash:

How about putting him on your ignore list? Much better for your blood pressure and it won't lead to tears down the track:calm:

Geoff

[fireball]

mark....

was it you i saw the other night out highland park riding with no gloves on?

that is a stupid thing to do, if you come off kiss your hands goodbye....

but on the bright side we wont have to read this shit anymore if you got no hands.....:clap:

[ZeroIndex]

mark....

was it you i saw the other night out highland park riding with no gloves on?

that is a stupid thing to do, if you come off kiss your hands goodbye....

but on the bright side we wont have to read this shit anymore if you got no hands.....:clap:
He will be able to read... he'll just have an awfully fun time trying to respond...

[sunhuntin]

mark....


but on the bright side we wont have to read this shit anymore if you got no hands.....:clap:

took the word right offa my keyboard!

[inlinefour]

How about putting him on your ignore list? Much better for your blood pressure and it won't lead to tears down the track:calm:

Geoff

However I think these days I'm too laid back to let this sort of thing bother me what so ever.
Marks just the young lad on KiwiBiker who has finally cried wolf far too often. I'm more likely to have a good laugh at anyone who is getting upset at nayone giving Mark lip when he starts his next "oh woe is me" thread". Which in reality, should be the sort of thing that gets moved to PD, as so far, offers of advice for the boy has been a total waste of time.
It was a pity that his "I need a job, but don't want to work" thread was deleted when the site crashed, as one reference to that was a good indication of what skidMark is like.
As for the blood pressure and tears, highly unlikely, as I'll just be laughing and that is the one thing that Mark is good for here. :laugh:

[fireball]

He will be able to read... he'll just have an awfully fun time trying to respond...

and he will still be young dumb and fulla cum as he so put it himself :shutup:

[Usarka]

Has Anybody had similar problems in thier youth that they found easy solutions for, thanks in advance.


There aren't any easy solutions in life. What looks easy for others is usually the result of effort on their part, effort that you didnt see.

Life isn't easy. It's hard. Harden up.