XT660R or KLR650 ??

[QMOTO]

Im at a loss as to which one I should go for so Im putting it out there for your comments
I plan to ride a fair bit of highway to get to destinations of interest such as roads out back of Raglan, Waikerimoana, even some South ISland roads and trails, I need a bike capable on the highway as well as a bike very capable off road.
To me the 2008 KLR is ahead on practicality but its a bit ugly, the XT660R (21 front wheel) is a looker but not so great on Practicality, ie small tank, luggage carrying capacity small screen etc
It sounds like I have made it sound like a easy decision ....go for the KLR650, I am however really keen to hear your thoughts on it.
I want to discover some back roads and obscure places I have never been to before without having any road limitations that I would have if ridden on a sportsbike.
Im keen to hear your thoughts

[cooneyr]

Im at a loss as to which one I should go for so Im putting it out there for your comments
I plan to ride a fair bit of highway to get to destinations of interest such as roads out back of Raglan, Waikerimoana, even some South ISland roads and trails, I need a bike capable on the highway as well as a bike very capable off road.
To me the 2008 KLR is ahead on practicality but its a bit ugly, the XT660R (21 front wheel) is a looker but not so great on Practicality, ie small tank, luggage carrying capacity small screen etc
It sounds like I have made it sound like a easy decision ....go for the KLR650, I am however really keen to hear your thoughts on it.
I want to discover some back roads and obscure places I have never been to before without having any road limitations that I would have if ridden on a sportsbike.
Im keen to hear your thoughts

Dont know a whole heap about either of these but my 2cents worth - dirt worthy to road worthy order would be (excluding a few)
DR650, XT660R, KLR650, F650GS Dakar, F650GS

The fuel injection would probably have slightly better fuel consumption and as long as you have about 200kms range then fuel is not too much of a problem in the SI unless you are doing lots of riding after hours then you need about 300kms.

Which seat is more comfortable for you? I dont mind the DR650 seat for 8 hours but others hate it. Other thing is the wind protection or lack there off. The XT660R doesnt have as much wind protection but that may not worry you either.

The XT660R will be slightly better on rougher stuff but if you are interested in gravel and sealed roads then the KLR650 will be all good. Other bikes to consider are Transalp, and the F650GS Dakar.

You probably already knew all of this already though. :zzzz:

Usual final comment - ride them both and see which one floats your boat.

Cheers
R

[NordieBoy]

The new DR650's have dropped in price again.
I think they're less than $8000 now.

[HDTboy]

Let me know if you want to demo an F650, or R1150

[QMOTO]

Let me know if you want to demo an F650, or R1150

Okay mate, done the F650 in the past, the KLR will eat it, would love a 1150 but to damn expensve for me unfortunetly mate, cheers for the offer

[HTFU]

where they selling them for less than $8000. Can't find it on website

[Crisis management]

I've not ridden either of them so can't comment on the merits.
However, that won't stop me dribbling on about other shit I know nothing about so.....

Based on my DR experiences:
Light weight and handling are more fun than driving elephants.
(having said that, despite my best efforts, other bikes / riders are still faster than that so maybe skill is a bigger contributor than bike)
Fuel capacity is nice, reserve at 180km's is not a fuel range it's a restriction.
Luggage carrying is neccessary.
A screen is bloody useful, wind at 110km's gets old in a hurry.
A comfortably seat is preferable......
A centrestand would be good?
You will fall off it, which one will get older first?

After all that, stop procrastinating and go and buy one, you can always sell it later like the rest of us!

[marks]

Hi Quasi

I have an xt660x which is a great road bike and a crappy trail bike. It would be better than the klr in just about every area other than off road.

The xt660 would be the fastest and most comfortable but the price difference is a killer - xt660r's are about 12 grand. Thats a massive hike over the klr650 or dr650.

Is there a reason you didn't include the dr650 in your list of choices? - I would have thought it would superior to the klr in most respects.

If I was choosing again I would most probably make the boring choice and buy a dr650 - it might have been designed in the 80's with technology from the 70's but it seems to still do the business at a sensible price.

*btw - a screen is available for the xt plus a bashplate. And at 15 liters the petrol tank is not a limiting factor - I easily get 220km and still have a couple of liters left.

cheers

Mark

[pete376403]

I've got an '08 (unless there is a better way of describing the updated version) KLR and I think it is excellent all round. Went away for a sealed road / gravel road trip last weekend http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=56309&page=2 with a DR650, dakar 650, KTM950 and an older klr for company. KLR performed very well, handled all I asked of it, was comfortable at speeds that would see me walking if stopped by cops, was more economical than the DR (but less so than the Dakar -EFI)
The DR was about $1k less at the time than the KLR, but the large tank, differnt bars. exhaust and other mods have taken the price beyond the $8900odd I paid.
I'd only consider the DR if I was into more hard core trail riding, but for adventure riding - which I'd say is riding on something legally described as a public road the KLR is great.

[NordieBoy]

where they selling them for less than $8000. Can't find it on website

New price list.
I'll see if I can confirm tomorrow.

[warewolf]

Based on my DR experiences:
Light weight and handling are more fun than driving elephants.
KTM 640 Adventure

(having said that, despite my best efforts, other bikes / riders are still faster than that so maybe skill is a bigger contributor than bike) Yeah, no argument there. But the corollary is, a good rider has the skills to cope with many deficiencies in any bike. Us mere mortals need all the help we can get.

Fuel capacity is nice, reserve at 180km's is not a fuel range it's a restriction.KTM 640 Adventure: 400km to reserve under mixed conditions (highway to 4wd track). Carries it lower than an aftermarket tank on a DR.

Luggage carrying is neccessary.KTM 640 Adventure has a rear rack and hard luggage is an option.

A screen is bloody useful, wind at 110km's gets old in a hurry.KTM 640 Adventure standard. 185km/h indicated and still accelerating... closed course private road occifer.

A comfortably seat is preferable......KTM 640 Adventure standard.

A centrestand would be good?KTM 640 Adventure standard.

You will fall off it, which one will get older first?Umm, pass, next question. But has been around with only minor tweaks for ten years.


After all that, stop procrastinating and go and buy one, you can always sell it later like the rest of us!Too right. Lotsa folks can't handle the vibes from a KTM 640 Adventure, or the seat height, or the buy-in price.

Shit stirring... who, me?! :dodge:

[RedKLR650]

I've got an '08 (unless there is a better way of describing the updated version) KLR and I think it is excellent all round. Went away for a sealed road / gravel road trip last weekend with a DR650, dakar 650, KTM950 and an older klr for company. KLR performed very well, handled all I asked of it, was comfortable at speeds that would see me walking if stopped by cops, was more economical than the DR

Now obviously I am biased, but having now done nearly 30,000kms on the "Old Shape" KLR, I think for the money you'd find them pretty hard to beat.

Writer mentioned not liking the look of the new KLR, well I'm with you there, although mine looks more agricultural :drool:, there's a lot less plastic to damage WHEN you come off ( Not if, because if that's the case, then you're not adventurous enough :sweatdrop: )

There are a 4 old style KLR650's on trademe at the moment, 2 brand new, and one identical to mine with a buy now of $8250 which you would find fairly hard to beat value for money........

Another advantage of the old style KLR is there is a HUGE range of aftermarket tweak parts ;) you can get that have been produced and improved over the 20 yrs this model has been produced.

If it's reliable enough for the US military :bash:, it will probably outlast you :scooter:

Give me a buzz if you'd like any specific questions answered

Cheers, Stu :scooter:

[clint640]

Image is Nothing. Performance is Everything. I find the Yamaha & the Kawasaki to be equally visually repellent anyway :-)

Personally, if I had the likes of a ZX14 in the shed, I'd be looking to the lighter, dirtier end of the big thumper adv bike spectrum & something like a DR650.

Cheers
Clint

[Crisis management]

Shit stirring... who, me?! :dodge:

Bastidge..........

[NordieBoy]

Shit stirring... who, me?! :dodge:

Sounds like someone trying to sell a KTM640A

It's still orange though...

:jerry:

[cooneyr]

KTM 640 Adventure
Yeah, no argument there. But the corollary is, a good rider has the skills to cope with many deficiencies in any bike. Us mere mortals need all the help we can get.
KTM 640 Adventure: 400km to reserve under mixed conditions (highway to 4wd track). Carries it lower than an aftermarket tank on a DR.
KTM 640 Adventure has a rear rack and hard luggage is an option.
KTM 640 Adventure standard. 185km/h indicated and still accelerating... closed course private road occifer.
KTM 640 Adventure standard.
KTM 640 Adventure standard.
Umm, pass, next question. But has been around with only minor tweaks for ten years.

Too right. Lotsa folks can't handle the vibes from a KTM 640 Adventure, or the seat height, or the buy-in price.

Shit stirring... who, me?! :dodge:

You never give up do you!!!:oi-grr:

Cheers
R

[chris]

KTM 640 Adventure
Yeah, no argument there. But the corollary is, a good rider has the skills to cope with many deficiencies in any bike. Us mere mortals need all the help we can get.
KTM 640 Adventure: 400km to reserve under mixed conditions (highway to 4wd track). Carries it lower than an aftermarket tank on a DR.
KTM 640 Adventure has a rear rack and hard luggage is an option.
KTM 640 Adventure standard. 185km/h indicated and still accelerating... closed course private road occifer.
KTM 640 Adventure standard.
KTM 640 Adventure standard.
Umm, pass, next question. But has been around with only minor tweaks for ten years.

Too right. Lotsa folks can't handle the vibes from a KTM 640 Adventure, or the seat height, or the buy-in price.

Shit stirring... who, me?! :dodge:

Does the vibration come as standard...?

[chris]

The new DR650's have dropped in price again.
I think they're less than $8000 now.
The DR250 is less than 8K, the 650 is still 9K.

[clint640]

Does the vibration come as standard...?

Absolutely! The vibration is necessary to scare off those who aren't man enough to ride a KTM :bleh:


...& by the time you have the thing set up properly & run in a lot of the vibes disappear anyway ;)

Cheers
Clint

[chris]

Absolutely! The vibration is necessary to scare off those who aren't man enough to ride a KTM :bleh:
Is that line taken from the sales brochure?

[Bass]

This thread interests me because I have been given an opportunity to circle Oz on an adventure bike - probably mid next year. However, first I have to buy one.
The guy I will be riding with is DR 650 mounted and so buying a DR has the following advantages: -

Cheap
Only one set of spares to carry between two of us.
Light weight (comparatively)

But also the following disadvantages: -

Needs new seat
needs bigger tank
Needs decent bash plate and hand protection
May need suspension upgrade


The other machine I am considering is the KLR. Advantages: -

Has big tank
Has good seat
Has much more power
Don't know about suspension

But also: -

More expensive
Water cooled (Been told of owner in Broome who says that in summer, the fan runs all the time. I don't want to be dependant on a toy fan in the middle of nowhere)
Much heavier

So, I am undecided.
Yamaha, KTM and BMW price themselves out of it.
I would be interested in candid and honest opinions.
Those with a barrow to push need not apply.
There could be significant ramifications for me here if I make a poor choice

[chris]

This thread interests me because I have been given an opportunity to circle Oz on an adventure bike - probably mid next year. However, first I have to buy one.
The guy I will be riding with is DR 650 mounted and so buying a DR has the following advantages: -

Cheap
Only one set of spares to carry between two of us.
Light weight (comparatively)

But also the following disadvantages: -

Needs new seat
needs bigger tank
Needs decent bash plate and hand protection
May need suspension upgrade


The other machine I am considering is the KLR. Advantages: -

Has big tank
Has good seat
Has much more power
Don't know about suspension

But also: -

More expensive
Water cooled (Been told of owner in Broome who says that in summer, the fan runs all the time. I don't want to be dependant on a toy fan in the middle of nowhere)
Much heavier

So, I am undecided.
Yamaha, KTM and BMW price themselves out of it.
I would be interested in candid and honest opinions.
Those with a barrow to push need not apply.
There could be significant ramifications for me here if I make a poor choice
The KLR is only about $500 more than a DR.

The mods to the DR are easily done. You could probably get away with the suspension as it is unless you're gonna try some serious off-road.
The DR is easily fixed, proven and can be picked up and ridden on if you drop it.

[Bass]

That's exactly the sort of stuff that I am after - factual and concise
Thanks
Also, apologies for the hijack - but since there is some commonality, I was hoping to be forgiven.

[chris]

That's exactly the sort of stuff that I am after - factual and concise
Thanks
I wouldn't say they were factual and concise so....

DR:
Fit a higher bend bar and risers. Standing becomes easier.
Handguards are easy to fit, Acerbis do a good range.
Bashplates. Again well worth fitting, I think Ballards do one.
Seat. Stand up lots and it isn't an issue otherwise fit a sheepskin cover.
There safari tank options available for the DR.
Unless you weigh over three figures, leave the suspension as it is. Lot easier to find replacement stuff if it's standard in the first place.
Engine and exhaust mods aren't necessary to be honest, leave them as they are.

KLR:
No experience although Graham Irvine of Darbi Accessories has bought one to travel South America on. A comfy seat and bigger tank are the first obvious differences to the DR along with a lot of fairing and plastics that could break in the event of a fall.

Go here (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206259) and ask all the questions you want on DRs. You will get decent info from owners who have already done what you want to.

[Crisis management]

Bass, if you want to discuss / look at / try out a DR send me a PM and I can wander down your way. (I've heard there are still a few bits of gravel in the Hunuas.)

[cooneyr]

....
But also the following disadvantages: -

Needs new seat
needs bigger tank
Needs decent bash plate and hand protection
May need suspension upgrade

........

I find the DR650 seat fine, I'm 115kgs geared up, dont use a sheepskin and have done a 20hour 720km day. Wasn't always so though. I've got long arms i.e. pass the ape test (finger tip to finger tip is longer than I am tall and I'm 6' 1.75") so sit quite a long way back i.e. the flatter wider part of the seat when cruising. When it gets wiggly I sit forward or when it gets really interesting I stand up. If you sit forward to mid seat all the time it is not so comfortable.

IMS 18 litre tank is about $270us (about $360 nz) from Just Gas Tanks (http://www.justgastanks.com/products.php?type=1&model=124) which gives you about 300kms range. A safari 30l tank is about $640us ($850nz) and gives you about 500km range. Both tanks lower the COG of the fuel load. I personally would go for the IMS unless really need the range.

As for suspension the stock DR is OK as long as you dont expect to travel at enduro bike speeds. I've done some interesting tracks (New Creek to Deniston, Porika) with about 20kgs gear (i.e. 135kgs all up) on top of full fuel load and it is not too bad. Soft panniers slung over the rear part of the seat don't affect the handling anywhere as much as a loaded up tail though (kinda obvious aye!).

Good luck
R

[Bass]

I find the DR650 seat fine,

Thanks for the help and the good wishes.

I've done about 50 km on the mate's DR but seal only. Maybe, I have a misshapen arse (although the wife tells me otherwise, but she's biassed), because I was starting to notice the seat after even that short run. Since I plan to be on it for about 2 months, I probably need to get it right.

[NordieBoy]

As for suspension the stock DR is OK as long as you dont expect to travel at enduro bike speeds. I've done some interesting tracks (New Creek to Deniston, Porika) with about 20kgs gear (i.e. 135kgs all up) on top of full fuel load and it is not too bad.

2 up going through the Maungatapu on the DR with stock suspension and it was brilliant.
Seemed to be pressed into the ground enough to make it really smooth.

Having said that, I wouldn't go back to stock sussies now though.

[NordieBoy]

DR:
Engine and exhaust mods aren't necessary to be honest, leave them as they are.

May not be necessary but they make a big difference.

[chris]

May not be necessary but they make a big difference.
What do you recommend?

[NordieBoy]

1st up would be removing the snorkle, raising the needle 2mm and grinding out the header weld - That'll get the jetting in the ballpark.
Then maybe drill the carb slide for quicker response off the bottom.
Adjust the mixture screw to suit.

$0

I did each bit on it's own and felt the difference each time.

Any more requires opening up the airbox first.
Backfire screen removal, dynojet kit, aftermarket exhaust.

[warewolf]

Only one set of spares to carry between two of us.

They'll all do the job, but this point alone has enough advantages to be the deciding factor.

You might save some fun vouchers by buying a Safari tank in Aus. You'll save shipping but will have to pay GST. Maybe try buying used over there?

What's your dirt bike experience? If you've only really ridden multi-cylinder road bikes (particularly recently), then any thumper dirt bike is going to vibrate, be gutless, and have a hard seat.

[warewolf]

It's still orange though...But getting blacker with time and use, as I have to apply more gaffer tape over the scrapes.:weep:

[busadayz]

Has any body turned a dr650 into a road only/motard machine,(smaller wheels, gearing for slighter higher cruising speed etc). Also how would they go around say the coro loop chasing a few mates. What are they like 2 up touring?

[far queue]

Has any body turned a dr650 into a road only/motard machine,(smaller wheels, gearing for slighter higher cruising speed etc). Also how would they go around say the coro loop chasing a few mates. What are they like 2 up touring?Have a look at the September Kiwi Rider mag, pages 14 + 15, there's an article all about it.

[mbazza]

Interesting thread with cool ideas. Thanks. Cheers.:2thumbsup

[pete376403]

This thread interests me because I have been given an opportunity to circle Oz on an adventure bike - probably mid next year. However, first I have to buy one.
The guy I will be riding with is DR 650 mounted and so buying a DR has the following advantages: -

Cheap
Only one set of spares to carry between two of us.
Light weight (comparatively)

But also the following disadvantages: -

Needs new seat
needs bigger tank
Needs decent bash plate and hand protection
May need suspension upgrade


The other machine I am considering is the KLR. Advantages: -

Has big tank
Has good seat
Has much more power
Don't know about suspension

But also: -

More expensive
Water cooled (Been told of owner in Broome who says that in summer, the fan runs all the time. I don't want to be dependant on a toy fan in the middle of nowhere)
Much heavier

So, I am undecided.
Yamaha, KTM and BMW price themselves out of it.
I would be interested in candid and honest opinions.
Those with a barrow to push need not apply.
There could be significant ramifications for me here if I make a poor choice
All the points you list are valid but - re the KLR cooling / fan issue - I have blanked off the lower half of the rad on my KLR to try and get it to warm up a little - even with that the temp guage never went more than 1/3 into the normal zone unless parked for 10 minutes or so with the engine running in which case it got to about half way. Once moving the temp dropped almost immediately. (Obviously central north Island last week is not Broome in high summer)
Also I woun't agree that the KLR is more powerful than the DR. In a side by side roll-on, my friends (lightly modified - exhaust and jetting) DR would beat the KLR. His DR is lighter by about 60kgs according to the interisland ferry weighbridges

[NordieBoy]

Also I woun't agree that the KLR is more powerful than the DR. In a side by side roll-on, my friends (lightly modified - exhaust and jetting) DR would beat the KLR. His DR is lighter by about 60kgs according to the interisland ferry weighbridges

KLR650
http://www.patmanracing.com/klrdyno.htm
34hp, 31 ft/lbs stock.
38hp,38ft/lbs fully modded (inc 685cc kit).

DR650
39hp, 38ft/lbs modded.

Like the KLR guy says on his site.
Not worried about the hp, it's the ft/lbs that do the business.

[The Big J]

All the points you list are valid but - re the KLR cooling / fan issue - I have blanked off the lower half of the rad on my KLR to try and get it to warm up a little - even with that the temp guage never went more than 1/3 into the normal zone unless parked for 10 minutes or so with the engine running in which case it got to about half way. Once moving the temp dropped almost immediately. (Obviously central north Island last week is not Broome in high summer)


Is this the new or old model? I have 05 and consistent voice from owners in the states seems to be that it runs a little WARM for their liking - obviously a bit of a climate change in Baja from the Desert Road!

I personally find the fan comes on very quickly if you're doing anything under 60km/h (switchbacks etc). I blew a fuse and managed to ride the KLR for an hour and a half in the dark in switchbacks (didn't have any tools with me, didn't realise it was the fuse), boiled the water out but went okay.

I don't know enough about the XT to make a comparison but the new KLR looks like a winner to me with improved suspension on last version.

For the guy riding with someone who has a DR650, I would buy another DR and share spares.

[pete376403]

Mine is the new model ("08") which does have a different radiator to the previous ones. Maybe the new shrouds direct air into the rad better than the old one also. As far as I can tel the fan hasn't turned on yet. I should leave it running at standstill to see if I can get it to come on.

[Scouse]

If your selling your ZX14 why dont you go for The king of dual purpose bikes the KTM950 Supermoto?

[cooneyr]

If your selling your ZX14 why dont you go for The king of off dual purpose bikes the KTM950 Supermoto?

Don't you mean the KTM 950 Super Enduro? :p :2thumbsup

Cheers R

[Scouse]

Don't you mean the KTM 950 Super Enduro? :p :2thumbsup

Cheers RNah I mean the Supermoto

[cooneyr]

Nah I mean the Supermoto

Guess it depend on what the other type of riding is in the Dual part. ;) For dirt and seal I would do the SE meself.

Cheers R

[Bass]

They'll all do the job, but this point alone has enough advantages to be the deciding factor.



All the points you list are valid Also I woun't agree that the KLR is more powerful than the DR. His DR is lighter by about 60kgs according to the interisland ferry weighbridges


KLR650
34hp, 31 ft/lbs stock.
38hp,38ft/lbs fully modded (inc 685cc kit).

DR650
39hp, 38ft/lbs modded.

Like the KLR guy says on his site.
Not worried about the hp, it's the ft/lbs that do the business.


Is this the new or old model? I have 05 and consistent voice from owners in the states seems to be that it runs a little WARM for their liking For the guy riding with someone who has a DR650, I would buy another DR and share spares.


Mine is the new model ("08") which does have a different radiator to the previous ones. Maybe the new shrouds direct air into the rad better than the old one also. As far as I can tel the fan hasn't turned on yet. I should leave it running at standstill to see if I can get it to come on.


All good stuff gents.
Many thanks for the input

[sels1]

Okay mate, done the F650 in the past, the KLR will eat it, would love a 1150 but to damn expensve for me unfortunetly mate, cheers for the offer

Some random thoughts....
The F650 has good comfort level, you will have to do loads of Ks to get to some of the gravel bits.
The 1150 (and Tigers) are great on the road and medium gravel, but anything worse I would stick with a 650 - something you can pick up easier.
If cost is a factor how about the used market? - you are only going to get it dirty anyway.
The 650 Dakar would be a good option, if you could find one at a reasonable price.
But as someone else said, if you already have a sprotbike in the garage then something something more dirt capable would be better? DRs seem to be cheap and plentiful.
I used to have an XT - never let me down.
Watching this thread with interest as I am thinking of doing similar.

[The Big J]

All good stuff gents.
Many thanks for the input

Just a point, I have done on my KLR about 25000 kms over 8 months now and have broken the following parts off the top of my head.

- Soft bags, broke straps, burnt one bag, broke straps again on new bags x6, straps broke and rubbed new bags against tires x3, broke all straps on top bag had to retain with spare tie downs
- Fork seals, paid to have replaced in Argentina, they have failed again within 1500kms
- a few fuses
- ignitor coil currently has me stuck
- plastic radiator shrouds
- radiator guard fell off as I put grass underneath it on the salt flats
- broke clutch and brake levers when fell over off side stand at various times
- stripped brake calliper thread
- broken flimsy bark busters
- broken several pairs of sunglasses because I step on them while changing tires
- big dings in both rims, wouldn´t be adventure without those
- broke rear brake bracket attaching brake to bike
- broke doohickey, not my fault obviously but still
- in fall, bent handlebars, broke throttle tube and handgrips, damaged right footpeg thread, damaged myself...

the list goes on, some of it due to being a novice mechanic but things tend to crop up on most of us if you really use the bike for the dirt.

throw in brake pads oil changes etc and you consume a lot of stuff. Very convenient to be able to borrow your friends brake pads when you are 1000 kms away from the dealer. Share clutch levers, maybe try to pick up a CDI if it goes awry between you.

I would go the DR based on this logic as someone said way up the list.

http://www.locokiwi.com/gallery/16%20Argentina/6%20Central%20Argentina/lazy-k-slides/P1060996.JPG

[chris]

Has any body turned a dr650 into a road only/motard machine,(smaller wheels, gearing for slighter higher cruising speed etc). Also how would they go around say the coro loop chasing a few mates. What are they like 2 up touring?

Yep, the bike in the article is owned by my brother in law. It's very easy to do.

[chris]

The new DR650's have dropped in price again.
I think they're less than $8000 now.
A spanking new DR650 can now be had for $8000. It's part of the Suzuki Summerfest deal. They were a bargain at $9000 so $8000 is ridiculously cheap.

[clint640]

Has any body turned a dr650 into a road only/motard machine,(smaller wheels, gearing for slighter higher cruising speed etc). Also how would they go around say the coro loop chasing a few mates. What are they like 2 up touring?

Me mate Paul tours happily with the missus on his DR, but they're both quite small & travel fairly light.

I've also seen him deal to about 20 sportbikes in the space of 15km of twistys on it, on std wheels & semi knobby tyres. He is a bit of a freak but even mere mortals should be able to keep up with the Rossi wannabe crowd through the tight stuff if you've got the motard setup.

Cheers
Clint

[busadayz]

Yep, the bike in the article is owned by my brother in law. It's very easy to do.

Have read the piece, looks good too.
Am faced with selling my busa to buy a house. If i can get away with (financialy) would like to have at least something. This seems like a cheap fix for the soul. Dont know if could get used to the lack of power though.
Still anything is better than nothing.

[busadayz]

[QUOTE=clint640;1196195]Me mate Paul tours happily with the missus on his DR, but they're both quite small & travel fairly light.

I've also seen him deal to about 20 sportbikes in the space of 15km of twistys on it, on std wheels & semi knobby tyres. He is a bit of a freak but even mere mortals should be able to keep up with the Rossi wannabe crowd through the tight stuff if you've got the motard setup.


Thanks for that, my wife and i are around the 6ft mark so some fettling may be needed in the suspension department.
I have been around taupo a couple of times and been dealt to by motards many times. It seems like fun, must be something in it and it is alot cheaper IF you bin it.

[cowpoos]

your thinking of getting a yammie bro??? are you going all metro on us??


Go Green bro!!!

[QMOTO]

Gone and done it

Im the proud owner of a KLR650 2008 model and put about 300 kms on it today (heaps of gas left from one full) All I can say is what a awesom machine, hadles the roads nicley very capable on the road touring as well as the twisties, I also did about 60kms of gravel and a fair bit of small mud tracks in the bush, did the lot with ease, Love it !!
comfy and capable thats my first day comment, now to buy some maps:headbang:

[Moki]

I recently picked up a '92 KLR650. After sorting out a few long-neglected issues, what I have now is an absolute blast. Love it. Very simple and easy to work on...and from what can tell very reliable as mine has done 108k.

Watch out for where you look for parts though- the carb diaphragm was perforated and need replacing. I went to a Kwak dealer and was quoted $250+. Didn't like that so did a bit of research and found that Harleys use the same CV40 carb. Same part cost $90.

Still ride an r1150gs Adv but the KLR650 far better of the road.

[NordieBoy]

Im the proud owner of a KLR650 2008 model

Oh well, hope you enjoy it anyway.
























:Punk: :D

[Big Dave]

Colin's corollary :blink:

[NordieBoy]

Colin's corollary :blink:

You have a Corolla in your colon?

[Bass]

Gone and done it


Excellent!!
Thanks for the thread

[ducatijim]

Well, this is where its ended up?
Tank? Yes, buy in Oz and save NZ GST and considerable shipping. Oz Gst just too bad: Refundable when bike exported back to NZ.
Seat? You won't stand for the length/time/terrain covered on this trip for long.
Fan? Well, we won't be in Broome in 'high summer' not possible on a m/c in the 'wet'. Still very hot when moving slowly all thru the Gulf country to the Pilbara. Can be slow going over sections like Gibb river road, even in the 'dry'.
Suspension? Try 'pressing on' over washboard for long and see if you can keep the rear 'hooked up'. Sometimes many,many k's of continious washboard out yhere in roadtrain country, particularly likely just following the wet. Front would improve with some stiffer oil I think, but both ends need some more rebound damping( not available on stock).
Great bikes otherwise, DR's that is.

[warewolf]

Oz Gst just too bad: Refundable when bike exported back to NZ.AFAIK the goods have to be exported within 14 days to have the GST refunded.

[ducatijim]

I'm gutted............................................ .................

[ZeroIndex]

Im at a loss as to which one I should go for so Im putting it out there for your comments
I plan to ride a fair bit of highway to get to destinations of interest such as roads out back of Raglan, Waikerimoana, even some South ISland roads and trails, I need a bike capable on the highway as well as a bike very capable off road.
To me the 2008 KLR is ahead on practicality but its a bit ugly, the XT660R (21 front wheel) is a looker but not so great on Practicality, ie small tank, luggage carrying capacity small screen etc
It sounds like I have made it sound like a easy decision ....go for the KLR650, I am however really keen to hear your thoughts on it.
I want to discover some back roads and obscure places I have never been to before without having any road limitations that I would have if ridden on a sportsbike.
Im keen to hear your thoughts
If you need a decent review on the DR650, PM Carver...
Another bike Carver had was the KLR, which he said was a very heavy sort-of tank that battled a bit with the off-road stuff (as my memory serves me)...

The XT660R sounds like a good bike...

[mazz1972]

Gone and done it

Im the proud owner of a KLR650 2008 model and put about 300 kms on it today (heaps of gas left from one full) All I can say is what a awesom machine, hadles the roads nicley very capable on the road touring as well as the twisties, I also did about 60kms of gravel and a fair bit of small mud tracks in the bush, did the lot with ease, Love it !!
comfy and capable thats my first day comment, now to buy some maps:headbang:

Congrats on the new purchase....hubby was very interested in one of those but there are none to be seen around these parts....and none arriving in the Wellington in the near future....so he got a BMW 650 Dakar instead. After all the research I did I'm still interested in looking at an 08 KLR myself....as is one of my friends.

Heaps of info on your new bike here at the KLR Forums http://www.klrworld.com/

Can you post a pic of your bike pretty please?

M

[carver]

have fun.
i hated my KLR..still do.

[QMOTO]

have fun.
i hated my KLR..still do.

But you wrote this ?

KLR 650's suck man..they are shit, they weigh a ton, and are useless off road.
DR 650 is a much better tool, or perhaps a WR450 if you really wanted to go hard.
having owned both the DR and KLR i can vouch for the dr being the better trail bike, whereas the KLR is best left on the road.
XT-R aint a bad bet....it would be my choice

DR650, no good, limitations of fuel as well as some other things, XT no good, no wind protection no luggage carrying capacity at all.

For my purposes there is only one choice that being a solid reliable and long distance adventure bike..........the old KLR and the New are quite different animals, of road I can vouch that the new KLR is very capable........its not a motorcross bike and I dont want it to be, but its great and doing what its meant for, long distance ride around the world type bike

[carver]

But you wrote this ?

KLR 650's suck man..they are shit, they weigh a ton, and are useless off road.
DR 650 is a much better tool, or perhaps a WR450 if you really wanted to go hard.
having owned both the DR and KLR i can vouch for the dr being the better trail bike, whereas the KLR is best left on the road.
XT-R aint a bad bet....it would be my choice

DR650, no good, limitations of fuel as well as some other things, XT no good, no wind protection no luggage carrying capacity at all.

For my purposes there is only one choice that being a solid reliable and long distance adventure bike..........the old KLR and the New are quite different animals, of road I can vouch that the new KLR is very capable........its not a motorcross bike and I dont want it to be, but its great and doing what its meant for, long distance ride around the world type bike

yeah, didn't read all the thread, and i realised you got one! :Pokey:
the old ones sucked..i never had a issue with the range on the DR..always 200+kms and i rode my one from wellington to hamilton, no problem.
the new KLR has gone in the direction of the new triumph tiger.
but yeah, the old ones (mine was a 03) really were the dogs balls.

[QMOTO]

the new KLR has gone in the direction of the new triumph tiger.


LOL yeah okay :lol:

engine
trumpy 1050

Kwaka 650

tyres
Trumpy 17 inch front

Kwaka 21 inch front

weight

Trumpy 218 kg

Kwaka 175 kg

the list goes on really

The Kwaka 650 aint anything like the trumpy in almost all ways dude

[merv]

Welcome to the world of adventuring Quasi.

The 22 litre tank would certainly be useful compared to the DR650 with only 13 litres.

[sels1]

Well congrats on the new toy Quasi!

[carver]

LOL yeah okay :lol:

engine
trumpy 1050

Kwaka 650

tyres
Trumpy 17 inch front

Kwaka 21 inch front

weight

Trumpy 218 kg

Kwaka 175 kg

the list goes on really

The Kwaka 650 aint anything like the trumpy in almost all ways dude

but....
look at the old tiger vs the new tiger
look at the old klr vs the new KLR

im seeing the fact that both bikes have become more road orientated, and less adventure...thats all, i aint comparing them.
enjoy your adventure rides, pm me if you want me to show you a few routes

[pete376403]

Gone and done it

Im the proud owner of a KLR650 2008 model and put about 300 kms on it today (heaps of gas left from one full) All I can say is what a awesom machine, hadles the roads nicley very capable on the road touring as well as the twisties, I also did about 60kms of gravel and a fair bit of small mud tracks in the bush, did the lot with ease, Love it !!
comfy and capable thats my first day comment, now to buy some maps:headbang:

Well done that man! What colour? The green ones are faster...
I've got a little over 2200km on mine including quite a lot of gravel / forestry roads. Have got the initial drop over and done with (cracked the right side fairing lower and put scuffs on the front guard and the panel over the muffler) but didn't bend anything. Could do with better tyres off road, pity TKC-80s are expensive. Saw one other one (also green) on Cold Kiwi weekend

[merv]

I don't like the way you guys are trying to make 2008 come quicker - I'm enjoying 2007 right now and I don't want my years disappearing too quick.

[pete376403]

Mine is the new model ("08") which does have a different radiator to the previous ones. Maybe the new shrouds direct air into the rad better than the old one also. As far as I can tel the fan hasn't turned on yet. I should leave it running at standstill to see if I can get it to come on.
Further to my previous post. I left the bike idling at around 2000 rpm the other night to get the temp up and see when the fan starts - it comes on when the temp guage needle has gone just above horizontal and runs for about 15-20 seconds. thats enough to drop the guage down to (if it was a clock) the 40 minute position. I did get a bit of a surprise looking under the right side shroud and noting the header pipe was a nice cherry red - backing the idle speed down to a more reasonable 1000 rpm cooled that down as well

[RedKLR650]

Well there Carver, at age 22 you have supposedly owned 26 bikes so presuming you got your lisence at age 15, that's an average of 3.5 months per bike, so before you start bashing :2guns:the original model KLR 650's, maybe you should put some km's on one off road, and actually learn some riding ability..... :whistle:Don't knock the bike until the riders sorted... Ask some of the south island adventure riders who've seen the off road ability of the KLR, i'd happily take mine anywhere you'd take a DR ( given the same knobblies fitted ) Respectfully, Stu

[NordieBoy]

i'd happily take mine anywhere you'd take a DR ( given the same knobblies fitted ) Respectfully, Stu

I wouldn't happily take my DR where my DR has been!
Dis-Respectfully, Fran :crazy:

[tri boy]

Bloody hell, the "Booyah Tribe"(zero and carver) have infiltrated the Adv forum.:shit:
Quasi, shoo them away, the'll run amok, (or is that Run akok?).:lol:

[ZeroIndex]

Bloody hell, the "Booyah Tribe"(zero and carver) have infiltrated the Adv forum.:shit:
Quasi, shoo them away, the'll run amok, (or is that Run akok?).:lol:
I've ridden Carver's DR650 and thought it was pretty cool... Carver has owned a KLR650, a DR650, and a few to many other bikes to mention (or know off hand), so his responses may even be worth reading.

I did a bit of research on the new KLR, and it still seems like quite a heavy beast and for an off-road bike seems a bit to flashy in the looks department, the XT660R is (by my looking at the reviews) probably better than the KLR, but at the end of the day, taking both of them for a ride and then deciding is the best thing to do... Quasi: Whatever bike you decide on, HAVE FUN!!! :2thumbsup

[merv]

I did a bit of research on the new KLR, and it still seems like quite a heavy beast and for an off-road bike seems a bit to flashy in the looks department, the XT660R is (by my looking at the reviews) probably better than the KLR, :2thumbsup

Check out the specs they are damn near the same dry weight 172kg XT vs 175 KLR yet the Kawi looks the more complete bike with better fairing etc so the Yam is a heavy sucker for what it has. This compares to the DR at 147kg.

[NZsarge]

Check out the specs they are damn near the same dry weight 172kg XT vs 175 KLR yet the Kawi looks the more complete bike with better fairing etc so the Yam is a heavy sucker for what it has. This comapres to the DR at 147kg.

Built of stearn stuff Yamaha's:niceone::headbang: Buy a XT Quasi....or... that new Tenere that comin' out... but then I am bias:laugh:

[merv]

Built of stearn stuff Yamaha's:niceone::headbang: Buy a XT Quasi....or... that new Tenere that comin' out... but then I am bias:laugh:

Hasn't he already told us he bought the KLR? Check out post number 54. He's a Kawi man huh!

[NZsarge]

Hasn't he already told us he bought the KLR? Check out post number 54. He's a Kawi man huh!

.:doh: sorry.

[ZeroIndex]

.:doh: sorry.
lol, um... same here...

[QMOTO]

XT is no good for me, it has little luggage carrying capacity, and its alot more expensive, noone has yet said anything to convince me of a better bang for Buck capable road and off road tourer. Note I said Tourer not a road legal Motorcross bike.
I sence a anti KLR650 sediment among a few, which is a laugh as the specs they are coming out with are basically wrong, you need to understand the KLR is by far currently the best Adventure bike for under 10k in NZ........period. And dont give me anymore of this DR650 lets do 175kms and hope there is a petrol station thing either lol

[merv]

And dont give me anymore of this DR650 lets do 175kms and hope there is a petrol station thing either lol

Your new KLR certainly looks good, but as for the DR's that's a South Island thing I reckon and we've had that debate on here in stock trim our DR does around 21-22km/litre (while those boys get only about 16km/litre) so ours on 13 litres would do around 250km to almost dry - still not a 22 litre tank eh so for your purposes I'd say you've done the right thing.

[NordieBoy]

And dont give me anymore of this DR650 lets do 175kms and hope there is a petrol station thing either lol

How about 340km then?

:D

[ZeroIndex]

XT is no good for me, it has little luggage carrying capacity, and its alot more expensive, noone has yet said anything to convince me of a better bang for Buck capable road and off road tourer. Note I said Tourer not a road legal Motorcross bike.
I sence a anti KLR650 sediment among a few, which is a laugh as the specs they are coming out with are basically wrong, you need to understand the KLR is by far currently the best Adventure bike for under 10k in NZ........period. And dont give me anymore of this DR650 lets do 175kms and hope there is a petrol station thing either lol
So, where's the pic? What color is yours? I take it the Quasimoto Camo Cordura will go nicely on your bike outings?

[The Big J]

but....
im seeing the fact that both bikes have become more road orientated, and less adventure...thats all, i aint comparing them.
enjoy your adventure rides, pm me if you want me to show you a few routes


Congrats to Quasi, sounds to me like a good decision, my opinion is they are pretty similar perhaps DR is better off road but you need a 23l tank. Despite less front suspension travel I understand the new 08 performs better in off-road conditions, perhaps due to the sag when you load the suspension, I sag it about 2 inches with 70kg+approx 25kg luggage. That said yes it has been styled more towards looking good on the road, is that a problem? Besides a few scratches should bring it up to speed IMO.

I have really enjoyed putting a MT21 knob on the front for off road. Currently on a MT60 rear and brand new Sahara 3 on the front, wet day today but I did 400 kms yesterday of dead straight so hopefully enough to scrub it in okay.

Going to Brazil today! :woohoo: Well better get on the road.

[cooneyr]

How about 340km then?

:D

Tell them the full story IMS boy. :bleh:

Cheers R

[NordieBoy]

Tell them the full story IMS boy. :bleh:

Cheers R

I thought it was stock, it came with the bike...

But so did the Corbin and ScottOiler :D

[Bass]

Well I read everyone's comments in this and other related threads and have pretty much settled on a DR (with all due respect to Quasi). What it came down to for me was this - it's been years since I did any off road riding and I don't rate my riding skills as anything more than average. I am going to ride a bike around Australia and I am going to some pretty out-of-the-way places. Consequently I am gonna fall off. Probably I am gonna fall off several times.

While I liked the KLR - it's well set up, comfortable and pretty capable for the sort of trip I plan to do - it also has a fair bit of the vulnerable looking stuff hanging out in the breeze. The DR has much less sticking out to get broken off and is nearly 30 kg lighter which MAY mean that I fall off it somewhat less.
The fact that the guy I'll be riding with already has a DR and so the spares load is halved, just seals the deal.

For this trip the DR needs some work - like about $4,000 worth.
Bars
Bark Busters
Bash plate
Tank
Seat
Screen
Suspension upgrade (probably)
Front sprocket

The only ones on that list that don't also apply to the KLR are the seat and tank. Since the DR is selling for $8,000 and so is $1500 cheaper than the KLR, then the overall costs would be about the same for both bikes.

However, I am also looking at a larger/second oil cooler for the DR and so it may well work out more expensive in the long run. A chain oiler is also still lurking at the back of my mind
Just before it goes in the container bound for Oz, it will also get a new set of sprockets and some top quality "O" ring chain

Obviously, I will be spending some time on this beast before it goes in the box. Consequently, I expect to run into a few of you while doing it in the gravel.
Thanks for the help people.

[NordieBoy]

You may get change from $2000 for those upgrades.

[Transalper]

For this trip the DR needs some work - like about $4,000 worth.
Bars
Bark Busters
Bash plate
Tank
Seat
Screen
Suspension upgrade (probably)
Front sprocket

.


You may get change from $2000 for those upgrades.Agreed, I did all that except the Suspension upgrade for about $1300 or $1400.

I'd say good choice if only because your riding buddy for the trip is on one too.

[K slider]

Ihad DR for 3 Years I found the suspension fine .I would still own it but the dakar seat is more comfy and the rotax motor has more grunt but the rest of the bike is a piece of Sh-T.
take a look at the 08 660 Tenere.
cheers Pete

[NordieBoy]

Agreed, I did all that except the Suspension upgrade for about $1300 or $1400.

Seat ?

[Transalper]

Seat ?

By the end if the week. I allowed $200 estimate for a local place to modify it similar to Js one. Should get some change out of that.

[Bass]

I really hope that you guys are right, but the numbers that I have seen mean that the tank and seat alone could top $1200

[Bass]

Ihad DR for 3 Years I found the suspension fine .I would still own it but the dakar seat is more comfy and the rotax motor has more grunt but the rest of the bike is a piece of Sh-T.
take a look at the 08 660 Tenere.
cheers Pete

The reason that I am looking hard at a suspension upgrade is that we will be travelling shortly after the wet season to beat the school holidays, when the places we will go tend to get overrun by 4 x 4's. Consequently, the graders may not have been through and so I expect to travel considerable distances on heavily corrugated roads and so administer a bit of a beating to the shocks

[NordieBoy]

I really hope that you guys are right, but the numbers that I have seen mean that the tank and seat alone could top $1200

Which tank and which seat?

[Transalper]

My 18.5 litre IMS Tank (now holds 20liters after a month or so of use) cost NZ$375 landed at my door as I detailed here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=52087&highlight=ims).
My seat is my stock seat being modified to be wider, and maybe softer (can give more detail once it's done and tested). Having the stock one slightly modified is a lot cheaper than getting a flash one like corbin. Maybe it will not be as good as an expensive new one but we already done some big km days (700 to 1000km dirt and sealed) on our DRs so maybe my arse is tougher than that too.
My screen is kinda home made cost $40 including the screws. J is happy with hers, I'm still experimenting. Guess you could spend $200 or $250 what ever one of those big universal ones costs.
I put Pro Taper Contour Bars on. $200 + $69 clamps.
Cant find receipts at the moment but think the Bark Buster Brand handguards and fitting kit to suit the bars totalled about $260.
B & B Bash Plate was about $240 as well.
Front Sprockets are about $15.

If you shop around you may get the stuff cheaper, I just bought from guys I like rather than shop around.

[ducatijim]

Hah...18l won't get u squat in the outback. 30l Safari :-) .

[NordieBoy]

Hah...18l won't get u squat in the outback. 30l Safari :-) .

18.5L :cool:

Just enough left over for the squat.





What's a squat?

[Bass]

Which tank and which seat?


Hah...18l won't get u squat in the outback. 30l Safari :-) .

Yeah, Safari tank - gonna need well over 500 km range and don't want to be carrying jerrycans.

As for the seat - I have been giving serious thought to a Corbin. I have also been giving serious thought to McDonalds in Tauranga. However, I think that the original seat needs a bit more width for me. That means a new base and I don't believe that this is McDonalds forte (happy to be corrected).

[Transalper]

Hah...18l won't get u squat in the outback. 30l Safari :-) .

US$569 including oversized shipping from justgastanks.com (http://justgastanks.com/products.php?type=1&model=124)
That's about NZ$770 and I wonder if the customs man will want to add some to that.

[Transalper]

...As for the seat.... I think that the original seat needs a bit more width for me. That means a new base and I don't believe that this is McDonalds forte (happy to be corrected).
How wide do you want it? Js seat is a bit wider than stock but still fairly hard. Hers is still the original base.

I do not doubt that if you spend the extra on a seat that it will indeed make you happy. For me not worth it. I'll just take a little mod of the original and be done with.

[Bass]

How wide do you want it? Js seat is a bit wider than stock but still fairly hard. Hers is still the original base.

I do not doubt that if you spend the extra on a seat that it will indeed make you happy. For me not worth it. I'll just take a little mod of the original and be done with.

It's one of those things where you don't know the outcome until you try it.
I don't know if a modified one would suit me but I do know that the Corbin on DJ's machine feels good.
It's a hard one (no pun intended), but I will be spending so much money on the thing that I might as well get it right, especially since my arse is gonna be on it for the best part of 2 months continuously.

[Transalper]

It's one of those things where you don't know the outcome until you try it.
I don't know if a modified one would suit me but I do know that the Corbin on DJ's machine feels good.
With that info I'd expect you to go for the Corbin as tried and trusted.... if the budget allows.

[Quasievil]

Im thining about luggage racks, what the deal for a Ventura well I will tell ya $196 plus the Raised bar bit, so all up about $300

Im thinking the KLR has a awesom luggae rack at the back so Im thinking how I can get a bar to fit in the rucksack..........any clues ideas or suggestions ??
What you guys use/do ??

[Cajun]

As for the seat - I have been giving serious thought to a Corbin. I have also been giving serious thought to McDonalds in Tauranga. However, I think that the original seat needs a bit more width for me. That means a new base and I don't believe that this is McDonalds forte (happy to be corrected).
We have modifyed bases on seats, but that is mostly cruisers, not done one on a dirt bike.

Like anything it is possible, alot of it we would need to see bike, seat and how much you would need widing in turn might not even need to modify the base to do what you want, be amazed what we can make up.

[Bass]

We have modifyed bases on seats, but that is mostly cruisers, not done one on a dirt bike.

Like anything it is possible, alot of it we would need to see bike, seat and how much you would need widing in turn might not even need to modify the base to do what you want, be amazed what we can make up.

Cool, thanks for that
Do you know any good gravel roads between Aucks and Tauranga?

[Cajun]

Cool, thanks for that
Do you know any good gravel roads between Aucks and Tauranga?

No i do not sorry,

there few like thomansons track and like, but dirt i don't know much about, sure someone else be able to help out with that side of things

[Bass]

No i do not sorry,

there few like thomansons track and like, but dirt i don't know much about, sure someone else be able to help out with that side of things

No worries - I thought that would be the likely answer.

[warewolf]

US$569 including oversized shipping from justgastanks.com (http://justgastanks.com/products.php?type=1&model=124)
That's about NZ$770 and I wonder if the customs man will want to add some to that.AU$650 retail in Aus direct from RV Aqualine (http://www.rvaqualine.com.au/page.php?sId=11) (the manufacturer), but they have special export rates. For one you can remove 10% GST.

[K slider]

I put a corban seat on me Dakar very heavy and they were very hard to deal with, it was pretty good but on sold it for quality reasons.
Cheers Pete.

[ducatijim]

AU$650 retail in Aus direct from RV Aqualine (http://www.rvaqualine.com.au/page.php?sId=11) (the manufacturer), but they have special export rates. For one you can remove 10% GST.

Yep, we know....already done our homework; as you do for these things.
Corbin seat: don't deal with Corbin, there are excellent exporters who do a great job. AND, for the record: this is an excellent product for the DR, no issues at all and a 100% improvement in position and comfort, take that as GOSPEL. not gossip!!!!

[NordieBoy]

Corbin seat: don't deal with Corbin, there are excellent exporters who do a great job. AND, for the record: this is an excellent product for the DR, no issues at all

As long as you get one that fits and specify which tank you want it for.

[ducatijim]

As long as you get one that fits and specify which tank you want it for.
Lets look at it this way; You have a stock seat and put on a NON IMS tank, it suits ur seat, done. You put on a Corbin, with the stock tank you used to have, it fits. You put on the tank ( non IMS) that went with ur stock seat, it fits. Done. Easy really.
In English= Corbin and stock DR seat mount up identically, can I be any clearer?

[NordieBoy]

In English= Corbin and stock DR seat mount up identically, can I be any clearer?

You need to specify you want the Corbin for a stock tank or for an IMS when you order one.
The stock tank Corbin will mount up to the Aqualine and Acerbis tanks nicely but not the IMS.
There are plenty of threads about having to adjust/file out the mounting tabs to get the seat to fit properly even when it's the right one for the tank.
I love mine and it fitted with no mods needed.

[mylodon]

I put a corbin on my klr650...

it didn't fit very well with the stock tank. I had to do some tweaking to get it to fit better, but it's still not snug against the tank like the stock seat.

on the plus side, i can go two hours without having to get off the bike, and i feel fine, and on a full 8+ hour day, i don't really have any problems at all.

the stock seat put me in agony in an hour.

negative thing about the corbin as well is that it adds about an inch or two, which means i can't flat-foot when i stop as easily, and the height makes it more difficult offroad.

[pete376403]

New KLR ('08) seat is very good, maybe not quite in the same league as that on the BMW Dakar but light-years ahead of the vinyl crucifix that Suzuki put on the DR.

[Quasievil]

New KLR ('08) seat is very good, maybe not quite in the same league as that on the BMW Dakar but light-years ahead of the vinyl crucifix that Suzuki put on the DR.

I rode me KLR for about 300kms yesterday, then jumped of straight onto a Dakar, yup the seat was nicer than the KLR, but Im finding me KLR seat is softing up a little the more I use it

Got to get some luggage soughted for it................any ideas ??

[pete376403]

I rode me KLR for about 300kms yesterday, then jumped of straight onto a Dakar, yup the seat was nicer than the KLR, but Im finding me KLR seat is softing up a little the more I use it

Got to get some luggage soughted for it................any ideas ??

I was going to get Pelican 1550 cases and make a rack but the Pelis are a bit pricey here. The Aus tool supplier Kincrome does some Pelican look alikes for about half the cost or you can get them even cheaper (KLR owners are notoriously cheap-ass) from Bunnings under the Craftech label at $99. Only downside is that they are only available in bright yellow. I bought a couple but haven't made the frame yet, so I mounted one horizontally on the rack in the meantime. Size-wise it will hold 4 x 6packs of cans plus a little extra space at the top. Couple of pics attached - flash didn't work on the camera so the lighting is crap but you'll get the idea. since then I've bought a topbox off tardme from a scooter shop in Onehunga. $45 including mounting plate. Not a Givi but not Givi price either

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Got to get some luggage soughted for it................any ideas ??

I got Givi E21 panniers on my Transalp and am very happy with them having used them for the first time going to the P/Penguin. They are reasonably small and no wider then the handlebars but hold plenty of gear. Also have a small Rjay's top box that holds a helmet. All up the E21's & mounting rack cost about $450. At some stage I'll get a set of larger Givi panniers for when we are 2 up touring. Cheers.

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I rode me KLR for about 300kms yesterday, then jumped of straight onto a Dakar, yup the seat was nicer than the KLR, but Im finding me KLR seat is softing up a little the more I use it

Got to get some luggage soughted for it................any ideas ??

I think Fischer Price make a nice set of hard luggage for bikes :killingme

[Bass]

It's one of those things where you don't know the outcome until you try it.
I don't know if a modified one would suit me but I do know that the Corbin on DJ's machine feels good.
It's a hard one (no pun intended), but I will be spending so much money on the thing that I might as well get it right, especially since my arse is gonna be on it for the best part of 2 months continuously.

Wll I DID finally settle on a DR.
It arrives tomorrow.
The mods have started - bars and bark busters done, bash plate to be ordered today. It will receive a dose of Ohlins front and rear, probably early next year although I may get impatient and chat to Robert sooner.
I will see how many calluses the seat raises on my butt before deciding whether to change it.
Currently looking at a Wolfman duffle and extra bag to carry all the gear.

I am interested in other's opinions of appropriate riding clothing for Northern Australia around May/June. Will be 1/3 (or less) on road (seal) and 2/3 gravel, sand bulldust etc. Remember that we will be carrying extra water, fuel etc so bulky clothing cannot be stowed if we are not wearing it.

Wondering about putting a larger sole-plate on the side stand for use in the soft stuff.

Whaddayareckon?

[Bass]

Newby's impressions of adventure riding.
I put 250 miles on it yesterday and another 50 today (the current batch of DR's have imperial speedos). The mix was about 180 miles on seal and 70 miles on gravel - much of it loose, sharp and deep.

Pro's: -
This is huge fun! - why have I not done it years ago.

The handling through the tight twisties on the seal is amazing, especially since I discovered afterwards that the bike had been delivered with only 15 psi in the tyres front and rear. I begin to understand what motards are about.

The handling on well swept gravel is surprisingly good. The handling on deep loose gravel isn't. I suspect that's mostly me and that I need to go and do some work in soft sand, to get my act ogether.


Con's
The seat is appalling. That's why I only did another 50 miles today. My arse hasn't recovered from yesterday (and I expect that I will cop some flak for that remark). It has to go, but then these plans were already under way.

The shocks are mediocre and pretty wooden in the corrugations. Plans under way here too.

Intermediate tyres are well down on full knobblies in the soft, wet slippery stuff. However, that was to be expected.

First gear is pretty tall and when combined with a new, tight motor is pretty useless for slow careful negotiation of any obstacle. I expect that this will ease as the motor (which is a hymn to flexibility), frees up. Also, we will be taking some smaller front sprockets with us when we go to Oz


I am still interested in guidance as to appropriate clothing for riding in the outback.
Actually, I am interested in any input regarding riding a fair way off the beaten track in Oz - especially for any who may have been there

[NordieBoy]

Get the seat re-done by an unholstererlererer.

Then ride, ride, ride :D

[Transalper]

Newby's impressions of adventure riding.....
I think you pretty well got what you expected and/or expected what you got.:done:

Definately not as easy as my CRF230 in deep loose shingle but if you take the bull by the horns and tell it where you want to go it usually responds fairly well.... (get up on the pegs and give it some gas, you ride it instead of it controling you.. something like that:laugh:)

[Bass]

I think you pretty well got what you expected and/or expected what you got.

Exactly Right



Definately not as easy as my CRF230 in deep loose shingle but if you take the bull by the horns and tell it where you want to go it usually responds fairly well.... (get up on the pegs and give it some gas, you ride it instead of it controling you.. something like that:laugh::)

Thanks for that. I had already discovered that it tracks straighter in the loose with a bit of speed on. I struggled with the corners. However, I was in some reasonably rough stuff and hadn't seen a soul for more than an hour, so was taking it fairly quietly.
No major moments.