Attitude readjustment

[Katman]

Motorcycling needs to lose the "it's us against the world" mentality - that's what encourages the Skidmarks of our society. Comments like "above all else he's a biker and a brother" are better off on the big screen in some cheesy Wild Ones remake. People need to stop and realise Motorcycling is just a common interest we have - it's not a bond that binds us.

[FROSTY]

Dude I dunno what crawled up your ass years ago or who pissed you off but perhaps you should just not bother posting instead of posting your negative crap.
I could not dissagree with you more

[oldrider]

Not sure that I am reading you the way you intended but as far as I am concerned, it is me against the rest of the world, when I am on my bike!

It is that mentality that has kept me alive!

As far as I am concerned, every other thing that moves out there is trying to kill me and if I neglect to be aware of them, for even a moment, they will succeed!

Not quite paranoid but not too far off it either!

I feel I share that with all the other motorcyclists out there on the road.

Us and them? Absolutely! :ride: Cheers John.

PS: I am happy to stand beside SkidMark and tell the world, he's with me!

[Grahameeboy]

Mmmmm.
160 Post.....8 Top Five Positives and 17 Top 5 Negatives.
Always good to start on the good foot I say.

[Swoop]

I think it is just a ploy to beat Mental Trousers to the "King of red rep" award...

[Sniper]

Motorcycling needs to lose the "it's us against the world" mentality - that's what encourages the Skidmarks of our society. Comments like "above all else he's a biker and a brother" are better off on the big screen in some cheesy Wild Ones remake. People need to stop and realise Motorcycling is just a common interest we have - it's not a bond that binds us.

My mum always said, if you have nothing positive to say, don't bother saying anything.

I never listened to her until a year or so ago. Dude, you have to realise that sharing your opinion is great, but some folk do feel different to what you think about a situation. IE: I feel more comfortable going up and chatting to someone with a bike than chatting to someone with a good looking car. Maybe thats what some folk mean?

I can see your point, but can you stop and see others?

[tri boy]

My mum always said, if you have nothing positive to say, don't bother saying anything.

Wasn't that Bambi's mother?.....Oh my god, a computer savvy Fawn.
(goes to get rifle, mmmm Venison).

[Sniper]

My mum always said, if you have nothing positive to say, don't bother saying anything.

Wasn't that Bambi's mother?.....Oh my god, a computer savvy Fawn.
(goes to get rifle, mmmm Venison).

I never watched bambi, I have eaten him though

[Crisis management]

Mmmmm.
160 Post.....8 Top Five Positives and 17 Top 5 Negatives.
Always good to start on the good foot I say.

Bit sanctimonious aren't we? And that goes for a few of the other posts too....

He's entitled to his opinion and I feel it's not a bad one, there are certainly a few people on line I have no intention of meeting.
Trying to excuse peoples bad behaviour simply because they have a similar interest to me is not acceptable, an idiot is an idiot regardless of whether they drive a cage or ride a bike, I don't want them anywhere near me.

So Katman, I'm with you, fuckwits of the world unite...somewhere a long way from me please!

[James Deuce]

Not only does katman have a good point, we need to stop squelching the discussion that arises every time somebody has a fatal or near fatal "learning experience".

Common interests do make it easier to make friends with someone, often lifelong friends but motorcycling isn't a band of brotherhood.

[karmakillernz]

Motorcycling needs to lose the "it's us against the world" mentality - that's what encourages the Skidmarks of our society. Comments like "above all else he's a biker and a brother" are better off on the big screen in some cheesy Wild Ones remake. People need to stop and realise Motorcycling is just a common interest we have - it's not a bond that binds us.
You'll find this sort of thing in most groups of people that have something in common. It has nothing to do with superiority. For example,


families look out for their own first
police look out for their own first
bikers look out for their own first

In-fact, this was one of the reasons I was attracted to riding - the friendly attitude and acceptance towards other bikers, regardless of who they are. If you don't like it, that's fine, be a mean SOB to any biker you see. ;) But there's no need to get hostile when others want to stick by a fellow biker.

[MSTRS]

My mum always said, if you have nothing positive to say, don't bother saying anything.

Wasn't that Bambi's mother?.....Oh my god, a computer savvy Fawn.
(goes to get rifle, mmmm Venison).

I seem to remember that quote as being "If you can't say nothing nice, then don't say nothing at all" - Peter Rabbit
Different generations - same message?
As to Katman - observe the biker community and you will see that you are out of step with most of us.

[delusionz]

I'd rather call for this thread to be frozen or deleted. Katman I just read your last 5 pages of posts and atleast half of them attack skidmark or bikers in general. If you don't want to be apart of it I'd happily trade your able body for my shattered wreck as I would love to jump back on right now. Give Skidmark a chance, he has expressed interest in trying to change his ways, Do you want him to just forget about it? Nobody is going to change their ways when the people they look up to are seen to be attacking them...

[ceebie13]

Fifteen all!! :shutup:

[Hitcher]

Feeling concern for the health and welfare of fellow bikers who have been injured or worse is understandable. There for the grace of god go I, and all that sort of thing.

But something that is a bit irksome and tiresome are the "grieving" threads that we seem to delight in on KB, where the only comments that some folk think are allowable are the "Omigod, how terrible! Hope you're feeling better soon," or "RIP, fellow biker", kind of thing.

And, in typical lynch-mob style, things get very ugly if somebody posts something that stands out from the herd, whether it is "inappropriate" or not.

A question that needs to be asked is whether fair comment is allowed on KB, or are we all about conforming to norms that are implied rather than stated?

I think that Katman has raised an issue that's worthy of reasoned, intelligent discussion. Members who aren't up to that task should focus their vitriol elsewhere.

[justsomeguy]

Common interests do make it easier to make friends with someone, often lifelong friends but motorcycling isn't a band of brotherhood.

Yeah, what the wise man says.

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Being the Skidmark before the Skidmark, or is Skidmark the new JSG...naa he's not that stupid....:rolleyes:...anyway what creates Skidmarks is an immense amount of energy coupled with a stupid or even reckless lack of discretion as opposed to this "me against the world" psyche you refer to.

Also as most of you know there are probably atleast a hundred or more Skidmarks out in our lovely little country, except they aren't as public with their stories and thus get away with it. All guys with nothing better to do not fellas who feel the world wronged them.

It is always me against the world mate, even on a peaceful place like a race track there's so much to think about that is against you....

You want a hug or something? Dover or Boomer will gladly oblige:msn-wink:

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Frosty you donut you used a double negative, meaning you agree with Katanaboy

[Crisis management]

Fifteen all!! :shutup:

Wasn't that 15 men on a dead mans chest?

[discotex]

I'm glad this has been taken to it's own thread as it should have been in the first place. A biker down thread isn't really the time or place to start debating this.

Anyone who does extreme sport or anything else that is dangerous will tell you they have exactly the same comradere going on. It's human nature to band together over common interests - especially ones that increase your risk of death and injury.

No-one every said that just because someone's a biker they're automatically a wonderful person. Just that anyone being seriously hurt or killed is sobering. Fuckwit or not they're likely to have people who care about them who are suffering and they're likely not fuckwits. Taking a moment to reflect that it could be you or your friends involved is what the biker down threads are about for me.

Biker comradere doesn't create or encourage loser behaviour. It probably solves more problems than it creates. How much peer pressure are you seeing on skidMark right now?

Me thinks you have a bee (or a hornet maybe) in your bonnet over nothing Katman ;)

[ceebie13]

Feeling concern for the health and welfare of fellow bikers who have been injured or worse is understandable. There for the grace of god go I, and all that sort of thing.

But something that is a bit irksome and tiresome are the "grieving" threads that we seem to delight in on KB, where the only comments that some folk think are allowable are the "Omigod, how terrible! Hope you're feeling better soon," or "RIP, fellow biker", kind of thing.

And, in typical lynch-mob style, things get very ugly if somebody posts something that stands out from the herd, whether it is "inappropriate" or not.

A question that needs to be asked is whether fair comment is allowed on KB, or are we all about conforming to norms that are implied rather than stated?

I think that Katman has raised an issue that's worthy of reasoned, intelligent discussion. Members who aren't up to that task should focus their vitriol elsewhere.

I hate it when you are so eloquent, Brett. :niceone:

BTW, shouldn't "god" have a cap G? ;)

[Blackbird]

Katman has a valid point but he makes the mistake of assuming that being a biker means some sort of obligatory bond with other bikers. Granted that it means that we all have a similar interest and that’s a good starter, but it in no way means that just because you ride a bike, you’re all going to get on with each other just fine. Twattish behaviour on KB is evidence of that. Why is it that the glass is more often half-empty than half full on KB posts?

Having said that, I’ll ALWAYS stop if I see a biker in trouble and that ranges from scooter to patched gang member.

I’m not sure why the debate is even necessary, maybe it’s because there’s been too little riding over the last few months. FFS get out there and ride and stop whinging, life is far too precious to raise people’s hackles unnecessarily – leave that to the beauracracy!

[devnull]

Common interests do make it easier to make friends with someone, often lifelong friends but motorcycling isn't a band of brotherhood.

The same could be said of damned near anything...

Though from personal experience, there were very strong bonds of "brotherhood" in the Army, and also skydiving. There were also assholes, but you'd expect to find those in any passtime or occupation.

[avgas]

What a bunch of overblown fuckn know it alls.
You are not god.
You are not the greatest thing since sliced cheese.
Get over yourselves.
If you need a hand, i am willing to help you. All i expect is that someday you help some else.
If your a cock, too big for this kind of wanker. F off.
The last thing a community needs is people who think they are better than everyone else.
I've met too many people like that in the car community.
Shove that in your pipes and smoke it.

[justsomeguy]

Give Skidmark a chance, he has expressed interest in trying to change his ways, Do you want him to just forget about it? Nobody is going to change their ways when the people they look up to are seen to be attacking them...


You know what mate -- considering the big picture and the reality of the situation. You are 100% correct.

Hope you guys keep an eye on Mark, if only to protect him from himself.

[avgas]

being a biker means some sort of obligatory bond with other bikers.
Funny that, but i do have that bond. Its called respect.
You do you not wave to other bikes, help some poor bastard in a bike crash etc
I do not have to like you - but there will be a bond there if you are a true motorcyclist, not a convenience one.

[justsomeguy]

What a bunch of overblown fuckn know it alls.
You are not god.
You are not the greatest thing since sliced cheese.
Get over yourselves.
If you need a hand, i am willing to help you. All i expect is that someday you help some else.
If your a cock, too big for this kind of wanker. F off.
The last thing a community needs is people who think they are better than everyone else.


You got a pwoblem wiv me bitch??:angry:

Keep your shitty hand to yourself, I don't need it, I'm a far better wanker than you will ever be.... AND unlike you I'm straight, so don't expect me to give anyone a hand ya homo:angry2:

I am better than evewyone yaaa yaaa ..... and I know ewevything, EWEVYTHING I IS TELLING YOUS... EWEVYTHING:bash:

[Albino]

And, in typical lynch-mob style, things get very ugly if somebody posts something that stands out from the herd, whether it is "inappropriate" or not.

A question that needs to be asked is whether fair comment is allowed on KB, or are we all about conforming to norms that are implied rather than stated?

I think that Katman has raised an issue that's worthy of reasoned, intelligent discussion. Members who aren't up to that task should focus their vitriol elsewhere.

Some people do care when they hear of a fellow biker dying or being seriously hurt. So what? Let people discuss it and pay their respects in whatever way they feel necessary. To interrupt what is for many an emotional discussion with what is effectively saying "who cares" is confrontational (and in the eyes of many disrespectful) and is simply asking to be attacked.

Perhaps emotionally charged threads aren't the place for reasoned and intelligent discussion. The idea that some one would try to attempt a reasoned and intelligent discussion in such a thread seems a little paradoxical to me.

[avgas]

You got a pwoblem wiv me bitch??:angry:

Keep your shitty hand to yourself, I don't need it, I'm a far better wanker than you will ever be.... AND unlike you I'm straight, so don't expect me to give anyone a hand ya homo:angry2:

I am better than evewyone yaaa yaaa ..... and I know ewevything, EWEVYTHING I IS TELLING YOUS... EWEVYTHING:bash:
Are you sure princess?

[Katman]

Katman has a valid point but he makes the mistake of assuming that being a biker means some sort of obligatory bond with other bikers. Granted that it means that we all have a similar interest and that’s a good starter, but it in no way means that just because you ride a bike, you’re all going to get on with each other just fine.

I think that was entirely the point I was trying to make.:msn-wink:

I have no problem with the "it's me against the world" approach to riding, my original post clearly states "us against the world". It's the whole "I don't know you from Adam but I'll stick by you because you're a biker" concept that I have a problem with. Would you really align yourself with a rapist simply because he rides a motorcycle?

[justsomeguy]

I think that was entirely the point I was trying to make.:msn-wink:

I have no problem with the "it's me against the world" approach to riding, my original post clearly states "us against the world". It's the whole "I don't know you from Adam but I'll stick by you because you're a biker" concept that I have a problem with. Would you really align yourself with a rapist simply because he rides a motorcycle?

Ah, I stand corrected. That crap is only on KB. Otherwise in da weal world people act differently.

I don't give a flying fig what happens to a Hells Angel or Mongrel Mob fella on a bike.

[justsomeguy]

Are you sure princess?

Who you calling princess - that's you in your avatar wearing a dress right?


*Talk later - phuking late for work*

[avgas]

Who you calling princess - that's you in your avatar wearing a dress right?
Its a coat - poor baby cant see.
Anywho we are talking about motorcylists, not mob monkeys on ape swingers.

[Vagabond]

Ah, I stand corrected. That crap is only on KB. Otherwise in da weal world people act differently.

I don't give a flying fig what happens to a Hells Angel or Mongrel Mob fella on a bike.

Actually one of my best mates became a Hell's Angel!

How can you judge an individual without knowing them!





Once I met an Arsehole who was a KB member all Kiwibikers must be twats!

[avgas]

Once I met an Arsehole who was a KB member all Kiwibikers must be twats!
We are, but some of us are better at it cos of practice.

[Vagabond]

We are, but some of us are better at it cos of practice.

At least your head ain't stuck up your arse! :laugh:

[Grahameeboy]

Bit sanctimonious aren't we? And that goes for a few of the other posts too....

He's entitled to his opinion and I feel it's not a bad one, there are certainly a few people on line I have no intention of meeting.
Trying to excuse peoples bad behaviour simply because they have a similar interest to me is not acceptable, an idiot is an idiot regardless of whether they drive a cage or ride a bike, I don't want them anywhere near me.

So Katman, I'm with you, fuckwits of the world unite...somewhere a long way from me please!

Never thought of it that way, was just making a tongue in chek comment, but respect what you say and yes agree he is entitled to his opinion which goes for respondents too I guess.

[Taz]

Mmmm Beer I like Beer...........

[scumdog]

It's called empathy people....



Nobody said we had to 'be' anything, band of brothers, whatever.

[pritch]

Would you really align yourself with a rapist simply because he rides a motorcycle?

Not in that particular instance, but there are other circumstances where I would do that whatever...

Bikes are a definite community of interest, I ride a Jap bike but when travelling I sometimes nod to 1% ers in roadside cafes, they nod back. Although that might not work if you were 17 and wearing one piece leathers...

A Doctor I know of bought a Harley (see they aren't all accountants and lawyers :-). He used it to tour the country a couple of summers back. What struck him most while he was on his travels was that nobody asked him what he did for a living. The topics were bikes related and he really appreciated that.

[Taz]

And whiskey..... Mmmm whiskey.

[Katman]

Not in that particular instance

Ok, how about just an habitual thief?

[MSTRS]

Ok, how about just an habitual thief?

How would you know?
I'm sure we all have skeletons in the closet (so to speak), but most of 'us bikers' tend not to judge until given reason to do so by any particular individual.

[ManDownUnder]

Motorcycling needs to lose the "it's us against the world" mentality - that's what encourages the Skidmarks of our society. Comments like "above all else he's a biker and a brother" are better off on the big screen in some cheesy Wild Ones remake. People need to stop and realise Motorcycling is just a common interest we have - it's not a bond that binds us.

I think I see what was being said, and if I'm reading it right... well...

My view of the world is not "Us against them". We (motorcyclists) are an integral group within society. As soon as we get the us vs. them attitude we're fucked. "Them" sees "us" competing with them for whatever, put up the defences and the whole thing turns to crap. It's an arms race and it's a waste of time. For the sake of clarity, take it from a couple of viewpoints.

Let's say "Them" are the Hare Krishnas. They want to share their love of the Divine being, inner peace and the joy etc etc etc. As soon as they stand up and say "LISTEN TO US - WE'RE RIGHT!" the rest of society is going to have a Tui moment and carry on their merry way... with a view of Hare Krishnas that's less than what it previously was. But if that same Hare Krishna stops to help someone on the roadside change a tire then carry on, it plants a different seed. It's not going to win me over to their way of life, but it's going to help me relate to them.

Same as bikes. I tried to find SARGE's post about having a biker gang pull over and help him after a breakdown or accident he has. They put him up for the night etc etc etc. I wish I could find it - it's an eye opener. It's all pretty damned simple. We are a community (motorcyclists) within a community (society at large). Treat those around with some respect and watch it come pouring back.

Treat those around you with disdain and... you get the idea. People pat me on the back for helping others left and right and it's not me being a goody two shoes - it's just life in action. As I think it should be. Try it... help someone and have them pay it forward. Others have helped me on oh so many ocassions... so I'm simply paying it forward. not a biggie.

Back to SkidMark. He's a good kid and I'll happily stand in defence of him, or anyone for that matter, anytime the shit's being thrown for no good reason. And KBers seem to be good at that which pisses me off. If Mark needs some pointed advice, and even he would admit he needs more pointy advice that others, then yes, serve it up to him. If you are offering it to attack him then keep it to yourself. It's easy to be clever when you're in the majority, online and anonymous. The guys needs help - so help.

He needs it and he knows that. I think he needs to learn to listen to the answers... or not ask the queston. As someone said recently - you can lead a horse to water...

[PuppetMaster]

Would you really align yourself with a rapist simply because he rides a motorcycle?


leave the cops out of this!!!!:woohoo:

[kaz]

Motorcycling needs to lose the "it's us against the world" mentality - that's what encourages the Skidmarks of our society. Comments like "above all else he's a biker and a brother" are better off on the big screen in some cheesy Wild Ones remake. People need to stop and realise Motorcycling is just a common interest we have - it's not a bond that binds us.

I'm in no position to debate the skidmark stuff (though I've read the threads) but I do think katman makes good points.

Thanks to KB, I feel I belong to a biker community. Of course we all ride for different reasons. Some people like commuting efficiency, others desire a particular image, some are into long weekend rides, many love the sensation of riding, some are into technical matters…

But it’s a community because we actually participate in riding, debate various issues, offer each other support, and share common experiences. We often feel we "know what it's like", and we have empathy and kinship, and knowledge to share.

It gets dodgy if any of these things become a way to exclude others. To me, community is about leading a bigger life, not a smaller one. And this is not the only community I belong to; I play other roles, have other relationships, and other interests. I’d be inclined to stop and help a fellow biker in trouble for sure - perhaps more so because he/she is on two wheels. But I’d stop for a car driver, a pedestrian, or a cyclist too.

So I've never identified with “us against the world” because my community is the world.

[Ixion]

But something that is a bit irksome and tiresome are the "grieving" threads that we seem to delight in on KB, where the only comments that some folk think are allowable are the "Omigod, how terrible! Hope you're feeling better soon," or "RIP, fellow biker", kind of thing.

Yet, whilst banal, there have been numerous occasions where the compilation of such tributes has been forward to the injured, or the grieving, and has apparently been well received. For that purpose, even if no other, they are worthwhile. And, after all, most of the time what else *can* one say?



A question that needs to be asked is whether fair comment is allowed on KB,

No. That has been well established



or are we all about conforming to norms that are implied rather than stated?

Yes. The norms are not particularly implicit, they are the social norms of the Heaven Born - middle class, well to do, conservative, authoritarian, right wing.



As to the original proposition, I'll call any biker brother (or sister). But , not all who ride a motorcycle are bikers. Nor do all bikers ride a motorcycle.

And the elequence of the OP clearly shows us that there are arseholes in every society, biker and non-biker. Just because someone is my brother doesn't mean I agree with him.

But for simplicity I'll assume someone on two wheels is a biker until he/she proves otherwise. 'Tis a title of honour, and courtesy to extend the honour unless there is reason not to.

And the test is in the Biker Code. None of us live up to it all the time to be sure. But we can try.

[Mental Trousers]

I think that was entirely the point I was trying to make.:msn-wink:

I have no problem with the "it's me against the world" approach to riding, my original post clearly states "us against the world". It's the whole "I don't know you from Adam but I'll stick by you because you're a biker" concept that I have a problem with. Would you really align yourself with a rapist simply because he rides a motorcycle?

Finally. You should've made that clear a long time ago.

I don't tend to do that because there are some bikers I've met that are just as much of a bunch of fuckwits as the equivalent non-biker bunch of fuckwits. Sharing a similar interest does not mean they're a better person to me.

[Crisis management]

Yet again MDU, a well formed and reasoned arquement which I agree with.
However, as I understand Katmans viewpoint ( & mine), it is not an obliogation to accept an arsehole simply because he rides a bike.
My treatment of people is simple, let them earn my respect, I always meet people with an open mind and let them show me themselves. I decide from then on.
This doesn't mean it's a "one strike and your out", I've brought up kids and understand that everyone cocks up fairly regularly but it's how you respond to the realisation that you've made a mistake that will show the value of a person.
Taking SM as an example (he is the topic of the moment), while I admire your tenacity with this person I have no wish to waste my time on him, he seems to be simply feeding off all the fuss rather than trying to learn from it. As a comparison ZeroIndex? made a similar cock of himself not long ago but appears to have listened to the advice given and is geting on with a useful life.
I would happily spend time with Zeroindex but have no interest in SM.

At the end of the day I will always offer my advice but from then on it's up to the individual to accept / decline it. I make decision on their character not based upon their chosen method of transport but on their dealings with me.

[Macktheknife]

We are a community (motorcyclists) within a community (society at large). Treat those around with some respect and watch it come pouring back.



I am unsure of the original posters intentions, however, I have been riding for a considerable time now and I have noticed that in general bikers do tend to stick together and there are good reasons for that. It is in fact a 'band of brothers' to some extent, all of the hallmarks are there and one of the great things about KB is the frequency of the evidence of that.
Having said that, there are idiots and wankers in any community or sub-group, they will generally either learn not to be so (with help from those around them) or fall from the group. This is a normal human process that has been going on forever, why should it be different here?

[MadDuck]

a 'band of brothers' to some extent,


Ahemmm..... last time i looked I didnt have boy bits (thank god)
:buggerd:

[sunhuntin]

My mum always said, if you have nothing positive to say, don't bother saying anything.

Wasn't that Bambi's mother?.....Oh my god, a computer savvy Fawn.
(goes to get rifle, mmmm Venison).

no... that was thumpers mother! or rather, her husband said it. he also said "eating greens is a real treat. it gives long ears and great big feet!"

:wari:

[ManDownUnder]

...however, I have been riding for a considerable time now and I have noticed that in general bikers do tend to stick together and there are good reasons for that. It is in fact a 'band of brothers' to some extent, all of the hallmarks are there and one of the great things about KB is the frequency of the evidence of that.

I hear you. I personally put that down to a couple of things. Riding a motorcycle is an activity that only appeals to people with a certain risk profile. The truly risk averse stay away in droves. That's one aspect of commonality

The other major (and related) factor is the higher incidence of death in this group. Because of that risk obviously, but heightened in KB by the much higher awareness of what's going on nationally. As an example - I never met UncleB or DSS but knew them by proxy. A number of people I respect were absolutely gutted at what happened and their respects given gave me a view of the person I never got to meet.

Nothing unites a group like a common foe, and if that foe is ever present danger then we simply learn to deal with it, and teach others to do so. AWNMR being an example LEAPING to mind.

The fact the KB logo is popping up all over the place in patches, stickers etc demonstrates a strong sense of identity for the group as a whole... but eh "vs them" is the bit I have a problem with. Particularly the "vs"... when did it become a contest with winners and losers?

Or more importantly - why?

[007XX]

Ahemmm..... last time i looked I didnt have boy bits (thank god)
:buggerd:

:laugh:Would be a lot of fun though, wouldn't it? :dodge:

But more seriously and on track with this thread (I think Joni might fall out of her chair in sheer disbelief here! :love::laugh:):

I agree with Mack that the bikers community has one of the strongest sense of belonging about it I have ever come across...

We protect our own, we help each other, we are brothers and sisters...

Would we have it any other way: Of course not!:nono:

Do we still have individuals that are considered "black sheep"? : Of course we do!

No one and nothing is perfect. That's what make us individuals and interesting to get to know.

[Joni]

How can you judge an individual without knowing them!Words I so much agree with... well pointed out.

I do agree with Katman to some extent... however, when the community of motor cycle riders becomes a bit more centralised on a site like KB, it becomes a little different. No we dont all have to be "brothers" just because we ride... that's bullshit. However its not just the random meeting of bikers on the road we are dealing with... you are dealing with so many more people on here than you would normally meet. Or course there will be people you like and people you dont see eye to eye with, thats part of life.

However!!! Do you know Skidmark? Do you know his personal circumstance? Or any other person on this site for that matter... If the answer is yes, then so be it, if not, maybe people should think twice before they comment.

[oldrider]

At least your head ain't stuck up your arse! :laugh:

So OK, who is that guy in the picture then! :confused: John.

[Vagabond]

So OK, who is that guy in the picture then! :confused: John.

I can't tell from here!
But he'll definately have skidmarks after that!


(Not a piss tiake of our Skidmark):clap:

[Marmoot]

Not only does katman have a good point, we need to stop squelching the discussion that arises every time somebody has a fatal or near fatal "learning experience".

Common interests do make it easier to make friends with someone, often lifelong friends but motorcycling isn't a band of brotherhood.

Can't give green rep due to system not letting me, but I wish I can.

Calling motorcycling as "us against the world" is quite similar to Self-righteous Jihadist, no?

[Goblin]

:laugh:Would be a lot of fun though, wouldn't it? :dodge:
:laugh: Hell yeah! First thing I would do is the Wooowoooo thing and wave it around to see if it feels as funny as it looks.:lol:

Back on topic...I think FROSTY's sig line says it all. The biking community is like a family in that we have members that we dont necessarily like or get along with but they are part of the family. Same goes here...we bicker and fight just like siblings too.

[Macktheknife]

Ahemmm..... last time i looked I didnt have boy bits (thank god)
:buggerd:

Maybe not, but I will bet you've had a couple! lol.

[007XX]

:laugh: Hell yeah! First thing I would do is the Wooowoooo thing and wave it around to see if it feels as funny as it looks.:lol:

:lol: Yeah, that'd be funny, but personally, I'd have more carnal interests...:devil2:



Back on topic...I think FROSTY's sig line says it all. The biking community is like a family in that we have members that we dont necessarily like or get along with but they are part of the family. Same goes here...we bicker and fight just like siblings too.

Exactly...Since I have been on KB, I have made friends that I consider as close to me as family...

But are we making the mistake of thinking that this is just KB or is this customary of the whole Biker community??

I think that KB is very much unique and the people that make it are just willing to make this the awesome community it is!

The fact that we all happen to be bikers as well was just the common ground that got us all here in the first place...

It doesn't define solely who we are...

[avgas]

Would you really align yourself with a rapist simply because he rides a motorcycle?
Honda riders aside, what was your question?
No, i dont align myself with a rapist off a bike either? Does that make me inhuman?

[avgas]

So OK, who is that guy in the picture then! :confused: John.
Can't be me, i never get shitfaced

[oldrider]

Ahemmm..... last time i looked I didnt have boy bits (thank god)
:buggerd:

C'mon, every girl knows that she can have as many boy bits as she wants, if she plays her cards right! :bleh: :eek: :niceone: John.

[Goblin]

Exactly...Since I have been on KB, I have made friends that I consider as close to me as family...

But are we making the mistake of thinking that this is just KB or is this customary of the whole Biker community??

The fact that we all happen to be bikers as well was just the common ground that got us all here in the first place...

It doesn't define solely who we are...I feel it's the whole of the biking community. Example...on the way to the Kiwi I saw a bunch of bikes stopped on the side of the road so I slowed down to see if they were ok, got the thumbs up from them so carried on. Bit further down the road there were two scooters stopped so I did the same. I had no idea if they were KBers or not but they may have needed assistance. I would hope if I broke down miles from home that someone would stop and offer help too.

I consider myself a motorcyclist above all else in life...even above being a mum. I was biking long before kids came along and I will be long after they've left home.

[pritch]

Ok, how about just an habitual thief?

The "whatever" stands. To get too involved in an explanation of that would take the thread off-topic.

[Katman]

I also will stop and help out any motorcyclist stuck on the side of the road. Hell, I even wave or nod to all motorcyclists. However, I refuse to see motorcycling as some deep and mysterious "brotherhood".

[007XX]

C'mon, every girl knows that she can have as many boy bits as she wants, if she plays her cards right! :bleh: :eek: :niceone: John.

It just isn't quite the same though, is it? :dodge: :lol:


I feel it's the whole of the biking community. Example...on the way to the Kiwi I saw a bunch of bikes stopped on the side of the road so I slowed down to see if they were ok, got the thumbs up from them so carried on. Bit further down the road there were two scooters stopped so I did the same. I had no idea if they were KBers or not but they may have needed assistance. I would hope if I broke down miles from home that someone would stop and offer help too.

I consider myself a motorcyclist above all else in life...even above being a mum. I was biking long before kids came along and I will be long after they've left home.

I agree with you wholeheartedly...thing is, I have been in a situation before where I did have problems with my bike, and another biker DIDN'T stop to help...

I was truly flabergasted, as I have come to expect the level of brotherhood you described, as I would offer it too...

So, there are bad eggs everywhere, and to go back to the initial question raised by this thread:

Do we, as bikers, need to stop thinking of ourselves as "a breed of our own", wih the whole world of cagers out there to get us... Hence a need for an attitude adjustment????

[zeocen]

I also will stop and help out any motorcyclist stuck on the side of the road. Hell, I even wave or nod to all motorcyclists. However, I refuse to see motorcycling as some deep and mysterious "brotherhood".

Someone's got no friends..
:(

[discotex]

It's the whole "I don't know you from Adam but I'll stick by you because you're a biker" concept that I have a problem with. Would you really align yourself with a rapist simply because he rides a motorcycle?

Where did that come from? Talk about out of left field. I get what you're trying to point out but man what a way to make your point....

I've not seen one person on KB say (or imply) that they would stick by any biker no matter what. It's just a starting point mate. It's why you're on KB in the first place. Hell plenty make it clear they just want to do their own thing. :whocares:

Other than the "dumb cager" comments here and there I have no idea where you get the idea that KB'ers are promoting an us-vs-them mentality.

[Katman]

The point I'm trying to make is, wtf does "above all else he's/she's a biker" mean? Does it mean that over and above the fact that he/she may be a total scumbag, he/she rides a motorbike and therefore should be seen and treated as a "brother/sister"?

[Hitcher]

Some people do care when they hear of a fellow biker dying or being seriously hurt. So what? Let people discuss it and pay their respects in whatever way they feel necessary. To interrupt what is for many an emotional discussion with what is effectively saying "who cares" is confrontational (and in the eyes of many disrespectful) and is simply asking to be attacked.

Perhaps emotionally charged threads aren't the place for reasoned and intelligent discussion. The idea that some one would try to attempt a reasoned and intelligent discussion in such a thread seems a little paradoxical to me.

"Time" and "place" are always subjective and relative. Just because some comment may have been made in the "wrong" place or at the "wrong" time should not diminish its validity. Or indeed subject its utterer to a tirade of rabid invective. Such behaviour is extremely childish, simplistic and uncalled for. No one person holds the patent on truth or righteousness. We should be able to debate things openly and without fear. The shallowness of some people troubles me at times.

[Joni]

The shallowness of some people troubles me at times. I agree, and the insensitivity of some on here baffles me as well :confused:

[Albino]

blah blah blah.

[terbang]

Birds of a feather, flock together.
Motorcycles aren't for everyone but obviously some of us just love em. Like anything else of common interest, we tend to share a common kinship or bond with 'our kind' and look after our own. It is good to share and learn from others as well in a common interest. I am naturally more likely to gravitate toward a bunch of bikers or aviators than perhaps a lawn bowls club or a bunch of trekkies. Its not bikers against the world but rather bikers looking after each other. As I guess the trekkies do.

[terbang]

:laugh: Hell yeah! First thing I would do is the Wooowoooo thing and wave it around to see if it feels as funny as it looks.:lol:

.
You'll also love taking a pee without having to strip off yer leathers. :moon:

[delusionz]

man, this thread just goes on and on and on. katman is a shit stirrer, this is exactly what he wants is to start some shit, get everybody uptight and start a bickering war between us, thats why i called for it to be frozen from the start.

for the record, "us bikers" is perfectly fine to say. it is 'us' because theres a common ground between us and thats motorcycles and thats kiwibiker. if you dont want to be part of 'us' then you shouldn't be here posting

[Pwalo]

I think we're all taking this far too seriously. I can't see how riding a motorcycle changes my personality, or values, or even value as a person.

Face it we are just a bunch of people who ride motorcycles. That's it.

[Ewan Oozarmy]

One thing I've noticed since riding over here (NZ) is 95% of bikers I see on the road give me a nod, and I give one back.

This is actually unique to NZ and great as far as I'm concerned. Biker community. All good!

[Griff]

The point I'm trying to make is, wtf does "above all else he's/she's a biker" mean? Does it mean that over and above the fact that he/she may be a total scumbag, he/she rides a motorbike and therefore should be seen and treated as a "brother/sister"?

Personally I see it like this...

I ride every day in all conditions, all weathers.
When I see another biker (irrespective of what he/she rides), they are in the same minority and are facing the same conditions that I go through and that, I respect.

I DO CARE if someone has been involved in an accident and often have wished that these total strangers recover soon and get back on the road.

I understand your point about the term Brother or Sister to a degree, but please give it a rest eh? Otherwise when you have something really valuable to say, no-one will take any noticeand that would be sad.

[Joni]

I DO CARE if someone has been involved in an accident and often have wished that these total strangers recover soon and get back on the road.Question, is this because the person is a biker? Or because you are a decent human being who would be concerned for people who are hurt/killed in an accident?

[Griff]

Hi Joni,
I don't think you were REALLY directing that question at me, were you?

[Joni]

Hi Joni,
I don't think you were REALLY directing that question at me, were you?Yes i was in a way.... but not at you direclty... more hypothetically.

Im trying to figure out do people care just because the person injured/killed is a biker, or do they care as people.

:spudwhat:

[avgas]

"brotherhood".
Name one that doesn't have assholes, back stabbers etc
Its a brotherhood, just as dysfunctional as the rest.
Well mabey a little less dysfunctional then the rotary club.

[avgas]

Question, is this because the person is a biker? Or because you are a decent human being who would be concerned for people who are hurt/killed in an accident?
Its the "It-could-have-been-me" thing.
I had the same issue when i was working on site.

[Joni]

Its the "It-could-have-been-me" thing.OK, thanks! Makes sence :2thumbsup

So its that most of us relate to bikers more than we do to a guy sandwiched in a cage?

[avgas]

I think we're all taking this far too seriously. I can't see how riding a motorcycle changes my personality, or values, or even value as a person.
Face it we are just a bunch of people who ride motorcycles. That's it.
Sad to hear someone feels that way.
For me it is something i would never give up.
Its something that links me to people who have shared the same experience.
Its something that leads to exchange of conversation, sharing of stories etc.
Are your a motorcyclist - or do you just use it for transport as there is a difference.

[007XX]

Yes i was in a way.... but not at you direclty... more hypothetically.

Im trying to figure out do people care just because the person injured/killed is a biker, or do they care as people.

:spudwhat:

One would hope that the rule is for the second option, but then, I am an idealistic kind of girl...

Personally, I'd stop for a car or a bike in trouble. Wether being a biker has made me more sensitive to someone in need on the road, I'd say yes.

[Griff]

Yes i was in a way.... but not at you direclty... more hypothetically. Im trying to figure out do people care just because the person injured/killed is a biker, or do they care as people.

I care because I nearly lost my right arm and was left for dead in a Hit'n'Run bike accident years ago and can still emphasize with the pain, anger, frustration and the feeling of helplessness that these poor sods must be going through.

If these guys and gals reach out for help, then it should be given to them. (Sounds a bit like the Mental Health TV Advert that is going around at the moment - "Tell someone about it and if they don't get it, then tell someone else until you find someone who does get it" etc).

What goes around .... comes around.

[avgas]

So its that most of us relate to bikers more than we do to a guy sandwiched in a cage?
Yeh pretty much, the exception to the rule is if you hear about an accident when you have driven alot (say every day), then one day you dont go to work and someone dies in a car accident at the time you were suppose to be on that road.
Leaves you with a feeling of fate. You are familiar with the environment, so it all seems to real for you.
I still find it hilarious pointing out the various areas where i have crashed to others as new stuff is there, i have my own painted white line on dominon road (no line was there previous to my crash), on the waihi-whangamata there is a 45kph corner with a brand new fenced section of paddock etc
If i hear of someone crashing in that area i instantly feel something.
Likewise when there is a tunneling accident.

[Joni]

Well said Mr Griff. :yes:

[Maha]

It is in fact a 'band of brothers' to some extent, all of the hallmarks are there and one of the great things about KB is the frequency of the evidence of that.


We had a KB party in July last year...this bloke called Macktheknife said he would turn up...never met him before...does he resemble his avatar? turns out a few turned up that we had never met before and we are so happy that MtK came here that night, hes a wonderful chap...:niceone: band of brothers/sister's?....yeah i think so, but like all family's...not everyone sees eye to eye on every issue.

[canarlee]

Are your a motorcyclist - or do you just use it for transport as there is a difference.

a motorcyclist is someone that rides a motorcycle!


a biker/bikey however is different.

[peasea]

My mum always said, if you have nothing positive to say, don't bother saying anything.

Wasn't that Bambi's mother?.....Oh my god, a computer savvy Fawn.
(goes to get rifle, mmmm Venison).

Guns......oh dear.....

[peasea]

Motorcycling needs to lose the "it's us against the world" mentality - that's what encourages the Skidmarks of our society. Comments like "above all else he's a biker and a brother" are better off on the big screen in some cheesy Wild Ones remake. People need to stop and realise Motorcycling is just a common interest we have - it's not a bond that binds us.


If it's the movie I think you're referring to it was actually entitled 'The Wild One' and was pretty cool in its day, in fact, it still is. Cheesy it may be but I bet it made those dudes more cash than you'll ever earn.

I agree with oldrider in that if we aren't fully alert and take a 'them or me' attitude we'll all wind up dead. (It's actually 'us against the cops' anyway, remember?) You can make of motorcycling what you will but from a band of mates that goes back to the early 70's the people I am in closest contact with were/still are bikers. I think there is a certain 'survivalist' instinct among us, there needs to be, and perhaps it's that (as well as a passion for bikes) that gives us some common ground.

Having said that, I'd like to add; "piss off and whinge somewhere else".

[peasea]

a motorcyclist is someone that rides a motorcycle!


a biker/bikey however is different.


You could also say that because somone is in a motorcycle club (M/C) then they're a gang member. Not always true.

[MSTRS]

I think we're all taking this far too seriously. I can't see how riding a motorcycle changes my personality, or values, or even value as a person.

Face it we are just a bunch of people who ride motorcycles. That's it.

Can't agree with that. Unless you ride a commuter (say) just to have wheels of your own.
Bikers come with all the same variety that any disparate group of people have, BUT with the added dimension of a shared interest, with all the stories and experiences that go with that.

[Katman]

BUT with the added dimension of a shared interest,

Like I've said, if I see a motorcyclist stranded I'll stop and help (but then again, I'd probably stop and help anyone stranded), and if I'm at a gathering and see someone who obviously rides a bike I'll no doubt end up talking to them. But it's because we have a shared interest, not a "special bond". What a ridiculous concept that you could have a "special bond" with someone you don't know.

[terbang]

Just looked up bond on my computers dictionary.

"A connection based on kinship or marriage or common interest"

[peasea]

3M use 'special bond' all the time; this is from their website:
"A new product invented and made by American 3m company, By using high toughness fiber and fine grit which combined by special bond"

[Grahameeboy]

Like I've said, if I see a motorcyclist stranded I'll stop and help (but then again, I'd probably stop and help anyone stranded), and if I'm at a gathering and see someone who obviously rides a bike I'll no doubt end up talking to them. But it's because we have a shared interest, not a "special bond". What a ridiculous concept that you could have a "special bond" with someone you don't know.

You are starting to be more constructive and see where you are coming from, however, what is a 'Special Bond'...I guess it is 'within' and differs from person to person. What you think is not a special bond maybe to someone else.....so it is only ridiculous from your world. You cannot criticise the way that other person feels, just you don't see it from their world...that is all.

I have not met you so I have a shared interest with you.

I have met a few KBers like Maha, Mom, Carnerlee, MacktheKnife to name a few and I have a special bond with them cause I know I can just call up and pop over or if I need help I know they will help me and vice versa which is more than just sharing a common interest.

[Grahameeboy]

3M use 'special bond' all the time; this is from their website:
"A new product invented and made by American 3m company, By using high toughness fiber and fine grit which combined by special bond"

I was thinking the same thing....must be that special bond eh??:2thumbsup

[Katman]

I have not met you so I have a shared interest with you.

I have met a few KBers like Maha, Mom, Carnerlee, MacktheKnife to name a few and I have a special bond with them cause I know I can just call up and pop over or if I need help I know they will help me and vice versa which is more than just sharing a common interest.

That is precisely it. I too, have formed a bond with many motorcyclists I've met. Those who I have not met just happen to share my interest in bikes. To me they are just motorcyclists.

[Taz]

Mmmm Maybe southern comfort......... or bourbon...... Mmmmm

[FROSTY]

I think we're all taking this far too seriously. I can't see how riding a motorcycle changes my personality, or values, or even value as a person.

Face it we are just a bunch of people who ride motorcycles. That's it.
I can't see riding bikes as "changing" anything either--I think a certain personality type is attracted to the freedom of being a biker.
ACTUALLY no I know stuff thats happened to me on a bike has changed me and the way I see the world.

[Goblin]

Mmmm Maybe southern comfort......... or bourbon...... MmmmmMmmmm...Southern Comfort.

[Grahameeboy]

That is precisely it. I too, have formed a bond with many motorcyclists I've met. Those who I have not met just happen to share my interest in bikes. To me they are just motorcyclists.

But for some of us this site does have a special bond, demonstrated at times and there are some KBers who I have not yet met yet I feel a special bond.

All I am saying is that you started off attacking, seemed to have stepped back and you have to realise that not everyone see things the way you do and :msn-wink:KB is a positive place with like minded people, with a common bond.....so can we compromise at 'Common Bond'??:niceone:

[terbang]

Mmmmm...Southern Comfort.



I hear the French call that stuff LeGopener..!

[Her_C4]

I hear the French call that LeGopener..?

:bleh::niceone::rofl::killingme:killingme...... veeeeery good

[doc]

Motorcycling needs to lose the "it's us against the world" mentality - that's what encourages the Skidmarks of our society. Comments like "above all else he's a biker and a brother" are better off on the big screen in some cheesy Wild Ones remake. People need to stop and realise Motorcycling is just a common interest we have - it's not a bond that binds us.
F.ck this will wind some up. I totally agree with you. Motorcycles are a passion , bit imature when you analyse it too much. not a sensible choice of transport, cold, no creature comforts, not really economic in a lot of situations. But who would ride from Auckland to Brass Monkey at the start of winter on one of the friggen things stay the night, in what could be a really hostile environment. Or ride one of the things around a track to the max with the possibility that a mistake will really hurt at the least and cost a lot of money. Or even just having one and riding it on the weekends so you can feel cool. It's an adventure or pushing the limits or just saying fu.k you to normality. We all fuck it up by getting quite critcal of various trivia like "Hondas are Gay" "Harley riders don't wave" "Sportsters are a girls bike". Sprotsbikes etc . But the point I think being made is we are not a Gang who are too stupid to make our own decisions and don't follow the flock for the sake of it .Some ride bikes to demonstate attitude maybe because they have a helmet (Mask) on so no one will see who they are so they can show attitude without getting caught. Maybe part of registration practice for KB'r should include Tattooing your user name on your forehead. Just because you ride a bike doesn't mean you have joined "the gang"

[Oakie]

You'll also love taking a pee without having to strip off yer leathers. :moon:

But not so much the forgetting to 'arrange yourself' at the start and having an uncomfortable ride.

[terbang]

But not so much the forgetting to 'arrange yourself' at the start and having an uncomfortable ride.

You mean you don't tape it to your ankle?

[Goblin]

But not so much the forgetting to 'arrange yourself' at the start and having an uncomfortable ride.That'd be more of a 'Package Adjustment' :laugh:

[Oakie]

Are your a motorcyclist - or do you just use it for transport as there is a difference.

Interesting question. I use my bike everyday to go to work so I primarily use it for transport (although I of course get out in the weekend whenever I can).
Mrs Oakie only takes her's out in the weekend so doesn't use it for transport at all. Is she then the more pure motorcyclist as she only uses it for riding just for the pleasure of riding while I use mine 5 days out of 7 for the practical purpose of going to work?

Perhaps those maligned 'only in the weekend' riders ARE the real riders?

[Oakie]

You mean you don't tape it to your ankle?

Only if I'm sitting in the 'lotus' position.

[Goblin]

Interesting question. I use my bike everyday to go to work so I primarily use it for transport (although I of course get out in the weekend whenever I can).
Mrs Oakie only takes her's out in the weekend so doesn't use it for transport at all. Is she then the more pure motorcyclist as she only uses it for riding just for the pleasure of riding while I use mine 5 days out of 7 for the practical purpose of going to work?

Perhaps those maligned 'only in the weekend' riders ARE the real riders?I really miss the days when my bike was my only means of transport.:bye: Only another 10-13 years until I hope it will be again.


Only if I'm sitting in the 'lotus' position.:laugh: You funny bugga!

[Oakie]

I really miss the days when my bike was my only means of transport.:bye: Only another 10-13 years until I hope it will be again.



Yeah. A good ride to work is just the best way to start the day and I just love the feeling of riding away from work at the end of a hard day as you can just feel the day's troubles just drain away. Regardless of the day, I'm always in a good mood when I arrive at work and again when I get back home.

[discotex]

Yeah. A good ride to work is just the best way to start the day and I just love the feeling of riding away from work at the end of a hard day as you can just feel the day's troubles just drain away. Regardless of the day, I'm always in a good mood when I arrive at work and again when I get back home.

Absolutely! I used to arrive at work stressed, drained and basically ready to go home. Since I started riding every day I arrive refreshed and ready. I'd struggle to go back to driving a car to work.

Not to mention the hour or more a day that I now get to do other shit like read KB :blink:

[scumdog]

Birds of a feather, flock together.
Motorcycles aren't for everyone but obviously some of us just love em. Like anything else of common interest, we tend to share a common kinship or bond with 'our kind' and look after our own. It is good to share and learn from others as well in a common interest. I am naturally more likely to gravitate toward a bunch of bikers or aviators than perhaps a lawn bowls club or a bunch of trekkies. Its not bikers against the world but rather bikers looking after each other. As I guess the trekkies do.


As I said earlier Mr T. - the one word that covers most of it is 'empathy'.

Most have that but don't expect to have to be a 'brotherhood'.

[Boob Johnson]

I think that Katman has raised an issue that's worthy of reasoned, intelligent discussion. Members who aren't up to that task should focus their vitriol elsewhere.Maybe it is worthy maybe its not, what some members have an issue with isn't that katman has very few posts its the vast majority are extremely negative, argumentative & plain shit stirring, so when they see another post/thread by Katman it's understandable they are sceptical to him being genuine in his intentions.







I think that was entirely the point I was trying to make.:msn-wink:

I have no problem with the "it's me against the world" approach to riding, my original post clearly states "us against the world". It's the whole "I don't know you from Adam but I'll stick by you because you're a biker" concept that I have a problem with. Would you really align yourself with a rapist simply because he rides a motorcycle?This is a classic example of Katman's BS. I don't believe there is a person on KB'er that feels that way, your just splitting hairs, arguing for the sakes of it, no one thinks that at all. So no I don't think this thread has a valid point other than to confirm once again Katman is an extremely immature plonker.


Katman you arrogantly continue to remind everyone you have been riding for 25 yrs which you think gives you some Jedi type powers of worldly comprehension that no one else could possibly obtain unless they have riden a bike for as long.


Grow up man, I know teenagers more mature that




Where did that come from? Talk about out of left field. I get what you're trying to point out but man what a way to make your point....

I've not seen one person on KB say (or imply) that they would stick by any biker no matter what. It's just a starting point mate. It's why you're on KB in the first place. Hell plenty make it clear they just want to do their own thing. :whocares:

Other than the "dumb cager" comments here and there I have no idea where you get the idea that KB'ers are promoting an us-vs-them mentality.Exactly!! He pulls it out of thin air like it's a fact when he's the only one who is actually saying it



The point I'm trying to make is, wtf does "above all else he's/she's a biker" mean? Does it mean that over and above the fact that he/she may be a total scumbag, he/she rides a motorbike and therefore should be seen and treated as a "brother/sister"?So are you trying to say when a biker is down we need to first ascertain that they aren't a scumbag first then help? Are you saying if you came across an accident, stopped to help & when you got to the burning car & realised it was Chris Kahui inside the burning car, would you walk away?

We know what you mean, it's been covered time and time again, you just want to stir the pot, your not genuinely looking for answers.

[Brian d marge]

Must chip in here , for the most part I can see where Katman is coming from , and I tend to share similar opinions .

From the biker down , to accidents , to u name it , after a touch over 25 years of working riding , racing ..( well if you can call it that ) in the industry ,,, well .. nothing really gets my back up

Stupidity does . ( safety at races and the she will be right attitude can piss me off , mainly cos there are peoples actions have dramatic consequences on other peoples lives . So does Apathy as that effects my life.... ( 24k student loan thanks very much )

I chose to ride , So my actions have an effect on my family , so I do my best to see that those effects aren't negative ( such as riding like a paranoid old women on the road , and leave the racing for the dirt ..and in the last 10 years ,,I cant remember a scary moment ...not one ...no not one ...

while biking isn't a brotherhood ,( I have a brother ,, just as well he likes bikes to ) .. it IS a shared interest , of shared experiences something which 92 % of the population will never understand ( I need a motorbike or I get Madd ..motorcycle affected disorder , and thus sad )

Now I like helping people.. I like it , its no problem for me and it doesn't cause me any inconvenience , so whether its a Hells angel , rugby player in a car , or Paris Hilton in a short skirt ....I will pull over and help ,,,

Chris ka( whats his face ) ... yes I would help him from the car , ( He wouldn't like me on his Jury , but thats for another day )

So back to bikes

I am looking forward to the next VMX next month ...the Enfield may be ready ,,, and I have a new BBQ ...

Life is looking good


Stephen

[skidMark]

Motorcycling needs to lose the "it's us against the world" mentality - that's what encourages the Skidmarks of our society. Comments like "above all else he's a biker and a brother" are better off on the big screen in some cheesy Wild Ones remake. People need to stop and realise Motorcycling is just a common interest we have - it's not a bond that binds us.


I have read every post in this entire thread yes all eight pages. A very interesting read indeed, i have come to the conclusion. That you are a prick. In saying this though, if you had an accident i would do everything i possibly could to help you, as i am not a person that holds a grudge.

Here is a good example of this:

I was a pillion on the thursday night ride, the bike infront had a pillion passenger, to give thier member names on kiwibiker is not needed so i will not say them. the pillion passenger went to change his grip and fell off the bike. right infront of the bike i was pillion on the bike i was on locked up the rear wheel and was heading for a ditch, but the rider managed to save it whilst dodging the rider, the first thing i did was start running in the opposite direction, to see the pillion from the bike that was infront of us try to stand up stumble 2 steps then collapse to the ground.

Now the pillion rider who had come off we had been friends for a while, and at one point on the thursday night ride i passed him coming into a corner and he had a bit of a go at me which looing back now was a fair point, but up until this crash i did not really associate with him much. but my first reaction was to run as fast as i could the 100 metres or so down a busy road to get to him and attend to him it's called empathy and giving a shit about somebody else.

Luckily he was ok.

What was the point of that story?

That no matter how much of a prick i think you are no matter how much you dig into me, hate me, think i'm an idiot/maniac or whatever else you can think of.

If you had a crash or needed help then i would help you i would not just laugh and keep going and mutter something about karma.

Yes my riding needs some work , my self control needs work, thats why i made a thread, i knew i would get abused but i also knew i would get some help out of it which is what i needed.

If you do not want to read threads about biker down. which you always bitch and moan about, then do not open them, do not read them, you are in control of what you read on here, and you are the one in control of replying or not, i suggest you read over your posts katman, and decide what it is you are trying to achieve, to piss people off, to shit stir, or simply to voice an opinion. I am all for voicing an opinion but making personal attacks on those you have never met and showing what seems to me like no empathy whatsoever yes you would stop at a crash , but it's not just about that.

Yes, we do all give each other shit around here alot of it quite jokingly and you are also right that just because we share a common interest it doesnt mean we have to get along.

In saying this, for those of us that want to talk about motorcycles and things motorcycle related and basically anything else in the rant or rave section, this site is a great resource, and i have made some friends that i'm sure i will have until the day i die because of this forum. Also yes there are some people i do not like, not everybody is going to get along, this is not a perfect world, infact far from it.

Poke shit all you want katman, if you are here to talk about bikes go ahead talk about bikes and hey whatever else, but do not make personnal attacks it is uncalled for to constantly use me for your personal entertainment and the focus point of your abuse, if you do not like me, add me to your ignore list, or perhaps not reply. The choice is yours.

You have very strong opinions katman and i can appreciate that, but there is no need to single me out, and i think you need to note that there are boundrys and a thread of a biker down is no place to sling abuse at fellow members, take it to a private message conversation but do not jump into other peoples threads when you know full well what you are saying is not appropriate to put in that thread. Maybe you just want others to dislike you, i do not know, as i have not met you.

Take from this what you will katman sling more abuse or whatever, it is achieving you nothing except maybe some strange sort of pleasure going well shit i showed that skidMark didn't i fuck i net bashed the little cunt good and proper.

Well done a gold star for you.

What does it achieve, wasting what little time you have on this planet your on average 70-75 years, why are you wasting it getting all upset over things that in all honesty do not matter.

Life is short, enjoy the time you have, you never know when it's up.

If you read this post and instantly want to dig into me thats fine go ahead katman, but once you have calmed down i want you to read it again and again until you understand and maybe realise what you are doing is pointless and in a way pathetic.

You seem to always start arguements to get people worked up and well done you achieve it everytime.

What is the purpose though what does this achieve for you?

So many questions don't answer any if you like, or maybe just answer them to yourself perhaps.

I hope someday we can get along without slinging abuse at each other we don't have to be friends and in no way would i ever expect that to happen, but keep it civil.

Regards: Mark.

[Katman]

Interesting that you should insist in your post that I read it again and again until I understand it - perhaps you should try it some time.:msn-wink:

[Oakie]

I have read every post in this entire thread yes all eight pages. ETC ETC

Good post Mark. What you said and the way you said it surprised me and I'm sure it will surprise a few others.

[Katman]

Good post Mark. What you said and the way you said it surprised me and I'm sure it will surprise a few others.

Personally, I think someone wrote it on his behalf.:msn-wink:

[Sanx]

Personally, I think someone wrote it on his behalf.:msn-wink:

Katman ... I'm not sure how many people would join me in this sentiment, but will you please shut the fuck up and take your trolling elsewhere.

Now, where's that ignore list function?

[MSTRS]

Interesting that you should insist in your post that I read it again and again until I understand it - perhaps you should try it some time.:msn-wink:


Personally, I think someone wrote it on his behalf.:msn-wink:

Anyone with a working brain cell would be embarrassed to write that. And no, the smiley doesn't show you are taking the piss.

[Blackbird]

Hi Mark

Despite the stick you've copped (much of it deserved:yes:), there wouldn't be many of us who have gone through some of what you've experienced but maybe have been a little more fortunate to get away with it and come out of the other side somewhat wiser.

Have a look at the attachment on thread: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=22520. Perhaps something in there might strike a chord with you inasmuch there's more enjoyment to be got out of motorcycling than just misbehaving!

Best wishes for the future,

Geoff

[peasea]

I hope someday we can get along without slinging abuse at each other

Party pooper.

[sprag]

Rolls eyes and gets back to work

[peasea]

Rolls eyes and gets back to work

Rolls joint and thinks "fuck it".

[avgas]

Yeah. A good ride to work is just the best way to start the day and I just love the feeling of riding away from work at the end of a hard day as you can just feel the day's troubles just drain away.
By sharing this - are you not part of a community?
Or is this self release - like a diary for you?
For me reading it - i feel i know you better. To me, that makes you a member of a said community.
Mabey i'm wrong about this.
But i have met people previously, who when have a chat to them say "Yeah, i used to have a motorbike" then leave the topic hanging like their ex wife.

[avgas]

Its funny how people red rep to resort to name calling rather than chucking it out there for all to see. Weak.
If they wanted it private there is also a pm function.
Pussies.

[Oakie]

By sharing this - are you not part of a community?
Or is this self release - like a diary for you?
For me reading it - i feel i know you better. To me, that makes you a member of a said community.
Mabey i'm wrong about this.
But i have met people previously, who when have a chat to them say "Yeah, i used to have a motorbike" then leave the topic hanging like their ex wife.

You're not wrong. I don't even have to necessarily share my feelings to make me feel part of the KB community. I think that just by logging on here at the end of each day just to see what the rest of you have posted re-affirms that I'm part of a community as it makes me feel as if I'm amongs friends, even though I've only met a handful of KBers.

[Taz]

Mmmmm maybe some nice wine? The cask type?...... AlCoHoL:cool:

[skidMark]

Mmmmm maybe some nice wine? The cask type?...... AlCoHoL:cool:


You always make me laugh man, youre randomer than me!

[idb]

Mmmmm maybe some nice wine? The cask type?...... AlCoHoL:cool:

Balloons for f**cks sake...balloooooooooooooooooons!!!

[skidMark]

Balloons for f**cks sake...balloooooooooooooooooons!!!


I think we need a poll for most random person on kb..

[Griff]

I have met people previously, who when have a chat to them say "Yeah, i used to have a motorbike" then leave the topic hanging like their ex wife.

Its statements like these that will only serve to ignite Katman.
He has already raised his concerns regarding the moral level of the biking community.

:innocent:

[avgas]

Its statements like these that will only serve to ignite Katman.
He has already raised his concerns regarding the moral level of the biking community.

:innocent:
Face it, hard facts here:
People talking on forums do not dictate actions of entire populations.
It is easier to be member of said forums, than it is to ride a bike.

[peasea]

Face it, hard facts here:
People talking on forums do not dictate actions of entire populations.
It is easier to be member of said forums, than it is to ride a bike.


Actually; I disagree.

On kb I have to read shit, take it all in, digest it, think up retorts, get facts straight (as much as possible, that is), type, spell check, fuck around pouring drinks and changing CD's......nah, riding is much easier and the balance of dickheads between city riding and kb is about 50/50.

The one advantage of kb is; I can type as fast as I like and not get a ticket.

[BMW]

thought the idea was to have fun and be safe?

[peasea]

thought the idea was to have fun and be safe?

Quite right.
Note to self, spend less time on kb and ride more.

[mstriumph]

........... Would you really align yourself with a rapist simply because he rides a motorcycle?

well no, of course not ....... but i wouldn't align myself with my brother if he were a rapist, either [that i don't have a brother is beside the point ....:dodge:]

in your sentence the operative, most important, word is 'rapist'

if that were replaced with something less in your face [like 'flower-picker' f'rinstance] then the answer may well be 'yes'

..... and no, i'm not related to any flower-pickers, neither ....

[skidMark]

here we go again...

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[peasea]

well no, of course not ....... but i wouldn't align myself with my brother if he were a rapist, either [that i don't have a brother is beside the point ....:dodge:]

in your sentence the operative, most important, word is 'rapist'

if that were replaced with something less in your face [like 'flower-picker' f'rinstance] then the answer may well be 'yes'

..... and no, i'm not related to any flower-pickers, neither ....

What if the rapist were a pol...eee....

Nah, I won't say it.

[McDuck]

Well, to spite the fact that katman is a top guy:2thumbsup and is helping me fix my bike up :hug::hug::hug: i disagree with him......... :girlfight: but sure as heck it has given the brain a work out thinking up responses to his argument :blink:

Good thing this is a free world and all, so we can say what ever we want etc
I dont think this argument will ever be settled, so just as long as nobody gets all hot and bothered about it we should be right.

[idb]

.....listen to me people.........won't someone please listen......balloooooooooons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Katman]

Well, to spite the fact that katman is a top guy

Shhhshhhh mcduck - I have my reputation to think of.:msn-wink: