SAFE - Security options?

[Disco Dan]

What are your thoughts on a safe for the home or small office?

What sort of money should you pay?
What features would you expect? Fire ratings?
What features do you need?

What makes a good safe? Combination lock? Key? Electronic?

Where to put it? In view but secure? Out of sight? Floor? The classic "behind the painting"?

Anybody do this sort of thing for a living? Either side of the law.. :cool::niceone:

Example one (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/Security-locks-alarms/Other/auction-116340811.htm?p=50)
Example two (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/Security-locks-alarms/Alarms/auction-115553749.htm?p=45)
Example three (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/Security-locks-alarms/Other/auction-115832156.htm?p=3)

[Kiwifire72]

Just let her go its no use locking her away in a safe she will break out and run off with that other man or woman no matter how you try to lock her away
Oh sorry you weren't meaning the wife or GF to lock away lol
We just been overseas and stayed in a nice hotel and a resrt and they just had those small electronic safes in the wardrobes small but ok for passports etc and items up to about shoe box size
we were happy with place stuff in them
you can bolt them to floor wall etc
Ring your local prison they maybe able to get you some good advice lol

[Her_C4]

Ring your local prison they maybe able to get you some good advice lol

I can't imagine what yoiu think that they need them for??? :laugh:

Recalcitrant inmates perhaps? :Police::niceone:

Actually have been thinking about a safe myself, and have a couple of requirements:

1. Must be fully fire proof (not all safes are apparently!)
2. Must be too heavy to lift and carry away in a burg
3. Has to be a pretty colour :bleh:

[Kiwifire72]

I can't imagine what yoiu think that they need them for??? :laugh:

Recalcitrant inmates perhaps? :Police::niceone:

Actually have been thinking about a safe myself, and have a couple of requirements:

1. Must be fully fire proof (not all safes are apparently!)
2. Must be too heavy to lift and carry away in a burg
3. Has to be a pretty colour :bleh:
PINK???????
lol

Prisoners will tell you which safe hard to break into lol

[ManDownUnder]

Heavy
Able to bolt the bastard down (which saves people from being able to put things under it to lift it too)
Key lock or combination lock. Electronic locks are nice but a pain when the batteries run low

Fireproof ideally but you pay a fortune for one of those

[Sanx]

It's all very well asking what features we would look for, but really you should be asking yourself what features you need.

Work out what you're going to be protecting, then work out how much it would cost you to replace it. There's your budget. It's pointless spending $1000 on a safe to protect a $100 asset. Cheaper to just buy another one if it gets stolen.

There's usually a direct proportional relationship between security and cost. THe more expensive it is, the better the security. The cheaper it is, the easier it'll be to break into or steal. You need to work out at what point along the cost / security line you need.

[mdooher]

Grab a second hand post office safe (about the size of a small filing cabinet) if you can get one. They are fire-proof, too heavy to lift (well for me anyway) and can be bolted down. Any locksmith can change the key for you. They also look quite nice painted black.

[Disco Dan]

It's all very well asking what features we would look for, but really you should be asking yourself what features you need.

Work out what you're going to be protecting, then work out how much it would cost you to replace it. There's your budget. It's pointless spending $1000 on a safe to protect a $100 asset. Cheaper to just buy another one if it gets stolen.

There's usually a direct proportional relationship between security and cost. THe more expensive it is, the better the security. The cheaper it is, the easier it'll be to break into or steal. You need to work out at what point along the cost / security line you need.

That makes sense.. but it also doesnt... :pinch:

Say I wish to protect a $100 asset and purchase a $100 safe ...I then dont have $100 to put in safe! !! :Pokey:

[ManDownUnder]

Consider a gun safe off trademe. I got one and they're brilliant. Cheap enough, large, and can be bolted down etc.

Not fire rated, but then they're cheap enough - did I mention agood price?

I'll try to find details for you if you want (they're $50 cheaper in person)

[Romeo]

Does anyone see the irony in having a "Fire Proof" "Waco" safe? Anyways, I don't think I have a need for a safe, so consider a Pull marketing strategy where you inform people of all the reasons they need one - then they'll come to you.

[Holy Roller]

Depending on what one needs to secure depends on the type and size. Different safes have a rateing level of how much $ wise one can store in them for insurance purposes.

[kave]

Consider renting one. Safety deposit boxes can be rented in a range of sizes, starting at about $140 a year for 80mm * 120mm * 5100mm deep. Plus there is the added safety of your valuables being in a different building, and a multi million dollar security system.

[Swoop]

"Example #1" the fireproof WACO....

Don't touch this.

Give me a sledge hammer and in 10 seconds it will be empty...:whistle:

Get an old coin safe that the banks used to use. 10mm steel and about the same size as a small filing cabinet.
There was a place on Barrys Point Rd that used to sell them. A big warehouse building on the left (as you head down the road towards the motorway) which was full of second hand safes.

[dino3310]

browning make some brilliant safes (fire proof,bullet proof etc) most gun shops have the catalog.some locksmith shops haves safes and advice.

[Disco Dan]

What makes a safe:

Bulletproof?
Hacksaw proof?
Crowbar proof?
etc etc

[Ocean1]

What makes a safe:

Bulletproof?
Hacksaw proof?
Crowbar proof?
etc etc

Being impossible to find. Seriously, bury it in the floor in a closet or somat. Less exposed to fire there also, particularly in a concrete pad. Anything can be broken given the right tools and time but there's a reasonable limit to what even a pro will bother to attempt in a domestic safe. If it's more than 6 or 8mm plate it's going to take a gas set and they'll probably walk away, if it can't be lifted they won't take it with them.

As a matter of interest they used to construct high-end safes with multiple sheets of rusty steel laminated into the case. This makes it difficult for both oxy torches and thermal lances to penetrate. They also had layers of silicon carbide or similar to discourage edge cutting tools. I think the age of the professional safe cracker is long gone though, the technology eventually beat them.