Teaching my flatmate how to ride.... she binned

[fireball]

was teaching my flattie tonight how to ride and she binned it....

broken mirror
cracked rear faring
smashed the front faring
bent gear lever
snapped clutch

she said she will pay for all damage is it fair to make her pay?
and where can i get new parts for my damaged bike?


and cheers to the biker who picked her up off the side of the road! she is fine her ego is a little dented but she still wants to learn to ride! :woohoo:

[Str8 Jacket]

Ahhh chick, that sux! Especially cause you were trying to help someone out, unfortunately that is the risk you take :(

I hope you get things sorted fast!

[NighthawkNZ]

was teaching my flattie tonight how to ride and she binned it....

broken mirror
cracked rear faring
smashed the front faring
bent gear lever
snapped clutch

she said she will pay for all damage is it fair to make her pay?
and where can i get new parts for my damaged bike?


and cheers to the biker who picked her up off the side of the road! she is fine her ego is a little dented but she still wants to learn to ride! :woohoo:

If she is willing to pay... let her, but if I was you I would also pay some... mainly because well its your responsibility you knew shes a learner no experience etc. but that is the risk you take.. maybe go halfs (look for cheap second hand parts)

The damage doesn't sound to bad unless you want to get the fair fully fixed again (I personally would worry about the crack in the rear errr I mean the rear fairing crack ;) ) as for the front how bad is smashed...

mirror, clutch etc got to a biker wrecker to see what they have etc may get it cheaper...

[mdooher]

Well I would suggest that you may have erred in teaching her to ride where and how you did. You really should have used an empty car park or sent her on an handling skills course.

IMHO you as the teacher are responsible or the damage to the bike.:Oops:

[R6_kid]

post some pics?

Levers are about $40 a pop, depending where you get them from, mirror shouldnt be more than $80 but i've heard FXR ones from suzuki are a ripoff... maybe ask some of the bucket racers if they have any for sale.

Use a bit of force to bend the gear lever back, assuming its the lever and not the rearset.

Fairings can be plastic welded if you want to go that far.

[Xile]

Hey fireball,
From my experience ...*ahem*...when you crash someone's else bike, who just lend it to you kindly, you just really want to pay for it.
It is not your bike but you are responsible for the damage!

only my 0.00002 cts ;)
Cheers

[EJK]

Ah is that why you missed out tonights Wednesday ride? oh..

well, tonght we kinda learned "Half-cheek-knee-down" technique lol

P.S. there are lots of FXR parts on sale on Trademe I believe

[discotex]

she is fine her ego is a little dented but she still wants to learn to ride! :woohoo:

:crybaby: poor wee bike. Great your flatmate hasn't been put off!

Don't know how I'd deal with the cost of repairs in that situation. If I let someone ride my bike or I ride someone else's it's on a "you drop it you pay for it" basis but if I was teaching someone I'd feel like it was partially my responsibility.

I'm sure you'll work something out between you. Hopefully it's not too expensive to fix.

[terbang]

was teaching my flattie tonight how to ride and she binned it....

and cheers to the biker who picked her up off the side of the road! she is fine her ego is a little dented but she still wants to learn to ride! :woohoo:

Dont do it on a road, try a carpark or perhaps in a paddock (on an old traillie). Generally its 'if you bend it, you mend it' when riding someone else's bike but in this case, being a complete newbie, I think she isn't that responsible for the damage.




well, tonght we kinda learned "Half-cheek-knee-down" technique lol



Only on presumtion, and I will be corrected if I am wrong, your profile tends toward a relatively new road rider. Perhaps knee down, or anything like it at this stage, unless you are specifically learning to ride the track, is a little prematuire.

[McJim]

Mirrors are the same as RG150 ones I think. I smashed one of those on my wife's bike - $130 for a new one - went to Cycletreads and got some aftermarket ones for $25 each - much bigger and better quality than the OEM ones. Measure the distance between the pins and get ones that mathc this.

New levers from cycletreads are reasonable too.

Gear lever needs removed, stuck in a vice, apple a little heat and bend back into shape.

Fairings? Probably panel & paint shop for some plastic welding - that'll be your biggest ticket item.

[Winter]

Gear lever needs removed, stuck in a vice, apple a little heat and bend back into shape.



Be very careful letting McJim do this... ;)

[Mental Trousers]

If she is willing to pay... let her, but if I was you I would also pay some... mainly because well its your responsibility you knew shes a learner no experience etc. but that is the risk you take.. maybe go halfs (look for cheap second hand parts)

What he said. Most people who let others ride their bike do so on a you break it you fix it basis. So you could make her pay for the lot. But I wouldn't. I'd get her pay for at least 1/2 and pick up the rest as I'd know the risks of lending my bike out.

[fireball]

looking at getting a quote to fix first...
if its more than a grand to fix well its for sale as is where is make a good bucket racer!

will post some pics of damage so you can get an idea ....

my flattie knows how to ride she just was a little rusty wanted some practice it was just one of those things i guess wrong place at the wrong time

[McJim]

Be very careful letting McJim do this... ;)

Gear lever is made of steel - your brake lever was made of papier mache :rofl:

[fireball]

a little worse for wear

[avgas]

Leave all broken stuff on that doesn't need urgent replacing, and tell her she can pay you back after she has finished 5 more lessons.
When she has finished enough lessons to sit her basic handling then she can pay you back and you will get the bike fixed, and she will get her license.

[mstriumph]

sorry about your bike - that sucks

my 2c ............if i broke someone's anything, i'd feel i had to fix it ......... wouldn't feel right about it if i didn't - and certainly wouldn't feel i could ask to borrow it again

you might be doing her a favour by letting her fix it, as offered?

[Macktheknife]

Good manners says if she borrowed it to practice on, she pays for the damage.
If you were teaching her to ride, as you first posted, then I would say 50/50.

Good luck getting it sorted though.

[fireball]

yeah we were talking about it today at work (we work together in a 3m by 5m box:hug:) and we have concluded to go get a quote to see how much its going to cost to fix and if its alot (over a grand) she will pay that price towards me getting a new bike! :clap:

i felt bad, she felt bad, but we both felt better after a few drinks! looking at my bike hurt less when i was drunk!

[doc]

yeah we were talking about it today at work (we work together in a 3m by 5m box:hug:) and we have concluded to go get a quote to see how much its going to cost to fix and if its alot (over a grand) she will pay that price towards me getting a new bike! :clap:

i felt bad, she felt bad, but we both felt better after a few drinks! looking at my bike hurt less when i was drunk!
So how much is it going to cost you to get a leg over "You know what I mean"

[Blondini]

Poor FXR:nono::bash:..If I crashed or damaged ANYTHING of anyones I would replace it..:sunny:

[fireball]

Poor FXR:nono::bash:..If I crashed or damaged ANYTHING of anyones I would replace it..:sunny:

now your fxr is the better of 2 evils :lol:

[klingon]

yeah we were talking about it today at work (we work together in a 3m by 5m box:hug:) and we have concluded to go get a quote to see how much its going to cost to fix and if its alot (over a grand) she will pay that price towards me getting a new bike! :clap:

i felt bad, she felt bad, but we both felt better after a few drinks! looking at my bike hurt less when i was drunk!

She's your flatmate and you also work together in a 3m x 5m box and you also lent her your bike to practise on?! You really are close! The most important thing here is to keep your friendship intact!! :hug::yes:

[LilSel]

You've got mine for as long as it takes to get fxxr fixed/replaced :love:
(just have to come pillion with me when I wanna ride!)

(no lessons for flattie on my baby tho lol!)

[90s]

Here's my 2 cents then:

First I take it that she binned your bike and not her own.

Is it fair to make her pay for that?

I would say no.

As an inexperienced rider should you be teaching others to ride in any case? If so, this is on a 'your risk' basis. Unless you have insurance to cover for learners to ride on your bike (which you will not have) then insurance cover is out too (oh - there is always fraud if you are comhrehensive - but I would not go there ... )

The one exception to you taking full responsibility for you to lend your bike to someone without the skills, experience etc. to handle it would be this:

In advance you had a frank discussion outlining that any damage would be at their expense.

If this conversation did not happen (except maybe inside your head) then its your issue and you need to deal with it.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but if this came up before me for arbitration this is the way it would go.

[fireball]

cheers for all your input...

bike is in at colemans getting quoted up will know later this week how the cost is going to go....

watch this space...

[breakaway]

Places like that will quote you over $9000 to fix, because they will use brand new genuine parts. What you need to do is ring wreckers, look on trademe etc, and you will get it back the way it was for under $300. I was quite surprised at how cheap parts were when I lowsided my bike off a bank and had to replace the screen, rear panels, subframe, etc.

I had to replace the following:

Speedo cable $20
Seat Latch: $30
Tail Piece: $30
Postage: $5

Rear Panels (Gold): $50
Subframe: $20
Tail Light: $20
Postage: $12

Screen: $35 incl shipping

So total that's $222.

[Mole_C]

Just get her to pay for a pair of after market mirrors and clutch ($100 all up), bend the gear lever back and get her to throw u a bit for the devaluation of fairings. They don't look that bad anyway

[HungusMaximist]

The question is, how did she bin?

What caused it exactly?

[fireball]

The question is, how did she bin?

What caused it exactly?

from what i understand she was going down the road (gentle downhill slope) was doing about 50 to 60 kmph went to take a left turn into another road and hit a raised bit of seal got a fright and jammed on the front break

just bad luck i guess

[fireball]

an update on the bike

rang colemans they have had the FXR since friday last week and have only just had a chance to look at it today and i wont have a quote for it until at least tuesday next week, dont mind the delay as i have the ZZR to play with

so keep watching


:scooter:

[LilSel]

:pinch:..........Tuesday......

Your gonna wanna sell ya fxxr once back after being on me kawka :p

[LilSel]

Soooo.... fxxr still in the shop...

Fireball killed my ZZR today... :laugh: I just got back to work from picking it up in the van n seeing it off to my mechanic.

I think what was most amusing for me was the fact that I have never ever had any issues mechanically with it... got to the shore to pick it up n I tried starting it... started first pop... (didnt sound nasty or anything but must've been a reason for her breaking down so still off to mechanic she goes for service n checkup :doctor:)... however FB tried n she just didnt wanna go :laugh:... selective bike?? or maybe I just have the magic touch?! hehe...

Not having much luck lately aye honey!!?!... least ya didnt drop her or anything... then I would've shed a wee tear im sure lol!

[fireball]

Its not fair!!!! :crybaby:

all i wanted to do today is go for a nice ride after work and it bungs out on me im having withdrawals there is no bike parked outside like there should be and im stuck at home.....


at least the thunder and lighting is pretty :sunny:

[Stickchick]

Dam chick!!!! What is it with you and bikes?

[fireball]

Dam chick!!!! What is it with you and bikes?

the bike knows im loyal to suzuki.... so told me to get the fuck off and packed a sad

[LilSel]

Dam chick!!!!

That's what I was thinking lol

[LilSel]

Well my bike is at my mechanics... is getting a new battery today along with service (oil change/filter), tune up etc and so on

Mechanic said his first thought when starting her was the battery was almost poked. Will check everything else but he is confident that it was just being tempremental yesterday n must not like fb much lol!!

Glad to hear that its nothing much tho :D <-- *whew*

[NighthawkNZ]

Well my bike is at my mechanics... is getting a new battery today along with service (oil change/filter), tune up etc and so on

Mechanic said his first thought when starting her was the battery was almost poked. Will check everything else but he is confident that it was just being tempremental yesterday n must not like fb much lol!!


You will be supprise what a new battery can fix... :Pokey:

[blue_eyez]

Its not fair!!!! :crybaby:

all i wanted to do today is go for a nice ride after work and it bungs out on me im having withdrawals there is no bike parked outside like there should be and im stuck at home.....


at least the thunder and lighting is pretty :sunny:

Dam girl when you txt me & all you said was 'i killed the zzr' i almost had a heart attack.... lucky i spoke to your girl before that or else i am sure that i would have fallen off me chair and that would have been embarrassing :lol:

Glad to hear that there is nothing that seems to be mechanically wrong with her girlies, that would've sucked a big one.... :buggerd:

[LilSel]

Dam girl when you txt me & all you said was 'i killed the zzr' i almost had a heart attack.... lucky i spoke to your girl before that or else i am sure that i would have fallen off me chair and that would have been embarrassing :lol:

Glad to hear that there is nothing that seems to be mechanically wrong with her girlies, that would've sucked a big one.... :buggerd:

You think you almost had a heart attack??... I was like omg... no way!! :crazy:...

isnt a major anyhow so all good *whew*

[LilSel]

You will be supprise what a new battery can fix... :Pokey:

really??... I didnt think there was anything wrong with the one in it, but then it is at least a few years old... I've had the zzr for awhile n hadnt replaced it so was due I guess.

When it broke down, FB was at some lights n it lost revs n stalled.
She couldnt get it started again, tried a couple of times like half n hour later but to no avail... then then I got there about an hour later... I tried... n she started for me lol

[fireball]

quote for bike......

just under $2500 all parts are in new zealand to my surprise but im not paying that just get "legal requirements" fixed and flick the bike

its just going to be time consuming to find the parts i require URRGH

[LilSel]

quote for bike......

just under $2500 all parts are in new zealand to my surprise but im not paying that just get "legal requirements" fixed and flick the bike

its just going to be time consuming to find the parts i require URRGH

oh crap!!!... that sucks!!!

[crazefox]

Hey give me a pm i can fix all broken parts and paint the bike for you for 1000 bucks

[fireball]

just to get the bike to WOF standards is $1110 bloody hell

new fairing
new mirror
new clutch lever

thats expensive just for a bit of plastic god i hope i can find second hand parts for my beast

[jrandom]

You need a new fairing to get a WOF? That doesn't sound right. Have you investigated plastic welding?

You can buy mirrors at Cycletreads for about $30, and I can't imagine a clutch lever being much more than $100 or so, tops.

Still, I guess them's the breaks when one is training uninsured learners on one's bike, etc.

Are you planning on selling the bike immediately, or continuing to ride it for a while?

Mmmm, corned beef with mustard cream sauce...

[fireball]

You need a new fairing to get a WOF? That doesn't sound right. Have you investigated plastic welding?

You can buy mirrors at Cycletreads for about $30, and I can't imagine a clutch lever being much more than $100 or so, tops.

Still, I guess them's the breaks when one is training uninsured learners on one's bike, etc.

Are you planning on selling the bike immediately, or continuing to ride it for a while?

Mmmm, corned beef with mustard cream sauce...

the bike is sold my flatmate bought it i am now bikeless you could say but ive got LilSels till i buy a new bike the plastic cant be welded as its bent right over onto the digital display. if i try heat and rebend it to weld it, it will snap right off so have to replace that whole piece and its the whole left fairing not just a little piece

altho anyone is welcome to come over and check it out if they can fix it id be really greatful and you will be rewarded for your efforts (box of beer or something)

you are lucky i can cook lol mmmm corned beef tonight!

[Busy]

Can you post a pic of the bend, you might be able to heat it with a hair dryer (panel beaters trick) and use a steel plate to cool/shape it

[fireball]

this is the bend... my main concern is the black part the fairing bolts onto.........

(also see pic one from the first page it shows how far its bent)

[jrandom]

you are lucky i can cook...

:lol:

And maybe, one day, I'll find out whether that's the case...

[fireball]

:lol:

And maybe, one day, I'll find out whether that's the case...

yes thanks for dinner last night :2thumbsup

maybe when im not so sick ill cook for you

[LilSel]

Still, I guess them's the breaks when one lends their uninsured bike to an unlicenced person...


oh :shit:... :doh:... :confused::stupid:

[LilSel]

Dam chick!!!! What is it with you and bikes?

latest=dropped it :pinch: lol... I can only laugh... otherwise I'd cry...

[Stickchick]

latest=dropped it :pinch: lol... I can only laugh... otherwise I'd cry...

She's ok though right? Hopefully not much damage done to either the bike or her

[jrandom]

latest=dropped it :pinch: lol... I can only laugh... otherwise I'd cry...

Oh dear.

I'm starting to think that the little one is not in a fit state to be riding motorcycles at the moment...

[LilSel]

She's ok though right? Hopefully not much damage done to either the bike or her

oh yeah shes fine, no injury... just dropped it in the driveway from standstill. no damage *whew*...

[LilSel]

I'm starting to think that the little one is not in a fit state to be riding motorcycles at the moment...

mmmmm.... worries me a tad... not just cuz its my bike but cuz I loves her n cares bout her

[Grahameeboy]

Oh dear.

I'm starting to think that the little one is not in a fit state to be riding motorcycles at the moment...

Geeze what was that sauce you made last nite:buggerd:

[LilSel]

Geeze what was that sauce you made last nite:buggerd:

*Shrugs*... I dont know.... but got it all over my pants!!....

[Grahameeboy]

*Shrugs*... I dont know.... but got it all over my pants!!....

You sure it was sauce:innocent:

[LilSel]

You sure it was sauce:innocent:

I hope so... :crazy:

[Grahameeboy]

I hope so... :crazy:

Mmm..........me thinks I may stop washing Dan's smalls for him from now on...........:shit:

[LilSel]

Mmm..........me thinks I may stop washing Dan's smalls for him from now on...........:shit:

no no... dont stop doing that... someones gotta :yes:

[scracha]

is it fair to make her pay?

Naw. You're the instructor. Teaching learners on a faired bike with no crash protection is just stupid.

[Grahameeboy]

no no... dont stop doing that... someones gotta :yes:

Eek...I may have to review the rent then..........I knew he came with baggage but didn't realise he came with a reputation

[Grahameeboy]

Naw. You're the instructor. Teaching learners on a faired bike with no crash protection is just stupid.

That's a bit tuff..........

[Stickchick]

Eek...I may have to review the rent then..........I knew he came with baggage but didn't realise he came with a reputation

Reputation? I don;t know of any reputation.....mmmmm I feel you may stories to tell me when I visit :yes:

[Grahameeboy]

Reputation? I don;t know of any reputation.....mmmmm I feel you may stories to tell me when I visit :yes:

His reputation, going by his laundry appears to be full of shit..............thank God for nappiesan and top loaders!!

[Stickchick]

His reputation, going by his laundry appears to be full of shit..............thank God for nappiesan and top loaders!!

Better you than me is all I can say

[Grahameeboy]

Better you than me is all I can say

Well I am well experience in dealing with Nats poo issues so the old saying that "shit sticks" is most true.................but if he gets bad then I may have to refer him to
http://www.conni.co.nz/conni_undergarments/conni_undergarments_default.aspx

[Stickchick]

Well I am well experience in dealing with Nats poo issues so the old saying that "shit sticks" is most true.................but if he gets bad then I may have to refer him to
http://www.conni.co.nz/conni_undergarments/conni_undergarments_default.aspx

Well Christmas is coming so maybe thats one present idea done.....Bling sent :lol::clap:

[jrandom]

You are all very mean to me.

[Grahameeboy]

Well Christmas is coming so maybe thats one present idea done.....Bling sent :lol::clap:

True but Christmas mas be too long to wait eh?

[fireball]

You are all very mean to me.
oh come ere ill kiss you better and scare away the meanies!

i have decided on my own accord i am not fit enough to be riding either this being sick thing takes it out of you but hey with my job its all good finish at 10 back home to bed to sleep and i just got up now and ill be back in bed by 10 tonight too!

[fireball]

FXR is home now and its running like poo:crazy:
couldnt even get it over 102ks down the motorway (strong head on wind)
very grumpy about it all and its a crapper to ride now too light and small

going to start repairs on it heat gun and rebending and so on