07 zx6r $14995

[ninjac]

Now that is good value. Cheapest 600SS buy a long way.

[Wasp]

kinda degrades the price on my '02 doesn't it :(

[SVboy]

Sorry Boys Suzi gsxr-$13995! How could you say no!

[ninjac]

Ah! Suzuki site says $16295.

[owner]

I got my 06 honda 600 brand new for $12000.
Props Wild Wild West

[cowpoos]

Ah! Suzuki site says $16295.
summer fest prices have drop the price of the GSX-R range dude!

[Pussy]

summer fest prices have drop the price of the GSX-R range dude!
Yep, even the already owned ones. I wonder how the new K7 owners are feeling after shelling out $21,000.00 for their new thous, to have SNZ drop the arse out of the price to $18,000.00? Probably alright if you are a first time Suzuki buyer with no trade, but they've got you by the goolies if you are a regular/loyal buyer

[boomer]

its like anything else in life.. you can wait and get a better deal or buy now and pay the price; shit happens and if losing money is a concern then you definitely don't want to buy new fullstop. What gets on my nellies is this just highlights the markup on EVERYTHING we as consumers have to swallow..


got ya PM Pussy churr, i'll mull it over .. the price might drop .. tehehehehehe :2thumbsup

[Robert Taylor]

its like anything else in life.. you can wait and get a better deal or buy now and pay the price; shit happens and if losing money is a concern then you definitely don't want to buy new fullstop. What gets on my nellies is this just highlights the markup on EVERYTHING we as consumers have to swallow..


got ya PM Pussy churr, i'll mull it over .. the price might drop .. tehehehehehe :2thumbsup

I beg to differ about margins, while some products have good margins many simply do not. Given the cost of even opening ones doors, compliance fees to this, compliance to that etc etc many retailers of many products are very much NOT getting rich. I think there needs to be a reasonable balance. A fair and reasonable return for what you do as long as in turn you do it well. Anyone doing dodgy deals should be jumped on big time. And a fair taxation system that didnt rob middle NZ blind would be great as well.

I think that ordinary everyday New Zealanders have simply become serfs to many and varied political and ''big box'' retailing agendas. We can all find common ground in that statement.

[Pussy]

I'll bet the dealers that bought in bikes before the price drop will be a bit miffed too.

[FkNAmerican]

I suppose now is the time for me to rub in the fact that brand new K7 GSXR 600's are selling for as little as $ 7,500 out the door (tax, tags, doc fee's, etc included) here in the states. You cant always get the color you want for that price.....but who is gonna bitch for $7,500 right?? Not me.

I think at current exchange rates that translates into $10,515 New Zealand Dollars. You guys sure do pay a premium if $14,995 is a great deal on a 600!!!!!

I still cant believe what you Kiwi's are forced to pay for your motorcycles.

Hmm, lets see here. A Ducati 1098S has an MSRP of $19,995 (which means you can find it cheaper if you look hard enough) here in the U.S. That means, adjusted for exchange rates it would cost you $28,035 NZD plus add more because its NZ. So Im guessing you would be hard pressed to find a Ducati 1098S for under $30 grand NZ. Damn. So I guess you would prolly pay around $35 grand b/c its such a piece of exotica???

Jesus, I dont even wanna know what you'd have to pay for a 1098S tricolor or an Mv Agusta F4 312.

Here is a question: Are there any MV Agusta F4 CC's in NZ???

[FkNAmerican]

Oh but hey, on the good side for you Kiwi's: America ALWAYS gets screwed on the color options. The Euro-spec colors (which I assume you get) are almost always SOOOO much nicer then the shit we get in the US.

Perfect example: Yamaha just released the new 08 colors for the R-6/R-1. Compare and be amazed at how badly we get shafted in the States by the shit colors they let us have.

[Coyote]

Oh but hey, on the good side for you Kiwi's: America ALWAYS gets screwed on the color options. The Euro-spec colors (which I assume you get) are almost always SOOOO much nicer then the shit we get in the US.

Perfect example: Yamaha just released the new 08 colors for the R-6/R-1. Compare and be amazed at how badly we get shafted in the States by the shit colors they let us have.

I'd rather get the bike several grand cheaper and paint over it with the savings rather than spend the premium to get the nice paintjob that you'd be fretting over hurting since it's original.

So, know any good companies nearby you that can ship bikes to NZ?

[Coyote]

I got my 06 honda 600 brand new for $12000.
Props Wild Wild West
Shit, I didn't know run-out models were so much cheaper. That makes me getting a new 600 almost believable

[Coyote]

I beg to differ about margins, while some products have good margins many simply do not. Given the cost of even opening ones doors, compliance fees to this, compliance to that etc etc many retailers of many products are very much NOT getting rich. I think there needs to be a reasonable balance. A fair and reasonable return for what you do as long as in turn you do it well. Anyone doing dodgy deals should be jumped on big time. And a fair taxation system that didnt rob middle NZ blind would be great as well.

I think that ordinary everyday New Zealanders have simply become serfs to many and varied political and ''big box'' retailing agendas. We can all find common ground in that statement.
You're right, but I don't think it applies to bike stores. TSS started off a few years back selling some old 250s at 250 prices. Now they're selling brand new Aprilias. I think they're making a fair bit of money

[Pussy]

Gassit Girl and myself have bought 11 new Suzukis between us since 1999. In most cases the arse has dropped out of the price a bit further down the track, effectively dropping the value of our bikes. I reckon I may go for the tuning fork emblem or the big K next time

[Robert Taylor]

You're right, but I don't think it applies to bike stores. TSS started off a few years back selling some old 250s at 250 prices. Now they're selling brand new Aprilias. I think they're making a fair bit of money

Perceptions can be very misleading. Relative to how very intense it is running a motorcycle franchise the overall percentage return is in fact very poor. But you will only beleive me if you purchase and run such a business. Over the decades that I have been in this game I have seen an ENORMOUS number of dealers come and go, many believing they were going to set the world on fire and do it better than the ''established wan...s''

I wouldnt also be jumping to hasty conclusions why you can purchase motorcycles cheaper in the States. Economies of scale, freight costs and a whole myriad of other reasons will doubtless justify at least some of the difference.

No wish on my part to get into a protracted forum squabble....but my point is its all too easy to draw quick conclusions.

[boomer]

I beg to differ about margins, while some products have good margins many simply do not. Given the cost of even opening ones doors, compliance fees to this, compliance to that etc etc many retailers of many products are very much NOT getting rich. I think there needs to be a reasonable balance. A fair and reasonable return for what you do as long as in turn you do it well. Anyone doing dodgy deals should be jumped on big time. And a fair taxation system that didnt rob middle NZ blind would be great as well.

I think that ordinary everyday New Zealanders have simply become serfs to many and varied political and ''big box'' retailing agendas. We can all find common ground in that statement.

I grossly over generalised.. which i'm usually only guilty of when talking with the ladies. I get pissed i 'spose when i see shops, retailers etc having sales every other month.. you know that annoying biach on TV for one?


I totally agree with your statement.. "A fair and reasonable return for what you do as long as in turn you do it well." :beer:

[Robert Taylor]

I grossly over generalised.. which i'm usually only guilty of when talking with the ladies. I get pissed i 'spose when i see shops, retailers etc having sales every other month.. you know that annoying biach on TV for one?


I totally agree with your statement.. "A fair and reasonable return for what you do as long as in turn you do it well." :beer:

I think also the ads such as ''massive reductions'' , ''Briscoes 50% off'' etc also colour peoples thinking that all forms of retail enjoy huge margins. On motorcycles the margins have steadily been eroded over the years while at the same time overheads have increased markedly.

I think also the point that Pussy very fairly makes is that on Day 1 you pay a certain price. On day 2 the product is discounted significantly and you have just seen the value in what you purchased eroded heavily. And this actually erodes everyones value, in the end event.

There is merit in the old fashion virtues of price stability, people selling you a product that actually have in depth product knowledge and will back it up fully. Sadly, there are people who will travel to the ends of the earth to save a few pennies without supporting local infrastructure ( if the local infrastructure offers full service )

[Toast]

Perceptions can be very misleading. Relative to how very intense it is running a motorcycle franchise the overall percentage return is in fact very poor. But you will only beleive me if you purchase and run such a business. Over the decades that I have been in this game I have seen an ENORMOUS number of dealers come and go, many believing they were going to set the world on fire and do it better than the ''established wan...s''

I wouldnt also be jumping to hasty conclusions why you can purchase motorcycles cheaper in the States. Economies of scale, freight costs and a whole myriad of other reasons will doubtless justify at least some of the difference.

No wish on my part to get into a protracted forum squabble....but my point is its all too easy to draw quick conclusions.

I agree. I started a part time job for a motorcycle accessories shop. The apparent ROI for the owner from my point of view in the company is feck all. Yet still you get people coming in with the assumption that the makred price is full of fat.

[boomer]

I agree. I started a part time job for a motorcycle accessories shop. The apparent ROI for the owner from my point of view in the company is feck all. Yet still you get people coming in with the assumption that the makred price is full of fat.

in that case they need to move with the times and become operationally efficient ;) :girlfight:

[doc]

Here is a question: Are there any MV Agusta F4 CC's in NZ???
God damit, do believe that a dealer in the Bay area is bringing one in to "little ole Nzed" One of the 10 that have been sold worldwide. They still have 90 in storage at the factory. Even if the Italians with the MV taking the 07 landspeed record at Bonneville last month, us Kiwi's, can improve it. We've given up on the Indians. Have you seen what we can do with a Briggs n Stratton.

[Robert Taylor]

in that case they need to move with the times and become operationally efficient ;) :girlfight:

Sorry boomer your response assumes too much. One of the very biggest frustrations in this day and age is to find suitable staff that are intelligent, have abundant common sense and are highly motivated. Given that the returns are ( most often ) slender so are wage rates. And here in this old colonial outpost our population is still relatively tiny, meaning we cannot truly invoke the meaning of economies of scale.

[boomer]

Sorry boomer your response assumes too much. One of the very biggest frustrations in this day and age is to find suitable staff that are intelligent, have abundant common sense and are highly motivated. Given that the returns are ( most often ) slender so are wage rates. And here in this old colonial outpost our population is still relatively tiny, meaning we cannot truly invoke the meaning of economies of scale.

"Pay peanuts get .... " that being said there are some very motivated and clever people in the industry.. just hard to find and keep i 'spose

I was just stirring the pot Robert; however.. as the saying goes.. many a true word spoken in jest. There will always be ways to find savings and opportunities. As i see it for most bike shops, the middle men aren't helping with costs.. so theres an area to explore as an example.

[ynot slow]

Agree with Robert Taylor about large companies having sales,it wasn't that long ago that Katmandu was prosecuted for false retail pricing on its 50%sale items,most of the time they were less 50%,at sale time they just put different prices on.

In my last job when we had a sale the boss would do similar thing,to go with the nationwide advertising for buying group,some items in brochure would say 50% off,we would mark a couple of items back up say from $375.00(normal margin)to say $475,then for sale reduce to say $235.Happens all the time and not necessarily on sale items,the name of game is to profit from sales to pay staff,so you may get a rep saying buy 10 items from me for $50 instead of $65,you can then sell for $130 and make a few more bucks or sell for $100 and still make profit.The tricky bit is if you can't sell them for whatever reason and then start losing money,each day you have items in stock once paid for is eating into margin,with interest on o/d,wages,power,TAX,etc.Then once you buy the item you find they are being sold in the red shed for example for $75,and either match the price and bottom line erodes,then kck the said rep up arse next time he's back lol.

[slowpoke]

So why are 600's cheaper than thou's in the first place? Or to put it the other way why are thou's more expensive than 600's?

They use virtually the same number and quality of components, same machining fabrication and assembly, the same technology, and are similar in weight. The cost to produce must be virtually identical.

[cowpoos]

So why are 600's cheaper than thou's in the first place? Or to put it the other way why are thou's more expensive than 600's?

They use virtually the same number and quality of components, same machining fabrication and assembly, the same technology, and are similar in weight. The cost to produce must be virtually identical.
stronger components...is the only reason I can think of...like wheels being stronger...and yet still lite...engine internals...but I know where your coming from bro...and its a might fine question to all the motorcycles manifactuers that are always on KB ;)

[Toast]

in that case they need to move with the times and become operationally efficient ;) :girlfight:

Bro I think that everytime I'm keying the same data for the second time that day, when the customers are gone, in to a hopeless legacy inventory system...and that's all I'll say.

[Toast]

Sorry boomer your response assumes too much. One of the very biggest frustrations in this day and age is to find suitable staff that are intelligent, have abundant common sense and are highly motivated. Given that the returns are ( most often ) slender so are wage rates. And here in this old colonial outpost our population is still relatively tiny, meaning we cannot truly invoke the meaning of economies of scale.

Very easy to blame a person's lack of knowledge or intelligence when there's a failure of process, and if you wanna pay low wages you'd better have fool proof processes in proof. What you want is an Ohlins-McDonalds hybrid.

[FkNAmerican]

Im just wondering when the hell we are all gonna see 800's. IMO that would be just about the perfect balance between power and weight. MotoGP is running 800's so Im guessing its only a matter of time before all the big names start offering them up for us mere mortals.

I'll be dreaming of a Zx8R, GSXR800, Ducati "888"???, and YZF R-8 tonight!! :)

[Robert Taylor]

Very easy to blame a person's lack of knowledge or intelligence when there's a failure of process, and if you wanna pay low wages you'd better have fool proof processes in proof. What you want is an Ohlins-McDonalds hybrid.

My own staff are relatively well paid. If business overheads and taxes werent so crippling theyd ( everyone ) would be better off.
I just dont beleive your final sentence. My teenage daughters often drag me into that ''Scottish restaurant'' The last time I was in one I ( loudly ) ticked off one of the young staff members for being openly and verbally disrespectful to his supervisor. Most may have turned a blind eye but I thought bugger it, this isnt right. ( Sorry, off topic )
Highly technical products need technical, well remunerated people to live up to the standard of service expected.

[Sanx]

There is merit in the old fashion virtues of price stability, people selling you a product that actually have in depth product knowledge and will back it up fully.

Which is what Honda have started doing with their cars. Unlike almost evey other major manufacturer, the price you see on the sticker is what you pay. No discounts,freebies or special offers. And this exends to fleet buyers as well; they pay the same price as Joe Public walking off the street.

Upshot is that the second-hand price of the vehicles has increased markedly. The depreciation is much lower than the other mainstream manufacturers. For example, the Honda S2000, which retails for $69,000, still commands around $25,000 even for a seven year-old model. Compare to something like the Falcon XR-8, which retails for $65,000 + options, but you can pick up a 3 year old one with 60,000 on the clock for $26,000 is you shop around - and that's from a dealer.

[ninjac]

I'll be dreaming of a Ducati "888"??? :)
Been done.

[slopster]

I suppose now is the time for me to rub in the fact that brand new K7 GSXR 600's are selling for as little as $ 7,500 out the door (tax, tags, doc fee's, etc included) here in the states. You cant always get the color you want for that price.....but who is gonna bitch for $7,500 right?? Not me.

I think at current exchange rates that translates into $10,515 New Zealand Dollars. You guys sure do pay a premium if $14,995 is a great deal on a 600!!!!!

I still cant believe what you Kiwi's are forced to pay for your motorcycles.



Geez you could fly over there, buy a bike, spend a week doing the touristy stuff and then ship the bike home and it would still be cheaper then buying new here. Just no warranty.

[Quasievil]

Bay City quoted me a new zxr600 2007 model for $13500 so Im thinking thats a bit better than the original post and a new Gixxer

[discotex]

Bay City quoted me a new zxr600 2007 model for $13500 so Im thinking thats a bit better than the original post and a new Gixxer

Holy crap that's a good price. Makes the $13k being asked for '05's look a bit mad eh!

Getting ever so close to my upgrade budget :yes:

Do Bay City have a website?

[nodrog]

Do Bay City have a website?

http://baycitymotorcycles.motorcycletrader.co.nz/

[discotex]

http://baycitymotorcycles.motorcycletrader.co.nz/

Thanks nodrog :)