k7 thou - rear wheel HP?

[boomer]

Wanna take a shot at guessing the hp at the wheel of a k7, stock except for the slip-on racefit growler?

Bike's just been dropped of and i'll post the results on monday...

My guess is 146

[nodrog]

Wanna take a shot at guessing the hp at the wheel of a k7, stock except for the slip-on racefit growler?

Bike's just been dropped of and i'll post the results on monday...

My guess is 146

158.3

farkin 10 farkin blah blah's!

[Mr. Peanut]

159 Unreliable, manky ponys.

[kiwifruit]

i guess 175.6

[Pussy]

I reckon about 163

[robertydog]

Well i reckon about 150

[Scouse]

well I recon its way less than what Suzuki claim in there shiney glossy broshures

[boomer]

well I recon its way less than what Suzuki claim in there shiney glossy broshures

in which case your on parr with everyone elses thought process upto now.. wheres ya guess triumph boy???

[hyobad]

in which case your on parr with everyone elses thought process upto now.. wheres ya guess triumph boy???

send it to wellington motorcycles if you want a high dyno reading...

motor mart a low one

or even better the tss one (fergus guessstimate) very high!!!!

[McJim]

I like snooker (it's the only sport we're good at) so I'll go with 147 at the wheel.

[Mental Trousers]

I'm guessing that boomer has broken the switch for adjusting the mode and it's stuck in C mode. So 102 strangled horsies

[skidMark]

Wanna take a shot at guessing the hp at the wheel of a k7, stock except for the slip-on racefit growler?

Bike's just been dropped of and i'll post the results on monday...

My guess is 146


Dude, it dusnt matter, you cldnt use all the power of a gn250

[boomer]

send it to wellington motorcycles if you want a high dyno reading...

motor mart a low one

or even better the tss one (fergus guessstimate) very high!!!!

so come on.. guestimation time;

and if i wanted to make up numbers i'd pull out my own etcha sketch numbers rather than riding to wellie and back :laugh:

[Scouse]

in which case your on parr with everyone elses thought process upto now.. wheres ya guess triumph boy???My geuss is whatever the broshure says -25 then add 3 for the growler cos your a cheapskate and didnt throw a power comander or tre onboard, if you had of added the power comander and tre I would have added 8 instead of 3

[boomer]

Dude, it dusnt matter, you cldnt use all the power of a gn250

we'll be seeing how many dB's your puttin out soon sunny....

guess and have done with it biach

[boomer]

My geuss is whatever the broshure says -25 then add 3 for the growler cos your a cheapskate and didnt throw a power comander or tre onboard, if you had of added the power comander and tre I would have added 8 instead of 3

doesn't need a power commander.. the clever boy is hooking the bitch up with techanamology and tuning it via that.. bypassing the need to buy a $600 PCIII.... im not as daft as i look ;)

i forgot to add... .. shes gettin tuned as well :spanking:

[Scouse]

Dude, it dusnt matter, you cldnt use all the power of a gn250he was asking people for there opinions not wannabe squids

[BarBender]

177..........

You remembered to switch the bugger to the highest mode before you dropped it off didnt you D?

[terbang]

Oh that was what was wrong with the one I rode in the weekend. It was in 'A' mode. Wouldn't pull a sailor off yer sister. 160 HP...

[cowpoos]

your thou 152.7....and my 812 125hp.... looking forward to monday boomer??...lol ???

[codgyoleracer]

169.6rwhp corrected

[cowpoos]

169.6rwhp corrected
out of interest...it will be on rays dyno.

[boomer]

out of interest...it will be on rays dyno.

yeah my bad, i should have stipulated

The bikes are gettin done on Ray Clees Dyno which is 'different'
They will be tuned with the tekka choona, so no need for a pcIII

and poosies 810 might actually put out some decent rwhp now its not mapped to a seven fiddy

[Scouse]

They will be tuned with the tekka choona, so no need for a pcIIIIs that some sort of punjab gizmo

[boomer]

Is that some sort of punjab gizmo
probably from a different coontry as i don't think every coonts got one of these ;)

although saying that i know Colemans does

[cowpoos]

and poosies 810 might actually put out some decent rwhp now its not mapped to a seven fiddy
its not so much the amount of hp i'm after....its a power curve thats actually ridable...rather than playing guessing games at how the bikes going to react to more throttle...as its not a easy bike to ride...as mr Trash man will happily back up!!

[SPman]

161hp - approx.

[Robert Taylor]

Wanna take a shot at guessing the hp at the wheel of a k7, stock except for the slip-on racefit growler?

Bike's just been dropped of and i'll post the results on monday...

My guess is 146

Enough to require a TTX36 rear to allow it to stop spinning and hook up sooner..............anyway, 163 bhp with the dyno's air temperature sensor placed in a neutral postion.

[boomer]

Enough to require a TTX36 rear to allow it to stop spinning and hook up sooner..............anyway, 163 bhp with the dyno's air temperature sensor placed in a neutral postion.

'tis funny... im usually quite impulsive when i buy but for some reason on the springs and shocks it hasnt happened YET ... i may be knocking on your door yet..Sir!

[Pussy]

Correction for your grammar, Boomer. It's not "seven fiddy", the correct pronunciation is "Sem fiddy". FYI

[cowpoos]

Enough to require a TTX36 rear to allow it to stop spinning and hook up sooner..............anyway, .

care to explain how a TTX36 rear will stop Boomer spinning about his riding abilities and hook up sooner?? because if it works....Drew would be the best candidate for one of these amazing devices!! I might even buy him one!!! lol :msn-wink:

[doc]

Wanna take a shot at guessing the hp at the wheel of a k7, stock except for the slip-on racefit growler?

Bike's just been dropped of and i'll post the results on monday...

My guess is 146
What sort of dyno are you getting it done on ? I understand that to get the true hp you need to get it done on a Brake Dyno, Inertia dynos add stuff to the figures. Don't think there are many brake dynos in NZ.

[cowpoos]

What sort of dyno are you getting it done on ? I understand that to get the true hp you need to get it done on a Brake Dyno, Inertia dynos add stuff to the figures. Don't think there are many brake dynos in NZ.
a factory pro dyno...one of them real ones ;) [google it]

[The Pastor]

my guess is 155 back wheel horse power.

[cowpoos]

my guess is 155 back wheel horse power.
well its not like its going to be front wheel horse power now is it?? ya goose!

[imdying]

Is that some sort of punjab gizmoIt's a crude tuning device (in comparison to a PCIII) that adjust large areas of the map at once, and is used by Suzuki dealers and some tuners to somewhat fix the emissions restrictions in the factory map. Compared to a PCIII they have little precision, but they're quite cheap to buy (less than two PCIIIs), and even cheaper to tune (cause there's fuck all adjustment in them) bikes with. Had them use one on my bike to correct the off idle stumble due to ghey hole in the map due to emissions regulations... it might be crude, but if you're not fussy, it'll do the job alright.

[cowpoos]

It's a crude tuning device (in comparison to a PCIII) that adjust large areas of the map at once, and is used by Suzuki dealers and some tuners to somewhat fix the emissions restrictions in the factory map. Compared to a PCIII they have little precision, but they're quite cheap to buy (less than two PCIIIs), and even cheaper to tune (cause there's fuck all adjustment in them) bikes with. Had them use one on my bike to correct the off idle stumble due to ghey hole in the map due to emissions regulations... it might be crude, but if you're not fussy, it'll do the job alright.
well actually...what you have said is semi true but not really...its has the ability to tune throttle opening alot better than a PC with more precision infact!!!...but not as good a cross section on rpm...it can add and take more fuel away than a PC...PC also can cause ignition scatter when use to adjust the ignition curve as well...which in effect lenghens the ignition pulse...which looses the precisness... ultimatly...and yoshi,YEC,kawasaki race,HRC kit type ecu replacments are the best...and are used on all the top bikes!

[imdying]

Yeah... it's also worth noting that more complicated isn't always a good thing... without someone who knows there shit, you're less likely to get the fully benefit anyway. The world is never black and white eh :)

[saul]

Wanna take a shot at guessing the hp at the wheel of a k7, stock except for the slip-on racefit growler?

Bike's just been dropped of and i'll post the results on monday...

My guess is 146


Your'e having a laugh mate, the poulan has just about got that at the rear wheel:girlfight::banana:

[boomer]

Yeah... it's also worth noting that more complicated isn't always a good thing... without someone who knows there shit, you're less likely to get the fully benefit anyway. The world is never black and white eh :)

Well i figured the guy building the cream of the crop bikes in NZ might just know what hes doin ... what u rekon ?!


Your'e having a laugh mate, the poulan has just about got that at the rear wheel:girlfight::banana:

this aint a standard dyno-jet bro, the figures will be true and low

[saul]

Well i figured the guy building the cream of the crop bikes in NZ might just know what hes doin ... what u rekon ?!



this aint a standard dyno-jet bro, the figures will be true and low


Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo:clap::drool: See how she goes next weekend mate will be brilliant:hug:

[orangeback]

177 rwhp :done::headbang:

[boomer]

177..........

You remembered to switch the bugger to the highest mode before you dropped it off didnt you D?

i soldered it to 'C' mode bro.. no switchin for me anymore :yeah:



Oh that was what was wrong with the one I rode in the weekend. It was in 'A' mode. Wouldn't pull a sailor off yer sister. 160 HP...

apparantly 'A' modes the fast mode.. best grow me some balls if you think its gutless


your thou 152.7....and my 812 125hp.... looking forward to monday boomer??...lol ???

hell yeah, and hes gonna take a look see with and without baffle.

i think my ghey honduh use to put about 125hp out bro :dodge:


I'm guessing that boomer has broken the switch for adjusting the mode and it's stuck in C mode. So 102 strangled horsies

aint broken if you made it that way bro ;)


161hp - approx.

+/- 5% ?

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo:clap::drool: See how she goes next weekend mate will be brilliant:hug:


hope so... im so not looking forward to getting up at silly O'clock tho.

[Robert Taylor]

Correction for your grammar, Boomer. It's not "seven fiddy", the correct pronunciation is "Sem fiddy". FYI

Seven fifty to use correct English prior to it being bastardised by many and sundry. We have a Union Jack in the corner of our flag signifying the roots of most of us. Long may it stay there and not be denegrated by poor application of the English language!

[boomer]

So far....


Boomer 146
Gordie 158.3
Fumeux 159.6
fruity baby 175
Pussy 163
Robertydog 150
zrxer e=Mc fookin squared
McJimmy 147
MT 102
BarBender 177
terbang 160
Poos 152.7.
codgyoleracer 169.6
SPman 161hp - approx.
R Taylor 163 bhp
Fastest Medic in town 156 hp
renegade master 155
orangeback 177

highest
177 - orangeback & B/Bender

Lowest
mental pants - 102

Average ( Not withstanding my maths and zxrers equation...)
157.19

No more entries for 'prize Idjiot' please.. we have our winners..

Congratulations goes to .. Mark & imdying

[Steam]

....We have a Union Jack in the corner of our flag ... not be denegrated by poor application of the English language!

Isn't it only the Union Jack when flown at sea? You must try harder when using English. And isn't denegrated properly spelled denigrated?

[Robert Taylor]

care to explain how a TTX36 rear will stop Boomer spinning about his riding abilities and hook up sooner?? because if it works....Drew would be the best candidate for one of these amazing devices!! I might even buy him one!!! lol :msn-wink:

Funny, I hadnt thought that a TTX36 could also do a double act as a rather expensive gob stopper!!!

[Robert Taylor]

Isn't it only the Union Jack when flown at sea? You must try harder when using English. And isn't denegrated properly spelled denigrated?

You win the prize for spotting my delEbErate misuse of the Queens English. But isnt the Union Jack such a pretty flag.

[Pussy]

Seven fifty to use correct English prior to it being bastardised by many and sundry. We have a Union Jack in the corner of our flag signifying the roots of most of us. Long may it stay there and not be denegrated by poor application of the English language!

Pfffftttt!! Next you're going to tell me the super sport bikes aren't six hundys

[Coldrider]

167 hp at back wheel.

[Robert Taylor]

Pfffftttt!! Next you're going to tell me the super sport bikes aren't six hundys

Absolutely, and Helen Clark has a perfect set of dentures, her pledge card indicated that, even though other images indicate she ( ? ) is akin to a vampire . And Noriyuki Haga was bought up on a farm in TIHAPPY , used to race Simon Crafer on old YAMMY, sorry YAMAHA AG ONE HUNDREDS. They were the dogs borrocks at the time.

[Pussy]

Absolutely, and Helen Clark has a perfect set of dentures, her pledge card indicated that, even though other images indicate she ( ? ) is akin to a vampire . And Noriyuki Haga was bought up on a farm in TIHAPPY , used to race Simon Crafer on old YAMMY, sorry YAMAHA AG ONE HUNDREDS. They were the dogs borrocks at the time.

Your love for Helen Clark, whilst it's your choice, needn't be displayed on a public forum. Aint nuffink rong with my english, apart from my mild fucken case of tourette's syndrome

[Robert Taylor]

Your love for Helen Clark, whilst it's your choice, needn't be displayed on a public forum. Aint nuffink rong with my english, apart from my mild fucken case of tourette's syndrome

Thats Engrish, you sirry plick.

[boomer]

Leong will be along shortly, he'll sort your orders out... who ordered #52?

In the meantime.. Robert.. let me trial one of these TTX's out for a while and I'll let ya know if Sam and Jimmy are equipped with the right tools for the job as recompense :wari:

[slowpoke]

It'll be interesting to see the comparison between 2 totally different approaches to going as fast as ferkin' possible: a relatively understressed virtually stock big bore vs a smaller capacity with it's scrotum strung tighter than a banjo string. For those of us with over active sphincter muscles (mere mortals) I wonder which would be easier to ride quick.....

I reckon the before and after curves are more interesting than the almost random number's various dyno's come up with....but then curves are much harder to describe down at the pub, eh? It shits me that there is such a variance between different dyno's...it seriously cannot be that hard to calibrate them to a known standard.

I'm a bit disturbed/intrigued that Robert Taylor reckon's he can help to get Boomer "hooked up"....I didn't think he ran that sort of business....

[Robert Taylor]

Leong will be along shortly, he'll sort your orders out... who ordered #52?

In the meantime.. Robert.. let me trial one of these TTX's out for a while and I'll let ya know if Sam and Jimmy are equipped with the right tools for the job as recompense :wari:

And I thought youd rush to buy one in light of my very favourable comments about the great flag from the country of your birth!

[cowpoos]

It'll be interesting to see the comparison between 2 totally different approaches to going as fast as ferkin' possible: a relatively understressed virtually stock big bore vs a smaller capacity with it's scrotum strung tighter than a banjo string. For those of us with over active sphincter muscles (mere mortals) I wonder which would be easier to ride quick.
ask white trash...he's ridden both my bike and his K7 thou race bike in anger...his answer was pretty clear when I asked him!!!

[_intense_]

well it doesnt really matter, cause power is nothin if you cant use it all anyway... :Pokey:
new 'blade looks hotter any way :P

[boomer]

well it doesnt really matter, cause power is nothin if you cant use it all anyway... :Pokey:
new 'blade looks hotter any way :P


well said sir.. i was with ya right up until the 'blade' bit... then i weeeed a bit

[boomer]

And I thought youd rush to buy one in light of my very favourable comments about the great flag from the country of your birth!

I do a good enough job of standing on this pedestal of mine, thank you kind sir.. your kind comments were noted however not required... the shock on the other hand.. i foookin need !!!

[White trash]

new 'blade looks hotter any way :P

That'll be why there'sso many of them at the pointy end of New Zealand Superbike racng.........

[Kickaha]

That'll be why there'sso many of them at the pointy end of New Zealand Superbike racng.........

Thats more to do with who's riding them than anything else

[DMNTD]

My guess... 171rwhp



...who gives a fuk anyway? any more than 140 is all wank factor anyway...
Oh cheers bro...I've got 176rwhp on my ZX10 and know of a ZX14 that just got 179.
Ok I'm off for a good hearty wank but that's sweet as I've got some bike porn to toss over ;)

[roogazza]

If it hasn't got 160 , might have to look at a 10 !!!!! Gaz.

[cowpoos]

Thats more to do with who's riding them than anything else
no....the reason they arn't at the front is, no one in there right mind would spend fucking rediculous amounts of money on HRC shit to make one go fast!! when you can get a kawa or suzi and chuck a pipe and a filter at it and be on the high side of 175 Rwhp from the get go!! shit...the cbr1000rr may actually make a good race bike...but its fucking ugly!

[Robert Taylor]

My guess... 171rwhp



Oh cheers bro...I've got 176rwhp on my ZX10 and know of a ZX14 that just got 179.
Ok I'm off for a good hearty wank but that's sweet as I've got some bike porn to toss over ;)

Thank god you guys arent talking about the size of your wedding tackle!!!!

[limbimtimwim]

Robert...

Have you had too many alcoholic beverages?

[imdying]

Well i figured the guy building the cream of the crop bikes in NZ might just know what hes doin ... what u rekon ?!For sure mate! I'd much rather have someone like him tune my bike with a Teka, than have some yob try and fit my bike with the trickest injection computer out there. Only as good as the man twiddling the knobs :yes:

/edit: I'm going for 175rwhp :yes:

[mogiman]

152.45 ponies +/- 1.5 you did say its stock but with can ?

[TonyB]

The bikes are gettin done on Ray Clees Dyno which is 'different'
They will be tuned with the tekka choona, so no need for a pcIII Comparing the outputs from different types of dyno is always going to throw up odd results. They are just a measuring stick, and to get sensible results you have use the same dyno- not just the same type, but the same dyno. Its a bit like saying 'an inch is the width of a mans index and middle finger'... righto, which man?

If this one reads low, then 150?

[Blackbuell]

Who is this fella Ray Clee ??

[Her_C4]

Sorry chaps - this thread went so far off track that I had difficulty in distinguishing the pure drivel from those pertinent to the thread topic.... I may have taken one or two that were unnecessary :spanking: if thats the case let me know and I will consider putting them back.... :devil2:

On topic now please :spanking: - as you were... :niceone:

[boomer]

Sorry chaps - this thread went so far off track that I had difficulty in distinguishing the pure drivel from those pertinent to the thread topic.... I may have taken one or two that were unnecessary :spanking: if thats the case let me know and I will consider putting them back.... :devil2:

On topic now please :spanking: - as you were... :niceone:

its my thread and i took it of topic...... Frosty has already seen fit to put it in RANT AND RAVE... i haven't complained, being the thread owner, it isn't harming anyone.. so why don't u go do the foookin dishes and mind your own business



meh..

[Joni]

Thread owner??.... alrighty then!

:lol:

[boomer]

Thread owner??.... alrighty then!

:lol:

Almost as funny as being 'site facilitator' huh?:not:

[boomer]

C'mon Joni, let the boy think he owns something darl. His missus gives him enough grief as it is, at least let him live in his fantasy world of owning threads.

:hug:

will you stop tking my fooookin thread of topic..

[Robert Taylor]

Wanna take a shot at guessing the hp at the wheel of a k7, stock except for the slip-on racefit growler?

Bike's just been dropped of and i'll post the results on monday...

My guess is 146

Boomer, if you can pull a very long mono ( on that Suzuki ) with at the same time holding a pork pie in your left hand and also be singing a perfect rendition of ''land of hope and glory'' Ill give you a hot deal on some sexy Swedish suspenders.....

[boomer]

Will i have to eat that Jelly bit in the Pork pie.... :shifty:

* my bad.. u said just holding it.. now to google "Land of hope and glory.." ..oh wait.. i cant wheelie :(

[cowpoos]

Boomer, if you can pull a very long mono ( on that Suzuki ) with at the same time holding a pork pie in your left hand and also be singing a perfect rendition of ''land of hope and glory'' Ill give you a hot deal on some sexy Swedish suspenders.....
okay....if I can do that....what sort of deal will you give me :)

[Brett]

My vote goes to 165 RWHP. Otherwise you must have HONDARISED it.:dodge:

[Robert Taylor]

okay....if I can do that....what sort of deal will you give me :)

With or without lace? As you are a tory and Ive decided I like you a very good deal.

[Robert Taylor]

Will i have to eat that Jelly bit in the Pork pie.... :shifty:

* my bad.. u said just holding it.. now to google "Land of hope and glory.." ..oh wait.. i cant wheelie :(

No I think that would be a little mean. If you can sincerely tell me that your Margaret Thatcher was a great Priminister I think we can strike a very good deal.

[HDTboy]

With or without lace? As you are a tory and Ive decided I like you a very good deal.

Have you seen poos in lace?

It is still poos you're looking at.

[cowpoos]

Sorry chaps - this thread went so far off track that I had difficulty in distinguishing the pure drivel from those pertinent to the thread topic.... I may have taken one or two that were unnecessary :spanking: if thats the case let me know and I will consider putting them back.... :devil2:

On topic now please :spanking: - as you were... :niceone:
WTF????? what are you doing removing harmless post from this thread??? this is a fricking social website...go and delete the frickin cricket thread and the deppression theread...and all that other bullshit before you start messing with harmless banter amoungst dam good friends!! just because its not up to your stanard of comunication amoungst you friends it doesn't mean you have to fuck around with it!!! almost had enough of this bullshit on this site!!! sure...there is no place for flaming and threats and bullshit like that...but what the fuck is wrong with this????

[Robert Taylor]

100% bro, I sincerly hope this is not going to be a trend or the place is fucked for sure.

blingage awarded.

Excepting acts of libel it would be heartening to know that there are still a few avenues available in Helengrad where you can still express yourself freely without fear of persecution. George Orwells book 1984 is now ringing so true.

[cowpoos]

in PD now...nope....this isn't good enough!!! myself and many other senior members have been on this site a long enough time to know shit like this is petty and rediculass!! things need to be sorted out!!

[Robert Taylor]

in PD now...nope....this isn't good enough!!! myself and many other senior members have been on this site a long enough time to know shit like this is petty and rediculass!! things need to be sorted out!!

Ill take the rap for substanially helping to divert off topic. Perhaps I was trying to show a light side in contrast to the serious business of dealing with suspenders day in day out. I think light hearted humour is a very good form of medicine and its a shame there are too many people in all walks of life who are devoid of it.

Look at Michael Cullen, I hate the man with a vengeance but he does have a wicked sense of humour, as did other dictators like Muldoon and Lange.

I promise that humour will now be constrained within topic, that is fair I guess.

[HDTboy]

Fuck off, being a funny bastard is far more important than pleasing the mods.

[skidMark]

My guess... 171rwhp



Oh cheers bro...I've got 176rwhp on my ZX10 and know of a ZX14 that just got 179.
Ok I'm off for a good hearty wank but that's sweet as I've got some bike porn to toss over ;)


hang on didnt you get the snip...shootin blanks :lol::spanking:

[skidMark]

we'll be seeing how many dB's your puttin out soon sunny....

guess and have done with it biach


167.4 ..............

[Cajun]

Senior Mods Warning

I have had a few requests to return this, I have decided it still serves a pupuise, please keep it clean on try to stay semi on topic.

If you ever have issues with an actions of a mod, you should not insult/flame them in threads/pms, if you can not get a fair repsonse out of the mod, pm a senior mod of some kind, who will look in to the issue futher.

Cajun

[cowpoos]

Thanks boss.

And Robert, it was god to see your "other" side coming out.. keep it up.
yeah....we should get robert to get on MSN with us speedie to talk more rubbish...and get in less trouble!!

[merv]

Senior Mods Warning

I have had a few requests to return this, I have decided it still serves a pupuise, please keep it clean on try to stay semi on topic.
Cajun

Why does it matter, why does a conversation have to be so on-topic perfect? It doesn't happen when we meet riding our bikes or at the pub, why do you think it has to be so perfect here?

As a 4.5 year veteran member I found this thread quite OK. Why can't the mods just back off, enjoy the fun and post interesting stuff themselves instead of messing with other people's stuff or don't you have anything else to do?

[boomer]

No I think that would be a little mean. If you can sincerely tell me that your Margaret Thatcher was a great Priminister I think we can strike a very good deal.

i were dowen tut pitz at time.. what u reckon? Now Arthur Scargill .. well lets talk !


I don't do politics.. i ride along prodding and poking but not man enough to stand in line and tick a box.



oh wait... back on topic... tomorrows the big day! Wooohooo.. all weekend without a bike, yesterday was like a summers day and back to work tomorrow.. unfortunately i had a brain fart and forgot to get an aftermarket filter and the velocity stacks .. oh well, i'm sure it'll be fast enough in 'C' Mode as is :banana:

i'm thinking i might change my vote to the average.. which is about 157!

[Ixion]

I had to log on so i could go to PD and read the funny stuff. Mr Taylor for PM I reckon.Even if he does not know how to pronounce lartenant

And, given my own somewhat disappointing experience, I reckon Suzuki horsepower are based on very small horeses. More like kittens , really. So I'd guess 200 RWKP (Rear Wheel Kitten Power

[Robert Taylor]

i were dowen tut pitz at time.. what u reckon? Now Arthur Scargill .. well lets talk !


I don't do politics.. i ride along prodding and poking but not man enough to stand in line and tick a box.



oh wait... back on topic... tomorrows the big day! Wooohooo.. all weekend without a bike, yesterday was like a summers day and back to work tomorrow.. unfortunately i had a brain fart and forgot to get an aftermarket filter and the velocity stacks .. oh well, i'm sure it'll be fast enough in 'C' Mode as is :banana:

i'm thinking i might change my vote to the average.. which is about 157!

No I didnt like Arthurs comb over ! I wont hold it against you, this has been fun. I even have some friends that are socialists. Heck, the shocks I import come from one of the most socialist countries in the world ( shame ).

Japanese horsepower is in DIN ( smaller units, bigger numbers ) Measured at the crank and / or the glossy pamphlet. Good for the pub. Dynos are different, there are so many variables. A comparator at best, as long as you are using the same one under the same conditions and are very pedantic about technique to not fool yourself ( and everybody else ) to achieve TRUE repeatability.

I still have a Dynojet dyno but am ''over'' it. I now much much prefer my suspension dyno, its a lot quieter!

[Robert Taylor]

I had to log on so i could go to PD and read the funny stuff. Mr Taylor for PM I reckon.Even if he does not know how to pronounce lartenant

And, given my own somewhat disappointing experience, I reckon Suzuki horsepower are based on very small horeses. More like kittens , really. So I'd guess 200 RWKP (Rear Wheel Kitten Power

How many F16s would I be allowed to order?

[cowpoos]

How many F16s would I be allowed to order?
fucking lots!!!! and sort out the dam tax on alcohol would ya!!! its bloody hard to get drunk cheap these days!!

[White trash]

Heck, the shocks I import come from one of the most socialist countries in the world ( shame ).


Speaking of that, I believe you'll have a nice big box of 'em delivered Monday. It's cool when that stuff comes through, wish I had a little xray machine to see what's in the box of goodies each month :D

[Crasherfromwayback]

I had to log on so i could go to PD and read the funny stuff. Mr Taylor for PM I reckon.Even if he does not know how to pronounce lartenant

And, given my own somewhat disappointing experience, I reckon Suzuki horsepower are based on very small horeses. More like kittens , really. So I'd guess 200 RWKP (Rear Wheel Kitten Power

Oi...didn't you run off with your tail between your legs a while ago saying you'd not be back?

[White trash]

Nyuck yuck yuck yuck............:)

[cowpoos]

Nyuck yuck yuck yuck............:)
At the end of a tiny, deserted outback bar is a huge Aboriginal bloke, two metres tall and 150 kilos.


He's having a few beers when a short, well-dressed and obviously homosexual man walks in and sits beside him.


After three or four beers the gay guy finally plucks up the courage to say something to the big Aboriginal.


Leaning over towards the Aboriginal he whispers, "Do you want a blow-job?" At this the massive Aboriginal leaps up with fire in his eyes and smacks the man in the face, knocking him off his stool.


He proceeds to beat him all the way out of the bar before leaving him bruised and battered in the car park, then returned to his seat at the bar.


Amazed,the barman quickly brings over another beer. "I've never seen you react like that",he says. "Just what did he say to you?".


"I'm not sure", the aboriginal replies, "Something about a job..."

[Robert Taylor]

Speaking of that, I believe you'll have a nice big box of 'em delivered Monday. It's cool when that stuff comes through, wish I had a little xray machine to see what's in the box of goodies each month :D

Ive already received thanks Jimmy and have been working all weekend to process. I think two hours of my time is for tax to support that Arab that should have been despatched back to where he came from.

[boomer]

Speaking of that, I believe you'll have a nice big box of 'em delivered Monday. It's cool when that stuff comes through, wish I had a little xray machine to see what's in the box of goodies each month :D

never mind an x-ray machine.. i'd be happy with the box of goodies each month !!


And what on earth would a conservative be wanting with F16's? "Round 'em up .. put 'em in a field and...."


yeah i know the dyno run and numbers are just that.. numbers. As someone so valiantly pointed out to me you might as well draw a couple of lines and numbers on an etch-a-sketcha! i thought it might be fun to have a guess.

The crooks of the matter is i'm havin ma bike tuned by the finest in NZ and teh snatchy on/off at 4,000rpm and the sluggish 1-3,000 rpm's will be ironed out. Hopefully i wont be burning gas like one of those F16's your ordering.. or havin the rooster tails fartin out the back.

not long now :D

[cowpoos]

yeah i know the dyno run and numbers are just that.. numbers. As someone so valiantly pointed out to me you might as well draw a couple of lines and numbers on an etch-a-sketcha! i thought it might be fun to have a guess.

The crooks of the matter is i'm havin ma bike tuned by the finest in NZ and teh snatchy on/off at 4,000rpm and the sluggish 1-3,000 rpm's will be ironed out. Hopefully i wont be burning gas like one of those F16's your ordering.. or havin the rooster tails fartin out the back.

not long now :D
fuck I'll piss myself laughing if my one makes more grunt than you pig!!! lol

[boomer]

fuck I'll piss myself laughing if my one makes more grunt than you pig!!! lol

if it does i'm gonna kick the operator in the nads and bwana boy won't be gettin any rice

[cowpoos]

if it does i'm gonna kick the operator in the nads and bwana boy won't be gettin any rice
fair enough!!! so when you gunna have your re-match with dover at the drags??

[The Stranger]

Sorry chaps - this thread went so far off track that I had difficulty in distinguishing the pure drivel from those pertinent to the thread topic.... I may have taken one or two that were unnecessary :spanking: if thats the case let me know and I will consider putting them back.... :devil2:

On topic now please :spanking: - as you were... :niceone:

Never in my life have I seen such bloody bullshit!

What give you any right to lecture some of the best minds (in the subject) and riders in the country?

Pull your head in!!

[boomer]

fair enough!!! so when you gunna have your re-match with dover at the drags??

I've decided.. i don't do drags anymore.. just not my cup of cha!:oi-grr::o and The_Dover is retiring from racing so i figure i'll let him go out in style

got a couple of track days lined up soon tho.. you'll see me educating the slow group with my 182RWHP!

[cowpoos]

got a couple of track days lined up soon tho.. you'll see me educating the slow group with my 182RWHP!
I might come along to the veledrome to and do a few laps on a push bike!! shoulod beable to keep up with you on your gixxer I reckon!!

[The Pastor]

why is this in rant and rave? its about motorbikes.

[limbimtimwim]

got a couple of track days lined up soon tho.. you'll see me educating the slow group with my 182RWHP!Jebus.

Has the fuelling improved?

[boomer]

Jebus.

Has the fuelling improved?

i'm jesting.. not got it back yet bro :D

[limbimtimwim]

i'm jesting.. not got it back yet bro :DI'm a bit hard of thinking.

Going to this Suzuki trackday in late October? I need to school some gixxer riders on my trailbike.....

[Ixion]

Oi...didn't you run off with your tail between your legs a while ago saying you'd not be back?

Nope. Read my signature. And weep.

I'm still in the ditch, somewhere east of Hazebrouck and north of Amiens. Your move, Cousin Georgette.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nope. Read my signature. And weep.

I'm still in the ditch, somewhere east of Hazebrouck and north of Amiens. Your move, Cousin Georgette.

Well my hat's off to you. At least you replied this time.

[Ixion]

You didn't understand it, though.

[Hitcher]

Are we still on topic?

[boomer]

hold tight mods.. dont PD it YET .. i'll have my bike and dyno and Numbers tomorrow.,.,.HONEST !

[Joni]

Are we still on topic?:lol: What a joke..... :girlfight:

[boomer]

:lol: What a joke..... :girlfight:

We're passing the time.. waiting for the figures to arrive. think of it as breathing space.

And joni.. two sugars please Doll

[Hitcher]

And joni.. two sugars please Doll

Would you like her to drink it for you as well?

[cowpoos]

And joni.. two sugars please Doll


+1 and any chance of getting kickaha to make us some scones with rasberry jam?? that would be just tops :) than ks gorgeous!! :love:

[boomer]

Would you like her to drink it for you as well?

i'd be over the moon if she did.. my old girl won't 'drink it'... . teehehehehehehehe :lol:

[Virago]

Where the fuck is the humble pie?

[Joni]

Typical, lets belittle someone because of their gender because we have nothing else to contribute.... I mean her_B4 or Joni... we are all just stupid women after all eh?

Why dont we both serve you your drinks, its all we are good for... :tugger:

[cowpoos]

Where the fuck is the humble pie?
Kickaha the bakery burglar probally ate it...only in the interest of helping with the traction issuse's divo and him have on the rig!!

[boomer]

Where the fuck is the humble pie?

i haven't seen any islanders in here yet bro.. as soon as i do i'll ask 'em to save u some.

come on guys.. lighten up. We're waiting for the numbers.. we've all had a guess.. we've all accepted the threads not gonna get the prestige of being in the motorcycle forums.. and I think we realise the threads balancing by a nats cock.. so close to going into PD.

It will get better when the figures come... and by teh way.. Hitcher, Joni, Vurago.. none of you buggers have hazarded a guess.. and are guilty of sending it of topic....


guestimates please :D

[limbimtimwim]

Okay;

167 horse powers.

[Joni]

So yeah... hows that rear wheel HP, Mr thread owner.... :baby:

[boomer]

Why dont we both serve you your drinks, its all we are good for... :tugger:

I never said that? i can think of a few things you're probably good at/for :D

if you search the forums i think you'll find i and others like my retarded self have asked blokes to make me a cuppa before.. don't be so touchy... I abused Her_b4.. not u. and now have to pay for it on the naughty chair for a bit longer, which by the way now only has 3 legs instead of four!

ps... gettin closer to the dyno results.. you as excited as me Joni???? are ya.. are ya?

[Mom]

I mean her_B4 or Joni... we are all just stupid women after all eh?

Why dont we both serve you your drinks, its all we are good for... :tugger:


Lighten up Joni, you know you are better than a simple serving wench........

Far out sometimes this place staggers me


It will get better when the figures come... and by teh way.. Hitcher, Joni, Vurago.. none of you buggers have hazarded a guess.. and are guilty of sending it of topic....


guestimates please :D

Off topic???? my guess........... 155.......cash for the prize please I have a Visa bill to settle :whocares:

[cowpoos]

okay numbers!!! wan dallars fivety free!!

[boomer]

So yeah... hows that rear wheel HP, Mr thread owner.... :baby:

dunno yet.. cant ya wait a bit longer? stop houndin me woman!

and i've had pointed out to me that my intellectual property aint mine and i dont own the thread .. i must have been going through one of my delusional phases. i blame it on the suspense of waiting for the Dyno numbers :D

[Joni]

OK that makes sence, it must be a delusion on your side... because the man I met with a cigarette filter stuck to one tooth with some spit sure did not look like Spank to me....

[Crasherfromwayback]

You didn't understand it, though.

That's more like the you that fucked off. I'd forgotten that you were of a much higher intelligence than the rest of us. Makes me wonder how we'd all got on without you.

[Ixion]

OK, so riddle me this (purely for Mr Hitcher's benefit).

In 1948, near 60 years ago, before any of you were born, Vincent produced a cast iron naked bike with 70bhp at the crank (claimed). That 70bhp was sufficient to propell the bike (remember, cast iron, pushrods, 70 octane petrol,naked) to 150mph+ . Around 240kph . (In their usual fashion, the Christchurch crew went over the top and pushed one to 185mph) .

Now if Suzuki have something like 160hp at the rear wheel, say 180 odd at the crank, that's 2.5 times (roughly) the horsepower. For an extra, what, 40kph? The fairing alone should add that.

So I reckon Mr Suzuki's figures are kitten power, not horse power. Otherwise a GSXR1000 should be topping out WEAY north of 300pkh.

[cowpoos]

OK, so riddle me this (purely for Mr Hitcher's benefit).

In 1948, near 60 years ago, before any of you were born, Vincent produced a cast iron naked bike with 70bhp at the crank (claimed). That 70bhp was sufficient to propell the bike (remember, cast iron, pushrods, 70 octane petrol,naked) to 150mph+ . Around 240kph . (In their usual fashion, the Christchurch crew went over the top and pushed one to 185mph) .

Now if Suzuki have something like 160hp at the rear wheel, say 180 odd at the crank, that's 2.5 times (roughly) the horsepower. For an extra, what, 40kph? The fairing alone should add that.

So I reckon Mr Suzuki's figures are kitten power, not horse power. Otherwise a GSXR1000 should be topping out WEAY north of 300pkh.
ride one bro....they acelerate like you woulod beable to comprehend!!!

[merv]

This is a fun thread isn't it?

171.5 hp.

[Ixion]

I have ridden one. I was underwhelmed. Better than the SV1000 is all I can say.

[Ixion]

That's more like the you that fucked off. I'd forgotten that you were of a much higher intelligence than the rest of us. Makes me wonder how we'd all got on without you.

Well done. You are progressing.

My old friend Sybyl, from my cloud days (you remember Sybyl, from our previous conversation) was also fond of saying gnothi seauton, know thyself.

Self knowledge is a first step to spiritual liberation. I wish you well in your journey along that road.

[cowpoos]

I have ridden one. I was underwhelmed. Better than the SV1000 is all I can say.
underwhelmed in what reguard or compared to wat??

[Ixion]

Compared to my expectations. Which may of course have been unrealistic. I am coming to expect that they probably were. But it does not seem so much extra over say a RZ350, for all the extra years, extra technology and claimed extra horsepower. Granted also that I am only judging on the basis of about 80kph upward, since I did not have the experience of the machine to optimise the balance between keeping the front wheel down on take off , and the rear wheel tractioned. So I am talking sensory perception, not figures. But acceleration upward from 200kph was not what I had expected.

[cowpoos]

Compared to my expectations. Which may of course have been unrealistic. I am coming to expect that they probably were. But it does not seem so much extra over say a RZ350, for all the extra years, extra technology and claimed extra horsepower. Granted also that I am only judging on the basis of about 80kph upward, since I did not have the experience of the machine to optimise the balance between keeping the front wheel down on take off , and the rear wheel tractioned. So I am talking sensory perception, not figures. But acceleration upward from 200kph was not what I had expected.
ahhh yes...the way modern bikes disguse there speed...much the same perception I had with my first ride on the current k6-k7 750 compared to my stock standard k5 one...I would have sworn black and blue my one was a fair bit quicker in a straight line...but truth be known...it was a much better power delivery...disgusing the rush of power quite remarkably well!!!

[riffer]

You make a good point there 'poos.

It's not the top speed. I'm sure that Suzuki could make the gixxer do 350 if they wanted.

Sure the Vincent could do 240, but it would take it half the day to get there. I have the original road test from The Motor Cycle, August 11th 1949 at home here and it quite clearly states.

Mean Max Speed:
Bottom: 69mph
Second: 87mph
Third: 110mph
Fourth: not obtained. Why? They couldn't find a long enough runway...

but bear in mind the Vincent did the quarter mile in 14.2 seconds.

The gixxer would probably do it in 9 flat. And in 14.2 seconds I dare say it would do half a mile and be up around 160mph, compared to the 96mph the Vincent could achieve.

You see - top speed ain't everything. And pushrods - hell, plenty of high performance V8s running pushrods still.

[Ixion]

But, unless one is racing the things, is not the perception what matters.

After all, as far as pure speed is concerned, I have done 600kph. In a Boeing 747, totally and utterly boring. I suspect that the acceleration of a 747 is probably faster than a GSXR also, and also totally boring.

So, is that the ultimate evolution of motorcycles? 350kph (or whatever) of complete boredom?

Take a fast two stroke for comparison . The slingshot effect as it hits power band and catapults forward FEELS far faster than the GSXR. And personally I ride a bike for the sensory input it gives me , not for the sake of some figures on a timing device . A sprotsbike that FEELS slow may as well BE slow (things are a bit different for tourers - I think that is one of the distinctions between the genera) .

If a bike feels slow and uninteresting (and I do not want to race it), then what is the point of all that horsepower? Regardless of what the timer or speedometer may say. A boring 250kph is just boring- like that Boeing.

[riffer]

Hmmm.

I've ridden a K7 gixxer thou, and I've ridden an RG500.

Both were fast.

At full throttle in 2nd gear, the gixxer was faster. And felt faster.

Are you sure you didn't accidentally set it in "C" mode?

However, the RG500 was more "exciting" to ride. And more dangerous. As I'm sure the H2 was. And the Vincent.

I'm thinking this may be the intangible essence you are trying to describe.


Meh. Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.

[Crasherfromwayback]

OK, so riddle me this (purely for Mr Hitcher's benefit).

In 1948, near 60 years ago, before any of you were born, Vincent produced a cast iron naked bike with 70bhp at the crank (claimed). That 70bhp was sufficient to propell the bike (remember, cast iron, pushrods, 70 octane petrol,naked) to 150mph+ . Around 240kph . (In their usual fashion, the Christchurch crew went over the top and pushed one to 185mph) .

Now if Suzuki have something like 160hp at the rear wheel, say 180 odd at the crank, that's 2.5 times (roughly) the horsepower. For an extra, what, 40kph? The fairing alone should add that.

So I reckon Mr Suzuki's figures are kitten power, not horse power. Otherwise a GSXR1000 should be topping out WEAY north of 300pkh.

You of all people should know that HP has to increase in huge amounts to make any real difference to top speeds. Add in things like the massive frontal area of a GSXR 1000's radiator...and the fact that the fairings on said bike are quite useless as far as top speeds go...and your argument is as week as piss.


I have ridden one. I was underwhelmed. Better than the SV1000 is all I can say.

If you've ridden a GSXR1000, and can say you were underwelmed, then I can say with 100% confidence two things.

1: You're full of shit. Or.. 2: You didn't twist the go handle properly.


Well done. You are progressing.

My old friend Sybyl, from my cloud days (you remember Sybyl, from our previous conversation) was also fond of saying gnothi seauton, know thyself.

Self knowledge is a first step to spiritual liberation. I wish you well in your journey along that road.

I progress of course. We all do as we live another day. Funny thing is though, you've not yet realized that some of us aren't that easily baffled by your drivel. Spiritual liberation? Fuck off. This is a forum regarding motorcycles and motorcycle related things. Join 'Yoga Weekly' if that's what you're after.


Compared to my expectations. Which may of course have been unrealistic. I am coming to expect that they probably were. But it does not seem so much extra over say a RZ350, for all the extra years, extra technology and claimed extra horsepower. Granted also that I am only judging on the basis of about 80kph upward, since I did not have the experience of the machine to optimise the balance between keeping the front wheel down on take off , and the rear wheel tractioned. So I am talking sensory perception, not figures. But acceleration upward from 200kph was not what I had expected.

Yeah. I rest my case. Gear an RZ350 for 300kph, then get back to me about it's acceleration. Or, gear a GSXR1000 for 200kph and twist the grip. Get what I'm saying? Anyone that'd dare try and compare an RZ350 to a GSXR 1000 is delusional.

[Crasherfromwayback]

After all, as far as pure speed is concerned, I have done 600kph. In a Boeing 747, totally and utterly boring. I suspect that the acceleration of a 747 is probably faster than a GSXR also, and also totally boring.





Actually Ixion, an H2 Kawasaki accelerated faster than a 747.
So I put this to you. Come and see me at Wellington Motorcycles (hell, I'll shout you the air fare), I'll give you a GSXR1000...you can then give me a demo alongside the runway at Wellington Airport against a 737 (much faster on take off than a 747). You come back and not have a hint of hand shake...I'll lick your balls. The slightest hint of tremor...you know the routine.

[skidMark]

You make a good point there 'poos.

It's not the top speed. I'm sure that Suzuki could make the gixxer do 350 if they wanted.

Sure the Vincent could do 240, but it would take it half the day to get there. I have the original road test from The Motor Cycle, August 11th 1949 at home here and it quite clearly states.

Mean Max Speed:
Bottom: 69mph
Second: 87mph
Third: 110mph
Fourth: not obtained. Why? They couldn't find a long enough runway...

but bear in mind the Vincent did the quarter mile in 14.2 seconds.

The gixxer would probably do it in 9 flat. And in 14.2 seconds I dare say it would do half a mile and be up around 160mph, compared to the 96mph the Vincent could achieve.

You see - top speed ain't everything. And pushrods - hell, plenty of high performance V8s running pushrods still.

a 14.2 in the year 1949? pretty blimin quick

mind you 8 years later out came the shelby version of the mustang (gt 500) and that was quickkkkk

[Robert Taylor]

But, unless one is racing the things, is not the perception what matters.

After all, as far as pure speed is concerned, I have done 600kph. In a Boeing 747, totally and utterly boring. I suspect that the acceleration of a 747 is probably faster than a GSXR also, and also totally boring.

So, is that the ultimate evolution of motorcycles? 350kph (or whatever) of complete boredom?

Take a fast two stroke for comparison . The slingshot effect as it hits power band and catapults forward FEELS far faster than the GSXR. And personally I ride a bike for the sensory input it gives me , not for the sake of some figures on a timing device . A sprotsbike that FEELS slow may as well BE slow (things are a bit different for tourers - I think that is one of the distinctions between the genera) .

If a bike feels slow and uninteresting (and I do not want to race it), then what is the point of all that horsepower? Regardless of what the timer or speedometer may say. A boring 250kph is just boring- like that Boeing.

Id rather have a lot less horsepower but with a bike that rides bumps superbly, handles superbly, carves precise lines and is kind to its tyres. And is quiet. Pop off valves annoy me intensely, so do the most offensive bike exhausts.

[terbang]

[

Actually Ixion, an H2 Kawasaki accelerated faster than a 747.
So I put this to you. Come and see me at Wellington Motorcycles (hell, I'll shout you the air fare), I'll give you a GSXR1000...you can then give me a demo alongside the runway at Wellington Airport against a 737 (much faster on take off than a 747). You come back and not have a hint of hand shake...I'll lick your balls. The slightest hint of tremor...you know the routine.

However the 737 ground roll at wellington is only the early part of its acceleration phase, sort of like turning your bike out of your driveway in first gear (if we must compare). Shortly after takeoff it will have achieved a speed of 300 Knots (480KPH) well before it passes island bay. It will continue to accelerate right through to 840 KPH and will be in Auckland 47 mins later. Or it could be sitting in Sydney by the time any wellington motorcycle had passed through Taihape. Dumb comparison really.

[terbang]

Id rather have a lot less horsepower but with a bike that rides bumps superbly, handles superbly, carves precise lines and is kind to its tyres. And is quiet. Pop off valves annoy me intensely, so do the most offensive bike exhausts.

You would love a Cagiva Navigator then.

[Ixion]

.... {much flame and fury, signifying little, and entirely missing the point}


Oh dear. I see that I was wrong. You have not made so much progress on your journey to enlightenment as I had thought. I am so sorry, my friend

Some people claim that a vegetable diet does wonders for the relief of splenetic and choleric humours. Never tried it m'self, being more of the Vimes school of dietary science, but perhaps you might find it worth a trial ? One does not like to see a brother so tormented.

Thank you for the information about the relative acceleration fo the aeroplanes. I will try to remember it, but I fear that I find such things very boring, and will no doubt soon forget it. I am glad though that you have an interest in life, and aeroplanes are so much more today than trains.

By the way, it occurs to me that Mr JRandom (Ms Fish as was, is it not wonderful how the clever surgeons can reverse such things) might like you for a pet. (S)he has a fondness for such things. If there should be an opening, would you be interested?

[McJim]

ps... gettin closer to the dyno results.. you as excited as me Joni???? are ya.. are ya?

C'mon Boom Boy - spill the beans and put us out of our misery.

How many ponies does it have?

[Ixion]

Hmmm.

I've ridden a K7 gixxer thou, and I've ridden an RG500.

Both were fast.

At full throttle in 2nd gear, the gixxer was faster. And felt faster.

Are you sure you didn't accidentally set it in "C" mode?

However, the RG500 was more "exciting" to ride. And more dangerous. As I'm sure the H2 was. And the Vincent.

I'm thinking this may be the intangible essence you are trying to describe.


Meh. Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.



Id rather have a lot less horsepower but with a bike that rides bumps superbly, handles superbly, carves precise lines and is kind to its tyres


I think you are both on the track of what I am grasping for. But it is not related to danger. I know that for some people, danger is part of the attraction of motorcycling , but I have never been of that persuasion. Or, of that which derives a "buzz" from speed pure and simple. What I most look for in a bike is FUN. And I coming to the conclusion that over about 100hp there is a sort of diminishing return of fun for extra horsepower.

The GSXR is fast, most certainly. And fun, too. But let us compare it with , say, an RG150, to keep things modern on both sides.

Let us take an experienced rider and send him out on a loop of your favourite twistified road, first on an RG150 and then on a GSXR1000. I specify experienced, both because a novice will not be in a position to manage either bike properly, and because an experienced rider may be expected to have gotten over the "OMGWTFLOL I did 200 kph look at me" syndrome

Now when the rider returns from his loop on the RG, I am sure he will have a grin on his face and agree that he had fun (if not, he's not doing it right). And when he returns from the loop on the GSXR, likewise. And maybe the GSXR will be a bigger grin, and more fun. But -- the GSXR has about six times the horsepower of the RG. Will our rider think it was six times as much fun. I'm far from convinced.

Of course, if I had to ride from Auckland to Wellington, I'd take the GSXR not the RG. I'm just pointing out that at a certain point the extra amount of sheer fun to be obtained starts to lag behind the increase in horsepower. Lots more horses, only a little more fun.

[Crasherfromwayback]

. I suspect that the acceleration of a 747 is probably faster than a GSXR also, and also totally boring.
A boring 250kph is just boring- like that Boeing.


[


However the 737 ground roll at wellington is only the early part of its acceleration phase, sort of like turning your bike out of your driveway in first gear (if we must compare). Shortly after takeoff it will have achieved a speed of 300 Knots (480KPH) well before it passes island bay. It will continue to accelerate right through to 840 KPH and will be in Auckland 47 mins later. Or it could be sitting in Sydney by the time any wellington motorcycle had passed through Taihape. Dumb comparison really.

Yeah I think so too. Silly boy Ixion! However, as clever as you pilots are (I know this first hand, as a mate of mine flys 737's too), you obviously haven't been round bikes as long as I have been. It was in actual fact an advertising wank from KHI when the H2 was released stating it was faster than a 747 down the runway. Not my comparison. So email them and tell them it was dumb.

[TonyB]

Hmmm. I had an RZ350. Then I got a VFR700- had them at the same time for a month or two, it wasn't easy to tell, but I think the VFR accelerated a bit harder. The RZ made loads of noise and vibrated away, making it feel loads faster than it was. Then I got an FZR1000, I had the FZR and VFR at the same time. The FZR made the VFR feel like a kids toy. I'd hop on the VFR and wind it out wondering when it was actually going to do something. Then I got the Monster 750, and had the FZR for a while as well. I got used to the Monster, and after a while it felt quite powerful... then I hopped on the FZR and blasted up onto the motorway...it was almost scary. For a while the Monster felt like a toy. Now that the FZR is long gone, the Monster feels powerful again.

When I had the FZR, a mate gave me a go on his GSXR1000K4. Compared to the FZR, IT was almost scary. I couldn't give it full noise till I got into 3rd, as the front would lift and keep on going up in first and second.

So to recap- The FZR1000 made the VFR700 (and RZ350 by association) feel like a toy. The GSXR1000K4 made the FZR1000 feel big, heavy and slow.

Ixion, all you have really said is that the sensation of speed is relative! At 800kmh in a 747, you are sitting in air conditioned comfort, with nothing to guage your speed by. On a bike at 250kmh, you are in the air, the force of it rushing past is straining your neck muscles, its roaring in your ears, the engine is howling, and the scenery is racing past. Yet you could probably feel the same sensation of speed at 40kmh bouncing around a grass track on a kids gokart.

[riffer]

The GSXR1000K4 made the FZR1000 feel big, heavy and slow.


I got the same impression riding the K7.

The K7 accelerates as hard at 7000 as the RF does at 11000 in second gear.

And it weighs about a pillion passenger less than my bike.

[Robert Taylor]

Typical, lets belittle someone because of their gender because we have nothing else to contribute.... I mean her_B4 or Joni... we are all just stupid women after all eh?

Why dont we both serve you your drinks, its all we are good for... :tugger:

I have lived under 3 woman priministers, the outgoing one bloody awful, one quite okay, but the first one sensational. Margaret Thatcher. Just ask General Galtieri ( from his grave )
Because many women have very very good attention for detail I am sure they would also make great suspension engineers.
In having two teenage daughters I am concerned very deeply about the potential trouble / temptations they can get into with unsuitable suitors, alcohol, drug abuse etc etc.

[boomer]

I got the same impression riding the K7.

The K7 accelerates as hard at 7000 as the RF does at 11000 in second gear.

And it weighs about a pillion passenger less than my bike.

did you take her up to double figures ( rev wise ) .. the fun really begins then

[riffer]

did you take her up to double figures ( rev wise ) .. the fun really begins then

*looks around to see if crasherfromwayback is watching*

a-hem. It's very very quick from about 10,000 onwards. It was slightly disconcerting how the front rises under full throttle at speeds very close to twice the speed limit. But it didn't stop me trying it a few times to check that it wasn't a fluke.

I'd love to hear from Jimmy how much of a difference the suspension work on his race bike altered it from the original.

How quickly do you think you get used to the way they accelerate? I thought the RF was fast the first time I rode it (after my last bike - an unrestricted FZR750R) but now I have no problems applying maximum throttle in most conditions. I guess it took about 3 months of daily riding before I had no fear (but still respect) of the 118-approx RWHP in the RF.

To be honest I found the GSXR1000K7 at full throttle a little intimidating - not scary - but definitely something worthy of respect.

How long before it gets ho-hum?

[boomer]

*looks around to see if crasherfromwayback is watching*

a-hem. It's very very quick from about 10,000 onwards. It was slightly disconcerting how the front rises under full throttle at speeds very close to twice the speed limit. But it didn't stop me trying it a few times to check that it wasn't a fluke.

I'd love to hear from Jimmy how much of a difference the suspension work on his race bike altered it from the original.

How quickly do you think you get used to the way they accelerate? I thought the RF was fast the first time I rode it (after my last bike - an unrestricted FZR750R) but now I have no problems applying maximum throttle in most conditions. I guess it took about 3 months of daily riding before I had no fear (but still respect) of the 118-approx RWHP in the RF.

To be honest I found the GSXR1000K7 at full throttle a little intimidating - not scary - but definitely something worthy of respect.

How long before it gets ho-hum?


hehehheh nice one, i just read krasherfromwaybacks review of the k7 again .. and smiled !


your right.. you become immune, desensitized or complacent with the power over time; i luckily was forewarned and let off with just that... a warning http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=51168

a little later....

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1101861&postcount=39


the older models are more aggressive and im sure would give you even more of a thrill. but for a wet fart like me steppin up from a 6.. she was a good move. im slowly getting use to her and locking forward to gettin on the track soon.

Jimmies the man to do a proper write up.. he can compare apples with apples and has the ability to ride well and know what the bikes capable of.

[Crasherfromwayback]

*looks around to see if crasherfromwayback is watching*

a-hem. It's very very quick from about 10,000 onwards. It was slightly disconcerting how the front rises under full throttle at speeds very close to twice the speed limit. But it didn't stop me trying it a few times to check that it wasn't a fluke.



And indeed I'm watching.

That does it mate...next time you take one of our demos out, I'll come with ya!:Police:

[nodrog]

Hey Boomer have ya got the result or what?

[boomer]

Hey Boomer have ya got the result or what?

i haven't got ma bike yet never mind a result.. got lost in the post :weep:

[SimJen]

I reckon it'll be close to 170+hp with a pipe, maybe 171.4hp.
Most magazines are dynoing at high 160's stock, and a few showing 170+ with fancy pipes (Superbike magazine have one with a LeoVince pipe showing 170+).
K5/6's are getting 155-160ish stock and upto 165+ with pipe/PC (or Teka).
All depends on the dyno though.....

[riffer]

And indeed I'm watching.

That does it mate...next time you take one of our demos out, I'll come with ya!:Police:

Shit mate - d'ya think you can keep up? ;)

There's a really funny R1 test ride clip posted on the site yesterday - you should check it out.

[terbang]

you obviously haven't been round bikes as long as I have been. It was in actual fact an advertising wank from KHI when the H2 was released stating it was faster than a 747 down the runway. Not my comparison. So email them and tell them it was dumb.

Nah, I was too busy riding my own H2 back in 1976, rather than wanking myself over the adverts.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nah, I was too busy riding my own H2 back in 1976, rather than wanking myself over the adverts.

Thought as much. That's another area we obviously differ. I was busy wanking myself as a youngster, you're doing it now.

[imdying]

So did it blow up or what?

[avgas]

15hp, Ural have taken over development :bleh:

[imdying]

Hellooooo, all this fuss over the thread being PD'd, everyone taking a guess yada yada yada, and we don't even have a freaking result yet?

[Kickaha]

Hellooooo, all this fuss over the thread being PD'd, everyone taking a guess yada yada yada, and we don't even have a freaking result yet?

maybe it was so low he's to embarrassed to post it up?:rolleyes:

[imdying]

maybe it was so low he's to embarrassed to post it up?:rolleyes:It's as much an internal comparison thing, and much of the love is under the curve anyway, so I doubt he's that worried about that?:no:

[boomer]

Hellooooo, all this fuss over the thread being PD'd, everyone taking a guess yada yada yada, and we don't even have a freaking result yet?


good things come to those who wait!


maybe it was so low he's to embarrassed to post it up?:rolleyes:

why would be embarresed about showing dyno results on a rocket ship i cant fookin ride any way... !!!! are you mad?!


It's as much an internal comparison thing, and much of the love is under the curve anyway, so I doubt he's that worried about that?:no:

umm torque :banana:


just got it back tonight, same as jimmies with a horrible dip at 5-6,000rpm's.. Unfortunately i've not been on her yet so i'll let ya know if the snatchy on/off has gone or i do indeed need to buy a foooookin PCIII. Although saying that the kind man has told me to take her back for more if it is indeed twitchy

i'm on the naughty chair so i cant post pics :(

The dynos with and without baffles. With the baffle shes a good 5hp short upto 5,500. theres no dip at 5,000 .smooth... then there's about 1 maybe 2 hp's loss upto 10,000. after that shes a good 5bhp short of the no baffle line


Without the baffle the curve drops at 5 and not so steep until 6 then straight up! to 10 (the curves inline with the baffle, only 1 or 2 hp more) Its here you see the 5 or so hp increase over the baffle and she starts the decline at 12,000.

the torque curve however is weeeealy strange upto 4,000 up, over to 5,000 down to 6,000 up and over to 10... where she peaks inb the low 70's


sorry for a shitty explanation.. i'll take a pic and get someone to post soon.,..

so.. the winner is POOS!

[nodrog]

so.. the winner is POOS!

so whats the number bro? i cant be arsed trying to find it:shit:

[Crasherfromwayback]

just got it back tonight, same as jimmies with a horrible dip at 5-6,000rpm's.. Unfortunately i've not been on her yet so i'll let ya know if the snatchy on/off has gone or i do indeed need to buy a foooookin PCIII.

Bring it down to us mate. I give you my word we'll get it sorted way better than anyone else can.

[boomer]

so whats the number bro? i cant be arsed trying to find it:shit:
150 bro..
Ummm crasher.;dover says good things about ya! Let me see how she rides tomorrow... 6 days and no bike I'm beginnin to itch!

[boomer]

I went to rays and found this on the workshop bench, I dont think Boomer has seen it yet.

ahahahah you were at Rays! Thats pretty spot on!

and your right about those accidental wheelies officer :mellow:

[boomer]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=71254&d=1190235128


there she is

[SimJen]

interesting, obviously not a Dynojet dyno. Must be a proper one! Dynojets read high.
Dynos are only of any use when you run your bike back to back with mods.
Some dynos read high, some are more realistic. Most of the UK bike mags use Dynojets and get massive figures of 170+hp....

[Finn]

150 bro..
Ummm crasher.;dover says good things about ya! Let me see how she rides tomorrow... 6 days and no bike I'm beginnin to itch!

150 RWHP on a K7??? :doh:

Boomer, my 05 Blade has 151. Fuck, this'll be fun.

[boomer]

150 RWHP on a K7??? :doh:

Boomer, my 05 Blade has 151. Fuck, this'll be fun.

theres only one real way to tell.. here's one for ya Finn.

We book out bikes in at Amps for back to back Dyno's.. the looser pays for both Dynos?

wanna play now?

[Finn]

theres only one real way to tell.. here's one for ya Finn.

We book out bikes in at Amps for back to back Dyno's.. the looser pays for both Dynos?

wanna play now?

No thank you good sir. I'll stick with the evidence at hand. :pinch:

[robertydog]

Well i reckon about 150


Kool.......

[Goblin]

theres only one real way to tell.. here's one for ya Finn.

We book out bikes in at Amps for back to back Dyno's.. the looser pays for both Dynos?

wanna play now?Dyno shmyno! :bleh: Why dont you both come to Trackday6 and see if the torque curve and amount of ponies has any effect on your riding?

[boomer]

Dyno shmyno! :bleh: Why dont you both come to Trackday6 and see if the torque curve and amount of ponies has any effect on your riding?


ahahaha i know your stance on figures :girlfight: and i'm not brave enough to go in teh fast group to play with Finn.

one thing i do know about the bike.. and i know you won't think its possible.. but it's made me slower!

[Goblin]

ahahaha i know your stance on figures :girlfight: and i'm not brave enough to go in teh fast group to play with Finn.

one thing i do know about the bike.. and i know you won't think its possible.. but it's made me slower!:laugh:Finn and fast in the same sentence??? and you slower?? :laugh::killingme
Thanks for the laugh....hehehe.

[Finn]

:laugh:Finn and fast in the same sentence??? and you slower?? :laugh::killingme
Thanks for the laugh....hehehe.

People on 600cc puddle jumpers shouldn't throw stones.

[jrandom]

I went to rays and found this on the workshop bench, I dont think Boomer has seen it yet.

You fucked up and got the axes wrong way round, dude.

LOL, though...

[cowpoos]

so.. the winner is POOS!

meh.....bike made a fricken ghey 120hp at the rear wheel!!! the same time boomers made 150hp!! thats a big fucking difference...so yeah...the 812 superbike engine don't seem that super!! no doubt that the engine will be a hell of alot more riderable now...I have no doubt about that...was jst expecting bigger numbers from it in comparison to a almost stock thousand...
will post my graph as soon as I get hold of it for people to have a nosey at!

but on the bright side!! I'ld still kick boomers arse around a race track on a super sherpa!!! bwahahahahaha :scooter:

[Toast]

interesting, obviously not a Dynojet dyno. Must be a proper one! Dynojets read high.


If that's the case then it's pretty bloody impressive that Ray's website a while back stated that his K5 race bike was putting out 205hp at the rear wheel (assuming he had the same dyno then)!!

I wonder what that would be on a dynojet that most of us quote figures from?

Makes you wonder why the Hondas bother turning up to Puke when the Clee bikes are putting out horsies like that.

[boomer]

If that's the case then it's pretty bloody impressive that Ray's website a while back stated that his K5 race bike was putting out 205hp at the rear wheel (assuming he had the same dyno then)!!

I wonder what that would be on a dynojet that most of us quote figures from?

Makes you wonder why the Hondas bother turning up to Puke when the Clee bikes are putting out horsies like that.

you add 20% to the 150 and voila.. 180 ;)

so im figuring rays is 205 minus the 20% giving a 170 figure or there abouts

[terbang]

Thought as much. That's another area we obviously differ. I was busy wanking myself as a youngster, you're doing it now.

How tragic, but I guess it explains a lot. I see those mens clinics advertising on TV, perhaps they could help?

[Crasherfromwayback]

How tragic, but I guess it explains a lot. I see those mens clinics advertising on TV, perhaps they could help?

That's the best you can do? Pah. Another thing...seeing as you were so keen to tell me what a dumb comparison I'd made earlier...so you were busy riding your own H2 in 76? I was ten then...so it's not like I could've been. Pretty dumb indeed. I thought basic maths was a prerequisite for a pilot.

But it's all good. You just feel free to run in and defend ya buddy Ixion when he makes statements like a K7 GSXR 1000 is underwhelming. You must be better men than Revvin Kevin, as even he finds them too much (on a race track no less).

[limbimtimwim]

.was jst expecting bigger numbers from it in comparison to a almost stock thousand...Yes, but your GSXR810 has had weight loss via ablation. So power-to-weight shouldn't be that bad eh?

[terbang]

76? I was ten . So whats changed?

[Crasherfromwayback]

So whats changed?

From what I've been told...your gender.

[cowpoos]

Yes, but your GSXR810 has had weight loss via ablation. So power-to-weight shouldn't be that bad eh?
theres really no difference in weight between a thou and a 750 in race trim bro!! a thou pulls away from me on a straight without much effort really!! especially the rocketship phil duxbury's riding!!

[Scouse]

People on 600cc puddle jumpers shouldn't throw stones.Er freindly bit of freindly advice dont judge Goblin by either her gender or the size of her puddle jumper.

[Finn]

Er freindly bit of freindly advice dont judge Goblin by either her gender or the size of her puddle jumper.

You're speaking out of order. The judges rule is final.

[boomer]

You're speaking out of order. The judges rule is final.

Judge Judy?

[Finn]

Judge Judy?

She's one sexy momma.

[terbang]

Er freindly bit of freindly advice dont judge Goblin by either her gender or the size of her puddle jumper.

Did you mention the word Gender, you..you fucktard full of shit, jeez just as well Ive had bigger tits than you for 30 years..! You can't have been hanging around the bicycle shed as long as me mate.

[Crasherfromwayback]

She's one sexy momma.

Hey, I'd have sex with her! She's worth millions...AND she's got a sharp tongue!:baby:

[SimJen]

But it's all good. You just feel free to run in and defend ya buddy Ixion when he makes statements like a K7 GSXR 1000 is underwhelming. You must be better men than Revvin Kevin, as even he finds them too much (on a race track no less).

Well by all accounts the K7 is underwhelming, its got a lot of power but delivers it so well it feels slightly bland compared to a K5/6.
My K5 felt soft next to my K1, only cause the K1 had such a big midrange hit in comparison. Im quicker on the K5 though, and once you know where the power lies, you can still hoist the big mingers!

[riffer]

Oh FFS!

Anyone who says the K7 is underwhelming never bothered to pull the throttle back far enough!!!

They simply made the bike easier to control.

Besides, if you really hate the power delivery you can get it sorted.

Change is a good thing people. And IMHO Suzuki did the right thing in making the bike easier for the average rider to handle while still ensuring hardcore riders could get their jollies.

If it ain't fast enough for you turbo the sucker. :angry2:

[Goblin]

You're speaking out of order. The judges rule is final.But....know me before you judge me.

[SimJen]

Oh FFS!

Anyone who says the K7 is underwhelming never bothered to pull the throttle back far enough!!!

They simply made the bike easier to control.

Besides, if you really hate the power delivery you can get it sorted.

Change is a good thing people. And IMHO Suzuki did the right thing in making the bike easier for the average rider to handle while still ensuring hardcore riders could get their jollies.

If it ain't fast enough for you turbo the sucker. :angry2:

My point exactly....it feels slower but obviously it isn't.
A lot of reviews are criticsizing the K7 though for its slowness of turning, it feels less willing to steer as well as the previous model.
For me, I'll stick with my K5 for now, I think its still ugly, but less so than a K7 :)

[riffer]

A lot of reviews are criticsizing the K7 though for its slowness of turning, it feels less willing to steer as well as the previous model.

Shit mate, I ride an RF900R. The gixxer felt fine to me.

As for sticking with a K5, you could do a hell of a lot worse. :niceone:

[boomer]

My point exactly....it feels slower but obviously it isn't.
A lot of reviews are criticsizing the K7 though for its slowness of turning, it feels less willing to steer as well as the previous model.
For me, I'll stick with my K5 for now, I think its still ugly, but less so than a K7 :)


it did turn in slow with all that weight on it.. handling has improved dramatically post surgery; Enigma took it for a spin before and after pipe and said it was a different bike all together; he didn't like the bike at all stock; i lent it him again afterwards.. he wanted to buy one.

[Finn]

Shit mate, I ride an RF900R. The gixxer felt fine to me.

As for sticking with a K5, you could do a hell of a lot worse. :niceone:

There should be an unwritten rule that any member than owns an RF900R should not be able to achieve the status of moderator. That's just criminal.

[riffer]

Ah you're just jealous Finn...

you gotta be more than 5 foot 10 and 95 kgs to handle an RF.

[boomer]

Ah you're just jealous Finn...

you gotta be more than 5 foot 10 and 95 kgs to handle an RF.

Even with that appendage on his heeeeed he's on 5'6...:pinch:

[puddy]

I never said that? i can think of a few things you're probably good at/for :D

if you search the forums i think you'll find i and others like my retarded self have asked blokes to make me a cuppa before.. don't be so touchy... I abused Her_b4.. not u. and now have to pay for it on the naughty chair for a bit longer, which by the way now only has 3 legs instead of four!

ps... gettin closer to the dyno results.. you as excited as me Joni???? are ya.. are ya?
turn the chair over, it's more comfortable that way! And pull the fourth leg out...........
:niceone:

[boomer]

turn the chair over, it's more comfortable that way! And pull the fourth leg out...........
:niceone:* ahem.. pack rack boy; some of us bat straight

[puddy]

* ahem.. pack rack boy; some of us bat straight
Ahh Nice! Sorry, I couldn't resist...........And pack racks aren't that bad. They're like being gay.when ya first think about it, it turns ya stomach, but after a few goes ya get to like it! I'll have the rack, and even the standard pipes back on it in three weeks time for the GC, then back to normal. GAY BUT PROUD!!! LOL

[doc]

Wanna take a shot at guessing the hp at the wheel of a k7, stock except for the slip-on racefit growler?

Bike's just been dropped of and i'll post the results on monday...

My guess is 146
Ok after fifteen pages of rhetoric. What your honest opinion does it go beter ? The figure is not important unless you want to measure all the competition with the same dyno .

[boomer]

Ok after fifteen pages of rhetoric. What your honest opinion does it go beter ? The figure is not important unless you want to measure all the competition with the same dyno .
True that!
I'l let you know tomorror after ive ridden the old girl!

[Brett]

True that!
I'l let you know tomorror after ive ridden the old girl!

That would be today. Now fess up englishman! How does the lady put out?

[boomer]

That would be today. Now fess up englishman! How does the lady put out?


just back.. left at 6..back at 8; what awesome roads down on the east cape :niceone:

yeah shes good, snatchy throttles gone, shes nice and smooth all the way through now; probably still running rich as shes poppin and gurlgin and breathing fire still.

but the tune did its job so much so i was sitting on the power band in first ready to give it a big hand full to come up and she rose up all by herself.. aint she clever. if only i could keep it up :pinch:

yeah .. conclusion.. done the trick.. well worth it !

im shagged!

[Jantar]

...left at 6..back at 8; what awesome roads down on the east cape :niceone: ...
I have to agree. Among my favourite North Island rides. :2thumbsup

[Matt Bleck]

just back.. left at 6..back at 8; what awesome roads down on the east cape :niceone:

im shagged!

You guys did about 1000k's today bro, fookin neow!!! :eek5:

[boomer]

I have to agree. Among my favourite North Island rides. :2thumbsup


hell yeah; it had everything; it was like doing a coro on steroids.


You guys did about 1000k's today bro, fookin neow!!! :eek5:


i must have done just over a 1000 k's as i was on 4,000 odd clicks and i'm now overdue its 6,000 service. i was in bed at 9 last night :baby:

when we got to the cape i was that dehydrated that the coke i stupidly bought came straight back up... i really should drink more fluids and ride faster !!!!

cheers for a good ride. leaving the cape i tried to keep up with you and Kiwifruit but you were gone burger.. then about 30 minutes later Saul and BB gave me the learn too..

BB.. u da man; cheers for organising a wicked day!!

[mogiman]

152.45 ponies +/- 1.5 you did say its stock but with can ?
very close