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Deano
8th October 2004, 16:05
From the DomPost today:

"A Cabinet minister with four drink-driving convictions has had his car ticketed six times for speeding in the past 16 months, three of them when he was driving.

Commerce Minister John Tamihere is one of 13 ministers whose taxpayer-funded self-drive cars were caught speeding 21 times since the election, papers released under the Official Information Act show.

The Government has identified speeding as the single biggest factor in road deaths, contributing to a third of fatal crashes.

Mr Tamihere, whose drink-driving convictions all happened before he entered Parliament, faced the largest fine, $300, after police clocked his car at 85km/h in Auckland in July.

He said he had been driving on three of the occasions, and family members the other times. "It's a fair cop. The reality is you should lead a bit better than that. I haven't. What more can you say?

"I have (learned my lesson) on drink- driving. Got to modify the behaviour over the foot on the accelerator. I regret I am not as saintly as some colleagues.

"There was a level of regularity there for a while. There was a very productive, prodigious bloke in a camera van who used to hide in all sorts of ways . . ."

Ministers to be ticketed twice were Transport Minister Pete Hodgson, Finance Minister Michael Cullen and Social Services Minister Steve Maharey.

The acting manager of executive government support, Janice Calvert, said she had no record of who was driving the self-drive cars at the times they were ticketed.

Ministers were responsible for arranging payment of traffic fines.

A spokesman for Mr Hodgson said he had not been in the vehicle the two times his car was ticketed this year. But he refused to say who was driving.

In an interview in April, Mr Hodgson revealed that last year he was fined for driving at 118km/h.

A spokeswoman for Dr Cullen said he was overseas and not available for comment.

A spokeswoman for Mr Maharey said the fines were a matter of public record. "He's paid them like any other citizen and that's all he has to say."

Others ticketed were Transport Safety Minister Harry Duynhoven, who admitted he was driving when he was stung for $80 for travelling 61km/h in a 50km/h zone, Health Minister Annette King, former transport minister Mark Gosche, Maori Affairs Minister Parekura Horomia, Education Minister Trevor Mallard, Associate Social Development and Employment Minister Phillip Field, former immigration minister Lianne Dalziel, former associate Maori affairs minister Tariana Turia and Associate Revenue Minister David Cunliffe.

In July, the prime minister faced criticism after her motorcade was estimated by onlookers to be travelling at 140km/h to 150km/h in a 50km/h zone near Temuka. "

Two NZ police officers have also been caught speeding within the last 6 months.

So.....these so called upstanding leaders of society are in the LTSA's words..."prepared to kill".

What a bloody joke.....

magnum
8th October 2004, 16:09
farkin wankers,sack em all :shit:

MikeL
8th October 2004, 16:11
So.....these so called upstanding leaders of society are in the LTSA's words..."prepared to kill".

What a bloody joke.....

Good point. Nobody expects our leaders to be perfect (although ideally they should be at least a little better than most of us), but it does show the absurdity of the LTSA "prepared to kill" campaign...

Someone less sanguine than myself might have used the word "hypocrisy".

Ghost Lemur
8th October 2004, 17:38
Personally I don't so much mind the fact that a few poli's got done for speeding (hey one even got done at 61 in a 50, and we all know how much of a bitch that is).

What pisses me off is the number of times it's not them driving (or even in the car). These are taxpayer provided self-driven cars, not family vehicles for all the rellies to drive.

Tis like having a company car and then letting whoever drive it coz "I'm not using it at the moment". Bet if you were a rep and did that you wouldn't keep the car for long.

Again as for the speeding side of thing, just another mass media hyperbowl. Would be more of a story if these politians (or their families, whatever) were getting caught speeding and NOT having to pay fines like the rest of us.

MacD
8th October 2004, 21:20
From the DomPost today:

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The Government has identified speeding as the single biggest factor in road deaths, contributing to a third of fatal crashes.

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I'd just like to point out that in this context the LTSA defines speeding as "speed inappropriate for the conditions (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/research/speed.html)", not exceeding the speed limit.

So yet again the two issues are confused....sigh...maybe one day the media will notice the difference!

Sorry, but this is misuse of definitions/statistics really annoys me!
:mad:

Lou Girardin
10th October 2004, 16:06
So, when is the enforcement and publicity emphasis going to be on "speed inappropriate for the conditions"?
Oh, that's right never. To hard to fine people for it. You have to wait till they crash.
God forbid that they're taught to drive properly

Storm
10th October 2004, 16:17
Amen to that Lou. Besides if they slow the drivers down, then how are they going to get all the revenue ? :Police:

cycosis
10th October 2004, 19:54
They drink,They drive ,They speed,They dont give a f#@k.Vote ALCP cause the rest deserve to die!