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SPman
22nd July 2003, 19:59
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN class=gsnormal>Here are the OTHER&nbsp; truths, half truths and rumours&nbsp;that I've heard:</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>Honda's developing a streetbike based on the RC211V racer, but it'll more be a 1000cc version of the new CBR600RR.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>Kawasaki's supposed to be coming out with a new ZX-10 based on their ZX-RR GP bike.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>Ducati's rumored to be working on a limited production Desmosedici streetbike.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>KTM's supposed to be working on a full on sportbike with a V-4 engine.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>BMW's rumored to have an inline-4 powered K-bike with a supercharger in the works.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>Harley's rumored to be HEAVILY revising it's Sportster and coming up with a real (proper – less than ½ a ton) sporty VRod.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>Suzuki's coming out with a GSX-R600 that's got an all new chassis, 5 more hp, and styling similar to the GSX-R1000.(surprise, surprise!)</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>BMW's rumored to be developing a 1200cc version of it's boxer twin engine in a new GS chassis about the size of the F650GS.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>Yamaha may mass-produce it's YZR-M1 soon.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>Suzuki and Kawasaki may release together a 450cc version of the new Suzuki RM-Z250 There may be a production supermotard version of that bike later still.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>Yamaha's looking at selling factory supermotard parts for it's YZ450F.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>Triumphs got that 2200cc inline-triple-powered cruiser in the works, is redoing the Daytona for more power and better looks and is coming out with a new Trophy with a 1300 engine</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>Yamaha may release a whole redesigned 1600cc version of the V-max for that bike's 25th anniversary. – perhaps it will get around corners then.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>Suzuki is rumored to be revising the Hayabusa for 2004.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>There maybe a naked bike from Honda with the RC211V's engine.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>Kawasaki may make a supermotard-style streetfighter to take on the KTM 950 Duke from Suzuki's V-Strom platform.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>BMW may rework the R1150R Rockster into a much lighter, more competitive street fighter.(yawn)</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>Suzuki's mass-producing the B-King, but with a normally aspirated GSX-R1000 engine instead of the concept bike's supercharged Hayabusa engine.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>Honda is redeveloping it's VTR1000 </SPAN><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break">


<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN class=gsnormal>Aprilia is heavily revising the Mille for the coming year. (yawn)</SPAN><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break">


<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN class=gsnormal>BMW may compete in MotoGP in a couple of years.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>Ducati may NEVER produce a Supermono-based streetbike of ANY KIND. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-AU; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"> </SPAN>
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<SPAN class=gsnormal>The Ducati Multistrada is but the beginning of a whole FAMILY of bikes.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal>KTM is working on a 650cc twin-cylinder motard bike for racing - Ducati may make a bike to compete with it.</SPAN>

<SPAN class=gsnormal></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;:done:

(that better BB? :D)

NhuanH
22nd July 2003, 21:08
Rossi to join Capirossi on Ducati all Italian dream team

Bayliss to team up with Hodgson in privateer/satellite Duke GP team

Me supposed to have bike for whole of 2004....:D

Coldkiwi
22nd July 2003, 22:07
hmm... lots of rumours of MOTO GP bikes getting on the road. Can't help but think Honda will lead the way and the rest of the teams will sit quietly and watch how they do it, what they cock up and then jump in the year or two after with refinements already in place to steal market share.

Aprilia are noticably absent from that list but then, what self respecting italian manufacturer puts a three cylinder on the road?? is there a latin 3-cyl precedent???

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SPman
22nd July 2003, 22:30
Laverda, with the superb Jota,and RGS and also Benelli now have the Tre on sale:rockon:

SPman
22nd July 2003, 22:37
Originally posted by nhuanh
Rossi to join Capirossi on Ducati all Italian dream team

Apparently he has signed for Honda next year for $10m

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Me supposed to have bike for whole of 2004....:D

Well, only you can answer that one - probably a bad rumour:D

NhuanH
22nd July 2003, 23:19
Hey SP, I was only trying to perpetuate the Rossi rumour that you started in another thread.&nbsp; I'm in the mob that believes&nbsp;this rumour was started by Rossi himself as contract negotiations were drawing closer...

Any more details on the Honda signing?&nbsp; Who buckled with the Rossi "I like the flexibility of only 1 year" vs. Mr Honda "but we want you longa..."?

10 million slides eh?&nbsp; Who does this guy think he is: Tiger Woods? David Beckham?&nbsp; Michael Schumacher?&nbsp; Arguably&nbsp;as worthy a champion, just in a less covered sport....

Although I reckon (uh oh here goes the mad bicycle rider) Lance Armstrong deserves as much chuh ching as all those names.&nbsp; You try 3300+ kms in 3 weeks, driven by 2 pistons only fueled with carbohyrdates!&nbsp; Yeah yeah, classic bicycling purists would say that he is only a stage racer and only&nbsp;focuses on&nbsp;Le Tour, but do you cats out there care/know who won the Giro d'Italia? or Paris-Roubaix? or Dauphne-Libere?&nbsp; Any other cycling fiends out there in KB land?&nbsp; I'm just amped&nbsp;'cos I have just watched the&nbsp;highlights of last night's&nbsp;stage through the Pyrenees, very possibly the make or break of the wrestle between Armstrong and Ullrich, barring the penultimate time trial stage of course...:done:

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PS. To qualify MY bike reference, I meant: a WORKING motorsickle for all of 2004!

wkid_one
23rd July 2003, 10:04
To re-qualify it for nuanh - a working bike he stays ON all year without hitting anything stationary or travelling in the opposite direction!

bikerboy
23rd July 2003, 16:58
Good effort but not quite Spman.

I had hoped for real news of actual events rather than the inuendo, gossip and soft subjects of previous poster imposters. :o

But I'll give you an A for effort as you did mention the magic D several times.


:niceone:

SPman
23rd July 2003, 17:31
Bugger!:)

SPman
23rd July 2003, 17:38
In that case, you will like this headline

Ducati Is Second Strongest GP Team In World -- In 90 days (http://www.amasuperbike.com/2003-Jul/030722b.htm)


Note - only 2nd :p

bikerboy
23rd July 2003, 20:06
Bravissimo il mio amico! :niceone:





Amo i ducati :love:

Coldkiwi
24th July 2003, 12:50
maybe the dukes are lovely... but by CRIPES those MV AUgusta F4-SPR's ARE SEEEEXY! i'd actually give them a 11/10 for looks over a 916/996 getting a 10/10.

completely&nbsp;:Offtopic: I know.... but I couldn;t get over them when I saw them the other night! I wonder if this is what knukles has in store for his riding pleasure?

wkid_one
24th July 2003, 12:58
With people putting pictures like this on the web - it is no wonder my short list is getting longer.......hmmmm.&nbsp; That MV is serious sexy.......

SP - You should have posted the news items one by one (post count you know).

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bikerboy
24th July 2003, 14:10
Rumor has it the MV was supposed to be the 998.:(

MV stole the designer from Ducati during the very early stages of the design process and he took it with him. That is why the 998 kept the old body and the 999 came out so soon after.


:argh:


Wkid 1 you can't consider the MV, it's italian and under powered! :D

wkid_one
24th July 2003, 15:55
I'm sorry but look at the bloody thing - my god - I would make an exception for that.&nbsp; And apparently I struggle to ride anyway- so power may not be what I need.....it is allowed to be down on power tho - isn't it only a 750 (i know little about them)??

*wonders how many Street Magics he could get for the VTR???*

*wonders why he is biking in the first place*

*wonders why if the black box is the only thing to survive a plane crash - why don't they make the whole plane out of that stuff*

* wonders why we wash towels - don't we use them when we are clean?*

*wonders why they make you wear seatbelts on the plane&nbsp;- you never hear 'a plane went down in Australia- but only 3 died coz the the remaining 187&nbsp;were wearing their seatbelts'*

*wonders if he should stop this post*

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SPman
24th July 2003, 16:01
*wonders if he should have posted these separately............:D

wkid_one
24th July 2003, 16:04
Now that is just being silly (although did try - but the 30 delay pissed me off)<IMG height=15 alt=Unhappy src="http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif" width=15 align=middle>&nbsp;

<IMG height=15 alt=eek src="http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/smilies/eek5.gif" width=15 align=middle>&nbsp;<IMG height=15 alt=Blah src="http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/smilies/blah.gif" width=15 align=middle>&nbsp;

NhuanH
24th July 2003, 16:42
Originally posted by bikerboy
you can't consider the MV, it's italian and under powered! :D

ah ha..but at least they've woken up and smelt the 98 octane and have got a creamy smooth 4 cyl :p

The renaissance of the multi's is coming (Rise of the cylinders!?!)...much lusted after machine is the Honda V5.&nbsp; When the revolution comes you twin types can mention our names...and unless the gas axe wielding mob is offering US$30 million, we'll vouch for ya...maybe.

bikerboy
24th July 2003, 20:37
The world is such a cold cruel place.:D

E tu Nhuanh ?:o

Coldkiwi
25th July 2003, 13:55
UNDER POWERED!? those f4's are putting out 140Ps! not bloody bad for a 750! I'd wager the increase in cornering and agility would more than make up for the 250cc disadvantage over a gixxer or R1 on the roads 90% of the time.

and the looks... see, I may use up bandwidth but it was SURELY worth it!

wkid_one
25th July 2003, 15:37
The looks would make up the 250cc disadvantage.....

160hp is great - but what bloody good is it if the manufacturer has to put in a restrictor in first through thirds gears to make it rideable (Suzuki).&nbsp; That is the problem with many of the reviews in the bike mags...often they are more concerned about absolute power - they also ride the bike at 11/10th's - somewhere us mere mortals will never get near.....they are ex-racers, more often than not testing the bike on the track, they are complaining about bikes having issues when they are being pushed to the point none of us will get near.

It would be interesting for a bike mag to hire normal joe average riders to rate bikes (I would offer my services) for everyday riding.&nbsp; This would be more pertinant to us.

Who cares if the GSXR/R1/954/999 etc pushes coming around the esses at Monza when being driven at warp speed 10 with another bike up its date, while the rider is trying to pose for a mag photo and get back to test the other bikes?&nbsp; How does it go around the Clevedon Loop at a speed the average person will ride...this is more important to me.&nbsp;

I would guess in this case - the 954,999,R1, Gixxer Thou, MV, Mille etc would all come out equal (even prob half the 600's along with it)&nbsp;- as we don't have the skills in general to push the bikes to the point at which their faults become evident.&nbsp; To us it is personal preference and opinion (what we read, are told and experience) that influences our choice.

SPman
25th July 2003, 15:39
They may look good, but a GSXR750 is still quicker.......and cheaper

NhuanH
25th July 2003, 15:55
Originally posted by SPman
They may look good, but a GSXR750 is still quicker.......and cheaper

touche mon ami

SPman
25th July 2003, 16:33
Well here are pix of the rumoured ZX10R under test&nbsp;

<IMG height=287 alt="" src="http://www.motorcycledaily.com/072303side2.jpg" width=365 align=right border=0>

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<IMG height=395 alt="" src="http://www.motorcycledaily.com/072303bottom.jpg" width=591 border=0>&nbsp;and

more info at http://www.motorcycledaily.com/23july03_zx10r_spy.htm

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Dave
25th July 2003, 16:37
That looks cool-is that his lunch box on the back?
Are they testing to see if the soup gets shaken up too much!

Coldkiwi
25th July 2003, 16:43
you said it wkid... its all pose factor because so few can use the difference... better to get the MV me thinks!!! then the only hardout posing going on is pretty girls wanting their photo taken with you on the bike (or maybe just with the bike) :P

I like the ZX-10! maybe the lunchbox is a telemetry/recording package?

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Coldkiwi
25th July 2003, 16:44
anyone else notice that the ZX-10R has WAVE discs!?

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*droooool*

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Dave
25th July 2003, 16:49
I like the ZX-10! maybe the lunchbox is a telemetry/recording package?

-Nahh, that'd be sensible.
-could be a porno video on the way back to the store,yeah thats it.

wkid_one
26th July 2003, 17:39
Was talking to the Kwaka dealer in Wellington and it looks likely to hit the store in about a years time - should be interesting for the big K - as Honda will have the true big bore thou blade replacement out and it is the revamp year for Yammie also - some stiff competition to compete with in their first true thou superbike.....I wonder if Suzuki will look at making any changes of significance in light of this?

SPman
27th July 2003, 23:10
This is purported to be the 2004 Daytona 955 on test.....single sided swingarm?.....could be a test mule I suppose.

<IMG height=452 alt="" src="http://www.motorcycledaily.com/072403top.jpg" width=591 border=0>

SPman
27th July 2003, 23:26
Originally posted by wkid_one

Who cares if the GSXR/R1/954/999 etc pushes coming around the esses at Monza when being driven at warp speed 10 with another bike up its date, while the rider is trying to pose for a mag photo and get back to test the other bikes?&nbsp; How does it go around the Clevedon Loop at a speed the average person will ride...this is more important to me.&nbsp;

You would probably be better off with a Kwaka 1000 (orange....mmmmmm)FZ1,&nbsp;Buell Firebolt,Speedtriple,Tuono,or new Bimoto Drako (mmmmmm), on the&nbsp;tight and twisties.&nbsp;Full on race reps are great where the roads are open and flowing,and the speeds get up over 140K,but at slower speeds, on real roads, are not neccesarily an advantage.
A relaxed riding position, wider bars for more turn-in leverage and tons of torque to spit you out of the corner in the wrong gear - any gear, are&nbsp;of more use for the average road around NZ.

Just look at the super Motards at Wanganui..........

bikerboy
28th July 2003, 18:49
Unfortunately I think your right there SPman.:(

wkid_one
28th July 2003, 18:51
NOw does everyone see my dilemma

bikerboy
28th July 2003, 19:55
See why buying a bike for it looks makes sense.:D

It might not be the fastest, best value, most powerful etc. but it is arguable one of the , if not the, best looking and I'll never reach its limitations or experience any of its on limit flaws.

Besides when the weather is crap I'm happy just looking at the thing.:love: :eek:

Coldkiwi
29th July 2003, 12:40
listen to the man.. buy italian! :)

SPman
29th July 2003, 17:40
Italian! :argh: BTDT

My rumour for 2004 is a new ORANGE Z1000 Kwakasaki! (so I can practice what I preach and avoid bending like a pretzel )

Coldkiwi
29th July 2003, 17:51
yup.. orange for once looks better than green on the Z1000... in fact it looks MIGHTY fine! got good reviews too compared to the Fz1 and Hornet 900.

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NhuanH
29th July 2003, 18:30
that 2004 Mille is saucy with it's proper clothes on and all.

How do I bung a damn piccy on this post?&nbsp; I only see the "attach" option!?!

Also, this is not a *new* bike nor a rumour but again very saucy...esp. for CK and WKID:&nbsp;

http://www.nitor.co.nz/~pete/video/senna.wmv

bikerboy
29th July 2003, 19:53
Even I like the orange Z1000 ! Caro mio, che una bella motocycletta. :)

I also think the Aprilia in the right colour combo is pretty nice, tho I"ll never admit it to Blu!:D

SPman
29th July 2003, 20:56
This colour combo? (2004)

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<IMG src="http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcaprilia/03_MilleR_Specs/.full/04_RSV1000R_1830.jpg" border=1> ("")

SPman
29th July 2003, 20:59
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<IMG src="http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcaprilia/03_MilleR_Specs/.full/04_RSV1000R_Studio_11.jpg" border=1> ("")

bikerboy
29th July 2003, 22:54
Such a funny man.:D :D :niceone:

Coldkiwi
30th July 2003, 12:27
can anyone else see those pics? I can't :(

bikerboy
30th July 2003, 17:38
:o I thought that WAS the point. :o

SPman
30th July 2003, 18:09
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SPman
30th July 2003, 18:15
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SPman
30th July 2003, 18:24
:argh: :argh: :argh:

F**KING COMPUTERS&nbsp;&nbsp; :angry:

I feel a reformat coming on&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; :eek:

Coldkiwi
31st July 2003, 12:16
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

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YEAH BABY!!!! I WANNA GET ME ONE OF THOSE!!! DAMN! makes the 999 look like yesterdays porridge!

*dribbles uncontrollably*

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Coldkiwi
31st July 2003, 12:44
Here's some more pics and the press release about the '04 Mille.

maybe the airtake is very Sp2 ish but the rest of the bike more than makes up for it in my opinion... i wonder what the retail price will be?

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http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcaprilia/03_MilleR_Specs/index.motml

NhuanH
31st July 2003, 13:41
and what about the EXTRA tricked up 'Factory' edition?!?&nbsp; RSV-R just doesn't cut the mustard in 2004.&nbsp; Maybe Simon would donate his machine to one of us (um..maybe a bikeless one) as he upgrades?

I could use the same line on the 04&nbsp;Mille as I would on a fine woman: "nice ass!"&nbsp; - and not receive a slap, even!

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bikerboy
31st July 2003, 14:40
Cold cereal indeed !, turncoat :angry2:








But the 999 isn't as gorgeous as the 996 ! :D

bluninja
31st July 2003, 15:21
Interesting stuff about the mille. 25mm lower (like that), front and tail ...don't like. As for the engine; it still has the same top speedish despite being lower,slimmer, and making more power.....and it's&nbsp;max revs are now 11,000 instead of 10,500, but peak power comes in at 9,500.....so why raise the rev limit?

Also the factory is just taking the place of the R...the 2003&nbsp;RSVR has radial brakes, but the 2004 RSVR doesn't....only the factory version...so they've just rebranded, cos the factory also gets the OZ wheels and carbon fibre a the R used to have. I may have to hang onto&nbsp;mine for a little longer.....maybe even till I learn to ride it properly &nbsp;:D

TTFN

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wkid_one
31st July 2003, 18:27
The blue rims are ugly

bluninja
31st July 2003, 18:36
I like the blue rims...and so light too:D

TTFN

bikerboy
31st July 2003, 20:40
:Offtopic: Hey Blu, speaking of hot RSVR"S, you should see what KIWI has done to his friends new one. Looks real good for a non Ducati.:D