45 hours to find suspected murder victim. At home.

[Albino]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10464791
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4207784a10.html

Hmmm, we're looking for some one who we think has been murdered. Do ya think we should check at their house? :Police: Nah lets leave it a couple of days.......

Or

Oh shit, we didn't think to look for a dead body in the boot of a car :Police:

Or

I don't have time for that murder stuff, I've got "performance targets" to achieve. :Police:


Sorry, it's been a while since the last KB cop bash.:girlfight:

[imdying]

You're a retard. Not really anything else to say. I'm glad they're not all rip shit and bust like it seems you would be...

[yungatart]

You mean that the cops can't find a murder victim, process the scene, interview any and all connected with it, get the forensic evidence back and arrest the perp in one hour like they do on TV?
And I thought CSI was real! That's all my illusions shattered now!

[Usarka]

You're a retard. Not really anything else to say. .

He'd probably ace the entrance exam then! :lol:

[magicfairy]

I bet the police are hoping that she didn't die of asphyxiation - 2 days ago, because she was locked in the boot of a car.
Funny how they can find any excuse to search the boot of a car if they pull you over - but somehow can't get a warrant to search house AND car in an hour or 2.

[Albino]

You mean that the cops can't find a murder victim, process the scene, interview any and all connected with it, get the forensic evidence back and arrest the perp in one hour like they do on TV?
And I thought CSI was real! That's all my illusions shattered now!

If there were investigating a murder I'd agree with your point. But until they opened the boot yesterday there was no crime scene and there was no known murder victim.

The facts were that two days ago she was missing and foul play was suspected. Police were "fearing for her safety".

[Coldrider]

Cops just can't go round searching houses and breaking into parked cars because they 'may' be looking for a body, or not.
That question of police is absurd media hype, and it is the media that is destroying the outcomes of many a serious crime. The only good point is that the police know when to 'use' the media, and the media are not aware of it.

[LilSel]

You mean that the cops can't find a murder victim, process the scene, interview any and all connected with it, get the forensic evidence back and arrest the perp in one hour like they do on TV?
And I thought CSI was real! That's all my illusions shattered now!

:lol::lol::lol:!!!!! hahahhahahaha!!! *PMSL*...

Please dont say NCIS isnt real.... :(... I like Abby... she is so clever :innocent:

[MyGSXF]

I just feel so much for the little one left behind... :( loosing her mummy like that.. & being abandoned by her dad.. is going to screw her up for life!! :confused:

[Coldrider]

I just feel so much for the little one left behind... :( loosing her mummy like that.. & being abandoned by her dad.. is going to screw her up for life!! :confused:
Yes, but I would say she is a very lucky girl also, how may children are killed in such circumstances.

[Swoop]

What gave it away? The smell?

Poor detective work boys. No donut today.

The road is Keystone Rd....:rofl:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Kops

Why abandon the little girl in Melbourne and then scarper to the USA? A damn good way to get interpol chasing your arse around the globe.

[MyGSXF]

Yes, but I would say she is a very lucky girl also, how may children are killed in such circumstances.

Yes, that's true too.. she is lucky to be alive.. very lucky!! :yes: but she is going to have problems later on in life though.. :(

[Colapop]

With all the pc bullshit these days and rights and shit - I'm not surprised. The cops have been bagged so much that they have no choice but to "follow procedure." What seems to be common sense, is hamstrung by bureaucracy and red tape. To ensure that the real scum (scumbags lawyers) don't get their clients off, the cops have to do everything by the book. Every cunt screams blue murder if the is some poor bastard that gets wrongly convicted - no matter that he was a scumbag anyway. Get some perspective before you judge things.

[Albino]

sheesh, the original post was meant to be some humour...
With all the pc bullshit these days and rights and shit - I'm not surprised. The cops have been bagged so much that they have no choice but to "follow procedure." What seems to be common sense, is hamstrung by bureaucracy and red tape. To ensure that the real scum (scumbags lawyers) don't get their clients off, the cops have to do everything by the book. Every cunt screams blue murder if the is some poor bastard that gets wrongly convicted - no matter that he was a scumbag anyway. Get some perspective before you judge things.

Couldn't agree more. But isn't the problem reinforced by people saying job well done? I say job shockingly done, whether it was people, process or policy that caused it. I'd be right pissed if I was lying in a ditch bleeding while the cops took 2 days to get a warrant while they feared for my safety.

[FROSTY]

Ya know with all the cop bashing and tall poppy bashing goingon in New Zealand could I ask a question?
If its such a problem people WHY NOT GET OFF YA ASS AND DO SOMETHING TO FIX IT ?????

[avgas]

What ticks me off is the fact this guy was in and out of court like a yoyo. I hope they find the scumbag rip his mana to shreds.
Still pissed me off that there isnt an interpol on this guy - nearly a week from the whole incident. What did the aussie's think - he would get halfway to USA and remember that he left something in Aus? turn round come back and say sorry.......never mind the fact that he only just recently had a NZ court case and was expected to attend another.
Anyone know where his samurai sword went to? as i cant imagine it went on the plane with him. I imagine its going to where he is (hint hint interpol).
RED TAPE SUCKS SHIT

[Colapop]

Damn straight! WE are the people who elect f*cking useless politicians into parliament. We let them make crap policy. Maybe if WE got off our arses and started to take notice of what's happening, then things would be a little different

[avgas]

Damn straight! WE are the people who elect f*cking useless politicians into parliament.
Not me - i voted to get rid of the politicians by not voting.
I realise now that doesnt matter - we are fucked and its time to vote for the lesser of 2 evils.

[Pixie]

The Aussie and LA cop are laughing their arses off

[Albino]

With all the pc bullshit these days and rights and shit - I'm not surprised. The cops have been bagged so much that they have no choice but to "follow procedure." What seems to be common sense, is hamstrung by bureaucracy and red tape.

Here's another great example:

Teachers didn't apprehend a 9 year old student that was going beserk and running around with a stick because "they were worried about their safety and the repercussions of manhandling a student."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10464820

[Albino]

You're a retard. Not really anything else to say. I'm glad they're not all rip shit and bust like it seems you would be...

Why thank you. I've dealt with some really nice retarded kids so I'll take that as a compliment. An ex detective disagrees though.... http://www.stuff.co.nz/4207784a10.html

I suspect though that may be the reason he left the force....


"Urgency was the name of the game," the former detective said.

He said there was a possibility she may have been alive when she was put in the boot and was still alive when Mr Xue left Auckland for Melbourne last Thursday.

"Christ, one of your prime duties of your oath of office (as a police officer) is to protect life," he said.

The ex-officer said the police had too many senior officers in the upper echelon who did not "think outside the square and don't know where the jugular is and to go for it and to get their priorities right.

"I don't know if they are scared of all the niceties they think they are supposed to bloody observe or whatever."

[Usarka]

Paperwork should never be used as an excuse for not trying to save someones life.

[marty]

i went to college with D/Sgt simon scott, and i would n't think he would fall into the above description. he is a good hands-on coppa.

and 'Interpol' is not some secret james bond-esque organisation. for the most part ot is just an MOU between police forces to assist in investigations, and interpol is the organisation that acts as the go-between.

my guess is that in the absence of a smoking gun or bloodied crime scene, d/sgt scott is crossing and dotting every letter of the alphabet so his case is watertight. the crimes act allows entry by force for some things, but the admissibility of evidence gained from jemmying open a boot of a car that has been parked on the road for weeks, in full view of all neighbours, when there was plenty of time to get a search warrant (probably one search warrant of a dozen or so applied for) could easily be questined. imagine that - evidence in a murder being thrown out because the correct proceedure had not been followed? how much whingeing would ya'll be doing then?

[marty]

Paperwork should never be used as an excuse for not trying to save someones life.

it's not. the test in the car boot would have been 'was there resonable grounds to suspect that there is a person alive in the boot of this car. if so, we can break into it. if not, there is a paperwork trail to follow'. section 317 of the crimes act is pretty clear.

[mstriumph]

Not me - i voted to get rid of the politicians by not voting.
I realise now that doesnt matter - we are fucked and its time to vote for the lesser of 2 evils.

if the vote was worth anything they'd never let you have one anyway ... :(

[peasea]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10464791
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4207784a10.html

Hmmm, we're looking for some one who we think has been murdered. Do ya think we should check at their house? :Police: Nah lets leave it a couple of days.......

Or

Oh shit, we didn't think to look for a dead body in the boot of a car :Police:

Or

I don't have time for that murder stuff, I've got "performance targets" to achieve. :Police:


Sorry, it's been a while since the last KB cop bash.:girlfight:

You're obviously not reading MY posts.

[marty]

You're obviously not reading MY posts.

Maybe that's cause they don't say anything worth reading.

[COP_B8]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10464791
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4207784a10.html

Hmmm, we're looking for some one who we think has been murdered. Do ya think we should check at their house? :Police: Nah lets leave it a couple of days.......

Or

Oh shit, we didn't think to look for a dead body in the boot of a car :Police:

Or

I don't have time for that murder stuff, I've got "performance targets" to achieve. :Police:


Sorry, it's been a while since the last KB cop bash.:girlfight:

Im sure had it been your house/car the police just wandered into and started stooping around it would be a slightly different story????

Had they ignored legal processes there would be all kinds of fun at trial for defence lawyers surrounding the admissibality of the evidence they found!

[Guitana]

So just another case of beauracracy gone mad!! Sorry you need to fill out form "A" before you can search a murder scene , but if you havent got form 2a, you will have to see your supervisor and organise a 4c form then fill out a 5b to notify the judge you have a 7b!!! Confused FUCK YEAH!!!
I can only imagine what the fuzz feel like they probably all knew she'd been stuffed in the boot of the car!!!
At least these asian immigrants are really tidy when they commit homicide they either stuff them in a suitcase neatly folded or pack them in the boot of a car no messy bodies lying around in the streets!

[Albino]

Im sure had it been your house/car the police just wandered into and started stooping around it would be a slightly different story????

Had they ignored legal processes there would be all kinds of fun at trial for defence lawyers surrounding the admissibality of the evidence they found!

To be honest if the cops broke into my house because they were searching for someone who might be in serious danger I would probably be ok with it even if they got it wrong. As long as that I might request compensation for broken windows or whatever.

Marty - Regarding the reasonable cause part earlier - surely the cops had reasonable cause to believe she was in serious danger. And surely they had reasonable cause to believe their could be clues in the car. Which means they had reasonable cause to believe breaking into the car could save someone in danger. Does this really mean that they still have to get a warrant?

Still shouldn't take 2 days though, regardless.

[COP_B8]

So just another case of beauracracy gone mad!! Sorry you need to fill out form "A" before you can search a murder scene , but if you havent got form 2a, you will have to see your supervisor and organise a 4c form then fill out a 5b to notify the judge you have a 7b!!! Confused FUCK YEAH!!!
I can only imagine what the fuzz feel like they probably all knew she'd been stuffed in the boot of the car!!!
At least these asian immigrants are really tidy when they commit homicide they either stuff them in a suitcase neatly folded or pack them in the boot of a car no messy bodies lying around in the streets!

Beauracracy gone mad............. Basic Human Rights more to the point, like the right to have your car parked on the street and police officers not inspect it when and if they please.

What would your attitude towards the police have been had they bowled in, found the body and then the murderer acquited on the inadmissability of the evidence????

[marty]

To be honest if the cops broke into my house because they were searching for someone who might be in serious danger I would probably be ok with it even if they got it wrong. I might request compensation for broken windows or whatever.

Regarding the reasonable cause part earlier - surely the cops had reasonable cause to believe she was in serious danger. And surely they had reasonable cause to believe their could be clues in the car. Which means they had reasonable cause to believe breaking into the car could save someone in danger. Does this really mean that they still have to get a warrant?

Still shouldn't take 2 days though, regardless.

surely surely surely...

i know, why don't you join up and become a detective and make all the right calls, all the time.

until you know a little more about the crimes act, the summary proceedings act, and how to conduct a murder investigation, i suggest your opinions are pretty naiive and based on watching too much tv.

don't forget, the whole of the country saw the chinese tv car on the news - did anyone ring up the police and say 'hey the body's in the car!'?

[Albino]

surely surely surely...

until you know a little more about the crimes act, the summary proceedings act, and how to conduct a murder investigation, i suggest your opinions are pretty naiive and based on watching too much tv.


Go back and read my post that i edited immediately after i typed it, i was asking for your input on how that worked.

BTW - At the time they were looking for her there was no murder investigation.


i know, why don't you join up and become a detective and make all the right calls, all the time.
So it was a cock up then, not a procedural issue?

[puddy]

Shit. Whatever you are doing for a job, you are wasted there. Join the Police! Too much talkback!:bash:

[Sollyboy]

Ya know with all the cop bashing and tall poppy bashing goingon in New Zealand could I ask a question?
If its such a problem people WHY NOT GET OFF YA ASS AND DO SOMETHING TO FIX IT ?????

What like carry out our own investigations etc etc?
Hey your not the frosty from Darby st days per chance?

[ynot slow]

Easy to be wise after the fact.Agree it seems stupid not to look at her home and vehicle,but as stated prior,if the protocol isn't correctly followed,then a good lawyer gets the case thrown out,we'd be up in arms at the cops for not handling it properly,and justifiably so.

[mstriumph]

Beauracracy gone mad............. Basic Human Rights more to the point, like the right to have your car parked on the street and police officers not inspect it when and if they please.

What would your attitude towards the police have been had they bowled in, found the body and then the murderer acquited on the inadmissability of the evidence????

it must be very frustrating sometimes, being a cop
and the first impulse must be to cross all the t's and dot the i's to avoid that i suppose

-------- but surely there's a happy medium there somewhere?

that child is going to have enough problems growing up mebbe thinking her daddy may have hurt her mummy WITHOUT also having to think about mummy stuffed in a car boot for a week or whatever? ........ thinking that mebbe she actually died in there and could have been saved if someone had found her sooner?

[Usarka]

Sounds like one for the philosophy students..

If some one is believed to be in serious danger, and is probably dead, but possibly alive and hurt, what is more important; finding the victim quickly and possibly destroying evidence in the process, or taking time to preserve evidence so you can catch/punish the offender?

interesting :sherlock:

[Skyryder]

I think one of problems with the delay is the Australian police were the first 'on the scene' so to speak. This was an abandonment inquery. As such they were no doubt unaware of the family background and the history of abuse inflicted on the mother by the father. NZ Police would have responded only to Aussie requests in the initial stages.

The Police were correct in obtaining a warrant before inspecting the car. If they have or do any thing wrong I'll be the first to slam them but in this case they have all by the book as they 'always' should.

Nothing Keystone about our Police Force, just a few who obtain the key when not having permission to do so.

Skyryder

[magicfairy]

The latest:
Auckland police have conceded they could have looked earlier at the car in which Anan Liu's body was found...
....Pearson told Newstalk ZB the inquiry team possibly took too long to look at the car owned by Liu's husband Nai Yin Xue, who is suspected of murdering her.

The car was seized from outside their address in Keystone Ave, Mount Roskill about 11pm on Tuesday night but the body in the boot was not found until 1pm on Wednesday.

"I accept the fact that we may have to take it on the chin that we could have looked at that car maybe a bit quicker," Pearson said.

"We were possibly too cautious in complying with all the regulations and rules and looking towards evidence for court.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/4209985a10.html

[peasea]

I rarely come to the defence of the police but in this case, even though there's an admission they were somewhat tardy in searching the car, they were trying hard to get it right and had many different areas to search. If someone popped a member of my family I think I'd want the evidence gathered in such a way that it all stood up in court when and if the perp was caught.

They've been copping a lot of flak lately (justified or not) and making cockups is unlikely to be on their agenda.

A woman is dead, a child lost her mum and there's an arsehole on the loose. I, for one, would have no idea how to go about setting up a case against such an arsehole based on things like forensic evidence but I would bet it's very complicated. I think the public and the media are being a bit harsh and the benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[Patrick]

it must be very frustrating sometimes, being a cop and the first impulse must be to cross all the t's and dot the i's to avoid that i suppose

-------- but surely there's a happy medium there somewhere?

Yes, it is called common sense... but there is no place for that in the courts....

[Grahameeboy]

I know, I mean if they had looked at the car, they may have stopped her dying eh?

The man thing is they were looking for this geezer and it went from a enquiry to a murder investigation....apart from that I cannot see what else would have changed if they had checked the car out first............or maybe it is not that simple!!

[Patrick]

Bet she was dead for days... stopped emailing her mum, which she did every day, 10 days before the kiddie was abandoned... but if she was dead for 10 days in the boot of the car, the journalist leaning against it would have been alerted to the smell. The blowies would also have given it away...:sick:

[Coldrider]

Trial by Media still going.