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Jackrat
9th October 2004, 18:31
john banks is gone. :bye: :niceone:

toads
9th October 2004, 18:44
interesting isn't it, democracy does work it would seem, quite blew me away actually, I'd given up on anything every changing. Lets hope it extends to parliament

Al
9th October 2004, 18:52
Yeah, about 17000 votes less than Hubbard..... I think he has come down to earth with a solid thump, he really didn't expect to lose hey! :)

Al

Yamahamaman
9th October 2004, 18:57
I'm still waiting for my voting papers to arrive.

Not really democratic is it?

NC
9th October 2004, 19:12
Banks rhymes with Wanks... Arrest my case :yeah:

Posh Tourer :P
9th October 2004, 20:15
Great thread title BTW:D

Yamahamaman
9th October 2004, 20:23
Oh yes, great thread.

That's another post toward my 'whoredem' (if there is such a word - if not, then I have just invented it).

riffer
9th October 2004, 20:28
I'll stand in for them.

Actually, it's whoredom.

which dictionary.com describes as:

whore·dom (hôrhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifdhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gifm, hhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/omacr.gifrhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gif-)
n.
The practice of accepting payment in exchange for sexual relations; prostitution.

Unlawful sexual relations.
Promiscuous sex.

Bible. Unfaithfulness to God; idolatry.

<hr align="left" width="25%">[Middle English<tt> hordom</tt>, from Old Norse<tt> hhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/omacr.gifrdhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/omacr.gifmr</tt>. See<tt> khttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/amacr.gif- </tt>in Indo-European Roots.]

BTW pleased to see Dick Hubbard won. That Banks strikes me as a complete tosser. One week he says "I run a tight ship. Nothing goes on that I don't know about" and the next week its "I had no idea what my campaign manager was up to." And he hangs him out to dry. Not good management or people relations.

Just for that alone I would have voted him out.

Hopefully Dick Hubbard will be good for ACC. What does he stand for?

Posh Tourer :P
9th October 2004, 20:36
Hopefully Dick Hubbard will be good for ACC. What does he stand for?

Women and disabled persons, along with the queen.

He's a fairly decent guy by the sounds of it. His cereal kingdom is run with a lot of inclusion of the workers - he took them all to Samoa for a week a while ago. Socially responsible business and all that.

In terms of his mayoralty, scaled down Eastern Highway, and I would guess some alterations to the rating system if he manages to get enough like-minded people into the council with him (somehow I suspect it'll be all Cits and Rats, but hey) TBH, the cadidates spent more time yelling at each other than promoting policies. Huba Huba seems to be fairly sensible though, on issues such as the V8 Race. I think I recall him saying that he would support a V8 race in Auckland, but not necessarily where it is now.

Yamahamaman
9th October 2004, 20:38
I'll stand in for them.

Actually, it's whoredom.

which dictionary.com describes as:

whore·dom (hôrhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifdhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gifm, hhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/omacr.gifrhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gif-)
n.
The practice of accepting payment in exchange for sexual relations; prostitution.

Unlawful sexual relations.
Promiscuous sex.

Bible. Unfaithfulness to God; idolatry.

<hr align="left" width="25%">[Middle English<tt> hordom</tt>, from Old Norse<tt> hhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/omacr.gifrdhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/omacr.gifmr</tt>. See<tt> khttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/amacr.gif- </tt>in Indo-European Roots.]


But that context is not the definition I wished to convey, therefore it must be a new word - gosh, famous at last :bleh:

MikeL
9th October 2004, 20:56
Hopefully Dick Hubbard will be good for ACC. What does he stand for?

Doesn't matter. A mayor doesn't need a platform. Common sense and an open mind are more important than "principles' which will always be compromised anyway. Hubbard may be a naive idealist, but Banks is a cynical egotist whose vision of what is best for Auckland always seemed to coincide with what was best for his cronies...

toads
10th October 2004, 08:05
It has been my observation that good, law abiding people enter the political arena with all sorts of good intentions, and very rapidly become politician's, aka dishonest, self serving, corrupted individuals.
Maybe I'm just being nasty, it is probably very difficult to swim against the tide, of "this is the way it's done around here", but lets not forget the Mayor does not call the shots, all the other beauracrats that sit in council vote and they are more than likely the same people that were there before.
In Gisborne we have a mini auckland scenario taking place here with the only only candidates for mayor being the current one and a total stranger to politics, a guy who organised a rates protest a few years back, just a joe average!,
It would be quite interesting if he got elected!

Skyryder
10th October 2004, 08:47
As far as council meetings go the Mayor is the Chaiman and as such has more power than people realise. His word is law. That can be questioned and appealed but in the final reckoning if the Mayor wants a discussion terminated he can do it. His role is akin to the Speaker in the House.

Skyryder

toads
10th October 2004, 08:59
I stand corrected,

Jackrat
10th October 2004, 09:14
As far as council meetings go the Mayor is the Chaiman and as such has more power than people realise. His word is law. That can be questioned and appealed but in the final reckoning if the Mayor wants a discussion terminated he can do it. His role is akin to the Speaker in the House.

Skyryder
This is true but he's still going to be entering the same system and he's going to be open to manipulation by that system.
I think maybe this is what Toads ment??
Still it might be nice to have a Mayor who doesn't openly dislike me.

Ms Piggy
10th October 2004, 09:51
john banks is gone. :bye: :niceone:
Good news! Unfortunately John Howard has stayed.

jrandom
10th October 2004, 10:03
Good news! Unfortunately John Howard has stayed.

Banks is a right git. I'm one degree of separation removed from him via a relative of his, and can confirm second-hand that he's just as unpleasant in person as he comes across in the media. His inclusion in any National Party would only hurt its chances; I suspect Brash knows as much.

Dick Hubbard seems like a good chap. If we hear nothing more about him for a couple of years, it probably means he's doing a sterling job.

The competent administration of a large local government structure is never newsworthy. "Mayor continues on even keel." Or perhaps "Governer maintains reasonable unemployment, makes 10% gains on power grid cost deficits." Has anyone heard anything about Mr Schwarzenegger recently? Didn't think so.

jrandom
10th October 2004, 10:06
Good news! Unfortunately John Howard has stayed.

I fear that is but the correct outworking of democracy; he represents the majority Australian viewpoint.

We must remind the Terrorists to take those dodgy '51st state of the Union' Aussies out as well, once they've levelled New York and Washington.

scumdog
10th October 2004, 10:42
Who the hell are Banks and Hubbard anyway? The old primary school headmaster was called Hubbard, would it be him? and Banks, hmm, can't say I know the rooster, ah well, as long as the fine people north of the Bombay Hills are happy with our old headmaster then that's o.k. by me :wacko:

Lou Girardin
10th October 2004, 11:11
Who was sickened by Bank's trembling concession speech? Especially when he thanked Brian Nichole, the man who cost him the election with the NBR article mail-out.
Are people so incapable of recognising/admitting wrong anymore?
Loyalty be damned, Nichole was a devious, lying creep who'd stoop to any tactics to smear Hubbard.
What a Karmic result.
Next step Bush and Blair, shame that Howard slimed into power again.

jrandom
10th October 2004, 11:14
... when he thanked Brian Nichole, the man who cost him the election with the NBR article mail-out.

Do you really think Banks knew nothing about that?

Mr Nichole deserved some thanks for falling on his sword without claiming that he was acting under orders, which he undoubtedly was.

scumdog
10th October 2004, 11:24
Do you really think Banks knew nothing about that?

Mr Nichole deserved some thanks for falling on his sword without claiming that he was acting under orders, which he undoubtedly was.

I hear it was a conspiracy between our old headmaster and that Nichole fellow to get the Banks dude out :doobey:

Ms Piggy
10th October 2004, 12:26
I fear that is but the correct outworking of democracy; he represents the majority Australian viewpoint.

We must remind the Terrorists to take those dodgy '51st state of the Union' Aussies out as well, once they've levelled New York and Washington.
True and correct and disturbing.



Next step Bush and Blair, shame that Howard slimed into power again.
Yes indeed. Do you really think Bush will be voted out though? From what I've heard (which isn't much to be honest) Americans are pretty apathetic, although it's good to see some bands within the music industry trying to influence young people to vote.
http://www.punkvoter.com/ and http://www.bandsagainstbush.org/bayarea/faq.html
Green Day etc, loverly lads aren't they. Kerry is looking a little frightened! Sorry Jackrat OT now.

Hitcher
10th October 2004, 14:48
I always rejoice when bullies get theirs. So John Banks, woo hoo!

So the public does get STV. I believe that this is the best of the proportional voting systems. The reason we got stuck with MMP for national elections is because it had a fervent lobby group. The fact that it is not democratic missed most people's attention.

Australian elections? Go Johnnie Howard. Shows what happens in the absence of a credible alternative. Time will tell whether John Kerry is seen as a credible alternative to George W.

badlieutenant
10th October 2004, 15:35
ask anyone from whangarei if they like Banks, and would they have recommended him for the Auckland job, or even parliment for that matter.
Did anyone hear about that chap who received an award with Banks in the audience ? he politely asked if he could speak to the Hon. mayor. Yes he was told by Banksy. So he asked the mayor "how is it your such a wanker?"
:killingme :killingme

El Dopa
11th October 2004, 05:58
Has anyone heard anything about Mr Schwarzenegger recently? Didn't think so.

Yes. California is still running an unfeasibly large budget defecit, arguably the reason the last guy got kicked out.

He also turned up at the Republican party convention, threatening to 'terminate' the 'girlie-men'.