Moon landing - Fact or fake?

[Disco Dan]

There has been many reports of the moon landing being a fake. However I wanted to post a poll and get a broader idea of how many people think it is a fake.

Look at the video below and tell me that when the guy is 'lifted' off the ground its not fake!

Never was a believer.


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[Steam]

Oh Dan, I'm disappointed in you. Both for being a consipracy theorist dupe, and for not searching before posting.

Did man fly to the moon?? (www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=4069) by Skyryder
Moon landing not a hoax (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=41931) by Deviant Esq


Personally, I find this video below to be the most disturbing evidence of Nasa's coverups.

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For links to sites debunking the conspiracy, go to these:
http://www.clavius.org/
http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/apollohoax.html

If you still believe in it after reading those sites... well... maybe it's time to put on your pyramid-shaped tin-foil hat and head for the hills with your free energy generator and water powered motorcycle.

[Usarka]

Wow they sound like very reputable scientists.

I lile this quote "..asked if I really believe it happened. I said sure, I saw it on television. He disagreed; he said that he din't believe it for a minute, that 'them television fellas' could make things look real that weren't. I thought he was a crank. During my eight years in Washington I saw some things on TV's that made me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time." ~ Bill Clinton.

[idb]

In frame 1,373 of the first moon landing, in the bottom centre of the screen there is an empty Speight's stubbie lying on the ground...draw your own conclusion.

[scumdog]

It was all filmed out at the back of the old open-cast coal-mine at the back of *Kaitangata - I'll show you if you're ever down here.

(*Hence the Speights bottle as mentioned by idb)

[Oakie]

If not, then way too many people would have been involved for someone not to have come forward with a tell-all book or something.

[ManDownUnder]

Moon landing - fact or fiction

Holocaust - fact or fiction.

Bored people looking for anything they can do to stir things up and start a rumour - fact or fiction.

FFS, I have better things to worry about.

[Colapop]

And yet you still felt the need to post something in this thread... :girlfight:

hehehe

[ManDownUnder]

Hey Dan - Feb next year I have a couple of friends coming down to NZ... one female (single...!) who works for, none other than NASA (by that way that's all caps).

Take it up with her. She'll be sure to have an entertaining "chat" about it with you.

[NighthawkNZ]

In frame 1,373 of the first moon landing, in the bottom centre of the screen there is an empty Speight's stubbie lying on the ground...draw your own conclusion.

oh frak I was hoping nobody noticed that... I should have edited that frame... :Oops:

[idb]

Moon landing - fact or fiction

Holocaust - fact or fiction.

Bored people looking for anything they can do to stir things up and start a rumour - fact or fiction.

FFS, I have better things to worry about.

Hmmmm...interesting that you are trying to brush the whole debate under the carpet...what do you know I wonder???

[007XX]

Hey Dan - Feb next year I have a couple of friends coming down to NZ... one female (single...!) who works for, none other than NASA (by that way that's all caps).

Take it up with her. She'll be sure to have an entertaining "chat" about it with you.

And you will seriously expect him to hear any of what she will actually say? :whistle:

Me thinks he'll be more enclined to see her moons...:dodge:

[johan]

Don't forget it was ET who brought us the microwave.

[Steam]

oh frak ...
Har har, Battlestar Geek!:2thumbsup

[SimJen]

these useless conspiracy theorists. You can pick anything apart and produce a doco claiming it was fiction. With enough camera abberations, and struck off so called "experts" anything can be deemed to have not happened.
Fox was well critisised for its crapumentary on the moon landing. All of the "experts" concerned were later ripped apart by journalists who proved that they had agenda's!
Why should we have to prove something happened when its beyond the simple understanding of non-intellectuals, when it is them that need to catergorically prove that they are right!
Everything they came up with has an explanation.
Such as "why are no stars ever seen in photographs of the men on the moons surface"
basic photography 101! the camera meters the scene for correct exposure and the less bright stars will get lost as it meters for the bright foreground!
People need to stop questioning everything.
There was a total of six moon landings from 1969 - 1972.
From wikipedia:
Many conspiracy theorists insist that the Apollo moon landings were a hoax. These accusations flourish in part because predictions by enthusiasts that Moon landings would become commonplace have not yet come to pass. Some claims can be empirically discredited by three retroreflector arrays left on the Moon by Apollo 11, 14 and 15. Today, anyone on Earth with an appropriate laser and telescope system may bounce laser beams off of these devices, verifying deployment of the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment at historically documented Apollo moon landing sites.

see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_Landing_hoax_accusations

[Finn]

Some claims can be empirically discredited by three retroreflector arrays left on the Moon by Apollo 11, 14 and 15.

Not to mention a half empty bottle of Speights. Yes, even after 5 days in space without a beer, a desperate Mr Armstrong found the "Pride of the South" beverage completely intolerable.

[Mental Trousers]

Good old fake moon landing theories eh. Such a pleasant way to giggle away the hours. How people can talk themselves into believing that crap is beyond me. Apparently it's ok to ignore the fact all of those so called experts were discredited after they claimed the landings were fakes.
I would say that if anything has been faked it's the number of landings, ie they made more than has been revealed and there's a secret US military base on the dark side of the moon!!!!! (kidding)

[SimJen]

Nasa are now talking of a habitable moon base by 2020 according to current news reports!
We'll send all the conspiracy loons, to the moon! and they can see for themselves.

[Disco Dan]

I think that NASA have indeed been to the moon, however NASA did not want the public to see what is really there and created the fake footage.

[Disco Dan]

Hey Dan - Feb next year I have a couple of friends coming down to NZ... one female (single...!) who works for, none other than NASA (by that way that's all caps).

Take it up with her. She'll be sure to have an entertaining "chat" about it with you.

I did not this NZ had a runway long enough for a space shuttle landing? :laugh:

[jrandom]

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[NighthawkNZ]

Such as "why are no stars ever seen in photographs of the men on the moons surface"
basic photography 101! the camera meters the scene for correct exposure and the less bright stars will get lost as it meters for the bright foreground!


I have always like this one too... yes basic photography 101! I also like how the keep saying why is it all the photos that were taken are perfect contrast and in focus and aligned when the cameras were mounted on the suit etc...

There were over 6000 photo's taken there are only about 10% that made it to the paste the cutting room floor like hello

the angles of the shadows... again basic photography 101!

The moon dust not floating away on from the rover... basic science 101. Dust floats on oxygen... there is no oxygen for it to float on therefore the gravity of the moon pulls it back down quicker...

No dust on the landing gear. first off it would have been blown away from the retro rockets firing, and fine particles were even most likely vapourised and as for not sticking to the gear... come on... sandpit science... go to a sand pit pick up a handfull of dry sand... go to wall, throw at wall... does sand stick to wall.... ummm noooo... go back to sand pit add water... walk back to wall throw damp sand at wall, does sand stick... is there mositure on the moon...

Flag pole, no atmosphere to make flag flutter, and no atmosphere to stop flag from fluttering. When the astronaught put the pole in the ground they commented on that the first few inches was soft dust and then it was solid hard and struggled to push the pole in... the pole was a light aluminum pole that has some spring to it, this caused the flutter, since the moon has no atmosphere there was nothing to stop the the spring action of the pole and or fluttering action of the flag... basic science 101.

The launch... well the conspiracy theorists say the rockets wouldn't be powerfull enough to relauch... crap... th emoons gravity is 1/6 of Earth and therefore needing a less powerful rocket and a lot shorter burst.

The landing. On Eath they struggled landing in the test modual built for the pilots to practise on, this is well know... we only get to see the footage of the crashes and mishaps not the hundreds of successful flights... with the added gravity (1g) of the modual needed alot more correcting to stay stable, this resulted in alot of over correcting. In the zero g of space it was alot easier to control, as was it on the 1/6g of the moons gravity during the landing as well as the fine tuning of the controls and gear.


Some claims can be empirically discredited by three retroreflector arrays left on the Moon by Apollo 11, 14 and 15. Today, anyone on Earth with an appropriate laser and telescope system may bounce laser beams off of these devices, verifying deployment of the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment at historically documented Apollo moon landing sites.

And I always like the doco that showed this, and not once have the conspiracy theorists asked about this...they seem to stere clear of it

[007XX]

<img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/youtube.png"/>

WOW...that is comical, in an absurd kind of way!:wacko:

Where is that gene-o-clean bottle???:p

[jrandom]

WOW...that is comical, in an absurd kind of way!:wacko:

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[007XX]

:laugh:-----------:niceone:----------:clap:

[imdying]

I did not this NZ had a runway long enough for a space shuttle landing? :laugh:Yep, Christchurch does, it was one of the reasons why they extended it iirc.

[idb]

I think that NASA have indeed been to the moon, however NASA did not want the public to see what is really there and created the fake footage.

NASA had been working on the assumption that the moon was made from green cheese...as everyone knew.
Unfortunately, when they got there they found that it was in fact made out of butter, a completely different type of dairy product and one for which their craft and instruments were completely unsuited.
They were unable to land safely and had to turn around and come home again.
Of course this would have upset their sponsors and caused much merriment from behind the Iron Curtain so they had to do something fast.

The decision was made to fake a landing but there was no way that they could get hold of enough butter in time so the idea of claiming that the moon was in fact made out of rocks and sand was hit upon...this was much easier to get a hold of without causing suspicion.
After the first deception the lie had to be continued and so subsequent "moon landings" were also staged.

Of course this will all unravel if an independent company finally gets to the moon and finds out for themselves what's really there.
This explains the real purpose of the U.S. military space programme which is to create a cordon about the earth to stop anyone else getting off to look for themselves..." sorry about blasting your little rocket ship to smithereens fellas, we had a malfunction and our geosynchronously positioned laser thingamebob accidentally identified it as an ICBM, we'll have it sorted in time for your next go...".
It won't take too many incidents like that before the private crowd runs out of money.

This has all been confirmed by anonymous insiders with beards and lab coats.

[-df-]

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I can't seem to play the video...have you embedded it correctly?

[NighthawkNZ]

NASA had been working on the assumption that the moon was made from green cheese...as everyone knew.
Unfortunately, when they got there they found that it was in fact made out of butter, a completely different type of dairy product and one for which their craft and instruments were completely unsuited...

Butter... I thought it was cream cheese from when the cow jumped over the moon... and smacked into the flying pig that landed on the white elephant... :scratch:

:whistle:

[007XX]

Butter... I thought it was cream cheese from when the cow jumped over the moon... and smacked into the flying pig that landed on the white elephant... :scratch:

:whistle:

Personally, I'm still worried about the giant bunny that's supposed to live there...:crazy:

[NighthawkNZ]

Personally, I'm still worried about the giant bunny that's supposed to live there...:crazy:

and apparently some scary man in the moon :crazy:

[peasea]

Personally, I'm still worried about the giant bunny that's supposed to live there...:crazy:


Also, if man hasn't been to the moon how do you explain the Great Cheese Glut of the Seventies? Huh? Explain that!

[Usarka]

Read Omon Ra by victor pelevin, it's about russias moon mission.


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Omon-Ra-Viktor-Pelevin/dp/0571177980/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/203-8546879-3366351?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190770422&sr=8-1

[caesius]

Gotta love conspiracies and the morons behind them.

[007XX]

and apparently some scary man in the moon :crazy:

:confused: So that's where the boogy man was hiding...makes sense now!:yes:



Also, if man hasn't been to the moon how do you explain the Great Cheese Glut of the Seventies? Huh? Explain that!

When exactly in the 70's? I may not have been born... :o

[peasea]

Read Omon Ra by victor pelevin, it's about russias moon mission.


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Omon-Ra-Viktor-Pelevin/dp/0571177980/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/203-8546879-3366351?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190770422&sr=8-1

Probably could be done with a pencil, three mirrors and some sticky tape.
But yes, ultimately "it's all in yer 'ead"

[Usarka]

Gotta love conspiracies and the morons behind them.

Almost as bad as those morons who believe everything that the media and governments tell them. bahahahaha

sanity isn't at either of the extremes :wacko:

[oldrider]

If they didn't go there, who cares, nobody else has been there to check up anyway!

Sort of a bit like some one who claims they are only acting on God's instructions, if you do or don't believe them, it just doesn't matter!

Only in your own head! :shit: John.

[pzkpfw]

14 people (so far) voted fake?

Geez.

They'd be the ones who indicate right when exiting a roundabout, and believe a holographic plane firing missiles was remotely flown into the WTC.

[hazard02]

One of my favourite points of view..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcoyiJdeWT4

Buzz Aldrin offers a convincing opposing argument when harassed by one of the conspiracy nuts.
"You're a coward, and a liar, and a *SMACK IN THE KISSER*..."

[pzkpfw]

One of my favourite points of view..

Sweet. What a dude.

[Finn]

One of my favourite points of view..

Buzz Aldrin offers a convincing opposing argument when harassed by one of the conspiracy nuts.
"You're a coward, and a liar, and a *SMACK IN THE KISSER*..."

Ha, ha, that's a classic. Good find.

[GaZBur]

I has to be true because if the Americans didn't get to the moon how do you explain the space junk found by Wallace and Grommit when they went there!!! Explain that away!!! Nya - ha! You can't can you - and I saw that Wallace and Grommit movie myself with my own eyes so it can't have been faked can it.

[doc]

Just a word of advice from someone who was alive way back then but doesn't remember the actual landing. Go and get the movie "Capricorn One", watch it and then tell me if you believe it .

[Edbear]

Hey Dan - Feb next year I have a couple of friends coming down to NZ... one female (single...!) who works for, none other than NASA (by that way that's all caps).

Take it up with her. She'll be sure to have an entertaining "chat" about it with you.



'Slong as she's not wearing nappies...:shutup:

[pzkpfw]

Just a word of advice from someone who was alive way back then but doesn't remember the actual landing. Go and get the movie "Capricorn One", watch it and then tell me if you believe it .

Movies require a willing suspension of disbelief from the audience. If you think "Capricorn One" shows that a hoax was possible, your suspension of disbelief has crossed over into reality.

[doc]

Movies require a willing suspension of disbelief from the audience. If you think "Capricorn One" shows that a hoax was possible, your suspension of disbelief has crossed over into reality.
Many believe what Hollywood produces, is true. I prefer cartoons "Shrek" was very good. "Nemo" was so close to home.

[NighthawkNZ]

Movies require a willing suspension of disbelief from the audience. If you think "Capricorn One" shows that a hoax was possible, your suspension of disbelief has crossed over into reality.

though that movie was pretty kewl, it had more holes in the story line than a cheese greater has...


:whocares: if they walked the moon or not... if they didn't how did they keep the Russians quiet who were watching closer than me looking at porn

[peasea]

I has to be true because if the Americans didn't get to the moon how do you explain the space junk found by Wallace and Grommit when they went there!!! Explain that away!!! Nya - ha! You can't can you - and I saw that Wallace and Grommit movie myself with my own eyes so it can't have been faked can it.

Yes, more facts, solid evidence etc, those two really had some technology didn't they?

[Skyryder]

Me thinks he'll be more enclined to see her moons...:dodge:

I'd be more interested in her mons.:girlfight:

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Just a word of advice from someone who was alive way back then but doesn't remember the actual landing. Go and get the movie "Capricorn One", watch it and then tell me if you believe it .

Good movie but that was all it was. A movie. Given the penchant that Americans can not keep a secret if the moon landing was a fake that would now be well known. Now there's a rebuttal to this.

When the government wants to discredit the truth the truth becomes a conspiracy theory. Given the fact that conspiracy theories are an American thing and the Americans are the worlds worst at keeping secrets it stands to reason that all conspiracy theories must have their origin in the American government. When the truth comes out that is different from the official version out come conspiracy theory.

Now if you believe that you are a confirmed conspiritorialophobe. In other words you will believe anything.

Skyryder

[Swoop]

The "new" X-Prize might finally prove things.

Starship One won the first X-Prize by being launched into orbit twice within a short time turnaround.
The next competition invites contestants to land a rover on the moon. Bonus payable if they can land near sites of previous landings.

[Steam]

Read Omon Ra by victor pelevin, it's about russias moon mission.

I went to the library and got it out, good book.

The Plot:
The Russians sent young cosmonauts to the moon on supposed "unmanned probes" because their automated technology wasn't good enough. One way missions of course.
Once there, the cosmonaut was expected to complete the robot's mission, then shoot himself in the head before he ran out of oxygen.
But THEN, (SPOILER!) the suicide gun misfired, and he found he didn't run out of air, and in fact was on a sound stage under Moscow!!
Even the cosmonaut didn't know!

It's a literary book, quite sad and hilarious at the same time. Translated into English from the original Russian.

[scrivy]

You can't tell me that they landed on the moon!
Nasa experts will refute any hoax claim made. But since they are the experts, and they knew what the conditions were, and what was required to get there, they are in the box seat to try and dispel any myth.

There is just too much invalid data to suggest it was real.
Doesn't the USA have a freedom of information law that enables all information to be made available after 50 years?? Maybe we'll know for sure then??? :wacko::shifty:

[NighthawkNZ]

http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/

[pzkpfw]

But since they are the experts, and they knew what the conditions were, and what was required to get there, they ...

... maybe used that knowledge to actually get there?



There is just too much invalid data to suggest it was real.

Like what?



Doesn't the USA have a freedom of information law that enables all information to be made available after 50 years?? Maybe we'll know for sure then???

This is the sort of thing they'd never ever be able to have revealed, if faked.

...and they'd have known, if it had been faked, that one day the truth would have to come out.


(Most Goverments have limitations on what can be revealed, U.S. freedom of information laws are no exception; but that wouldn't have stopped a hoax being revealed. [Which it hasn't.])

[Laava]

Me, I was very impressed recently [this or last year] when Buzz Aldrin absolutely smashed this journalist in the face when he attempted to disrepute the lunar landing. It's prob on you tube. I'll go and have a look.

[Strider]

Moon landing may be fake, but roswell was real.

[Wolf]

Well, Elvis dun tole me it wuz faked when I met him in Walmart - ya see, when them ayleeuns done took him away they gave him a tuer of the moon and he seed with his own eyes that no one from Earth has ever bin there. Ceptin' him and a couple others who went for a ride in one o' them UFOs, of course...

[idb]

Well, Elvis dun tole me it wuz faked when I met him in Walmart - ya see, when them ayleeuns done took him away they gave him a tuer of the moon and he seed with his own eyes that no one from Earth has ever bin there. Ceptin' him and a couple others who went for a ride in one o' them UFOs, of course...

I find it very hard to accept that you have a Walmart in Hamilton...has anyone else seen it or just you?

[Grahameeboy]

So it must have been a fake moon as well then:whistle:

[Wolf]

I find it very hard to accept that you have a Walmart in Hamilton...has anyone else seen it or just you?
It's there but it's hidden so's Elvis can shop in peace, known only to those of us trusted to know The Troof(tm) - s'all parta the conspearsie.

[scrivy]

Back in the early/mid 70's, my mother actually talked to Buzz one on one at an aviation conference in Australia.
Even before the conspiracy theories had emerged, she asked him some simple questions (cause she had a few brains in her head), and she said he blushed and then walked away - as if ashamed!! She came home saying that in her mind the moon landing never happened!
My mother is dead now, but I know she never lied, ever - something that I could not say about NASA.

During the Gemini/Mercury/Appollo testing missions, they had tens of thousands of issues/problems that each could have terminated a mission to the moon. How then could they have no problems when doing all the functions together required for a moon landing and return!! The probability of no major issues is enormous!!

Why don't all the doubters in the world pay $1 each to fund a satellite that will map the surface of the moon in its entirity - -then we'll see who's right or who's wrong!

With all the bluffing and one-upmanship going on in the 'Cold' world back in the 60's, just how much would a country pay to prove that they are the dominant superpower?!

Not convinced :sunny:

[007XX]

Well, Elvis dun tole me it wuz faked when I met him in Walmart - ya see, when them ayleeuns done took him away they gave him a tuer of the moon and he seed with his own eyes that no one from Earth has ever bin there. Ceptin' him and a couple others who went for a ride in one o' them UFOs, of course...

Dang! Dat boy's sure's got a pwetty mouth...Travis get them damn dog out o'the truck, ya'hear?!?


Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhh....*shooting potatoe gun at the sais moon, as completley shitfaced on Mooshine...*

Anyway, as you were!

[007XX]

I'd be more interested in her mons.:girlfight:

Skyryder

:lol::lol::lol:

I really do love how I am learning new words everyday on this site:

mons pubis n. , pl. montes pubis . A rounded fleshy protuberance situated over the pubic bones that becomes covered with hair during puberty.

:clap::clap:

[Wolf]

:lol::lol::lol:

I really do love how I am learning new words everyday on this site:

mons pubis n. , pl. montes pubis . A rounded fleshy protuberance situated over the pubic bones that becomes covered with hair during puberty.

:clap::clap:
The education system these days! I instantly knew what Skyryder was on about. One benefit to being an old fart, I guess. :devil2:

[007XX]

The education system these days! I instantly knew what Skyryder was on about. One benefit to being an old fart, I guess. :devil2:

Or of being born english speaking...something I lack I'm afraid! :bleh:

Besides, even old farts can be shown a few new things! :innocent:

[GaZBur]

I just assumed this thread was started to get joke responses, but it appears I was wrong. If I though it was meant to be real I wouldn't have bothered to make my previous post although I do really believe Wallace and Grommit got to the moon as I did evidence the film footage with my own eyes.
What I don't believe however is that the moon landing was faked, that crop circles are made by aliens, that some aliens actually enjoy abducting and probing the backsides of every second hick in backwater America and that the world was created in 6 days about 10,000 years ago.
I look forward to seeing futher posts, however if you have proof of these things please reference where you get the miss-information from so we can all see who is putting this stuff out there and have a good laugh!!!

[scrivy]

http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/TheNews.html

Hardcase....

[SimJen]

You can't tell me that they landed on the moon!
Nasa experts will refute any hoax claim made. But since they are the experts, and they knew what the conditions were, and what was required to get there, they are in the box seat to try and dispel any myth.

There is just too much invalid data to suggest it was real.
Doesn't the USA have a freedom of information law that enables all information to be made available after 50 years?? Maybe we'll know for sure then??? :wacko::shifty:

AND

Back in the early/mid 70's, my mother actually talked to Buzz one on one at an aviation conference in Australia.
Even before the conspiracy theories had emerged, she asked him some simple questions (cause she had a few brains in her head), and she said he blushed and then walked away - as if ashamed!! She came home saying that in her mind the moon landing never happened!
My mother is dead now, but I know she never lied, ever - something that I could not say about NASA.

During the Gemini/Mercury/Appollo testing missions, they had tens of thousands of issues/problems that each could have terminated a mission to the moon. How then could they have no problems when doing all the functions together required for a moon landing and return!! The probability of no major issues is enormous!!

Why don't all the doubters in the world pay $1 each to fund a satellite that will map the surface of the moon in its entirity - -then we'll see who's right or who's wrong!

With all the bluffing and one-upmanship going on in the 'Cold' world back in the 60's, just how much would a country pay to prove that they are the dominant superpower?!

Not convinced

Jeez mate, I never knew people like you existed.....not.
Its nice to think your mother never lied, I've never met anyone that hasn't told a lie. She must have been more honest than Mother Theresa.
So all the "MASSIVE" evidence supporting the moon landing has completely missed you! You would rather believe a tiny amount of "Conspiracy", big ups to ya.
I have found that people who have little to no comprehension of difficult to understand things, almost always dispute the hard facts when something seems to be above their knowledge base.
This seems to be the case with the moon landings......
The fact that the mirrors on the moons surface placed by manned missions can be shot at with lasers from earth etc, also doesn't get comprehended by these people.
I suppose electronics are actually "Voodoo Magic" because all that computer code could not be written by mere Humans!

[Usarka]

The fact that the mirrors on the moons surface placed by manned missions can be shot at with lasers from earth etc, also doesn't get comprehended by these people.

But you cannot say 100% that these were placed there by the manned apollo missions.

if it really was a conspiracy do you not think those smart nasa guys wouldn't have thunk of that?

[Finn]

She came home saying that in her mind the moon landing never happened! My mother is dead now,

Well you believe is conspiracy theories, maybe Buzz had something to do with it.

[Wolf]

Well you believe is conspiracy theories, maybe Buzz had something to do with it.
Watch it, don't even say that in jest - he packs a hell of a punch.

[scrivy]

I have found that people who have little to no comprehension of difficult to understand things, almost always dispute the hard facts when something seems to be above their knowledge base.
This seems to be the case with the moon landings......
The fact that the mirrors on the moons surface placed by manned missions can be shot at with lasers from earth etc, also doesn't get comprehended by these people.
I suppose electronics are actually "Voodoo Magic" because all that computer code could not be written by mere Humans!

Yeah, great reply! You're a legend!
As you stated, I must be friggin thick I guess!! For I don't believe in God either! Nor do I believe in the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny, Santa, aliens or monsters in general - but hold on - millions of people do!! We even try to convince our kids to believe in lies!! I say again, I must be thick, cause I don't agree with the masses.

I like to prove to myself beyond reasonable doubt, that something is possible or plausible. Not just cause someone else says so.

As for the mirrors, who says they were put there by manned missions??
Lots of countries have put all sorts of objects on different lunar masses!

As far as the computer code goes - I used to write it when I was 14!! I even had programs published in a few publications when I was 14. Not bad for someone with little to no comprehension of difficult to understand things eh. But once again - I must have been over come by your idea of "Voodoo Magic". Simply I can't have done it cause no one told me I could do it. Is that your logic??
I also held a commercial pilots licence too. But I don't now - it seems to be above my knowledge base.
Don't summise someone that you don't know - You just make an ass of yourself!
Not every 'non-believer' is a thick individual that you imply.

[GaZBur]

http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/TheNews.html

Hardcase....

OK - now after looking at that link I am really fascinated - because if its on the internet it must be true, everybody knows that hah ha!
For a moment you had me thinking you actually believed it yourself, well done the jokes on all of us!!!

[Finn]

Watch it, don't even say that in jest - he packs a hell of a punch.

Yeah I saw Buzz take out that activist. Nice upper cut.

[SimJen]

Yeah, great reply! You're a legend!
As you stated, I must be friggin thick I guess!! For I don't believe in God either! Nor do I believe in the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny, Santa, aliens or monsters in general - but hold on - millions of people do!! We even try to convince our kids to believe in lies!! I say again, I must be thick, cause I don't agree with the masses.

I like to prove to myself beyond reasonable doubt, that something is possible or plausible. Not just cause someone else says so.

As for the mirrors, who says they were put there by manned missions??
Lots of countries have put all sorts of objects on different lunar masses!

As far as the computer code goes - I used to write it when I was 14!! I even had programs published in a few publications when I was 14. Not bad for someone with little to no comprehension of difficult to understand things eh. But once again - I must have been over come by your idea of "Voodoo Magic". Simply I can't have done it cause no one told me I could do it. Is that your logic??
I also held a commercial pilots licence too. But I don't now - it seems to be above my knowledge base.
Don't summise someone that you don't know - You just make an ass of yourself!
Not every 'non-believer' is a thick individual that you imply.

I'm not the one thats made an ass of myself. I'm not a conspiracy lover!
I suppose you think 9/11 was a government run plot too!
If you are as bright as you say you are then you would of gathered all the facts and gleaned an opinion.
From what I've seen of "ALL" the facts, Man did land on the moon!
None of what the conspiracists have come up with has held up and can all be discounted by simple methods (which seemingly have "as usual" for conspiricists been conveniently overlooked).
If you like to be different from the crowd, then fine, but your opinion is based on illogical findings based on others illogical findings with an agenda.
I applaud you for believing what you believe and standing up for it..... :)

[scrivy]

Jeez mate, I never knew people like you existed.....not.
So all the "MASSIVE" evidence supporting the moon landing has completely missed you! You would rather believe a tiny amount of "Conspiracy", big ups to ya.
I have found that people who have little to no comprehension of difficult to understand things, almost always dispute the hard facts when something seems to be above their knowledge base.
I suppose electronics are actually "Voodoo Magic" because all that computer code could not be written by mere Humans!

Is that your idea of applauding someone with a different idea to yourself?? Being condascending and belittling?
When did I say I was a conspiracy lover?? I cant recall! How did you get that idea - just cause I didn't believe in the moon landings?? Get real!!
You assuming again?

Good that we live in a free country eh.

[idb]

The education system these days! I instantly knew what Skyryder was on about. One benefit to being an old fart, I guess. :devil2:

Mis-spell!!!
You meant old perv.

[SimJen]

Technically its not a free country :)
Not while Hellen is running it
Believe what you will, I do.....and I don't give a shit if you don't believe what I do.

[scumdog]

Back in the early/mid 70's, my mother actually talked to Buzz one on one at an aviation conference in Australia.
Even before the conspiracy theories had emerged, she asked him some simple questions (cause she had a few brains in her head), and she said he blushed and then walked away - as if ashamed!! Not convinced :sunny:

You mother probably had her fly open!

Do you REALLY think that after all those interviews, talks, questions after the moon landing that Buzz would STILL blush and walk away from a 'simple' question???

[idb]

Hmmmmmmmmm....
*stares into middle distance, slight frown, tapping chin with forefinger*

[Ocean1]

Or of being born english speaking...something I lack I'm afraid! :bleh:

Besides, even old farts can be shown a few new things! :innocent:

Well I wasn't born speaking Inglish, (it was a form of very fluent gibberish) and I knew exactly what he meant. Guess we learn about what interests us huh?

Seem to recall that the word in question has it's roots in the French... your attention was obviously elsewhere that day eh?

[007XX]

Seem to recall that the word in question has it's roots in the French... your attention was obviously elsewhere that day eh?

mons
from L. mons (pl. montes) "mountain," used in various anatomical senses, esp. mons Veneris "mountains of Love," fleshy eminence atop the vaginal opening, 1693; often mons for short.

Latin based, but then again, so is Italian, spanish...

:bleh:

[Steam]

http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/TheNews.html
MOON LANDINGS WERE HOAX!
The world was shaken to the very core yesterday as it was once and for all proven that the Moon Landings were faked. President Bush has ordered an immediate investigation and promised that all those found to be involved with this deception shall be brought to justice.

SCIENTISTS BAFFLED

Prof. William Stevens (58) looks justifiably embarrassed. "I simply can't explain it." He said to reporters outside his University offices yesterday. "Why didn't I notice this before?"

40 YEARS STUDY

"I've spent 40 years in astronomical study, and 20 years of that specifically in Satellite Systems study. I have a University chair in three major Universities and sat on 5 different governmental committees on Space Exploration. Hell, I wrote a research paper on the Lunar Landings that took 18 months to research, then a further 3 months just to proof-read." Steven pauses to scratch his head. "Yet not once did it occur to me to wonder who filmed Armstrong as he stepped onto the moon. How could I have been so dumb?"

BRAINIAC

"I gave a seminar on it in at the 1979 Space Exploration and Planetary Science Conference at Oxford before 200 experts in the field. Yet not one of those dumb-asses thought to stick up a hand and tell me about the deadly Van Allen belt. I suppose we really should have just stayed at home, watched TV and drunk beer, just like Carl Wilson. He sure is one brainiac!"

TOTAL MORON

"I mean how freaking stupid are we!? All those years of study and not once did it cross my mind about how hot the moon was. What am I, a total moron?"

STUPID

But Prof. Stevens is not alone. He is just one of literally thousands of supposedly highly educated men and woman fooled by this blatantly obvious hoax. Take Dr. Hitomo Tsujimura, a geologist with 24 years experience in rock formation and planetary techtonics. Dr Tsujimura examined lunar rock samples as part of her original doctorate studies in Japan . Since then she has gone on to become a foremost expert in lunar rocks, lecturing across the world to students and enthusiast alike. But now it seems her life-work has been nothing but a sham. "Now I am feeling very stupid," she says, speaking from her 200 million Yen research laboratories in Tokoyo. "After all those years of tests I did on the rocks I could have sworn they were from the moon. I spent years getting samples from NASA, but now I realize I could have just made my own in the microwave! We're shutting this place down next week. We may have 20 trained scientists at work here with the very latest in technology, but we couldn't spot a cow in a bunkbed. We are soooo stupid! Already 5 of the staff have committed suicide through the shame of it all. It is very bad."

[Ocean1]

mons
from L. mons (pl. montes) "mountain," used in various anatomical senses, esp. mons Veneris "mountains of Love," fleshy eminence atop the vaginal opening, 1693; often mons for short.

Latin based, but then again, so is Italian, spanish...

:bleh:

So... (straying dangerously on-topic here)... Mons Olympus would have to be a real eye opener huh?

[Pixie]

Lisa: Mom! Dad! Look, this biography of Peter Ueberroth is only
99c. And I found the new Al Gore book. [holds it up]
Marge: "Sane Planning, Sensible Tomorrow."
Lisa: Yeah, I hope it's as exciting as his other book, "Rational
Thinking, Reasonable Future".
Bart: I'm getting this book on UFOs. ["Unidentified Flying
Outrage!"] Did you know they're real, but there's a huge
government conspiracy to cover it up?
Lisa: Oh, that's just a paranoid fantasy.
[the man runs Lisa's book over the scanner]
[a signal travels down through the scanner, over wires, to a
satellite dish, up to a satellite, and down to the Pentagon]
[a man in uniform grabs a printout and dashes off to the White
House]
Officer: Mr. Vice President! Someone finally bought a copy of your
book, sir.
Al Gore: Well, this calls for a celebration.
[puts on a Kool 'n' the Gang record: "Celebrate good times...
"]
I will.
-- Celebrating sanely for a sensible tomorrow, "Grampa vs. Sexual
Inadequacy"



From his treehouse, through a telescope, Bart observes men chugging the
tonic and running indoors to their female partners.

Bart: OK, it's not _painfully_ clear the adults are _definitely_
paving the way for an invasion by the saucer people.
Milhouse: You fool! Can't you see it's a massive government conspiracy?
Or have they gotten to you too?
[he and Bart start wrestling]
Lisa: Hey! Hey, hey, stop it! Stop it! Why are you guys jumping
to such ridiculous conclusions? Haven't you ever heard of
Occam's Razor? "The simplest explanation is probably the
correct one."
Bart: [condescending] So what's the simplest explanation?
Lisa: I don't know. Maybe they're all reverse vampires and they
have to get home before dark.
Everyone: Aah! Reverse vampires! Reverse vampires!
[Lisa sighs]
-- "Grampa vs. Sexual Inadequacy"


In the treehouse, the neighborhood kids try to figure out what's up with
the adults.

Bart: So finally, we're all in agreement about what's going on with
the adults. Milhouse?
Milhouse: [steps up to blackboard] Ahem. OK, here's what we've got: the
Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people --
Bart: Thank you.
Milhouse: -- under the supervision of the reverse vampires --
Lisa: [sighs]
Milhouse: -- are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish
plot to eliminate the meal of dinner. [sotto voce] We're
through the looking glass, here, people...
-- A conspiracy theory Oliver Stone would be proud of, "Grampa vs.
Sexual Inadequacy"

[GaZBur]

http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/TheNews.html
MOON LANDINGS WERE HOAX!
The world was shaken...."

OK Steam - sorry I gotta ask why you quoted that article - curiosity and all that got the better of me as its hard to tell.
Do you actually believe the article is real and intended to be read as fact or are you just winding people up?

[scumdog]

So... (straying dangerously on-topic here)... Mons Olympus would have to be a real eye opener huh?

More temporary off-topic stuff:
Well actually your 'eye' would have been meant to fit inside it so no, it would not be an eye opener.

[imdying]

Do you actually believe the article is real and intended to be read as fact or are you just winding people up?Of course he believes it's real!!!! :rofl:

[Skyryder]

OK Steam - sorry I gotta ask why you quoted that article - curiosity and all that got the better of me as its hard to tell.
Do you actually believe the article is real and intended to be read as fact or are you just winding people up?

Yep I saw the article and it's factual. Steam left out the bit that the moon shot went off course due to a navigation fault in automatic pilot and headed for Mars. Poor buggers are still there waiting for NASA to go and get them. Problem is Kennedy got shot. NASA made no contingency plans for that.:beer:

Skyryder

[idb]

OK Steam - sorry I gotta ask why you quoted that article - curiosity and all that got the better of me as its hard to tell.
Do you actually believe the article is real and intended to be read as fact or are you just winding people up?

be careful what you ask...they might be watching!!!

[scrivy]

Do you REALLY think that after all those interviews, talks, questions after the moon landing that Buzz would STILL blush and walk away from a 'simple' question???

Actually, Buzz and co. weren't permitted to talk to people about it!! So I don't know about 'all those interviews' etc. :shit:

[Steam]

OK Steam - sorry I gotta ask why you quoted that article - curiosity and all that got the better of me as its hard to tell.
Do you actually believe the article is real and intended to be read as fact or are you just winding people up?

giggle...:clap:
giggle
heehee..:niceone:

hahehahehehe:laugh:

ha hahHA ha eheHAHAH:laugh:
BWaaaahHA HA hah ha aha! :laugh::laugh:
oooooAHahahAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHA:rofl::rofl::laugh::la ugh:
Ma HA HA HA HA HA!

Oh lord, I just gotta laugh. It's either that or smash my head repeatedly against the wall. Over to you, professor.

[Wolf]

Whew! Steady on, Steam, you'll bust a gut.

[GaZBur]

giggle...:clap:
giggle
heehee..:niceone:
...
Ma HA HA HA HA HA!

Oh lord, I just gotta laugh. It's either that or smash my head repeatedly against the wall. Over to you, professor.
Good on yer mate!!! Let me in on it next time and I will say something real controversial and perhaps we could start a real flame war! Hope your admission does not slow down the tread. So can anyone think of a topic controversial enough - but silly and funny too for another thread as this one probably doesn't have a lot more life in it!

[NighthawkNZ]

The and astronaughts on the moon the "Superman II". It was in colour and it is amercian so it must be true... :blah: :bleh:

[pzkpfw]

About the mirrors:


But you cannot say 100% that these were placed there by the manned apollo missions.

This seems to suggest the mirrors were placed some other way (remotely).

1. Who designed the equipment that placed the mirrors?
2. Who built the equipment that placed the mirrors?
3. Who controlled the equipment that placed the mirrors?
4. How did no one watching the Apollo missions notice?
etc.

Now, as well as saying Apollo was faked, you've added a secret mission to place mirrors on the moon.

Conspiracy theories generally have to grow and grow to keep up with all the claims being made; until they become far less likely than the real event.

Cheers,

[pzkpfw]

During the Gemini/Mercury/Appollo testing missions, they had tens of thousands of issues/problems that each could have terminated a mission to the moon. How then could they have no problems when doing all the functions together required for a moon landing and return!! The probability of no major issues is enormous!!

1. Isn't that what testing is for? To find the issues? By your logic, the issues found when testing B747's prove that no Jumbo jets today could be flying.

2. What makes you say they had no issues when doing the moon landings?

3. How did you calculate the probabilities? How do you define "major"?

Cheers,

[imdying]

1. Isn't that what testing is for? To find the issues? By your logic, the issues found when testing B747's prove that no Jumbo jets today could be flying.

2. What makes you say they had no issues when doing the moon landings?

3. How did you calculate the probabilities? How do you define "major"?

Cheers,Woah woah woah there! No fighting the delusional nutters with logic, that's just not on! :rofl:

[Steam]

Woah woah woah there! No fighting the delusional nutters with logic, that's just not on! :rofl:

Meh, the nutters don't care about logic, it's such a limited way of thinking, so western, just closes your eyes to possibility. You just have to feel with your heart that something is right, let your spirit guide you to the truth. Less logic, more soul, that's what we all need.:innocent:

[Wolf]

Meh, the nutters don't care about logic, it's such a limited way of thinking, so western, just closes your eyes to possibility. You just have to feel with your heart that something is right, let your spirit guide you to the truth. Less logic, more soul, that's what we all need.:innocent:
You're sooooo right, lets just light some incense (or something more "electric" and psychedelic, if you prefer) put on our amethyst teleportation wunderbras, have some ancient sacred Celtic pumpkin soup, tune into the vibes and the Troof will be revealed despite the evil logic of the two-thousand-year worldwide conspirators...

[peasea]

About the mirrors:





1. Who designed the equipment that placed the mirrors?
2. Who built the equipment that placed the mirrors?
3. Who controlled the equipment that placed the mirrors?


Wallace and Grommit.
Jeez......

[viewer]

Geesus, what a crock of shite!! I'm off to the flat earth society for a cucumber sandwich.............:rolleyes:

[peasea]

Geesus, what a crock of shite!! I'm off to the flat earth society for a cucumber sandwich.............:rolleyes:

See you there, I'll bring the spheres.

[Usarka]

At the end of the day, the only people who can be completely 100% certain that this took place are the people who were directly involved.

Sure the odds may be one in three million that it was faked. but most of the population spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars every year chasing longer odds than that!

if any of you firm believers buy lotto tickets then your just as bad as the conspiracy nuts.

how'dya like them logics!

[viewer]

Whilst eating my cucumber sandwiches at the flat earth society, i pondered on a few things......

The americans wouldnt lie to us eh?!
Howard hughes really was mining for manganese in the pacific eh? not doing a salvage job on a russian nuclear submarine?
The US government wouldn't lie to us about it testing nerve gas, radioactivity, and germ warfare on its own american cities would they?? They don't lie to cover up hugely important events do they?

food for thought.......... now where's my other sandwich........

[pzkpfw]

At the end of the day, the only people who can be completely 100% certain that this took place are the people who were directly involved.

Sure the odds may be one in three million that it was faked. but most of the population spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars every year chasing longer odds than that!

if any of you firm believers buy lotto tickets then your just as bad as the conspiracy nuts.

how'dya like them logics!

I guess we'd better rule-out D-Day then, as only the people who were directly involved know 100% for certain.


That's a cop-out.

Find some fact that would have prevented Apollo, or
Find some technology they didn't have then that you can show they'd have needed, or
Find some actual proof it was faked, or
...admit the odds are zero.

[pzkpfw]

For the youtube generation: http://www.youtube.com/user/svector

[Wolf]

At the end of the day, the only people who can be completely 100% certain that this took place are the people who were directly involved.
Incorrect, sorry. the Russians were not involved - in fact, they were in a state of detente called the "Cold War" with the USA at the time. A fact that the conspiracy theorists like to point out as the reason that the USA "faked the moon landing" - "they had to appear to beat the USSR to the moon, so they faked it".

Funnily enough, NASA was not the only people on the planetcapable of receiving the transmissions from the Apollo missions. In addition to the USA and its allies and partners, the Russians were also capable of monitoring the transmissions.

Know what else you can do with radio transmissions? Especially if you have a large expanse of territory under your control like, say, the USSR?

You can triangulate and pinpoint the origin of the signal. So the Russians knew that the US had landed on the moon.

But of course, the whole Cold War (on which the conspiracy theorists base the reason for the hoax) was fake and the Russians were in on the great conspiracy to fake a moon landing make them look bad, and they let the US win the fake Cold War...

[peasea]

I guess we'd better rule-out D-Day then, as only the people who were directly involved know 100% for certain.


That's a cop-out.

Find some fact that would have prevented Apollo, or
Find some technology they didn't have then that you can show they'd have needed, or
Find some actual proof it was faked, or
...admit the odds are zero.


My dad was at Normandy on D-Day, he told me a story or two. Also, my grandfather was in the trenches in WWI, his stories were also interesting. They're both long gone now but it was insightful having such people right at your side when the info rolled out. They had nothing to gain by pulling the wool over anyone's eyes.

[NighthawkNZ]

Gravity is a big myth too... the earth just sux.

[oldrider]

Yeah I saw Buzz take out that activist. Nice upper cut.

It was a right cross, technically a bad move, he should have jabbed with his left and followed with the right cross and finished him with a left hook!

I thought every astronaut would know that.

Maybe the skirmish was a put up job!

Eeeek: Is everything a conspiracy in America? :lol: John.

[peasea]

[QUOTE=oldrider;1223598]It was a right cross, technically a bad move, he should have jabbed with his left and followed with the right cross and finished him with a left hook!

QUOTE]

Quite right (sic), I used to live with a boxer and what he taught me in five minutes was worth gold.

[Steam]

...I thought every astronaut would know that....
Yes, every astronaut does know that, so it's yet another subtle coded signal that he never went into space. He's obviously trying to let it slip out to those who look closely enough. SO OBVIOUS!

[Curious_AJ]

my two cents on this...

meh, it doesn't really matter to me whether they did it or not... if not, then all the power to them for fooling so many people.. if they did, well all the power to them for achieving something like that.

[pzkpfw]

Quite right (sic), I used to live with a boxer and what he taught me in five minutes was worth gold.

Domestic violence is never right.

[Finn]

Eeeek: Is everything a conspiracy in America? :lol: John.

The very thought of human achievement upsets most dead beats.

[NighthawkNZ]

Eeeek: Is everything a conspiracy in America? :lol: John.

It is including America itself... :crazy: its not really there... :eek5: I tried to go there once... i just found a land with average people that didn't give a rats arse... sorta like me really :clap:

[SimJen]

It is including America itself... :crazy: its not really there... :eek5: I tried to go there once... i just found a land with average people that didn't give a rats arse... sorta like me really :clap:

Averagely Fat people.....

[peasea]

Domestic violence is never right.

It was a defensive thing actually.

[Wolf]

It was a defensive thing actually.
I gather he was being a smart arse and infering something about you "living with" a boxer and being "taught a lesson"...

[peasea]

I gather he was being a smart arse and infering something about you "living with" a boxer and being "taught a lesson"...

Oh, silly me, that'll explain all that leather and rubber stuff.:Oops:

[Disco Dan]

Latest NASA images:

http://www.texasjim.com/NASApix/NASA%20pix.htm

[idb]

Latest NASA images:

http://www.texasjim.com/NASApix/NASA%20pix.htm

Without subscribing to any conspiracy theories, those spacewalk pictures always look like Star Wars-type models.
I guess that it might be because of the lack of air allowing an extraordinary clarity.

[Ocean1]

Without subscribing to any conspiracy theories, those spacewalk pictures always look like Star Wars-type models.
I guess that it might be because of the lack of air allowing an extraordinary clarity.

And some of the world's finest photographic equipment perhaps?

[idb]

And some of the world's finest photographic equipment perhaps?

Oh alright then...because of the lack of air allowing an extraordinary clarity and some of the world's finest photographic equipment...

[Ocean1]

Oh alright then...because of the lack of air allowing an extraordinary clarity and some of the world's finest photographic equipment...

Not that most modern digital photographic lab's equipment is exactly archaic though...

[idb]

Not that most modern digital photographic lab's equipment is exactly archaic though...

Are you suggesting that these might be fake?

[pzkpfw]

Without subscribing to any conspiracy theories, those spacewalk pictures always look like Star Wars-type models.
I guess that it might be because of the lack of air allowing an extraordinary clarity.

You are absolutely right.

Some of the CT guys problems with photos taken on the moon come from the lack of a drop-off in clarity for far away objects. That is, the mountains far in the background stay clear; it can make them seem closer than they are - which leads to people thinking there should be more parallax than is seen.


P.S. No stars in the background of any of those shots - just as would be expected with cameras set for proper exposure of sunlit objects. (Another CT claim is the "no stars" bollox.)

[NighthawkNZ]

photoshop i tells yah the whole lot is photoshoped including Helen Clarke

[Ocean1]

Are you suggesting that these might be fake?

Oh no, you would have noticed that, I would have said "These photos might be fake" or similar.

The number of possible fuckups inherent in staging either the moon landings or the shuttle activities is huge. It's simply not believable that they were staged simply because the vast bulk of evidence supports the claim that these events actually happened.

[Wolf]

Latest NASA images:

http://www.texasjim.com/NASApix/NASA%20pix.htm

Love the second pic - the one showing the top of the South Island and the bottom of the North.

The lack of atmospheric interference does make for nice sharp images - that and a decent depth of field.

[NighthawkNZ]

The lack of atmospheric interference does make for nice sharp images - that and a decent depth of field.

but they are fake too cause there aint any stars in the background where there should...





Die thread die... :bash:

[Wolf]

Die thread die... :bash:
Ya cannae kill it by postin' in it!

[pzkpfw]

but they are fake too cause there aint any stars in the background where there should...

For any lurker reading that: http://www.clavius.org/stars.html

[NighthawkNZ]

Ya cannae kill it by postin' in it!

:doh:oh good point...:lol:




:Pokey: I still can't believe that people think the yanks did it all in a studio... with all the evidence that says they went ie; the reflection mirrors... the russians are now in on the game and...

oh never mind




:stupid:

[idb]

:

:Pokey: I still can't believe that people think the yanks did it all in a studio... with all the evidence that says they went ie; the reflection mirrors... the russians are now in on the game and...



But what about the cheese...????!!!

[NighthawkNZ]

But what about the cheese...????!!!

blue vien cheese...???

[Skyryder]

I have it on absolute authority that the moon is one big mozzerala pizza.

It seems at sometime during the dark ages when some Italian was doing his spinning thing with the yeasty bread he twirled it so hard tha tit slipped off his hand and spun into the sky and that is the orogin of the moon. It's thje original flying saucer :buggerd:

Skyryder

[Steam]

True! For is it not written;

"when the moon
hits your eye
like a big pizza pie
that's amore"

[Wolf]

True! For is it not written;

"when the moon
hits your eye
like a big pizza pie
that's amore"

Yes, Grasshopper. And, too, it is written:

When an eel rushes out
and it bites off your snout
that's a moray...

[Virago]

When the cheese hits your plate,
Like a sauce to be ate,
That's a mornay...

[Usarka]

when your hit by a jug
in a south auckland pub
that's a maori.....

[Mental Trousers]

If you've just woken up
to find your balls being sucked
that's good morning ....

[Skyryder]

True! For is it not written;

"when the moon
hits your eye
like a big pizza pie
that's amore"

Or else Dean Martin so pissed he can not tell the difference.

Skyryder

[Pixie]

True! For is it not written;

"when the moon
hits your eye
like a big pizza pie
that's amore"

It's:

"when an eel
bites your thigh
like a big pizza pie
that's a moray"

isn't it?

[Finn]

It's:

"when an eel
bites your thigh
like a big pizza pie
that's a moray"

isn't it?

No it's...

When you're hit
with a club
in a south auckland pub
its a Maori

[idleidolidyll]

as a photographer, some of the evidence offered by the naysayers is compelling but frankly i don't care enough to have an opinion either way

[pzkpfw]

as a photographer, some of the evidence offered by the naysayers is compelling but frankly i don't care enough to have an opinion either way

I'm very surprised to read that, as the photographic "hoax" evidence is generally crapped on by actual photographers.

e.g. The two most common complaints are the "lack of stars" and the "non-parallel" shadows.
The "stars" argument shows a lack of understanding of exposure.
The "shadows" argument shows a lack of understanding of perspective.

(There are others too, such as misunderstanding the various effects of specular highlights, albedo of lunar soil, ...)

Would you like to post an example of "compelling" evidence? I'm active on some forums specialising in this stuff, and could help find you the answers.

(You say you don't care, but you did bother to post...)

Cheers,

[idleidolidyll]

that's because i hadn't enough interest to look deeper after seeing the 'expose' on tv

i'm still uninterested and don't intend to be drawn into the debate

[pzkpfw]

that's because i hadn't enough interest to look deeper after seeing the 'expose' on tv

i'm still uninterested and don't intend to be drawn into the debate

Pretty much what I expected.


I would guess that "expose" refers to "the Fox documentary" that T.V. 3 showed about 4 times. For anyone who cares (but hasn't posted, in contrast to those who post but don't care) it's discussed here (among other places):

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/FOX.html

Cheers,

[Wolf]

Pretty much what I expected.


I would guess that "expose" refers to "the Fox documentary" that T.V. 3 showed about 4 times. For anyone who cares (but hasn't posted, in contrast to those who post but don't care) it's discussed here (among other places):

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/FOX.html

Cheers,
You're pissing into the wind with the conspiracy theorists, mate. People who have never taken a photo of stars in their entire lives and people who have no idea of the physics involved or the actual training programme undergone by the astronauts "know more than everyone else and have no desire to have their omniscience challenged by such things as "exposure times", "throttled-back engines", "training exercises" and the distinctions between "training equipment" and "prototypes".

Was said before: sad no-hopers who cannot face the facts that other people have achieved anything as it would highlight the fact they have achieved nothing themselves. Much better to loudly dismiss everyone else's achievements as "hoaxes" and feel good believing others are just as worthless as they are - and "liars" to boot.

[pzkpfw]

You're pissing into the wind..

For some, yes.

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For him to have made a post, started it with "as a photographer" (implying expertise), give an opinion, but then say he didn't want to discuss it - is intellectual dishonesty. It means "I have an opinion but am scared to find out I'm wrong".
]

I replied (with the links) for other people; fence-sitters who may not yet be beyond help.

Cheers,

[Wolf]

I replied (with the links) for other people; fence-sitters who may not yet be beyond help.

Cheers,
Ah, for those who're not already firmly in the "aliens must have built the pyramids because there's no way primitive sandniggers could do it when the Japanese with the best modern equipment failed" camp.

[BAD DAD]

'' WE'' didn't land anywhere since Gallipolli. It was the Yanks and yeah they they did actually land , if you can call anywhere on the moon, " land ".

[Wolf]

Well, I don't claim to be a Photography Expert (tm) but I do know more than a little about photography - more, it would seem than the "Photography Experts" trotted out by the Conspiracy Theorists.

"shutter speed" - how long the shutter remains open: very fast, and you can get crisp images of speeding motorcycles but you need a lot of light on the film to expose the film enough for a decent image. Very slow, and you get more exposure time in lower light but you get motion blur.

"f-stop" - the aperture size: Widen it, and you let in more light to expose the film but the "focal depth" is diminished. Narrow it and you get great focal depth but it decreases the amount of light falling on the film.

"Film speed" - granularity: how sensitive to light the film is. Low speed, fine granularity, great detail but not very light sensitive, takes a lot of light to expose (wide aperture and or slow shutter speed). High speed, coarser granularity. Great response in lower light conditions but chunkier coarser images.

Shutter speed, film speed and aperture size can be juggled and balanced depending on available light and what you want to achieve.

You have a fast moving object and normal light conditions and a mid-range film speed, you want a nice crisp image. You drop your shutter speed to reduce motion blur so (since you can't change the film speed) you open up the aperture to increase the light falling on the film. This drops focal distance, so you have to make sure you're focused pretty much exactly for the distance to the object as the area that is still in focus either side of that point is very small. You end up with a very crisp image of a speeding bike but the track in the foreground and the advertising on the far side of the track are both out of focus.

Still not changing film, you close your aperture which brings the whole width of the track in focus, meaning the foreground, bike and advertising are in focus, but that diminishes the light falling on the film. To again avoid under exposure, you slow the shutter speed to expose the film for longer, resulting in motion blur on the speeding bike. Of course, since your focal depth is pretty bloody good and will forgive changing distances between the camera and the bike, you can track the bike, resulting in a sharp bike but motion blur on the advertising and track.

So, forgetting fast moving objects and on to people against objects.

As your subject is posed, it is relatively static and motion blur is not going to be an issue. You can safely drop the aperture down for a great depth of field (Aunt Mabel and the 14th Century German castle 200m behind her are both in sharp focus) and crank the shutter speed down to allow for plenty of light to get in. Unless Aunty is leaping about and cavorting, you're going to get a nice shot of both her and the castle for your album.

Of course, if you are in a brightly lit area and you have a preferred shutter speed, you can prevent the film from over-exposing by dropping your aperture size. This has the automatic side-effect of increasing depth of field.

If lighting is poor and you can't open the shutter for any longer that it is already set for, you can open the aperture and let in more light - but only the object is in sharp focus as the depth of field diminishes.

Reflection.

What light does when it hits certain surfaces - like a lunar surface (how reflective is it? Well, I can see well enough on a clear moonlit night, despite the distance between the Earth and the moon and the filtering caused by the atmosphere...) or a white space suit (which was designed to reflect light away to stop the astronauts overheating.)

Anyone who's watched a movie depicting professional photographers or been professionally photographed know that they use white or reflectorised umbrellas or sheets of white card to reflect diffused light onto the subject (softer than a direct spotlight or flash).

So, you are on the surface of a reflective object with no atmosphere to diffuse/absorb the light and wearing a bright white space suit. You are taking photos of said bright surface and similarly white-clad figures. You have been supplied with film calculated in advanced to be the best for the lighting conditions and the level of detail they want to capture (set film speed and granularity) so you have 2 adjustable settings - f-stop and shutter speed.

Due to the amount of light directly falling onto the scene from the sun and the light reflected onto the scene by the reflective (high albedo) surface and your own high albedo (reflective) suit, you balance your shutter speed and aperture to get the right exposure for the conditions to get a photo of an astronaut in front of the LM and the surrounding lunar landscape - rather than a large bright featureless blob.

Due to the large amounts of direct and reflected sunlight, you have shutter speed fast and aperture small (giving an excellent depth of field) to avoid over exposure.

You are pointing a camera at the sky to get photos of the stars. You a lot of small, dim objects in a near-black background. In order for those dim lights to register on film you need a very fast film but not too fast (or the granularity would ruin the image) or a long shutter speed (slightly curved lines rather than star-like points of light) and your aperture opened as wide as it can be.

Two entirely different camera settings.

Don't believe me? Want a real, here-and-now, experiment?

We'll head up the mountain one clear summer's night when the stars are bright and easily visible in the night sky away from the light pollution of the city.

I'll stand on a ridge, silhouetted against the starry night sky and you can stand so that the viewfinder captures me and the majesty of Orion and Sirius behind me (Sirius is the brightest star in the sky and Orion has some bloody bright ones as well.)

Then we'll fire up some decent lamps and flashes to light me and the hillside enough to get a good detailed shot of my features, set the shutter speed and aperture for that lighting level and you can take a pic.

Later, I'll denounce the photo as a fake shot in a studio with a manikin made up to look like me and a cunningly constructed fake hilltop because there aren't any stars visible in the shot and they were there that night, damn it, I saw them!

Once you light me up enough to get details and adjust the camera accordingly, you can kiss good bye to those pale points of light.

How do I know? Dunno, maybe I've taken a photo or two at night in the bush.

[Drew]

Well, I think that very strongly blows the "fake photo" idea out of the water, but as I'm sure you know wolf, when an idiots argument is threatened, they usually raise thier voice, rather than present new facts.

[Wolf]

All Rossi's so-called racing has been faked, and I can prove it.

See here (http://www.thewatchquote.com/Valentino-Rossi-visits-the-Manufacture-Jaeger-LeCoultre-No_5653.htm) - the pics clearly show him inside a building, proving that all the "races" were faked in a sound studio somewhere.

My thanks to the Lunar Landing conspiracy theorists who opened my eyes to this important fact by demonstrating that photos of astronauts inside a building constitute conclusive proof that the moon landing was faked.

I'm off to seek evidence that other so called celebrities and high-achievers faked their glory.

[peasea]

All Rossi's so-called racing has been faked, and I can prove it.

See here (http://www.thewatchquote.com/Valentino-Rossi-visits-the-Manufacture-Jaeger-LeCoultre-No_5653.htm) - the pics clearly show him inside a building, proving that all the "races" were faked in a sound studio somewhere.

My thanks to the Lunar Landing conspiracy theorists who opened my eyes to this important fact by demonstrating that photos of astronauts inside a building constitute conclusive proof that the moon landing was faked.

I'm off to seek evidence that other so called celebrities and high-achievers faked their glory.

Start with Paris Hilton.

[Finn]

We landed on the moon. Full stop. You've got to remember that when this happened, it was in the good old days when men where men and lefties were beaten up. We did it with nothing in our way. A giant leap for man kind.

Since then, we've basically done nothing except bitch about progress.

We live in a boring world now.