Crying babies!

[Maarty]

Seems to me that there are a lot of crying babies whinging about shit that they dont need to!
what sort of wanker groans about suspension data logging at a club day? ride faster you bunch of pussies! stop making excuses about shit and just get on and race your bikes, if you are not fast enough to keep up with the Smiths and Sherriffs then be big boys about it and grow some bigger gonads.
Seems to me that every man and his dog here is making piss-ant excuses as to why they don't win, well here is the answer for you, YOU ARE TOO F#*K'IN SLOW!!!!

Just my 2 cents worth!

[Mental Trousers]

Heh :niceone:

[NordieBoy]

Next is complaints about people who remember their lap times...

[Maarty]

These tossers don't remember there lap times 'cause they are too busy looking for excuses. No-one want to remember being the slowest rider with the fastest mouth do they!

[crazefox]

Ha ha good shit mate:lol::lol::lol: I like it

[merv]

Is any bugger ever going to spell Shirriffs' name properly?

[Maarty]

he knows we all love him! except for possibly Jimmy mare! Oooops! nah it is Mair isn't it!!
Craig is a big boy and i am sure he isn't worried that we spell his name wrong, he has big gonads and IS fast so he will forgive me, eh Craig!

[merv]

he knows we all love him! except for possibly Jimmy mare!

She'd be a bit of a dark horse that mare!

[roadracingoldfart]

Seems to me that there are a lot of crying babies whinging about shit that they dont need to!
what sort of wanker groans about suspension data logging at a club day? ride faster you bunch of pussies! stop making excuses about shit and just get on and race your bikes, if you are not fast enough to keep up with the Smiths and Sherriffs then be big boys about it and grow some bigger gonads.
Seems to me that every man and his dog here is making piss-ant excuses as to why they don't win, well here is the answer for you, YOU ARE TOO F#*K'IN SLOW!!!!

Just my 2 cents worth!

I dont think that was worth 2 cents at all .
BUT , i am prepared to listen to any solid logical critisism you may have but i dont think ill read anymore of your self opinionated biased crap thanks.
I also dont think you can call the VMCC series just "a club day "as its the biggest series this country has to offer.
Maybe you can come to the track at Taupo and show us how its done. We need more leaders.

[Maarty]

I can feel another poem in the air

[Maarty]

My apologies to the Vic club, it is a great series and I do appreciate the efforts that the organisers and members put into it. Please don't misinterpret my views in regards to this, it is simply my opinion on the sad state of some that need to find fault in others to cover their own short -comings.
This is a forum for one to air their views isnt it ? and all I am doing is airing mine,

My 1 cents worth (incl GST)

[Tim 39]

Next is complaints about people who remember their lap times...

easy fix to that... buy a lap timer... (click the xt racing link in my signature for more details)

[Tim 39]

Seems to me that there are a lot of crying babies whinging about shit that they dont need to!
what sort of wanker groans about suspension data logging at a club day? ride faster you bunch of pussies! stop making excuses about shit and just get on and race your bikes, if you are not fast enough to keep up with the Smiths and Sherriffs then be big boys about it and grow some bigger gonads.
Seems to me that every man and his dog here is making piss-ant excuses as to why they don't win, well here is the answer for you, YOU ARE TOO F#*K'IN SLOW!!!!

Just my 2 cents worth!

be careful what you say (don't throw stones when you live in a glasshouse).
this statement is a bit contradictory to the professional image you're trying to make (my view)

[Maarty]

The feeling expressed are mine personally Tim and in no way are they associated with the team or any other group. They are exclusively personal!

[roadracingoldfart]

With all those brands on your web page obviously supporting you in some way in the indusrty its a shame you take thier good name and with only a dozen posts on this forum start to stir the shit as you have. If i could give one small amount of advice its dont drag the brands that support you to the same level as whats got your tits in a tangle. If you have a gripe against anybody then be a real bloke and tell it directly to them instead of being so broad spectrum in public. Its a sure way to annoy people to the max.
Your post says " winging about shit they dont need to ", may i suggest you heed your own advice :bye::shutup:

[Darkman]

Dude.....if it bothers you that much, just don't listen to them.There are some great talent out there and not all of them has the same great opportunities as others has. So if they want to bitch about it, let them. These guys spend alot of money to go out there to compete and put on a show for us. Some rave on, on how good they are and some bitch...i mean, whats the harm in that..its all good fun......my hat's off to all the racers..bitch and moan if you like..remember..don't remember yer laptimes..aslong as your having fun..FUCK the rest!!! my 2cents

[ajturbo]

i got a steady 1:34:xx on the weekend...

well i did on at least 2 occations...

my datalogger's wire snapped ... extention cord was not long enough.. there i said it, told you it wasn't my fault!:baby:

[Billy]

Dont mean to spoil your Thread Maarty and I understand where youre coming from,But rule 12 in appendix C (Production superbike rules) clearly states NO data or computer logging equipment is allowed.End of story really.However Im sure if the so called "Professional" teams were able to communicate with the officials and ask for permission maybe things might have been different.Having dealt with most of these teams at one stage or another it appears communication is not a required skill to race a motorcycle at the front of the field.

My 2 cents worth not including GST or freight and packaging

[Maarty]

Point taken!

[Maarty]

Dont mean to spoil your Thread Maarty and I understand where youre coming from,But rule 12 in appendix C (Production superbike rules) clearly states NO data or computer logging equipment is allowed.End of story really.However Im sure if the so called "Professional" teams were able to communicate with the officials and ask for permission maybe things might have been different.Having dealt with most of these teams at one stage or another it appears communication is not a required skill to race a motorcycle at the front of the field.

My 2 cents worth not including GST or freight and packaging

You are right of course Billy, just goads me that it is OK to accuse someone of cheating on a public forum but when another opinion is voiced it strikes another raw nerve.
Those who know, know that there was no cheating or anything underhanded going on. Its like the old saying i suppose, " those who have, do, those who dont, complain about those who do."

[Maarty]

With all those brands on your web page obviously supporting you in some way in the indusrty its a shame you take thier good name and with only a dozen posts on this forum start to stir the shit as you have. If i could give one small amount of advice its dont drag the brands that support you to the same level as whats got your tits in a tangle. If you have a gripe against anybody then be a real bloke and tell it directly to them instead of being so broad spectrum in public. Its a sure way to annoy people to the max.
Your post says " winging about shit they dont need to ", may i suggest you heed your own advice :bye::shutup:

NOW HEAR THIS!

As I said before, the views stated here are mine, they do not in any way reflect the views of my sponsors, riders, wife, cats or anyone else for that matter. I don't hide behind any non-de-plume when I have my say, i don't speak for anyone else either. How hard is this to understand!

I have been around long enough to hear all these weekend worriors talk the talk and frankly I am sick to death for these people not walking the walk. I have huge admiration for people who have achieved and got where they are through hard work and effort,( Craig, Sam, Kenneth, Adam, Hairy, Chris, Brian, Avalon, Billy, to name but a few) they have all the goodies because of their endevours, not because the whined and harped long enough and someone gave it to them to shut them up! I have no time at all for these whiners, no admiration for the boo-hoo poor me types, I don't care if they ride reasonably well, let their riding speak for them and then perhaps they will attract support and be able to get access to telemetry. You know what, none of those supporters on my website gave anything to me because I went and said poor me can you help me because Joe Blow has better stuff than me! they support me and my team because we work hard and put in the effort on and off the track!

As for Craig and Sam, These guys were there to test, shakedown the mounts and iron out the rough spots of their handling, so what, Sam had suspension telemetry, how many people have lap counters in the production or superbike classes?, isn't that data logging? CHEATS! Hope no one is racing a 1098 Ducati this season! CHEATS!

Bugger me, it is a sad day when one cannot even have an opinion without someone blowing it all out of proportion!

LASTLY, Does my only having made 9 entries on this forum make me any less entitled to an opinion?

[cowpoos]

guessing game.......


what just happened in thbis picture!!

[Finn]

Fair enough!

You were much more amusing when you were angry. Stop back peddling and get stuck in.

[cowpoos]

what sort of wanker groans about suspension data logging at a club day? !

oh and now that I acctually read this thread...if your refering to my comment about noticing it....well..why don't you come introduce yourself to me at taupo next round...call me a wanker to my face and I'll fucking lay you out ya fuck dickhead!!!

[Maarty]

You were much more amusing when you were angry. Stop back peddling and get stuck in.

One should always listen to all arguements and evaluate what is being said, take it in the context it was writin and respond accordingly.

[arsnik]

sam smith is my hero
ARSNIK

[Grub]

rule 12 in appendix C (Production superbike rules) clearly states NO data or computer logging equipment is allowed.

Seems clear enough to me.

[Sketchy_Racer]

:lol:

What an interesting thread.

I think the old saying "rules are rules" and they're there for a reason rings to mind.

Personally I couldn't give a toss how flash someones bike is. At the end of the day everyone knows who has a fast one and then there is the rest of the guys making up for the lack of power/handling by SKILL

[Robert Taylor]

:lol:

What an interesting thread.

I think the old saying "rules are rules" and they're there for a reason rings to mind.

Personally I couldn't give a toss how flash someones bike is. At the end of the day everyone knows who has a fast one and then there is the rest of the guys making up for the lack of power/handling by SKILL

Okay, lets get some perspective back and de-emotionalise this. I very clearly stated in another thread that Craig and Sam were there specifically to test, the results were irrelevant. Note that with these guys it is possible to have all three commodities i.e power, handling AND skill. That they were clearly having fun in the last race was a bonus for all those watching. That I will continue to try and make Craigs bike as settled as Sams is a given, but that will be very difficult given the combination of excess horsepower, Dunlops and a linkage/ swingarm package less effective than the R1.

The data logging gear on Sams bike WAS NOT telemetry and we only looked at it once during the entire meeting, no attempt was made to conceal it.

What we learn is always eventually passed through to all levels, whether they are circulating Manfield in 6's or 34's. Everyone is important to make up the sport as a whole. Its also easy to criticise other peoples riding abilities / lap times etc. Heck, if I raced I would probably be slower than that pink SV was, in part because of a keen desire for self preservation and the need to run my business.

As a parting shot I will occassionally use expletives ( never in ''public''print )but I think it is important ( even in this declining society ) to know exactly where it is inappropriate NOT to use such words.

[DCSME]

I have been directed to this site after some online discussion regarding Sam Smith's 'telemetry' usage. Let me clarify a few things. There was no intention to upset those racing in the series. This is our test bed for the 2008 Championship. Points & position were not actually important to us at this event. Bike preparation & setup is what is important if we are to be competive in the up coming national championship. This is the first of many test sessions & events people will see us at over the coming months. The Racetech shock clock fitted to the machine is not a telemetry device, It measures suspension travel against time and is downloaded to a laptop after the session. I only actually took 2 recordings from it, 1 on friday (free practise) and another on Saturday. The information obtained was of no advantage to us on the day. We rely on Sam's riding skill and feedback for all suspension changes we make and the trusty tape measure. Obviously we made no secret of having the shockclock fitted to the bike. As for the legality of datalogging equipment including on board laptimers, the supplementary regulations for this series states under classes,
"Suberbike-Run under typical Formula One rules encompassing Production Superbike, modified Production Superbike........." I understand "formula 1"being open to modification and additions, likewise "modified Production Superbike"
The class regulations for the national championships are more specific and this device would definintely be excluded. The team takes all regulations very seriously to ensure exclusion is not a possibility.
Sam Smith is a talented young rider who needs everyones support in this industry/sport.
Unfortunatly shades of New Zealand famous 'Tall Poppy Syndrome' appears to be creeping in. It is not our intention to appear elitist. In fact we are trying to actively encourage new young talent into the sport. Our pit is always open for discussion to those keen to improve their racing potential. Please lets get back to enjoying our racing which is why we all do it, isn't it?

Dave Cole
YAMAHA RACE TEAM NZ

[Colapop]

Why not be elitist? Not at the expense of other riders but in the interests of developing talent and skill. Craig and Sam certainly rode well against each other in the last race. Isn't it better to provide a higher standard to pit yours skills against than a lower one? Sure some teams have more money (for development, data collection etc) but that does not make the rider's skill any better. If you're racing for enjoyment, then you should enjoy racing against faster guys...

To be the best, you have to beat the best.

[Robert Taylor]

I have been directed to this site after some online discussion regarding Sam Smith's 'telemetry' usage. Let me clarify a few things. There was no intention to upset those racing in the series. This is our test bed for the 2008 Championship. Points & position were not actually important to us at this event. Bike preparation & setup is what is important if we are to be competive in the up coming national championship. This is the first of many test sessions & events people will see us at over the coming months. The Racetech shock clock fitted to the machine is not a telemetry device, It measures suspension travel against time and is downloaded to a laptop after the session. I only actually took 2 recordings from it, 1 on friday (free practise) and another on Saturday. The information obtained was of no advantage to us on the day. We rely on Sam's riding skill and feedback for all suspension changes we make and the trusty tape measure. Obviously we made no secret of having the shockclock fitted to the bike. As for the legality of datalogging equipment including on board laptimers, the supplementary regulations for this series states under classes,
"Suberbike-Run under typical Formula One rules encompassing Production Superbike, modified Production Superbike........." I understand "formula 1"being open to modification and additions, likewise "modified Production Superbike"
The class regulations for the national championships are more specific and this device would definintely be excluded. The team takes all regulations very seriously to ensure exclusion is not a possibility.
Sam Smith is a talented young rider who needs everyones support in this industry/sport.
Unfortunatly shades of New Zealand famous 'Tall Poppy Syndrome' appears to be creeping in. It is not our intention to appear elitist. In fact we are trying to actively encourage new young talent into the sport. Our pit is always open for discussion to those keen to improve their racing potential. Please lets get back to enjoying our racing which is why we all do it, isn't it?

Dave Cole
YAMAHA RACE TEAM NZ

Well said Dave, you clearly have literary talent as well.

The RaceTech shockclock eqpt cost me about $5k, hardly elitist when you have to take out a mortgage for the real stuff used in WSBK and MotoGP, plus the need to hire a full time person to analyse.

This equipment has been lent to Dave / Sam as I know that they will look after it and make good use of it, and are very very sincere people. Also that if Sam crashes he will make every attempt to lay the bike down on the opposite side to the equipment!

In the past I have lent a lot of equipment and dug deeply into my own pockets for racers only to be burnt as these people have made a lifetime habit of always using other peoples money and perhaps were engendered to beleive that the world owes them a living. So lending valuable equipment is not taken lightly, and I wont let the ''users and conmen'' of this world totally destroy my faith in human nature.

I think all potential sponsors should be on their guard about this and always apply due diligence in checking out the applicants on track BUT also off track record.

[arsnik]

This is our test bed for the 2008 Championship. Points & position were not actually important to us at this event. Bike preparation & setup is what is important if we are to be competive in the up coming national championship. This is the first of many test sessions & events people will see us at over the coming months. The Racetech shock clock fitted to the machine is not a telemetry device, It measures suspension travel against time and is downloaded to a laptop after the session. I only actually took 2 recordings from it, 1 on friday (free practise) and another on Saturday. The information obtained was of no advantage to us on the day. We rely on Sam\'s riding skill and feedback for all suspension changes we make and the trusty tape measure. Obviously we made no secret of having the shockclock fitted to the bike. As for the legality of datalogging equipment including on board laptimers, the supplementary regulations for this series states under classes,
\"Suberbike-Run under typical Formula One rules encompassing Production Superbike, modified Production Superbike.........\" I understand \"formula 1\"being open to modification and additions, likewise \"modified Production Superbike\"
The class regulations for the national championships are more specific and this device would definintely be excluded. The team takes all regulations very seriously to ensure exclusion is not a possibility.
Sam Smith is a talented young rider who needs everyones support in this industry/sport.
Unfortunatly shades of New Zealand famous \'Tall Poppy Syndrome\' appears to be creeping in. It is not our intention to appear elitist. In fact we are trying to actively encourage new young talent into the sport. Our pit is always open for discussion to those keen to improve their racing potential. Please lets get back to enjoying our racing which is why we all do it, isn\'t it?

Dave Cole
YAMAHA RACE TEAM NZ

Why make a mockery of the vic club rules?
Why even have it on if it was no benefit?

Your more aware than most of how easy it is to get a bike on the track for testing, why do it where some people are having a serious go at racing (ie Craigs continual pit stops with RT during races)? or were those minions who congregate at the track once a month racing merely in the way of Sams testing for the nationals?

If cheating is where its at. I\'m in!

[Robert Taylor]

Why make a mockery of the vic club rules?
Why even have it on if it was no benefit?

Your more aware than most of how easy it is to get a bike on the track for testing, why do it where some people are having a serious go at racing (ie Craigs continual pit stops with RT during races)? or were those minions who congregate at the track once a month racing merely in the way of Sams testing for the nationals?

If cheating is where its at. I\'m in!

I think you miss the point, the ''minions'' you refer to is a disparaging term and you will find Dave is a very approachable guy. It is not so easy to get a bike on track for testing when those involved also have very busy businesses to run.

To use your unfortunate term I can personally vouch for helping quite a number of ''minions'' over the weekend, taking time away from other objectives. Personally I find it quite rewarding to help people at all levels to both improve and further understand set-up.

And have you met Sam? He is an extremely polite and almost shy young man with no ego. I also dont exactly recall Craig getting in anyones way whilst we were searching for set-up?

[arsnik]

To use your unfortunate term I can personally vouch for helping quite a number of \\\'\\\'minions\\\'\\\' over the weekend, taking time away from other objectives. Personally I find it quite rewarding to help people at all levels to both improve and further understand set-up.


Yes, I do miss your point, just as Dave (when his business constraints allow him to make it to the track) and yourself miss or see around Vic club rules, and put in his own words, unnecesary probably [NOT] illegal telemtetry devices on his non egotistic and very approachable riders bike, even though suspension changes are made from Sam\\\'s feedback? Why do it?

For what its worth, bar being a bit one eyed, your truly a stand up guy robert, where would bike racing in NZ be without you?

[Maarty]

I have had the treatment about "chequebook racing" people complaining to me why I chose Fred over Barney etc. I too am at the Vic series for testing more so than the results. I have an obligation to my sponsors and riders to best prepare them for racing at the nationals. The fact that my riders are preforming so well is testiment to their natural abilities and at the end of the day riders still need the talent to use all the power at their disposal, all the technology in the world won't make them faster if they don't have the skills in the first place. All I am doing is helping smooth off the rough edges in their riding.
I am just sick of the nay-sayers complaing that they are disadvantaged. I found a way, quietly, to improve my riders lot and my sponsors are behind me 100%.
Only 1 person has asked me for help in set-up information and I will gladly pass on what ever I can, they came and asked, didn't moan, and therefore they will receive my assistance.

[Robert Taylor]

Yes, I do miss your point, just as Dave (when his business constraints allow him to make it to the track) and yourself miss or see around Vic club rules, and put in his own words, unnecesary probably illegal telemtetry devices on his non egotistic and very approachable riders bike, even though suspension changes are made from Sam\'s feedback? Why do it?

For what its worth, bar being a bit one eyed, your truly a stand up guy robert, where would bike racing in NZ be without you?

Actually I failed to mention that it is quite a mission to remove all this stuff, and Dave probably had precious little time to do so. But it was in the open for everyone to see and would have been removed had anyone objected ON THE DAY. ( Craig, Derek, Carey, Dave.... ) At no time was there any intention to point the finger at the rules. I am probably in a better position than most to work out who is cheating, but I make it my business to concentrate only on my chosen field.

Really, this is a storm in a teacup.

[Fatjim]

I don't go the the track to race because I'm slow, but I'll pretend I'm not and put myself in someones place who isn't.

If someone showed up with "a few extra bits" on their bike that was outside the rules I'd be pissed. I don't give a shit whether you say "but I didn't even use it". Its there, who's to say that you or anyone else is trustworthy, I don't know you from Jack!

I would however not have a problem if you arranged with the organizers not to have your placing recorded anywhere, so I didn't have to go round saying "such and such only bet me because ....." and everyone thinking "sure, yeah right".

BTW

Sometimes I think that some people who are serious in sports think that they are the only ones that count and are above the slime. The plebs at the bottom who are out enjoying themselves just don't count and its alright to walk over them. To those who think or act this way, I give you the one fingered salute. I for one would prefer those kinds of arseholes to just piss off and leave us losers alone.

[arsnik]

Really, this is a storm in a teacup.

Spot on the money there Robert, thank Maarty for brewing it, I like my tea with a slice of lemon.

[Robert Taylor]

I don't go the the track to race because I'm slow, but I'll pretend I'm not and put myself in someones place who isn't.

If someone showed up with "a few extra bits" on their bike that was outside the rules I'd be pissed. I don't give a shit whether you say "but I didn't even use it". Its there, who's to say that you or anyone else is trustworthy, I don't know you from Jack!

I would however not have a problem if you arranged with the organizers not to have your placing recorded anywhere, so I didn't have to go round saying "such and such only bet me because ....." and everyone thinking "sure, yeah right".

BTW

Sometimes I think that some people who are serious in sports think that they are the only ones that count and are above the slime. The plebs at the bottom who are out enjoying themselves just don't count and its alright to walk over them. To those who think or act this way, I give you the one fingered salute. I for one would prefer those kinds of arseholes to just piss off and leave us losers alone.

Hell, if I, Dave and are are few others are ''collectivised'' as being like that then I am sure they will have no problem in me acting as a spokesman and therefore stating ''we apologise for breathing''

[Maarty]

Spot on the money there Robert, thank Maarty for brewing it, I like my tea with a slice of lemon.

I was just venturing an opinion. Had i anticipated this type of response i would not have bothered.

Racing would be a much worse place without the "plebs", i think that everyone has lost sight that we all started out as pleds (for want of a better word) i know I did! It took me a long time to get up to speed, I wasn't a natural, I had to work bloody hard and I paid my dues, I didn't complain about the others beating me, in fact it motivated me. I wanted to beat those who had better equipment regardless. in my day it was newer models or kit parts, these days its data aquisition and sponsorship deal. the thing is, the motivation is still the same!
I take my hat off to all the 150 kids and their perants for participating, they are the true spirit of racing, they want to just beat the guy (or girl) in front.
Racing is for everyone at whatever level they choose to compete at, why punish the faster guys or the slower for that matter! The fact that these guys come to meetings like saturdays should motivate more the agrivate!

Lemon eh! 1 slice or 2? pinky in the air or the full grip? "jolly good show geeves, and toodle pip 'ole chum"

[arsnik]

Lemon eh! 1 slice or 2? pinky in the air or the full grip? \"jolly good show geeves, and toodle pip \'ole chum\"

Im a dilma man, thin slice with a couple sucaryl\'s in a wee cup on a saucer, I shall bring the pot up next race, can\'t get good tea at a race track.
. Will you bring some date scones?

[Teambwr47]

I am assuming then reading this post that the riders involved arranged for themselves to be allowed to race outside the rules of the meeting/club as a test and took no points, prizes or press from the race results?

I also assume that this was made clear to all other competitors in the meeting in some way and that the riders 'testing' did not in any way hinder those on track who were racing for a season championship?

I've seen this happen in the UK when a full spec BSB factory bike turns up and races at a national club event for testing.

In every such case i've seen the team and riders have excluded themselves from the results and the other riders have been made aware of such a situation even before the race.

A race is a race and if a rider testing, on a non eligible bike, was to mess around with entering leaving the pits and in doing so interfered with the race that would not be good at all. Equally if said rider affected the 'lesser' racers in any way even if that be by lapping it would not be acceptable.

This would all be a storm in a teacup if the riders involved did adhere to the above points but if they didn't i can well understand how pissed off some could be.

In reponse to recalling lap times etc i assume the saying 'the older i get the faster i used to be' applies here to....

[Teambwr47]

Now just need to get a bike and show you Kiwis the way around:Pokey:

By the way anyone here going to the Auckland club night tonight....

Going to pop along and join up.

[Goblin]

Racing would be a much worse place without the "plebs"Well this Pleb has seen enough cattiness, backstabbing and gossiping to not want to race ever again. I wont be renewing my MNZ License as there's no point in racing if you dont have the fat cheque book or "know" all the right people.

Have fun out there dudes and may the Richest team win!:girlfight:

[cowpoos]

OKAY!!!!!

It seems that a mair observational comment of mine and the following small conversation on another thread with robert taylor,which had no ill feeling in it what so ever towards sam and his crew...has been taken totally out of proportion...so lets clear a few things up...huh?

this is how the conversation with robert went...


BTW..... did anyone else notice the rather illegal telementry looking device on Mr sam smiths bike in kendogs pic???


It is NOT telemetry, it is suspension datalogging equipment that we download and view in the pits. In fact we only briefly viewed this once during the entire weekend.


oh...right o then!!! my mistake...but the question is....is it legal sir?


To be brutally honest I really dont know. But it was out in the open for all to see, unlike say illegal cam profiles etc.

Sam ( as was Craig ) was there for no other reason than a very first shakedown run and roughing out suspension settings, any race ''results'' were ''irrelevant''. In Sams case we seem to have nailed 90% of the roughing out on account of the Yam having a very good swingarm and link design, in Craigs case 80% and only just by the last race. LOTS of horsepower trying to tie a rear end in knots on throttle application is a real challenge, beyond external clicker and spring setting changes.

The logger would have been of much greater help on Craigs beast.



to be honest I think its not legal at national level...not sure bout club scene...and yer...I don't really think anyone there would be paticulary worried either as either would have made similar results reguardless!! and yeah...craig sure did have the rear complaining about find a spot on the tarmac that could handle it!! man that bike could boogie!!

ps: thanks for your help in the weekend robert!! much appreciated as always!! and same to kerry!!

now how about people read that in full...and for the people that know me Robert included...they will know I couldn't give two shits if sam was on a motogp machine!! coz I know he would probally own me around a race track on a donkey riding it backwards!!





Seems to me that there are a lot of crying babies whinging about shit that they dont need to!
what sort of wanker groans about suspension data logging at a club day? ride faster you bunch of pussies! stop making excuses about shit and just get on and race your bikes, if you are not fast enough to keep up with the Smiths and Sherriffs then be big boys about it and grow some bigger gonads.
Seems to me that every man and his dog here is making piss-ant excuses as to why they don't win, well here is the answer for you, YOU ARE TOO F#*K'IN SLOW!!!!

Just my 2 cents worth!

Thanks for you PM...I read it a few times and I'm not going to repley to it...yes you need to possiblly think before you type if you don't want to offend people...and what sort of wanker am I?? the type that trys to give good tyres to people higher in the championship than me so they can compete at there best!! or make sure they have what they need to race at their best!! come and have a yarn with me at taupo...just don't call me a wanker to my face :cool:


Okay, lets get some perspective back and de-emotionalise this. I very clearly stated in another thread that Craig and Sam were there specifically to test, the results were irrelevant. Note that with these guys it is possible to have all three commodities i.e power, handling AND skill. That they were clearly having fun in the last race was a bonus for all those watching. That I will continue to try and make Craigs bike as settled as Sams is a given, but that will be very difficult given the combination of excess horsepower, Dunlops and a linkage/ swingarm package less effective than the R1.

The data logging gear on Sams bike WAS NOT telemetry and we only looked at it once during the entire meeting, no attempt was made to conceal it.

What we learn is always eventually passed through to all levels, whether they are circulating Manfield in 6's or 34's. Everyone is important to make up the sport as a whole. Its also easy to criticise other peoples riding abilities / lap times etc. Heck, if I raced I would probably be slower than that pink SV was, in part because of a keen desire for self preservation and the need to run my business.

As a parting shot I will occassionally use expletives ( never in ''public''print )but I think it is important ( even in this declining society ) to know exactly where it is inappropriate NOT to use such words.

yes robert and his team were again a invaluble part of the club meetings this year!! helping riders in streetstock right up to craig and sam!! and he even shouted me a beer and told some bad jokes ;)


I have been directed to this site after some online discussion regarding Sam Smith's 'telemetry' usage. Let me clarify a few things. There was no intention to upset those racing in the series. This is our test bed for the 2008 Championship. Points & position were not actually important to us at this event. Bike preparation & setup is what is important if we are to be competive in the up coming national championship. This is the first of many test sessions & events people will see us at over the coming months. The Racetech shock clock fitted to the machine is not a telemetry device, It measures suspension travel against time and is downloaded to a laptop after the session. I only actually took 2 recordings from it, 1 on friday (free practise) and another on Saturday. The information obtained was of no advantage to us on the day. We rely on Sam's riding skill and feedback for all suspension changes we make and the trusty tape measure. Obviously we made no secret of having the shockclock fitted to the bike. As for the legality of datalogging equipment including on board laptimers, the supplementary regulations for this series states under classes,
"Suberbike-Run under typical Formula One rules encompassing Production Superbike, modified Production Superbike........." I understand "formula 1"being open to modification and additions, likewise "modified Production Superbike"
The class regulations for the national championships are more specific and this device would definintely be excluded. The team takes all regulations very seriously to ensure exclusion is not a possibility.
Sam Smith is a talented young rider who needs everyones support in this industry/sport.
Unfortunatly shades of New Zealand famous 'Tall Poppy Syndrome' appears to be creeping in. It is not our intention to appear elitist. In fact we are trying to actively encourage new young talent into the sport. Our pit is always open for discussion to those keen to improve their racing potential. Please lets get back to enjoying our racing which is why we all do it, isn't it?

Dave Cole
YAMAHA RACE TEAM NZ

welcome to the site Dave...its awesome to see proffesional setups at club rounds...shows the other near to the pointy end people the yard stick!! reality checks are important for those of us with goals!!

[cowpoos]

Well this Pleb has seen enough cattiness, backstabbing and gossiping to not want to race ever again. I wont be renewing my MNZ License as there's no point in racing if you dont have the fat cheque book or "know" all the right people.

Have fun out there dudes and may the Richest team win!:girlfight:
now that really sux kel!!! because girl you have shown some flashes of brillence on the race track well beyond the time you have spent racing!!!

[Goblin]

now that really sux kel!!! because girl you have shown some flashes of brillence on the race track well beyond the time you have spent racing!!!Flashes of brilliance dont buy after market goodies or set bikes up properly. I had fun while i raced but I just cant compete financially. :baby:

[Robert Taylor]

Well this Pleb has seen enough cattiness, backstabbing and gossiping to not want to race ever again. I wont be renewing my MNZ License as there's no point in racing if you dont have the fat cheque book or "know" all the right people.

Have fun out there dudes and may the Richest team win!:girlfight:

I think Marty said it all rather well. There is indeed a lot of cattiness and conniving and were it not for libel I would happily name the most stirring perpetrators. But all sports are the same, my two daughters competed as gymnasts for many years, that sporting discipline really was an insight into cattiness.

Consider this, the distributor backed teams provide a substanial amount of my sales revenue of product and help to justify my presence. Ordinary everyday good people ( otherwise disparingly referred to as ''plebs'' ) will come up to me and other so called ''tall poppies'' during the course of a meeting seeking advice and maybe a little set up help / quick view. Despite being massively overworked I will offer what help I can, irrespective if I have previously accrued any income from them or not. That we can still do that in NZ without seeking money every which way you turn is one of our strengths.

By implication then the distributors are subsidising those activities. My viewpoints are conservative and I support capitalism, provided there are checks in place to make sure it is fair and that there is compassion for everyday people.

That self appraisal is a little different to one that an ex road racer is currently perpetrating. That same road racer ( who had a good deal of my time and money over the years ) is labelling me a rip off and god knows else what. But I guess those that live by the sword also die by it.

I dont subscribe to the philosophy so widely applied over the last 8 years of ''dumbing everything down'' Now I need to get some serious work done to pay my taxes for those that legitimately and illegitimately feed off both me and all others working their butts off. No apologies for being one eyed on that issue

[Maarty]

OKAY!!!!!


Thanks for you PM...I read it a few times and I'm not going to repley to it...yes you need to possiblly think before you type if you don't want to offend people...and what sort of wanker am I?? the type that trys to give good tyres to people higher in the championship than me so they can compete at there best!! or make sure they have what they need to race at their best!! come and have a yarn with me at taupo...just don't call me a wanker to my face :cool:

Hey! i am of Dutch perants, and not always the most eloquient of linguists (not much good at spelling either) Seems we are both in some way trying to help others and that can only be good for the sport. When you get as much stick as I have had and seen over the years you tend to get a shorter fuse! Would be happy to have a yarn, pm me who you actually are?
Cowpoo would be as bad as 'wanker" said in the wrong context.

[k14]

I am assuming then reading this post that the riders involved arranged for themselves to be allowed to race outside the rules of the meeting/club as a test and took no points, prizes or press from the race results?

I also assume that this was made clear to all other competitors in the meeting in some way and that the riders 'testing' did not in any way hinder those on track who were racing for a season championship?

I've seen this happen in the UK when a full spec BSB factory bike turns up and races at a national club event for testing.

In every such case i've seen the team and riders have excluded themselves from the results and the other riders have been made aware of such a situation even before the race.

A race is a race and if a rider testing, on a non eligible bike, was to mess around with entering leaving the pits and in doing so interfered with the race that would not be good at all. Equally if said rider affected the 'lesser' racers in any way even if that be by lapping it would not be acceptable.

This would all be a storm in a teacup if the riders involved did adhere to the above points but if they didn't i can well understand how pissed off some could be.

In reponse to recalling lap times etc i assume the saying 'the older i get the faster i used to be' applies here to....
But the part used wasn't illegal, if you read Dave's post earlier he states why. Storm in a teacup this certainly is, I'll see everyone at the track :cool:

[Goblin]

I think Marty said it all rather well. There is indeed a lot of cattiness and conniving and were it not for libel I would happily name the most stirring perpetrators. But all sports are the same, my two daughters competed as gymnasts for many years, that sporting discipline really was an insight into cattiness.

Consider this, the distributor backed teams provide a substanial amount of my sales revenue of product and help to justify my presence. Ordinary everyday good people ( otherwise disparingly referred to as ''plebs'' ) will come up to me and other so called ''tall poppies'' during the course of a meeting seeking advice and maybe a little set up help / quick view. Despite being massively overworked I will offer what help I can, irrespective if I have previously accrued any income from them or not. That we can still do that in NZ without seeking money every which way you turn is one of our strengths.

By implication then the distributors are subsidising those activities. My viewpoints are conservative and I support capitalism, provided there are checks in place to make sure it is fair and that there is compassion for everyday people.


I dont subscribe to the philosophy so widely applied over the last 8 years of ''dumbing everything down'' Now I need to get some serious work done to pay my taxes for those that legitimately and illegitimately feed off both me and all others working their butts off. No apologies for being one eyed on that issueYes i agree the cattiness is in all sports....equestrian was right up there too.

I have never met you but I do know that you are an expert in your field so there should be no justifying your presence. If you are helping out the everyday people at no cost to them then that is great! It just seems to me that the everyday people are only there to make up numbers so the teams with the most money can win everything they enter...be it club level or National.

[Grub]

I very clearly stated in another thread that Craig and Sam were there specifically to test, the results were irrelevant

So they advised the club of this? They are foregoing their championship points?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Sam Smith is a talented young rider who needs everyones support in this industry/sport.

Definatly no doubt about Sams skill I can only hope to ever have the sort of talent he does

But as for him needing 'everyones' support, No I don't agree.

Why put all your eggs in one basket?

It would be great to see even more people get given the opportunity he has had to get places with racing. There is some serious talent out there that is just waiting to get snapped up and used for the best

[arsnik]

So they advised the club of this? They are foregoing their championship points?

Don\'t be silly. The club is honoured to have SAM and CRAIG turn up and grace the \"plebs\" and \"minions\" with there presence, the fact they mkae a mockery of a well organised race and use it as a personal testing ground abiding by the rules or not is of no importance. Come on, DON\'T BE A TALL POPPY.

[Deano]

Hey - it wasn't illegal.

I blame the lockshop guy.

[arsnik]

Hey - it wasn\'t illegal.

I blame the lockshop guy.

LOCKSHOP GUY IS A SPEEDER. Highway patrol man got him under normandale bridge friday night. Couldn\'t believe it. went flying past me at at least 112 possibly 113kmh

[Teambwr47]

A whole 70MPH.......:eek5::clap:

Surely he won't get a ticket of any consequence for that speed if you're being serious....

Brings being let off for welllllll over 100MPH in the UK into sharp focus:gob:

[Deano]

A whole 70MPH.......:eek5::clap:

Surely he won't get a ticket of any consequence for that speed if you're being serious....

Brings being let off for welllllll over 100MPH in the UK into sharp focus:gob:

Tolerance is 11kph, so at 112kph + you most likely get a ticket.

20 demerits and a couple hundred bucks maybe ?

[svs]

Just to clarify, there's nothing illegal with running datalogging equipment at the VicClub Winter Series. They don't need to forgo anything or inform the club.

The premier class is run under 'Formula 1' rules - not 'Production Superbike' like the nationals.

The reasoning behind this is clear, at club level it allows a much wider range of bikes out on the track - e.g one off specials like Steadman 750. and plenty of other stuff that would not be legal for the the national series.

It also allows these guys at the top of the game to get their stuff sorted.

If anyone has/had an issue - take it to the riders rep or MNZ Steward on the day.

NB: I'm not secretary anymore, but I did put the Supp Regs for this year together so I hope I know what I'm talking about :)

[Robert Taylor]

Definatly no doubt about Sams skill I can only hope to ever have the sort of talent he does

But as for him needing 'everyones' support, No I don't agree.

Why put all your eggs in one basket?

It would be great to see even more people get given the opportunity he has had to get places with racing. There is some serious talent out there that is just waiting to get snapped up and used for the best

Im glad you mentioned that, have people been following the progress of Sam Love on his pro twins spec'd SV650? He has been testing ( sorry that is a dirty word ) racing in preparation for his Pro Twins campaign and his progress has been so rapid that he woke up ''codgyoldracer'' in a couple of the races on the weekend.

His bike presentation is excellent, this kid is reserved, devoid of brazen ego, very polite and a potential sponsors dream ( in spite of being a ginga! ) He listens and asks questions and is clearly motivated.

Sponsorship is not a given right but this kid is deserving and appreciative of help.

[Robert Taylor]

Now just need to get a bike and show you Kiwis the way around:Pokey:

By the way anyone here going to the Auckland club night tonight....

Going to pop along and join up.

Welcome to this former colonial outpost! I am proud that we have a union jack in the corner of our national flag, and we need more of you.

[Robert Taylor]

OKAY!!!!!


Thanks for you PM...I read it a few times and I'm not going to repley to it...yes you need to possiblly think before you type if you don't want to offend people...and what sort of wanker am I?? the type that trys to give good tyres to people higher in the championship than me so they can compete at there best!! or make sure they have what they need to race at their best!! come and have a yarn with me at taupo...just don't call me a wanker to my face :cool:

Hey! i am of Dutch perants, and not always the most eloquient of linguists (not much good at spelling either) Seems we are both in some way trying to help others and that can only be good for the sport. When you get as much stick as I have had and seen over the years you tend to get a shorter fuse! Would be happy to have a yarn, pm me who you actually are?
Cowpoo would be as bad as 'wanker" said in the wrong context.

Nownow Marty, Cowpoos is actually not a bad guy and this has got out of hand. Even though he thinks my jokes are bad. We make fun of ''dutchies'' but at least you guys are working immigrants. I will introduce you two over a beer ( Heineken ) Agreed?

[Robert Taylor]

So they advised the club of this? They are foregoing their championship points?

I am quite sure Craig and Sam are more than happy to forego points. I think Dave though may be reluctant to forego the substanial prizemoney purse funding him almost wholly into a MotoGp derived 2D data acquisition and telemetry system.............................

[skelstar]

I will introduce you two over a beer ( Heineken ) Agreed?
Hmm...who is this 'cowpoos' fellow? Think he sounds like a tosser, but a [free] beer from you might convince me otherwise.

Actually might take more than one.

[Robert Taylor]

Hmm...who is this 'cowpoos' fellow? Think he sounds like a tosser, but a [free] beer from you might convince me otherwise.

Actually might take more than one.

Plenty of business men attract business by buying people beer, isnt a better prerogative the quality of their work / product?

I will never subscribe to beer or illegal mind and mood altering substances getting in the way of work. I have seen too much shonky work and stupid costly oversights committed by people under the influence of especially substances that are inhaled, that is VERY bad when a riders safety ( and those around him / her ) is at risk.

Point of fact Cowpoos is a fine enough fellow, if a little portly.

Judging by the number of posts within a very short timeframe Maarty sure unleashed a torrent from a very large dyke!

[NordieBoy]

His bike presentation is excellent, this kid is reserved, devoid of brazen ego, very polite and a potential sponsors dream ( in spite of being a ginga! ) He listens and asks questions and is clearly motivated.

He's not a short ginga is he?
I mean could NZ motorcycle racing handle another?

If he and Shaun shook hands would there be an implosion?

Sorry, back to your regularly scheduled programming...

[gixerracer]

what a bunch of winging homos you people are the stuff sam had on his R1 is fine to use a club level and even on the friday of the nationals as this is not an official day of the meeting?
It was in fact a test day and nothing more for myselfe and sam and that is what club meetings are for the fact that it is a bigger event than the nationals dosent mean shit it just means the vic club are doing a great job and all you pussies are to chicken to come do the nationals and learn how to ride fast enough to keep up.
I see all this moaning about the richest guy wins and all this crap I have been racing since 1994 and done it on the bones of my ass untill the past 4-5 years but I have spent enough of my own money to buy a couple of houses in the first 10years simply because I love and I had a some bloddy good results on bikes that were nothing but shit you get there because you will not give up trying and you have talent or you learn the craft over a period of time this bullshit about its the rich guys that wins is usually the people with no talent complaining because they cant keep up.
If it was such a big drama that sam had this gear on his bike and I was so slow that I seemed to be getting in the way why not talk to the riders concernd or the people running the meeting insted of crying behind you fake names on the internet.
Sams the most talented racer to come through our sport since the crafars,slights etc and all you homos can do is bag him for trying to get up to speed to compete on a superbike for the very first time at 19 years of age he had never fired that bike in anger before friday afternoon so all you legends should have been kicking his ass if you are half as good as you say you are.
Now I suggest you all spend less time in front of your computers and try meeting someone of the opposite sex and go get a life if things like club day racing is that upsetting for you all I cant for the life of me think how you survive in the reall world.
Cheers
Craig Shirriffs

[Ivan]

Im glad you mentioned that, have people been following the progress of Sam Love on his pro twins spec'd SV650? He has been testing ( sorry that is a dirty word ) racing in preparation for his Pro Twins campaign and his progress has been so rapid that he woke up ''codgyoldracer'' in a couple of the races on the weekend.

His bike presentation is excellent, this kid is reserved, devoid of brazen ego, very polite and a potential sponsors dream ( in spite of being a ginga! ) He listens and asks questions and is clearly motivated.

Sponsorship is not a given right but this kid is deserving and appreciative of help.

Yo I take that to offence, Lol not really but Im a ginga lol just I died my hair black my roots are still ginga lol....

[Ivan]

what a bunch of winging homos you people are the stuff sam had on his R1 is fine to use a club level and even on the friday of the nationals as this is not an official day of the meeting?
It was in fact a test day and nothing more for myselfe and sam and that is what club meetings are for the fact that it is a bigger event than the nationals dosent mean shit it just means the vic club are doing a great job and all you pussies are to chicken to come do the nationals and learn how to ride fast enough to keep up.
I see all this moaning about the richest guy wins and all this crap I have been racing since 1994 and done it on the bones of my ass untill the past 4-5 years but I have spent enough of my own money to buy a couple of houses in the first 10years simply because I love and I had a some bloddy good results on bikes that were nothing but shit you get there because you will not give up trying and you have talent or you learn the craft over a period of time this bullshit about its the rich guys that wins is usually the people with no talent complaining because they cant keep up.
If it was such a big drama that sam had this gear on his bike and I was so slow that I seemed to be getting in the way why not talk to the riders concernd or the people running the meeting insted of crying behind you fake names on the internet.
Sams the most talented racer to come through our sport since the crafars,slights etc and all you homos can do is bag him for trying to get up to speed to compete on a superbike for the very first time at 19 years of age he had never fired that bike in anger before friday afternoon so all you legends should have been kicking his ass if you are half as good as you say you are.
Now I suggest you all spend less time in front of your computers and try meeting someone of the opposite sex and go get a life if things like club day racing is that upsetting for you all I cant for the life of me think how you survive in the reall world.
Cheers
Craig Shirriffs


Lol craig is cool, haha Im not wanting to get involved in any of this convo as I believe you 2 wernt doing nothing wrong, Oh and I still got ya helmet ya gave me 2 years ago lol

[cowpoos]

what a bunch of winging homos you people are the stuff sam had on his R1 is fine to use a club level and even on the friday of the nationals as this is not an official day of the meeting?
It was in fact a test day and nothing more for myselfe and sam and that is what club meetings are for the fact that it is a bigger event than the nationals dosent mean shit it just means the vic club are doing a great job and all you pussies are to chicken to come do the nationals and learn how to ride fast enough to keep up.
I see all this moaning about the richest guy wins and all this crap I have been racing since 1994 and done it on the bones of my ass untill the past 4-5 years but I have spent enough of my own money to buy a couple of houses in the first 10years simply because I love and I had a some bloddy good results on bikes that were nothing but shit you get there because you will not give up trying and you have talent or you learn the craft over a period of time this bullshit about its the rich guys that wins is usually the people with no talent complaining because they cant keep up.
If it was such a big drama that sam had this gear on his bike and I was so slow that I seemed to be getting in the way why not talk to the riders concernd or the people running the meeting insted of crying behind you fake names on the internet.
Sams the most talented racer to come through our sport since the crafars,slights etc and all you homos can do is bag him for trying to get up to speed to compete on a superbike for the very first time at 19 years of age he had never fired that bike in anger before friday afternoon so all you legends should have been kicking his ass if you are half as good as you say you are.
Now I suggest you all spend less time in front of your computers and try meeting someone of the opposite sex and go get a life if things like club day racing is that upsetting for you all I cant for the life of me think how you survive in the reall world.
Cheers
Craig Shirriffs
nice wind up for you first post craig!!! maybe you could share a poem with us aswell??? :whistle:

like??? hmmm....heres a good start....

Oh dear Oh dear...craig shirriffs finally logged on here??? :cool:

[merv]

Cheers
Craig Shirriffs

Welcome Craig and glad to see someone can spell your name right.

Me I was never a big time road racer and don't hide behind computer names and geez I date back to when your old man was the man on the old Yamaha MXers circa 1970.

Have enjoyed every bit of entertainment your family has put on - road or dirt.

[Goblin]

what a bunch of winging homos...


Cheers
Craig Shirriffs:spudwave: Nice to see you too.

:jerry:

[skelstar]

Hmmm...thats nearly as good as mikey's first post. Not bad.

[dickytoo]

Hi Craig,

Welcome to the site. Please stop harassing my boy Derek and you won't hear a word out of me!:laugh:

Cheers

Richard

[gixerracer]

HAHA Hi richard sorry I cant make that promise mate looks like he might go pretty good its a pitty he hasent got a suzuki then he might have a chance

[merv]

Hey two posts now Craig going well, not many more to catch up to the big boys.

[dickytoo]

HAHA Hi richard sorry I cant make that promise mate looks like he might go pretty good its a pitty he hasent got a suzuki then he might have a chance

he has taste and better upbringing than that! hey, you're looking good, sorry didn't have a chance to chat on sunday. see you at taupo.

[Robert Taylor]

Hmmm...thats nearly as good as mikey's first post. Not bad.

Theres no malice in what the one with wicked wit has said, I used to hate this son of a bitch when he was young and stupid, but happily he has matured. But it may be neccessary to reach down his throat and pull out his vocal chords. I rather think that ( like a few other road racers I know ) he is not ready and groomed for the diplomatic corp.

[gixerracer]

that hurt my fellings robert. whats mum going to say when i tell her that you called her a bitch?

[Robert Taylor]

He's not a short ginga is he?
I mean could NZ motorcycle racing handle another?

If he and Shaun shook hands would there be an implosion?

Sorry, back to your regularly scheduled programming...

I dont think the ruling sisterhood would take kindly to any scientific analysis about vertical disposition. The ginga reference was a bit of lighthearted fun poked at Sam and should not be construed as anything else.

If people have positive attitudes, an even temperament and dont engage in nastily winding people up and being short with them at little provocation then we are all better off for it.

I say again, this kid has got a positive attitude, and I wish his racing career all the very best.

[Robert Taylor]

that hurt my fellings robert. whats mum going to say when i tell her that you called her a bitch?

Alright that was a bit harsh! Youve got me worried now, with that quick wit and never say die attitude. I give up now, you win!

[cowpoos]

Nownow Marty, Cowpoos is actually not a bad guy and this has got out of hand. Even though he thinks my jokes are bad. We make fun of ''dutchies'' but at least you guys are working immigrants. I will introduce you two over a beer ( Heineken ) Agreed?

heinekin???? hmm...I dunno...depends who's buy though I suppose?? its not often I turn down a free beer!!


Point of fact Cowpoos is a fine enough fellow, if a little portly.

I'm sure I would take exception to that if I knew what portly ment!!




unleashed a torrent from a very large dyke!
I love the way you always seem to make a dig at helen clark in alot of your posts!!

[Goblin]

Alright that was a bit harsh! Youve got me worried now, with that quick wit and never say die attitude. I give up now, you win!See? it was a forgone conclusion!:laugh:

[merv]

I'm sure I would take exception to that if I knew what portly ment!!


Which part of "fat" don't you understand?

From here http://www.answers.com/topic/portly

portly

adjective

Having too much flesh: corpulent, fat, fatty, fleshy, gross, obese, overblown, overweight, porcine, stout, weighty.


Geez and from what I'd heard I thought you were a nice handsome bloke that the cows admired.

[NordieBoy]

I dont think the ruling sisterhood would take kindly to any scientific analysis about vertical disposition. The ginga reference was a bit of lighthearted fun poked at Sam and should not be construed as anything else.

I wound Shaun up about it when he joined as well.
I'm a tall ginga :D

[Ivan]

Im a tall ginga too......:Punk:

[mechano]

Im a tall ginga too......:Punk:

HA! A better description would be smiley ginga kid :P

[Goblin]

Three cheers for the gingas!!!:jerry::jerry::jerry:

[Robert Taylor]

Spot on the money there Robert, thank Maarty for brewing it, I like my tea with a slice of lemon.

A cuppa then at your place Mikey?

[Ivan]

Haha definatly nothign beats a good old ginger racer,

[Ivan]

HA! A better description would be smiley ginga kid :P

You know me?

[Robert Taylor]

Three cheers for the gingas!!!:jerry::jerry::jerry:

Okay, take your point. I have some good customers who are gingas, some who are short, some tall, some are even socialists ( god forbid )

[Ivan]

Can I ask how the subject of gingas started?

Lol Kiwibiker also known as goign off subject

[HDTboy]

I give up now, you win!

Did Jimmy log on with your computer Robert?

[Mental Trousers]

Socialist, ginga (and maybe short too). Poor bastard. Life really does put the boot in sometimes eh.

[Teambwr47]

Welcome to this former colonial outpost! I am proud that we have a union jack in the corner of our national flag, and we need more of you.

I think there should be a place somewhere over the pacific where Brits and Kiwis can shout at each other 'DON'T GO THERE'

Quite why anyone from here wants to go to a small, massively over populated, over taxed place thats rapidly going downhill is beyond me.

However speak to Kiwis going to the UK to live/work and they say the same about NZ all bar the population side of things.

Loving this place so far and it'll get even better when i get out on track hopefully. Just trying to get some bikes from someone now......lol

When i get something sorted i'll be in touch for a chat about some suspension work.

[Moteo]

I think there should be a place somewhere over the pacific where Brits and Kiwis can shout at each other 'DON'T GO THERE'

Quite why anyone from here wants to go to a small, massively over populated, over taxed place thats rapidly going downhill is beyond me.

However speak to Kiwis going to the UK to live/work and they say the same about NZ all bar the population side of things.

Loving this place so far and it'll get even better when i get out on track hopefully. Just trying to get some bikes from someone now......lol

When i get something sorted i'll be in touch for a chat about some suspension work.

As a pom here I endorse everything above. With regard to the main thread;- I have no qualification, no experience, no right and this is my first post, to comment on cheating/cheque book racing/ginga's. But, as an ex motocross racer in the UK (70's and 80's) who rode every weekend I could and only ever got a free shirt (we didn't use body armour in those days) I understand where cowpoos and the others are coming from. BUT!!!!! take a look at what the NZ Yamaha guys are doing for your sport and your country (my country too now) I mean taking young guys with little or no experience and giving them rides (albeit not completely free) to develop them into National riders and with Sam probably even higher. How good is that? Talent attracts sponsors, enthusiasm attracts sponsors. I was attracted by what the team is doing, I sponsored the team.

By the way, that was my qualification to join the thread. Sorry if anyone found it offensive, tell me where taupo is and if there's no fighting I'll shout the beers. Except for Maarty who can't handle it.........

[White trash]

what a bunch of winging homos you people are the stuff sam had on his R1 is fine to use a club level and even on the friday of the nationals as this is not an official day of the meeting?
It was in fact a test day and nothing more for myselfe and sam and that is what club meetings are for the fact that it is a bigger event than the nationals dosent mean shit it just means the vic club are doing a great job and all you pussies are to chicken to come do the nationals and learn how to ride fast enough to keep up.
I see all this moaning about the richest guy wins and all this crap I have been racing since 1994 and done it on the bones of my ass untill the past 4-5 years but I have spent enough of my own money to buy a couple of houses in the first 10years simply because I love and I had a some bloddy good results on bikes that were nothing but shit you get there because you will not give up trying and you have talent or you learn the craft over a period of time this bullshit about its the rich guys that wins is usually the people with no talent complaining because they cant keep up.
If it was such a big drama that sam had this gear on his bike and I was so slow that I seemed to be getting in the way why not talk to the riders concernd or the people running the meeting insted of crying behind you fake names on the internet.
Sams the most talented racer to come through our sport since the crafars,slights etc and all you homos can do is bag him for trying to get up to speed to compete on a superbike for the very first time at 19 years of age he had never fired that bike in anger before friday afternoon so all you legends should have been kicking his ass if you are half as good as you say you are.
Now I suggest you all spend less time in front of your computers and try meeting someone of the opposite sex and go get a life if things like club day racing is that upsetting for you all I cant for the life of me think how you survive in the reall world.
Cheers
Craig Shirriffs
Winging homos? I'll give ya winging.

I reckon it's unfair on everyone else that you got someone else to type your post. I mean c'mon, all the rest of us have to make do on our own. If you'd have typed it, no other bastard could of read it!

Prick.

[White trash]

he knows we all love him! except for possibly Jimmy mare! Oooops! nah it is Mair isn't it!!
Craig is a big boy and i am sure he isn't worried that we spell his name wrong, he has big gonads and IS fast so he will forgive me, eh Craig!
Hey! How the hell did my name get pulled in the mix? Aint my fault Mr Shirriffs is trying to woo or serenade me with poetry or some shit...... I'm just a good lookin guy I guess.

[mechano]

I'm just a good lookin guy I guess.

FUCK YEH, I'd hit it! What happened to winning or binning?

[cowpoos]

tell me where taupo is and if there's no fighting I'll shout the beers. Except for Maarty who can't handle it.........

right here dude!! ----> taupo motorsport park map (http://www.wises.co.nz/#c/30vj6/6ykyw/2/)

[moT]

this is a funny thread.. i broke my collar bone

[gixerracer]

now mr mear? haha there is no way im going anywhere near u untill u have a shave

[HDTboy]

there is no way im going anywhere near u untill u have a shave
That's a good plan. His face is covered in sharp prickles

[Kickaha]

Craig Shirriffs

Craig who?

Never heard of him :bleh:



now mr mear? haha there is no way im going anywhere near u untill u have a shave

So he's tried to kiss you to then?

[Robert Taylor]

now mr mear? haha there is no way im going anywhere near u untill u have a shave

Come on Craig, you can do better than that. Go and smoke some mind / mood altering substances to make you really angry and irrational, and then start ( cowardly ) posting under new nom de plumes.....

[cowpoos]

Come on Craig, you can do better than that. Go and smoke some mind / mood altering substances to make you really angry and irrational, and then start ( cowardly ) posting under new nom de plumes.....
or...we could just take craigs lollie pop off him...and then we would see who the crying babie is!!! ;)

[Jonsey]

Definatly no doubt about Sams skill I can only hope to ever have the sort of talent he does

But as for him needing 'everyones' support, No I don't agree.

Why put all your eggs in one basket?

It would be great to see even more people get given the opportunity he has had to get places with racing. There is some serious talent out there that is just waiting to get snapped up and used for the best

Maarty here on Jonesys line, can you name me 3 who are worthy of support. tell us who they are and what they have done on and OFF the track.
feel the challenge!

[mechano]

Maarty here on Jonesys line, can you name me 3 who are worthy of support. tell us who they are and what they have done on and OFF the track.
feel the challenge!

GLEN sachenkachenhil
chris suichicchichi
DOM JONES!

[Ivan]

I believe young William Juggins,


He is 15 years old, nothing spectacular but turned a few heads in the weekend,

This young fulla takes it serious he is getting to the point of breaking through yeah ken etcl apped him but the way he rode was awsome, When ken and James lapped him they didntbreak him for half a lap,

Not saying this being his older brother and all,

If you get a chance keep an eye out for him,


This young guy needs to earn 19 pointsat taupo and he takes 3rd in the series, all his hard work pays off,

I dont belive a instantfast rider needs it if they can win sweethelp em but dont help every rider because they can win help riders who are able to be taught and atr 15 he is more than capable my 2 cents....

Remember william Juggins #132

[boomer]

bring it to the streets.. i'll teach you all :crazy:

There's some big names in here and big bellies; all we need now is a godly one in jandals and we'll have a full house! 'tis a shame we've been brought together on such bad terms.

ps.. poos.. ya w**ker!!! :apint:

[HDTboy]

bring it to the streets.. i'll teach you all :crazy:
ps.. poos.. ya w**ker!!! :apint:

You going to teach me on the streets Dunc?
I'm slow

[slowpoke]

Well fuck me...(I've been offshore for 2 1/2 weeks and I'm so horny I'd jump the crack of dawn so anybody's in with a chance....) to think I passed by this thread for ages thinking the title was about cake recipes, screaming brats and daytime TV storylines....how right I was, haha!

From an innocent conversation between Robert and Ryan (sounds like a law firm doesn't it?) an amazing amount of piss and wind has followed. "Oh my god that crazy ex-plumber on the mega dollar Suzuki that some rich dude just gave him and that spoilt bloody school kid stole some of my points and now I'm only gonna come 6th in the Joes Backyard Beer Mart race....", gawd, it's just embarrassing.

Why do we go racing in the first place? To have fun, to improve our skills, to hang out with like minded people, for the adrenalin rush......so how does their participating affect any of that? To my mind being on the track with the best riders and equipment in the country would add to the day not detract from it. I actually paid hard earned cash to follow Broc Parkes (WSB and WSS) and some other Yamaha stars around Wanneroo on a track day a few years back. Watching them paint beautiful black lines out of the basin was one of the best days of my riding life and here some guys are whinging about getting the same thing for free!

I remember as a kid watching the Hiscock boys, Robert Holden, Bob Toomey, Glenn Williams, Roger Freeth etc and I would have given my undropped testicles to be out there with them. Sadly it wasn't to be until much much later in life (even now work conspires against me), but the important thing is they inspired me.....and I guarantee there were young kids out there or gazing on in awe from the pits who thought exactly the same things about Sam and Craig. We should be thanking them for getting involved or actively inviting them to participate rather than whinging about the form of their participation.

To Dave Cole (another living legend), Maarty, Dr Taylor, Craig, Sam and co, rest assured most of us truly appreciate the show you guys put on. Oh yeah, any time you feel like lapping a backmarker just gimme a call I'm more than happy to oblige, although it's a sad reflection of my sex life in that I'm sure it would be a lot more fun for me than you....

Isn't it funny now that everyone is all kissy and cuddly a la the daytime soap storyline, and now that the very public allegations of cheating have been proven to be absolutely false that there has been a marked lack of public apologies..........

One more thing: GO THE MIGHTY GINGA'S!!!!!!

[Ivan]

One more thing: GO THE MIGHTY GINGA'S!!!!!!



Im with ya there mate

[Zuki Bandit]

OOO Maarty, I think you got sand in your fanny there mate!:calm:

[gixerracer]

im still a plumber mate I have to go to work eveyday like the rest of you some of these idiots think me and sam and prob some others race for free but i bet we spend more money from our own pockets than they realise yea sure we get bloddy great deals from suzuki etc and guys like robert taylor are doing amazing things for us but robert is there for all of us not just somo of us and we worked very hard to get the deals we now have they werent just given to us I spent $7500 dollars last season just on paint for my bikes and that was from my pocket it makes the bikes look great and keeps sponsors happy etc and also helps attract new ones some of these club racers dont even clean there bikes let alone spend a bit of time and money keeping them looking nice.
No one will sponsor a bike that looks lit crap.

[Goblin]

im still a plumber mate I have to go to work eveyday like the rest of you....
I spent $7500 dollars last season just on paint for my bikes and that was from my pocketFark you must charge a good hourly rate eh?

[GSVR]

That special NASA developed anti-gravity paint that makes the bike lighter and stops it falling over doesn't come cheap.

Jimmy's paint bill wasn't looking too good for a couple of rounds either.

Good luck with the racing everyone that makes the effort to get out there no matter what level you race at. None of it is cheap.

[Goblin]

GLEN sachenkachenhil
chris suichicchichi
DOM JONES! and Ivan and K14 and Sam Love all deserve help and support. All have wicked skills and are doing it because they love the sport.


Does anybody actually know what rules are in place and what are not? Just in this thread alone, no one seems to know or care what the rules are. Have a look at this thread here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=55642&page=4
And this one http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=46685&page=2
There's been debate over rules and I dont believe anyone has a clue WTF is going on. How can there be a fair playing field when no one knows what the rules are? :mellow:


Anyway....I'd like to wish Chris, Glenn, Ivan, Kirk and Sam all the best for their future in racing. I hope you all do well and have a shitload of fun while you're at it.:done:

[slowpoke]

im still a plumber mate I have to go to work eveyday like the rest of you some of these idiots think me and sam and prob some others race for free but i bet we spend more money from our own pockets than they realise yea sure we get bloddy great deals from suzuki etc and guys like robert taylor are doing amazing things for us but robert is there for all of us not just somo of us and we worked very hard to get the deals we now have they werent just given to us I spent $7500 dollars last season just on paint for my bikes and that was from my pocket it makes the bikes look great and keeps sponsors happy etc and also helps attract new ones some of these club racers dont even clean there bikes let alone spend a bit of time and money keeping them looking nice.
No one will sponsor a bike that looks lit crap.

Yup, a young guy I knew in Western Australia worked for a pittance in a bookshop, took public transport to work and still lived at home with Mum and Dad just to save the dosh to go racing. He finally cracked a sponsored ride, but rather than kick back he kept on scrimping to buy a motocross bike to train on. When he eventually won the state championship it was amazing the niggly comments around the pits about how easy he had it with a sponsored ride. Fuggin' idjits are everywhere........

Anybody who makes the sacrifices and backs themselves in such an unforgiving sport like bike racing deserves every success so good onya mate (same goes for everyone who's been there and done that), and fuck the naysayers.

Take it as a compliment that people think you've got a magic carpet ride with such a professional looking set up. Good basic advice regarding bike presentation too: looking the part goes a long way towards being the part in such a sponsor driven sport.

[Brian d marge]

Data logging ...OMG what ever next .... Different lyres to suit the conditions ... Boy that will making racing expensive

Casey Stoner could have come from NZ ,,,, The talent is there the knowledge is there . but hooning around a paddock doesn't prepare one for the bright lights of the big stage.

Crickey even the pocket bike the 5 yr olds ride on go cart tracks here ,,,they have data logging

Stephen

[roogazza]

Well said in your post before last Slowpoke ! Funny how one of the modern day guns come on here and shuts them up, just like that !!! Gaz.

[Robert Taylor]

That special NASA developed anti-gravity paint that makes the bike lighter and stops it falling over doesn't come cheap.

Jimmy's paint bill wasn't looking too good for a couple of rounds either.

Good luck with the racing everyone that makes the effort to get out there no matter what level you race at. None of it is cheap.

Yes, and it would be a whole load less cheap but for the goodwill of a LOT of people. Racers at all levels need to keep this fact firmly in their minds.

[smithy09]

im still a plumber mate I have to go to work eveyday like the rest of you some of these idiots think me and sam and prob some others race for free but i bet we spend more money from our own pockets than they realise yea sure we get bloddy great deals from suzuki etc and guys like robert taylor are doing amazing things for us but robert is there for all of us not just somo of us and we worked very hard to get the deals we now have they werent just given to us I spent $7500 dollars last season just on paint for my bikes and that was from my pocket it makes the bikes look great and keeps sponsors happy etc and also helps attract new ones some of these club racers dont even clean there bikes let alone spend a bit of time and money keeping them looking nice.
No one will sponsor a bike that looks lit crap.

What a brilliant thread!!! Cracked me up sitting here in Batam, Indonesia reading this stuff. (Gotta get the $$ somehow..) Coming from Post Classics, a completely diferent sort of race class, I just wanna back Robert Taylor and co up, and give a few plugs from a completely diferent race class.

Robert regularly turns up at Posty meetings and comes around doing sag settings and offering free advice to Posties who use his shocks AND those who don't. Is it any wonder that half the field have yellow shocks on the back when the guy is so approachable and helpful??

Yes, racing does cost money, but ya can't buy talent. In the Posties, I have spent well over $40K on my bike, but back before he found LOVE, Shaga Sharpe was beating me on another GS 1000 that set him back around $12K maximum with gnarly old Konis, and a front end that uincluded Bosch washing machine springs. (No shit, ask him!). Why?? Cos he's a better rider. In the Posties we get this same rubbish about "buying speed" and yes, you do need a certain bench mark level of horsepower to be at the pointy end, but it is not the answer. Time on the track, application, thinking and a certain amount of natural talent all add up to speed. Funny how the ones that are always out there migrate to the front.

To Craig, Sam, Dave, Robert and Co: Good on ya. Don't let the foul mouthed abuse artists get ya down. You guys are at the pointy end yet still some of the most approachable people involved in Bike racing. Robert, thanks for all the support you have given free of charge over the years. I have learned a lot.
To the rest of you: If you haven't already, introduce yourselves to these guys, and learn something, then you may not be so fast to slag them off.

Cheers, Smithy, GS 1000 #9.

[Mumbles]

Don't race would love to but.... $$
I cant race so have fun helping out in the pits of friends... if they let me in.
Love to watch all classes when I can...

My home is usually open to help cut costs of accommodation during race weekends (every cent counts)

Thanks to all for the advice that was freely available when I asked all the wrong questions but was treated not as a muppet but learner. (no one asked me to leave their "Top Secret" pit area)

I cant believe that people here moan :angry2: round 4 watching the top guys working those bikes around the track O M G they rocked.... watching Sam and Craig round 5 was :clap:

I will race one day $$ (pay house off) If I had not seen it I would not have believed it, those bikes where flying. When I race I will benchmark myself off the fasted person in the class I race I don't care about what they are running I will milk as much information as I can get while on the track. If I'm lucky enough to be on the track with the likes of Sam and Craig I would love to be able to follow them for just 30 seconds of a lap ... the amount of information I could get would be greater than any data logger or timer....

BIG ups to everyone who had added their two cents to this thread. Hope all is settled on the track and not next to it. I don't agree with some if this but hay I DON'T race... you guys do!

Thanks for your time and moneys into making this sport what it is.
Luck to everyone for the rest of the year.

[Tim 39]

I cant race so have fun helping out in the pits of friends... if they let me in.
Love to watch all classes when I can...

good on ya, racing (and racers) needs more support like this too. I'm sure you wouldnt have too much trouble being accepted to help

Good on ya :niceone:

[Robert Taylor]

good on ya, racing (and racers) needs more support like this too. I'm sure you wouldnt have too much trouble being accepted to help

Good on ya :niceone:

And just so no-one is under any misapprehensions, cheque book 30%, sheer bloody minded hard work 70%.

[merv]

And just so no-one is under any misapprehensions, cheque book 30%, sheer bloody minded hard work 70%.

Well it looks like Jimmy Mair has done his bit towards the 70% going from this http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3339&d=1094358853 Red Bull and a cigarette to this http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=71728&d=1190705143 smooth looking racer.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Has he given up the smoking?

My respect goes to the racers that do it soley on there own.

The ones that pay for everything outta there own pocket and don't get assistance from mummy or daddy (young guys)
The ones that give up a social life for their sport
And even more so for the ones that do all that with zero or very little backing.

There are a few out there that are really impressive doing it on thier own!

[Sketchy_Racer]

And just so no-one is under any misapprehensions, cheque book 30%, sheer bloody minded hard work 70%.

It's all good and well having 70% of the equation as hard work. But as soon as you get some on that has 70% hard work PLUS 30% Check book, the rider with both is always going to come out the better. Doesn't neccessarily mean the one with a 30% cheque book on thier side is better.

The check book rider could have 50% hard work and 30% cheque book and still come out ther better, being a lesser of a rider :)

[scracha]

oh and now that I acctually read this thread...if your refering to my comment about noticing it....well..why don't you come introduce yourself to me at taupo next round...call me a wanker to my face and I'll fucking lay you out ya fuck dickhead!!!

I bags be bookie.


I spent $7500 dollars last season just on paint for my bikes and that was from my pocket it makes the bikes look great and keeps sponsors happy etc and also helps attract new ones some of these club racers dont even clean there bikes let alone spend a bit of time and money keeping them looking nice.
No one will sponsor a bike that looks lit crap.
Sorry for making the track dirty and upsetting your sponsors. I try my best to keep all the crap on the bike but us plebs could wash the track before you grace us with your presence Sheriff Craig? As you've pointed out, it's just club racing. We're not putting on a show for anybody. Nobody gets charged to see us. For most of us it's just a hobby, not a "lifestyle choice".



I cant for the life of me think how you survive in the reall world.
Cheers
Craig Shirriffs
If you teach me to ride properly I'll teach you how to write properly. Fuck it, just teach me how to do my plumbing and I'll save enough money to be able to pay someone to wash my bike?

What a tremendous thread and thank gawd my insomnia has led me to discover it.

Big ups to the great unwashed masses (a.k.a. plebs on dirty bikes) who're out there having fun

[Robert Taylor]

I bags be bookie.


Sorry for making the track dirty and upsetting your sponsors. I try my best to keep all the crap on the bike but us plebs could wash the track before you grace us with your presence Sheriff Craig? As you've pointed out, it's just club racing. We're not putting on a show for anybody. Nobody gets charged to see us. For most of us it's just a hobby, not a "lifestyle choice".



If you teach me to ride properly I'll teach you how to write properly. Fuck it, just teach me how to do my plumbing and I'll save enough money to be able to pay someone to wash my bike?

What a tremendous thread and thank gawd my insomnia has led me to discover it.

Big ups to the great unwashed masses (a.k.a. plebs on dirty bikes) who're out there having fun

Indeed Craigs writing skills are not as comprehensive as his on track skills. But everyone familiar with his formidable wit will recognise that his post was largely intent of humour.

That many responses reinforce the unfortunate trait in Kiwi mentality of ''us and them syndrome'' and tall poppy syndrome is unfortunate.

The point that I was trying to make was lost in its brevity, that much of what can be achieved is through hard work. Without wishing to open the flood gates we all get the same chances in life. Those that are prepared to work very hard will usually reap the rewards.

Many ( most ) of my customers are ordinary everyday people, a fact that should never be lost sight of.

[Goblin]

My respect goes to the racers that do it soley on there own.

The ones that pay for everything outta there own pocket and don't get assistance from mummy or daddy (young guys)
The ones that give up a social life for their sport
And even more so for the ones that do all that with zero or very little backing.

There are a few out there that are really impressive doing it on thier own!That's how I started....totally on my own and I have NO mechanical knowledge whatsoever. A certain person took pity on me and offered to fix my bike for me at his expense so I accepted. I still paid all my own entry fees, fuel and got myself and my bike to the track and did pretty well for a girl I thought. That certain person then put demands on me to change everything about myself from smoking to my attitude to cops to the way I dress! I refused to change everything about myself so I was told to fuck off and never contact him again. Is this what sponsorship is all about? Does one have to suck up and kiss arse and pretend to be something they're not because someone offered to help? Now Ive been told my entry to the Road Race Spectacular has been revoked and I will be trespassed if I turn up.
So that's why I'm having a little cry and throwing my toys out of the cot!:crybaby::baby:

[idleidolidyll]

"Is this what sponsorship is all about? Does one have to suck up and kiss arse and pretend to be something they're not because someone offered to help?"

In a way yes. Sponsors want to sponsor people who suit the image they want to project. The money is theirs and that is their right. It's basic PR sense.

As an example of a fantastic rider who completely failed to fulfill his sponsors requirements you'd only have to think of Jason McEwen.
Hippy could have been a world beater but was his own worst enemy.

If you choose to go your own way and not do the things sponsors require of you that's fine but try to think of it from their commercial point of view and the image of their business they want to project; after all, that's their only real consideration.

"Now Ive been told my entry to the Road Race Spectacular has been revoked and I will be trespassed if I turn up."

Now THAT sucks big time. Do they actually have the power to prevent you from riding? I'd be on the phone to MNZ or my lawyer if this threat was made to me. If you have a valid licence and meet the requirements; can they really prevent you or is some little hitler getting carried away with their own self importance?

[Goblin]

Well I must be my own worst enemy too then. McEwan was my favorite racer because he was HIMSELF and not trying to be something else.

Guess I'm just not cut out for this sport. Little hitler can stick it up his arse. I'll just stick to road riding and the odd track day.

[idleidolidyll]

Well I must be my own worst enemy too then. McEwan was my favorite racer because he was HIMSELF and not trying to be something else.

Guess I'm just not cut out for this sport. Little hitler can stick it up his arse. I'll just stick to road riding and the odd track day.

yep, i loved watching hippy too and i also enjoyed racing against him.

however, he's a good example of what sponsors don't want. As I said, it's their money and if you want it there is a cost.

next time wifey and i ride down your way (grandchillen live there), I'll give you a shout.

[Goblin]

yep, i loved watching hippy too and i also enjoyed racing against him.

however, he's a good example of what sponsors don't want. As I said, it's their money and if you want it there is a cost.

next time wifey and i ride down your way (grandchillen live there), I'll give you a shout.Thanks for clearing that up. I just cant subscribe to the "do as I say and not as I do" way of life. I take people for what they are and how they behave, not by their words alone. Little hitlers cost was too high for me so he can bad mouth me all he likes.

[scracha]

everyone familiar with his formidable wit will recognise that his post was largely intent of humour.

And everyone familiar with me will recognise I'm just a $hit stirrer.



Without wishing to open the flood gates we all get the same chances in life.

Don't be silly Bob. At primary school you should have learnt that some people get a much better helping hand than others.

Basically motor racing is an expensive sport. To get to the top, most have to start before they're teenagers. To do this they need support from parents (I don't know many 13 year old's who can just go out and buy a 125). This is no different from any other sport.

The people at the top are talented and work hard. I've got the utmost admiration for these guys but don't kid yourself that there's not 10 times as many other guys out there who would be up there had they been given the chance.

Sadly the days of guys like Niall Mckenzie {*1} and Max Biaggi {*2} are probably over.



Those that are prepared to work very hard will usually reap the rewards.

Yep, Usually

{1} At 19 he turned up to his first race on a road bike and won it
{2} Parents bought him a 125 and he worked as a courier to go racing at 17

[idleidolidyll]

..............I've got the utmost admiration for these guys but don't kid yourself that there's not 10 times as many other guys out there who would be up there had they been given the chance.....

that's the absolute truth of the matter. i've met guys who've never raced or not raced much at all who would kick arse if they had the motivation.

at any race meeting the winner is NOT necessarily the best there is; just the best/luckiest in that race on that day.

I even lump myself in that one. I won the BEARs Superstock race at the 1992 World Superbikes in Manfield but only because a crash at the front took out the 3 guys who were ahead of me. I wouldn't have even been on the podium without that piece of luck.

[Robert Taylor]

And everyone familiar with me will recognise I'm just a $hit stirrer.


Don't be silly Bob. At primary school you should have learnt that some people get a much better helping hand than others.

Basically motor racing is an expensive sport. To get to the top, most have to start before they're teenagers. To do this they need support from parents (I don't know many 13 year old's who can just go out and buy a 125). This is no different from any other sport.

The people at the top are talented and work hard. I've got the utmost admiration for these guys but don't kid yourself that there's not 10 times as many other guys out there who would be up there had they been given the chance.

Sadly the days of guys like Niall Mckenzie {*1} and Max Biaggi {*2} are probably over.


Yep, Usually

{1} At 19 he turned up to his first race on a road bike and won it
{2} Parents bought him a 125 and he worked as a courier to go racing at 17

Motivation, personal presentation etc are also key pre-requisites for most employers. Call me a square or a tory, but there are many of us who have a condescending view of the incessant relaxation of personal discipline, dress and speech standards, etc. Having said that I will take people as I find them, in spite of often thinking ''cripes I hope my daughters dont bring home someone that looks like you''. !!!!!

I have seen the wasting effects on talented people who choose to regularly smoke mind altering substances ( or worse ) and as an employer I look to absolutely NOT employ such people. Because of the effect it has on personal judgement, performance and an inability to have a rational, even and ''accompanying'' temperament.

There are a lot of people who just dont help themselves and this is further perpetuated by the handout rather than handup mentality that currently prevails in this country. But there are others who make their own opportunities through being extremely motivated. Lewis Hamilton is a shining example, and he was hardly born with a silver spoon in his mouth

[idleidolidyll]

yep, sponsorship isn't a right, it's a privelage and of course the sponsor wants a rider who is professional and motivated

[merv]

We all remember Anthony Gobert too - talent wasted.

[Goblin]

what a bunch of winging homos you people are the stuff sam had on his R1 is fine to use a club level and even on the friday of the nationals as this is not an official day of the meeting?
It was in fact a test day and nothing more for myselfe and sam and that is what club meetings are for the fact that it is a bigger event than the nationals dosent mean shit it just means the vic club are doing a great job and all you pussies are to chicken to come do the nationals and learn how to ride fast enough to keep up.
I see all this moaning about the richest guy wins and all this crap I have been racing since 1994 and done it on the bones of my ass untill the past 4-5 years but I have spent enough of my own money to buy a couple of houses in the first 10years simply because I love and I had a some bloddy good results on bikes that were nothing but shit you get there because you will not give up trying and you have talent or you learn the craft over a period of time this bullshit about its the rich guys that wins is usually the people with no talent complaining because they cant keep up.
If it was such a big drama that sam had this gear on his bike and I was so slow that I seemed to be getting in the way why not talk to the riders concernd or the people running the meeting insted of crying behind you fake names on the internet.
Sams the most talented racer to come through our sport since the crafars,slights etc and all you homos can do is bag him for trying to get up to speed to compete on a superbike for the very first time at 19 years of age he had never fired that bike in anger before friday afternoon so all you legends should have been kicking his ass if you are half as good as you say you are.
Now I suggest you all spend less time in front of your computers and try meeting someone of the opposite sex and go get a life if things like club day racing is that upsetting for you all I cant for the life of me think how you survive in the reall world.
Cheers
Craig Shirriffs


Motivation, personal presentation etc are also key pre-requisites for most employers. Call me a square or a tory, but there are many of us who have a condescending view of the incessant relaxation of personal discipline, dress and speech standards, etc. Having said that I will take people as I find them, in spite of often thinking ''cripes I hope my daughters dont bring home someone that looks like you''. !!!!!

I have seen the wasting effects on talented people who choose to regularly smoke mind altering substances ( or worse ) and as an employer I look to absolutely NOT employ such people. Because of the effect it has on personal judgement, performance and an inability to have a rational, even and ''accompanying'' temperament.



So is this the sort of shining example of eloquence and diction that is to be expected of a sponsored rider? You have said that this is Craig's "wit and humor" but for people who dont know Craig personally it comes across as everything you despise. This is a public forum so many who dont know him may see this as an attack on the "everyday" people who dont have the luxury of a sponsored ride.

Dont get me started on smoking!

[scracha]

But there are others who make their own opportunities through being extremely motivated. Lewis Hamilton is a shining example, and he was hardly born with a silver spoon in his mouth

His dad bought him a go-kart when he was 6 and his dad took up to three jobs to support his racing career. No denying the talent, hard work and motivation but without the extraordinary parental support he'd probably be down Pulse nightclub & smoking pot like most of the lads I knew in Stevenage.

Are there similar programs in place to attract young kids into motorcycling in New Zealand? Lets face it, if you want a career in motorcycling you're facing an uphill struggle if you start at late as 15.

As for a drop in standards and handout society....I blame the selfish baby boomers :woohoo:

[merv]

Dont get me started on smoking!

Well quit then!

[idleidolidyll]

It's all changed since I was racing.
I was a salesman and manager and raced for fun. there were only a couple of truly sponsored riders in NZ in the 80's and even into the 90's, very few.

My motivation wasn't to have a career in bike racing, it was to have some fun and do what I loved doing without being busted by cops.

I'm pleased enough with the races I rode but I also admire the determination of the likes of Shaun Harris who had a specific goal and persued his path to success. Same for Anstey, Crafar, Stroud, Haldane, Holden, Hippy, Rees, Molloy, etc etc etc etc (it's a long list) and all the other guys who decided to go pro.

I'll never concede that they were 'better' than me specifically unless we actually raced each other (we did sometimes) but I'll concede that their determination was rewarded, as it should be, with the successes they deserved.

Self belief is 90% of the battle.

[Robert Taylor]

So is this the sort of shining example of eloquence and diction that is to be expected of a sponsored rider? You have said that this is Craig's "wit and humor" but for people who dont know Craig personally it comes across as everything you despise. This is a public forum so many who dont know him may see this as an attack on the "everyday" people who dont have the luxury of a sponsored ride.

Dont get me started on smoking!

Yep, youve got a hard road to ho ( spelling ? ) to find the perfect road racer. We could split hairs all day.

[Goblin]

Yep, youve got a hard road to ho ( spelling ? ) to find the perfect road racer. We could split hairs all day.It may seem like splitting hairs to you but it's interesting to me to see the double standards, hypocrisy and sycophant suck-up behavior that is prevalent in road racing and in society in general.

[dickytoo]

So is this the sort of shining example of eloquence and diction that is to be expected of a sponsored rider? You have said that this is Craig's "wit and humor" but for people who dont know Craig personally it comes across as everything you despise. This is a public forum so many who dont know him may see this as an attack on the "everyday" people who dont have the luxury of a sponsored ride.

Dont get me started on smoking!

Craig is actually an alright guy. in his younger days, he even used to call me boss or sir!:laugh::lol:

[Goblin]

Craig is actually an alright guy. in his younger days, he even used to call me boss or sir!:laugh::lol::laugh: That's so cute!

[merv]

Sir dickytoo - has a kind of asian ring about it.

[Maarty]

How about a ''storming of the Bastille gates'' to have a big clean out and start again. Get rid of all the leaches at all levels sucking off the taxation gravy train and have a Government of common sense that rewards hard work and enterprise BUT also gives everyone a hand up and equal opportunity. Reverse our incessant decline in living standards ( for all arguable myriads of reasons ) Socialism is a failure as is unchecked capitalism and the free market. Get rid of all the labels.

AND, make sure the roads are kept rough while at the same time providing tax concessions for purchase of suspension upgrades....

I am kidding about some of the above.....

Hey you guys!
You are ruining a perfectly good thread!
Robert, you are a naughty boy and shouldn't be allowed to play with the others in the sand pit because you are too obliging! Although it is bloody funny to read! Anyway, from a guy with a chequebook FULL of someone elses money, thanks for all the help! Now I have to go spend heaps more on my filthy rich, silver spooned racer that has had everything given to him on a platter and who has 0 talent save for the mega-bucks bike that he is trying to hang on to while it auto-pilots itself around the track in front of all those plebs on their dirty bikes with the wrong tyres because their owners cannot afford new ones. ----PAUSE--- (sorry, had to dab away a tear!) I really hope that my TZ135 goes ok this weekend and all the new bling that my racer has been forced to wear because his sponsored have told him too is OK. But mostly, I am really sorry you had to force those ultra expensive OHLINS GP fork that another sponsor happily (bastards) paid for on to me, I really didn't want to have to accept them but then another of the massive ammount of sponsors that I have tortured me until I relented and accepted them. I only hope that the $10/litre fuel that I burn with gay abandon wont force us to accept another podium because it just isn't fair!
Why carn't I be just another poor broken arsed racer that does nothing to help myself and be happy that I have every right tobag those that have worked hard for everything. OOOOHHHH, poor me!!!:(

[gixerracer]

Hey you guys!
You are ruining a perfectly good thread!
Robert, you are a naughty boy and shouldn't be allowed to play with the others in the sand pit because you are too obliging! Although it is bloody funny to read! Anyway, from a guy with a chequebook FULL of someone elses money, thanks for all the help! Now I have to go spend heaps more on my filthy rich, silver spooned racer that has had everything given to him on a platter and who has 0 talent save for the mega-bucks bike that he is trying to hang on to while it auto-pilots itself around the track in front of all those plebs on their dirty bikes with the wrong tyres because their owners cannot afford new ones. ----PAUSE--- (sorry, had to dab away a tear!) I really hope that my TZ135 goes ok this weekend and all the new bling that my racer has been forced to wear because his sponsored have told him too is OK. But mostly, I am really sorry you had to force those ultra expensive OHLINS GP fork that another sponsor happily (bastards) paid for on to me, I really didn't want to have to accept them but then another of the massive ammount of sponsors that I have tortured me until I relented and accepted them. I only hope that the $10/litre fuel that I burn with gay abandon wont force us to accept another podium because it just isn't fair!
Why carn't I be just another poor broken arsed racer that does nothing to help myself and be happy that I have every right tobag those that have worked hard for everything. OOOOHHHH, poor me!!!:(

I LOVE YOU MARTY you and Robert are the only ones with any cents or is that sense?:laugh:

[Maarty]

I LOVE YOU MARTY you and Robert are the only ones with any cents or is that sense?:laugh:

I love to too graigggg, how is your GSX-R 1340 going?

[White trash]

Why carn't I be just another poor broken arsed racer that does nothing to help myself and be happy that I have every right tobag those that have worked hard for everything. OOOOHHHH, poor me!!!:(

Tall poppy syndrome Maarty, it's a kiwi thing, not just a KiwiBiker thing. We love to dislike those doing better than ourselves to make us feel better about our position. Sad state of affairs.......

[scracha]

Why carn't I be just another poor broken arsed racer that does nothing to help myself and be happy that I have every right tobag those that have worked hard for everything. OOOOHHHH, poor me!!!:(

Who has actually "bagged" those that were lucky and worked hard for everything? It's all in yer head I tell ya.

[Ivan]

Hey you guys!
You are ruining a perfectly good thread!
Robert, you are a naughty boy and shouldn't be allowed to play with the others in the sand pit because you are too obliging! Although it is bloody funny to read! Anyway, from a guy with a chequebook FULL of someone elses money, thanks for all the help! Now I have to go spend heaps more on my filthy rich, silver spooned racer that has had everything given to him on a platter and who has 0 talent save for the mega-bucks bike that he is trying to hang on to while it auto-pilots itself around the track in front of all those plebs on their dirty bikes with the wrong tyres because their owners cannot afford new ones. ----PAUSE--- (sorry, had to dab away a tear!) I really hope that my TZ135 goes ok this weekend and all the new bling that my racer has been forced to wear because his sponsored have told him too is OK. But mostly, I am really sorry you had to force those ultra expensive OHLINS GP fork that another sponsor happily (bastards) paid for on to me, I really didn't want to have to accept them but then another of the massive ammount of sponsors that I have tortured me until I relented and accepted them. I only hope that the $10/litre fuel that I burn with gay abandon wont force us to accept another podium because it just isn't fair!
Why carn't I be just another poor broken arsed racer that does nothing to help myself and be happy that I have every right tobag those that have worked hard for everything. OOOOHHHH, poor me!!!:(



Oh Marty I spy a cheat a TZ135 in 125 class thats 10cc's over what you are aloud:lol:

I am only joking hope Ken has a good weekend, Gonna make us so called "Pleabs"
have a chance now Adam and James are out for Taupo yay

[kickingzebra]

like anything, the great sport of motorsickle racing is spoiled because humans are the ones doing it. Us and them my arse!! if you had millions to spend on racing, it would still be hard work, and sacrifice.
Talent isn't the answer to everything either.
To those who have worked hard, and got somewhere for it, good on you, I respect and hope to follow.

To those who are somewhere in the middle, self included, don't rest on your self imposed laurels, keep pushing,
And to those who go out and give it a twist around the track for a laugh, with no hope or expectation to over achieve, good on you.

Without any one of those groups, motorbike racing in NZ is as good as dead.

I have many people to thank for what I have, My darling wifee for entertaining a life long flight of fancy, Paul, for helping out with a great bike, Craig, for helping out with temporary parts for said bike to keep it racing, Quasi, for AWESOME new leathers (makes that Astars stuff look like a two bit hooker at the prom) Stroudy for being a legendary dude, helping out with so many aspects of racing, and being a great role model, Kerry and Robert, Tirelessly helping out with suspension, one and all.

All in all its a great paddock, and a great lot of fun, but motorbike racing doesn't make the world go round.

[scracha]

Hear hear....bling duly awarded.

[Robert Taylor]

like anything, the great sport of motorsickle racing is spoiled because humans are the ones doing it. Us and them my arse!! if you had millions to spend on racing, it would still be hard work, and sacrifice.
Talent isn't the answer to everything either.
To those who have worked hard, and got somewhere for it, good on you, I respect and hope to follow.

To those who are somewhere in the middle, self included, don't rest on your self imposed laurels, keep pushing,
And to those who go out and give it a twist around the track for a laugh, with no hope or expectation to over achieve, good on you.

Without any one of those groups, motorbike racing in NZ is as good as dead.

I have many people to thank for what I have, My darling wifee for entertaining a life long flight of fancy, Paul, for helping out with a great bike, Craig, for helping out with temporary parts for said bike to keep it racing, Quasi, for AWESOME new leathers (makes that Astars stuff look like a two bit hooker at the prom) Stroudy for being a legendary dude, helping out with so many aspects of racing, and being a great role model, Kerry and Robert, Tirelessly helping out with suspension, one and all.

All in all its a great paddock, and a great lot of fun, but motorbike racing doesn't make the world go round.

Actually that is all good comment, with a few small exceptions the sport is indeed full of great people, the camaraderie is a hell of a lot closer than compared to say Australia.

[Edbear]

Been a very interesting thread!

It is an unfortunate fact of life that money always wins for the simple fact that you can't get anything for free. Progress and improvement cost! Therefore the one with the most money will always have the edge.

Of course if he, (or she), can't ride for squids no amount of money will help, but given equal skill, it's the one with the best prepared bike that has the advantage. Top motorsports like F1, MotoGP and WRC testify to the cost of winning.

Generally, the sport here shows the genuine care of those at the top towards those coming through and there has been much testimony on this thread to the generosity of the top guys. However, because racing is about winning, it is essential to do whatever one can to win and that means spending large sums of money and time and pushing the limits.

No-one really participates so that they may be known as "the nicest guy never to have won a race/series/championship". Those who complain about the amount of money the top racers are spending don't understand the nature of racing. That's what it takes, I'm afraid, and unless you have series where specs are clearly defined and restricted - as there are in most countries - money combined with skill is what wins races, not skill alone.

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