Peow! Peow! Woof Woof!

[idb]

Since no-one else has picked this one up I'll jump right in there.


Police shoot and miss 'mad' dog 12 times

Police fired several shots at a dog set on them by a man throwing bottles and a tomahawk, at a domestic incident in Porirua last night.

The man also threw lumps of wood at police and hit one officer who was uninjured.

Kapiti Mana Area Commander Inspector John Spence said police fired up to a dozen shots at a large "hyped up" rottweiler.

None of the shots hit the dog.

There is probably no truth in the rumour that, in response to public opinion, they were aiming for the dog's legs.

[shafty]

:rofl::rofl: Good piss take Mate!!

[idb]

:rofl::rofl: Good piss take Mate!!

Watch tonight's news...it happened in Porirua last night.

[pritch]

I hope that isn't "peow peow" in the sense that it's used in Morningside... :no:

Those shots didn't miss the dog. Were they not warning shots in line with the new PC policy governing the Police use of firearms which likely states that a minimum of eleven warning shots must be fired?

[shafty]

Watch tonight's news...it happened in Porirua last night.

Yeah I know - great interpretation, should I say!

[idb]

I hope that isn't "peow peow" in the sense that it's used in Morningside... :no:


Don't know...please elucidate.

[tri boy]

Don't know...please elucidate.

This may help.
Nice doggy, theres a good boy,.......:buggerd:.......aghhhhhhh......lights up cigarette.

[idb]

This may help.
Nice doggy, theres a good boy,.......:buggerd:.......aghhhhhhh......lights up cigarette.

I'm not sure that the full facts are out yet.
Maybe it'll become clear on the news at six!

[Krusti]

The dog had a hammer and was running around smashing up dog kennels!

[Skyryder]

Well if I'm any judge of a macho workforce this guy will be the laughing stock in the police locker rooms.

But on a more serious note the fundamentals of firearms safety looks like they have been ignored.

Twelve shots sounds like a panic attack.:2guns: Twelve misses confirms it. :Oops: Some serious questions need to be asked here. The first I'd be asking does he have a fear of dogs. Some people do. Secondly what type of training is given to the police in the event of a dog attack?? There are techniques where dogs can be rendered harmless.

I'd hate to have to rely on this guy in the event of a life threating situation.

Skyryder

[kevfromcoro]

Just watched it on prime...10 or twelve shots fired at doggy.
Bullet holes in the fence ..
but missed the dog.
The police arent looking to good in the publics eyes at the moment ,,,with all there cock ups

[deanohit]

God the world has gone mad the last two weeks, bloody shooting at a dog, heap of the AOS out in Auckland an hour ago and out in the Hutt. Must be some thing in the water.

[fireball]

Just watched it on prime...10 or twelve shots fired at doggy.
Bullet holes in the fence ..
but missed the dog.
The police arent looking to good in the publics eyes at the moment ,,,with all there cock ups

that explains the title of this thread peow peow :lol:

[idb]

that explains the title of this thread peow peow :lol:

Soooo...some of you opened this thread thinking it was about bestiality...

[peasea]

Since no-one else has picked this one up I'll jump right in there.



There is probably no truth in the rumour that, in response to public opinion, they were aiming for the dog's legs.


I saw it on brekkie tv and posted a comment in another 'cop-bashing' thread...police shoot another person, whatever. I'll say again that 12 shots into thin air is pretty piss poor and that dog looked overweight and slow-moving until the last few rounds went off.

I wouldn't want to be confronted by an unsociable rottie but seriously, how many cop dogs were there? How many baton-wielding cops? I feel a bit for the rottie actually, he's probably stressed out about it all and in need of some serious counselling.

Here's a funny concoction of words for ya; "police marksmen". It looked (on tv) to be more like a panic attack but that's cop bashing etc etc ad infinitum.

Watch this one turn to custard.

[peasea]

Soooo...some of you opened this thread thinking it was about bestiality...

In a way it is, an attempt to shoot up a dog.
Ick.

[oldrider]

I saw that on TV news at lunchtime.

Police have to wear it on this one, that was disgraceful behaviour with a firearm.

Couldn't believe it, so many shots and never hit the bloody mutt!

The dog wasn't anywhere near as dangerous as the incompetent cop/s with the gun. :nono:

I thought only one cop was shooting at the dog!

God I feel sorry for our good cops! :o John.

[Zuki Bandit]

The dog had a hammer and was running around smashing up dog kennels!
LOL/Well said Krusty!

[peasea]

I saw that on TV news at lunchtime.

Police have to wear it on this one, that was disgraceful behaviour with a firearm.

Couldn't believe it, so many shots and never hit the bloody mutt!

The dog wasn't anywhere near as dangerous as the incompetent cop/s with the gun. :nono:

I thought only one cop was shooting at the dog!

God I feel sorry for our good cops! :o John.

Good or bad, they appear to have gone quiet on kb

(Enter; theme music from 'The Twilight Zone')

[Swoop]

Was the dog on party pills?

[Krusti]

Well..................I could see the point in defending ones self against an armed attacker but to willy nilly fire off 12 rounds in a residential area, in the dark, well what a bunch of tossers.

If the dog was that much of a threat then wack the bugger with a baton! :Pokey:

Careless use of a firearm here me thinks.

Now.... big ups to the AOS at the Pak N Save area callout yesturday. Got the guy to give himself up after they threw a rock through the window. Good thinking on someones part...:2thumbsup

[Angusdog]

The police are desperate to prove they need tazers, they're shooting at anything that moves. Be very careful, it may not be a speed camera they're pointing at you (but it will miss...)

[crshbndct]

There are techniques where dogs can be rendered harmless.
Skyryder

yes the technique is called the double tap, usually performed by a glock

[peasea]

yes the technique is called the double tap, usually performed by a glock

Six double taps didn't do the trick tho.

[Patrick]

Good or bad, they appear to have gone quiet on kb

(Enter; theme music from 'The Twilight Zone')

Hello..................

Useless pricks. 12 shots, no danger? Bullet holes in fences? What was behind those fences? Houses at a guess... and what is in houses?

Sheesh....

[peasea]

Hello..................

Useless pricks. 12 shots, no danger? Bullet holes in fences? What was behind those fences? Houses at a guess... and what is in houses?

Sheesh....

Lots of loving, gentle folk?

:hug:

[Patrick]

Dog is dead, one way or another I guess, thanks to the loser owner...

[Timber020]

What gets me is that the dog was running from the scene after the first few shots, hardly any sort of threat, just running scared, and yet they keep popping away at it, that sort of irresponsibilty with a firearm in an urban environent deserves some real punishment.

[scumdog]

Shooting a running dog with a Glock is as effective as track-racing on knobbies.

The man with the Bushmaster should have had a whack if it was necessary - even if he missed the bullet from one of them does not ricochet like a 9mm.

[Swoop]

It has not been a very good week for the police, so far (2 more days yet to go).

I hope Mr 12 shooter realises what he is doing to the police reputation when he draws his firearm and proceeds to make twelve nice clean holes in the air.

I bet there are some bloody nervous fenceposts around right now!


Also, the rock that was thrown into the house. Is that a new "cost saving" measure so we do not need to waste money on those "old fashioned" stun-grenades?
(Hope it was an authorised piece of operational hardware, trialled, tested, approved and signed off for operational use, with all paper trails available for scrutiny and audit.):rofl:

[Skyryder]

Well there was a top cop saying that he supported the actions of the officer. Not too sure if he meant the shooting or the missing. :rockon:


I bet they don't name this guy.:nono:

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Was the dog on party pills?

No but they do have claws.................bit like a hammer realy. :jerry:


Skyryder

[Coldrider]

The dog had an owner, a hammer, an axe, several firearms including a military machine gun style weapon capable of a few shoots per second.
In fact this dog is so smart he is allowed to live with the woman who was hostage. This dog could replace Rickards.

[Coldrider]

Did the Auckland AOS have a Toy Run late Wed afternoon ?

[Mr Merde]

.....
The man with the Bushmaster should have had a whack if it was necessary - even if he missed the bullet from one of them does not ricochet like a 9mm.

A 5.56mm (.223) round ricochets as much as a 9mm when striking a suitable object.

A 5.56 mm round travels at 3000fps a 9mm at about 1300fps.

Both will penetrate the walls of the standard NZ weatherboard house but the 5.56 will have more energy remaining once having done so.

When the M16 was first issued there were major problems with the 5.56 ammo. They spun and ricocheted.

The best firearm in this situation would have been a 12guage shotgun with #6 or 7 shot. It would have killed the dog and given that a shotgun doesnt throw its pellets as far as a rifle or pistol and looses its energy sooner, there would have been less danger to the public.

Also the officer doesnt need to be as well trained with a shotgunas he should be with a pistol or rifle.

How many hours training does the average police officer have before being allowed to carry a firearm?

SD you yourself have said on this board that you get only a couple of days a year.

the average competitive pistol shooter will expend thousands of rounds in a year in competition alone, double or triple that if you include training.

Those persons in the armed forces that use a pistol (ie SAS) train for hundredes of hours to achieve a standard of marksmanship that is accepted.

This officer should be hauled over the rack for reckless endangerment. He could have easily put a round through someones home and killed an innocent. He should never be allowed to carry agian until he passes a much more stringent vetting.

Merde

[Coldrider]

Oh Mr Merde, you are another who is not going to get an invite to the secret policemens ball.

[idb]

Be fair Mr Merde!
The cops will only be trained to shoot at person-shaped targets, that's why they're so much more efficient at hitting them.

[peasea]

Oh Mr Merde, you are another who is not going to get an invite to the secret policemens ball.

Along with any other "useless pricks" who dare to question the actions of our 'finest'.

(Or should that read "trigger-happy cowboys"?)

[scumdog]

A 5.56mm (.223) round ricochets as much as a 9mm when striking a suitable object.

A 5.56 mm round travels at 3000fps a 9mm at about 1300fps.

Both will penetrate the walls of the standard NZ weatherboard house but the 5.56 will have more energy remaining once having done so.

When the M16 was first issued there were major problems with the 5.56 ammo. They spun and ricocheted.

Merde

But Police don't use hard-ball ammo.

And the stuff the DO use (from my experience) fragments without much provocation.

[scumdog]

SD you yourself have said on this board that you get only a couple of days a year.

the average competitive pistol shooter will expend thousands of rounds in a year in competition alone, double or triple that if you include training.

Merde

True.

But the non-knowing public and media (at times) bleat on about 'trained Police' like they are all marksmen, others waffle on about 'why not shoot him in the arm/leg/shoulder'.

The guy shooting at the dog should not have under the circumstances though.

[idb]

True.

But the non-knowing public and media (at times) bleat on about 'trained Police' like they are all marksmen, others waffle on about 'why not shoot him in the arm/leg/shoulder'.

The guy shooting at the dog should not have under the circumstances though.

If he'd shot the bloke that would have completely defused the situation.
The missiles would have stopped coming over the fence, the offensive language would have stopped and the dog would no longer be being wound up.
Taking away the cause of the problem is often easier and will often resolve the problem itself.

[peasea]

True.

But the non-knowing public and media (at times) bleat on about 'trained Police' like they are all marksmen, others waffle on about 'why not shoot him in the arm/leg/shoulder'.

The guy shooting at the dog should not have under the circumstances though.

Thank you. Now if we can just get his boss to see the light but I doubt that will happen.

[pritch]

That move with the rock is a bit interesting in view of what we saw on TV a week or two back. It appeared that the cop with the stun grenade forgot the bit where he was actually supposed to throw it... :whistle:

[Coldrider]

Approx 12 shots is not alot if a dog has four legs and a shoulder to aim at.

[Swoop]

How many hours training does the average police officer have before being allowed to carry a firearm?

SD you yourself have said on this board that you get only a couple of days a year.

This officer should be hauled over the rack for reckless endangerment. He could have easily put a round through someones home and killed an innocent. He should never be allowed to carry agian until he passes a much more stringent vetting.
Agreed Mr Merde.
The police have a very brief initial training period and they are deemed "competent". Some have never had any involvement in firearms previous to this.

Interesting that they require a driving licence to operate a police vehicle, yet they do not require a firearms licence...

A member of the public will gain a licence to own a firearm and then continue to learn and use the firearm/s. This is because they have an interest.
A couple of days a year is enough to "blow a bit of the rust out" refreshing some of the skills. This is not a real advancement of the individual shooters' skills.

[Swoop]

How many hours training does the average police officer have before being allowed to carry a firearm?

SD you yourself have said on this board that you get only a couple of days a year.

This officer should be hauled over the rack for reckless endangerment. He could have easily put a round through someones home and killed an innocent. He should never be allowed to carry agian until he passes a much more stringent vetting.
Agreed Mr Merde.
The police have a very brief initial training period and they are deemed "competent". Some have never had any involvement in firearms previous to this.

Interesting that they require a driving licence to operate a police vehicle, yet they do not require a firearms licence...

A member of the public will gain a licence to own a firearm and then continue to learn and use the firearm/s. This is because they have an interest.
A couple of days a year is enough to "blow a bit of the rust out" refreshing some of the skills. This is not a real advancement of the officers skills.

[Sollyboy]

I think the cop that fired those 12 shots should be fired and prosocuted , what a wanker , he cant shoot and makes poor judgement under preasure

[Finn]

I'm actually more concerned about the vast increase in violent crime. The country is going bonkers.

Come the revolution, I'm ready. Are you?

[duckonin]

Dischargeing firearms in a residential area is a criminal offence,BUT THE POLICE ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT, SO IS SMOKING DOPE DRIVING FAST CARS AND BEING BULLIES, AND BUGGAR ME THEY GET PAID TO DO IT.. where the hell did those bullets that missed their targate end up? it's a wonder a nieghbour wasn't shot instead whilst shooting at the MUTT, but you would expect the cops to miss a dog, as it takes them up to 4 shots to shoot a man at point blank range... :Oi:

[Mr Merde]

Agreed Mr Merde.
The police have a very brief initial training period and they are deemed "competent". Some have never had any involvement in firearms previous to this.

Interesting that they require a driving licence to operate a police vehicle, yet they do not require a firearms licence...

A member of the public will gain a licence to own a firearm and then continue to learn and use the firearm/s. This is because they have an interest.
A couple of days a year is enough to "blow a bit of the rust out" refreshing some of the skills. This is not a real advancement of the officers skills.


The crux of my arguement.

Training is critical.

Would you give control of a F1 car to someone who has just passed their learners licence?

I doubt it.

Then why allow people access to items that can be very lethal with only what can be considered very basic familiarisation with no real follow up training.

I know this is not the fault of the front line cop. Resources are limited and must be prioritised but with something that is potentially leathal there should be no skimping.

If we have to arm our police then please make sure that they are proficient enough to hit a target. In the US an officer has to pass a firearms course and regularly pass a range qualification.


Merde

[Swoop]

The Tux of my arguement.
Quite apt in this case.

[Patrick]

Also, the rock that was thrown into the house. Is that a new "cost saving" measure so we do not need to waste money on those "old fashioned" stun-grenades?
(Hope it was an authorised piece of operational hardware, trialled, tested, approved and signed off for operational use, with all paper trails available for scrutiny and audit.):rofl:

Nope, that was Wilful Damage. he will be charged and ordered to pay reparation...


Interesting that they require a driving licence to operate a police vehicle, yet they do not require a firearms licence...

Wrong. It is part of the course. We have to sit and pass two arms code tests with a 100% only pass. Joe Average sits one, and can get a few wrong.


it takes them up to 4 shots to shoot a man at point blank range... :Oi:

Lets see how many shots it would take you, with the arse pucker factor kicking in when someone rushes you with a hammer wanting to smash your brains in... oh, hang on, you can do it with one on your playstation ay....


Training is critical.

I know this is not the fault of the front line cop. Resources are limited and must be prioritised but with something that is potentially leathal there should be no skimping.

If we have to arm our police then please make sure that they are proficient enough to hit a target. In the US an officer has to pass a firearms course and regularly pass a range qualification.


Merde

So true, a constant complaint from the front line. The training is enough to hit the target, anyone can do it with a little tuition. What they don't do enough of is the active shooter type scenario, when the arse pucker factor is actually put into effect.

[scumdog]

Lets see how many shots it would take you, with the arse pucker factor kicking in when someone rushes you with a hammer wanting to smash your brains in... oh, hang on, you can do it with one on your playstation ay....



So true, a constant complaint from the front line. The training is enough to hit the target, anyone can do it with a little tuition. What they don't do enough of is the active shooter type scenario, when the arse pucker factor is actually put into effect.

The KB world is fullof arm-chair marksmen and snipers.


Re 2nd comment - the Simunition sure as hell cranks up the arse-pucker factor when training eh! (and hurts if on top bare flesh)

[Patrick]

The KB world is fullof arm-chair marksmen and snipers.


Re 2nd comment - the Simunition sure as hell cranks up the arse-pucker factor when training eh! (and hurts if on top bare flesh)

Heh heh... not as bad as a real round tho, but yeah, it ups the ante a bit compared to the cardboard cutout...

I remember getting plugged right between the eyes at paintball once, in the old days when you wore safety glasses, not the full face things of nowadays... feck that hurt....

[Swoop]

Wrong. It is part of the course. We have to sit and pass two arms code tests with a 100% only pass. Joe Average sits one, and can get a few wrong.
So you are saying that you get issued a genuine NZ Firearms Licence then? Which is my point.
Not just a bit of paper, with Police letterhead, saying "Pass".

[Patrick]

So you are saying that you get issued a genuine NZ Firearms Licence then? Which is my point.
Not just a bit of paper, with Police letterhead, saying "Pass".

Pay the fees, just like everyone else, yep.

Otherwise, "just a bit of paper..."

[peasea]

I'm actually more concerned about the vast increase in violent crime. The country is going bonkers.

Come the revolution, I'm ready. Are you?

I'm in, do I get to fire a gun? I would have to think long and hard about where to start though, so many options.....

[pritch]

I'm in, do I get to fire a gun? I would have to think long and hard about where to start though, so many options.....

And so many distractions. I wouldn't mind a visit to the range but with All Black tests and Bathhurst, where to fit it in...

So much to do, so little time - Peter Sellers :innocent:

[Skyryder]

So what are some of the locker jokes SD?

Here's one.

What advice did the gay cop give to the dog shooter??

:Oi: 'GET IN BEHIND."

Skyryder

I got plenty more. :beer:

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

I got plenty more. :beer:

Skyryder

There were three drug dogs talking about their handlers.

The first dog had a Scotsman as his handler.

“My owner gives me a shot of whiskey evertime I bring down an offender.”

“Shit Jock that’s nothing” says the second dog. “My handler is from Columbia and gives me a shot of coke every time I find a stash.”

Not to be outdone the third dog from New Zealand ‘You guys are onto good thing,”says the third dog. My owner’s a Kiwi and gives me twelve shots of lead and misses.


Skyryder

[peasea]

There were three drug dogs talking about their handlers.

The first dog had a Scotsman as his handler.

“My owner gives me a shot of whiskey evertime I bring down an offender.”

“Shit Jock that’s nothing” says the second dog. “My handler is from Columbia and gives me a shot of coke every time I find a stash.”

Not to be outdone the third dog from New Zealand ‘You guys are onto good thing,”says the third dog. My owner’s a Kiwi and gives me twelve shots of lead and misses.


Skyryder

His own missus?
Hahahaha

[peasea]

I think the cop that fired those 12 shots should be fired and prosocuted , what a wanker , he cant shoot and makes poor judgement under preasure

I heard 14, it was on TV (Close Up) so it must be true.

[I Smell Bacon]

The KB world is fullof arm-chair marksmen and snipers.


Re 2nd comment - the Simunition sure as hell cranks up the arse-pucker factor when training eh! (and hurts if on top bare flesh)

I was a bit disappointed with the simunition training, the rounds were so slow that you could almost see them fly through the air and if you were beyond five metres you had to allow for the drop. I reckon they should just take us out for a yippie shoot at a paint ball range, make the JB the gimp and let him have it, yeeee haaaa!:2guns:

[b1g-fuLLa]

The best firearm in this situation would have been a 12guage shotgun with #6 or 7 shot.

Merde

i dissagree. #6 & 7 shot are both clay target ammo!! It would have been fairly innafective unless the dog was shot at point blank. I would say the best number shot for this would be a #3. Larger pellets, holding enough energy to bring the dog down and imparting all energy without over penetration. Headshot with #7s at 10m the pellets would likely richochet of
the rotties skull. Headshot with #3s and it would have the desired effect. Chest shot with number 7s the pellets would not penetrate far enough through the muscle to reach the heart/lungs etc. Chest shot with number 3s the pellets would carry through the muscle, and rip up lungs/heart while still retaining in the canines body, no exit wounds. How do i know? Farm dogs are shot all the time...........

[scumdog]

I disagree further.

Using a shotgun I'd be using 000 buckshot (not enough pellets in 00 at times) for any dog sized target closer than 30 metres.

A shotgun with sights is deadly at that range - majority of pellets at point of aim.

[pritch]

(Insert profanity here) Scumdog I really don't know what to say... If the Police can't hit something at close range with double ought the problem is worse than I thought.

If the target is so far away that the pattern is lost, a shot gun is the wrong weapon. Apart from which, if the target was that far away it maybe didn't need to be shot anyway...

That one was a worry :-)

[scumdog]

(Insert profanity here) Scumdog I really don't know what to say... If the Police can't hit something at close range with double ought the problem is worse than I thought.

If the target is so far away that the pattern is lost, a shot gun is the wrong weapon. Apart from which, if the target was that far away it maybe didn't need to be shot anyway...

That one was a worry :-)

That's why I mentioned 30 metres - all pellets would be on target even if your aim ain't 100%, beyond that at say 45metres and your aim is off there is a risk that a couple or three pellets would miss (in fact there's a good chance a percentage of the pattern would not be on the target the size of a dog anyway) - and those suckers ricochet off anything from wood to hard dirt - and still carry enough energy to do harm.

But it's a moot point - those Police that have a shotty would not be the type to use it on a dog.

PS: Use to use 00 quite a bit years ago and know it's characteristics and short-falls.

[Patrick]

A plug of rock salt would work too... hear the noise, the sting of the impact then the sting of the salt.... ever seen a mutt bowled over like that? It works.