Photos prohibited in the West

[legal2]

It’s unfair, media & governments intentionally deceive people In the West. Middle East is dying and nobody knows or even cares.

Below Pictures of Destruction and Civilian Victims of the Anglo-American Aggression in Iraq (March / April 2003)

Please note that some of these pictures are not suitable for small children and those who have weak hearts.

http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_page1.htm
http://community.livejournal.com/warpics/

Holy land,
http://pamolson.org/LebCrisisPics.htm
http://angrywhitekid.blogs.com/weblog/palestine/index.html
http://palestinechronicle.com/index.php
http://www.pchrgaza.org
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/




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Singer "Cat Stevens" Oh, baby, baby it's a wild world / You were very famous and I am really happy with your own choice. I will never forget your songs and all the things I have been through on the disco when they play them.
http://www.mountainoflight.co.uk/talks_journey_4.html

[Romeo]

Good post - probably spam - but sadly, most of it's true. Ignore the tit-for-tat politics and see the Palestine/Iraq conflicts for what they are, pretty fuckin' shitty for the innocent folks (just like you and I), trying scratch a living together without getting greased.

I'll reiterate the warning,
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There are seriously disturbing images in there.
I strongly advise against viewing unless you're hardened to these kinds of images
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Doesn't matter, this thread will probably get removed. I believe it should stay TBH.

[erix]

The huge benefit of the war is much much much more pleasant than this, obviously people prefer more pleasant things for their eyes.

How many people really give a damn about these things when they can enjoy the luxury life style which builds on this invasion.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lJC1unnuwds

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tOv1PqHjMns

And you have to see this one. How smart are the people in the country currently rules the world. Sad!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

[RDJ]

Spot The Troll

BTW - if these photos are really "prohibited in the West" how is it that your personal dissent is not being crushed oh Legal-2 poster? Not to mention that anyone who quotes Fisky as representative of reality needs to seriously rethink their basic premise.

[jimbo600]

Robert Fisk is socialist ideologist .

Some more pics

[Skyryder]

I once came across pics from muslim suicide bombings of civilians in Israel.

I remember one of a baby who looked like it had been breast feeding at the time. The body was 'blended' into the mothers chest. The muslims are not standing on the high ground any more than anyone else in the middle east.

Skyryder

[Jantar]

This post is an obvious troll, and contains propaganda from an unknown source. However, as long as comments are kept on the topic of whether or not these photos are in fact "prohibited in the west", I will not move it to PD.

It will be interesting to see if the original poster ever revisits this site, and if he/she ever makes any motorcycle related posts. :oi-grr:

[scumdog]

It’s unfair, media & governments intentionally deceive people In the West. Middle East is dying and nobody knows or even cares.

Below Pictures of Destruction and Civilian Victims of the Anglo-American Aggression in Iraq (March / April 2003)

Please note that some of these pictures are not suitable for small children and those who have weak hearts.

http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_page1.htm
http://community.livejournal.com/warpics/

Holy land,
http://pamolson.org/LebCrisisPics.htm
http://angrywhitekid.blogs.com/weblog/palestine/index.html
http://palestinechronicle.com/index.php
http://www.pchrgaza.org
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/




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Singer "Cat Stevens" Oh, baby, baby it's a wild world / You were very famous and I am really happy with your own choice. I will never forget your songs and all the things I have been through on the disco when they play them.
http://www.mountainoflight.co.uk/talks_journey_4.html

Not far removed from what I sometimes see on NZ roads - hopefully somebody is as caring about that as you are about the above links.

[NighthawkNZ]

It’s unfair, media & governments intentionally deceive people In the West. Middle East is dying and nobody knows or even cares.


You are correct nobody does care... including those in the middle east... they continue to kill there own people why would we worry about it here (we have enough of our own problems)... nobody cares in the east when someone in west dies whether by a terriost act or natural disaster actually they celebrate it... yet its the east that are the first to ask for our help when a disastor hits or dicatator oppresses its own people... and when we do go in to help all hell breaks loose.

On the contrary we aren't deceived on whats going on over there... we know damn well what is happening, and till the middle east stop killing them selfs with why should we help.

Sad thing is... what do you want us to do... we put sanctions on but that only hurts the people we are trying to help (not once in all the years have sanctions worked and achieved their goal)... we go in and give aid... the aid givers get killed off, kidnapped and the food and medical supplies stolen and used on the powering faction... so we bring in security... you don't want that because you think its an invasion force... so we pull out...

For peace keepers to work there has to be peace in the first place... before you send in peace keepers you have to send in the peace makers...

man am i expecting red reps or what...

[deanohit]

Well put Nighthawk, my sentiments aswell. I reckon we gotta sort out our own country first.

[scumdog]

Well put Nighthawk, my sentiments aswell. I reckon we gotta sort out our own country first.


Here-here!!

Sort our own country out first - at least we CAN do that.

What the hell can we do about a country so far away and so removed culturally? - not a lot.

[deanohit]

Here-here!!

Sort our own country out first - at least we CAN do that.

What the hell can we do about a country so far away and so removed culturally? - not a lot.

Exactly, I'm not about to join the army (they didn't want me anyway) or some orginisation just to go and help some shit hole country that seems to not want to help it self. At least I can do something here in NZ. I have looked at joining the cops, but probably wouldn't pass the physical tests.

[caesius]

So what the hell should we have done? Stand by while the country and its people are screwed by a tyrant dictator? Damned if we do, damned if we don't just look at Somalia in 92 or whatever.

[scumdog]

So what the hell should we have done? Stand by while the country and its people are screwed by a tyrant dictator? Damned if we do, damned if we don't just look at Somalia in 92 or whatever.

But more to the point: what CAN we do?

That will make a discernable difference??

[caesius]

But more to the point: what CAN we do?

That will make a discernable difference??

Yeah I see your point, I'm not convinced we CAN definitely help, but we'd be getting blasted by greenie-humanitarian groups for not trying to help a country in need if we left 'em to play by themselves.

[marty]

the only difference between this war and ww1/ww2, is that the internet allows us to see these 'forbidden' photos. it's rubbish they are forbidden - it's just that the general media chooses not to show us them.

this pic is interesting http://www.robert-fisk.com/illegalarrests9.jpg - 'illegal arrests'? how do we know that we are just not being subjected to propaganda like we were (and all fell for!) in this story from the last israel conflict >>> http://www.zombietime.com/fraud/ambulance/

[marty]

But more to the point: what CAN we do?

That will make a discernable difference??

the sad reality is, for the current situation, nothing.

teaching our own children tolerance and understanding though is a small way of possibly influencing future happenings.

[NighthawkNZ]

the sad reality is, for the current situation, nothing.

teaching our own children tolerance and understanding though is a small way of possibly influencing future happenings.

how do we get that through to the middle east where they are bought up to literay hate westerners... because of our freedoms...

[scumdog]

this pic is interesting http://www.robert-fisk.com/illegalarrests9.jpg - 'illegal arrests'? how do we know that we are just not being subjected to propaganda like we were (and all fell for!) in this story from the last israel conflict >>> http://www.zombietime.com/fraud/ambulance/

That ambulance story was amazing - as soon as I saw the ambulance I thought "what a crock of shit"
Either the journalists who reported it were dumb-fucks who knew nothing about explosive/armaments or nothing about physics or didn't care. "Hey it's a great sotry, lets run with it - even if we end up with egg on our faces".

Or they thought their audience were as dumb
Or both.

But boy, what a phony story - and the wrold fell for it!

I always thought reporters were unbiased and analytical! (Tuis moment here)

[Virago]

...What the hell can we do about a country so far away and so removed culturally? - not a lot.

We could all spam their forums - that'll learn 'em...:crazy:

[young1]

Give the United Nations and its peace keepers real teath!!

[NighthawkNZ]

Give the United Nations and its peace keepers real teath!!

we could send in our air force ... oh sorry oh air force has no teeth either its an air taxi service now isn't it :Pokey:

[Street Gerbil]

It’s unfair, media & governments intentionally deceive people In the West.

Dude, what have you done? My bullshitometer has just exploded - it is simply not designed to handle this sort of load.
And while you are at it, why don't you enlighten us about radioactive belt buckles and aids-causing polio vaccine?

[ManDownUnder]

Here-here!!

Sort our own country out first - at least we CAN do that.

What the hell can we do about a country so far away and so removed culturally? - not a lot.

We could pour our vast untapped economic resources into it (send the dole bludgers)!

Yes - look after those in our own back yard, start there. And when we're done (as if that's ever going to happen) we can consider what to do next.

Re pics being banned in the west???? eeeeeeeeerrrrrrrr... really? West of what? I mean - everything's West of something. Or do you mean they're allowed in the East - coz again - everything's East of something. I can see them so I must be East!

[ManDownUnder]

For those that have actually seen war... what's your view?
Do/could the general public in a far off land (i.e. NZ relative to the Middle East or wherever) ever actually stand a chance of discerning what goes on?

How do we know the truth when we hear it?

[NighthawkNZ]

How do we know the truth when we hear it?

thats easy... its all properganda... the whole lot...

[Lias]

<img src="http://rebelrockrunners.org/gallery/d/15309-2/ban_him.jpg">

10 chars

[deanohit]

10 chars

Yea!!! Ya notice whatever his name is hasn't posted anything else? Doesn't even appear to have logged in to reply to our comments. :oi-grr:

[NighthawkNZ]

Yea!!! Ya notice whatever his name is hasn't posted anything else? Doesn't even appear to have logged in to reply to our comments. :oi-grr:

that because was spam and a troll...

[deanohit]

that because was spam and a troll...

Yea, figured that, seen it on a few other forums. On one gun forum I was on, it was removed straight away, but the mods are pretty heavy on there. :nono:

[Tank]

On one gun forum I was on, it was removed straight away, but the mods are pretty heavy on there. :nono:

Gee - what could possibly be posted on a gun forum that would require moderation?

:msn-wink:

[deanohit]

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums is pretty heavily monitored, no swearing or joking at all, although I think they don't get the kiwi sense of humor. Had one of my posts edited because I described the stock of one of my rifles as "looking like shit". I mean c'mon!!!! Great place for technical info, but I'd rather hang out on KBer.

[Skyryder]

Gee - what could possibly be posted on a gun forum that would require moderation?

:msn-wink:

Another opinion. Use to love taking on some of those bozo's. They would go on about how much better their democracy and their freedoms were against anyone elses and when I told them I was a 'subject of the Queen' that would realy set them off on how superior their system was as against the British. They thought I was British. Anway I use to realy fuck 'em off :girlfight:by saying that our laws, unlike the Americans don't get lost. :crybaby:

Skyryder

[legal2]

Romeo,
Some westerns are so ignorant and gullible that they allow the media to decieve them. Its always "a sucide bomber killed this many" and "violent palestinian boys throw rocks" but if we look at the bigger picture its a rock against a tank, apache helicopters, grenades and the list goes on. From this view it is quite simple to see the injustice.

things like 9/11 happen daily in palestine only like 10X more inhuman all due to american funds..


Today Terrorism is defined by the American government as the threat or the use of violence to advance a political cause by individuals or groups, whether acting for or in opposition to established governmental authority, when such actions are intended to shock, stun, or intimidate a target group wider than the immediate victims. Actually such a general definition will include all wars of liberation from the American War of Independence to the French Revolution. The worst aspect and perhaps the most common feature of terrorism is the unleashing of violence against innocent civilians.

The State of Israel is the most recent example of the establishment of a state by terrorism. It was established by Jewish terrorist groups, the most infamous of which was the Stern Gang.


http://www.bubbleshare.com/album/46717/overview
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/spip/
http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/contemporary/tia_index.htm
http://www.bigcampaign.org/
http://www.duke.org/
http://pilger.carlton.com/

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Singer "Cat Stevens" Oh, baby, baby it's a wild world / You were very famous and I am really happy with your own choice. I will never forget your songs and all the things I have been through on the disco when they play them.
http://www.mountainoflight.co.uk/talks_journey_4.html

[Jantar]

Welcome back legal2, I apologise to you as I really thought this would be a one post wonder, and we would never hear from you again.

I am intrigued that you claim the images (and stories) you refer to are prohibited in the west. Where do you get that idea from?

[Skyryder]

The State of Israel is the most recent example of the establishment of a state by terrorism.

You're talking '48. You seem have forgotten that Hamas took over the Gaza Strip with the gun. That was in 2007. A little more recent than you acknowledge.

Skyryder


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[Sanx]

Never could resist a good trolling...


Some westerns are so ignorant and gullible that they allow the media to decieve them. Its always "a sucide bomber killed this many" and "violent palestinian boys throw rocks" but if we look at the bigger picture its a rock against a tank, apache helicopters, grenades and the list goes on. From this view it is quite simple to see the injustice.

No, it's little Palestinian boys throwing rocks in a staged 'protest' against something, but behind the little rock-throwing boys are well-armed militant muslims with sniper rifles. Or did you forget about that?


things like 9/11 happen daily in palestine only like 10X more inhuman all due to american funds..

30,000 people die daily as a result of Israeli 'terrorism'? Israeli terrorists fly 40 jets into buildings each day? No - thought not. And how does the source of the funds make an act more inhumane? A death is a death. I'm pretty sure the victim of a suicide bombing or an Israeli assination doesn't suffer 10x more depending on whose money was used to buy the bomb? Your logic is fatally flawed, and you've just showing yourself to be the ignorant and gullible one. And what's worse, you then log onto a biker board to spread your lies and hate.


Today Terrorism is defined by the American government as the threat or the use of violence to advance a political cause by individuals or groups, whether acting for or in opposition to established governmental authority, when such actions are intended to shock, stun, or intimidate a target group wider than the immediate victims. Actually such a general definition will include all wars of liberation from the American War of Independence to the French Revolution. The worst aspect and perhaps the most common feature of terrorism is the unleashing of violence against innocent civilians.

Yes. And?


The State of Israel is the most recent example of the establishment of a state by terrorism. It was established by Jewish terrorist groups, the most infamous of which was the Stern Gang.

Bullshit of the highest order. Now you've just descended into the realm of Zionist global conspiracy fantasy. Next you'll be telling us all about this book called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, huh? The Stern gang were a Jewish terrorist gang responsible for quite a few bombings in pre-1948 Palestine, including the famous destruction of the King David hotel. But to state that Israel was founded by terrorists is, simply, complete and utter shite.

And exactly the same accusation could be levelled at Yasser Arafat, founder of the Palestinian state. Life-long terrorist, who didn't have the intelligence to change after the Palestinian state became quasi-independent. Not to mention when he died, he had an estimated US$3 billion in his swiss bank accounts - stolen from aid payments to the Palestinian Authority.

[Quasievil]

Palestinian state became quasi-independent.


I would never allow that to happen..........not ever, I must dominate the world
Even though Im not really a Hands on Evil kinda guy

[Finn]

things like 9/11 happen daily in palestine only like 10X more inhuman all due to american funds..

Cool. Then it will be all over soon and we won't have to listen to their bitching.

Is it possible to invest in this fund?

[Street Gerbil]

legal2, stereotyping can only get you so far. We are all bikers here, but despite undeserved but somewhat sticky reputation, it does not necessarily make us ignorant bigots. Your wares will sell better on neo-Nazi, Marxist, and radical Islam forums, although I suppose preaching to a choir will not be as much fun as trying to recruit a few acolytes from this board.

[Hillbilly]

So, how long before this ends up in PD?? :yawn: From the thread title i thought it had something to do with censorship and civil liberties.

[legal2]

Jantar,

Photos from reliable sources in the Internet.

The funny is, America, like Israel, was created by Europeans through a genocide of the indigenous people. White settlers drove the American Indians off their ancestral land. If they fought, they were killed. Indians were confined to a few reservations. No thought was given to the rights of the Indians.

Whites believed that God wanted them to have the land. Until recent years, the Indian genocide was celebrated in Western movies, and never criticized in schools. Just as Indians were considered uncivilized heathens not deserving basic rights; so are the Palestinians. The parallels between the establishment of the American and Israeli states are many. The American genocide and enslavement of African people likewise has been insufficiently recognized, criticized, or corrected.

Racism thrives at a subconscious level in the vast majority of Americans' minds. Americans consider themselves and their country to be especially righteous and blessed by God. The Israeli Jews, of course, consider themselves the 'Chosen People'. The religious bigotry and tribalism inherent in this idea require no comment.

Many fundamentalist Christians are 'Friends of Israel'. They take the Book of Revelations in the New Testament very seriously. They believe that Christ's Second Coming to Earth will be preceded by the re-establishment of the Kingdom of Israel and a war over Israel. All the more reason for Protestants to help establish Israel and remain its 'friend'.


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Singer "Cat Stevens" Oh, baby, baby it's a wild world / You were very famous and I am really happy with your own choice. I will never forget your songs and all the things I have been through on the disco when they play them.
http://www.mountainoflight.co.uk/talks_journey_4.html

[Hillbilly]

So Legal2, can you please explain this photo (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=877365#post877365)?

[NighthawkNZ]

Photos from reliable sources in the Internet...
reliable internet source... ahhahahaha :lol: funny shit good joke...

Now there is some truth, but only half truths in your last post. But we are now talking past, history and not now and present... the views of the past are different to the views of the present... people now make there own minds and have true freedom of choice and speech, where as in the past they didn't

Over all if the all the west wanted to truely commit genocide... trust us, you would know about it... it wouldn't be a conspirary theory... you would simply know If all the west truely wanted that land for its oil and rid the people... its called a nueclear strike... wipe all living things out... geocide and at the end of the day we could still pump the oil out... and since that hasn't happened yet must mean that not all westerners want to commit genocide and no all westerners want that land, and we don't give a croc about the oil.

Religion in this world has a lot to answer for, it has cause so much pain and suffuering of the years (on both so called sides...) holy wars, jehad etc, and if you are one of these religious phonatics then you have just as much to answer for... I will not put any one down for there beliefs, but if you don't listen to the other side, with an open mind, and will only believe your propaganda then your just as bad...

I for one don't fall for any of it... if that means I go to hell so be it, but it means I go to hell knowing I haven't caused any or anyones pain and suffering, or lied and spread propaganda, or blindly followed an ancient books writings, but I had true freedom choice, I am not force feed any religon propaganda, nor will I force feed any off spring, deep down I know what is good, what is bad... right and wrong...

Its about time the east woke up to see that and stop blindly hating...

Going back to the orginal post and title
Photos prohibited in the West if the photos (that I have seen many times before) were truely prohibited then they would be sensored out at a server level and we would not see them now... similar to what they do in China... no they are not prohibited in the media either, the media simply choose not to show, that is their freedom of choice and it is up to us to seek both sides of the story and make our own decision... thats our freedom and not to simply not blindly follow

[Sanx]

Hmm, I notice you chose not to respond to my post. wonder why that might be.

Now - let's disect your latest offering.


Photos from reliable sources in the Internet.

Your definition of reliable obviously differs from that used by the rest of the population. Robert Fisk is a known bigot. he's English, yet resides in Beruit. He's harboured a hatred for Israel for a long time, probably as a result of seeing the results of the Sabra and Shatila massacres. Of course, you'll know what I'm talking about and will happily be able to fill us in on who actually carried the massacres out. Since then, Robert Fisk has spent most of his time criticising Israel for anything he can think of. His articles are biased in the extreme and many are laughable for their factual errors and inconsistencies. Quite frankly, I didn't bother looking through your 'banned' photos - which aren't - 'cos I have no interest in them, but the web addresses said more than enough about the reliability of these sources.


The funny is, America, like Israel, was created by Europeans through a genocide of the indigenous people. White settlers drove the American Indians off their ancestral land. If they fought, they were killed. Indians were confined to a few reservations. No thought was given to the rights of the Indians.

And your point is? Would you like me to go into the various genocidal massacres of ethnic groups in muslim countries? The Kurds in Turkey and Iraq, for instance. Or how ethnic Palestinians are currently treated in Jordan? Or the blatant discrimination against Circassians and Druze in Syria?

And why do you think that Israeli Jews are not the indigenous people of Israel? There's absolutely no doubt that Jerusalem was the hub of Judaism long before Christianity and Islam. Jews have had a continued presence in the area for 5000 odd years, which by your reasoning makes them just as entitled to that area as anyone else.


Whites believed that God wanted them to have the land. Until recent years, the Indian genocide was celebrated in Western movies, and never criticized in schools. Just as Indians were considered uncivilized heathens not deserving basic rights; so are the Palestinians. The parallels between the establishment of the American and Israeli states are many. The American genocide and enslavement of African people likewise has been insufficiently recognized, criticized, or corrected.

White's didn't necessarily believe that God wanted them to have the land - they just wanted it. There was no particular spritiual reason for invading and taking the land. Likewise, the native population's discrimination wasn't because they were heathens - it's because they were different.

As for the American 'genocide and enslavement (sic) of African people': it has been recognised, criticised and apologised for. However, the Islamic countries involvement in the slave trade (especially Saudi and Yemen) is never talked about. Some historians (http://www.britannica.com/blackhistory/article-24156) estimate that between 11 and 18 million slaves were taken to middle-eastern countries between the years 900 and 1900. The Arabs weren't too fussed where they got the slaves either. Eastern-european countries were a popular source, so much so that etymological roots of the word 'Slave' comes from 'Slav' (as in 'Yugoslavia'). Historian Robert Davis estimates that between 1 and 1.25 million europeans were captured and sold as slaves by Barbary Pirates between the 16th and 19th centuries.


Racism thrives at a subconscious level in the vast majority of Americans' minds. Americans consider themselves and their country to be especially righteous and blessed by God. The Israeli Jews, of course, consider themselves the 'Chosen People'. The religious bigotry and tribalism inherent in this idea require no comment.

And of course you have proof of this ludicrous claim, do you? "Racism thrives at a subconscious level in the vast majority of Americans' minds." What a load of crap. How can you possibly make a sweeping assumption about a population of 300 million? If you'd said that racism thrives in the minds of whilte americans who've lived there for 5 generations or more, you might get some credibility. But you didn't say that as you needed to somehow make a spurious link to the Jews' belief (not just Israeli Jews, as you incorrectly stated) that they are "God's Chosen People". And if you want to go down the path of talking religious bigotry, you're on very very thin ice, as the main proponents of religious intolerance and discrimintation in the world today are the Muslim nations of the middle east. Even your beloved Palestinians practice that quite nicely, with Hammas looking to impose Sharia law in Gaza and make the country a fundamentalist state.


Many fundamentalist Christians are 'Friends of Israel'. They take the Book of Revelations in the New Testament very seriously. They believe that Christ's Second Coming to Earth will be preceded by the re-establishment of the Kingdom of Israel and a war over Israel. All the more reason for Protestants to help establish Israel and remain its 'friend'.


Yes - that's true. What's it got to do with the plight of the Palestinians?