Banned in the UK

[Geemsee]

Here's a question for you then, due to a bit of over exuberance :nono: on a quiet country road over here in blighty back in (our) spring whilst being followed by an unmarked cop car :shit: !! there's a fair chance I might be getting a hefty ban (12 months anyone?!). However i'm off to NZ next year with work and was wondering what the state of play would be over there. I think if i'm reading the NZ transport website correctly then a ban here is a ban there, but it doesn't really say if you can't somehow negotiate something or just start from scratch. Anyway, I was just seeing if there was some way I could get around it, if you've got any advice it'd be much appreciated?!

[Mr Merde]

Here's a question for you then, due to a bit of over exuberance :nono: on a quiet country road over here in blighty back in (our) spring whilst being followed by an unmarked cop car :shit: !! there's a fair chance I might be getting a hefty ban (12 months anyone?!). However i'm off to NZ next year with work and was wondering what the state of play would be over there. I think if i'm reading the NZ transport website that a ban here is a ban there, but was just seeing if there was some way around it, I could just retake my test couldn't I, anyway if you;ve got any advice it'd be appreciated?!

Pop over to the IOM for a two week holiday. Go for your bike licence there using the hotel as your address.

An IOM licence is treated as a foriegn licence in the mainland. Legal to ride/drive on for 1 year from date of entry. I was banned for 7 years on my UK licence for excessive speed on the M4, took my UK licence but I kept riding on my NZ licence for the whole time. Just made sure I had a day trip to Calais at leadt once a year.

[Macktheknife]

Strictly speaking, yes, banned is banned. However you may be able to get an International licence before you hand yours in (if you havent already) and then drive on that.

[Geemsee]

I tried the international route but the friendly post office said: you don't need one for NZ! and apparently you still have to carry your UK licence with it for it to be valid! sadly!! thanks anyway!

[Geemsee]

IF somehow, i managed to hang on to ( a copy of ) the licence what then? what sort of checks are made over there ?

[Geemsee]

...seven years is some going, did you reach Mach 1 or something?!

[Mr Merde]

Go the IOM way.

Learnt this when I was riding despatch in the UK. A lot of the professional riders have overseas licences.

Takes the cops about 6 months to prosecute a foriegn licence. Thats 6 months of paper work they dont want to do. (Mate of mine was in South Wales force on traffic and he told me to do this also).

Always ride with your foriegn licence. Most of the time the cops will give you a lecture and tell you to be on your way.

[ajturbo]

Strictly speaking, yes, banned is banned. However you may be able to get an International licence before you hand yours in (if you havent already) and then drive on that.

that is what my mate did from nelson... lost licence.. but still had his International... left the cuntry for 1 year.. for work .. came back got licence.. all good!!!

[Geemsee]

ok might try that idea, Ta!

[Macktheknife]

IF somehow, i managed to hang on to ( a copy of ) the licence what then? what sort of checks are made over there ?

Normally no checks are made, but the IOM way sounds like a good dodge.
Failing that what country are you stopping at on your way down here, maybe you could get one there?

[gixermike]

You could probably just do your test when you get here...

In a similar vain I need to do my NZ licence in a few weeks (work contract says I must do it within a year of first being here...even though I'll have left and come back)....but I would like to keep my bike licence on the uk one until the 12 months ha fully gone...just for maximum donut fund 'avoidance'.

any one know what the rules are? If you do one scratch and sniff, do you have to do both together? you have to pay twice, so I reckon I should be able to transfer the car and not the bike....

Mike

[Geemsee]

Not sure yet, all sorts of places with a bit of luck. Hey, maybe i'll just get a push bike, could do with losin a few pounds! Cheers!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Pop over to the IOM for a two week holiday. Go for your bike licence there using the hotel as your address.

An IOM licence is treated as a foriegn licence in the mainland. Legal to ride/drive on for 1 year from date of entry. I was banned for 7 years on my UK licence for excessive speed on the M4, took my UK licence but I kept riding on my NZ licence for the whole time. Just made sure I had a day trip to Calais at leadt once a year.

OK, so I am going to the TT next year, I am a NZer and I come back here, get pulled up by the local Pleece, do I:

give them my international IOM licence; or

am I forced to give them my licence from NZ? (Given I am riding a bike with a n address which is my work PO Box) but I live in NZ?

i.e. is the requirement to hand over a licence just a requirement to provide any valid licence you happen to have, OR is it inferred that its the one that Uncle Helen gave me? (actually when I got it I think it was either Uncle Norm or Uncle Bill or maybe Uncle Rob, but whatever).

i.e. does this only work for non permanent residents?

[marty]

many cops are on to this game - especially HP cops. if an aussie or english 'tourist' hands over a licence from a different country, but the vehicle is registered to them here, a quick details check will discover if they have a NZ licence. if they have a NZ licence, then even if they produce an aussie etc one, the details of the NZ one stand.

[FlyingDutchMan]

AFAIK: You can only use an international license for 12 months from the first time you enter NZ. If you first entered longer ago than that then you'll need a NZ license.

[Grahameeboy]

ok might try that idea, Ta!

Why not just claim you have lost your licence and get a duplicate now so you have 2 licences. You hand in 1, keep the other for when you arrive in NZ.

As far as I know a UK licence is also an international licence. I always showed my old paper UK licence without problems.

[Ewan Oozarmy]

AFAIK: You can only use an international license for 12 months from the first time you enter NZ. If you first entered longer ago than that then you'll need a NZ license.

I've checked with the cops and the AA and both told me my UK license is valid here for 1 year from last point of entry.

[Mr Merde]

I've checked with the cops and the AA and both told me my UK license is valid here for 1 year from last point of entry.

Exactly and in reverse the NZ one is valid in the UK for 1 year from last date of entry. I just made sure that once a year I went to France for a day.

[90s]

Go the IOM way.

Learnt this when I was riding despatch in the UK. A lot of the professional riders have overseas licences.

Takes the cops about 6 months to prosecute a foriegn licence. Thats 6 months of paper work they dont want to do. (Mate of mine was in South Wales force on traffic and he told me to do this also).

Always ride with your foriegn licence. Most of the time the cops will give you a lecture and tell you to be on your way.

Is this why I was let off from speeding in Canada by a village people style cop? I thought he just liked me for me :buggerd:

[Geemsee]

Why not just claim you have lost your licence and get a duplicate now so you have 2 licences. You hand in 1, keep the other for when you arrive in NZ.

As far as I know a UK licence is also an international licence. I always showed my old paper UK licence without problems.
might try this idea too!!!!

[Skyryder]

I'm old school on this. If you have lost your licence in another country and as a result have no 'valid' licence to drive over here. Stay away. There's enough clods on the road over here as it is with out fucking imports coming over and 'deliberatly' breaking our laws.

Skyryder

[Grahameeboy]

I'm old school on this. If you have lost your licence in another country and as a result have no 'valid' licence to drive over here. Stay away. There's enough clods on the road over here as it is with out fucking imports coming over and 'deliberatly' breaking our laws.

Skyryder

I see your point, however, speeding is hardly clodding and plus who are we to preach:whistle:

[Skyryder]

I see your point, however, speeding is hardly clodding and plus who are we to preach:whistle:

I'm not preaching on the speeding far from it. But deliberately cirumventing our laws:Oi: that's another story.

Skyryder

[Orangebox]

I am in the same position, and emailed DVLA.
A UK ban is ONLY a ban in the UK. It DOES NOT apply in other countries.

However, you have to surrender your licence to the court...

You will need an international drivers permit, and it would be totally illegal of me to suggest that you say that you've lost your licence and apply for a duplicate to produce in NZ. (Actually, you surrender the duplicate in the UK and keep your original for NZ).

12 month ban though... that's DWDCAA or Dangerous Driving. Oopsy.
Being represented at court for that level of offence is mandatory... MAKE SURE you, or a solicitor go, or you'll get arrested for non-attendance at a later date.

HTH. :)

[Geemsee]

I am in the same position, and emailed DVLA.
A UK ban is ONLY a ban in the UK. It DOES NOT apply in other countries.

However, you have to surrender your licence to the court...

You will need an international drivers permit, and it would be totally illegal of me to suggest that you say that you've lost your licence and apply for a duplicate to produce in NZ. (Actually, you surrender the duplicate in the UK and keep your original for NZ).

12 month ban though... that's DWDCAA or Dangerous Driving. Oopsy.
Being represented at court for that level of offence is mandatory... MAKE SURE you, or a solicitor go, or you'll get arrested for non-attendance at a later date.

HTH. :)
It was Dangerous (allegedly) though crossin a single solid white line at the end of an overtake (10m?) and 90 in a 60 on a quiet back road in hicksville is hardly wheelying past a school in the rain... in my humble opinion. I could be wrong though?!

First offence too, previously clean licence!

Ah England, birthplace of democracy..........my a*se!!

I will be attending court though, i don't fancy visiting the grey bar hotel!!

[Geemsee]

I'm not preaching on the speeding far from it. But deliberately cirumventing our laws:Oi: that's another story.

Skyryder
So hang on a minute, circumventing laws = NO, but speeding = OK, right?

but....isn't speeding 'circumventing' ? or as its only circumventing a bit that must be ok then??

I see, now thats an even handed approach!!

[jazbug5]

I am in the same position, and emailed DVLA.
A UK ban is ONLY a ban in the UK. It DOES NOT apply in other countries.


OB? Is that you?

[Pancakes]

Pop over to the IOM for a two week holiday. Go for your bike licence there using the hotel as your address.

An IOM licence is treated as a foriegn licence in the mainland. Legal to ride/drive on for 1 year from date of entry. I was banned for 7 years on my UK licence for excessive speed on the M4, took my UK licence but I kept riding on my NZ licence for the whole time. Just made sure I had a day trip to Calais at leadt once a year.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to hear this story! What the hell where you doing?


Back to the topic, stop in Raro' or Bali on the way, donation to the cops and your on your way.

[Pancakes]

I'm not preaching on the speeding far from it. But deliberately cirumventing our laws:Oi: that's another story.

Skyryder

They're not MY laws, cripes, circumvent to your hearts content! Don't kill anyone or steal peoples stuff or bludge off the dole. Other than that you have my seal of approval.

[Geemsee]

They're not MY laws, cripes, circumvent to your hearts content! Don't kill anyone or steal peoples stuff or bludge off the dole. Other than that you have my seal of approval.
Thanks Pancakes! I was beginning to wonder whether movin to NZ was such a good idea then for a minute!!

[Mikkel]

Hmm - something I've been wondering about... Let's say I had a foreign license and got a kiwi license as I entered the country. Then suppose I got framed and got a suspension of my kiwi license for some random period. What where to happen if I went driving on my foreign license which is still valid since it's not been over a year since I entered the country the last time. Two scenarios:

1. I'm one of the registred owners of the vehicle I get pulled over in.
2. I'm "borrowing" my partners/friends car - of which she/he is the sole registred owner - with her/his permission ofc.

This is of course just some thought up scenario which would be very unlikely to ever occur of course...

And yeah - Mr. Merde I'm slightly curious what you did too. Forgot you weren't on the Isle of Man anymore... or?

[Pancakes]

Thanks Pancakes! I was beginning to wonder whether movin to NZ was such a good idea then for a minute!!

'course it's a good idea. It's like any other country tho'. Made up of c*nt's and tree's. You can choose who you hang out with. I like tree's. Our beaches are clean and nice in the quiet spots too. Although there's something to be said for dirty beaches, like the ones in Essex, dirty Essex beaches. Heh heh heh.

[Mr Merde]

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And yeah - Mr. Merde I'm slightly curious what you did too. ...... or?

PM sent .......

[Skyryder]

They're not MY laws, cripes, circumvent to your hearts content! Don't kill anyone or steal peoples stuff or bludge off the dole. Other than that you have my seal of approval.

'Ours' is the collective as in New Zealand but since you have declared your independence and your abode is now a state on it's own please accept my humble apologies but you should have informed me via the diplomatic protocols that are inherent with self governance. :done:

Skyryder

[Pancakes]

I put an ad in small print, page 348 of the Herald. Down the bottom left as required. Also sent a memo around parliment but as Winston says, there are thousands of those things, who reads them all?

[Geemsee]

They're not MY laws, cripes, circumvent to your hearts content! Don't kill anyone or steal peoples stuff or bludge off the dole. Other than that you have my seal of approval.
Ok, so its been nigh on a year now but I finally got to NZ (few months ago!!) , licence intact and looking forward to some summer riding!! Had to sell my soul to the devil but hey, small price to pay!!

[TimeOut]

Hi and welcome

Which part of the long white cloud you in

[Bikernereid]

So are you exchanging your UK license? I am interested as I am looking at moving to NZ and would like to keep the UK license if it means that I wont get any points on it if I should do something naughty- by accident of course.

The advice of leaving NZ once a year to keep the UK license seems to make sense if so.

[ChookThief]

Let's say I had a foreign license and got a kiwi license as I entered the country. Then suppose I got framed and got a suspension of my kiwi license for some random period. What where to happen if I went driving on my foreign license which is still valid since it's not been over a year since I entered the country the last time.


When you are suspended or disqualified on your NZ licence you cannot drive on your overseas licence. The suspension or disqualification is for the person regardless of your licence type or status. You are suspended or disqualified from driving, not from holding a licence. That's why people who don't even hold any type of licence can be suspended or disqualified from driving.

[Geemsee]

So are you exchanging your UK license? I am interested as I am looking at moving to NZ and would like to keep the UK license if it means that I wont get any points on it if I should do something naughty- by accident of course.

The advice of leaving NZ once a year to keep the UK license seems to make sense if so.
Well i'm hanging on to my UK licence for as long as I can, i'm sure theres lots of rules and regs you can get bogged down with but as you say at the moment if you nip out the country once a year you get to keep it...until they close that loophole! And as far as I'm aware you can't get demerit points on an overseas licence yet... that said I'm sure you could still be 'banned' if you were being too naughty ....ahem!!

[Geemsee]

Hi and welcome

Which part of the long white cloud you in
Auckland, big suprise huh?!