Crackdown on pavement parking in Akld.

[SpankMe]

Went down to the city center to see a mate you has a shop there and parks his BMW adventure bike on the pavement. It's in no nobody's ways as it's between a phone box and the pavement edge, but he gets a ticket today for the first time.


After talking to the warden, he's told that they had a meeting today and were told to crack down on bikes parked on the pavement.

What the fuck for?? Have there been a rash of complaints? Or more likely, it's just a crackdown for the sake of having a crackdown and this was just picked at random.

[vifferman]

It's probably just a "we're fucking bureaucrats and we haven't picked on enough people lately" Day.
I like what happened in Melbourne when 'they' got all bureaucratic about bike parking and decided to clamp down on it: the bikers went into the city early, and made sure that they parked in car parks, one to a park, instead of on the footpaths. Didn't take long before the car drivers got the council to back off.

[Toaster]

Spank I think the parking ticket Nazi's are just filling their quota with the local council. Simply ridiculous and lacking a practical approach or commonsense!

[vifferman]

Simply ridiculous and lacking a practical approach or commonsense!
Bwahahahahahahaha!!:laugh::killingme:killingme:

Since when was the Council known for being pragmatic and sensible?!?
:brick:

[Usarka]

All votes are in so its time for them to be right cunts again.

[Karma]

It's probably just a "we're fucking bureaucrats and we haven't picked on enough people lately" Day.


Actually today is National Coming Out day...

Google it... it's actually quite interesting.

[clint640]

I think I see a simple solution for hassle-free all day footpath parking:

Remove #plate from bike while it's on the footpath. The bike's not on the road, so it's not illegal, & they can't send you a ticket 'cos they don't know who you are ;-)

Clint

[Sanx]

And no bikes have VIN numbers, do they?

[vifferman]

And no bikes have VIN numbers, do they?
They're only wardens; there's no way they could find a VIN on a bike. :laugh:

[sAsLEX]

Bwahahahahahahaha!!:laugh::killingme:killingme:

Since when was the Council known for being pragmatic and sensible?!?
:brick:

ROFLLMYAO etc etc


And no bikes have VIN numbers, do they?

but they cannot touch said bike to find said VIN no under a flimsly (on purpose to take the piss) piece of wet bus ticket

[klingon]

It's probably just a "we're fucking bureaucrats and we haven't picked on enough people lately" Day.
I like what happened in Melbourne when 'they' got all bureaucratic about bike parking and decided to clamp down on it: the bikers went into the city early, and made sure that they parked in car parks, one to a park, instead of on the footpaths. Didn't take long before the car drivers got the council to back off.

I reckon this is a great idea. Show them the direct consequences of their actions! People power! :2thumbsup

[pyrocam]

<img src="http://www.pyrocam.com/files/images/emot/emot-wtc.gif"> I knew it was a nono in the tron but what a crock of shit, if its not blocking foot traffic, whats the problem.

are they going to ticket courier push bikes too?

[Sam I Am]

Yes damn and they even lift his cover to read the plate !!!! THAT SUX !!!!

why cant they fit 3 bike bays on every street in CBD might be a good way to get more people on bikes.... and clear the roads

OH NO there ACC spending our money finding another way of taxing people and not fixing sweet F.A

rant over

[Grahameeboy]

They're only wardens; there's no way they could find a VIN on a bike. :laugh:

Except an SV which has it right on the side of frame.

[Swoop]

And no bikes have VIN numbers, do they?
It would certainly make the bastards work to get a ticket issued though!!!

[Reckless]

Probably all about revenue gathering! Bastards!

[oldrider]

Pathetic pricks, I agree with the suggestion to stack the car parks with bikes!

Target the worst offending area and concentrate as many bikes as possible, then move on to the next one.

Thinks for a moment:

How many bikers would it take? How many could be mustered? How? hmmm! :confused:

May not be so easy after-all! :Oops: John. (slinks off)

[Sketchy_Racer]

I recon you guys up there should have a KB parking day. Where you head into town at some un godly hour in the morning, get a few hundred bikes to take as many parks as you can (and get harleys to take two, cause they're 'fat') and then listen to the music from the council. What a fucken load of shit.

Like every part of the leadership in this country, its a fucking joke

[bugjuice]

we should rally up, find the most popular car park in town or mall, then park one bike in each car spot for a few hrs in protest, watch 'happy shoppers' go find another parking spot..

[Marmoot]

we should rally up, find the most popular car park in town or mall, then park one bike in each car spot for a few hrs in protest, watch 'happy shoppers' go find another parking spot..

Queen Street, High Street, Around Shortland Street. Enough to get exposure.
I'd be up for 4 hours takeover. One bike per car parking, completely legal with paid parking chits.

Weekend is good, weekdays is jewel.
Organise a time and place. Might as well do a KB meet up in local cafe while we're at it.

[Swoop]

Find out where the cunts in council park their cars, then park all around that area!

[klingon]

Queen Street, High Street, Around Shortland Street. Enough to get exposure.
I'd be up for 4 hours takeover. One bike per car parking, completely legal with paid parking chits.

Weekend is good, weekdays is jewel.
Organise a time and place. Might as well do a KB meet up in local cafe while we're at it.

Excellent, Marmoot. Put it in the events calendar! Probably a weekday morning would be best - that's when there would be the most pressure on car parks in town I'm guessing?

Also we should prepare flyers in advance to make it quite clear to the public what our issue is (and expect some pissed off car drivers to have a go). And contact the media in advance (but only if we're expecting a good turnout).

We should also write a letter to all Auckland City Councillors explaining why it is good for the city to encourage bikes (less congestion, lower emissions, less parking space) and telling them exactly the outcome we want (more dedicated bike parks and/or not ticketing bikes that are parked on a footpath without obstructing it).

OMG I better go and join BRONZ immediately... I'm starting to sound like one of them :o

[Marmoot]

Put it in the events calendar! Probably a weekday morning would be best - that's when there would be the most pressure on car parks in town I'm guessing?

Anyone care to initiate?



Also we should prepare flyers in advance to make it quite clear to the public what our issue is (and expect some pissed off car drivers to have a go).

A simple white paper marked "we want safe parking" is enough volume.
K.I.S.S (keep it simple & stupid), most car-only persons would not be able to read more than 2 lines of text.

Save the trees, they should only be used in fireplaces.

[pyrocam]

its possible their thought process is that we have free parking at all the parking lots anyway, so why should we be able to park on the foot path as well.

I am keen to join in on this but I think a weekday is out since most people wont get out their jobs to do this
I would say perhaps, get in early sat for the lunchtime shoppers.

what number does it become worth doing? 50 bikes in one carpark?

also this could backfire on us if they decide to check wofs/rego's on everyone and some of us get pinged.

[Macktheknife]

Parking up the city centre for the sake of highlighting the stupidity of council.... hmmmm
OKAY I'm in! lol
We would need to get enough people organised to move the bikes one space up every hour just to get the full effect though, I think in peak times there is a one hour limit in town right?
Target the number of spaces, assemble that many bikes plus 1, so no space is ever left unoccupied, move them up one space per hour, need a shit load of coins to make sure we don't get tickets.
I reckon it would take less than a week to get council 'looking for a better solution'.

[ManDownUnder]

the bikers went into the city early, and made sure that they parked in car parks, one to a park, instead of on the footpaths. Didn't take long before the car drivers got the council to back off.

Count me in for that, And I'll pay the parking for a student to join me. Let's pick a day How does Monday sound? Any suggestions on where (Queen Street suits me).

Anyone with press contacts?

[ManDownUnder]

Bwahahahahahahaha!!:laugh::killingme:killingme:

Since when was the Council known for being pragmatic and sensible?!?
:brick:

It started right after the Resource Management Act was passed...

[ManDownUnder]

Can anyone actually confirm what's going on with Council though. If this is a policy move then yes - fight it. If it's one warden with PMS then I see no need to highlight a problem that doesn't exist...

[Marmoot]

make sure they don't extract any $ out of this: ensure your WoF and Rego are all valid, and display (tape VERY securely) paid parking chits on your windscreen to make your bike 100% politically correct. Needless to say, park right in the middle of the carpark bay, lengthwise to make sure no cars can pull in

Policy or no policy these parking wardens and their masters needed a lesson anyway.

Demand a secured bike park while we're at it. A simple metal bar along a bike parking bay would make it 100x more secure!

I'm so fukcen (sic) sick of these bike thefts around the city.

[xwhatsit]

Can anyone actually confirm what's going on with Council though. If this is a policy move then yes - fight it. If it's one warden with PMS then I see no need to highlight a problem that doesn't exist...

A variety of different parking orifices have been targeting us Uni bikers for the past couple of months for being on the footpath -- we've got our own bitch and whine thread about it.

I would definitely be up for some parking chaos, but it's very important to check the rules for parking meters; on certain ones, it's actually illegal for bikes to use them, even if you pay. I know this was the case in Wellington when they were discussing this. Just check the rules first otherwise this could backfire.

[sunhuntin]

get some moped riders in... they tend to be experts at parking in such a fashion that not even a push bike can get past, lol. id be in if i could get there...

[breakaway]

Count me in for that, And I'll pay the parking for a student to join me. Let's pick a day How does Monday sound? Any suggestions on where (Queen Street suits me).

Anyone with press contacts?

Requesting to be your poor student-bitch

[Kwaka14]

I understood that you had a valid defence for parking tickets as there's no way of ensuring they stay on the bike in the wind... I usually park on the footpath

[Max Preload]

also this could backfire on us if they decide to check wofs/rego's on everyone and some of us get pinged.

I can help with this... :shifty:

Count me in for this parking chaos - do you know these parking nazis are out on Friday and Saturday nights untill the early hours of the morning, ticketing people? They have to have security guard escorts.

[bugjuice]

one thing that did pop into mind (collectively), is that we do get free parking in multi stories and carparks in general anyway..
bugger about free parking, is we don't get all the cash in the middle..

[Aerox50]

Might wanna check some council laws before doing this mass parking thing...

Down here in welly, Bikes cannot park in carparks that are controlled by pay-and-display. so if you all go park up they might be able to ticket each and every one of you....

Whoever asked for moped riders to come along... why would they, we are legally allowed to park on the footpath :2thumbsup :banana:

[Squiggles]

We should also write a letter to all Auckland City Councillors explaining why it is good for the city to encourage bikes (less congestion, lower emissions, less parking space) and telling them exactly the outcome we want (more dedicated bike parks and/or not ticketing bikes that are parked on a footpath without obstructing it).

OMG I better go and join BRONZ immediately... I'm starting to sound like one of them :o

id be in for it :)

[davereid]

Try writing in or phoning first - we only had one motorcycle park in Levin, and it was a dog. A few weeks back it vanished. I emailed the mayor, and actually got a response - they say they will look at more motorcycle parks, utilising smaller areas that they can squeeze one or two bikes in.

Of course we havent actually seen anything happen yet, if it doesn't then we have good grounds to stir. But a civilised first move is to write in and see if one of Mr.Banks committees can actually do something !

[WarlockNZ]

Does Banks ride???

If he does he might be on our side.

[Max Preload]

Does Banks ride???

He certainly rides a jetski (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=224416)... :lol:

[twinkle]

Does Banks ride???


He rides some sort of cruiser I think.

[rphenix]

Find out where the cunts in council park their cars, then park all around that area!

Now thats a great Idea...

[Max Preload]

Find out where the cunts in council park their cars, then park all around that area!

Aotea Centre underground carpark mostly (if you're meaning Council vehicles, not personal)

[Swoop]

Aotea Centre underground carpark mostly (if you're meaning Council vehicles, not personal)
Personal vehicles.
Council cages will have their own special area. Need to highlight the problem directly to the inbred-puss filled-sycophants on a personal level...

[Usarka]

Does Banks ride???



does john banks ride?????
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php?u=4401

[SPman]

Find out where the cunts in council park their cars, then park all around that area!They have their own carparks.
Don't worry - even official council cars get ticketed - when I was working in the city (Building Inspector), I got one ticket (which I refused to pay) and told another inspector to fuck off as he was eagerly pulling out his book up by the new varsity commerce school!

[HungusMaximist]

I'll be in and so would the Auckland University SMC club.

Scooters and Mopeds should defnitely unite.

We'll bring Auckland City to a standown just like the days when Stagecoach drivers went on strike a while back and Auckland pretty much fucked!

[oldrider]

They have their own carparks.
Don't worry - even official council cars get ticketed - when I was working in the city (Building Inspector), I got one ticket (which I refused to pay) and told another inspector to fuck off as he was eagerly pulling out his book up by the new varsity commerce school!

Sure but this issue is about bikes that free up congested car parks!

By parking in small unobtrusive spaces, (on footpaths etc)

Then getting ticketed by parking meter zealots! :nono:

You were not on your bike I take it? :shutup: John.

[klingon]

Does Banks ride???

If he does he might be on our side.

Yes, John Banks rides a Harley. Former mayor Dick Hubbard also rides - I don't know what he has these days but he started out on a Volty. :niceone:

[vifferman]

So what!
You think Banks would ride to work? And if he did, would he park on the footpath, or in his undercover, council-provided car park?

[obstacle]

Right, i'm now officially taking up full car parks. Just got a $40 ticket for parking out of the way on the footpath in kingsland, as did DiscoTex. Stupid bloody parking rules.....

[discotex]

Guess is for real and not just one overzelous warden. Just got a ticket for parking on the footpath in Kingsland (land of the no available carparks). :angry2:

Morons. Now I plan to take as much room as I can.

If someone plans a parking blockade in the city I'm in for it 100%. Happy to pay the meter fees as well.

At least I've saved more than $40 in pay and display fees by parking on footpaths in the last year! :bleh: to the council.

[Karma]

does john banks ride?????
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php?u=4401


That's not actually John Banks you know...

[Usarka]

That's not actually John Banks you know...

Bahahaha. Next you'll be telling us that youre not acutally karma.

[Theatre]

Aah, explains why I got nailed outside the med school a few weeks ago. Hiding behind a tree so the bike didnt stick out whatsoever and still got the ticket. Been doing it for 2 years and this is the first time something has happened. Count me in for a nice little carpark blocking session.

[Gremlin]

I just got done for parking on yellow lines... while technically illegal (I concede that) its why they are yellow... They are next to a pedestrian crossing... and their aim is to allow pedestrians and vehicles alike to have a clear veiw for safety. I did not affect that at all (bushes on the kerb were bigger).

Need to write/phone them, and find out what they recommend, as parking on the footpath is illegal too. As soon as the word carpark comes out... we have an official recommendation (I'll get his name).

I'm pissed off with their short-sightedness, and the picking on uni students pissed me off too... They need a swift lesson. I thought 0730-0830, on a very busy street (princes by uni would be well used, and would make impressive photos) would cause the most trouble (when people are trying to find parks for the day).

Count me in.

[discotex]

I'm pissed off with their short-sightedness, and the picking on uni students pissed me off too... They need a swift lesson. I thought 0730-0830, on a very busy street (princes by uni would be well used, and would make impressive photos) would cause the most trouble (when people are trying to find parks for the day).

The short-sightedness is what gets me too. Best make sure the media are involved with any blockade for maximum impact.

[Folcan]

get Close up or Fair go involved.. haha

[Max Preload]

get Close up or Fair go involved.. haha

Fat chance. They're only interested in complete morons who are scammed because of their own stupidity.

[Marmoot]

Anyone want to suggest a time and place yet?

[pyrocam]

ok I'll start
November 17th (sat)
the closest parking building to Whitcolls corner (I forget which one)

[Max Preload]

ok I'll start
November 17th (sat)
the closest parking building to Whitcolls corner (I forget which one)

Parking building? No - it needs to be in public parks in full view and the public need to be informed was to why we're doing it. But it's a last resort - who wants to deal with the council regarding policy?

[xwhatsit]

Besides, that parking building just up from Whitcoulls corner lets bikes park for free in a little area up the top. Nothing wrong with them.

[pyrocam]

most of the parking buildings do. I'd agree that street parking is better but in Q St's current state, would anyone expect to get a park not in a building anyway? specially this close to xmas

[sprag]

most of the parking buildings do. I'd agree that street parking is better but in Q St's current state, would anyone expect to get a park not in a building anyway? specially this close to xmas

May i suggest high street (and around that area), there is 30 mins / 1 hour parking all the way up there if you hit it at about 11am on a saturday when all the "cool" people are out shopping it should send a message, just pay the parking and have a little chat to other bikers on the footpath, there is even a pub on the conor, dont know if it would be open on saturday morning but you never know :)

[Max Preload]

May i suggest high street (and around that area), there is 30 mins / 1 hour parking all the way up there if you hit it at about 11am on a saturday when all the "cool" people are out shopping it should send a message, just pay the parking and have a little chat to other bikers on the footpath

Good thinking. That'll certainly get the message out while they circle the area in their cages.

If nobody else wants the job, I'll contact the ACC parking authority and find out what is actually up - whether it's a few rogue meter maids (who can much more easily be dealt with by throwing a sack party on a quiet back street... hahaha) or a council policy shift towards revenue and away from common sense. I'm usually about as diplomatic as a swift kick in the goulies, but sometimes that's what you need when dealing with Nazi's.

[sunhuntin]

May i suggest high street (and around that area), there is 30 mins / 1 hour parking all the way up there if you hit it at about 11am on a saturday when all the "cool" people are out shopping it should send a message, just pay the parking and have a little chat to other bikers on the footpath, there is even a pub on the conor, dont know if it would be open on saturday morning but you never know :)

take it easy if you guys hit the pub, otherwise you might have more than meter maids hasseling you... dont want any major tickets dished out!

[Gremlin]

ok I'll start
November 17th (sat)
the closest parking building to Whitcolls corner (I forget which one)
parking buildings aren't the demons... the wardens don't even ticket inside them either. Parking buildings do sorta help us, with free parking (aka, encouraging bikes... not congestion). As others have said, maximum impact is the open air, so all can see.

I personally prefer a weekday... Those that need the park for work/uni can't just go away and come back to shop later... A nice critical hour in the morning, when everyone is after a car park.


who wants to deal with the council regarding policy?
Does it involve a bit of this? > :bash:

[Marmoot]

May i suggest high street (and around that area), there is 30 mins / 1 hour parking all the way up there if you hit it at about 11am on a saturday when all the "cool" people are out shopping it should send a message, just pay the parking and have a little chat to other bikers on the footpath, there is even a pub on the conor, dont know if it would be open on saturday morning but you never know :)

Tape an A4 paper on the bike with large writting saying "Because the Council won't let us park anywhere else"

[Max Preload]

I personally prefer a weekday... Those that need the park for work/uni can't just go away and come back to shop later... A nice critical hour in the morning, when everyone is after a car park.

Nobody who works in the city parks on the street though - the restrictive time limits see to that.

I say Saturday morning shopping and coffee drinking is the best time to interrupt and draw attention to these over zealous revenue gatherers. But not until slightly more diplomatic efforts (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=70582&d=1189653372) have failed.

[raster]

BRONZ did recieve a reply which said how good the council were and they were commited to improving things and that Brian also rides a motorbike.

also directed us to a website(below).

http://www.arta.co.nz/xxarta/news/media_releasexx.cfm?entryID=F2AAAFBE-BCD4-1A24-9C39-D1CFB69AA15E

I think BRONZ will be making another submission.

[raster]

Just been looking at the so called travelwise.org.nz website and I could not find any mention of motorcycles, when in the arta.co.nz as many people cycled to uni as did on a motorbike????

I guess it was stupid of me to think otherwise.

[TOTO]

It's probably just a "we're fucking bureaucrats and we haven't picked on enough people lately" Day.
I like what happened in Melbourne when 'they' got all bureaucratic about bike parking and decided to clamp down on it: the bikers went into the city early, and made sure that they parked in car parks, one to a park, instead of on the footpaths. Didn't take long before the car drivers got the council to back off.

Thats bloody fantastic.:devil2: oooo I LOVE THE IDEA !!!!!:niceone:

[MikeL]

Serves me right for not checking the KB posts. If I had known there was a crackdown on footpath parking I might have avoided the $40.00 fine. Been leaving my bike regularly outside Galbraiths (and elsewhere) for years without a ticket - until yesterday. Have dipped my pen in vitriol and written to the Council but obviously don't expect any sort of intelligent response. Sent a copy to John Banks as well - might trigger a twinge of conscience.

If I have to pay for parking I might as well leave the bike at home and take the car - at least I'll be dry and warm.

[klingon]

Serves me right for not checking the KB posts. If I had known there was a crackdown on footpath parking I might have avoided the $40.00 fine. Been leaving my bike regularly outside Galbraiths (and elsewhere) for years without a ticket - until yesterday. Have dipped my pen in vitriol and written to the Council but obviously don't expect any sort of intelligent response. Sent a copy to John Banks as well - might trigger a twinge of conscience.

If I have to pay for parking I might as well leave the bike at home and take the car - at least I'll be dry and warm.

You got a ticket outside Galbraith's? On that big wide footpath? OMG you'd have to have a massive bike to block pedestrians there. :( I also like to park my bike out the front when I go there. This is really starting to bother me now.

[Max Preload]

So it's official - they're being wankers. They don't ticket my bike when I park it right next to me on the footpath at the cafe I frequent for hours at a time in the central city. Maybe they're scared of getting a clip (as they would be wise to).

I feel another call to arms, like the cheesecutter campaign is needed.

[BevanPT]

I'll join a call to arms. Got home the other day to find a letter from the Auckland City Council - inside was an infringement notice for parking on the footpath. Obviously they don't need to attach it to the bike.

Location was High Street on the widest footpath possible and right next to the curb between little metal posts they have for decoration or whatever. In nobodies way.

High street would be a perfect location for hijacking all the carparks. Pay and display is 30 min during the week and 60 on weekends. Leave a 2 metre gap between each bike that no other vehicle can fit into and we'd be able to stretch bikes all along the street. There's a courtyard opposite Rakinos (a bar/cafe) perfect for everyone to loiter for a bit.

[Deviant]

I'm in- we need to sort this shizzle out. I always park on the footpath because I feel guilty about taking up a whole park when I only need 1/3rd of a space, or even 1/4.

If I'm going to be penalised for this, then it's time to teach them a lesson by following their ridiculous rules to the letter.

Fill up every space with a bike, and watch the chaos ensue!

In fact, if you have multiple bikes, bring them.

Then we can go for a coffee and talk about what bad ass mofo's we bikers are while sipping our decaf low fat caramel lattes.

[Max Preload]

Then we can go for a coffee and talk about what bad ass mofo's we bikers are while sipping our decaf low fat caramel lattes.

Caramel chai latte, I'll have you know! :whistle:

[UberRhys]

You got a ticket outside Galbraith's? On that big wide footpath? OMG you'd have to have a massive bike to block pedestrians there. :( I also like to park my bike out the front when I go there. This is really starting to bother me now.

I guess it is offical then. They had a slot on Good Morning this morning. Apparently there is a new guy in the council in charge of infringements that has decided it isnt allowed anymore.

Also there are going to be new bike only parking bays are going to be located in Ponsonby Rd, K Rd & Parnell I think but the parking tickets will be enforced before these new parking bays are designated.

A bit shit if you ask me, just more revenue gathering... :no:

I did hear another rumour from a parking (nazi) warden :Police: the other day in that there is some sort of loop hole with regards to parking on the grass verge strip next to the road. Apparently wardens have been told not to ticket vehicles parked on the grass for the time being until they figure it out the law loop hole. Soooo... I will be parking on the grass strip where possible.

Does anyone know any more about this?

[Pixie]

Get up really early and all park in the designated parking spaces - one bike to a space.
That will make the pricks do a quick re-think

[johnsf1980]

Hi guys,

How many of you in Auckland have been given parking tickets recently for parking on footpaths?

For years I have parked on the footpath and never been given a ticket... parking wardens have always said it was ok too as long as you parked to a side, etc.

However, apparently theres some new chap at Auckland City Council now who has decided that motorcyclist parking on the footpath's should be given tickets! :angry:

John

[JimO]

Find him and....................Kill him

[Squiggles]

Yer, they got told to stop ignoring it and will get ya even if you're not in anyones way (between posts & rubbish bins etc)

[Swoop]

Apparently there is a new guy in the council in charge of infringements that has decided it isnt allowed anymore.
Name:
Address:
Preferred blunt implement he likes getting beaten with:

[vifferman]

Y'know, maybe it's time that we did summat about this. Maybe organising something in conjunction with BRONZ such as a meeting between a biker deputation and the Council to discuss this, rather than just bleating.
Melbourne bikers are allowed to park on the footpaths and odd out-of-the-way places, and Sydneyites are OK as long as where they park doesn't obstruct pedestrian or vehicular access.

I know we're talking municipal bureaucrats here, and they're not know for being pragmatic or commonsensical, but it's worth a shot.

[johnsf1980]

I was very surprised to find a ticket on my bike the other day....

Wonder how wise it would be for me to court based on the premise that for years we have been told its ok to park on the footpath and they have suddenly started tickting us arbitarily based on some chaps whim without providing fair warning.

[johnsf1980]

I agree vifferman... we shouldnt take this lying down! We need to organise some kind of response/protest.... this is why I am considering going to court over my $40 ticket.

[Ixion]

i'm on the phone to ACC right now. Getting the run around. Anyone got a name for this dude?

[johnsf1980]

I suppose you are right vifferman

[vifferman]

I suspect you will find there's a bylaw prohibiting parking anywhere in the CBD that's not an 'approved' parking place, if not something that specifically mentions parking on the footpath is prohibited.
What I'm talking about is rather than try and fight this by protesting, throwing a tantrum, or by pursuing 'legal avenues' (which will fail if there's an applicable bylaw) is to reason with them. Summat along these lines:
"There are ever-increasing numbers of bikes being ridden due to high petrol prices. Why not show that you are environmentally aware and encourage people to come into the CBD on bikes rather than cars, by providing more free parking for them? Furthermore, bikes parked in unconventional places where they are not obstructive have been previously overlooked; isn't it counter-productive to start penalising them now?"
As support for this, there are examples of 'progressive' cities such as Melbourne, Sydney, London (bikes exempt from congestion charges) etc.

[Ixion]

Council chick is claiming that it's a nationwide LTSA "initiative", not an ACC one . Sounds bullshit. Anyone seeing any changes in other cities ?

[johnsf1980]

Im sure bikers wouldnt mind so much if the ACC issued warnings for a month or so before they started tickiting people....

[Ixion]

Some names are Rick Begood and Tim Dowdy.

ACC are sticking with their claim that it's an LTSA 'initiative'

[Gremlin]

I still need to sort out a ticket for parking on dotted yellows. (not as bad as it sounds)

I'll make sure I either win, or get a name we can blame. I sooooo hope I can goad them into saying "park in car parks" - coz that will be mint for protests.

[vifferman]

Council chick is claiming that it's a nationwide LTSA "initiative", not an ACC one . Sounds bullshit. Anyone seeing any changes in other cities ?
Bullshit fer sher.
LTSA have no administration over footpaths and central city streets - that's council turf.
"Um... we don't actually have any basis for doing this... we can't say it was God or Satan ... the next best thing is to pin it on the LTSA..."

EDIT:
No wait - some bureaucrat decided we don't have enough farkin rules'n'regulations, so they dreamed up this: Draft Parking Controls legislation (http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/consultation/parking-control/draft-parking-control-guideline.pdf).

[Jantar]

TVNZ covered this in their breakfast show this morning. It is definitely an Auckland initiative, and being pushed by their new parking manager. Breakfast also stated that Auckland are planning on having parking space per city block dedicated to scooter parking in three named roads.

[Ixion]

This will eb the bit about grass verges

From the LTSA website


The Road User Rule currently indicate drivers may not drive on a lawn, garden or other cultivation but also advises drivers must not stop, stand or park on a roadway when it is reasonably practicable to do so on the road margin. To clarify the effect of a bylaw imposed in relation to parking on any grass area a road controlling authority is required to sign the restriction. An attempt was made to clarify this by amending the rule in 2006. Unfortunately, while there was a good measure of general support for the concept no consensus could be reached on the precise wording that would achieve a good coverage throughout the country both in urban and rural areas.



Bear in mind also, that the LEGAL footpath is often a lot less than the width of the apparent footpath, because the bit next to the buildings is often the property of the building owener (the buildings have to be set back to allow for butresses, stairs etc). So parking in between "building bits" is NOT on the footpath

[Ixion]

Bullshit fer sher.
LTSA have no administration over footpaths and central city streets - that's council turf.
"Um... we don't actually have any basis for doing this... we can't say it was God or Satan ... the next best thing is to pin it on the LTSA..."

EDIT:
No wait - some bureaucrat decided we don't have enough farkin rules'n'regulations, so they dreamed up this: Draft Parking Controls legislation (http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/consultation/parking-control/draft-parking-control-guideline.pdf).

That doc just details the standards for signs etc. So that they are consistent throughour the country. We are mentioned , but just to say that motorcycle sparking is usually provided on an as required basis , and that pay and display doesn't work for motorcycles.

[Ixion]

I spent half an hour on the phone and got nowhere. Everyone was out to lunch. And no idea when they'd be abck. if ever. And its 'an LTSA initiative'. And 'it's the law'. And 'pissoff - aka you can leave a voicemail for him to call you back if you want'

Some names - but no-ones admitting to being the demon policy changer

Rick Begood
Tim Dowdy (Extn 7204)
Luke Watts (Team leader parking)
Someone called 'Reece' he's a Parking Infringment Advisor, whatever that is.

I'm trying to get hold of Brian Tomlinson (8760) , he's the capo de tutti capo. But be nice with him cos he rides himself and he's sort of sympathetic

Lots of phone calls to those dudes might make them a bit unsettled.

[Ixion]

I spent half an hour on the phone and got nowhere. Everyone was out to lunch. And no idea when they'd be abck. if ever. And its 'an LTSA initiative'. And 'it's the law'. And 'pissoff - aka you can leave a voicemail for him to call you back if you want'

Some names - but no-ones admitting to being the demon policy changer

Rick Begood
Tim Dowdy (Extn 7204)
Luke Watts (Team leader parking)
Someone called 'Reece' he's a Parking Infringment Advisor, whatever that is.

I'm trying to get hold of Brian Tomlinson (8760) , he's the capo de tutti capo. But be nice with him cos he rides himself and he's sort of sympathetic

Lots of phone calls to those dudes might make them a bit unsettled.


(this is cross posted. There seem to be several trheads on this subject.)

[NighthawkNZ]

For years I have parked on the footpath and never been given a ticket... parking wardens have always said it was ok too as long as you parked to a side, etc.


Simple fix... Don't park on the footpath... its a FOOTpath not a bike path... ah fuckit lets all drive on it as well...

[johnsf1980]

Some names are Rick Begood and Tim Dowdy.

ACC are sticking with their claim that it's an LTSA 'initiative'

LTSA says that while it has always not been ok to park on the pavement they are not involved in enforcing that law and are definately not behind this new initiative by ACC - they say we should be speaking to ACC.

[NighthawkNZ]

Simple fix... Don't park on the footpath... its a FOOTpath not a bike path... ah fuckit lets all drive on it as well...


don't dip your face into murky water without knowing what's in it

Wahoo a red rep... :cool:

The simple fact that most main cities have a bylaw that states that parking on or obstruction of the footpath is a ticketable offence, allowing foot traffic (including those in wheel chairs) to easily pass or access doors and buildings etc and is usually at the discression of the parking warden. And Finally I will stuck to my orginal statement ... its a footpath...

However if the vehicle in question was parked in between two buildings or in a correct area or area designated for parking then question it with the parking authorities...

[Duc]

ACC will be deep in negotiations with those bastards at Wilsons Parking.

BTW: Love to know exactly what 's the deal and how they work the $$$$ on that.(as regards car parking)

Some one mentioned Melbourne. MB parking in that city is so sorted but I did notice that none of them use any chains/locks or security. Maybe that is the rule there.

[Marmoot]

Wahoo a red rep... :cool:

The simple fact that most main cities have a bylaw that states that parking on or obstruction of the footpath is a ticketable offence, allowing foot traffic (including those in wheel chairs) to easily pass or access doors and buildings etc and is usually at the discression of the parking warden. And Finally I will stuck to my orginal statement ... its a footpath...

However if the vehicle in question was parked in between two buildings or in a correct area or area designated for parking then question it with the parking authorities...

Your statement above confuses itself and the element contradicts each other.
First you emphasis on NOT parking on the footpath. Then you mention that we may since the parking warden usually has discression [sic] (discretion?). Then you went back and say it's a footpath, implying to us that we should NOT park there? And then proceeded to say "however" about several exceptions which I assume you deemed as should have been allowed and encouraged us to question the parking authorities regarding these?
In final words: are you implying that we should NOT park on the footpath, or that we SHOULD park on the footpath?
Either my understanding is poor or your statement is here simply for the sake of post, trolling and/or getting rep; especially considering that you do not currently park in Auckland regularly and hence not fully understanding the ugly reality of daily parking for motorcycles and the true background of this topic?

[NighthawkNZ]

Your statement above confuses itself and the element contradicts each other.
First you emphasis on NOT parking on the footpath. Then you mention that we may since the parking warden usually has discression [sic] (discretion?). Then you went back and say it's a footpath, implying to us that we should NOT park there? And then proceeded to say "however" about several exceptions which I assume you deemed as should have been allowed and encouraged us to question the parking authorities regarding these?
In final words: are you implying that we should NOT park on the footpath, or that we SHOULD park on the footpath?
Either my understanding is poor or your statement is here simply for the sake of post, trolling and/or getting rep; especially considering that you do not currently park in Auckland regularly and hence not fully understanding the ugly reality of daily parking for motorcycles and the true background of this topic?

Wake up and smell the coffee... what makes bikers so special that they want to have everything different from every one else, from speeding to parking on the footpath... its a footpath not a bike path or park or bikelane, its used for foot traffic, its the one place pedestrians can call their own and not have to worry about idiots on the road or bikes... it is the pedestrians domain


However if the vehicle in question was parked in between two buildings or in a correct area or area designated for parking then question it with the parking authorities...


Those are not exceptions... as stated, between two buildings is not classed as the footpath; its an allyway and not obstructing general foot traffic, and as for the designated parking... well what it says, is what it is... Designated parking...

All major cities in NZ and the world have the same issues of parking and not enough of it and being ticketed and generating income for the city to pay for your new stadium, I use to live in Auckland and commuted regularly, I know what its like...

As for the discretion of the parking warden... same as the discretion of the cop that either gives you a speeding ticket or lets you off with a warning...
I haven't once implied that we should park on the foot path... its a foot path

[Marmoot]

Wake up and smell the coffee... what makes bikers so special that they want to have everything different from every one else, from speeding to parking on the footpath... its a footpath not a bike path or park or bikelane, its used for foot traffic, its the one place pedestrians can call their own and not have to worry about idiots on the road or bikes... it is the pedestrians domain
I agree on the moot point of wanting to have everything different.
Maybe we should start to properly park on the parking spots instead. One bike to a spot, properly spaced, with proper paid parking chits.
See how long before some cars start to try to squeeze in.
Better yet, open a bet to see how long until a bike is nudged and crushed.



Those are not exceptions... as stated, between two buildings is not classed as the footpath; its an allyway and not obstructing general foot traffic, and as for the designated parking... well what it says, is what it is... Designated parking...
Although I agree with this post, I failed to see where it was stated as "not classed as the footpath" in your previous post.
In addition, the usage of "however" implies a connection with the previous sentence, which in this case talked about footpath. Due to this, it was assumed that the main part of the sentence (space between two buildings) relate to being a footpath. Perhaps a clearer picture should have been made in the prior post. However, now that the issue is clear your point is more acceptable.



As for the discretion of the parking warden... same as the discretion of the cop that either gives you a speeding ticket or lets you off with a warning...
I haven't once implied that we should park on the foot path... its a foot path
Yes, you did not imply that we should park on the foot path. However, stating, that footpath is a footpath and mentioning that wardens have discretionary powers implies that in some cases it MAY be allowable to park on the footpath; something which is totally contradictory to your first post re: we should NOT park on the footpath.

[NighthawkNZ]

I agree on the moot point of wanting to have everything different.
Maybe we should start to properly park on the parking spots instead. One bike to a spot, properly spaced, with proper paid parking chits.
See how long before some cars start to try to squeeze in.
Better yet, open a bet to see how long until a bike is nudged and crushed.

Make sure you are fully insured :D


Although I agree with this post, I failed to see where it was stated as "not classed as the footpath" in your previous post.
In addition, the usage of "however" implies a connection with the previous sentence, which in this case talked about footpath. Due to this, it was assumed that the main part of the sentence (space between two buildings) relate to being a footpath. Perhaps a clearer picture should have been made in the prior post. However, now that the issue is clear your point is more acceptable.

Below what he said...


Bear in mind also, that the LEGAL footpath is often a lot less than the width of the apparent footpath, because the bit next to the buildings is often the property of the building owener (the buildings have to be set back to allow for butresses, stairs etc). So parking in between "building bits" is NOT on the footpath


Yes, you did not imply that we should park on the foot path. However, stating, that footpath is a footpath and mentioning that wardens have discretionary powers implies that in some cases it MAY be allowable to park on the footpath; something which is totally contradictory to your first post re: we should NOT park on the footpath.

ummm no it doesn't just because you get let off doesn't mean keep doing it... If the warden wants to turn a blind eye thats up to him... maybe he's a biker himself.

[Marmoot]

Make sure you are fully insured :D

hear hear
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[klingon]

And may I add...

Please dispute all tickets for parking on the footpath where you were not obstructing people going about their everyday business.

I think it's atrocious that cafes and shops can use the footpaths as an extension of their premises (to make a profit) but bikes are not allowed to park there even if we are considerate to pedestrians.

Please note: I'm not complaining about cafes having their seating on the footpath - I love to sit outside in my designer sunnies to be seen sipping my latte as much as the next Aucklander - but it just seems ironic that they can use the footpath for commercial gain and we can't use it as ordinary citizens.

[Ixion]

This is probably a bit of an "Auckland" thing. Y'need to realise that noone is proposing that bikes park on the pathway used by pedestrians.

But in Auckland over the last few years the planners have gone hog wild on expanding "footpaths" until they're huge. Not just a strip for pedestrians to walk down. And they have all sorts of other stuff on them, like things to secure bicycles to etc. And all sorts of dead ends, recesses, lots and lots of bits put there for "aesthetic" reasons , where pedestrians never go . They're a totally different concept to the footpaths in suburbs, or what we had 20 years ago. So I think the mind picture that folk in other places have of what we are talking about may be somewhat misleading.

As to "what makes bikers so special that they want to have everything different from every one else" - we don't. We just want equal dealing. Auckland has a shitload of parking designed to be suitable for cars. Bugger all for bikes. Much much less than there was 40 years ago. So either bikes need to behave as if they were cars (never a good idea) and park in a car space : which then absolutely infuriates car drivers who (justifiably) see it as a waste of parking space : or park somewhere else. And the only "somewhere else" is what is technically footpath.

After all , there are only three options : dedicated bike parks , bugger all of them for the number of bikes; park in a car parking bay, and have someone either knock y'bike over or haul it onto the footpath anyway (absolutely guaranteed that one ) ; or park on the footpath.

So the council need to either sort out dedicated bike aprking, or back off on the footpath thing , where it's not obstructing anything.

[BMW]

Y'know, maybe it's time that we did summat about this. Maybe organising something in conjunction with BRONZ such as a meeting between a biker deputation and the Council to discuss this, rather than just bleating.
Melbourne bikers are allowed to park on the footpaths and odd out-of-the-way places, and Sydneyites are OK as long as where they park doesn't obstruct pedestrian or vehicular access.

I know we're talking municipal bureaucrats here, and they're not know for being pragmatic or commonsensical, but it's worth a shot.

agreed! it would save traffic woes if bikers were allowed to park all around the place.

[avgas]

... its a footpath...
Sure, and queen mary is a hospital :bleh: some bloody student is drinkn where i was born...bastards
Actually have to disagree a bit here. One thing that comes to mind - do you now realise that half of Queen st is now footpaths?
Here is an example of what might happen, imagine going home, pulling up in front of your door (out of the access way obviously), going inside, only to come back out and your bike has a ticket on it. Alot of us are poor and can't get a car park while we live in shoe box apartments......

[NighthawkNZ]

Here is an example of what might happen, imagine going home, pulling up in front of your door (out of the access way obviously), going inside, only to come back out and your bike has a ticket on it. Alot of us are poor and can't get a car park while we live in shoe box apartments......

I have that problem here... the joys of living in a inner city flat..

[avgas]

I have that problem here... the joys of living in a inner city flat..
But do you get ticketed for parking outsider your apartment building?

[NighthawkNZ]

But do you get ticketed for parking outsider your apartment building?

yes I most likely would get one... (i have just been lucky That its not parked there for long and can park round the back)

[rwh]

I have that problem here... the joys of living in a inner city flat..

I always figured that the idea of inner city flats is that you don't need transport because you're close to where you're going ... and that they're not really ideal for those who frequently have other places they want to go. This is (one of the reasons) why I don't live in one.

Richard

[Swoop]

And may I add...
Do not forget all those sign-thinggamys, that get placed on the footpaths. Bloody nuisance they are.

[Squiggles]

If they gave us more parking around the city then there'd be no problem, but they havent. They gave us nearly the same amount as we had before around uni, but come february next year there will be no room and bikes will just have to park on the footpaths or in carparks...

Does the rubbish bin not interfere with foot traffic more than the bike in the attached pic (he got a ticket) At a guesstimate the nearest bike part is the best part of a k away and full on a nice day

[avgas]

Anyone else find it funny that new laws are put in place, we pay our rego......yet they cant inform us of the rules changes on a piece of paper that comes with our rego?

[Tank]

Anyone else find it funny that new laws are put in place, we pay our rego......yet they cant inform us of the rules changes on a piece of paper that comes with our rego?

Thats because they are too busy stuffing it with advertising for personalized plates.

That pisses me off:no:

[klingon]

Check out the item by Big Dave's favourite TV reporter on the Breakfast programme:
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/410965/1444454
Go to the "related video" section and look at the item called "National roundup of the morning's talking points"

The reporter is Amy, who covered Ride to Work Day a week ago.

She tells us all about the crackdown on scooters parking on the footpath. Apparently Auckland City's new guy is Rick Bedgood and scooterists have delivered a petition to him to allow them to keep parking on footpaths.

[steveb64]

Might wanna check some council laws before doing this mass parking thing...

Down here in welly, Bikes cannot park in carparks that are controlled by pay-and-display. so if you all go park up they might be able to ticket each and every one of you....

Whoever asked for moped riders to come along... why would they, we are legally allowed to park on the footpath :2thumbsup :banana:

Yeah - but Welly has a decent number of MC only parks... Unlike AKL (does it even have ANY?) - admitted by the new AKL parking boss on TV3 the other night.

[Kendog]

Yeah - but Welly has a decent number of MC only parks... Unlike AKL (does it even have ANY?) - admitted by the new AKL parking boss on TV3 the other night.

Wellington does have a fair few bike park areas, but lately the numbers of bikes are easily exceeding the numbers of spaces.
Bikes are being parked on the footpath around the bike park areas.

[Ixion]

BRONZ (and AUMC) have a slot booked to address trhe Transport Committee of the Auckland City Council at its next meeting. Don't know when the enxt meeting is yet because the Council is still inventing itself .

The previous committee under the old council held its meetings at 1:30 on Wednesday afternoons (once a month). Don't know if the new committee will stick to that time or not

It would be good to get some bikers roll up in support. One person with a grievance is a crank, two are an interest group, twenty is the voice of the people.

[BevanPT]

Transport Act 1962
[Schedule 2A Offences enforceable by parking wardens

Section 68BA

1 Any offence involving parking in any portion of a road in breach of any Act or regulation, or of any bylaw made under the authority of section 72 of this Act.
2 Offences Against [Land Transport Rules]


Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004
6.14Parking on footpaths or cycle paths

(1)A driver or person in charge of a vehicle must not stop, stand, or park the vehicle on a footpath or on a cycle path.

(2)Subclause (1) does not apply to cycles if a road controlling authority indicates otherwise by means of signs or markings or if it installs facilities for the parking, standing, or storage of cycles on a footpath or cycle path.

(3)Nothing in subclause (1) prevents a person from stopping, standing, or parking a cycle, mobility device, or wheeled recreational device on a footpath if doing so does not unreasonably obstruct any other user of the footpath.


Auckland City Council Traffic Bylaw
25.8 Stopping, standing and parking restrictions
25.8.1

The council may prohibit, limit or restrict the parking of any vehicle on any road or part of a road.

Stopping, standing or parking in contravention of signs

25.8.2

No person may:

a. stop, stand or park a vehicle on a road or public place in contravention of a restriction imposed by the council and evidenced by signs and where the council considers necessary, road markings.

Stopping, standing and parking on grass verges or kerbs

b. stop, stand or park a vehicle on any kerb, lawn, garden, or other cultivation adjacent to, or forming part of the road, except for in the area comprising the Hauraki Gulf Islands Ward.

Some relevant legislation.
I don't believe ACC bylaws prevent parking on footpaths, but it is outlawed by the Land Transport Rule 2004 and parking wardens have the right to enforce these rules. Whether they know what rule they are enforcing is a different story.

They obviously have discretion as do the police. Evidenced by other restrictions contained within the Land Transport Rule 2004 that I have never seen enforced, (keeping left, use of lanes).

The infringement notices are issued under the Transport Act 1962 and the Land Transport Act 1988, neither of which prohibit parking on footpaths, but outline what an infringement notice must show and allows the passing of bylaws relating to parking. The Transport Act 1962 has a schedule of penalties relating to parking offences.

[Tank]

It would be good to get some bikers roll up in support. One person with a grievance is a crank, two are an interest group, twenty is the voice of the people.

Two people an interest group ?:eek:
Twenty - the voice of the people?:eek: :eek::eek:

No wonder MMP has gone to the dogs!

[johnsf1980]

BRONZ (and AUMC) have a slot booked to address trhe Transport Committee of the Auckland City Council at its next meeting. Don't know when the enxt meeting is yet because the Council is still inventing itself .

The previous committee under the old council held its meetings at 1:30 on Wednesday afternoons (once a month). Don't know if the new committee will stick to that time or not

It would be good to get some bikers roll up in support. One person with a grievance is a crank, two are an interest group, twenty is the voice of the people.

Ill be there if you let us know when and where :-)

[Max Preload]

Despite the fact I usually cram my bike into one end of a carpark, today I thought "Fuck 'em" and parked on the footpath adjacent to a carpark in the Onehunga Mall where I stayed for over an hour while I lunched with friends. The bike was in full view through the window, and I was hoping for a parking warden to happen by. Alas, that never eventuated.

Does anyone know of any bike only parks in Onehunga? I asked a postie while waiting for my mates to arrive and she didn't know.

[crashe]

BRONZ (and AUMC) have a slot booked to address trhe Transport Committee of the Auckland City Council at its next meeting. Don't know when the enxt meeting is yet because the Council is still inventing itself .

The previous committee under the old council held its meetings at 1:30 on Wednesday afternoons (once a month). Don't know if the new committee will stick to that time or not

It would be good to get some bikers roll up in support. One person with a grievance is a crank, two are an interest group, twenty is the voice of the people.

Just tell us when and where, this meeting is being held......
We can park one bike to a carpark outside.

As soon as a car moves out of a carpark we take it over.

[johnsf1980]

So any new news about this? How many more poor bikers have been caught off guard and ticketed?

[Big Dave]

We had a BRONZ meeting last night.

Mr Ixion has arranged a meeting with the Council's 'Parking Manager' and we will go and present a case.

For our argument I would like some photos of the completely full bike parking bays around town and some testimonials from folks saying how hard it is to park their bikes.

Then we will go and say (nicely) - look you chaps - this is only going to get worse - do you realise????

I'll take some - but Post a photo of a completely full cycle rack please. With time and date if poss.

Also - We'll need your name on it - so you can email it to mail@davidcohen.co.nz if you don't want to post your 'Bike Parking nightmare' story here.

[UberRhys]

We had a BRONZ meeting last night.

Mr Ixion has arranged a meeting with the Council's 'Parking Manager' and we will go and present a case.

For our argument I would like some photos of the completely full bike parking bays around town and some testimonials from folks saying how hard it is to park their bikes.

Then we will go and say (nicely) - look you dicks - this is only going to get worse - do you realise????

I'll take some - but Post a photo of a completely full cycle rack please. With time and date if poss.

Also - We'll need your name on it - so you can email it to mail@davidcohen.co.nz if you don't want to post your 'Bike Parking nightmare' story here.

Bit of a bugger that University has finished as at Auckland the SMC guys have had a few battles with bike parking and that place is normally spewing bikes on to the footpath. But will keep an eye out with a camera at the ready...

[pyrocam]

those bike parking places are full of bloddy rust buckety scooters that the riders don't care enough about that I don't want to park my bike next to. let alone try and squeeze into a nook between two.

Will see if I can get some pics today

[ICE180]

here is my favourtie letter that I send into the council or any govt dept when I get a ticket of any sort

I have got of many time as it is normal passed on to some one above fill out the gaps as to what the ticket or prblem attains to

[Sanx]

here is my favourtie letter that I send into the council or any govt dept when I get a ticket of any sort

I have got of many time as it is normal passed on to some one above fill out the gaps as to what the ticket or prblem attains to

But what are you actually asking for? If you get a ticket for parking on the pavement, what are you going to get them to provide information on; the parking warden's inside leg measurement? Ratio of tickets issued to used chip packets on the pavement?

If you're just querying what the ticket is for, all they have to do is send you a photocopy of it, or write in big letters "Parking on the pavement, as it says on the ticket"

[Max Preload]

here is my favourtie letter that I send into the council or any govt dept when I get a ticket of any sort

I have got of many time as it is normal passed on to some one above fill out the gaps as to what the ticket or prblem attains to


But what are you actually asking for?

I was thinking exactly the same thing. The letter doesnt even make sense.

[ICE180]

I have ask for the contracts between towing companys and the council I have ask for the by laws inwhich the are issuing me the ticket from

etc they hate paper work !!!!!!!!!

fill in what you want to get a copy of

[Squiggles]

Bit of a bugger that University has finished as at Auckland the SMC guys have had a few battles with bike parking and that place is normally spewing bikes on to the footpath. But will keep an eye out with a camera at the ready...

Running battles yes, wont have any pictures of it till we go back next year, will be spewing then with the summer heat (was just running up to that with more and more scooters showing up before the end of semester)
Have to check to be sure but i think we've got over a hundred bike/scooter riders which would account for most of the available parks gone, but alas, no photos of people cramming them in till feb! :(

[Ixion]

BRONZ (and AUMC) have a slot booked to address trhe Transport Committee of the Auckland City Council at its next meeting. Don't know when the enxt meeting is yet because the Council is still inventing itself .

The previous committee under the old council held its meetings at 1:30 on Wednesday afternoons (once a month). Don't know if the new committee will stick to that time or not

It would be good to get some bikers roll up in support. One person with a grievance is a crank, two are an interest group, twenty is the voice of the people.

Supportive as ever of democracy (NOT !) the ACC have left it till the last minute to advise a dtae and time. But they have.

This Thursday , 13th Dec at Meeting Room, Level 15, Civic Building, 1 Greys Avenue, Auckland on Thursday, 13 December 2007 at 12.30pm.

Anyone who can come along, please do. Free parking in the Aotea car park building.

Les

[Ixion]

Debrief:

A very productive meeting.

Presentation well received. We managed to set one half of the committee at the throats of the other half (whilst we sat quietly watching). Which is good, when knaves fall out honest bikers come into their own. And we now have allies.

After much envenomed invective and reference to standing orders etc, the chairman was obliged to accept an amendment moved by Clr Easte, requiring the GM, Parking (our old friend Mr Tomlinson) to prepare a memo for the committe by the March meeting, detailing what he is doing about motorcycle parking. I will be contacting Mr Tomlinson in the next few days to suggest what he should put in that memo (since we were referred to him by the Committee to get something done!). Clr Easte was seconded by Clr Fryer. Clr Bhatnagar got derailed in silly suggestons about motorcycles paying parking fees, which I said was unworkable, and none of the other councillors were interested in that idea.

The committeee broadly accepted the arguments that motorycles are a GoodThing. And that we should be considered in town planning decisions (that's a big win) . And that more motorcycle parking is needed.

And after we withdrew Clr Miller came out to see us and Crashe detailed the exploits of the infamous parking Warden 71, and Clr Miller has offered to sort out the said parking warden.

We also have the committees approval to hit up the community boards to provide parking spaces in suburban areas

So, from all of you, I need details of suitable palces,. you need to tell me where you want to park. Needs to be practical, and not involve demolishing stuff, or forcing out other road users etc. Over to you, ask for it or lose it.

Thanks to all the uni dudes who came along

[UberRhys]

Debrief:

A very productive meeting.

Presentation well received. We managed to set one half of the committee at the throats of the other half (whilst we sat quietly watching). Which is good, when knaves fall out honest bikers come into their own. And we now have allies.

Well done :clap: Now I guess we just need to focus on where... :confused:

[pyrocam]

awesome work all those that attended

[Waxxa]

Awesome Ixion! Thanks for your efforts on this matter and a big thank you for the KBers who were able to go down to the council offices to represent us all. Keep up the good work dude!

[Ixion]

Letter to Mr Tomlinson. Watch this space

[Ixion]

Latest update

Met with Mr Tomlinson and a Mr Tim Darby , the latter apparently being the guy who decides what parks where, yesterday

Very amicable meeting, Mr Tomlinson spinning like mad, and me spinning back. Mr Tomlinson is genuinely pro biker (he *claims* to be the dude that introduced the free parking in ACC parking buildings. I thought it long preceded him, but maybe before I just didn't pay). He rides a Triumph Speedmaster. A weekend warrior, but a rider none the less. And he gave *me* the spiel about bikes being good for the ecology, congestion busters etc. He's a pom by the way but we won't hold that against him.

He says that a review is in process now, which will provide a "lot" more motorcycle parking , especially in non CBD areas - eg Ponsonby rd, Parnell.

He was also receptive to bikers sending in suggestions of "odd bits of space suitable for motorcycle parking" : send them to tim.darby@aucklandcity.govt.nz (I cleared that with Mr Derby). So, over to you, if there's a good posy and you want it made legit, email the dude. Also if you have a strong opinion on where the "lots of new bike parks" should be.

He raised the subject of parking on the footpath: it's a "health and safety issue" apparently, cos little kiddies could burn their little handies on hot exhaust pipes. I knew someone would think of the children. He kept a straight face saying that, but , I think, with difficulty.

I pointed out that there was "footpath footpath" and "out of the way not in anyones way, only footpath because it's not road footpath", to which he mumbled.

In which connection, has anyone RECENTLY (ie since Decnmber) had a problem with footpath parking? I haven't and I've kept right on parking as I always have.

I also raised the issue of zealous wardens ticketing for no WoF, rego, when they are there . He promised to "have a word" , and pointed out that if that happened it was only necessary to call Auckland City Council ,and they would check, and if true, cancel the ticket.

I do not believe him, of course, but he was, I think, as straight a s a bureaucrat can be (I had a cheap corkscrew went like that once, after I tried to open a really tightly corked bottle of wine). And he is an ally in court so we will not alienate him. I shall however, nag, irritatingly. I'm very good at that.

Further input is invited.

[crashe]

Latest update

Met with Mr Tomlinson and a Mr Tim Derby , the latter apparently being the guy who decides what parks where, yesterday

Very amicable meeting, Mr Tomlinson spinning like mad, and me spinning back. Mr Tomlinson is genuinely pro biker (he *claims* to be the dude that introduced the free parking in ACC parking buildings. I thought it long preceded him, but maybe before I just didn't pay). He rides a Triumph Speedmaster. A weekend warrior, but a rider none the less. And he gave *me* the spiel about bikes being good for the ecology, congestion busters etc. He's a pom by the way but we won't hold that against him.

He says that a review is in process now, which will provide a "lot" more motorcycle parking , especially in non CBD areas - eg Ponsonby rd, Parnell.

He was also receptive to bikers sending in suggestions of "odd bits of space suitable for motorcycle parking" : send them to tim.derby@aucklandcity.govt.nz (I cleared that with Mr Derby). So, over to you, if there's a good posy and you want it made legit, email the dude. Also if you have a strong opinion on where the "lots of new bike parks" should be.

He raised the subject of parking on the footpath: it's a "health and safety issue" apparently, cos little kiddies could burn their little handies on hot exhaust pipes. I knew someone would think of the children. He kept a straight face saying that, but , I think, with difficulty.

I pointed out that there was "footpath footpath" and "out of the way not in anyones way, only footpath because it's not road footpath", to which he mumbled.

In which connection, has anyone RECENTLY (ie since Decnmber) had a problem with footpath parking? I haven't and I've kept right on parking as I always have.

I also raised the issue of zealous wardens ticketing for no WoF, rego, when they are there . He promised to "have a word" , and pointed out that if that happened it was only necessary to call Auckland City Council ,and they would check, and if true, cancel the ticket.

I do not believe him, of course, but he was, I think, as straight a s a bureaucrat can be (I had a cheap corkscrew went like that once, after I tried to open a really tightly corked bottle of wine). And he is an ally in court so we will not alienate him. I shall however, nag, irritatingly. I'm very good at that.

Further input is invited.

cheers...
I'm in the city on Wednesday so shall take note of the actual address of where I park at the Ponsonby Road foodcourt (well its where lots of bikers stop to eat in that area). Will also go do a wee run over to my other places that I park in as well in the city.

I'm sure Mr Derby will love his email inbox full of email's from all us bikers.

Too date I haven't had a parking ticket when my bike is parked on the footpath... mind you I can usually see my bike when its parked up...... or I have someone nearby who can come and get me if a parking warden is spotted.

[paturoa]

Spank had his gixer parked on the footpath outside my work this morning and no ticky. The wardens walked past a couple of times and just ignored it.

[pyrocam]

I've never been ticketed anywhere in Auckland so far. (CBD, grafton, newmarket, takapuna etc) admittedly I don't park on the footpath that often.


5 minutes in hamilton on the otherhand....

[Squiggles]

I also raised the issue of zealous wardens ticketing for no WoF, rego, when they are there . He promised to "have a word" , and pointed out that if that happened it was only necessary to call Auckland City Council ,and they would check, and if true, cancel the ticket.

lol, agree thats bs, i got told it had to be in writing, and i had to supply the proof.

I've been taking pictures since the meeting, i shall snap a few more and send them asap, also have a few pics from in taupo and out napier way, where they have little MC bays and 2 spot parks in all the odd shapped bits, just like we want :)

[90s]

Latest update

Met with Mr Tomlinson and a Mr Tim Darby , the latter apparently being the guy who decides what parks where, yesterday

Very amicable meeting, Mr Tomlinson spinning like mad, and me spinning back. Mr Tomlinson is genuinely pro biker (he *claims* to be the dude that introduced the free parking in ACC parking buildings. I thought it long preceded him, but maybe before I just didn't pay). He rides a Triumph Speedmaster. A weekend warrior, but a rider none the less. And he gave *me* the spiel about bikes being good for the ecology, congestion busters etc. He's a pom by the way but we won't hold that against him.

He says that a review is in process now, which will provide a "lot" more motorcycle parking , especially in non CBD areas - eg Ponsonby rd, Parnell.

He was also receptive to bikers sending in suggestions of "odd bits of space suitable for motorcycle parking" : send them to tim.darby@aucklandcity.govt.nz (I cleared that with Mr Derby). So, over to you, if there's a good posy and you want it made legit, email the dude. Also if you have a strong opinion on where the "lots of new bike parks" should be.

He raised the subject of parking on the footpath: it's a "health and safety issue" apparently, cos little kiddies could burn their little handies on hot exhaust pipes. I knew someone would think of the children. He kept a straight face saying that, but , I think, with difficulty.

I pointed out that there was "footpath footpath" and "out of the way not in anyones way, only footpath because it's not road footpath", to which he mumbled.

In which connection, has anyone RECENTLY (ie since Decnmber) had a problem with footpath parking? I haven't and I've kept right on parking as I always have.

I also raised the issue of zealous wardens ticketing for no WoF, rego, when they are there . He promised to "have a word" , and pointed out that if that happened it was only necessary to call Auckland City Council ,and they would check, and if true, cancel the ticket.

I do not believe him, of course, but he was, I think, as straight a s a bureaucrat can be (I had a cheap corkscrew went like that once, after I tried to open a really tightly corked bottle of wine). And he is an ally in court so we will not alienate him. I shall however, nag, irritatingly. I'm very good at that.

Further input is invited.

Great work Ixion.
Strange that although he talks the talk, the revamp of some roads in Newmarket this month have removed the bike parking and made no provision for replacement (Morrow St). Also it is depressing this dialogue seems disconneted from the "learning quarter" Universities Travel Plan projects headed by ARTA to revise traffic strategy for Auckland and Universities as a whole. It is a long time since I have seen a new bike park in Auckland. Old parks are being closed. Old ones such as St Paul st. have an uncertain future, and are regularly used by cars over the weekend and wardens NEVER take action on the infringing cars. Overall there is a lot of talk about new initiatives but in fact there is service degradation.
I will happily post this to the Rt Hon T if you think its worth it, but otherwise feel free to add this to your list. I would like to attend any future BRONZ meeting on these issues if poss.

[Ixion]

Great work Ixion.
Strange that although he talks the talk, the revamp of some roads in Newmarket this month have removed the bike parking and made no provision for replacement (Morrow St). Also it is depressing this dialogue seems disconneted from the "learning quarter" Universities Travel Plan projects headed by ARTA to revise traffic strategy for Auckland and Universities as a whole. It is a long time since I have seen a new bike park in Auckland. Old parks are being closed. Old ones such as St Paul st. have an uncertain future, and are regularly used by cars over the weekend and wardens NEVER take action on the infringing cars. Overall there is a lot of talk about new initiatives but in fact there is service degradation.
I will happily post this to the Rt Hon T if you think its worth it, but otherwise feel free to add this to your list. I would like to attend any future BRONZ meeting on these issues if poss.

Universities Travel Plan - he gave me a name about that : Melanie Alexander at ACC. Should be melanie.alexander@aucklandcity.govt.nz. Apparently she is ACCs liason person for the project (it's not an ACC project).

I'll take Morrow St up with Tim Darby. It was a bike park ? And now isn't ?

BRONZ meet at The Danish Centre Rocksummit or uvver Penrose, third Wednesday of every month , 19:30 hrs. Down Mt Smart Road, left into Maurice Rd (?), by where the bad smell used to be, over the railway line, first right . All welcome.

[90s]

I'll take Morrow St up with Tim Darby. It was a bike park ? And now isn't ?

Yep - was a dedicated bike parking space marked out with room for about 4 bikes (not a big one). Road has been redeveloped totally and no park restored.


BRONZ meet at The Danish Centre Rocksummit or uvver Penrose, third Wednesday of every month , 19:30 hrs. Down Mt Smart Road, left into Maurice Rd (?), by where the bad smell used to be, over the railway line, first right . All welcome.

Thanks. That Weds the 20th then. If I can't make that one I'll get along sometime.

[Japtwin]

fully ridiculous; just asswipes

[klingon]

I've never been ticketed for parking on the footpath in Auckland. Was in Kerikeri over the summer break and got a ticket. grrrr.

[Sanx]

Yep - was a dedicated bike parking space marked out with room for about 4 bikes (not a big one). Road has been redeveloped totally and no park restored.

I didn't realise that bike park had gone. I had fond memories of it, down to the one time that me and a biker mate blocked in a parking warden who thought he could use it whilst he went and ticketed all the cages. He couldnt find a park, so he dumped his car in the bike park. I parked six inches in front of him - my mate parked six inches behind, and then we went to Columbus to watch his reaction when he came back.

He thought about moving the bikes, but when he saw us thought the better of it. We finished out coffees - sssslllloooowwwwllllyyyy - and then let him out.

[Badjelly]

Great work Ixion.
Strange that although he talks the talk, the revamp of some roads in Newmarket this month have removed the bike parking and made no provision for replacement (Morrow St).

This is the problem with talking with people on the council (any council). You talk to someone who sounds reasonable and promises to get things done. Then you find that other people on the council, who don't care (or maybe even know) that this guy exists, have been continuing on their merry way regardless.

Off topic, but related: The other day we were out on a walk and found a bunch of mountain bikers building this neat-looking downhill track right through the middle of a local dog exercise area. We had a friendly chat, they said they had council backing, etc. (I'm an ex-dog owner and an ex-MTBer so I can see this both ways.) Next day my wife had a friendly chat with the person in charge of dog exercise areas (possibly not the most sought-after job n council). He hadn't even heard of this thing. They build a mountain-bike track through the middle of a dog exercise area and they don't even think of mentioning it to the guy in charge of dog exercise areas!

By the way, my wife played down the problems bikes might cause dogs and played up the problems the dogs might cause bikes, expecially bikes with children on them. It's always a good idea to think of the children!

Anyway, I'm guessing that being in charge of motorcycle parking ranks only slightly ahead of being in charge of dog exercise areas on most councils. I have an image of the motorcycle parking guy sitting in a little, sparsely furnished room with the dog exercise guy, wondering why noone else ever speaks to them.

Come to think of it ... are there any dog exercise areas that could be turned into motorcycle parks?

[The Pastor]

ixion, is it derby or darby? you put darby in the email, and refer to him as derby in your posts.

[Ixion]

It's Darby. I assumed it was spelled Derby, but when I read his card I see it is tim.darby

[chrispy121]

yeah a guy in the bike shop told me about this too
all of the bikes parked in car parks and the ban lased two days before the council allowed the bikes to use the foot path again.
about 40% of commuting vehicles in Melbourne are bikes

[twotyred]

yeah a guy in the bike shop told me about this too
all of the bikes parked in car parks and the ban lased two days before the council allowed the bikes to use the foot path again.
about 40% of commuting vehicles in Melbourne are bikes

Brilliant! this is what needs to be done in Hellington! :clap:

[BevanPT]

I've been parking in this spot outside my office in High St since October last year. In the past 2 weeks I've received 2 infringement notices - the first for failing to display a parking receipt, and the second for breaching the maximum time (a bit of leeway by the parking warden).

I cornered the warden yesterday to ask what the story was - 5 months parking in the same spot with no issues until now. Apparently they've been told to crackdown on "nuisance" motorcycles. WTF!

I consider the pay and display area to start at the white lines, he reckons it starts at the signpost. I said the bloody sign's in the wrong place then.

He did say to challenge the system and write a letter. I did that in October last year for a car issue and it took the council 4 months to reply.

At a time when we should be encouraging emmission reducing, congestion reducing vehicles and the council's getting all pedantic on motorcycles. It seems a bit ridiculous to me.

[fireball]

i agree with you, the timed parked area is indeed the marked carpark and as your bike is not in a "park" using council space fuck them.
contest it and good luck mate!

[Finn]

The council needs your money to help pay for my house repairs. So thank you Bevan, you just bought me a slab of Jib.

You may think I'm joking but ACC are faced with a HUGE bill for leaky building repairs. Add to this their MASSIVE waste of ratepayers money on inefficiencies and incompetence and quite simply, they're short of cash.

It's got nothing to do with motorcycles.

Talking of waste... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10493621 And this is to celebrate a project that cost 3 times more than it should have and it's still ugly.

[SPman]

You may think I'm joking but ACC are faced with a HUGE bill for leaky building repairs. Add to this their MASSIVE waste of ratepayers money on inefficiencies and incompetence and quite simply, they're short of cash.

It's got nothing to do with motorcycles.
.
They're staring down the barrel of up to $100,000,000 over the next few years, working on a 10% liability proportion ......and they can't keep whacking permit fees up! (although Building control is the only department that actually pays its own way)

[Finn]

They're staring down the barrel of up to $100,000,000 over the next few years, working on a 10% liability proportion ......and they can't keep whacking permit fees up! (although Building control is the only department that actually pays its own way)

Isn't it Joint and Several meaning if all other defendants bail then its lumped onto ACC?

[UberRhys]

I've been parking in this spot outside my office in High St since October last year. In the past 2 weeks I've received 2 infringement notices - the first for failing to display a parking receipt, and the second for breaching the maximum time (a bit of leeway by the parking warden).



Ummmm, I thought bikes didn't have to pay for parking in ACC carparking areas??

Really - what a real focker issueing a ticket for failing to display. Was this parking warden short at all?

[BevanPT]

[QUOTE=BevanPT;1437777]I've been parking in this spot outside my office in High St since October last year. In the past 2 weeks I've received 2 infringement notices - the first for failing to display a parking receipt, and the second for breaching the maximum time (a bit of leeway by the parking warden).

Update on previous post. Haven't written letter yet, but here's the latest development. Rode into work this morning and indicated to pull into usual spot. Lo and behold, a brand spanking new yellow line. Bastards!!!!!!

[mstriumph]

dark night
pot of grey paint
paint brush
bewwwwwwwdiful :innocent:

[Swoop]

:whistle:<tencharacters>

[Deviant]

I can't believe they did that...

To get someone out to paint one line like that would have cost them hundreds.

They have to book the person to go out there (administration), once he's booked he goes out and does it (labour and equipment), then they have to pay the guy and log the job completed (administration).

What effing difference is that going to make to anyone other than you?

NONE!!!! They went to all that trouble and cost to stop YOU from parking there, for no reason other than conformity.

I'm sorry guys, but this just proves that Australians are smarter than Kiwis. Even our Aussie politicians and council members are smarter... jeez.

[BevanPT]

I can't believe they did that...

To get someone out to paint one line like that would have cost them hundreds.

They have to book the person to go out there (administration), once he's booked he goes out and does it (labour and equipment), then they have to pay the guy and log the job completed (administration).

What effing difference is that going to make to anyone other than you?

NONE!!!! They went to all that trouble and cost to stop YOU from parking there, for no reason other than conformity.

I'm sorry guys, but this just proves that Australians are smarter than Kiwis. Even our Aussie politicians and council members are smarter... jeez.

Ridiculous I know. There are other spots on the same street that haven't been altered to conform. I guess I'll have to start parking there until they start adding more yellow lines.

[gijoe1313]

Thats the spirit!

[swbarnett]

There are other spots on the same street that haven't been altered to conform.
I noticed today similar markings at the end of parking areas somewhere around the CBD (forget where) that looked quite old. Perhaps it' policy but they only bother to paint them in when they're forced to.

[Deviant]

Haha, someone gave me bad rep and mentioned "typical Australian arrogance" for my last post.

I've put up with a lot of shit being an Aussie in NZ, mostly derogatory, and when I make a comment back (in jest, politically related) someone goes to the trouble of giving me a bad rep remark and a comment.

Clap clap handicap. Read up, it's the truth, our politicians are forward thinking, NZ's are retards.

Anyone care to disagree? Do it in public, I think you'll find the consensus is that NZ is a great country run by muppets.

[Strider]

Went down to the city center to see a mate you has a shop there and parks his BMW adventure bike on the pavement. It's in no nobody's ways as it's between a phone box and the pavement edge, but he gets a ticket today for the first time.


After talking to the warden, he's told that they had a meeting today and were told to crack down on bikes parked on the pavement.

What the fuck for?? Have there been a rash of complaints? Or more likely, it's just a crackdown for the sake of having a crackdown and this was just picked at random.

They need more money to pay for the council :devil2:pay rise.

[Strider]

I think I see a simple solution for hassle-free all day footpath parking:

Remove #plate from bike while it's on the footpath. The bike's not on the road, so it's not illegal, & they can't send you a ticket 'cos they don't know who you are ;-)

Clint

You do that, then you will come back only to find that the bike has been taken by a towie.

[Soul.Trader]

Haha, someone gave me bad rep and mentioned "typical Australian arrogance" for my last post.

I've put up with a lot of shit being an Aussie in NZ, mostly derogatory, and when I make a comment back (in jest, politically related) someone goes to the trouble of giving me a bad rep remark and a comment.

Clap clap handicap. Read up, it's the truth, our politicians are forward thinking, NZ's are retards.

Anyone care to disagree? Do it in public, I think you'll find the consensus is that NZ is a great country run by muppets.

That was me, and you are an arrogant Australian. Feel free to fuck off back home if you'll be happier there.

[Strider]

Yes I agree that the politicians in NZ are retards. They are sending us into the dark ages if they had their way.

[klingon]

ahem. Back on topic :rolleyes:

There is a BRONZ meeting on Wednesday and I understand this issue is on the agenda.

Details:
7:30pm Wednesday 19 March 2008
Danish House, 6 Rockridge Ave, Penrose

I will post a separate topic to publicise the meeting.

[Ixion]

...
He was also receptive to bikers sending in suggestions of "odd bits of space suitable for motorcycle parking" : send them to tim.darby@aucklandcity.govt.nz (I cleared that with Mr Derby). So, over to you, if there's a good posy and you want it made legit, email the dude. Also if you have a strong opinion on where the "lots of new bike parks" should be.
.


A follow up message from MR Darby. He *really* wants to know where you would all like bike parks



I am following up with you from your meeting with Brian Tomlinson, Group Manager Parking, Auckland City Council and me some weeks ago. We have spoken on the phone since that time where I confirmed no loss to motorcycle parking with the central connector project.
We are working to identify possible additional sites for motorcycle parking too. Possible sites identified are being investigated. Good news.
At the same time I thought it would be worthwhile following up on any feedback from BRONZ members about possible motorcycle park sites. Members will know likely areas and we would welcome their input.
Kind Regards
Tim
Tim Darby
Delivery Planning Manager
Transport Division
Phone: 09 373 6829
Location: Bledisloe House, 24 Wellesley Street, Auckland


If you don't input, don't complain.

[Swoop]

Remove every 20th roadside car park and designate it for bikes only. When people see that there is plenty of praking for boiks, they will be lured out of their cage.
Win-win situation really.

[UberRhys]

I have recently moved from the city of sails to the sulphar city and the thing that I noticed was that they have designated bike parking everywhere!

Auckland could take note from this city of bubbling mud.

[sprag]

[QUOTE=BevanPT;1437777]I've been parking in this spot outside my office in High St since October last year. In the past 2 weeks I've received 2 infringement notices - the first for failing to display a parking receipt, and the second for breaching the maximum time (a bit of leeway by the parking warden).

Update on previous post. Haven't written letter yet, but here's the latest development. Rode into work this morning and indicated to pull into usual spot. Lo and behold, a brand spanking new yellow line. Bastards!!!!!!

LOL now that is just funny, you can just see the parking guy laffing

[BM-GS]

Mrs GS got ticketed in the Viaduct (Vodafone) today after parking in her usual place (it has been for a month or so) and being accosted by the concierge from the Westin. He was already on the phone (she reckons to the parking police) and even though she moved it further down the pavement to where the bicycles are chained to their lollipops (there used to be a heap of bikes & scooters parked about there) she got a ticket.

Yes on the pavement, no, not in anyone's way. I've actually been there after swapping the car & #1 son for the bike in the school hols (I give her car & kid & ride off to work) and as I was unlocking I've been asked to let a couple take a photo of her on the bike, so the bike could be argued to be an enhancement...

She hasn't followed up with Westin-bloke in case the lamped him with her lid, but I have a few questions:

1. Was that a bike park which got removed? If so, any chance of getting it back?

2. Can one force ones employer to sort the floor finish in underground parking? It's alweays some crap glossy sealant which is slippery as f*ck when wet. Can we sue the landlord for damage? (I know the signs say we can't but if a provided facility isn't safe... Philips UK got stung by this when their coverd bikeshed grew algae on the floor - when the bikers on the staff complained they got told to get stuffed. Once council visit later, when they were advised that if they provided a faclity they had to make sure it was safe, they got a man in to jetwash the goo off the floor.

3. What other proposed new bike parks are being made in the city?

TTFN,
BM-GS

[pyrocam]

Mrs GS got ticketed in the Viaduct (Vodafone) today after parking in her usual place (it has been for a month or so) and being accosted by the concierge from the Westin. He was already on the phone (she reckons to the parking police) and even though she moved it further down the pavement to where the bicycles are chained to their lollipops (there used to be a heap of bikes & scooters parked about there) she got a ticket.

Yes on the pavement, no, not in anyone's way. I've actually been there after swapping the car & #1 son for the bike in the school hols (I give her car & kid & ride off to work) and as I was unlocking I've been asked to let a couple take a photo of her on the bike, so the bike could be argued to be an enhancement...

She hasn't followed up with Westin-bloke in case the lamped him with her lid, but I have a few questions:

1. Was that a bike park which got removed? If so, any chance of getting it back?

2. Can one force ones employer to sort the floor finish in underground parking? It's alweays some crap glossy sealant which is slippery as f*ck when wet. Can we sue the landlord for damage? (I know the signs say we can't but if a provided facility isn't safe... Philips UK got stung by this when their coverd bikeshed grew algae on the floor - when the bikers on the staff complained they got told to get stuffed. Once council visit later, when they were advised that if they provided a faclity they had to make sure it was safe, they got a man in to jetwash the goo off the floor.

3. What other proposed new bike parks are being made in the city?

TTFN,
BM-GS

I used to park next to the bike lollipops* there was always one or two bikes there and more often, in the same slippery ass car park. (one up on the left hand side. same material though) I doubt you will be able to sue them for the slippery floor I dropped my bike once and just learned how to ride on it (slowly!)
you could ask them nicely though :) thats a good start.

the problem is now with the Westin in place they think they own the area around it but its not their fault for wanting it to look uncluttered around their business.


in fact. I used that area it to sell my bike: http://pyrocam.com/files/images/bike-pics/APR07/Image10.jpg

That was all prior to the Westin though.


Also, someone just popped an issue of "NZ RUSH HOUR" on my desk "the magazine for smart commuters" and there is a 2 page article on motorbike parking in auckland
some notes they wrote:


DO: Ideally park in the allocated area of an Auckland City parkink building - parking is free, under cover and relatively secure.
Park in open air parking spaces or allocated bike specific parking
Park considerately on the road with safety in mind - bikes are not subject to pay and display, but must park considerately

DONT:
Park on yellow lines, bus stops or other 'no parking' area's
park on footpaths or in area's where pedestrians will be blocked

If in doubt about a specific area, contact the building management to clarify whether it is part of the footpath or belongs to the building