Dial 111 AND GET A TAXI ????

[pipeman]

Watching the news tonight on telly saw that young women at piha had made a 111 call to get asitance and you now what the police did
:wacko: SEND A TAXI :wacko:
all i can say is i'm very sadden by this what do these police stand for i believe it's not the good of us normal people but the money driven benifits that has been employed by our politions.
TO SERVE AND PROTECT
my heart goes out to the family of this young women on whitch i can see could have been diverted
:angry2:

[spudchucka]

Watching the news tonight on telly saw that young women at piha had made a 111 call to get asitance and you now what the police did
:wacko: SEND A TAXI :wacko:
all i can say is i'm very sadden by this what do these police stand for i believe it's not the good of us normal people but the money driven benifits that has been employed by our politions.
TO SERVE AND PROTECT
my heart goes out to the family of this young women on whitch i can see could have been diverted
:angry2:
Yet another expert. Check Lou's thread on this same topic.

[scumdog]

Watching the news tonight on telly saw that young women at piha had made a 111 call to get asitance and you now what the police did
:wacko: SEND A TAXI :wacko:
all i can say is i'm very sadden by this what do these police stand for i believe it's not the good of us normal people but the money driven benifits that has been employed by our politions.
TO SERVE AND PROTECT
my heart goes out to the family of this young women on whitch i can see could have been diverted
:angry2:

What do you think it is like for us guys on the front-line when every move is dictated by what dollars the 'big-wigs' are prepared to spend??
We get efin angry and frustrated too - just ask marty, spuchucker etc (sorry if I missed anybody) and we also get the brunt of the complaints/comments from the public too, plus we feel the guilt of not having done what we feel we should for the public :weep:

[Blakamin]

isnt "to serve and protect" an american thing???
hey we might not all agree, but how many 111 calls are pure bullshit?... how do you tell the difference? we're all human... we make mistakes....



BTW... i aint stickin up for nobody... shit happens!


ps... what about the cab that didnt show up??? anyone bitchin at him.... he mighta fucken done it for all we know!

[pipeman]

isnt "to serve and protect" an american thing???
hey we might not all agree, but how many 111 calls are pure bullshit?... how do you tell the difference? we're all human... we make mistakes....



BTW... i aint stickin up for nobody... shit happens!


ps... what about the cab that didnt show up??? anyone bitchin at him.... he mighta fucken done it for all we know!


come on live is worth more than bullshit you now this. A live is gone because of this BULLSHIT

[badlieutenant]

Watching the news tonight on telly saw that young women at piha had made a 111 call to get asitance and you now what the police did
:wacko: SEND A TAXI :wacko:
all i can say is i'm very sadden by this what do these police stand for i believe it's not the good of us normal people but the money driven benifits that has been employed by our politions.
TO SERVE AND PROTECT
my heart goes out to the family of this young women on whitch i can see could have been diverted
:angry2:
I could be wrong but please check the statement. Hes not actually saying the police are crap (at least I didnt see it that way) he makes the point regarding politics at the end of the sentence in context.
dont get too defensive. :cool2:

[scumdog]

isnt "to serve and protect" an american thing???
hey we might not all agree, but how many 111 calls are pure bullshit?... how do you tell the difference? we're all human... we make mistakes....



BTW... i aint stickin up for nobody... shit happens!


ps... what about the cab that didnt show up??? anyone bitchin at him.... he mighta fucken done it for all we know!

Get onto the polys at the beehive guys- last weekend we couldn't get any vehicle checks etc done 'cos Ch-ch Comm centre was handling (or trying to!) the overflow 111 calls from Auckland and Wellington!! WTF!! and the public wonder why they are let down by the Police!! Where is Lou when you REALLY need him? - picking on the front line guys instead of those that make the decissions :spudwhat:

Got a few days off and I've been drinking by dead (RIP) father-in-laws home made moon-shine stuff, - lift the paint off a battle-ship but tastes good ;)

[marty]

only cause the front line guys haven't got the time or the energy to argue with yet another tosser

[Blakamin]

Get onto the polys at the beehive guys- last weekend we couldn't get any vehicle checks etc done 'cos Ch-ch Comm centre was handling (or trying to!) the overflow 111 calls from auckland and Wellington!! WTF!! and the public wonder why they are let down by the Police!! Where is Lou when you REALLY need him? - picking on the front line guys instead of those that make the decissions :spudwhat:
exactly what i was getting at...albeit in a round about way... are all 111 calls emergencies??... someone HUMAN has to make that decision.. and people fuck up!...
*end of rant


edit] it's sad that someones missing but having a go at everyone aint gunna change it... maybe we should be out looking for her!

[riffer]

According to the media (and we all know they are always right :rolleyes: ) more 111 calls than not are not genuine.

[marty]

anyone who has been to the auckland comms centre will know this, but here's the reality:

call takers - those who answer your 111 calls. ALL are non-sworn. there are NO police officers answering your 111 or PABX calls. they enter the jobs for the dispatchers to dispatch to the cars. it is not uncommon to have up to 50% of the call takers either on sick leave, or just not turning up to work. They look after all calls from a line thru and north of taupo/turangi. many of these call takers are taken straight from WINZ job lists, as the pay is such crap, not to mention the rubbish they have to put up with from the public etc, it is hard to get ex cops, and educated people, to man the call taker phones. those who are motivated and educated, quickly get promoted to team leader, and don't take calls anymore (don't blame them) i have worked in a comms centre (in the old days when cops took 111's and dispatched cars), and we would receive heaps (sometimes 20 a night just in ham vegas) of 111 calls from people asking for the time, that they had run out of money and could we call them a cab, could we call their parents to come and get them from town, could we order them a pizza as they had run out of $ on their cell - all sorts of crap! that's on top of the suicidal people who just wanted a chat, the mentals who were *honestly* standing on a bridge going to jump off it. jeez the list goes on.
it is not uncommon for 111 calls to end up in Chch or WN, if they are not answered within 10 rings. the staff are not sitting around drinking coffee though. they are flat out.

some people here need to take the time to educate themselves before making uneducated trolling comments. it is not helpful to anyone.

[spudchucka]

all i can say is i'm very sadden by this what do these police stand for i believe it's not the good of us normal people but the money driven benifits that has been employed by our politions.
TO SERVE AND PROTECT

Once again, just so everyone knows the truth, here is the oath that every police officer takes in New Zealand.


``I, Your Name, do swear that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lady the Queen in the Police, without favour or affection, malice or ill-will, until I am legally discharged; that I will see and cause Her Majesty's peace to be kept and preserved; that I will prevent to the best of my power all offences against the peace; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law. So help me God.''

The term "To serve and Protect" comes from the television, which is where most people like you gain their very limited knowledge of anything to do with police. Although the term does apply indirectly to pretty much any police service.

[pipeman]

Once again, just so everyone knows the truth, here is the oath that every police officer takes in New Zealand.



The term "To serve and Protect" comes from the television, which is where most people like you gain their very limited knowledge of anything to do with police. Although the term does apply indirectly to pretty much any police service.


"YOUR JUST MISSING THE POINT MATE"
now i now why i'm fastly lossing respect for you PIGS

[marty]

i'm sure the feeling's mutual

[marty]

and at least we KNOW when we're making speeling mistakes

[Blakamin]

"YOUR JUST MISSING THE POINT MATE"
now i now why i'm fastly lossing respect for you PIGS
are you not human??? do you not make a mistake at work? if so... do not pass go, go directly to the heaven/nirvana of your choice.... my world has moved...I've just met a fuckin saint..

/sarcasm mode off



you know what pisses me off the most... you dont give a fuck about this chick, you just wanna vent off your own shitty attitude

[scumdog]

"YOUR JUST MISSING THE POINT MATE"
now i now why i'm fastly lossing respect for you PIGS

Eh? please explain, I think I have missed something, however even if I haven't please feel free to join the PIGS and show us all how much better YOU would do the job, I'm just waiting for somebody to show me a better, easier, more public acceptable way of doing what I do!! - and do you know a good way of getting human brains off a reflective jacket without dry-cleaning? apparently the dry-cleaning ruind the reflective strips!!

[marty]

funny - i'm sure i started off all nice. it was you who started wanking on. have YOU ever been involved in searching sewage tanks/swollen rivers/mud flats/crashing surf at piha/ruapuke/kawhia/raglan for dead bodies?

no i didn't think so.

[pipeman]

are you not human??? do you not make a mistake at work? if so... do not pass go, go directly to the heaven/nirvana of your choice.... my world has moved...I've just met a fuckin saint..

/sarcasm mode off



you know what pisses me off the most... you dont give a fuck about this chick, you just wanna vent of your own shitty attitude


111 means help me doesnt durrrrr
YOU GUY'S ARE FORGETTING LIVE HAS BEEN LOST "GONE" "FOREVER" "FINISHED" you now ?
be proactive instead reactive you make me :puke:

[Blakamin]

111 means help me doesnt durrrrr
YOU GUY'S ARE FORGETTING LIVE HAS BEEN LOST "GONE" "FOREVER" "FINISHED" you now ?
be proactive instead reactive you make me :puke:
111 means i need help... not a fuckin cab... but thats what people do... ... "help, i cant get home from the niteclub".... "help, i've got a boil on my arse" "help, someones switched the fuckin lures in my tacklebox"


if you feel so strongly, go out and help find her!

[spudchucka]

"YOUR JUST MISSING THE POINT MATE"
now i now why i'm fastly lossing respect for you PIGS
Shit, now you've gone and hurt my feelings! How can you possibly be so heartless as to call me a pig. I am shocked and stunned that anybody could call a memeber of the police by such a term. And the effort you put into that insult makes it so much more devastating. Only a true vulgarian could be so insulting! I'm so distressed that you have insulted me in this manner that I am going to have to log off and get a hug from someone who cares.

[Posh Tourer :P]

111 means help me doesnt durrrrr
YOU GUY'S ARE FORGETTING LIVE HAS BEEN LOST "GONE" "FOREVER" "FINISHED" you now ?
be proactive instead reactive you make me :puke:

Like it or not, police have to make judgements. Yes a life has been lost (we think) and yes its tragic.

Again, like it or not, there is a price put on life, if indirectly. Police cannot go and pick up every drunk/high person who rings 111 while feeling scared. It costs too much time and diverts skilled resources from areas where they may be more needed. So in this case action was taken, perhaps wrongly, by the call-centre staff. Sorry, and regrettable. But not necessarily fixable.

Be Proactive? how proactive and with what funds? Proactive isnt efficient and making the best use of limited resources....

Perhaps you'd better buy yourself a stack of chunder-bags, cos life is full of disappointments like this one mate....

[spudchucka]

111 means help me doesnt durrrrr
YOU GUY'S ARE FORGETTING LIVE HAS BEEN LOST "GONE" "FOREVER" "FINISHED" you now ?
be proactive instead reactive you make me :puke:
For a lot of people 111 means a free call to someone who might be able to provide a free service and sort some shit out that you can't get sorted any other way. I would like to post how many 111 calls to police are non-emergencies but i don't have those figures, I can say from experience however that a great number are nonsense calls.

And by the way a body has not been found. Your assumption that life has been lost is as valuable as your other assumptions in this thread.

[Stevo]

Hope ya got your hug Spudchucka. I'd give ya one but ya might find that nearly as offensive as Pipesmoker :killingme

[scumdog]

111 means help me doesnt durrrrr
YOU GUY'S ARE FORGETTING LIVE HAS BEEN LOST "GONE" "FOREVER" "FINISHED" you now ?
be proactive instead reactive you make me :puke:

O.K miracle-man, how would you have handled it? 'course for a start you have to be human, you also have to have many other incoming jobs/distractions, you also have to have a limited amount of incoming information. you also have to have a limited amount of resources/staff/facilities, but putting that aside how could you have done better??? "walk a mile in my moccassins and then judge me" Gokliya, 1779.

[spudchucka]

Hope ya got your hug Spudchucka. I'd give ya one but ya might find that nearly as offensive as Pipesmoker :killingme
No hugs yet, and I'm soooooo hurt by his cruel words. No one has ever called me a pig before. I just can't believe that someone could be so hurtfull and so callous. He must really hate the police to put all that time and effort into coming up with such an original and well thought out insult.

[scumdog]

111 means help me doesnt durrrrr
YOU GUY'S ARE FORGETTING LIVE HAS BEEN LOST "GONE" "FOREVER" "FINISHED" you now ?
be proactive instead reactive you make me :puke:

Troll? Troll? c'mon it HAS to be a troll? - NOBODY is THAT spaced out!! :blink:

[Blakamin]

No hugs yet, and I'm soooooo hurt by his cruel words. No one has ever called me a pig before. I just can't believe that someone could be so hurtfull and so callous. He must really hate the police to put all that time and effort into coming up with such an original and well thought out insult.
isnt it spelt... PLEECE????? :2thumbsup :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

hope everone realised that was a joke

[stevedee]

Take it easy guys remember if the police aren't there we all are in big trouble, give them a break the job never will win a prize but who could do it day in and out like they do? Lighten up

[Antallica]

Yeah me and mum thought the whole taxi thing was a bit shocking. But 'shocking' is coming from random idiots feeding off propaganda on the shitbox.

[scumdog]

Take it easy guys remember if the police aren't there we all are in big trouble, give them a break the job never will win a prize but who could do it day in and out like they do? Lighten up

I think you have summed it up well, "day in and day out", that is what grinds us down eh guys? ANYBODY can handle it once or twice in a lifetime or maybe more times in a short burst but the long haul burns you out and you can never say 'no, not my turn this time, somebody else can do it" :no:

[badlieutenant]

I hate they way our media goes to such pains to provide a veiw point on everything. How bout they just give us the facts, delivered in a manner, where possible, that implies nothing but a given set of circumstances. If we keep getting a popular perspective force feed to us then well become american.
As for the 111 call, who knows what they talked about on the phone ? anyone seen a transcript ? maybe she came across as really sorta drunk but not under immediate threat at that point ?
I know its hard not to bite but if you want a thread to stop just dont post :D (I kinda think some of the retorts are bloody hillarious, so im encouraging it)

*pop corn please*

[scumdog]

Just read my comments in this thread in the cold hard light of day - and I was quite restrained and eloquent considering my moon-shine intake!!!

I wonder if guys like pipeman are REALLY that unthinking or if they are more of a troll than we give them credit for? :spudwhat:

[Bonez]

As for the 111 call, who knows what they talked about on the phone ? anyone seen a transcript ? maybe she came across as really sorta drunk but not under immediate threat at that point ?
I know its hard not to bite but if you want a thread to stop just dont post :D (I kinda think some of the retorts are bloody hillarious, so im encouraging it)

*pop corn please* I was thinking along the same lines. Maybe she just wanted the local copper to give her a lift home.
:scooter:

[pipeman]

It has been very interesting reading some of these replies. One of my points was that the that way police are used. ok we have limited resoucres when it comes to crime but where we point these resoucres is the problem. The direction and focus is wrong. Its was stated on a media show just lately that 75% of police time was to spent traffic infringments so how much % does this leave for real crime? do the maths. Now i no you will say this a load of shit because that the kind of people are.(SHOULD HAVE READ THE THREAD PROPERLY) I'm not pointing the finger at the police but there mandate given to them by the powers to be. How many fo you out there have been burgaled and rang the police and told yes there be unit send to you and then waited three days to turn up? But when comes to a small infringment like your thing like doing 56km in a 50km zone you are made to feel like a real criminal? Whats with this. I beleif the focus must change from the genral puplic to the grass roots of crime only this way we can gain a better country and gain more respect for the people in blue (our civil servants).
It's just a shame a life could have been saved. But people are bizzy passing the buck like "what about the taxi and why didn't he turn up" Lets not loose the focus here people so I end this and say my heart and feeling go out to this family and hope we can catch the real criminal in this.

[Blakamin]

Lets not loose the focus here people so I end this and say my heart and feeling go out to this family and hope we can catch the real criminal in this.
Thats something i agree with...100%

[Stevo]

It has been very interesting reading some of these replies. One of my points was that the that way police are used. ok we have limited resoucres when it comes to crime but where we point these resoucres is the problem. The direction and focus is wrong. Its was stated on a media show just lately that 75% of police time was to spent traffic infringments so how much % does this leave for real crime? do the maths. Now i no you will say this a load of shit because that the kind of people are.(SHOULD HAVE READ THE THREAD PROPERLY) I'm not pointing the finger at the police but there mandate given to them by the powers to be. How many fo you out there have been burgaled and rang the police and told yes there be unit send to you and then waited three days to turn up? But when comes to a small infringment like your thing like doing 56km in a 50km zone you are made to feel like a real criminal? Whats with this. I beleif the focus must change from the genral puplic to the grass roots of crime only this way we can gain a better country and gain more respect for the people in blue (our civil servants).
It's just a shame a life could have been saved. But people are bizzy passing the buck like "what about the taxi and why didn't he turn up" Lets not loose the focus here people so I end this and say my heart and feeling go out to this family and hope we can catch the real criminal in this.

I believe this was covered in the forum the other day by one of the police folk. Cost of helping this girl out = police time. Cost to country long term when she turns up dead = Nothing.

Cost of issuing traffic tickets = police time. Cost saving to NZ govt/ACC by reducing severely injured people on NZ roads = Massive. If ya don't like it run for parliament.

This one incident will go away but for the govt etc the burden of road toll etc is always there. Doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to figure out how the world works. It is sad but true. Definitely not FAIR either, but not much in life is..................... the rich will always get richer and the poor be poorer........

[spudchucka]

It has been very interesting reading some of these replies. One of my points was that the that way police are used. ok we have limited resoucres when it comes to crime but where we point these resoucres is the problem.
Search the forum, this stuff has been covered soooo many times before.


Its was stated on a media show just lately that 75% of police time was to spent traffic infringments so how much % does this leave for real crime? do the maths. Now i no you will say this a load of shit because that the kind of people are
A big lesson for you would be to not believe everything the media states. The traffic side of the NZ police accounts for about 25% of the annual budget.


But when comes to a small infringment like your thing like doing 56km in a 50km zone you are made to feel like a real criminal?
Firstly, nobody gets a ticket for 56 in a 50 zone unless they are a known criminal or a total twat. Secondly if you feel like a criminal when you speed, look inside yourself and ask yourself why.


I beleif the focus must change from the genral puplic to the grass roots of crime only this way we can gain a better country and gain more respect for the people in blue (our civil servants).
I agree that more resources should be thrown at locking away criminals. But as soon as the pressure comes off the driving public they will be back to driving however they like and at whatever speeds they like. So the current rigid enforcement is not likely to ever change.


It's just a shame a life could have been saved. But people are bizzy passing the buck like "what about the taxi and why didn't he turn up" Lets not loose the focus here people so I end this and say my heart and feeling go out to this family and hope we can catch the real criminal in this.

At least you can show empathy towards the family.

They aren't passing the buck, they are maintaining an open mind until more facts are known. There are a lot of possible scenarios that when fully known will have a large impact on how this entire matter is perceived by all NZ's. If once all the facts are known, it is shown that somebody stuffed up and a life was lost directly because of that stuff up THEN go ahead and hang them if thats what will make you feel better.

Moral of the story Pipeman is don't believe everything the media presents and keep your mouth shut untill ALL the facts are known.

[Storm]

Congratulations to all those who serve in the blue uniform. Buggered if I'd want to put up with a lot of the lowlife scum that thier jobs force them to be involved with. They work long hours and as has been previously stated, in utterly shite conditions, and do they get thanks for it ? Hell no. But when something goes wrong, the line of idiots lining up to have a go stretches round the block. They are just people same as us, no more, no less. And I cant honestly say I've ever had to come home from work and figure out how to get parts of what used to be someones son/daughter/father/mother etc off my clothes. It really %^&*s me off when people just jump on the bandwagon for a quick shit flinging

*Takes deep breath and steps down off soapbox* :calm:

[Lou Girardin]

I can't even bring myself to reply to the self-serving justifications spewing from certain keyboards. This one is down there with the cops letting an injured woman die while they 'contained' an offender. Send a cab, indeed.
Sickening.

[spudchucka]

I can't even bring myself to reply to the self-serving justifications spewing from certain keyboards. This one is down there with the cops letting an injured woman die while they 'contained' an offender. Send a cab, indeed.
Sickening.
You're the most ignorant and self serving pointless excuse of a human being I have ever had the pleasure of telling to get fucked.

GET FUCKED!!!!!

[Bonez]

Folk seem to be a bit sensitive today. Is the weather, daylight savings, alignment of the planets, alians, Basil Brush, Miss Piggy or something else? :rolleyes:

[Kickaha]

I can't even bring myself to reply to the self-serving justifications spewing from certain keyboards. This one is down there with the cops letting an injured woman die while they 'contained' an offender. Send a cab, indeed.
Sickening.

And what self serving justifications would they be Lou?

I take it you're privy to more information regarding sending the cab than the rest of us mere mortals and have all the facts regarding this incident,how about sharing them with the rest of us or are you just going to carry on your usual bleating and whinging where ever you're able to try and show the police in unfavourable terms

[marty]

and slagging off the cops on here gets you SO many brownie points lou. you're a big brave man. really - you are

[spudchucka]

And what self serving justifications would they be Lou?

I take it you're privy to more information regarding sending the cab than the rest of us mere mortals and have all the facts regarding this incident,how about sharing them with the rest of us or are you just going to carry on your usual bleating and whinging where ever you're able to try and show the police in unfavourable terms
Lou obviously has a direct line to god, how else would he know so much that nobody else knows? To be able to make such insightful judgements based on the limited information that has been made public could only done with divine sight.







Then again maybe he is simply an over opinionated oxygen thief with an axe to grind.

[Indo]

I can't even bring myself to reply to the self-serving justifications spewing from certain keyboards. This one is down there with the cops letting an injured woman die while they 'contained' an offender. Send a cab, indeed.
Sickening.

Oh not Lou as an ex MOT officer (you know the real nazis who didn't have the mustard to fight actual criminals) has an inside line into Police hq? somehow i doubt it.

Lou's long gone past the point of simple hatred to absolute delusional idiocy, which is quite an accomplishment.

Of course though the Police should spend there entire time ferrying drunks/druggies to whatever destination, god forbid taxis do this!

Opps i should add that we do not know the substance of the call, and Lou most certainly does not, although he would like people to think otherwise, which is kinda sad.

[bluninja]

Lou obviously has a direct line to god, how else would he know so much that nobody else knows? To be able to make such insightful judgements based on the limited information that has been made public could only done with divine sight

Strange I would have expected more from Lou in the religous ravings thread :killingme Perhaps if someone said god was a policeman, that would stir him into action :cool2:

[rodgerd]

Cost of issuing traffic tickets = police time. Cost saving to NZ govt/ACC by reducing severely injured people on NZ roads = Massive. If ya don't like it run for parliament.


Don't you mean, "if you don't like it, don't ride like a tard, and the cops will be able to spend more time on other stuff."

[scumdog]

C'mon people, SOMEBODY out there must agree with Lou 100% eh? Where is the support for HIM?
It's all very well agreeing with spudchucka & co. but you just KNOW he's going to give a biased and untrue opinion and aspect to this type of thing, hell we all know cops know nothing and lie!!!!!!




















Whereas slack-jawed mouth-breathin lack-witted improvident oxygen thieves ALWAYS know ALL the facts and ALWAYS tell the truth :bleh:

[DarkNinja]

Spudchucka and co, good on you for sticking up for yourselves. You guys shouldnt even be getting crapped on. You werent there, heck, im guessing you guys dont even work in Piha. One interesting fact i think would change a few peoples judgement would be the recording of the 111 call. whether or not the media get to publish that we will have to wait to know if it was the right circumstances to send a taxi, or a unit.
As for 56kms in a 50km area, stick to speed limit, cops are only out there to catch the BAD GUYS

[spudchucka]

Spudchucka and co, good on you for sticking up for yourselves. You guys shouldnt even be getting crapped on. You werent there, heck, im guessing you guys dont even work in Piha. One interesting fact i think would change a few peoples judgement would be the recording of the 111 call. whether or not the media get to publish that we will have to wait to know if it was the right circumstances to send a taxi, or a unit.
As for 56kms in a 50km area, stick to speed limit, cops are only out there to catch the BAD GUYS
Every call to police Comms is recorded, as are radio transmissions. The recordings will be disclosed to the PCA and will no doubt be central to the investigation. It would not be appropriate to release the recordings to the media, 1: because it would be insensitive to the family and 2: because there will be an investigation to follow all of this. Meanwhile the likes of Lou will continue to indulge in their trial by media mentality.

[pipeman]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4358&stc=1

[NC]

"YOUR JUST MISSING THE POINT MATE"
now i now why i'm fastly lossing respect for you PIGS
That's not manners!!! :mad:

[NC]

isnt "to serve and protect" an american thing???
hey we might not all agree, but how many 111 calls are pure bullshit?... how do you tell the difference? we're all human... we make mistakes...

Good point


ps... what about the cab that didnt show up??? anyone bitchin at him.... he mighta fucken done it for all we know!


I fucken HATE Auckland Taxi drivers!

[spudchucka]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4358&stc=1
1: The scan is too small to be able to actually read the story.

2: When and where was this published?

3: Whats the relevance to this thread? Nothing! You are simply trying to score points and its a pathetic attempt at that.

4: What are you trying to prove?

[KATWYN]

Well i'm glad I am not in the teaching,hospital or policing professions-
and have to be subjected to "this type of put down" because of politics.

Anyone with half a brain, knows these decisions come from the top (government) and that its not the good guys who are actually doing the work and making decisions under pressure with limited resources that are at fault - anyone that says it is, is ignorant or narrow minded (in my opinion)

With all the privacy laws,hyped media and political correctness going on,
it makes it hard for the general public to come to any factual conclusion about anything.....and until the public is allowed to know all the true fact maybe its best to :shutup:

[Lou Girardin]

Oh Dear, the Northern Communications manager has come out and as good as admitted that they stuffed up. Two patrol cars were available at the time they called a taxi. He said that the actions taken were not acceptable. He further said that women especially should be confident that the Police would respond when called.
He didn't want the public to lose faith in the 111 system.
Shame a woman died though.
The Police are already reacting to public concern over their safety. Temuka Police were called to an assault on a woman by a Magpie, they subdued the frenzied avian by wringing it's neck. Unfortunately it was a neighbours pet and flightless. I guess the locals were lucky that he didn't empty a Glock at it.

[scumdog]

Oh Dear, the Northern Communications manager has come out and as good as admitted that they stuffed up. Two patrol cars were available at the time they called a taxi. He said that the actions taken were not acceptable. He further said that women especially should be confident that the Police would respond when called.
He didn't want the public to lose faith in the 111 system.
Shame a woman died though.
The Police are already reacting to public concern over their safety. Temuka Police were called to an assault on a woman by a Magpie, they subdued the frenzied avian by wringing it's neck. Unfortunately it was a neighbours pet and flightless. I guess the locals were lucky that he didn't empty a Glock at it.

You got inside info or did I miss something? Haven't seen anything that indicates she is dead.

Shame the magpie died, black armbands all round and evrybody look sad :crybaby: - yeah, right!! Like pets ain't allowed to attack people? somebody better tell the pets :blah:

[spudchucka]

Oh Dear, the Northern Communications manager has come out and as good as admitted that they stuffed up. Two patrol cars were available at the time they called a taxi. He said that the actions taken were not acceptable. He further said that women especially should be confident that the Police would respond when called.
He didn't want the public to lose faith in the 111 system.
Shame a woman died though.
The Police are already reacting to public concern over their safety. Temuka Police were called to an assault on a woman by a Magpie, they subdued the frenzied avian by wringing it's neck. Unfortunately it was a neighbours pet and flightless. I guess the locals were lucky that he didn't empty a Glock at it.
Perhaps you watched the news in Russian because that not what he said on the news bulletin I saw.

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/1547.php


Police internal inquiry into 111 call by Iraena Asher
National News Release 3:00pm 18 October 2004
The Police internal inquiry into the 111 call made by Iraena Asher has been directed to establish what Police did in response to the call and why the decision was made to send a taxi.

The Manger of Northern Communications, Superintendent John Lyall and Superintendent Roger Carson, District Commander for North Shore/Waitakere/Rodney say this is an inquiry about judgement calls and not about Police resources.

Police reject any suggestion the call was not responded to due to staff being involved in road policing or the care and custody of remand prisoners. Two units were available for deployment at the time.

It would have taken a vehicle of any description more than thirty minutes to reach Piha by which stage Iraena Asher had left the address.

Police maintain there are times when taxis are sent in response to calls for transport help. Some people do call triple one when they break down or have been drinking and so a taxi is sent.

At Northern Communications 70 percent of calls do not fit the triple one category.

Superintendent Lyall says, "Staff at the centre are always told to err on the side of caution when making a judgment call and the inquiry being conducted will assess why the call was made to send a taxi."

How do you know she's dead, been near Piha lately?

[maybe]

I haven't read all of these but what I have read disgusts me, the police do the best they can with the information they have at the time, I don't know about you guys but I was not at the call centre when the call came in so I do not know what info they had.........My feelings go to the family & friends that do not know what has happened to there loved one.


And no I am not a Cop.

[2_SL0]

Cant be bothered replying to all this with a long winded point of view. So here is the short version. Under no circumstances should a Taxi be sent to a 111 call. The police are underfunded, understaffed, and in a difficult position. Your average front row officer is not the cause of the problem, infact I imagine they feel rather unhappy with the enviroment they work in. They no longer have the backup of their superiors. It has become (from my understanding) a dog eat dog enviroment to work in. The politics have got in the way of the job. The public has lost confidence and respect for the police force. This is fueled by the media who pick on all the negatives as well as sensationalizing the unimportant. I am not defending the police as I feel on average they are doing a poor job, (No I dont feel I could do better) BUT I dont feel it is the front row officers fault. HOWEVER, from the point of view of the average NZer, they appear to be dwelling on the minor things and not on the larger and more important items. (I am not saying this is true, just how it is perceived from the community) The media love it, to undermanned to send a officer to a 111 call, but able to pull Joe Bloggs over and issue a ticket for 111 kmh, (this is a example, If the officers here argue this point, then you have missed the point.) Because this is how IT is seen to the public and it is how it is pushed down are throats via the media and Politicians. Your house gets robbed in Auckland, do the police come out to inspect or investigate, Nope, no time. This is a sad fact that occurs more and more often.

I agree, If we dont like the way it is, we should try and change it. This would require people to get off their ass and do something. LMAO, this is NZ, we just dont do that. I do have one question for any of the officers here. " How come in NZ the law states you are required to wear a safetly helmet for riding a motorcycle. Yet for a certain gang members funeral, I noticed that the entire gang rode down the motorway in formation, without a single helmet on? No one was prosecuted for this ?
I will not go into the Road toll, speed ticket saga, as it is almost funny to discuss. I mean no disrespect by any of my statements, you may take them how you may. This is a subject that everyone how an opinion, and no one can ussually agree on. :yes:

[spudchucka]

I do have one question for any of the officers here. " How come in NZ the law states you are required to wear a safetly helmet for riding a motorcycle. Yet for a certain gang members funeral, I noticed that the entire gang rode down the motorway in formation, without a single helmet on? No one was prosecuted for this ?
There's a discrepancy allowed for funeral prosessions. I'll have a look for it if I get time and post it for your information.

[2_SL0]

LOLOL I luv it a discrepency. :killingme

[scumdog]

LOLOL I luv it a discrepency. :killingme

Used that one myself, the old ex-MOT guy at work nearly had a coniption when he saw me in the pack riding past!

Maybe in MOT days they didn't have 'discrepencies'? :blah:

[Kickaha]

Cant be bothered replying to all this with a long winded point of view. So here is the short version. Under no circumstances should a Taxi be sent to a 111 call.
:

Not even if it's someone pissed wanting a ride home?

As has been pointed out not all 111 calls are a genuine emergency and as yet no one has been able to tell us what that particular call was about.

[scumdog]

Quite a few 111 calls are from pissed night-clubbers who haven't got any time left on their cell-phone and the only number they can call without time is 111, - and that's what they call when they want??? yes, a taxi!! :blink:

[spudchucka]

I believe there is a report out tomorrow, hopefully the 111 call dialouge will be made public, then at least all this speculation will be over. Then again the media will probably only report the juicy parts and it will all be on again................round two.

[spudchucka]

LOLOL I luv it a discrepency. :killingme
Are you pissing yourself over my spelling or the fact that there is a "discrepency"?

[2_SL0]

I didnt look at your spelling dude, I cant spell to save my life. No it was more the fact the use of the word. :calm:

[spudchucka]

I didnt look at your spelling dude, I cant spell to save my life. No it was more the fact the use of the word. :calm:
Well you asked and thats the answer ;)

[2_SL0]

Quite a few 111 calls are from pissed night-clubbers who haven't got any time left on their cell-phone and the only number they can call without time is 111, - and that's what they call when they want??? yes, a taxi!! :blink:


In a perfect world, we should have a nice policeman to go and pick these sad sorry drunken people up AND LOCK EM AWAY for the night or two to teach them a lesson of what the 111 line is for. I dont doupt the call was thought of as just another noddy. But the problem remains doesnt it. IT developed into a missing person. Its a mistake, but its one that should really not of happened. Possibly a better calibre of person taking the calls and some training with regards to assessing the call? (Yes we may have to pay them more, I hear Tamihere has a couple of 100 grand tax free spare.) I dont have the answers and Im well aware of the difficulties. I recently heard there was two squad cars available in West Auckland to attend? :o

[marty]

where are all the 'never send a taxi to a 111 call' know-it-alls now?

[Stinger]

now it looks like it was a 13 year old that took the call from the police for the taxi company.

[magnum]

anyone watch tv3 last night??they recon that she called to say that she was being pressured to have sex with this guy who shed only known for 1 week and that she wanted to get the hell outa there.she was then told by police to go to the petrol station[3kms away]and wait.im not saying this is all true but tv3 is normally closer to the money than tv1.i hope for her and family that this is not true.

[magnum]

oh, and to the spelling police who love to point out our mistakes :moon:

[spudchucka]

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/1551.php


Police inquiry acknowledges patrol car should have been sent to Piha
National News Release 4:00pm 20 October 2004
An inquiry has been conducted and a report has been completed for review by the Police Complaints Authority into the triple one call made by Iraena Asher to Police.

Northern Communications Manager, Superintendent John Lyall and North Shore/Waitakere District Commander Roger Carson asked for the report to examine the actions Police staff took in response to the call from Iraena.

The report has found the final judgements and assessments which resulted in sending a taxi in response to her call was wrong in these circumstances.

The report which analyses the interactions of Iraena with Police and of internal discussions between Police staff indicates that Iraena's inwards call was handled in a highly professional way by the original call taker. Throughout the call Iraena made it clear she wanted assistance.

An event record of the call by Iraena was entered and presented and read by the dispatcher for the West Auckland area. He advised the Field Supervisor on duty at Waitakere Police Station and asked what action he wished to be taken. The Sergeant made a decision based on the information before him that Police would not attend but that a taxi should be called for Iraena.

The dispatcher was then tasked with calling Iraena back which he did. During this call it was agreed a taxi would be called and Iraena nominated two companies but decided on Discount Taxis. It was during this call Iraena also expressed fresh concerns about her position including a belief that she may have been given drugs. These concerns appear not to have been picked up on by the dispatcher who indicated he would call her back.

A short time later the dispatcher called the taxi company and then called Iraena back to advise her that the taxi was on the way. Iraena indicated concern that Police would not be attending and the dispatcher indicated that he would get the Sergeant to call her back.

The dispatcher called the Sergeant who reaffirmed his original view that Iraena was capable of leaving the address and seeking assistance. During that conversation the dispatcher used language that was inappropriate and disrespectful to Iraena.

The dispatcher then attempted to contact Iraena again, without success. The night shift dispatcher made further attempts to make contact, also without success. We now know Iraena had left the address and discarded the phone.

Superintendents Lyall and Carson say considering all the information Police had, a police patrol car should have been sent to Piha.

When Iraena called it took some time to establish whether it was an emergency or not. The conclusion of Police is that it was not an emergency but comments made by Iraena should have been triggers to the staff that a patrol car should still have been sent. Iraena told Police she was scared, this does not constitute an emergency but a car should have been sent.

"We are here not to offer excuses for the actions of our staff but rather an explanation. We are here to explain what happened, we have the report and the procedures are found to be deficient," say Superintendents Lyall and Carson.

A recommendation is being made to the Commissioner of Police that disciplinary action be taken regarding the conduct of some Police members involved in this incident.

Police continue their efforts to find Iraena and have apologised to the family for the initial handling of her call to Police.

Clearly this issue has exposed a deficiency in Police practice around arrangements of taxi services for callers to Police Communication Centres. As a result the Communication Centres have today been advised of interim changes to standard operating procedures to assist in the making of such decisions.

Issued by
Jayson Rhodes
Communications Manager
North Shore/Waitakere/Rodney Police
027 281 0271

Those who want to stick the knife in will no doubt indulge themselves with great delight.

Those who aren't on a crusade might see that this is evidence that police can analyse their own performance, identify deficiencies and take action to improve the situation.

[Lou Girardin]

My delusions proved to be reality, others illusions are not.
What a waste.

[pipeman]

OK then just let me get my big knife :ar15:
Lets talk about COSTS
2 COP CARS collecting speeders say about $5000.oo ?
against investigation and internal reports and inquirers say $50000.oo and rising
Politicial fall out and bullshit they have to go through say $100000.oo
cost of the search and man hours spend not to leave out volintares say $20000.oo
Not to forget all the stress and anguish by the family and friends


now whats the cost of sending a cop car? Don't no but it can't cost as much as that, can it.(please note these costs a just a guess)
But you no what it makes you guys (men in blue) look like "dicks A".
Now I've voice my appinion to my local MP about the mantate of the police and suggust all you good people do as well. Just because we come from a country of sheep does't mean we have to become one :grouphug:

[pipeman]

Those who want to stick the knife in will no doubt indulge themselves with great delight.

Those who aren't on a crusade might see that this is evidence that police can analyse their own performance, identify deficiencies and take action to improve the situation.[/QUOTE]



lets not work against each other but together and this country will a better place :yeah:

[jrandom]

What a waste.

Nah, she wasn't *that* good-looking.

[Paul in NZ]

Oh Please.... The Police have admitted they could have handled this better. Equipped with 20/20 hindsight, yes of course they could have! Had she not gone missing I'm sure you would have applauded them for saving tax payers money!

Life is full of risk. Ultimately, you must manage this risk yourself. If it goes pearshaped the Police and Fire brigades and Ambos are THE best people to help you! In this case, maybe, just maybe, they might have done more but we were not there that night!!!

But that's not the whole story is it...

What about the people that let an admittedly fragile person out in the first place?

What about her so called friends that let an upset person wander off into the night.

What about the people that gave her drugs (if it ever happened)

What about the medical people that didn't stop her from harming herself.

What about the patient that refused her meds?

What about the thousands of wankers that waste Police resources by crying wolf so a genuine call is handled this way.

What about the dickheads that can't drive that FORCE the Govt to insist the Police increase their enforcement of the road laws.

What about the arseholes that constantly pitch themselves against the Police even in forums like this? It just makes more work and a us and them situation. Believe it or not, it is partially to blame for stuff like this! If the Police had turned out, there was a bloody good chance she would denigh all knowledge and slag them off and cause a bloody bottle throwing riot!

It's crap to blame the Police for stopping an event at the END of a long chain of disasters and slip ups. They can only do so much once the die is cast.

How about you direct a bit of your vitriol towards the people that let the chain of events START to unfold. Oh? "How were they to know she would loose the plot?" Well bugger me, I guess they had a better chance of figuring that out than a poor Policeman that had never met her (and now will never be allowed to forget her)

'But she called for help" YES! So do hundreds every day! They can't catch them all. For every genuine call there are at least 3 that are not. I've heard people demanding to be taken home from the pub because youse bastards took my bloody license away so you have to take me home. And they won't take no for an answer!

This whole thing is a tragic chain of events. Stop just looking at the easy targets. Look at the whole thing, it's harder but it has to be done!

Paul N

Praysthey find her and she is Ok and I'm thinking of her loved ones who probably feel pretty low right now!

[Kickaha]

My delusions proved to be reality, others illusions are not.
What a waste.

And just as a matter on interest what are you personally doing to see this type of incident doesn't happen again?

Are you running for Parliment,lobbying your MP etc, or just going to carry on bleating in here?

[spudchucka]

How about you direct a bit of your vitriol towards the people that let the chain of events START to unfold. Oh? "How were they to know she would loose the plot?" Well bugger me, I guess they had a better chance of figuring that out than a poor Policeman that had never met her (and now will never be allowed to forget her)
Its because facing those facts doesn't make good news copy and because it wont fit into the barrow of any of the broken records that whine at any given opportunity.

[scumdog]

OK then just let me get my big knife :ar15:
Lets talk about COSTS
2 COP CARS collecting speeders say about $5000.oo ?
against investigation and internal reports and inquirers say $50000.oo and rising
Politicial fall out and bullshit they have to go through say $100000.oo
cost of the search and man hours spend not to leave out volintares say $20000.oo
Not to forget all the stress and anguish by the family and friends


now whats the cost of sending a cop car? Don't no but it can't cost as much as that, can it.(please note these costs a just a guess)
But you no what it makes you guys (men in blue) look like "dicks A".
Now I've voice my appinion to my local MP about the mantate of the police and suggust all you good people do as well. Just because we come from a country of sheep does't mean we have to become one :grouphug:

Woohoo! Go for it Einstien! I guess you''re crystal ball was a bit foggy that night or you would have been calling the cops with advice on what REALLY happened and how to deal with it, shame the rest of us only have 20-20 hindsight eh? oh, sorry, YOU also only have hindsight? well yeah, spout it off to enlighten all the rest of us, I'm sure it's just going to benefit the situation SO much! :angry:

[2_SL0]

I dont blame people individually, but you cannot defend this, a MISTAKE was made. A costly mistake, you must see that.
I feel you are foolish to be posting on a forum with regards to this as it appears no one here has the full facts, it will not gain anything here. This is a large blunder created by the police force obviously not intentional, yes hindsight is a wonderful thing. It however does not require hindsight to be aware that this was avoidable, if you feel differently you may wish to look closer at your roll you play in the community. I completely agree things should change people should push for change. Will that happin NOPE. Why because of people like yourselves as much as people like myself. WE are all to blame, do you think this is just a problem in NZ, lolol, NOPE. I refer to my previous statement with regards to more training and a higher standard of awareness. The people that answer the 111 calls are in some ways the FRONT line. They make the first judgement,
they are the first point of contact. This in reality would be a highly stressful job that would require a skilled person to handle. If that is not who is doing the job, there is the first mistake.
:spudwhat:

[pipeman]

hey scumdog nice home page for a law abiding citizen like yourself

[spudchucka]

I feel you are foolish to be posting on a forum with regards to this as it appears no one here has the full facts, it will not gain anything here.
"No one has the full facts". No shit sherlock! Get stuck into the f**kwits that start these BS, get stuck into the cops at any opportunity threads!


This is a large blunder created by the police force obviously not intentional, yes hindsight is a wonderful thing. It however does not require hindsight to be aware that this was avoidable, if you feel differently you may wish to look closer at your roll you play in the community.
A mistake was made but did the police create the situation in the first place? You seem to want the police to take responsibilty for her being there in the first place. The outcome may have been different if they had responded differently, then again it may not have. A lot can happen in the 30 minute drive out to Piha.


I completely agree things should change people should push for change. Will that happin NOPE.
In this case its already changing.


Why because of people like yourselves as much as people like myself. WE are all to blame, do you think this is just a problem in NZ, lolol, NOPE. I refer to my previous statement with regards to more training and a higher standard of awareness. The people that answer the 111 calls are in some ways the FRONT line. They make the first judgement,
they are the first point of contact. This in reality would be a highly stressful job that would require a skilled person to handle. If that is not who is doing the job, there is the first mistake.
The majority of staff in the comms centres are extremly well trained and very competant people. They are a mixture of sworn and non-sworn staff, they are all humans and subject to all the same faults that you are.

[2_SL0]

"No one has the full facts". No shit sherlock! Get stuck into the f**kwits that start these BS, get stuck into the cops at any opportunity threads!


A mistake was made but did the police create the situation in the first place? You seem to want the police to take responsibilty for her being there in the first place. The outcome may have been different if they had responded differently, then again it may not have. A lot can happen in the 30 minute drive out to Piha.


In this case its already changing.


The majority of staff in the comms centres are extremly well trained and very competant people. They are a mixture of sworn and non-sworn staff, they are all humans and subject to all the same faults that you are.

You flatter me, to be compared to such a great fictional character as Sherlock Holmes. I see myself in a slightly lesser light. But I will accept the compliment.
This is a forum, people love to argue and debate on forums. However as a police officer I would of felt it would be wiser for you to say less on the matter. Especially as not all the facts have been gathered. If you feel the people on here are f$@kW#ts why reply? Why care? You dont value their opinion so why offer yours?
The police need to take responsibility for their actions or lack of actions, that is all. With regards to the comms center, I refer to Martys orginal statement as to the type of person operating in that roll. If they are operated by a higher calibre of person, excellent, I still stand by my previous statement, funding and training is needed.
Police Officers operate in a difficult enviroment, I do no envy the job. But feel it could be done better, with more funding and better training.

[rodgerd]

A mistake was made but did the police create the situation in the first place? You seem to want the police to take responsibilty for her being there in the first place. The outcome may have been different if they had responded differently, then again it may not have.

This is no different to the shit teachers get (sorry, but if you can't be bothered putting any effort into your kids for the 18 hours a day they aren't at school, why should you expect their techers to not only tech them academic subjects, but manners, morals, and all the rest?), or CYPFS (if someone thinks beating the shit out of their kids is the way to raise them, they're the ones at fault when the kid ends up in intensive care...).

[Hitcher]

We may never know the "truth" in this case. Presuming that Ireana is dead, we won't know until the CSI team have done their work whether she was the victim of foul play, her own actions or just bad luck. In any of those circumstances we will never know whether the dispatching of a patrol car would have made a difference.

I applaud the Police's willingness to accept blame in this case. It shows after all that they are human.

[spudchucka]

Especially as not all the facts have been gathered.
Thats the point I've been making.


If you feel the people on here are f$@kW#ts why reply? Why care? You dont value their opinion so why offer yours?
There are very few that I'd put into that category, however there are a few stand out examples of true f**kwits.


The police need to take responsibility for their actions or lack of actions, that is all.
This is true of all people, not just police.


With regards to the comms center, I refer to Martys orginal statement as to the type of person operating in that roll. If they are operated by a higher calibre of person, excellent, I still stand by my previous statement, funding and training is needed.
I'm afraid you would have to have some experience in the level of training that is actually delivered before that opinion could possibly carry any weight.


Police Officers operate in a difficult enviroment, I do no envy the job. But feel it could be done better, with more funding and better training.
There is always room for improvement. Training is an ongoing issue and more funding is always beneficial. How much more are you prepared to pay in tax to fund the level of training that you think is appropriate?

[2_SL0]

Thats the point I've been making.


There are very few that I'd put into that category, however there are a few stand out examples of true f**kwits.


This is true of all people, not just police.


I'm afraid you would have to have some experience in the level of training that is actually delivered before that opinion could possibly carry any weight.


There is always room for improvement. Training is an ongoing issue and more funding is always beneficial. How much more are you prepared to pay in tax to fund the level of training that you think is appropriate?


I completly agree, people should take responsibilty for there actions, but when
they request help to that level, it should be given. I keep saying the same thing over and over and over and over again.
I feel we agree, a mistake was made? A costly mistake? More training and funding would never go amiss? Though how you place judgement on my knowledge of the inner workings of the comm center I do find puzzling. But then maybe that is how the whole problem has arisen. Someone like yourself (I mean no disrespect) made a rash (wrong) decision with regards to a certain 111 call. Treating it with less importance than was required, and sent a taxi instead of a squad car. Thank you for shedding more light on the matter.
Regarding the tax system and the amount I pay, maybe you could enlighten me on how much more I should pay? feel I would be happy o pay more if you I could see a benefit to paying more. I would like to see a better tax system. One that benefits both the wealthy and the poor. I would like to see a system that uses the tax funds more appropriately.
:spudwave:

[Lou Girardin]

Would the forum cops and their fellow travellers give us a break, the horse is dead, stop flogging it. Your bosses have admitted the stuff up, why don't you? Instead of all this 'what if' bullshit.
The facts are clear, if the cops had sent a car when first called they would have been in Piha at 2130 and she was alive then. The only unknown issue is whether they would have found her. It seems likely that they would have, seeing that she was walking on the main road. Resources, etc are all red herrings. They had the resources, shame they didn't have the judgement to use them.
There is a huge difference between a drunk wanting a ride because he lost his licence and a woman in fear of sexual assault.
And Mr Chucker, why don't you read a reply, take the salient points and formulate a reply as if you're debating with someone. These continual quotes of every paragraph make it seem that you're giving evidence.
You're not in court now Officer Chucker.

[Hitcher]

I would like to see a better tax system. One that benefits both the wealthy and the poor. I would like to see a system that uses the tax funds more appropriately.
Simple. Vote for a party that advocates a flat tax rate and less government in people's lives.

[rodgerd]

There is always room for improvement. Training is an ongoing issue and more funding is always beneficial. How much more are you prepared to pay in tax to fund the level of training that you think is appropriate?

The amount of training the police get is, from my understanding, pretty pathetic compare to, say, nurses. I certainly wouldn't mind a bit of the tax surplus being spent on putting the boys in blue through better training at the start of their career, as well as a good course in ongoing refreshers (think of all the cases that wouldn't go south due to proceedural mistakes...)

[2_SL0]

Simple. Vote for a party that advocates a flat tax rate and less government in people's lives.

Agreed, agreed, agreed.

[marty]

all this reminds me of a situation that we had at work not too long ago. i'll call her *mary*. my section (and others) had daily dealings with a girl who was bi-polar, and tried to kill herself, usually by cutting her wrists, on a weekly basis. she would get ambo'd up to a&e, stitched up, and left to walk home. often the hos[pital would call us to pick her up, but she would run off before we got there. mental health wouldn't take her as she was 'supposed' to be on meds, and if she didn't take them she couldn't be forced to.
after about 6 months of these games, ambos and police started to ignore her, or at least decline to go to her address, or to the phone box where she was calling 111 saying she was going to kill herself. this was because on our arrival, often after breaking away from another job, she wouldn't be there - we would find her hiding in the bushes nearby, usually bleeding from where she had picked the previous day's stitches out. she would always spit at us and fight with us, saying that her death would be on our conscience, and demanding us to take her to a&e. we'd take her there - she'd run off, trailling blood after her. she would always call 111, and tie up cops and call takers for hours with her games. as the police were the bottom of the food chain, we always ended up dealing with her, as she would become publicly disordlerly if she was ignored. we couldn't keep her in the cells, as she wasn't really committing criminal offences, and being suicidal is a significant precurser for not being held in police custody, unless remanded by a judge. then one day we arrived at her address, to find her sitting in a chair in the lounge. she knew all the guys and girls by name. we walked into the room, she had a kitchen knife stabbed in her stomach - about 5 cms in. she said 'watch this', and pushed in in all the way to the hilt. holy fuck it was impressive to say the least. naturally we rushed her up to a&e, they stiched her up, they rung us to take her home as when she woke up she was going off, but by the time we got there she had run off. we found her later that night 1/2 dead in bushes, having picked her stiches out, and trying to pull her intestines out. back to a&e..........you get the picture. mental health still not able to take her, due to the constraints on them by the mental health act. she then found that carbon monoxide poisoning was fun to try. now CO is dangerous. it attaches to haemoglobin, and prevents O2 from being absorbed. it's effects are cumulative, and it is a silent killer. over a period of about a month she would call 111 from inside her car, telling us that she was going to gas herself. we would go out, pull her out of the car (which was running on occasion), take her up to the hospital. mental health wouldn't touch her, as she was 'only' suicidal, and with CO poisoning she needed decompressing in the navy chamber at devonport before they would assess her anyway. then one night her friend called us, and said that had been talking to *mary* and that *mary* told her that she was going to gas herself. her friend didn't know where she was. with a grain of salt we looked for *mary* however we couldn't find her. unsurprisingly she turned up at her flat about an hour later. we talked to her - she told us to fuck off. during the night though, in her sleep, she died. the pm showed from cumulative CO poisoning.

guess who got the blame for *mary's* death - their house firebombed, driveway/cars tagged, death threats?

[Coyote]

all this reminds me of a situation that we had at work not too long ago. i'll call her *mary*. my section (and others) had daily dealings with a girl who was bi-polar, and tried to kill herself, usually by cutting her wrists, on a weekly basis. she would get ambo'd up to a&e, stitched up, and left to walk home. often the hos[pital would call us to pick her up, but she would run off before we got there. mental health wouldn't take her as she was 'supposed' to be on meds, and if she didn't take them she couldn't be forced to.
after about 6 months of these games, ambos and police started to ignore her, or at least decline to go to her address, or to the phone box where she was calling 111 saying she was going to kill herself. this was because on our arrival, often after breaking away from another job, she wouldn't be there - we would find her hiding in the bushes nearby, usually bleeding from where she had picked the previous day's stitches out. she would always spit at us and fight with us, saying that her death would be on our conscience, and demanding us to take her to a&e. we'd take her there - she'd run off, trailling blood after her. she would always call 111, and tie up cops and call takers for hours with her games. as the police were the bottom of the food chain, we always ended up dealing with her, as she would become publicly disordlerly if she was ignored. we couldn't keep her in the cells, as she wasn't really committing criminal offences, and being suicidal is a significant precurser for not being held in police custody, unless remanded by a judge. then one day we arrived at her address, to find her sitting in a chair in the lounge. she knew all the guys and girls by name. we walked into the room, she had a kitchen knife stabbed in her stomach - about 5 cms in. she said 'watch this', and pushed in in all the way to the hilt. holy fuck it was impressive to say the least. naturally we rushed her up to a&e, they stiched her up, they rung us to take her home as when she woke up she was going off, but by the time we got there she had run off. we found her later that night 1/2 dead in bushes, having picked her stiches out, and trying to pull her intestines out. back to a&e..........you get the picture. mental health still not able to take her, due to the constraints on them by the mental health act. she then found that carbon monoxide poisoning was fun to try. now CO is dangerous. it attaches to haemoglobin, and prevents O2 from being absorbed. it's effects are cumulative, and it is a silent killer. over a period of about a month she would call 111 from inside her car, telling us that she was going to gas herself. we would go out, pull her out of the car (which was running on occasion), take her up to the hospital. mental health wouldn't touch her, as she was 'only' suicidal, and with CO poisoning she needed decompressing in the navy chamber at devonport before they would assess her anyway. then one night her friend called us, and said that had been talking to *mary* and that *mary* told her that she was going to gas herself. her friend didn't know where she was. with a grain of salt we looked for *mary* however we couldn't find her. unsurprisingly she turned up at her flat about an hour later. we talked to her - she told us to fuck off. during the night though, in her sleep, she died. the pm showed from cumulative CO poisoning.

guess who got the blame for *mary's* death - their house firebombed, driveway/cars tagged, death threats?

...Whoa...

[badlieutenant]

We no longer have a mental health system in NZ worth calling it such. My mate at work helped a cop recently pull a "mary" back over the rail of the greenlane bridge so she couldnt land in front of the train. She does it all the time. The driver looked freaked out apparently.

[Teflon]

all this reminds me of a situation that we had at work not too long ago. i'll call her *mary*. my section (and others) had daily dealings with a girl who was bi-polar, and tried to kill herself, usually by cutting her wrists, on a weekly basis. she would get ambo'd up to a&e, stitched up, and left to walk home. often the hos[pital would call us to pick her up, but she would run off before we got there. mental health wouldn't take her as she was 'supposed' to be on meds, and if she didn't take them she couldn't be forced to.
after about 6 months of these games, ambos and police started to ignore her, or at least decline to go to her address, or to the phone box where she was calling 111 saying she was going to kill herself. this was because on our arrival, often after breaking away from another job, she wouldn't be there - we would find her hiding in the bushes nearby, usually bleeding from where she had picked the previous day's stitches out. she would always spit at us and fight with us, saying that her death would be on our conscience, and demanding us to take her to a&e. we'd take her there - she'd run off, trailling blood after her. she would always call 111, and tie up cops and call takers for hours with her games. as the police were the bottom of the food chain, we always ended up dealing with her, as she would become publicly disordlerly if she was ignored. we couldn't keep her in the cells, as she wasn't really committing criminal offences, and being suicidal is a significant precurser for not being held in police custody, unless remanded by a judge. then one day we arrived at her address, to find her sitting in a chair in the lounge. she knew all the guys and girls by name. we walked into the room, she had a kitchen knife stabbed in her stomach - about 5 cms in. she said 'watch this', and pushed in in all the way to the hilt. holy fuck it was impressive to say the least. naturally we rushed her up to a&e, they stiched her up, they rung us to take her home as when she woke up she was going off, but by the time we got there she had run off. we found her later that night 1/2 dead in bushes, having picked her stiches out, and trying to pull her intestines out. back to a&e..........you get the picture. mental health still not able to take her, due to the constraints on them by the mental health act. she then found that carbon monoxide poisoning was fun to try. now CO is dangerous. it attaches to haemoglobin, and prevents O2 from being absorbed. it's effects are cumulative, and it is a silent killer. over a period of about a month she would call 111 from inside her car, telling us that she was going to gas herself. we would go out, pull her out of the car (which was running on occasion), take her up to the hospital. mental health wouldn't touch her, as she was 'only' suicidal, and with CO poisoning she needed decompressing in the navy chamber at devonport before they would assess her anyway. then one night her friend called us, and said that had been talking to *mary* and that *mary* told her that she was going to gas herself. her friend didn't know where she was. with a grain of salt we looked for *mary* however we couldn't find her. unsurprisingly she turned up at her flat about an hour later. we talked to her - she told us to fuck off. during the night though, in her sleep, she died. the pm showed from cumulative CO poisoning.

guess who got the blame for *mary's* death - their house firebombed, driveway/cars tagged, death threats?

All i can say is, glad shes dead. When these retards waste police time, innocent people pay with their lifes.

[Fins]

You know it wouldn't be so bad if the law made mistakes over parking fines and tickets, but as we all know if theres a dollar in it, they will go to the ends of the earth, over come time spans, forget excuses, arrest you as you arrive in the country, publish names in the papers.
But ned help?
Hell its not our fault she just slipped through the cracks, but not our wise cracks!

[scumdog]

hey scumdog nice home page for a law abiding citizen like yourself

Bit of a wild guess that I'm law-abiding, pipeman, - what on my home page is 'nice'?

[scumdog]

You know it wouldn't be so bad if the law made mistakes over parking fines and tickets, but as we all know if theres a dollar in it, they will go to the ends of the earth, over come time spans, forget excuses, arrest you as you arrive in the country, publish names in the papers.
But ned help?
Hell its not our fault she just slipped through the cracks, but not our wise cracks!

Oh but they DO make mistakes with tickets, - they give them to 'innocent' people!! :innocent:

[2_SL0]

I had to check your site, that is funny dude.

[pipeman]

Bit of a wild guess that I'm law-abiding, pipeman, - what on my home page is 'nice'?


Hmmm just another preverted soul getting thrills from other peoples misfortunes just hope you have a clean batton mate wouldn't want to see you in the head lines. :bash:

[scumdog]

Hmmm just another preverted soul getting thrills from other peoples misfortunes just hope you have a clean batton mate wouldn't want to see you in the head lines. :bash:

Is this a really bad troll or what?

Sounds like you really know me? - NOT!! I'd be surprised if you could find somebody that has actually met me that would say "yep, that's scumdog to a 'T'".

I've been in the headlines, oh, - of course you know that already seeing as how you seem to know me so well!! Have a nice day
:msn-wink:

[jrandom]

Bit of a wild guess that I'm law-abiding, pipeman, - what on my home page is 'nice'?

Well, I was impressed by "That complacent free mature galleries animatedly splashed amongst some facetious mastodon."

You've been running Markov chain algorithms on wildlife photography websites, right? :p

[pipeman]

NO NO NO PEOPLE
The thing that pisses me off is that when they find a problem the answer to throw money at it?????? WHY WHY I ASK IT'S NOT THE ANSWER :ar15: :sick: :doh:
FOCUSS PEOPLE FOCUSS I SAY
Throw money at it "what"? Lets talk about MANDATE. Whats its about and focuss on how we use our tools (MEN IN BLUE) shouldn't be run like a buisness but "should I say it, well ok" SERVE AND PROTECT. These are mere civil servants and we should have our say on how we won't them to work for us the tax payer. Now I no alot of police won't like this because they think they're above the law and can't get off there high horse to see this. (just wait for the abuse to come) Focuss people go and see you MP and tell them. It might take sometime but the message will get through avengal.

[Blakamin]

NO NO NO PEOPLE
The thing that pisses me off is that when they find a problem the answer to throw money at it?????? WHY WHY I ASK IT'S NOT THE ANSWER :ar15: :sick: :doh:
FOCUSS PEOPLE FOCUSS I SAY
Throw money at it "what"? Lets talk about MANDATE. Whats its about and focuss on how we use our tools (MEN IN BLUE) shouldn't be run like a buisness but "should I say it, well ok" SERVE AND PROTECT. These are mere civil servants and we should have our say on how we won't them to work for us the tax payer. Now I no alot of police won't like this because they think they're above the law and can't get off there high horse to see this. (just wait for the abuse to come) Focuss people go and see you MP and tell them. It might take sometime but the message will get through avengal.
Jeez mate.... civil servants, serve and protect???? do you live in the real world??? they do a job. do YOU do a job? FFS, we are humans... humans fuck up...
"mere civil servants" are the ones in the beehive mate!... helen clarke... MPs... do you bitch at them for not getting it right (better spell check "right")?
who do you write to? obviously not the fuckin MPs, aye? better check how much they're getting paid now! give it a break and go out and try to do the job yourself...

[pipeman]

Jeez mate.... civil servants, serve and protect???? do you live in the real world??? they do a job. do YOU do a job? FFS, we are humans... humans fuck up...
"mere civil servants" are the ones in the beehive mate!... helen clarke... MPs... do you bitch at them for not getting it right (better spell check "right")?
who do you write to? obviously not the fuckin MPs, aye? better check how much they're getting paid now! give it a break and go out and try to do the job yourself...
Sorry just sick of all the bulling you have to go through to make a point it's like the hole world on my sholders if people could have understand what the first post was about would't have to put up with this dripping shit signed HEAD STRONG.

[jrandom]

"mere civil servants" are the ones in the beehive mate!

I have never, personally, considered elected officials to be 'civil servants'. I'm not sure whether that's accurate, or whether it's a fallacy borne of too many Yes, Minister episodes.

[Blakamin]

I have never, personally, considered elected officials to be 'civil servants'. I'm not sure whether that's accurate, or whether it's a fallacy borne of too many Yes, Minister episodes.
Would like to agree... but how many actual ministers work in there and how many press liasons.... etc...
I consder them civil servants as thats what my old man told me when he worked there... ministers are elected, not for what they are doin tho. they are elected to push for certain things in their elected areas.... how come they also end up being an education minister, f'rinstance? they are also paid by the tax payer... if thats the criteria.......... :wacko:

[spudchucka]

Though how you place judgement on my knowledge of the inner workings of the comm center I do find puzzling.
All I'm saying is that in order to have a strong opinion on a subject and for that opinion to carry any weight, then you must possess some intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the particular "thing" that your opinion relates to. Otherwise your opinion is worthless, (not having a dig at you specifically because I don't know what your experience with these matters is. If you have some then go ahead and explain).

Make sense?

[spudchucka]

And Mr Chucker, why don't you read a reply, take the salient points and formulate a reply as if you're debating with someone. These continual quotes of every paragraph make it seem that you're giving evidence.
You're not in court now Officer Chucker.
Because this isn't a conversation or a live debate, its an internet forum and I'll reply any way that I bloody well like. And quite frankly if it pisses you off then I'm going to keep doing it. :finger: :finger: :finger:

[spudchucka]

The amount of training the police get is, from my understanding, pretty pathetic compare to, say, nurses. I certainly wouldn't mind a bit of the tax surplus being spent on putting the boys in blue through better training at the start of their career, as well as a good course in ongoing refreshers (think of all the cases that wouldn't go south due to proceedural mistakes...)
OK, what is your understanding of police training? What is your opinion based on?

[spudchucka]

all this reminds me of a situation that we had at work not too long ago. i'll call her *mary*.
Most cops have dealt with something like Mary at some stage in their careers. I've had personal experience with a bi-polar woman that gave me a very good understanding of where the saying "all over the place like a mad womens s**t" came from.

The govt approach to mental health is unbelievable.

[pipeman]

OK, what is your understanding of police training? What is your opinion based on?
I agree with rodgerd pre training on being human and so robocop
It would be so nice to be able to talk to a policeman like another human.

[scumdog]

The amount of training the police get is, from my understanding, pretty pathetic compare to, say, nurses. I certainly wouldn't mind a bit of the tax surplus being spent on putting the boys in blue through better training at the start of their career, as well as a good course in ongoing refreshers (think of all the cases that wouldn't go south due to proceedural mistakes...)

rodgerd, your understanding of Police training is pretty much spot on, the sad facts are: the public expect a Rolls Royce performance with a Morris Minor training budget!! (apologies to M-M owners) :disapint:

[spudchucka]

I agree with rodgerd pre training on being human and so robocop
It would be so nice to be able to talk to a policeman like another human.
You'd have to qualify as a human first.

[scumdog]

I agree with rodgerd pre training on being human and so robocop
It would be so nice to be able to talk to a policeman like another human. F..ck it pipeman, just go to any bike rally I am attending and you WILL be able to talk to a Policeman like another human being, after all we ARE human beings!!
Meet me on the road and you will find the same!! and I will be a little more sober too! :ride:

[pipeman]

Sound like we should run a poll what you rekco oh sorry reckon?

[pipeman]

Need someone neutral to do it though

[pipeman]

Someone please step up and be the ginnypig anyone :Pokey:

[scumdog]

Someone please step up and be the ginnypig anyone :Pokey:
What's a 'ginnypig', are you taking the piss out of cops again eh?
:Police:

[badlieutenant]

What's a 'ginnypig', are you taking the piss out of cops again eh?
:Police:
ROFL. that made me laugh soo hard, is that an alcoholic domestic animal ? :shifty: what the hell are you packing there pipma.......oh :D

[scumdog]

ROFL. that made me laugh soo hard, is that an alcoholic domestic animal ? :shifty: what the hell are you packing there pipma.......oh :D

If you can figure it out then you're ahead of pipeman and myself!!

[2_SL0]

Spud, Im sure your a perfectly nice chap in real life, but unfortunalty in here (at least to me ) your opinions and thoughts come across very strong and arrogant.
I donot know you from a bar of soap. You seem to answer with passion and almost anger. Directed at anyone who dares question your opinion, this is a shame I believe that it is not how you intend for your answers to look. I have never said I had the answers I just feel things could be done alot better. Too many mistakes keep popping up in the news etc. I pay little attention as I find they are just been sensationalised. But I feel of a lot of people do pay attention. Which gives the guys in blue a bad rep. As for your comments regarding my knowledge of the comms center, well it appeared to be directed entirely at me, I just found it strange as you dont know me from a bar of soap either. Well Im going back to enjoying the more main stream topics of BIKES, I have said all I have to say on the matter in here, we are just going in circles. :bye:

[T.I.E]

someone is probably dead. the police comms stuffed up. :confused2

police choose to do that job. it is their choice to do so. it is apart of their job to pick up pieces, otherwise don't do it. it's simple. you don't like it get out. so stop acting like heros. you have a choice.

but i'm glad that they are there, and someone has too do it as i am not doing it. if it wasn't for you then who would. thanks guys. :niceone:

i have read all the replys, and we all are hurting. and it sucks. such a simple mistake. and it's wrong. :angry2:

as public have we been out to have a look for her? lets help, there are so many of us.

don't have to help the police, but lets help the family.

i am a member of the public.

[rodgerd]

OK, what is your understanding of police training? What is your opinion based on?

Knowing a few people who've gone through/are going through police college. It seems like a fairly short course, considering policehave to have skills in self defence, conducting interviews, procedure, law, first aid...

[Hoon]

I'm with Spud on this one. However one thing I've learnt is that arguing on the internet is a waste of time.
I probably share the same views as many others that remain silent but my opinion is that the Police did nothing wrong, sure they might have fucked up the 111 call but I would've done the same thing in their situation. If a drunk dials 111 for a lift home, gets told to piss off and then gets killed later hitching along the motorway are the cops really to blame??

No disrespect but it sounds like Asher had a few screws loose. She had it made when that couple took her in but she took off instead. Any competent person can find their way to safety with a cellphone but she managed to lose this, most her clothes and her marbles along the way.

The Police can't be held responsible for this and I would hate to see a precedence set where cops are obliged to send a Police car to every stranded drunk that dials 111. How is that going it improve burglary and car break-in response times that many of you complain about?? Sure the Police must accept some blame but so should many others like Asher herself, the guy that took her to Piha, the health system, the Taxi dispatcher and the taxi driver. If ANY one of those failures were prevented then this situation wouldn't have arisen in the first place.

Well thats my opinion anyway........

[Blakamin]

I'm with Spud on this one. However one thing I've learnt is that arguing on the internet is a waste of time.
I probably share the same views as many others that remain silent but my opinion is that the Police did nothing wrong, sure they might have fucked up the 111 call but I would've done the same thing in their situation. If a drunk dials 111 for a lift home, gets told to piss off and then gets killed later hitching along the motorway are the cops really to blame??

No disrespect but it sounds like Asher had a few screws loose. She had it made when that couple took her in but she took off instead. Any competent person can find their way to safety with a cellphone but she managed to lose this, most her clothes and her marbles along the way.

The Police can't be held responsible for this and I would hate to see a precedence set where cops are obliged to send a Police car to every stranded drunk that dials 111. How is that going it improve burglary and car break-in response times that many of you complain about?? Sure the Police must accept some blame but so should many others like Asher herself, the guy that took her to Piha, the health system, the Taxi dispatcher and the taxi driver. If ANY one of those failures were prevented then this situation wouldn't have arisen in the first place.

Well thats my opinion anyway........


What he said^^^^ :2thumbsup

[Kickaha]

Too many mistakes keep popping up in the news etc. I pay little attention as I find they are just been sensationalised. But I feel of a lot of people do pay attention. Which gives the guys in blue a bad rep.

Thats because they only publish the mistakes that will see the newspapers sell a few more copies and good news isn't as interesting and is more forgettable.

Every time something goes wrong the police can be nailed for it's open slather on them,but where are all these people saying what a top job the police are doing when they bust a crime ring or intercept a big drug shipment why are they all so silent?

[marty]

All i can say is, glad shes dead. When these retards waste police time, innocent people pay with their lifes.
so what you're saying is....if Ms Asher was a bi polar police resource-wasting retard it would be ok that the police called her a taxi?

[marty]

how do we know that she wasn't? lou probably does....

[spudchucka]

Spud, Im sure your a perfectly nice chap in real life, but unfortunalty in here (at least to me ) your opinions and thoughts come across very strong and arrogant.
I donot know you from a bar of soap. You seem to answer with passion and almost anger. Directed at anyone who dares question your opinion, this is a shame I believe that it is not how you intend for your answers to look. I have never said I had the answers I just feel things could be done alot better. Too many mistakes keep popping up in the news etc. I pay little attention as I find they are just been sensationalised. But I feel of a lot of people do pay attention. Which gives the guys in blue a bad rep. As for your comments regarding my knowledge of the comms center, well it appeared to be directed entirely at me, I just found it strange as you dont know me from a bar of soap either. Well Im going back to enjoying the more main stream topics of BIKES, I have said all I have to say on the matter in here, we are just going in circles. :bye:
If being blunt and to the point is arrogant then I'm guilty as charged. I'm not angry but if people want to express a strong opinion on something then I'll ask how they can qualify that opinion. If you have some relevant experience in the are then your opinion may be justified. If your opinion is based on the latest 6 o'clock news or 20/20 report and you have no actual experience yourself then I'm afraid your opinion isn't worth as much as it would be if you could show first hand experience that backed up your opinion. If you have first hand experience with police comms centres I'd like to know what it is.

As for the topic not being about bikes, I've said it before so I'll say it again, it isn't me that keeps starting these "lets all handg shit on the cops" threads so don't blame me if you are sick of reading them. However as long as the likes of Lou keep starting this shit I'll keep making people aware of the alternative view point. Don't like, don't read it.

[spudchucka]

Knowing a few people who've gone through/are going through police college. It seems like a fairly short course, considering policehave to have skills in self defence, conducting interviews, procedure, law, first aid...
The recruit course does not make you a competant constable, it gives you enough training and knowledge that you can carry out most basic functions of a constable without risking the safety of your workmates and the public. Graduates are probationary constables and they have to complete a large number of workplace assessments and university study before they gain their permanent appointment. This is usually expected to take another two years to complete. Talk to most cops and they will say they learnt more in their first few weeks on the street than they did in the entire time they spent at the police college. The recruit course teaches you the basics and prepares you for the real learning that starts once you graduate.

[marty]

college is as good for preparing cops for the street as university is for preparing lawyers for court, nurses for hospital, managers for the real world. it's just another training establishment trying to impart as much knowledge in the shortest possible time. that's why there is continuing university studies (used to be 20 internal modules with 80% pass), and a 2-year probation post college

[rodgerd]

college is as good for preparing cops for the street as university is for preparing lawyers for court, nurses for hospital, managers for the real world. it's just another training establishment trying to impart as much knowledge in the shortest possible time. that's why there is continuing university studies (used to be 20 internal modules with 80% pass), and a 2-year probation post college

What's the ongoing training like these days, in terms of keeping up with law/procedure/best practise changes?

[The One]

What's the ongoing training like these days, in terms of keeping up with law/procedure/best practise changes?

Fuck en hell, and some of you guys call me a dork, looks like pipeman and lou takes the cake in this thread.

My opinion, her friends should be held responsible, police did the right thing by sending a taxi. Lots of fuckwits ring 111 say they are in trouble, just to get a lift home. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing, the police could save the whole world with hindsight.

All the cops here enjoy the job else they wouldn't be doing it. And it they aren't maybe its time to move on.

All the police slaggers get fucked, who's the first person you ring when you are in trouble.

Have a nice day.

[pipeman]

Lots of fuckwits ring 111 say they are in trouble, just to get a lift home.


Why take them home? I no where I'dd take them and then their might not be so many fuckwits around A.

[The One]

Lots of fuckwits ring 111 say they are in trouble, just to get a lift home.


Why take them home? I no where I'dd take them and then their might not be so many fuckwits around A.

Never said they got a lift home numbnuts, but dats wot they ring up for. That and other shit.

[spudchucka]

What's the ongoing training like these days, in terms of keeping up with law/procedure/best practise changes?
Law, procedure & best practice changes are published internally. When major changes occur a training package is usually delivered to ensure all staff are up to date. Case law that impacts on police procedure and practice is also published regularly.

[pipeman]

Never said they got a lift home numbnuts, but dats wot they ring up for. That and other shit.
No not num just empty all the time case of having a bueatiful and loving women. Oh I guess you proberly wouldn't know what I'm talking about you having that problem and all. Oh well never mind I guess one day someone will tell you about it. Chin up bro it's not that bad :baby:

[Lou Girardin]

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/1551.php

Those who aren't on a crusade might see that this is evidence that police can analyse their own performance, identify deficiencies and take action to improve the situation.

The Police have analysed their performance, identified defiencies and suspended the comms centre worker who released the call log to the media, pending her possible dismissal.
This is not a witch hunt according to Police, it is to safeguard the privacy of the 111 system.
Monty Python is alive and well and performing at Police Headquarters.

[NZIrish]

:shake: You arseholes who are condeming the Police for bad practice or what the feck, while you are sleeping soundly tonight who is out there preventing, yes preventing some arsehole from climbing in your window and raping ya missus, if you can do any better... shit for brains, why don't you join up..!! You know why dont you dont? because it's a bit like joining the army except you are in fact going to war....and you are scared of that one aren't ya? Oh yes you are..admit it you peice of shit of my shoe... You dont want to be carrying a dead decaying 80 year old out of her flat after the neighbour noticed the strange smell coming from next door, or try to save some screaming teenager from her burning car next to her decaptitated boyfriend, or look down on a couch at that dead 4 year old who has been thrown around the house by the mothers 18yr old boyfriend, or fight the gang members who has just kicked his missus head in with steelcaps, or pick up the old lags who spew their guts out of your patrol car window, or break up that violent domestic where the couple look like ya fecken parents...you people who point the finger at the 2004 Police, are the types who would walk by while some poor bitch gets raped in central Auckland or Wellington!
It aint perfect but jesus where would we be without them......
'Nora Crawford 101 Wing', first of the second 100!.

[NZIrish]

In the job.

Part of the course guys, get any of these experts condeming the Police in the car for a few nights and they will be wanting their mommy to cuddle them good and quick..or take em' down the morg and let them wash that decaying bloating body thats been in the sea for three weeks, now that would be a goodie, or throw them at some of the gang members who have just been released and say 'he's keen, go for it bro' and see him scream...basically it's the old story, unless thy've been there, they have no fecken idea&*^^&$#&% Jesus Christ people get a grip, you have know idea what it's like, or you 'believe' what you read in the paper, see on telly and make up in ya own minds! And what do you do aye..WELL IF YOU HAVE GOT THE FUCKEN BALLS TO DO IT THEN WHY AREN'T YA, RATHER THAN CRITICISING OUR BOYS...WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING TO TRY AND HELP AYE...FUCK ALL THATS WHAT.....AND YA KNOW IT.

[scumdog]

Easy, easy NZIrish! MOST of those on this site are pretty pro, those that aren't don't count. :calm:
It's a shit of a job at times but hey, the other way of looking at it is that we 'signed-up' for it. (Still doesn't alter the fact that a lot of people couldn't/wouldn't do it for all the tea in China) :blah:

[marty]

on ya irish - an escapee from wing 122....

[2_SL0]

In the job.

Part of the course guys, get any of these experts condeming the Police in the car for a few nights and they will be wanting their mommy to cuddle them good and quick..or take em' down the morg and let them wash that decaying bloating body thats been in the sea for three weeks, now that would be a goodie, or throw them at some of the gang members who have just been released and say 'he's keen, go for it bro' and see him scream...basically it's the old story, unless thy've been there, they have no fecken idea&*^^&$#&% Jesus Christ people get a grip, you have know idea what it's like, or you 'believe' what you read in the paper, see on telly and make up in ya own minds! And what do you do aye..WELL IF YOU HAVE GOT THE FUCKEN BALLS TO DO IT THEN WHY AREN'T YA, RATHER THAN CRITICISING OUR BOYS...WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING TO TRY AND HELP AYE...FUCK ALL THATS WHAT.....AND YA KNOW IT.

LMAO :not:
:bye:

[spudchucka]

Thanks for the support NZIrish. As far as I'm concerned Lou and his kind are the most worthless pieces of shit that make up our society. They do all the moaning, have none of the answers, do nothing positive to fix the problems they whine about, expect others to clean up after them and then bitch that the service wasn't to their expectations.

Quite frankly I've stopped concerning myself with Lou's anti police ravings, simply because he has proven himself to be a person whose opinion is worthless.

[inlinefour]

Watching the news tonight on telly saw that young women at piha had made a 111 call to get asitance and you now what the police did
:wacko: SEND A TAXI :wacko:
all i can say is i'm very sadden by this what do these police stand for i believe it's not the good of us normal people but the money driven benifits that has been employed by our politions.
TO SERVE AND PROTECT
my heart goes out to the family of this young women on whitch i can see could have been diverted
:angry2:
:brick: And the wankers want to be taken seriously??? :argh:
They often have a shite attitude :argh: mixed with nil brain. And the arseholes want guns??? :2guns: :devil2:

[Sniper]

:brick: And the wankers want to be taken seriously??? :argh:
They often have a shite attitude :argh: mixed with nil brain. And the arseholes want guns??? :2guns: :devil2:

I see you are starting to make sense Honda. Yea I feel bad for those guys in a dire emergency. How would you feel, just had an accident and you are lying there ringing 11 and you hear, "Sorry, all of our taxis are currently busy, you are client 12 in line, please hold"

I recon those bastards need a swift :kick:

[spudchucka]

:brick: And the wankers want to be taken seriously??? :argh:
They often have a shite attitude :argh: mixed with nil brain. And the arseholes want guns??? :2guns: :devil2:
We already have guns, I want a flame thrower!

[NC]

We already have guns, I want a flame thrower!

Something that shoots napalm would also be highly entertaining :devil2:

[marty]

i would have been happy with MORE guns. especially a nice 9 shot pump action. and a shitty old XF falcon with fuck off bullbars. and one of those back packs of pepper spray. none of this having to get a new can every night of swing shift.....