Goodbye Hubbard

[Finn]

Jumping for joy over here for 2 reasons. Firstly, this cretin is out and more importantly, it's a win for the Centre Right. Lefties take note, we've had enough of your bullshit, lies, incompetence and corruption.

Go get em Banksy!

[Bren]

So is John Banks the mayor of Auck now?

Looks like Bob Parker is the mayor down here now.....The money or the bag?????

[Finn]

So is John Banks the mayor of Auck now?

That is correct Sir.

[Maha]

That is correct Sir.

Ya know if you rearrange the letters to Election Results you get....Lies-Lets Recount....:shifty:

[Mully]

Old Banksy huh?

Anyone know who won Waitakere?? (Please not fricken Harvey again)

[Magua]

Banks fucked it up the first time around, why the hell people would vote him in again is beyond me.

[Maha]

Banks fucked it up the first time around, why the hell people would vote him in again is beyond me.

Dont all Mayors/Prime Ministers?....cant please the mass's, Tim Shadbolt is a classic case.

[QMOTO]

Jumping for joy over here for 2 reasons. Firstly, this cretin is out and more importantly, it's a win for the Centre Right. Lefties take note, we've had enough of your bullshit, lies, incompetence and corruption.

Go get em Banksy!


Hows it going to work under a Socialistic Government coaltion which will win again for another three years complete with more overtaxing and social engineering?

Countries fucked and the liberals and socialists and unemployed have got it by the balls

REVOLUTION !!!!!!!

[Finn]

Banks fucked it up the first time around, why the hell people would vote him in again is beyond me.

I think Quasi summed it up perfectly. It will always be an uphill battle for any Centre Right Major under socialist scum.

[Robert Taylor]

That is correct Sir.

That is brilliant news, and the breakfast cereals were just as dire as his mayoralty.

[boomer]

The blokes an idjiot. YOU FAT BASTARD..!!! YOU FAT...

[Grahameeboy]

:whocares:...................:done:

[SpankMe]

Local councils are a bunch of ineffectual wankers anyway, so you might as well have someone interesting as Mayor. Go Banksie :niceone:

[Bullitt]

Local councils are a bunch of ineffectual wankers anyway, so you might as well have someone interesting as Mayor.
Exactly. Why do you think famousish people tend to do better, at least the general public will have heard of them.

[Mr. Peanut]

Banks was the Negro Middleweight Champion of the World during the mid 1880s; John made funny contortions with his mouth as he fought; He also snorted, grunted, and yelled; But, he was very clever and carried a good right hand punch.

[Swoop]

Banks fucked it up the first time around, why the hell people would vote him in again is beyond me.
Simply because hubbard is a wimp and a tosser. He has successfully taken Auckland backwards.
At least Banks has some balls. I wonder if he will want to try and get the V8's off of Hamilton?:rofl:

Local councils are a bunch of ineffectual wankers anyway,
Have you cut down a tree (that you own) on your property (that you own) recently?:buggerd:

[The Pastor]

miiint, lets get the v8's :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Lias]

miiint, lets get the v8's :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

That boats already sailed and they are all ours now buddy lol.

Still grats n getting rid of hubbabubbard

[Manxman]

...look, reality is even if you had Ghengis Khan in charge up there, he still wouldn't make a mouse sh*t of a difference...

I worked for the Akl council 'bout 8 years ago and saw first hand how staggeringly good they were about not being able to make hard decisions. All you JAFAs have my total sympathy :yes: The most frustrating time of my life.

[oldrider]

Congratulations Auckland, goodbye plastic man. :headbang:

Will Auckland keep Banks there long enough to actually get something done for a change? :confused: John.

[peasea]

Ya know if you rearrange the letters to Election Results you get....Lies-Lets Recount....:shifty:

......and if you mix up the letters of 'Banksy' you get 'YANKBS' and I've heard enough of that too.

[Swoop]

Banks is straight into the bastards!

NO RATEPAYER FUNDING FOR EDEN PARK (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10469776)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn right!
Why should the ratepayers have to fund the bloody stadium and then not be allowed access? If they put their $$'s into the stadium, give the Auckland ratepayers free tickets to ALL events held there!

Good on ya Banksie!

[WarlockNZ]

Old Banksy huh?

Anyone know who won Waitakere?? (Please not fricken Harvey again)

You would have preferred John Tamihere???

[QMOTO]

miiint, lets get the v8's :D :D :D :D :D :D



BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

yeah unlikely, half the Liberal socialist left is based in Auckland the other half is in Wellington you got no chance, its only in the provinces that you will find a can do kiwi attitude the rest of yas is fucked:dodge:

[Beemer]

Looks like we've kept Duffy in Horowhenua but I was stunned to see that complete drongo Anne Hunt was only about 300 votes behind. She is a right nutter and I doubted she'd get more than a few hundred votes. The third 'candidate' - and I use that term loosely - only got a couple of hundred votes. He's never been a councillor (at least Hunt has) and had a pile of waffly ideas for what he'd do if he was elected. Thankfully he wasn't!

[Finn]

That boats already sailed and they are all ours now buddy lol.

I heard they've had to modify the wheel nuts to include locks, just for Hamilton.

[peasea]

Nice to see the North Shore had the sense to throw Gerorge Wood out. Wanker.

[The Pastor]

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

yeah unlikely, half the Liberal socialist left is based in Auckland the other half is in Wellington you got no chance, its only in the provinces that you will find a can do kiwi attitude the rest of yas is fucked:dodge:
dude dont kill the dream :)

[QMOTO]

I heard they've had to modify the wheel nuts to include locks, just for Hamilton.

Mr Finn are you implying that the crime in Hamilton is worse than in Auckland......................youre joking right ??

[Lias]

Mr Finn are you implying that the crime in Hamilton is worse than in Auckland......................youre joking right ??


I heard they've had to modify the wheel nuts to include locks, just for Hamilton.

What quasi said!

[Brett]

I am also stoked to see the back of old mother Hubbard. His breakfast cereals have not been the same since he forgot he ran a company and decided to play politician. Our city has suffered too.
Banksy will do a much better job, and my breakfast will now get better.

[Finn]

Mr Finn are you implying that the crime in Hamilton is worse than in Auckland......................youre joking right ??

Yes, but it made me feel better.

[Mr. Peanut]

I used to be a lefty because I was poor, now I'm a righty because I'm not.

Either way I'm a selfish bastard :hug:

[Brett]

I used to be a lefty because I was poor, now I'm a righty because I'm not.

Either way I'm a selfish bastard :hug:

I would hardly consider myself wealthy, but I certainly can see that Labour policies are hurtfull in more ways than purely fiscally. They are destroying new zealands moral & social compass and dumbing people down in the process. We are haemoraging ou best people left right and center...engineers, doctors, business people, educators, tradesman etc all shipping overseas. Hence I am no lefty.

[oldrider]

I would hardly consider myself wealthy, but I certainly can see that Labour policies are hurtfull in more ways than purely fiscally. They are destroying new zealands moral & social compass and dumbing people down in the process. We are haemoraging ou best people left right and center...engineers, doctors, business people, educators, tradesman etc all shipping overseas. Hence I am no lefty.

Being "left" or "right" politically is not about money!

It is about the number of active "Brain Cells" you have.

Left is for beginners, advancing to the right as you "grow wiser!" :whistle: John.

[Pixie]

I am also stoked to see the back of old mother Hubbard. His breakfast cereals have not been the same since he forgot he ran a company and decided to play politician. Our city has suffered too.
Banksy will do a much better job, and my breakfast will now get better.

I wonder why Hubbard wasn't called Mother Hubbard more frquently.Especially as his deputy was Bruce Hucker,who could have been called Mother Hucker to continue the theme.

[WarlockNZ]

I wonder why Hubbard wasn't called Mother Hubbard more frquently.Especially as his deputy was Bruce Hucker,who could have been called Mother Hucker to continue the theme.

Hmmm ... that name needs an F at the beginning ... lol

[Brett]

I wonder why Hubbard wasn't called Mother Hubbard more frquently.Especially as his deputy was Bruce Hucker,who could have been called Mother Hucker to continue the theme.

Brilliant!!!:clap:

[SPman]

Banks is mayor again.............:confused:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

the man is a blustering, self serving, self-agrandising, big noter - just the right sort of person to appeal to the inhabitants of Auckland!


ah well - should be another Ferrari in it for him!

[Finn]

Banks is mayor again.............:confused:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

the man is a blustering, self serving, self-agrandising, big noter - just the right sort of person to appeal to the inhabitants of Auckland!


ah well - should be another Ferrari in it for him!

Come on SPman, Auckland voters don't agree with you. On Eden Park, he said it is unfair that ratepayers should pay for it when there is a fat greedy Government with huge surpluses and a rich and powerful Rugby Union. He's right.

Go Banksie!!!

[Krayy]

I voted for the pr0n king myself, but am still happy with the result. Socialists be damned...maybe we can get more boobies onto our billboards now.

I just hope Banks has learned some humility since last time when he was telling us what we need despite all public referendums (sic Eastern Corridor tunnel).

[Tank]

I recon that Banks - by far - was the best option. Love him or not - he makes a call and moves on it - unlike most in politics.

Ive written to him a few times and always received a reply - always addressing the question (easy as I was normally in support), and almost always with some humour in there (remember when he had all the protesters thrown out?)

In the Shore (where I live) - Im so glad that residence have given a big fuck off NO to that airport.

All in all I recon good results!

[pritch]

In national (with a small n) politics Banks finished up as a joke.

I can see why people might be pleased to be represented by by someone from the centre right, but it might have been better if that someone wasn't a certifiable flake.

For some reason Aucklanders seem to have a history of electing loopies to their Council. (More so than most anyway.)

If Christchurch is now to become the venue for the World Cup final that would be entirely appropriate. Canterbury has been the centre of rugby in this country for what seems like a long time now.

Not that it matters very much, the All Blacks probably won't be playing in the match anyway...

[Usarka]

For some reason Aucklanders seem to have a history of electing loopies to their Council. (More so than most anyway.)
..
might be something to do with the quality of the candidates

John 'listen to all the cars tooting at me' Banks
Dick 'my cereal tastes like shit' Hubbard
Steve 'get ya tits out' Crowe
Scruff 'is that a bone through my nose' Ralph
Lisa 'yeeeha i'm a lesbian' Prager

hmmm.... banks.

[Magua]

I saw an interview with Banks on tv1 (I think it was) yesterday morning, he seems to have really changed his tune. I guess we will just have to wait and see how it unfolds.

[Sanx]

the man is a blustering, self serving, self-agrandising, big noter

At least he doesn't try to pretend he's something else, unlike that dumb Hucker who was deputy mayor last time.

[Bass]

Jumping for joy over here for 2 reasons. Firstly, this cretin is out and more importantly, it's a win for the Centre Right. Lefties take note, we've had enough of your bullshit, lies, incompetence and corruption.

Go get em Banksy!

I'm pleased you are happy.
However, I know Dick Hubbard quite well and I suggest you get your facts straight.
I doubt that I have met a more straight up and honest man. So to accuse him of lies and corruption means that you are the one who deals in bullshit - but you make no secret of that.
I'm also willing to bet that he could spot you at least 10 IQ points and still make you look stupid. So to call him a cretin further demonstrates your lack of homework.

But, putting my objection to your sparing use of the truth aside for a moment, all of these characteristics probably limit his ability as a politician. If you add that he is essentially a visionary team player and not a particularly strong captain, the the present outcome was inevitable.

He was asked to stand for the mayoralty by the way and by a group of businessmen at that. I actually share your view of leftist politics, so this doesn't quite gel for me. Perhaps it means that being in business doesn't necessarily make you right wing.

However, I suspect Dick was right in his assessment of Banksie as a "snake oil salesman", but time will tell.

[pritch]

I saw an interview with Banks on tv1 (I think it was) yesterday morning, he seems to have really changed his tune.

Yep. And the leopard has changed its spots!

"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

Well in this instance maybe not evil, but definitely flakey.

The comment about the low standard of candidates is probably not far of the mark, and possibly has something to do with the voter turnout?

[Finn]

I'm pleased you are happy.
However, I know Dick Hubbard quite well and I suggest you get your facts straight.
I doubt that I have met a more straight up and honest man. So to accuse him of lies and corruption means that you are the one who deals in bullshit - but you make no secret of that.
I'm also willing to bet that he could spot you at least 10 IQ points and still make you look stupid. So to call him a cretin further demonstrates your lack of homework.

But, putting my objection to your sparing use of the truth aside for a moment, all of these characteristics probably limit his ability as a politician. If you add that he is essentially a visionary team player and not a particularly strong captain, the the present outcome was inevitable.

He was asked to stand for the mayoralty by the way and by a group of businessmen at that. I actually share your view of leftist politics, so this doesn't quite gel for me. Perhaps it means that being in business doesn't necessarily make you right wing.

However, I suspect Dick was right in his assessment of Banksie as a "snake oil salesman", but time will tell.

I have met Dick Hubbard on several occasions and vehemently doubt his chances at ever making me feel stupid. I quizzed him on several topical Auckland issues and he couldn't even answer one of them intelligently. Also his public speaking ability is embarrassing for someone representing Auckland.

Okay, perhaps because of his pathetic political beliefs I was a bit harsh on him so maybe his constant lies was a result of his incompetence. However, the Council is corrupt and he is, no was, the Mayor.

Dick Hubbard is about as visionary as a decomposing hippopotamus.

[Bass]

I have met Dick Hubbard on several occasions and vehemently doubt his chances at ever making me feel stupid. I quizzed him on several topical Auckland issues and he couldn't even answer one of them intelligently.

Believe me or not as you will, he is a much sharper cookie than you give him credit for - not much chop as a politician but.



Also his public speaking ability is embarrassing for someone representing Auckland.

I disagree - debating maybe, but public speaking, no.


Okay, perhaps because of his pathetic political beliefs I was a bit harsh on him so maybe his constant lies was a result of his incompetence. However, the Council is corrupt and he is, no was, the Mayor..

I challenge your use of the word "corrupt". I can think of several derogatory adjectives which apply but that's not one of them.

Dick Hubbard is about as visionary as a decomposing hippopotamus.

I watched him grow his business and "visionary" is precisely the correct word.

However, even more importantly, he is a REAL biker. He's been known to climb on his Beemer and cruise the length of the country. Banks is a poser by comparason

Oh, and one last thing. Think what you may about his politics, when it came to socialist principles, he put his OWN money where his mouth is. Look at the employment history of his business if you want corroberation.

[oldrider]

Look at the employment history of his business if you want corroberation.

Last time I looked he was up to his neck in industrial unrest! :whistle:

John Banks rides a Harley, Dick Hubbard rides a BMW! Hmmm. (thinks)

Aren't they both generally considered "poser" brands by the (silent) majority! :kick: John.(pt)

[Finn]

Last time I looked he was up to his neck in industrial unrest! :whistle:

Yeah that was funny. He issued a press release telling the world what a wonderful employer he was and shouted the staff a trip to Samoa. When they got back they started industrial action.

Visionary indeed.

[Swoop]

Yeah that was funny. He issued a press release telling the world what a wonderful employer he was and shouted the staff a trip to Samoa. When they got back they started industrial action.
Was the trip one way, and they had to find their own way back???

[Bass]

Yeah that was funny. He issued a press release telling the world what a wonderful employer he was and shouted the staff a trip to Samoa. When they got back they started industrial action.

Visionary indeed.

You show your lack of homework yet again.
How many hours were lost in that "industrial action"???


Guess - go on guess.


Zip! Zero! Zilch!

The staff did a bit of sign waving on their breaks.

It was a great example of a new union organiser trying to make their mark. She must have succeeded too, cos she's in parliament now.
His staff basically tried to show their support for the union without kicking him in the teeth.
Finn, shame on you. You of all people know better than to believe everything you read in the press.

[Bass]

Was the trip one way, and they had to find their own way back???

I was on that trip.


We had a ball, thanks very much

[Swoop]

We had a ball, thanks very much
Rugby or soccer ball?:msn-wink:

[Finn]

Rugby or soccer ball?:msn-wink:

Must have been soccer. Islanders can't play rugby very well.

[Skyryder]

Banks describing himself as centre right. Yea right. He is so far to the right that leftovers are not allowed at his dinner table.:jerry:


Skyryder

[Toaster]

Banks fucked it up the first time around, why the hell people would vote him in again is beyond me.

People have very short memories and tend to repeat their mistakes.

Hubbard was good for making cereals.... just way too expensive though.

[Brett]

Banks describing himself as centre right. Yea right. He is so far to the right that leftovers are not allowed at his dinner table.:jerry:


Skyryder



If that is the case, I would consider it a good thing!

[Skyryder]

If that is the case, I would consider it a good thing!


All things must be in balance. Banks is an extreemist. Not necessarily a bad thing............. but on it's own..................??. There is no electrical current without a negative charge. :niceone:

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

People have very short memories and tend to repeat their mistakes.

Hubbard was good for making cereals.... just way too expensive though.


Hubbards cereals are cheap compared to Bank's. One of Banks major campaign planks was 'no' to ratepayers money on the Eden Park upgrade. As this was legaly 'approved' by Hubbard's Council any reneging on this agreement could cost the Auckland ratepayers more in DAMAGES and litigation costs than the upgrade.

Auckland you have been suckered good and proper

Skyyrder

[Sanx]

There is no electrical current without a negative charge. :niceone:

Skyryder

Wrong. The two ends of a circuit can both be positive (compared to an arbitrary earth), but provided there's potential difference - i.e. one's more positive than the other - current will flow.

[Sanx]

Hubbards cereals are cheap compared to Bank's. One of Banks major campaign planks was 'no' to ratepayers money on the Eden Park upgrade. As this was legaly 'approved' by Hubbard's Council any reneging on this agreement could cost the Auckland ratepayers more in DAMAGES and litigation costs than the upgrade.

Auckland you have been suckered good and proper

Skyyrder

Then how much are Komrade Klerke and the Politburo's u-turns and failed promises going to cost? For example; reneging on the promise to change the tax-rate thresholds?

Hubbard's council say they were going to give money. Bank's council say they're not. Cullen said he was going to change tax-rate thresholds, and a year later he says he's not going to after all. Perhaps you'd like to point out how one is different to the other?

[Usarka]

As this was legaly 'approved' by Hubbard's Council any reneging on this agreement could cost the Auckland ratepayers more in DAMAGES and litigation costs than the upgrade.

Council decisions can be reveresed. were any contracts entered into? if not banks can change whatever he likes.

[Finn]

Why are all the small town hicks on KB getting themselves involved in Auckland's business? A goat farmer may work as a mayor in a sleepy town, but Auckland needs a man with giant testicles. John Banks got my vote and I'm glad he is mayor. Hubbard was just gay (not that there's anything wrong with that)

The only reason most of you don't like Banks is that he is wealthy and that makes you angry. Sad, sad little kiwis.

[avgas]

Banks or Hubbard, either way a monkey could still do a better job.
And i would vote for a monkey.

[Finn]

Banks or Hubbard, either way a monkey could still do a better job.
And i would vote for a monkey.

Tamahorie didn't quite make it.

[MisterD]

Do we actually know what the makeup of the council is yet? Unfortuately there's not much MadDog Banks can do if it's stuffed with lefty poofs

[Paul in NZ]

The only reason most of you don't like Banks is that he is wealthy and that makes you angry. Sad, sad little kiwis.

Nah... I'd dislike him even if he was broke... he is very irritating....

[terbang]

Sad, sad little kiwis.
Hmm, Little eh...?

[Finn]

Hmm, Little eh...?

I'm not short, just a little under tall.

[Usarka]

Do we actually know what the makeup of the council is yet? Unfortuately there's not much MadDog Banks can do if it's stuffed with lefty poofs

Pretty much all Citizen & Ratepayers. centre right all the way.

http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/council/members/elections/results2007.asp

[MSTRS]

Hubbard's council say they were going to give money. Bank's council say they're not. Cullen said he was going to change tax-rate thresholds, and a year later he says he's not going to after all. Perhaps you'd like to point out how one is different to the other?

Is this a rhetorical question? The difference is glaringly obvious....Left vs Right, compared to a slimeball LIAR vs the same slimeball LIAR.
Note...Cullen will never be seen actually standing as a candidate either.

[avgas]

Tamahorie didn't quite make it.
So i heard, have to admit a little bit of me laughed at him as well.
The rest of me was just pleased such a sadistic person didn't climb any higher.

[Robert Taylor]

Pretty much all Citizen & Ratepayers. centre right all the way.

http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/council/members/elections/results2007.asp

Banskie is already making Clark squirm, wonderful!

[Finn]

Banskie is already making Clark squirm, wonderful!

Yeah, I was watching her on the news laughing my head off. I quote, "He's not even sworn in yet. Lets wait until the dust settles."

Helen, I won't make any difference you stupid old hag.

[jrandom]

A family member of 'Banksie' is an old personal friend of mine, and from what I've heard, I feel comfortable with the hypothesis that JB is a total cunt.

I strongly suspect that that might be what Auckland needs right now. It's time someone stood up and started sending a few "fuck you"s in Wellington's direction.

We shall see, we shall see...

[Skyryder]

Council decisions can be reveresed. were any contracts entered into? if not banks can change whatever he likes.

I would be very surprised if a contract of some description was not entered into.

There's an article on this in the Chch Press today. The money seems to be on Banks.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Banks wants taxpayer money spent on an upgrade that is an Auckland facility.

Aucklanders in the main are ones who will be useing Eden Park so why should taxpayers pay for this.

If Clarke had the same attitude to Auckland roading upgrades as Banks has to the Eden Park Upgrade, the rest of New Zealand would not paying for it with the petrol tax.

Skyryder

[Toaster]

Hubbards cereals are cheap compared to Bank's. One of Banks major campaign planks was 'no' to ratepayers money on the Eden Park upgrade. As this was legaly 'approved' by Hubbard's Council any reneging on this agreement could cost the Auckland ratepayers more in DAMAGES and litigation costs than the upgrade.

Auckland you have been suckered good and proper

Skyyrder

Yes well that is true. I live well north of the city in a rural area... we have no public transport system at all... yet they want us to pay for a 10c/L pertol tax when we have no alternatives and won't get an alternative.

Too many councils, too many fees and consent fees are absurd. Auckland needs central focused planning to make it a better place rather than all this fractured dis-jointed half-arse crap.

[idleidolidyll]

Jumping for joy over here for 2 reasons. Firstly, this cretin is out and more importantly, it's a win for the Centre Right. Lefties take note, we've had enough of your bullshit, lies, incompetence and corruption.

Go get em Banksy!

funny!

do you really think right/left had much to do with local body elections? rotflmfao!
local politics is about personalities, simple recognition or a specific policy like water rates rises than about right/left/fascist/anarchist politics.

What REALLY made me laugh was John Banks on Eden Park:

He said he had no intention to assists a wealthy corporation like the Rugby Union or the RWC. Instead he stated that his responsibility was to the ordinary Aucklander.

Hilarious! Maybe he HAS changed.

[Skyryder]

Then how much are Komrade Klerke and the Politburo's u-turns and failed promises going to cost? For example; reneging on the promise to change the tax-rate thresholds?

Hubbard's council say they were going to give money. Bank's council say they're not. Cullen said he was going to change tax-rate thresholds, and a year later he says he's not going to after all. Perhaps you'd like to point out how one is different to the other?

One is a U turn on policy. There is no simularity, nor did I suggest one.

If the Auckland City Council have entered into a contract, and I say 'if' as this has not come out as yet, then Banks won't be able to change a thing without it costing Auckland 'bigtime.' There's a lot of ifs and buts yet to be sure. Will be interesting one way or another.

Lancaster Park can always be used for plan B in the next world Cup.

Skyryder

[Usarka]

Aucklanders in the main are ones who will be useing Eden Park so why should taxpayers pay for this.


The government (read taxpayers) & the nzru have contracted to bring the world cup rugby over and need a stadium to host it.

Aucklanders dont want it, so were not going to pay for it.

simple really.

[jrandom]

If Clarke had the same attitude to Auckland roading upgrades as Banks has to the Eden Park Upgrade, the rest of New Zealand would not paying for it with the petrol tax.

Auckland residents pay a greater proportion of the total petrol tax take than is spent on Auckland roads.

Next please.

[Usarka]

Lancaster Park can always be used for plan B in the next world Cup.



Nope, nowhere near enough hotel beds in Chch.

[MisterD]

Aucklanders in the main are ones who will be useing Eden Park so why should taxpayers pay for this.

If Clarke had the same attitude to Auckland roading upgrades as Banks has to the Eden Park Upgrade, the rest of New Zealand would not paying for it with the petrol tax.

Skyryder

Are we? It'll be 60% gone to corporate sponsors of the NZRFU before the rest of the tickets go into a ballot. Why should Akld ratepayers foot the bill for Clarke & Mallard's self-publicity? They bought the cup, they can sign the cheque.

I'm right with Banks on this, spend money to upgrade local infrastructure, railway stations around the ground etc, but the stadium? No.

Question for you Skyryder: How much of the produce of the rest of NZ leaves through Ports of Auckland?

[Skyryder]

Auckland residents pay a greater proportion of the total petrol tax take than is spent on Auckland roads.

Next please.

I was not talking about 'proportion' but the fact that an additional petrol tax has been imposed on all NZ for Auckland's roading upgrades.

Skyryder

[Sanx]

One is a U turn on policy. There is no simularity, not did I suggest one.

If the Auckland City Council have entered into a contract, and I say 'if' as this has not come out as yet, then Banks won't be able to change a thing without it costing Auckland 'bigtime.' There's a lot of ifs and buts yet to be sure. Will be interesting one way or another.

Lancaster Park can always be used for plan B in the next world Cup.

Skyryder

And Cullen entered into a verbal contract with the New Zealand Public to lower the tax rate thresholds. A verbal contract can be enforced in NZ. Usually though, this is rather difficult as you have to prove that someone said something. In this case, the fact he said it is pretty well documented and as it was in a Budget speech, recorded for posterity. Would be interesting to see someone try to enforce it too...

[idleidolidyll]

And Cullen entered into a verbal contract with the New Zealand Public to lower the tax rate thresholds. A verbal contract can be enforced in NZ. Usually though, this is rather difficult as you have to prove that someone said something. In this case, the fact he said it is pretty well documented and as it was in a Budget speech, recorded for posterity. Would be interesting to see someone try to enforce it too...

nope, not quite right

he never said he WOULD lower taxes at any particular time (please correct me if I'm wrong with suitable references); he said that IF economics allowed for it, he'd consider the idea

the 'suggestion' of lowering taxes is not a contract even in the verbal form

[idleidolidyll]

Are we? It'll be 60% gone to corporate sponsors of the NZRFU before the rest of the tickets go into a ballot. Why should Akld ratepayers foot the bill for Clarke & Mallard's self-publicity? They bought the cup, they can sign the cheque.

I'm right with Banks on this, spend money to upgrade local infrastructure, railway stations around the ground etc, but the stadium? No.

Question for you Skyryder: How much of the produce of the rest of NZ leaves through Ports of Auckland?

hey look, something we agree on!

bugger the world cup, it's a profit making enterprise and should not be a burden on those who are not rugby fans and certainly not on aucklanders alone.

while we're at it, don't fund the amerika's cup.................

[MisterD]

I was not talking about 'proportion' but the fact that an additional petrol tax has been imposed on all NZ for Auckland's roading upgrades.

Skyryder

Or put another way, Auckland's tax take needs to be spent of Auckland instead of propping up the rest of the country - so you buggers need to front-up for a change.

[MisterD]

hey look, something we agree on!

bugger the world cup, it's a profit making enterprise and should not be a burden on those who are not rugby fans and certainly not on aucklanders alone.

while we're at it, don't fund the amerika's cup.................

Well whaddya know...

Actually the America's cup is starting to look like good value. $3M (or whatever) for second place versus how much that gets ploughed into rugby from schools upwards to get 7th or 8th?

[Skyryder]

Question for you Skyryder: How much of the produce of the rest of NZ leaves through Ports of Auckland?

I have no idea nor do I care. Bottomline on this is that the stadium is an Auckland facility and will be used by Aucklanders..........mostly.

Skyryder.

[Usarka]

I have no idea nor do I care. Bottomline on this is that the stadium is an Auckland facility and will be used by Aucklanders..........mostly.

Skyryder.

Fine, we chose not to upgrade it. go banksie. next.

[idleidolidyll]

Well whaddya know...

Actually the America's cup is starting to look like good value. $3M (or whatever) for second place versus how much that gets ploughed into rugby from schools upwards to get 7th or 8th?

if either of them could bring a few billion$ to NZ for the cost of a few tens or hundreds of million$, any government should consider supporting it.

however, to expect the ratepayers of one city to foot the bill is ridiculous particularly given the increases in water and other rates outstripping wage rises over the last few decades.

[idleidolidyll]

I have no idea nor do I care. Bottomline on this is that the stadium is an Auckland facility and will be used by Aucklanders..........mostly.

Skyryder.

fine, if you're happy to pay an extra 10% in rates to have the world cup in your city, be my guest

i for one don't want my rates to help an enormously profitable business make even more profits

[Skyryder]

Or put another way, Auckland's tax take needs to be spent of Auckland instead of propping up the rest of the country - so you buggers need to front-up for a change.

I think the rest of the country does front up. Or to put another way if export goods were only produced in Auckland you may have a point but exports are prooduced throughout the land that's the entire length and breadth and so are taxes.

Skyryder

[idleidolidyll]

I think the rest of the country does front up. Or to put another way if export goods were only produced in Auckland you may have a point but exports are prooduced throughout the land that's the entire length and breadth and so are taxes.

Skyryder

what really kills me is hearing Christchurch people whine about taking 10 minutes to get from the city to Riccarton even as they continue to complain about money being spent on alleviating the 1-1.5 hour trip from papakura to auckland city.

if any of you complainers really want it, i'll pry up a piece of motorway and send it to you as a token

[Delerium]

I was not talking about 'proportion' but the fact that an additional petrol tax has been imposed on all NZ for Auckland's roading upgrades.

Skyryder


Ok, what about us aucklanders subsidising the rest of the country for the last what, 30 years. You dont want to pay more now to have our projects completed? ok fine, we'll take a refund of all the money of that we have put in that was spent over the rest of the country.

[Robert Taylor]

Ok, what about us aucklanders subsidising the rest of the country for the last what, 30 years. You dont want to pay more now to have our projects completed? ok fine, we'll take a refund of all the money of that we have put in that was spent over the rest of the country.

Some perspective here...more Kiwis live outside of Auckland than within it.

[Robert Taylor]

Well whaddya know...

Actually the America's cup is starting to look like good value. $3M (or whatever) for second place versus how much that gets ploughed into rugby from schools upwards to get 7th or 8th?

Johny Reid, currently leading A1GP, no taxpayer funding. Very articulate when interviewed, clear concise non bastardised English, and doesnt trash hotel rooms.

[Sanx]

nope, not quite right

he never said he WOULD lower taxes at any particular time (please correct me if I'm wrong with suitable references); he said that IF economics allowed for it, he'd consider the idea

the 'suggestion' of lowering taxes is not a contract even in the verbal form

Nope. Not quite right. You mis-read my post - I never claimed Cullen said he was going to lower taxes, I said he promised to raise the thresholds at which the various tax rates kick in, which is effectively lowering tax. And here's your reference (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10440396).

[Sanx]

Some perspective here...more Kiwis live outside of Auckland than within it.

Yes, but one third of the population lives in Auckland. It's the single biggest contributor to government coffers. It's had chronic under-investment for the last thirty odd years and now that lack of investment is starting to choke the city.

And when the single biggest market in the country slowly grinds to a halt, the rest of the economy suffers.

[Bass]

I was not talking about 'proportion' but the fact that an additional petrol tax has been imposed on all NZ for Auckland's roading upgrades.

Skyryder

Maybe, but Auckland has been subsidising roading in the rest of the country for decades and it's not only roading that this applies to.
Funny how the whinging only starts when the scales start to balance.

BTW, I'm a southlander and so have seen both sides of the coin

[Usarka]

why the fuck are people complaining about aucklanders not paying for something inside auckland that they dont want.

if you feckers want it then pay for it. if you don't then whats the problem.

stop crying about jaffas, go and have some sniff sniff snifters

http://www.shopnewzealand.co.nz/images/cache/200x291.97080291971_images_Pascall-Snifters.jpg

[peasea]

hey look, something we agree on!

bugger the world cup, it's a profit making enterprise and should not be a burden on those who are not rugby fans and certainly not on aucklanders alone.

while we're at it, don't fund the amerika's cup.................

All of those things should be self funding, government cash should be spent on more pressing things like the dole or legal aid for gun-toting 'terrorists'. (Actually, in reality I was thinking schools and hospitals....)

I don't like ball sports, never have, rugby makes my stomach turn but if you want to play it, go right ahead. However, I don't think that rate payers should have their already too-high rates plundered to underwrite what is essentially a money-spinner for the IRB. Sure, they talk about the good of the community etc etc, and the money that will be generated in the area. I doubt that any of those dollars will be used as cash rebates for the people who might have been extorted to get the ball rolling (pun intended) if it had gone ahead.

The IRB just wants to line its own pockets to make up for previous fiscal blunderings and excesses.

[MisterD]

Johny Reid, currently leading A1GP, no taxpayer funding. Very articulate when interviewed, clear concise non bastardised English, and doesnt trash hotel rooms.

Somehow I just can't take that seriously....just watching the rear spoilers go by....Great Britain, Germany, France, Fisher & Paykel....eh?

[Delerium]

Ha ha, fair one... but even if a private company is investing, its still not taxpayer cash.

[idleidolidyll]

Nope. Not quite right. You mis-read my post - I never claimed Cullen said he was going to lower taxes, I said he promised to raise the thresholds at which the various tax rates kick in, which is effectively lowering tax. And here's your reference (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10440396).

that's not actually proof Sanx, it's OTHER people telling us what Cullen is supposed to have said.

However, suppose I accept it as proof; that still doesn't make it a broken verbal contract. If Labour were to leave government without doing it in that electoral term, THEN he would have broken a contract.

As this stands, he still has a year to run and a year to do as you say he said he'd do.

[Robert Taylor]

Yes, but one third of the population lives in Auckland. It's the single biggest contributor to government coffers. It's had chronic under-investment for the last thirty odd years and now that lack of investment is starting to choke the city.

And when the single biggest market in the country slowly grinds to a halt, the rest of the economy suffers.

This wasnt technically a dig at Aucklanders as such, but it is relevant to point out that 67% of Kiwis live outside of Auckland and EVERYONE is important. Wouldnt it make a lot more sense to have a lot more industry out of Auckland so that it is not bursting its seams?

[idleidolidyll]

This wasnt technically a dig at Aucklanders as such, but it is relevant to point out that 67% of Kiwis live outside of Auckland and EVERYONE is important. Wouldnt it make a lot more sense to have a lot more industry out of Auckland so that it is not bursting its seams?

sure, after you've moved it we'll start funding ex backwaters but until then lets deal with reality

[Skyryder]

Yep we are all Kiwis at heart.

You guys have got Banks. Down my neck of the woods we have another silver tounge. I don't know whose the worst. A snake oil salesman or a flake. Bit like Paris realy............both girls.

Skyyrder

[Robert Taylor]

sure, after you've moved it we'll start funding ex backwaters but until then lets deal with reality

Id argue the pont with you but my capitalist endeavours beckon and I have less idle time than you!

[idleidolidyll]

Id argue the pont with you but my capitalist endeavours beckon and I have less idle time than you!

as i said before, work life balance is a real problem for far too many capitalists

dying rich from a heart attack at 55 is a waste of a life

my own capitalist endeavors probably take far less time and are quite rewarding

[peasea]

Id argue the pont with you but my capitalist endeavours beckon and I have less idle time than you!

NEVER! EVER! argue the pont.
Corrrzzz if you doooooooo
The PONT....IFF will get you from behind.


(And you wouldn't like that.)

[Robert Taylor]

NEVER! EVER! argue the pont.
Corrrzzz if you doooooooo
The PONT....IFF will get you from behind.


(And you wouldn't like that.)

My spelling mistake. But this one eyed lefty with way too much idle time certainly has an argumentative disposition. He should appear at Speakers corner in Hyde Park. The communist mayor of London would doubtless love him.

[peasea]

My spelling mistake. But this one eyed lefty with way too much idle time certainly has an argumentative disposition. He should appear at Speakers corner in Hyde Park. The communist mayor of London would doubtless love him.

Mate; just got back here. Where do these people find their time?

Takin' the piss, as usual, hard to find the staff...........