Defensive driving?

[Ragingrob]

Hey just wanna check up on one of the rules in getting your full license....Must you do a defensive driving course of similar during your restricted, or if you've done it in the past for your car full and have your car full is that counted straight away and therefore reduces restricted to 12months before you can go for your full?

[MarkyMark]

It says in the book you have to have done it AFTER holding your 6R for 6 months. But it's really not something you want to to twice.... tried ringing AA?

[rwh]

Hey just wanna check up on one of the rules in getting your full license....Must you do a defensive driving course of similar during your restricted, or if you've done it in the past for your car full and have your car full is that counted straight away and therefore reduces restricted to 12months before you can go for your full?

It has to be done during your restricted, and if you're under 25 you have to wait a certain amount of time - 6 months on your restricted before you can do it, if I remember right. If you're over 25 and cutting down from 6 months to 3, then it has to be done within those three.

Richard

[WasPhantom]

I did my defensive driving as a way to get my 6F sooner, being an over 25 driver, and having been driving for the last 15 years. However, that said, I would encourage you to go along to the defensive driving regardless of if it speeds up your 6F or not, as it is well worth doing. ( Which I was somewhat surprised by ).

[Ragingrob]

Yeah but it's exactly the same course isn't it and it's designed for road users in general. So it's great for people who start out on a bike but if you've already done it to get your full car license...then...I dunno, surely they'd think ok well he's already got the experience under control? I'll give AA a ring sometime I guess.

[Ragingrob]

I did my defensive driving as a way to get my 6F sooner, being an over 25 driver, and having been driving for the last 15 years. However, that said, I would encourage you to go along to the defensive driving regardless of if it speeds up your 6F or not, as it is well worth doing. ( Which I was somewhat surprised by ).

That's the thing, I've already done it...surely they wouldn't make me do it again when I did it what, 2 or 3 years ago?!:crazy:

[MSTRS]

If you use your Defensive Driving Course as a "credit" towards reducing your licence time, you can only use it once. I.e if you have used it for your car, then you cannot use it towards your bike. Unless you do another course? AFAIK

[sAsLEX]

If you use your Defensive Driving Course as a "credit" towards reducing your licence time, you can only use it once. I.e if you have used it for your car, then you cannot use it towards your bike. Unless you do another course? AFAIK

That is correct.

Thank you Andy Knackerhead and the idiots that came up with that gem of a rule.


Imagine if a four year bachelor of Engineering was a single use item?

Are they also suggesting the courses are of so low value that they are forgotten as soon as you use the certificate?

Logic and the government seem to always be at opposite ends of the spectrum.

[Ragingrob]

OK then well that settles it, guess I'll be paying even more money out next year just to reduce my license. I still believe that there should be a different motorbike restriction list for people with full car licenses. I'm sure most of it is due to "inexperienced road users", so if you have your full car license you are already experienced and should just need maybe 12months total on bike before you can apply for full, just to get the hang of biking and that's that.

[The Pastor]

That's the thing, I've already done it...surely they wouldn't make me do it again when I did it what, 2 or 3 years ago?!:crazy:
nah i tried, did one in 2003 but wasnt allowed to use it for this year. aa and ltsa are a bunch of cock wank juice suckers. they love buracisty (sp) i hate it. they hate me ringing up too.

[Renegade]

nah i tried, did one in 2003 but wasnt allowed to use it for this year. aa and ltsa are a bunch of cock wank juice suckers. they love buracisty (sp) i hate it. they hate me ringing up too.

why werent you able to use it for this year? are you allowed next year?

[The Pastor]

why werent you able to use it for this year? are you allowed next year?
becasue i didnt have my 6r when i did the test, and because it was a long time ago.

[discotex]

The whole bike/car licensing thing is totally borked.

If you want a car and bike learners you have to do the same learner test twice. You can't just use your car one and add on the bike questions and basic handling test. Vice versa for bike to car.

If you do a defensive driving course to reduce your 6R time you have to do an in-car practical. What if you don't have a 1L or 1R or 1F?

Both F tests are almost entirely about road awareness and hazard identification. If you've done one surely you should be able to do a reduced test for the other.

As far as I can tell the system is setup to make sure you sit as many tests as possible thus creating a driver testing and training industry - not to mention the LTSA revenue gathered.

[WasPhantom]

The whole bike/car licensing thing is totally borked.

If you want a car and bike learners you have to do the same learner test twice. You can't just use your car one and add on the bike questions and basic handling test. Vice versa for bike to car.


They have different vehicle specific questions in each. It's worth the variation.



If you do a defensive driving course to reduce your 6R time you have to do an in-car practical. What if you don't have a 1L or 1R or 1F?


I did my defensive driving practical on a 'bike.



Both F tests are almost entirely about road awareness and hazard identification. If you've done one surely you should be able to do a reduced test for the other.


Again, different vehicles. They need to make sure that you're able to be in control of your vehicle, drive/ride it safely, while still being able to maintain an awareness of what is going on around you. It's perfectly reasonable to expect you to do a full test on both.

[discotex]

They have different vehicle specific questions in each. It's worth the variation.

No they don't. The bike test is the car test with an additional 5 questions on a separate scratchy. You could be able to convert a car licence to a bike learners by just doing those 5 questions and the basic handling skills test. If you have a 6L you should be able to get a 1L for a nominal processing fee as you've already done the 1L test.


I did my defensive driving practical on a 'bike.

Was that with AA?


Again, different vehicles. They need to make sure that you're able to be in control of your vehicle, drive/ride it safely, while still being able to maintain an awareness of what is going on around you. It's perfectly reasonable to expect you to do a full test on both.

As I said I don't see a problem with having another test I just think it should be a reduced full test that targets the difference between the vehicles. If you've already passed the restricted test you have already proven you have enough skill to handle the vehicle safely and indicate etc.

[The Pastor]

The whole bike/car licensing thing is totally borked.

If you want a car and bike learners you have to do the same learner test twice. You can't just use your car one and add on the bike questions and basic handling test. Vice versa for bike to car.

If you do a defensive driving course to reduce your 6R time you have to do an in-car practical. What if you don't have a 1L or 1R or 1F?

Both F tests are almost entirely about road awareness and hazard identification. If you've done one surely you should be able to do a reduced test for the other.

As far as I can tell the system is setup to make sure you sit as many tests as possible thus creating a driver testing and training industry - not to mention the LTSA revenue gathered.
they have a practical element to the defensive driving cource? Maybe it has changed since i did it in 03.

But your completely right on the creating jobs thing. thats the only reason you have to do the same cource again and again for each licence.

[WasPhantom]

No they don't. The bike test is the car test with an additional 5 questions on a separate scratchy. You could be able to convert a car licence to a bike learners by just doing those 5 questions and the basic handling skills test. If you have a 6L you should be able to get a 1L for a nominal processing fee as you've already done the 1L test.

Granted.



Was that with AA?

No, it was with one of the local firms here in Wellington, one that I got the 'bike shop to recommend because of the inclusion of a 'bike practical, as I do not have a car here.



As I said I don't see a problem with having another test I just think it should be a reduced full test that targets the difference between the vehicles. If you've already passed the restricted test you have already proven you have enough skill to handle the vehicle safely and indicate etc.

Indeed, but they're not testing your ability to handle the vehicle safely. They're evaluating your ability to identify and react to hazards at the same time as maintaining a safe ride.

This needs to be tested in a number of driving conditions ( i.e. in traffic, varying speeds etc ), therefor it still needs to be the full test. It does come down to the testing instructor as to how comfortable they are with your skills. Personally my 6F test was approximately a 20 minute ride, as they felt satisfied. Whereas when I did my 1F ( about 15 years ago now ), it was a much longer test.

[The Pastor]

my 1R test was about 6mins long. My 1F test was 20min.

My 6R test was 30 mins, my 6F test was also 20-30min with no high speed stuff (because it was raining :D)

[discotex]

No, it was with one of the local firms here in Wellington, one that I got the 'bike shop to recommend because of the inclusion of a 'bike practical, as I do not have a car here.

Righto.. At least there's some options out there eh. I looked around online and couldn't find anything bike specific before giving up and booking with AA. The in-car isn't an issue for me but I wanted to support somewhere that was bike friendly.


Indeed, but they're not testing your ability to handle the vehicle safely. They're evaluating your ability to identify and react to hazards at the same time as maintaining a safe ride.

This needs to be tested in a number of driving conditions ( i.e. in traffic, varying speeds etc ), therefor it still needs to be the full test. It does come down to the testing instructor as to how comfortable they are with your skills. Personally my 6F test was approximately a 20 minute ride, as they felt satisfied. Whereas when I did my 1F ( about 15 years ago now ), it was a much longer test.

Fair call. As long as the instructor can take into account your level of skill and the fact experience (part of which is holding another class) it's not so bad. It'd be nice to pay less for a shorter test in that case tho.

[Ragingrob]

The fact is that it's not the tests as such which are annoying, it's the length of time between each! Having your 1F should allow people doing their bike licencing to have the same time between tests as over 25s or something. Ie 3 months instead of 12!!! The only test which bothers me is paying to do exactly the same defensive driving course for a 2nd time in 3 years! It's bullshit.

[duckonin]

You will not change the system, because those that put it together have no idea how they did it..

Your brain will hold all of the information that went into it from the first defensive driving course for many years to come, no you should not have to do it again, "BUT" the system needs to be shuffeling more paper and counting more money, and at the end of the day there is not one person:whocares:as long as it is not affecting them at the time:angry2: