KB Mentor programme

[Joni]

As most of you know KB set up a mentor programme a while back, this programme was the help new riders gain valuable riding skills from the more experienced riders on KB.

KB has grown so much, and with all the growth a few problems/issues have been raised by several members of KB, plus a few of the Mods regarding the current structure we have. Over time it has become clear that the current way the KB Mentor Programme is being run, no longer suits the site requirements.

So, over the weekend, it was decided to dismantle the mentor programme entirely and re-do it in a way that leaves KB far less open to some of the problems it currently has. From today, there is no “official KB mentor programme”. We have removed everyone from the Mentor list for now and will let everyone know in this thread how we will be moving forward.

Watch this space… we have 3 of our most experienced riders, putting there heads together to ensure new guidelines are put in place that will carry the Mentor Programme forward, and ensure that KB can help any new riders that require help across NZ.

So in the mean time, all “mentor” rides, are just normal rides for a while… it would never stop members form helping others, it just wont be on an official KB capacity for a while.

Huge thanks to all who have helped thus far, especially Quasi…

We will keep you posted!
:sunny:

[Stickchick]

Being the total newbie that I am...(I don't even drive so riding a bike and learning from scratch is a huge accomplishment for me). I have found the mentor system very good.....Thank Mstrs & Micro so I for one am very interested as to what you are going to come up with.

[ArcherWC]

I would like to see Race/track mentors as well, Its allways good to pit with some of the senior crew when your first trackday/race can be very overwhelming

[Joni]

I would like to see Race/track mentors as well, Its allways good to pit with some of the senior crew when your first trackday/race can be very overwhelming
Good suggestion. I will pass it onto the guys to look at.

Stickchick - I agree the mentor programme has helped many.... and has been great. We plan to make it even better and slightly more "air tight" this time round.

[Karma]

OOhh... sounds like something interesting has happened.

Someone molest a newbie or something?

[canarlee]

OOhh... sounds like something interesting has happened.






We plan to make it even better and slightly more "air tight" this time round.

sounds to me like it is a legal problem???


i hope not.

[Colapop]

Being the total newbie that I am...(I don't even drive so riding a bike and learning from scratch is a huge accomplishment for me). I have found the mentor system very good.....Thank Mstrs & Micro so I for one am very interested as to what you are going to come up with.
Don't ya have to actually ride to call yourself a noobie...? :bleh:

[Joni]

There are no drama's, no "legal problems" - we are just re-looking at the mentor programme, which has needed some attention for a while now.

[fireball]

i am keen to watch this space as you never stop learning.... AWNMR has been really good and to make it better?! im all keen!

[canarlee]

There are no drama's, no "legal problems" - we are just re-looking at the mentor programme, which has needed some attention for a while now.

thats cool then.

[Big Dog]

Watching this space.

[Luckylegs]

So in the mean time, all “mentor” rides, are just normal rides for a while…


i am keen to watch this space as you never stop learning.... AWNMR has been really good and to make it better?! im all keen!

I guess that'd be AWNR now

...which dosnt change the fact that I must get off my ass and come along one Wednesday night.

[McDuck]

cool thanks for that.

[Nasty]

Sounds good to have a refresh of how this worked ... I have always found that re-evaluating things on occassion helps to put things into perspective and make things work better :)

[Ms Piggy]

I'd be very keen to be mentored, I've been feeling a lot less confident with my riding as I haven't ridden as much in the last few years. Good job team :niceone:

[McDuck]

Yes i woulld like a mentor soon.

Heck i will be in napier next year, i will jsut give mstrs a call

[Kittyhawk]

Im not into the mentor business....just help other riders, support and encourage...never look down on them...best way to be.

[DMNTD]

How's the new and improved Mentor system coming along? :sunny:

[Joni]

How's the new and improved Mentor system coming along? :sunny:Very good... we are close to getting the draft done... then its fine tuning and voila! :woohoo:

[huck farley]

Anyone from down my way (Wanganui) want a mentor? I would be only to pleased to offer my experience. Just remember new riders, don't ride above your head!! You then have every chance of collecting the pension or Kiwi saver, or both. (I'm nearly there) Send me a PM if you need sensible, and none boring advice. Prepared to do ride outs!!
Cheers
Ride safe!!
Huckleberry

[Joni]

At this stage Mr Farley, it would have to be at your own capacity, as the KB mentor programme is not up and running at this stage! :niceone:

[Sis]

Ulysses Auckland are doing a Mentoring Programme. Roadsafe (Andrew & Lynne) are training us to be mentors and ACC is funding it.
Has anyone thought to contact any of the above groups and see how they are going about it?

[Joni]

Ulysses Auckland are doing a Mentoring Programme. Roadsafe (Andrew & Lynne) are training us to be mentors and ACC is funding it.
Has anyone thought to contact any of the above groups and see how they are going about it?Yes we are looking into it from all angles at this stage.... we want to ensure the programme is solid this time round.

[NighthawkNZ]

Ulysses Auckland are doing a Mentoring Programme. Roadsafe (Andrew & Lynne) are training us to be mentors and ACC is funding it.
Has anyone thought to contact any of the above groups and see how they are going about it?

If ACC are funding then I am sure the Ulysses members involved have had a training themselves as tutors and brush up on there own techniques and it is more of a rider training program... as with the Ride Right Courses and this again opens up a whole can of worms... and don't believe KB should go down this track.

I think the mentor program for KB simply needs to be a guide or riders helping newer riders with questions and techniques, and only giving pointers not a full training program as this has legal issues that would need to be tackled, as well as money involved...

my 2cents which since its not free has been rounded up to 5cents worth

[huck farley]

I personally believe that whatever age you are we are never to old to learn. Also a day that you don't learn anything is a day wasted.

I am a senior Ulysses member and have been to three training days run by the club, I can assure anyone. I came away a better rider than when I went.

With respect I don't think we should be getting to politically correct. By canning rider training, because of the system. Getting into a war of words with the authorities (or for the lack of another word the system) I believe it is not teaching new riders, or old ones returning to riding, any good at all.

In the old days before the system went overboard. All riders had had an experienced rider to look up to, and called a mentor nowadays.

I have to offer, over 40 years of experience to new, or returning riders.

My offer still stands, as long as you have a bike with a current WOF and is registered. Also your licence is current and that of a learner.

I would invite any new member to come on a weekly Sunday ride with my club. I will have you under my wing for the duration.

Plus you will meet new friends and have a good day out. Love to hear from anyone in the Wanganui district who is interested.

Also age is no barrier!! So send me a PM if you wish to sharpen your riding skills.

[James Deuce]

I personally think that offering to do anything except pick up a broken bike is pointless. Most (there are exceptions) "motorcyclists" are pretty entrenched about how 733t their own skills are.

Volunteering for a beating is a pretty odd thing to do. Leave it to the paid professionals. At least they get cash to go with the bruising.

[dangerous]

The mentor thing is a great idea, but what concerns me is whos to say who is up to the job? you would think to become a mentor that you would have to be profesionly trained, other wise whos to say a mentors bad habbits arnt passed on, hell we all think we are right yet we all have different ideas.

Yes mentor skills go beyond riding skills like T.W.R for eg: his workshop skills are a defnit mentor benafit... but as another eg: biff was a mentor, now I never did work that one out as having riden a few miles with him his riding isnt the best, so I wonder how a self confesed mentor can teach anything.

Now dont get me wrong even with my background and milage behind me every day I still learn something too, I give out help to those that ask but whos to say what works for me will work for another rider, what i consider safe may not be buy the next person.

So, who is one going to say who is mentor statous and who isnt?
Now its a great idea but id tend to keep it low key and to the basics, if people want the finer points worked on then the track and or a profesional service is realy whats needed.

[Joni]

So, who is one going to say who is mentor statous and who isnt?
Now its a great idea but id tend to keep it low key and to the basics, if people want the finer points worked on then the track and or a profesional service is realy whats needed.There will be criteria set as to what the standards are to becoming an official KB mentor...

The programme is being done by 3 men I would trust with my life, and their judgement on what is required based on the research they are doing is what KB will go for on an official capacity.

However instead of pulling it to bit before its even started why dont people just sit back and let them get is completed.

The basics are starting to take shape and I can see they are doing a great thing for KB. Months of work has gone into it so far...

Spank has always seen the value in the Mentor programme and knows its a fairly big one and intricate to get right, so we agreed not too rush it so we know we get it right the second time round.

[Ixion]

A mentor does not teach,nor train, nor instruct. He encourages, guides and counsels. He was an ineffectual duffer, useful only as a disguise for a godess.

The other party, BTW is a telemachus.

Although legally a grey area I would say if there is money or funding involved in any way, an instructor's licence endorsement would be required.

Any official program will certainly fail.

[Trudes]

Personally, when I want some mentoring again (which will be soon), I will approach someone that I have ridden with, seen the way they ride and trust that they know what they are talking about to give me a few hours of advice and some ideas of things to practice. I think anyone who asks for mentoring should be ready and willing to take a hard swallow, shut-up, listen and take on board what they are being told, otherwise, why bother, another good reason to pick someone you already know a bit and trust them and their riding.

(Jim, you know you're going to get me hassling you soon eh?)

[Maverick]

What about different levels of mentors or specialisations? that way people know what the mentor they are contacting is suitable to teach or advise?
For instance one mentor might be deemed good to teach basic riding to a learner rider, but might not be deemed to have enough experiance to teach the finer points of high speed riding or racing? Or as mentioned maybe a mentor in a mechanical/technical sense but not riding?

my 2c

[DingoZ]

Personally, when I want some mentoring again (which will be soon), I will approach someone that I have ridden with, seen the way they ride and trust that they know what they are talking about to give me a few hours of advice and some ideas of things to practice. I think anyone who asks for mentoring should be ready and willing to take a hard swallow, shut-up, listen and take on board what they are being told, otherwise, why bother, another good reason to pick someone you already know a bit and trust them and their riding.

(Jim, you know you're going to get me hassling you soon eh?)

Have got to agree, with this. Have found all the advice, the hints, tips, and feedback that has been provided by the people I have met from KB and from the Wednesday Night Rides, and the weekend rides etc that I have been on so far, have all been invaluable. I listen to all advice, and if it doesn't work for me then no harm no foul.

And if someone offers me advice or tells me maybe I should do something different, I'm not one to take offence, rather take it on board, cause the advice is meant to be helpful not hurtful....:)

And would not knock back the offer if someone was to "Mentor" me....

[Blackbird]

What about different levels of mentors or specialisations? that way people know what the mentor they are contacting is suitable to teach or advise?
For instance one mentor might be deemed good to teach basic riding to a learner rider, but might not be deemed to have enough experiance to teach the finer points of high speed riding or racing? Or as mentioned maybe a mentor in a mechanical/technical sense but not riding?

my 2c

That is part of our proposal! More details in due course. A few things to work through first.

[huck farley]

I have no training tickets, I do have 40 years of riding & fixit skills and a have a very wise head on my shoulders. But it is not enough. So I therefore retract any offers through Kiwi biker to mentor anyone. I will help the local riders. Cheers "Huck"

[Blackbird]

I have no training tickets, I do have 40 years of riding & fixit skills and a have a very wise head on my shoulders. But it is not enough. So I therefore retract any offers through Kiwi biker to mentor anyone. I will help the local riders. Cheers "Huck"


Bristly, aren't you? I'm talking about possible different levels of mentoring according to skill and experience, not a formal piece of paper. I have over 40 years of biking experience too. You were a bit quick off the mark there!

Geoff

[xwhatsit]

I personally think that offering to do anything except pick up a broken bike is pointless. Most (there are exceptions) "motorcyclists" are pretty entrenched about how 733t their own skills are.

Well yes, it seems to be that way with more experienced riders, but beginners like myself and the hordes of GN250 `fresh this season' riders are pretty keen for some instruction. Was just reading a thread by Jaymzw where he was struggling with braking; Madbikeboy took him out and showed him the way.

On Monday did a short run to Kaiaua and back, there was a guy called Shingo on a VTR250 who had been riding for two weeks. Also TOTO who, despite riding for a few years, is still really enthusiastic about lapping up as much knowledge as he can.

I wouldn't write the chances of this off completely, especially for the rank noob set.

[huck farley]

I personally think that offering to do anything except pick up a broken bike is pointless. Most (there are exceptions) "motorcyclists" are pretty entrenched about how 733t their own skills are.

Volunteering for a beating is a pretty odd thing to do. Leave it to the paid professionals. At least they get cash to go with the bruising.

Call me "bristly" but I think Jim2 is onto it. Makes sense to let the pros go about the job they are trained to do. As it has been mentioned none trained unqualified tutors may offer the wrong advice. Enough said. That is why I retracted my offer. No other reason!! cheers.

[Mom]

Call me "bristly" but I think Jim2 is onto it. Makes sense to let the pros go about the job they are trained to do. As it has been mentioned none trained unqualified tutors may offer the wrong advice. Enough said. That is why I retracted my offer. No other reason!! cheers.

I think that should have read "firstly" but I digress...

I am more than willing and very happy to "mentor" a new rider. I dont actually know jack shit about riding I might add, having only held a bike license for over 30 years now. Am not sure that I would want to be an "Official KB mentor" I am just here and am happy to assist anyone that wants to learn something I know, that they dont....

Tis the biker way after all......:2thumbsup

[Big Dog]

I think that should have read "firstly" but I digress...

I am more than willing and very happy to "mentor" a new rider. I dont actually know jack shit about riding I might add, having only held a bike license for over 30 years now. Am not sure that I would want to be an "Official KB mentor" I am just here and am happy to assist anyone that wants to learn something I know, that they dont....

Tis the biker way after all......:2thumbsup

+1. I never set out to be a mentor but I am unwilling to let Wednesday nights die as long as there are people who are wanting to learn. If they want professional advice they can get that too.

Despite several people suggesting I get my endorsement I refuse to because I want any advice I give to remain free.

[boomer]

There will be criteria set as to what the standards are to becoming an official KB mentor...

The programme is being done by 3 men I would trust with my life, and their judgement on what is required based on the research they are doing is what KB will go for on an official capacity.

However instead of pulling it to bit before its even started why dont people just sit back and let them get is completed.

Do you get a badge with the position of 'offiicial kb mentor' ? Like Joey Deacon?

[boomer]

I have over 40 years of biking experience too

Sorry mate, but by itself that means SQUAT. I have 40 years at this life business...therefore should I be a qualified gynecologist. :doctor:

[Blackbird]

Sorry mate, but by itself that means SQUAT. I have 40 years at this life business...therefore should I be a qualified gynecologist. :doctor:

Errr....that was exactly my point to our friend. Looks like you still have plenty to learn:bleh:

[Doogle]

A quick question with no intent to ruffle feathers. Isn't protecting KB from libel the reason the KB trackdays are run as "Frosty's" trackdays?
Shouldn't the same degree of seperation apply to the mentor program ?

[ManDownUnder]

I'm happy to help with mentoring and claim to have experience but no expertise in any one thing.

I'm a road rider - NOT a track rider. Braking and lines/cornering are probably what I can help with best but my time is very limited.

Also - in general discussion, Mrs KD hit a very important point on the head. It helps tremendously to have a mentor that rides in a style you actually like/respect/relate to. There's a lot of people out there faster than me, better braking cornering etc but in my mind they're taking more risks than I'm comfortable with.

Whilst I could learn from them, I'm not sure I'd take instruction from them very well. To be inspired into learning is the way to go if you're lucky enough to find someone that fits the bill.

Last. The status of mentor. I'll pull no punches here. It's not an ego thing. If you're in it for the ego your head is in the wrong place. If you're in it for the title - you head is in the wrong place. If you're in it to be better than your mates... you have a shitload of growing up to do - and your head is not only in the wrong place - it's most of the way up your arse.

It's more like a social resposibility - a civic duty. Something that should be done, needs to be done, and only those with the skills should be doing it. It needs to be open frank and honest... and totally open to peer review and criticism.

2c poorer - over and under

[Ixion]

A quick question with no intent to ruffle feathers. Isn't protecting KB from libel the reason the KB trackdays are run as "Frosty's" trackdays?
Shouldn't the same degree of seperation apply to the mentor program ?

They're really SB trackdays now. Mr Frosty got arseholed out of KB.

Go here (http://sportsbike.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=1333)for latest details

[Hitcher]

Mr Frosty got arseholed out of KB.

What is this? National Promulgate Myths & Legends Day or something?

Nothing of the sort happened.

[YellowDog]

Excellent idea.

Lets home some of the potential future accidents will be avoided.

[Jorja]

What is this? National Promulgate Myths & Legends Day or something?

Nothing of the sort happened.
With all respect Hitcher. Were you listening in on the conversation between the two parties concerned? Were you privvy to the e mails sent or the private message sent. If not then I'd suggest You are not qualified to answer that particular statement with anything more than your personal opinion.
If you were then somebody has broken the very rules they themselves imposed.

[YellowDog]

Wow...all I want to be able to do is pass on what knowledge I've learnt over the years to people that are requiring it.
I'm not qualified but I'm more than "qualified"...take from it as you will.

Don't give a flying fark whether it's "backed" by some KB Mentor scheme or not...I will still offer my help.
If they ain't paying for it, then there is no problem. Official couses by qualified trainers can teach a lot of good practice and safety however on the road, we don't all follow the rules and there is lots we have all picked up by trial and error and sometimes accident. Passing this on and potentially saving future accidents and deaths can only be a good thing - IMO

[nodrog]

...Official couses by qualified trainers can teach a lot of good practice and safety......


exactly, there are already courses out there for people who want official training, advanced traing etc.

sometimes all a newbie wants is sombody with a bit of experience to go for a ride with, so they feel less nervous than they would be by themselves, and dont have to worry about getting lost, fixing a puncture by themselves etc.

as far as im concerned a mentor is sombody in your area that is willing to go on rides, answer your questions no matter how stupid, and give their feedback on your riding technique etc. in my opinion, anybody who is willing to give up their free time to do this is not exactly going to be some knob who is going to be stupid enough to give out dangerous / etc advice to a learner rider.

i think the mentor programme should be a network of people in your area willing to offer their advice / help / time / etc, which people can contact if they wish. people are generally big and ugly enough to decide if they need "official training" or not.

[YellowDog]

Yup. Well put.

It's the dos and the donts in of particular situations that an official course cannot and is not authorised to answer.

[James Deuce]

With all respect Hitcher. Were you listening in on the conversation between the two parties concerned? Were you privvy to the e mails sent or the private message sent. If not then I'd suggest You are not qualified to answer that particular statement with anything more than your personal opinion.
If you were then somebody has broken the very rules they themselves imposed.

Yeah, but he's back posting isn't he, so he wasn't.

I don't how you can still push the myth that he was kicked off KB when he's been posting.

[discotex]

That is part of our proposal! More details in due course. A few things to work through first.

Sounds good. I can't wait. Will be great if it's clear who is mentoring which skills and where they're located to make it easier to find a mentor.

[chanceyy]

exactly, there are already courses out there for people who want official training, advanced traing etc.

sometimes all a newbie wants is sombody with a bit of experience to go for a ride with, so they feel less nervous than they would be by themselves, and dont have to worry about getting lost, fixing a puncture by themselves etc.

as far as im concerned a mentor is sombody in your area that is willing to go on rides, answer your questions no matter how stupid, and give their feedback on your riding technique etc. in my opinion, anybody who is willing to give up their free time to do this is not exactly going to be some knob who is going to be stupid enough to give out dangerous / etc advice to a learner rider.

i think the mentor programme should be a network of people in your area willing to offer their advice / help / time / etc, which people can contact if they wish. people are generally big and ugly enough to decide if they need "official training" or not.

Since I am a newbie rider .. & done that nervous ride totally get wot Nodrog is saying here & support his comments on why newbies look for mentors ..

[FROSTY]

Jumping into this little discussion. I have major reservations about an "official" Kiwibiker mentor program.
Definitely say "johns" mentor program run through Kiwibiker.
But an official program will have lots of potential fallout for the owner of the site.
The concept is stunning mind you

[Virago]

...an official program will have lots of potential fallout for the owner of the site...

That's one of the reasons it's being worked on, and it raises many issues.

We appreciate everyone's patience while the issues are being explored.

Thanks Frosty.

[FROSTY]

MEANWHILE-- Jorja has been in my ear to run some more basic training at the swanson training area.
Once the little darlings are BACK AT SCHOOL :love: I'm happy to do so.
Might even be able to con the stranger into helping out.
I'm not really keen on large groups so itll be like 4 students and 2 innstructors at a time.

IT WILL NOT BE ANYTHING OFFICIAL. JUST A COUPLE OF GUYS HAPPY TO PASS ON OUR TINY BIT OF EXPERIENCE

[ArcherWC]

MEANWHILE-- Jorja has been in my ear to run some more basic training at the swanson training area.
Once the little darlings are BACK AT SCHOOL :love: I'm happy to do so.
Might even be able to con the stranger into helping out.
I'm not really keen on large groups so itll be like 4 students and 2 innstructors at a time.

IT WILL NOT BE ANYTHING OFFICIAL. JUST A COUPLE OF GUYS HAPPY TO PASS ON OUR TINY BIT OF EXPERIENCE
You going to teach people how to crash Frosty?????

[FROSTY]

Ferry funny archer. NOT.:shutup:
Haven't had a road crash forever.
Racing doesn't count

[James Deuce]

You going to teach people how to crash Frosty?????
He'll be right, there's no Paekak Hill in Swanson!

[FROSTY]

He'll be right, there's no Paekak Hill in Swanson!
Hate you you b$$%$? lol
shit that was 3 years ago. Forgot about that one

[James Deuce]

Sorry mate, it was a bit mean :).

[McDuck]

Do sub 5kph drops count as crashes?

[Ixion]

Not in my opinion. Unless its under a bus or over a cliff.

[howdamnhard]

So is there or is there not a mentor programme yet?:blink:

[McDuck]

So is there or is there not a mentor programme yet?:blink:

You ride a GN, you are beyond help ;) :hug:

[James Deuce]

Do sub 5kph drops count as crashes?

If a bike doesn't slide its own length, then it wasn't a crash.

[FROSTY]

Don't tell Jorja that. She was so proud of her first "crash"
-Foot jammed between island and bike,bike fell over.

[Jorja]

Time to reconcider my mentor.What goes on ride stays on ride you said.

[FROSTY]

Jim Now look at the trouble you got me in

[James Deuce]

You don't need my help buddy! :girlfight:

[riffer]

Jim Now look at the trouble you got me in

'bout time if you ask me. The amount of shit he's got me in at home with some of his comments LOL. ;)

FWIW I share your sentiments regarding the mentor program Tony. I would suggest anyone who wants to be a mentor should be immediately discounted.

[Jorja]

Yea but we still Luff the silly buggar.Well as long as he keeps my bike goin anyways.:devil2:

[riffer]

"boom-boom!"

[discotex]

Any word or has this dropped off the radar?

[Mental Trousers]

Any word or has this dropped off the radar?
It's still a happening thing. But it's not being revealed until both myself and Spank are happy with it. We don't have a date that we're aiming for because it's entirely possible that it'll get knocked back a couple of times before we're comfortable with it.

It's getting there. But don't expect to be able to just sign up and instantly be a mentor. And just because people were mentors under the old programme definitely does not mean they're instantly in either.

[discotex]

It's getting there. But don't expect to be able to just sign up and instantly be a mentor. And just because people were mentors under the old programme definitely does not mean they're instantly in either.

Sweet as mate.. Just checking in because I hadn't seen anything for a while.

I'm not so much thinking of me being a mentor (although I'm sure I'd be ok for newbies) but I want my own mentor.

[dangerous]

I'm not so much thinking of me being a mentor (although I'm sure I'd be ok for newbies) but I want my own mentor.

I like ya way of thinking, sounds all you need to do is sit back, listen and take note of ya suroundings, you will be fine. :scooter:

[discotex]

I like ya way of thinking, sounds all you need to do is sit back, listen and take note of ya suroundings, you will be fine. :scooter:

Cheers :)

I'm doing ok but I have this problem where I expect too much too quickly.

Left to my own devices I'm tempted to forget that there are steps between learner and expert. Would be good to have someone show me some steps along the way rather than pushing myself too hard.

[dangerous]

Cheers :)

I'm tempted to forget that there are steps between learner and expert. yeah there are... its called 20+ years of riding.

The survival instinct is the best but hardest lesson to learn

[riffer]

yeah there are... its called 20+ years of riding.

The survival instinct is the best but hardest lesson to learn

Excepting of course the bits where the survival instinct causes survival reactions (if you subscribe to the Keith Code way of thinking).

[ManDownUnder]

It's getting there. But don't expect to be able to just sign up and instantly be a mentor. And just because people were mentors under the old programme definitely does not mean they're instantly in either.

Good! (10 chars)

[Mental Trousers]

Just to let everyone know that the 1st draft of the new mentor programme was presented and I have asked the guys to resubmit it after addressing a concern I had over it.

So it's coming along. But when it'll be ready to go nobody is sure.

[Hitcher]

I hear that skidMark is an approved mentor?

[Virago]

I hear that skidMark is an approved mentor?

You misheard the last word. Get your ears checked.

[Qkchk]

FYI

I now have an I Endorsement and can offer pre-licence test assessments (6R and 6F)

[Jantar]

I hear that skidMark is an approved mentor?
Hitcher, Its not like you to make a spelling mistake. But it is only the last two letters of your sentence you got wrong. :D