I wish I'd done a runner

[vifferman]

Fuck it!
Only two blocks from home, and I spot a mufti cop going the other way, and he looks too interested in me. So, I slow down, and meander along, hoping I wasn't speeding and/or he didn't clock me if I was. Eventually, I see the flashy light thingoes in my mirrors and pull over, a mere 50m from my house. $170 and 35 demerits later and I'm REALLY pissed off - at him, at me, and at not going for it. By the time the car had performed a safe u-turn and caught up (coz it wasn't motoring), I could've ben safe in my gargre. Or down the neighbour's driveway.
Although I'm normally an advocate of "do the crime, pay the fine", in this case I wish I'd been more naughty. That's 70 points in the last coupla munce, and $340. I can't afford either.

[Roj]

The question is what were you doing?

[vifferman]

No, the question is, "Should I have made a run for it?"
But since you're so curious, I was riding home, minding my own business.
The cop shoulda minded his.

[dmoney]

bugger sounds like you should of guned it dude.shouldnt they be out looking for real crimes anyway

[vifferman]

Well, in the normal commuting day, I break enough rules that I deserved the pain this inflicted, but knowing I was so close to home, and that his u-turn etc. would take a while, I was so tempted to hide down a side street or run for cover. The thing was, I wasn't really flying, so I wasn't actually sure I'd got pinged. And because I wasn't really flying, he didn't do the big smokey u-turn and high-speed pursuit thing. If I'd waited till he was out of sight of my mirrors (it was round the corner and down the hill), then given it heaps, I might have made it.
Or not.

:crybaby:
Now I'll never know.

[jrandom]

Bugger.

Are you still under 100 points?

[vifferman]

Now I've got the beating from the vifferbabe to look forward to.
:spanking:

:bash:

[The Pastor]

if you did a runner they would stake out your house and get you in about a weeks time.

[vifferman]

Bugger.

Are you still under 100 points?
Yeah - 70.

But because I ride like a dick (and I'm not particularly repentent this time), it makes it TOOOOO easy to go over the limit.
The last two tickets, I was like, "Oh - that was fargin stupid - must be more careful!" But now I've become a hardened criminal, as well as a three-time killer (the two speeding tickets in the '70s weren't murderous, as it was semi-OK to speed back in those primitive days...)

Or has it all changed? Are we no longer murderous thugs? Is there some other catch phrase?

Any time, anywhere, you could be fucked over and fined and have very many points that yopu don't really want added to your licence!

[vifferman]

if you did a runner they would stake out your house and get you in about a weeks time.
Bastards!
But of course, I'd've just parked the bike up for a few weeks, and used my son's Fart Punto.

So.
Now that the adrenaline of the event has dribbled away down my leg and into my sock, I need to make some Hard Decisions.
Do I punish the police by misbehaving whenever I can, or sell my bike and buy something stealthy like a Jog 50, or be very very good, and never ever kill anyone ever again?
Hmmm... decisions, decisions...

[HDTboy]

Don't think. Go!

[Slingshot]

So I assume that you live in a superb, probably families with young children live around you, maybe they were out playing and enjoying the sunshine.

I think you know where I'm going with this...





But I know your pain...I got done a couple of blocks from home a while back, cop with a laser pinged me and then walked out into my path to stop me.
The question I asked myself then was should I run....him over:Police:

[ZeroIndex]

Being close to home makes it worse, cause if you did run and got caught, really bad things happen... stopping is always the right thing to do.

[The Pastor]

basicly you can never really run from the cops, its just pub stories that make you think you can.

[timorang]

feel for ya. i wish you had been less obliging as well. in commuting traffic i have on several occassions got the fark out of there when spotted by plod as i bend the rules. my view is that if i move on in a legal way (careful to not add to the original sin) and subsequently get caught then fair enough and i will be done for the original offence. as it stands my legal reteats have been adequate to avoid plod and i am in 'credit' for the day plod finds me(currently and touch wood...).

[jrandom]

Join the 70 points club, dude. It doesn't stop me.

And keep the viffer. Don't even think about changing, unless it's to a gixxer.

;)

But, for the love of God, get a radar detector already.

[Mom]

as it stands my legal reteats have been adequate to avoid plod and i am in 'credit' for the day plod finds me(currently and touch wood...).


You know I will remind you of this post when you do get pinged! :whistle:

Seriously though, 35 demerits is 30+ over the limit. I really hope you live rurally and not in a 50kph area, cos frankly if you were 30 over in a 50 then you really need to pay more attention in built up areas, and no sympathy here.

Interesting comment of yours too....

"Any time, anywhere, you could be fucked over and fined and have very many points that yopu don't really want added to your licence!"

Bit of advice.......slow down :argh:

[jrandom]

I really hope you live rurally and not in a 50kph area, cos frankly if you were 30 over in a 50 then you really need to pay more attention in built up areas, and no sympathy here.

You appear to have run out of Brasso to use on that halo of yours. Would you like to borrow my tin for a while?

[BarBender]

Fuck it!
That's 70 points in the last coupla munce, and $340.

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[Toaster]

No, the question is, "Should I have made a run for it?"
But since you're so curious, I was riding home, minding my own business.
The cop shoulda minded his.

Bud, if you are speeding... then you are his business.

Running could have ended in a tragedy... you just never know what might have come your way as you raced off to avoid the police. And if you crashed then we would all be attending your funeral or sending you flowers in hospital.

You did the right thing by taking it like a man and not running like an idiot. If you ran and he caught you, you would be done for failing to stop and who knows what else.... far worse than a mere ticket for speed.

[Mom]

You appear to have run out of Brasso to use on that halo of yours. Would you like to borrow my tin for a while?

I dont have a halo sweets, but am flattered that you see me in that light!

Dickheads that tear around 30 over the limit in built up areas deserve the book chucked at them!

[DUCATI*HARD]

Fuck it!
Only two blocks from home, and I spot a mufti cop going the other way, and he looks too interested in me. So, I slow down, and meander along, hoping I wasn't speeding and/or he didn't clock me if I was. Eventually, I see the flashy light thingoes in my mirrors and pull over, a mere 50m from my house. $170 and 35 demerits later and I'm REALLY pissed off - at him, at me, and at not going for it. By the time the car had performed a safe u-turn and caught up (coz it wasn't motoring), I could've ben safe in my gargre. Or down the neighbour's driveway.
Although I'm normally an advocate of "do the crime, pay the fine", in this case I wish I'd been more naughty. That's 70 points in the last coupla munce, and $340. I can't afford either.

you would have made it if you held it on,,,and the copper would have went home with his tail between his legs,,,maybe next time:whistle:

[jafar]

you would have made it if you held it on,,,and the copper would have went home with his tail between his legs,,,maybe next time:whistle:

Theres a good idea , run & lead them back to where you live :clap:

IF you ever intend on doing a runner in this kind of situation NEVER run straight home:nono:. They will then know with no shadow of doubt who you are & where you live, there is nothing to stop them comming round later on & giving you the speeding ticket you thought you had avoided by running in the first place.:bash::bash:
It used to be that if you beat the cop back to your place then you were 'safe'. Those days are long gone, a cop can & will follow you on to your property to issue you with a ticket or arrest you :Oops:, HOT PURSUIT allows them to do this & there is bugger all you can do about it except bend over & smile :eek5:

[Blackbird]

Geez Ian

All this whinging about the cops plus a wee bit of beating up on yourself is really a smokescreen covering what you dismissed in half a sentence - the Vifferbabe reaction:buggerd: That's what really has you rattled eh? The sentence "Don't expect me to run you round when you lose your license" regularly gets trotted out in our household!

Now I happen to know that you've been smoothing the path somewhat with bling and goodies during the past few months. I don't know whether this is purely out of love or just a dash of insurance too, but it MIGHT just work in your favour.

However, I regard bribes to partners as vapourware. Irrespective of the size of the bribe, the impact only lasts a day:rolleyes:

I shall pray for you:msn-wink:

Geoff

[vifferman]

Well, the beating wasn't TOO bad - she didn't use the BIG stick with the knobby bits...

So I assume that you live in a superb,
Not so superb, but OK. $Million+ houses along the bit I was pinged on.

probably families with young children live around you, maybe they were out playing and enjoying the sunshine.

I think you know where I'm going with this...
Look - I may be a dick, but I'm not a dickhead.
Or a knob end.

Time and place.
Despite being a murderer, I'm a responsible, upstanding citizen.

Apart from when I'm lying down, of course.


Being close to home makes it worse, cause if you did run and got caught, really bad things happen... stopping is always the right thing to do.
What "really bad things"... :unsure:
Like $170 fines?
And the neighbourhood kids walking past and smirking at me?


basicly you can never really run from the cops, its just pub stories that make you think you can.
Nah, that's foolish talk.

Join the 70 points club, dude. It doesn't stop me.

And keep the viffer. Don't even think about changing, unless it's to a gixxer.

;)

But, for the love of God, get a radar detector already.
It's funny you should say that.
I haven't experienced REAL power.
Just V4 power (and not of the RC45 or Desmosedici kind).
But just today I was thinking about 1000cc SpeedMachines.


Seriously though, 35 demerits is 30+ over the limit.
No, it's not. I've had that one (132 in 100) and it's $300 and 40 points.

I really hope you live rurally and not in a 50kph area, cos frankly if you were 30 over in a 50 then you really need to pay more attention in built up areas, and no sympathy here.
Yeah, rural.
Sea on the sides, bush around.
Shame about the houses and stuff.
quote=Mom;1251847]
Interesting comment of yours too....

"Any time, anywhere, you could be fucked over and fined and have very many points that yopu don't really want added to your licence!"[/quote]
Not my quote.
I'm sure I saw it on the gogglebox or summat.

And if you crashed then we would all be attending your funeral or sending you flowers in hospital.
Not.
When I die, it will be like my life - pretty much unnoticed (apart from the odd minor wrong-doing).


You did the right thing by taking it like a man and not running like an idiot. If you ran and he caught you, you would be done for failing to stop and who knows what else.... far worse than a mere ticket for speed.
Well, I thought that by cruising along and behaving, and all that, maybe nothing bad would happen.
But it's an urban myth.

Dickheads that tear around 30 over the limit in built up areas deserve the book chucked at them!
I already told you - it wasn't that fast! It was about 2.3mm above the legal mark on the speedo.
A mistake anyone could've made.

you would have made it if you held it on,,,and the copper would have went home with his tail between his legs,,,maybe next time:whistle:
Yeah, but I still have to pay the fine this time. :crybaby:

Transcript follows:
Sir - do you know why I've interrupted your commute and made you late home?
No fargin idea - please elucidate if you would be so kind. But then if you were kind, you wouldn't have interfered with my lawful and pleasant journey.
Well, Sir, you were doing 72km/h, and that's very naughty. Now how do you want it? My partner there's horny, but he won't give me a bit; perhaps you would like to come back to the car and "see the speed on the zappy thing?"
What fargingood would that do, Mr Plod - that doesn't prove anything (and these pants are hard to remove in a hurry). Does it have the date and time?
Ahm.. no Sir. But my offer still stands. And you were the only blue bike going 72 just now.
What what what - does it have a picture of a blue bike on it then?!?
No, it doesn't. But I'm prepared to stand up in a court of law and say it was you.
Then I'm screwed - they're not going to believe a motorcyclist over a police oroficer then, are they?
Here - look at this - see how close the lines'n'numbers are together? It's really easy to be 2.3mm over that number there when you're busy watching where you're going instead of staring at the speedo!
Well, just take this as a "not so friendly" reminder to take more care. Now about that bummaging - if you're not too buggered already..?

[vifferman]

Geez Ian

All this whinging about the cops plus a wee bit of beating up on yourself is really a smokescreen covering what you dismissed in half a sentence - the Vifferbabe reaction:buggerd:
I just presented it as an honest and unintentional mistake, and told her how angry and pissed off I was.
She still loves me (and I've got the bruises to prove it...)

[jrandom]

2.3mm, etc

You obviously need a ZX-10R.

They have digital speedos.

:woohoo:

[Coyote]

Well, in the normal commuting day, I break enough rules that I deserved the pain this inflicted, but knowing I was so close to home, and that his u-turn etc. would take a while, I was so tempted to hide down a side street or run for cover.
Shit, so when I've accidentally not noticed a cop and take a side road just to be safe, I'm doing a runner? I thought a runner is when the lights are flashing behind you and then you hoon off?

[inlinefour]

Fuck it!
Only two blocks from home, and I spot a mufti cop going the other way, and he looks too interested in me. So, I slow down, and meander along, hoping I wasn't speeding and/or he didn't clock me if I was. Eventually, I see the flashy light thingoes in my mirrors and pull over, a mere 50m from my house. $170 and 35 demerits later and I'm REALLY pissed off - at him, at me, and at not going for it. By the time the car had performed a safe u-turn and caught up (coz it wasn't motoring), I could've ben safe in my gargre. Or down the neighbour's driveway.
Although I'm normally an advocate of "do the crime, pay the fine", in this case I wish I'd been more naughty. That's 70 points in the last coupla munce, and $340. I can't afford either.

Good on ya for doing the right thing bro. Yea it might be dosh you can't really afford and more demerits, but you have remainded accountable for it. Its the idiots who do the runners that halpe run up insurance costs etc, IMO. Funny thing is though, for all my years of riding, I allways knew the revs per gear that I needed to do the 50km/hr around populated areas. Maybe you can suss that out so your not stung again? :Oops:

[ZeroIndex]

What "really bad things"... :unsure:
Like $170 fines?
And the neighbourhood kids walking past and smirking at me?

I'm talking about loss of license, a big fine, possibility of confiscated motorcycle... just little unimportant things like that... I got off lightly with loss of license and confiscated motorcycle and some community service, but if they had gone the whole hog on me, it could've reached up to $14000 in fines... I'll be stopping next time...

[DUCATI*HARD]

Theres a good idea , run & lead them back to where you live :clap:

IF you ever intend on doing a runner in this kind of situation NEVER run straight home:nono:. They will then know with no shadow of doubt who you are & where you live, there is nothing to stop them comming round later on & giving you the speeding ticket you thought you had avoided by running in the first place.:bash::bash:
It used to be that if you beat the cop back to your place then you were 'safe'. Those days are long gone, a cop can & will follow you on to your property to issue you with a ticket or arrest you :Oops:, HOT PURSUIT allows them to do this & there is bugger all you can do about it except bend over & smile :eek5:

i wouldnt bend over myself,and the only smiling ill be doing is when i leave him dazed and confused,scratching his head,wondering what the fark happened to that biker:devil2:

[jafar]

i wouldnt bend over myself,and the only smiling ill be doing is when i leave him dazed and confused,scratching his head,wondering what the fark happened to that biker:devil2:

Just make sure you have well & truly lost him before you go home :pinch:

[DUCATI*HARD]

Just make sure you have well & truly lost him before you go home :pinch:

that is rule of thumb,,,i was born n breed in waiuku:devil2:

[Mumbles]

:Police: Auntie Helen thanks you for your donation :devil2:

[jafar]

that is rule of thumb,,,i was born n breed in waiuku:devil2:
Cool , so you will be comming to the BBQ then ? :devil2:

[HungusMaximist]

You're right Vifferman, take a chance next time and do a runner!

I know it's gonna be hard but try to be as calm as possible so you don't shit your pants and do something stupid... like crash....

Make it one of your 'must do's' before you die or at least before you hit fifty.

After you have succeeded, go home and bake in the adrenaline rush. You probably be getting a few shakes here and there, that's normal and plus you probably also be feeling way more 'alive'!

Note - just don't make a habit outta this......

[jafar]

Make it one of your 'must do's' before you die or at least you hit fifty..

I can hit fifty in first :doh:

[DUCATI*HARD]

Cool , so you will be comming to the BBQ then ? :devil2:


im actually off for a blast out to corro,hope yous have a good one tho!:Punk:

[jafar]

im actually off for a blast out to corro,hope yous have a good one tho!:Punk:

Have fun on the coro loop :woohoo:

[vifferman]

You obviously need a ZX-10R.

They have digital speedos.

:woohoo:
So does the Vtec VFR800 (with very large numerals).
One of the reasons the vifferbabe liked it (she could see what speed I was doing by looking over my shoulder).

Shit, so when I've accidentally not noticed a cop and take a side road just to be safe, I'm doing a runner? I thought a runner is when the lights are flashing behind you and then you hoon off?
Hmmm...
I guess that's true.
If I hadn't known I was speeding (and I wasn't totally sure until they pulled me over), then it wouldn't have been an extra naughtiness.
As long as they didn't ping me while I was accelerating away.


Funny thing is though, for all my years of riding, I allways knew the revs per gear that I needed to do the 50km/hr around populated areas.
I sorta knew I was speeding.
That's why I looked in the mirror to see what was going on behind me.
I know when I'm not speeding, coz it feels like ....
Teen spirit?
:no:
Feels like making love...?
:no:
Feels like a natural woman?
:no:
Feels like heaven to me?
:no:

Feels like :zzzz:

Yeah, that's the one.

But everything else feels like :woohoo:

:doh: :Police:

[Monkeyboy]

Just pay the flipin ticket! :spanking:

I got one for doing 63 in a 50 in my car. From memory my kids were playing up in the back seat at the time, no doubt I wasn't paying attention. I got the ticket in the post and I paid it.

One more ticket sonny jim and you'll be off 'road!!!!:weep:

You do a runner and you'll either die, get eaten by a police dog or get rodgered by Mr Big in the joint:blink:

[peasea]

Fuck it!
Only two blocks from home, and I spot a mufti cop going the other way, and he looks too interested in me. So, I slow down, and meander along, hoping I wasn't speeding and/or he didn't clock me if I was. Eventually, I see the flashy light thingoes in my mirrors and pull over, a mere 50m from my house. $170 and 35 demerits later and I'm REALLY pissed off - at him, at me, and at not going for it. By the time the car had performed a safe u-turn and caught up (coz it wasn't motoring), I could've ben safe in my gargre. Or down the neighbour's driveway.
Although I'm normally an advocate of "do the crime, pay the fine", in this case I wish I'd been more naughty. That's 70 points in the last coupla munce, and $340. I can't afford either.

The benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing; you should have done the runner. Now plead not guilty and make the tosser work for it.

[Swoop]

So I assume that you live in a superb,...
Any suburb, with a VFR in it, is superb!

(should have used the excuse "I was waiting for the conditions to change, so that I could reduce my speed"...)

[vifferman]

Any suburb, with a VFR in it, is superb!
Well, there's a 2007 VFR800 just up the road (dunno where Eggs Zachary), a '98 VFR800 around the corner (another part-time KBer), and I was following a 96 VFR750 just a matter of seconds before The Ticket Incident.

[Swoop]

Well, there's a 2007 VFR800 just up the road (dunno where Eggs Zachary), a '98 VFR800 around the corner (another part-time KBer), and I was following a 96 VFR750 just a matter of seconds before The Ticket Incident.
PARADISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rockon::yes:

[vifferman]

PARADISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rockon::yes:
Almost.
There's cops y'know!


Our neighbour (he's a goodun) is largely responsible for the cop presence. He phones 'em if there's naughtiness, and they Do a Blitz.
He usually lets me know. :confused:
Perhaps he fergot...

[iwilde]

If your gonna do it, do it! Best not to debate these things as to much as over thinking a problem can cause you to hesitate which could lead to a bigger fuck up than paying up for a ticket. At the end of the day, did you speed? Then it is the cops business to sort you out, thats his job weather you like it or not.

[Mom]

Our neighbour (he's a goodun) is largely responsible for the cop presence. He phones 'em if there's naughtiness, and they Do a Blitz.
He usually lets me know. :confused:
Perhaps he fergot...


Dont read too much into it mate..........you were speeding, you got pinged.

I have had it pointed out tonight, i should not cast stones, so....

I'm admitting (is this a bit like AA) to having exceeded the speed limit more than once, a brief check on my license will show you that. Currently I have a no point history :niceone:

[jafar]

Dont read too much into it mate..........you were speeding, you got pinged.

I have had it pointed out tonight, i should not cast stones, so....

I'm admitting (is this a bit like AA) to having exceeded the speed limit more than once, a brief check on my license will show you that. Currently I have a no point history :niceone:

But they don't give the 'triumph accessory 'points when the rider gets pinged :doh:

[mitchilin]

its a bloody mufti car.You didn't "see him" is a valid excuse.If you made it home safe,whats he gonna do?Ticket in the post at the worst.

[rphenix]

Fuck it!
Only two blocks from home, and I spot a mufti cop going the other way, and he looks too interested in me. So, I slow down, and meander along, hoping I wasn't speeding and/or he didn't clock me if I was. Eventually, I see the flashy light thingoes in my mirrors and pull over, a mere 50m from my house. $170 and 35 demerits later and I'm REALLY pissed off - at him, at me, and at not going for it. By the time the car had performed a safe u-turn and caught up (coz it wasn't motoring), I could've ben safe in my gargre. Or down the neighbour's driveway.
Although I'm normally an advocate of "do the crime, pay the fine", in this case I wish I'd been more naughty. That's 70 points in the last coupla munce, and $340. I can't afford either.

Sucks ey! I had one do similar to me a week or so back except I did flick the gas on and did disappear up the drive way so nothing happened, I also wasn't doing anything bad at the time, license on me and bike all legal but I guess something could have been invented... My main reason for doing it was it was wet and I didnt feel like standing around in the rain watching the bike seat get wet when im soo close to home...

I never would try it though if I had the whole lights flashing thing i.e. "failing to stop" but I figure till the lights/sirens are going theres no harm trying to disappear.

[pritch]

Condolences re the fine but more so for the points.
It seems you have reached the point where you have just two options:
A) Buy a radar detector and learn how to use it, or
B) Buy a Harley :devil2:

[vifferman]

I was thinking about inflation and shit.
Just now.
I got my first ticket in 1974 - 41mph in a 30. That's like 72km/h in a 50 like today.:whistle:
I wrote in to the judge, and got fined $10, plus I had to do a Defensive Gardening Course. No bonus points, because the MOT couldn't afford such fancy things.

My next ticket (when I was doing around 75mph in a 30 zone), was $16 for 8 mph over, instant fine, lucky the microwave was being used to cook the cop's pie, so it was on manual.
Now, in 1974, my bike cost $600 secondhand. It was a mighty red CB175. I was working after school / in holidays for $0.80/hour. Gas cost $0.80/tankful, and got me exactly 85 miles. (For you flash modern metric blokes and blokesses, that's around $0.11/litre or summat.)
Fast forward to my next ticket (kinda irrelevant, coz it was for no mirror) in 1977. $13, and I 'earned' $27/week as a student.
Fast forward to my next speeding ticket, in 2004 or whenever the fook it was.
Basically the same bike: a red Honda, still a twin cylinder, still two wheels, still has crappy camchains. Has now evolved up the alphabetic chain into a VTR. Cost me $8k, my salary 30 years laters is now around $0.80 a millisecond, but lets call it $25.00/hour.

Hokay. You still with me?
Speeding ticket: 32km/h over = $300, or $10 per km/h. 40 Fly Buy points.
If we ignore the value of the Frequent Flyer points (coz they expired so I didn't save enough to get a bus ticket), what do we have (apart from another obscenely large Gummint surplus)?
Lets see... (cue some dodgy maths, coz it's late and there's no calculator on #3's gaming computer, and I only scored 96% for School Cert maths):
Petrol: about 1500% increase
Wages: Hmmm... I was Minimum Wage Slave Monkey then, so that's $11.50 now? That's 1450% more.
Bike: Gee... 1333% inflation, but the bike was also 510% inflated too! In displacement and maybe power.
Fines: Hmmm... I can't Ack Shirley compare those, since it was a different price bracket, but coincidentally, today's adventure was the same speed (cue spooky Twlight Zone theme music) and cost $170, and coincidentally, the fines haven't increased since 2004, and neither has my salary! :woohoo:
So that's $7.72/km for the fine, which compares with $0.91/km in 1974.
That's 1700% increase.
But I got off cheap with the first one - the going rate for a Spot Prize was $1.24/km, so it's really only 622% increase.

So - guess what?

In relative terms, tickets today are cheaper than in 1974, and we now get Frequent Flyer points!
Yay!! :banana::clap::woohoo:

But we're only allowed to save up 100 points. :crybaby:

Against that, there are now secret quotas so it's harder to talk your way out of a ticket.


As you were.

[vifferman]

Condolences re the fine but more so for the points.
It seems you have reached the point where you have just two options:
A) Buy a radar detector and learn how to use it, or
B) Buy a Harley :devil2:
It's funny you should say that.
I was following our semi-mystery M109 rider again tonight, and I thought (again) "Man, that's a nice bike!"

[peasea]

Mate, you have done some sums that bring tears of laughter to my eyes; good on ya.

I always thought I was hard done-by as a lowly apprentice back in the 70's, fined for having WAAAAYYYY too much fun....Now? I don't give a shit, pay the fuckers what they want and carry on. Yes, it's a bargain, it doesn't slow us down, it isn't likely that it ever will. Why? Coz it's bollocks, that's why.

If all the speeding fines I've had (and I added up to about ten grand back in the mid-nineties, gave up after that) mean that I'm a danger to myself and the community then I should be dead a thousand times over, along with half the North Island.

It's all so much b/s and to have good coppers (who are our friends, dont forget) dragged off more important shite to dish out such fines only confirms the (conspiracy) theory that it's 'all about the money'.

A thousand thank-you's for the monetary/era comparisons.

Let's all do runners, see how they like it.

[canarlee]

i read the first page of this thread (cant be assed to read the rest) and i am thinking "why the fuck did a silly joke that i posted *and got a full infracture for* get put in pd and this lives???"


oh well



"vifferman" take it where is meant to be put and stop whinging, fuck you lot give poms stick for being "whingers".................................................. ....???

[peasea]

i read the first page of this thread (cant be assed to read the rest) and i am thinking "why the fuck did a silly joke that i posted *and got a full infracture for* get put in pd and this lives???"


oh well



"vifferman" take it where is meant to be put and stop whinging, fuck you lot give poms stick for being "whingers".................................................. ....???

I'm a pom and I don't whinge, nor do I whinge about whingers. (New Zealand is a lovely country and the police are our friends.) However, you appear to be whinging; are you a Pom? If so, are you whinging about your 'infracture' and how did your fracture get in?

[scumdog]

I never gave him the ticket, haven't given out one since the week before last.

And yes, I HAVE been at work lately.

Had a similar incident to Mr v's once.

Dude was known to me, DID do a runner. EDIT: HE did the runner, I never followed.

I just posted him the ticket.

I later heard his jaw just about hit the deck two days later when he got the 'mail'.

"Fuggit, I thought I'd got away with it, f'kn smart prick that bastard" were his words so I was told.

[peasea]

I never gave him the ticket, haven't given out one since the week before last.

And yes, I HAVE been at work lately.

Had a similar incident to Mr v's once.

Dude was known to me, DID do a runner. EDIT: HE did the runner, I never followed.

I just posted him the ticket.

I later heard his jaw just about hit the deck two days later when he got the 'mail'.

"Fuggit, I thought I'd got away with it, f'kn smart prick that bastard" were his words so I was told.

You've been drinking, haven't you?

[scumdog]

You've been drinking, haven't you?

Nup.
Just home from work.

You should read what I put on here when I HAVE been drinking.

[peasea]

Nup.
Just home from work.

You should read what I put on here when I HAVE been drinking.

I can't make sense of what you say when your sober.
Perhaps it's a 'profession' thing.

[scumdog]

I can't make sense of what you say when your sober.
Perhaps it's a 'profession' thing.

Yer, that's it.

I'm very 'professional' ya know.

[peasea]

Yer, that's it.

I'm very 'professional' ya know.

Actually, I don't know; not knowing is what motivates me. I'm a seeker, I question everything.

I'm doing battle on Friday with a lying cop. That should be interesting. I doubt I'll win, but hey, at least I'll have the satisfaction of knowing who's telling the truth.

[scumdog]

I'll have the satisfaction of knowing who's telling the truth.


You don't know already? (Sheesh, are you a worry or what.)

Have YOU been drinking??

[peasea]

You don't know already? (Sheesh, are you a worry or what.)

Have YOU been drinking??


I thought I'd make something up come Friday.
Yes I have, but not enough to be a policeman.

Tell you what; this guy has lied in his submission to the PCA, I know wat he said on the day. I was there, it was 8.00am, Easter Monday, beautiful day etc. I was in fine fettle and recall the whole thing with absolute accuracy; he's lied. That REALLY fucks me off.
Ticket? Fine? Whatever....

Lies? That changes everything.

[The Tazman]

Bud, if you are speeding... then you are his business.

Running could have ended in a tragedy... you just never know what might have come your way as you raced off to avoid the police. And if you crashed then we would all be attending your funeral or sending you flowers in hospital.

You did the right thing by taking it like a man and not running like an idiot. If you ran and he caught you, you would be done for failing to stop and who knows what else.... far worse than a mere ticket for speed.

The thing here is that the way the police are behaving is making people start to think about doing a runner. Because they have had all reason taken from them and made into robots to boost their funds it is pissing people off to this irrational thinking!!!!!!!!!!

If they spent as much time getting the muppets off the road that really can't drive and training new ones so they can drive we'd have the safest roads in the world!!!! BUT that doesn't make money so it will never happen unless people start to snap and do silly things and then they'll have to sit up and take another look at it.

Sorry to hear you got done by the revenue gatherer Viffer

[Sanx]

Transcript follows:
Sir - do you know why I've interrupted your commute and made you late home?
No fargin idea - please elucidate if you would be so kind. But then if you were kind, you wouldn't have interfered with my lawful and pleasant journey.
Well, Sir, you were doing 72km/h, and that's very naughty. Now how do you want it? My partner there's horny, but he won't give me a bit; perhaps you would like to come back to the car and "see the speed on the zappy thing?"
What fargingood would that do, Mr Plod - that doesn't prove anything (and these pants are hard to remove in a hurry). Does it have the date and time?
Ahm.. no Sir. But my offer still stands. And you were the only blue bike going 72 just now.
What what what - does it have a picture of a blue bike on it then?!?
No, it doesn't. But I'm prepared to stand up in a court of law and say it was you.
Then I'm screwed - they're not going to believe a motorcyclist over a police oroficer then, are they?
Here - look at this - see how close the lines'n'numbers are together? It's really easy to be 2.3mm over that number there when you're busy watching where you're going instead of staring at the speedo!
Well, just take this as a "not so friendly" reminder to take more care. Now about that bummaging - if you're not too buggered already..?


Welcome to the NZ justice system, where 'innocent until proven guilty' no longer applies...

[Coyote]

Any suburb, with a VFR in it, is superb!

To be honest, I'm not really enjoying mine.

Suppose I have been happy for a few months now, it was about time I did something stupid that begins to eat away at my mental health. Next time I'll buy from a dealer...

[Toaster]

The thing here is that the way the police are behaving is making people start to think about doing a runner. Because they have had all reason taken from them and made into robots to boost their funds it is pissing people off to this irrational thinking!!!!!!!!!!

If they spent as much time getting the muppets off the road that really can't drive and training new ones so they can drive we'd have the safest roads in the world!!!! BUT that doesn't make money so it will never happen unless people start to snap and do silly things and then they'll have to sit up and take another look at it.

Sorry to hear you got done by the revenue gatherer Viffer

What is irrational about having one rule for all and having a speed limit?

Would you prefer your own open slather on the roads and allow the cops to decide individually what speed level to start giving tickets out at?

I hear what you are getting at and I do sympathise, but quite simply, the speed limits are there to protect us from unreasonably dangerous speeders and have to be set at a level to apply to all - even you shock horror!

I would like to see some limits higher in places and more police discretion too, but then that just blurs the line beyond 'fairness' to all and would likely create more complaints than the current no discretion rule above 10+ km/h and 5+ around schools or towing trailers.

I agree that driver training in NZ is very poor. All they do is teach you how to pass a basic test, not how to drive with thought and skill.

Dont get too obsessed with cops and speed enforcement - they are doing a job that needs to be done in a driver culture of "me first, I am better than everyone else so why ticket me"..... if you ever saw the list of infringements given out you would find a huge number are also issued for red and amber light runners and a large number of other behaviour offences I can't be bothered listing or I would be here all morning.... and it does make a lot of money - none of which goes to police.

[craigs288]

or be very very good, and never ever kill anyone ever again?
Hmmm... decisions, decisions...


Just keep killing on a regular basis. But be more careful about it. The shitty feelings will pass and you will be back to your old self before you know it.

[vifferman]

Phark, I'm tired.
That ticket upset me more than any of the other ones I've had, so I didn't sleep well tonight.
Luckily :confused: it was raining this morning, so I had an excuse not to ride the VFR, and took the Fart Pantso instead. It's possible to get a ticket in that (and there were SO many polices around this morning), but you have to work at it.

After much mulling it over and all that, I'm glad I didn't do a runner, but I'm still pissed off. Yes, the ticket was fair, but there's a whole philosophical debate I don't really want to get into about it. Like, the laws of the land are supposed to be a reflection of the will of the people. Yet if you look at the number of tickets handed out each year, it's obvious the majority of people do NOT stick to the speed limits (either that, or there a re a very few people who get a lot of tickets).

Anyhow, I forgot some comparative shit I was going to post last night, that some of you bike-riding weirdos may be interested in.

Y'remember (or not - if you're like canarlee) that my first bike cost $600 (I paid too much, like all my bikes/cars), petrol was 40 cents a gallon, and fines were what seemed like a pathetic $2/mph over the limit?
Here's some other 1974 prices. IIRC.
Helmet: Star open-face - $23 Shoeis were around $40, but were actually car helmets, not designed specifically for bikes.
Jacket: Leather = $47, plus $6 for a fleece liner Mummy sewed in. If it was really wet, I wore my oilskin raincoat instead.
Pants: jeans. I had some kewl Line7 waterproof pants (vinyl) of the same sort as worn by the bike cops, designed especially for bikers, but I can't remember what they cost. Probably under $20.
Gloves: Leather gauntlets, with what was probably vinyl on the top bit. Not waterproof, no armour or double-thickness overlays. About $7 or $8. I wore them only if it was really cold or raining.
Boots: :spudwhat: I wore shoes, or jandals if it was hot. My first pair of boots were in 1976, and they were army-style lace-up ones, which I wore dirt-biking, otherwise not. Sometimes I wore gummies on the road. I can't remember what they cost, but they were cheap.

Guess what? When I wrote off my first bike, I was wearing jandals, jeans, leather jacket, and my brand-new Star helmet. It was summer (Christmas Day, 1975) so it was hot. I got a few cuts (9 stitches in my right knee) and bruises, and much abuse from the A&E staff. I got off pretty lightly, considering I t-boned a car at about 65 km/h. I think my jeans were somewhat toasted, but my other "safety gear" was umarked. Luckily, I did the "somersault and splat", rather than the "slide and shred". :blank:

My next bike was an MT250 Elsinore, which cost $1049 new in 1975. I paid $750 for a secondhand one with piston-slap. The guy selling it thought I didn't know it had piston-slap, or what it was, but I knew, it went OK, so I didn't care.

This all sounds really silly from the perspective of 32 years later, but that's just the way things were back then.

[Toaster]

Welcome to the NZ justice system, where 'innocent until proven guilty' no longer applies...

If only!!!...
Look at all the career criminals in filling our courts daily and wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on legal aid for their 50th or 100th burglary or theft or assault or whatever..... guilty as sin, yet they fight it every step of the way and make the taxpayer pay for their defence, and their prosecution, and their penalty...

...and then they get out and do it again and again and again.... oh and we pay for their sickness benefits, DPB, unemployment benefits and goodness knows what else... hardship grants and food vouchers all while they spend it on takaways and booze, drugs and nothing useful for their kids... who will most likely end up in court themselves, eventually.

Talk about scum around the pulg hole of the drain on society!!

[MSTRS]

... the way things were back then.

How ever did we survive? Must have been the thick pelts we Neanderthals sported when we were kings....

[discotex]

if you ever saw the list of infringements given out you would find a huge number are also issued for red and amber light runners and a large number of other behaviour offences I can't be bothered listing or I would be here all morning.... and it does make a lot of money - none of which goes to police.

I'd like to believe it but having lived/worked in Auckland CBD and watched literally thousands of people run red lights with impunity I'm not convinced.

In the last 5 years I've seen one person pulled for running a red in front of a cop (out of dozens where a police car has been at the intersection) and that was a biker cop who was staking out the Pitt St/K Rd intersection.

I can't ride more than 5km in Auckland without seeing someone run a red. For late amber you can't make it though more than 2 sets of lights without seeing that happen.

[Toaster]

I'd like to believe it but having lived/worked in Auckland CBD and watched literally thousands of people run red lights with impunity I'm not convinced.

In the last 5 years I've seen one person pulled for running a red in front of a cop (out of dozens where a police car has been at the intersection) and that was a biker cop who was staking out the Pitt St/K Rd intersection.

I can't ride more than 5km in Auckland without seeing someone run a red. For late amber you can't make it though more than 2 sets of lights without seeing that happen.

That is a matter for the Auckland city cops. It is a bit beyond a joke to enforce it there now.... and also difficult and dangerous to do in a busy city intersection... hence use of red light cameras etc. Don't forget the rest of the country that doesn't have the density of traffic, making pursuit of red and amber light runners a little safer for the patrols without getting t-boned.

[timorang]

Dont get too obsessed with cops and speed enforcement - they are doing a job that needs to be done in a driver culture of "me first, I am better than everyone else so why ticket me"..... if you ever saw the list of infringements given out you would find a huge number are also issued for red and amber light runners and a large number of other behaviour offences I can't be bothered listing or I would be here all morning.... and it does make a lot of money - none of which goes to police.

I was informed by a senior police officer (a friend) that while they do not directly recieve the revenue generated by traffic fines, their annual budget has a sizeable component that is determined by the revenue generated by fines. More fines = more budget. semantics - I think it is called "profit share". nuf said.

[_Gina_]

No, the question is, "Should I have made a run for it?"
But since you're so curious, I was riding home, minding my own business.
The cop shoulda minded his.

Just for shits n giggles I will share this with you Viffer.

I had the same thought run through my mind recently and chose the other other white meat.

Suffice to say that later once I realised it was an ambulance not a cop, I couldn't stop laughing and it ruined the rest of my ride.

So maybe you shoulda run, you'll never know how successful or embarrassed you might have been should you have.
:D

[discotex]

That is a matter for the Auckland city cops. It is a bit beyond a joke to enforce it there now.... and also difficult and dangerous to do in a busy city intersection... hence use of red light cameras etc. Don't forget the rest of the country that doesn't have the density of traffic, making pursuit of red and amber light runners a little safer for the patrols without getting t-boned.

Yeah totally agree on the cameras. I heard a trial was starting up sometime soon so fingers crossed! Even a junior cop standing at the intersection videoing and posting tickets would be good start though.

[vifferman]

Speaking of "junior cops", the guy who gave me a ticket looked so young! (Like the same age as my son! :confused:)
And he got out of the car with a huge grin on his face, which really pissed me off! He was probably just a friendly, smiley sort of bloke, or maybe he was nervous, but it didn't help. The last two cops were serious, but friendly and matter-of-fact, and that was good.

The thing that really pisses me off is cops that take it personally and get all lecturey and school-marmish.

Or my 'favourite': about seven years ago, I had a bike cop pull up along side me (after doing the same thing to another guy lane-splitting just in front of me. This guy just went off: red-faced, frothing at the mouth, etc. I couldn't understand what he was yammering on about, or what his problem was, but some of what he said was, "If you rode like a proper motorcyclist instead of a dickhead, you wouldn't give the rest of us a bad name!"
:crazy:
:spudwhat:
:wacko:

I've replayed this dozens of times in my non-proper motorcyclist head, and I've still no phargin idea what he was on about. :weird:

[Toaster]

Speaking of "junior cops", the guy who gave me a ticket looked so young!

Yeah mate, they are recruiting very very young and inexperienced people into the police - that is not all bad in itself but it doesn't make it easy for the newbies. Shame really... if they spent more on retention and keeping good experienced mature cops then people like me would have loved to stay in the job. Living in Auckland on a cops wage is not easy.

[I_R_SQUID]

Theres a good idea , run & lead them back to where you live :clap:

IF you ever intend on doing a runner in this kind of situation NEVER run straight home:nono:.

Depends on the situation. If you are a smart bugger and make sure you have 'changed your fairings' at some stage (hypothetically speaking) then your bike would HAVE to be unfortunately registered as a different colour to what you might be riding.
Then when they ask comms about local 'blue bikes' that may or may not have fucked off down a sidestreet they find the nearest registered one is 5k away....


Best situation (and damn it's a fun one suprisingly) is when you're going at some slightly stupid speed on a nice modern bike past a piggy. Whoops. Well.. at ***+ he ain't catching crap unless you slow down for at least 10 seconds, keep going and bugger off outta the area.

Time and a place for everything mate... In that situation knowing local roads properly I would have gone for it if I were you - local territory, superior vehicle and a cool set of nerves and you'd have been very sweet. You would have had to change helmet/gear, ditch the bike or streetfighter it for a few weeks though.

At this rate you will probably have to do it one day - keep ya nerves around you, ride at 70-80% (you will smoke them easy) pretend its a video game or whatever works for you to take your mind off it (lol). Bugger off outta the area/hide up real quick then slow down and keep off the road as much as possible. Parks, footbridges, footpaths and narrow paths are your friend if things get tough or you make a mistake. It's not too hard on a 250 to do if you have the skill, let alone a big bike. People have done runners on scooters in the CBD many a time. Mainly couriers :)

Squid it up... you can out accel them and corner with similar speed or more depending on bike, abilities and conditions. You can make gaps you'd walk through... etc.

Pre-preparation...
Bend your plate or obscure it with a bike chain/reg etc to make it harder to see. Use brake light as your plate light (get a tail tidy thingy or DIY). You can't really read bike plates from more than about 40-50m i find, and much less when 'tampered'. Try to keep it kosher so if a cop if behind you in traffic he won't pull you for it. Usually you want to avoid it being all visible side on around 30 degrees, similar angle to a speed camera.... Use your imagination...

In Auckland you'll usually have a minimum of 5 mins till the chopper gets there if it's up and somewhere else. If on the ground you're sweet. That is unless it's already in the area in which case you should have not run and you are probably screwed. Tip... if you're riding over the speed limit for a decent period of time (aka high chance of someone wanting to chat to you) check for choppers...

Obey the road rules if it's raining (I ride like a nana in the wet)... taking a chance with a oil splotch or missing a braking point is a lot harder to save in the wet if you do a runner.

I haven't been pulled in 2 years now, 'cus I'm an angel... one day I may get owned though. Who knows.

To the PC group: 'Darwin' - Get the fuck over it. If I fuck myself up or fuck someone else up, run a kid over/whatever - that's just how the cookie crumbled, crying afterwards, bleating and making threads doesn't change jack diddly squat. Just the usual story when police pursuits turn bad - often they go for longer than they should, with both police and runner putting people in danger. Check some of the police chases on youtube.. some dangerous stuff from both parties, even from the POLICE THAT I WOULDN'T DO.
Obviously when doing a runner you will try to minimise risks to yourself and others whilst doing so - but if it goes pear shape, you have to live with it if you're still alive.

In short: do it if you know right away that you can make it. If you are unsure, don't bother. Don't make your mind up for 5 seconds while he's doing a u-turn - you'll probably panic and screw something up big time.

Good on ya for bringing the issue up though. Go hard next time if the gods permit!

[jrandom]

Usual non-PC runner advice...

:corn:
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[GIXser]

Don't think. Go!

right on, ya have a split second to make a choice and calculate various scenarios,
i usually start thinking about the scenarios over a beer later....:eek:

in saying all that , if ya were taking it too far (which obviously you were not given the small fine) but there are some instances were a ticket is deserved , ie endangering others lives and shit or just being a complete idiot....

[vifferman]

Bad luck? Bad timing? Dramatic irony? Just the way life is?

Almost exactly 24 hours after getting pinged for cruising at 72 km/h. some WANKER is doing laps of the block in a hotted-up black Porsche, absolutely caning it, and no cops around.
:crazy:
He'd easily be doing licence-losing velocities... :angry2:

[Max Preload]

Dont get too obsessed with cops and speed enforcement - they are doing a job that needs to be done in a driver culture of "me first, I am better than everyone else so why ticket me"...

But ticketing speeding is still only a poor substitute for simply not refusing to give common idiot incompetent fucktards licenses, valid for well over half a century without any retesting, in the first place.

[The Tazman]

What is irrational about having one rule for all and having a speed limit?

It's not, if it was used in the right way. As in what they say it's for (road safety) rather than easy money and easy figures!!!!! As I said before, if they want to do what they say they are doing, teach people to drive and be visible in areas that are a problem rather than hiding to get the extra money and figures!!!!


Would you prefer your own open slather on the roads and allow the cops to decide individually what speed level to start giving tickets out at?

No but would like them to be more human and be able to rationalise the situation. Take Murder. It doesn't matter how you look at it the person is DEAD. No argument there right? but due to different ways of looking at it some people get life (all though that is no longer a definite!!!!) and some people get less than someone that did a minor crime!!!!!


I hear what you are getting at and I do sympathise, but quite simply, the speed limits are there to protect us from unreasonably dangerous speeders and have to be set at a level to apply to all - even you shock horror!

Oh p l e a s e It is illegal to murder/steal etc does that stop the really bad people doing it???????? No. So the real f**king morons on the road ain't going to change because of the way the police are now doing things. It's like saying the anti smacking law is going to stop the scum f**k beating his kid, it just ain't going to happen. That is the way they are and that won't change even a bit unless we start making the punishment fit the crime and even that won't stop this kind of person. All these things do is effect the good people that may make tiny mistakes!!! oh but shock horror that being human!!!!


I would like to see some limits higher in places and more police discretion too, but then that just blurs the line beyond 'fairness' to all and would likely create more complaints than the current no discretion rule above 10+ km/h and 5+ around schools or towing trailers.

Not at all, look at the way people look and treat the police now to the way they did years ago. Listen to the way Good people (including people I know that work for them) talk about them. F**k me most of my family are or have been in the police, including quite a few friends and I wanted to be (eyesight stopped that) and look at the way I'm carrying on as do many other good people. The scum f**ks are laughing as they are the only ones it's not effecting!!!!!!!!


I agree that driver training in NZ is very poor. All they do is teach you how to pass a basic test, not how to drive with thought and skill.

Couldn't agree more


Dont get too obsessed with cops and speed enforcement - they are doing a job that needs to be done in a driver culture of "me first, I am better than everyone else so why ticket me"..... if you ever saw the list of infringements given out you would find a huge number are also issued for red and amber light runners and a large number of other behaviour offences I can't be bothered listing or I would be here all morning.... and it does make a lot of money - none of which goes to police.

It's a job that needs to be done but not in the way they are doing it. Unfortunately it all comes down to money again. To solve the problem they would need to spend money!!!! Instead they use the easy option which involves making them (the government) loads of money and goes no where to solving the problem. If they actually used all the money to make things better you may have a bit more of an argument.

[vifferman]

The "solution to the road toll" is supposedly the three Es: Education, Enforcement and Engineering. But the Gummint - while taxing us to the hilt for road usage - is not interested in spending anything on sensible road engineering. The obviously most effective solution is education, yet they've done nothing about this, apart from trying to brainwash us into thinking that the problem is almost entirely exceeding motorists exceeding the speed limit (so they can justify putting all their resources into policing that).

[scumdog]

trying to brainwash us into thinking that the problem is almost entirely exceeding motorists exceeding the speed limit (so they can justify putting all their resources into policing that).

AND drink-driving and not wearing seat-belts and....but YOU only got caught speeding....:doh::laugh:

[I_R_SQUID]

Harold today: Short news piece about a cop overcooking a corner into some parked cars and a taxi.

'Driver training means we can speed and you can't.'

:2thumbsup:

OMG WHAT IF THERE WERE CHILDRENS AND NUNS IN THE CARS!!!1!1!!?!?!?!?

[scumdog]

Harold today: Short news piece about a cop overcooking a corner into some parked cars and a taxi.

'Driver training means we can speed and you can't.'

:2thumbsup:

OMG WHAT IF THERE WERE CHILDRENS AND NUNS IN THE CARS!!!1!1!!?!?!?!?


So what is your REAL KB name Mr I R SQUID??

[vifferman]

AND drink-driving and not wearing seat-belts and....but YOU only got caught speeding....:doh::laugh:
Well, true.
I must admit that I think the polis are doing a pretty good job with regards to drink-driving.

[discotex]

Well, true.
I must admit that I think the polis are doing a pretty good job with regards to drink-driving.

Pity the worst punishment you can expect is a slap with a wet bus ticket. Should be a manditory sentence for 3rd offence or if caught drink driving with a suspended licence. I'm so sick of hearing of people on their 5th+ conviction while disqualified doing 200hrs community service :mad:

[vifferman]

'Driver training means we can speed and you can't.'

Something which irks me (just as a matter of logic) is that in three of the five speeding tickets I've had over the last 34 years, I momentarily exceeded the speed limit (twice from inattention, and once to pass), then slowed down again. Potential danger aspect: nil.
In two cases, the polis drove much faster AND for longer in order to make sure I didn't get away with my murderous actions and to "give me a not-so-friendly reminder that I was exceeding the speed limit." In the other case, on a very busy road (where I overtook in a passing lane), the polis took many kilometres to catch me, solely because the traffic was heavy, and other motorists had to get out of his way. I'm sure they took care in each case and drove very skilfully, but my point is this: the ultimate purpose of road rules is to make the road safe for motorists. Chasing people at speeds above the speed limit for extended periods/distances is potentially hypocritical as it poses more danger than the 'crime' itself, especially if the criminal is no longer speeding.
In the latest instance, I went, "Oh crap - I think I was going a bit fast, and slowed down" (presumably the desired outcome). Chasing and punishing me did enrich the Gummint's bulging coffers, but did nothing to further road safety or to change my attitude (apart from making me somewhat paranoid and very resentful).
Did I deserve to be punished? Well, I was breaking a law. Momentarily, and with regard to the conditions (if the conditions had changed, with children, pets or traffic around, I would've slowed down).

[vifferman]

Pity the worst punishment you can expect is a slap with a wet bus ticket. Should be a manditory sentence for 3rd offence or if caught drink driving with a suspended licence. I'm so sick of hearing of people on their 5th+ conviction while disqualified doing 200hrs community service :mad:
I worked on a farm with a repeat drink-driver years ago. He was a nice guy (apart from being an irresponsible dick). He'd been caught drink-driving for the third time, and was quite matter-of-fact about it: "I'll probably get a fine, another disqualification, and a short sentence". He was right, and spent two or three weeks in Waikeria.
"How was it?", I asked on his release.
"Oh - pretty much the same as here, except the pay was less, and we got food and board. The only bad thing is my son got hassled at school coz his dad was a jail-bird".

This guy also kept driving while disqualified: "It's OK. If you get caught driving while disqualified, it's no big deal, unless you've been drinking. They don't like that!"

[jrandom]

the unbearable lightness of viffer

You, sir, need to come to a MotoTT trackday with me.

[scumdog]

This guy also kept driving while disqualified: "It's OK. If you get caught driving while disqualified, it's no big deal, unless you've been drinking. They don't like that!"


Of course there's the minor inconvenience of having the car towed away from under your arse and the comensurate costs - not just to the Govt but there's payment to be arranged with the tow company - and nowadays the likelihood of loss of said vehicle.
But in principle I agree - the penalty is not up there with the offence.

i.e. 1st & 2nd time for DIC the fine CAN be as high as $4,500, - when was the last time anybody heard of a 1st or 2nd time offender getting even a ONE thousand doller fine?

[Reckless]

i'm joining your club Viffer. Got a damn ticket in the cage yesterday. Bloody 66k in a 50. Fair cop I was going the same speed as all the traffic around me. He must just seen the "pick me" plate on the front. But i was in the wrong that I admit (not to him though, told him 52k with a smile). He said he'd first got me at 75k but second push of the button it was66k, yes, I had seen him but wasn't quite quick enough. He was good about it, told me Manukau have a no tolerance policy. Oh well $120 bucks and 20 demerits. But I'm a bit like you Viffer usually truckin around a bit fast. Not stupid fast but 66- 70, I suppose as proved by the ticket.

My Point is!
I thought DAMN!!! I must put my radar detector back in the bloody ute! And maybe that might be a good investment for you considering your demerit situation. You could have bought one with the fines already paid. I found they are quite good. Even the false alerts make you button off a bit, mines a bit old so I get a few (Uniden Stalker). And there presence makes you a bit more aware of your speed. Constant reminder type thing.

Just an idea for you to put on your radar (so to speak).

[vifferman]

You could have bought one [a radar detector] with the fines already paid.
There's a reason I don't have one: for around 30 years, I had no (zero, zip, nada) tickets of any kind (parking, speed-camera, etc.) So I figured it was a waste of money, unless I spent all my time driving like a loon, instead of just the occasional naughtiness (at the right time and place). I guess I viewed it as "a symbol of an intention to break laws on a regular basis".
Now things have changed, because I'm now in the position where I can't afford to get any more points, and I realise it's very difficult to NOT break the speed limit. Hell, in D'Auckland it's true to say almost everyone speeds. The previous ticket I got, the pragmatic officer seemd to recognise this, when he said "keep it under 60 and you should be OK". Yesterday, driving the Fart Pantso, I discovered that is almost impssible. Not only does it feel like you're in a time warp, but all the other traffic goes much faster! :eek:

I am seriously considering selling my bike. If it wasn't for the fact I have a nice new rear shock on the way, I probably would've advertised it already. :blink:

[scumdog]

I am seriously considering selling my bike. If it wasn't for the fact I have a nice new rear shock on the way, I probably would've advertised it already. :blink:

Now I wouldn't expect YOU to wimp out like that....:no:

[Reckless]

I agree with you totally!
But Times have changed Viffer. I get stuff all tickets as well, same as you. We must ride/drive similarly.
But they are into revenue gathering now, have budgets to achieve, so you have to arm yourself with the tools to remind you to keep a eye on your speed and warn you if you don't. As I say they are a constant reminder as well, try looking at it from that point of view. A saftey device!!

Anyway $500-00 Radar detector, will pay for itself, and its a shit load better than selling the bike. Up to you buddy, but I know what I'd do!!

[vifferman]

It could be the "too much commuting" syndrome, accompanied by early senility.:blank:

[Blackbird]

I am seriously considering selling my bike. If it wasn't for the fact I have a nice new rear shock on the way, I probably would've advertised it already. :blink:

Ian,
You'd be an impossibly grumpy old bastard if you sold the bike rather than being just a regular grumpy bastard, so don't do it:laugh:. Far from a detector being an implied intention to speed with impunity, it's actually made me more edgy. I'm very selective about the "when and where" these days. Soooo... keep your bike, get a good detector with the approval of Management and keep smiling:niceone:

[vifferman]

Ian,
Soooo... keep your bike, get a good detector with the approval of Management and keep smiling:niceone:
:killingme
"So, you waste $340 on fines, and you want to spend $500 on a radar detector as well?!? :oi-grr: Why don't you just slow down!!"
She desperately wants to go to Urp next year. Any other expenditure (apart from bling, of course) is taken as personal sabotage of her goals.

[discotex]

i.e. 1st & 2nd time for DIC the fine CAN be as high as $4,500, - when was the last time anybody heard of a 1st or 2nd time offender getting even a ONE thousand doller fine?

Or paying said fine. Seems pretty easy to convert unpaid fines into community service..

[Blackbird]

:killingme
"So, you waste $340 on fines, and you want to spend $500 on a radar detector as well?!? :oi-grr: Why don't you just slow down!!"
She desperately want to go to Urp next year. Any other expenditure (apart from bling, of course) is taken as personal sabotage of her goals.

Ummm.. that line of reasoning is not unknown in the James household either and a laser jammer was not approved as it was regarded as an overt aid to intentional lawbreaking. The detector was grudgingly accepted as being "warning only". I'm sure an enterprising person such as your good self will find a way, especially as it's your equivalent of bling:rolleyes:

[Reckless]

:killingme
"So, you waste $340 on fines, and you want to spend $500 on a radar detector as well?!? :oi-grr: Why don't you just slow down!!"
She desperately want to go to Urp next year. Any other expenditure (apart from bling, of course) is taken as personal sabotage of her goals.

Tell her you can't slow down and if you don't have your daily fix of adreniline/speed you'll want sex everyday and be very grumpy if you don't get it. She should look on the detector as an onboard councilor. AND a great investment in gauranteeing that future funds stay in the bank for the trip she so richly deserves for being so wonderful!!!.

oh shit that must have been a Tui moment.

PS just buy it and tell her its Not mine! they must have delivered it to the wrong address and seeing its here you might aswell test it out!

OH shit just sell the bloody bike!!!!

[vifferman]

it's your equivalent of bling:rolleyes:
"Roll eyes" indeed.
Lessee... bling haul for 2007:
vifferbabe = $6k + (plus some more "+" in the form of some diamond earrings that are currently in the gestation stage...)
Vifferman = $0
Unless you count a new helmet ($480), to replace my poor-fitting, secondhand, crash-tested AGV, or the bike porn currently being manufactured deep in the wilds of Canadia ($1k, including freight)?

It's a mystery to me, and the game commences, for the usual fee, plus expenses... :blank:

Sorry... it's a mystery to me how it works. I know for a fact, that if I wanted some 'real' bling, like a diamond-encrusted ring or summat, that we'd be off to the jewellers in a flash. But things that are dear to my heart, like some front suspension work, or a jacket to replace my 7-year-old Teknic, or some new glubs to replace the crappy Dri-Rider ones that I've (pointedly) repaired three times now, it's :oi-grr:.

:spudwhat: :pinch:

But, on the other hand, I just had luntz with the vifferbabe, and afterwards she did mention having another biking holiday. (As long - of course - that it doesn't eat into the "saving for Urp" thing, or use up too many valuable holiday days that could be squirreled away for the Urpeen vacation.)

[jrandom]

It's a mystery to me, and the game commences, for the usual fee, plus expenses...

Oddly enough, I am, as I read your post just now, listening to an MP3 of 'Private Investigations'.

Co inky dinks are fun.

[vifferman]

Oddly enough, I am, as I read your post just now, listening to an MP3 of 'Private Investigations'.

Co inky dinks are fun.
Oooohh.... spoooky.....:confused:

[Ocean1]

Oddly enough, I am, as I read your post just now, listening to an MP3 of 'Private Investigations'.

Co inky dinks are fun.

Now, see, that just don't work for me.

The heavy stuff just aint right unless delivered by something capable of moderate tectonic disturbance. My old rig might look like something that the guys who built stonehenge would aprove of but it's still got the sub-sonic goods. Who cares if the lounge suite is in storage...

[jrandom]

Now, see, that just don't work for me.

I misrepresented slightly, there.

I don't actually use MP3s, mostly, for listening while working; I use full uncompressed audio CD images, loaded via a drive emulator. I listen through a Creative Audigy sound card (-100dB SNR on the output, so capable of cleanly outputting signals at the -96dB implied by 16 bit PCM) plus active noise-cancelling headphones with a good frequency response down to 20Hz (I know this because I wrote the software that acoustically tests them at the factory).

I'm hearing sound quality that you couldn't get in a full room system for less than about NZ$15,000.

I'm all about headphones for hi fi; I can pretty much hear Knopfler's fingers on the strings, and the breathing of the front row audience in live recordings.

:)

[Ocean1]

I'm hearing sound quality that you couldn't get in a full room system for less than about NZ$15,000.

I'm all about headphones for hi fi; I can pretty much hear Knopfler's fingers on the strings, and the breathing of the front row audience in live recordings.

:)

:doh: Bastard.

Still, we hear with more than dem ridiculous appendages on the side of our heads dude. Bet your chest don’t collapse quite as much on something like “comfortably numb”.

[jrandom]

Bet your chest don’t collapse quite as much on something like “comfortably numb”.

Yes, you can't beat a proper full-range system and a complete lack of embarrassment about what the neighbours might think.

:eek:

[Ocean1]

Yes, you can't beat a proper full-range system and a complete lack of embarrassment about what the neighbours might think.

:eek:

Used to be I didn't have neighbours. Now I've implimented a straegic wmd treaty, they don't bitch about the ruccus and I don't ride on their garden.

[Grahameeboy]

Oooohh.... spoooky.....:confused:

You don't have to see him in the morning

[Blackbird]

Yes, you can't beat a proper full-range system and a complete lack of embarrassment about what the neighbours might think.

:eek:

Which is what I'll be doing tomorrow with Clapton's "She's Waiting" as soon as my wife goes out for lunch with her mates :whistle: The neighbour will be out with her.

[Ocean1]

Which is what I'll be doing tomorrow with Clapton's "She's Waiting" as soon as my wife goes out for lunch with her mates :whistle: The neighbour will be out with her.

:eek: In the white room... with no curtains... at the station...

Old dude, that's what you are.

[Sanx]

Something which irks me ...
In two cases, the polis drove much faster AND for longer in order to make sure I didn't get away with my murderous actions and to "give me a not-so-friendly reminder that I was exceeding the speed limit." In the other case, on a very busy road (where I overtook in a passing lane), the polis took many kilometres to catch me, solely because the traffic was heavy, and other motorists had to get out of his way. I'm sure they took care in each case and drove very skilfully, but my point is this: the ultimate purpose of road rules is to make the road safe for motorists. Chasing people at speeds above the speed limit for extended periods/distances is potentially hypocritical as it poses more danger than the 'crime' itself, especially if the criminal is no longer speeding.

I had the same thought a while back, after watching a mufti cop spend an hour camped on my road running a speed trap. On several occasions, he (scientifically guestimated by myself) exceeded 100kph to catch the dangerous potential-murderer who had just driven past him in the opposite direction doing 65 or so. I also saw him cross the solid white line on the blind S-bend at the bottom of the road on two occasions as well.

So I took a little walk, got the car rego number, then banged on the window, got his badge number then gave him an earful for driving like a fucking maniac on a residential street at 5pm. He didn't like that much; to the point of threatening me with arrest for interfering with an officer doing his duty or wasting police time or some such spurious shit. A semi-formal complaint followed, where his arse of a Sergeant informed me that the Police were allowed to break the speed limit in order to carry out their duties. The question of how road saftey had been improved by a black commodore screaming up and down the road repeatedly at speeds close to double the limit, carefully remained unanswered, despite me asking it several times.

I made a suggestion that if speed was such a problem down this road (Sgt suggested it was - I'd lived on the road for a year and never noticed a problem) they should stick a marked car there. People slow down automatically when they see one, which achieves the goal of reducing speed far more effectively than issuing tickets. The Sgt disagreed with me, which indicated his primary aim was revenue generating, not road safety.

[vifferman]

The trouble (1) with our system (one of five in the house, not counting guitar amps) is the lounge backs onto the gargre, and the assorted crap on the shelves in the gargre falls off if I crank up the volume. :eek5:
So, I guess it's kinda fortunate that we were ignorant enough not to buy a better subwoofer and the next model up of amp, or maybe the roof tiles would be rattling off ...

The trouble (2) with our house, is the five stereos resident in it, and the two guitar amps, and the powered studio monitor speakers.

The trouble with our house (3) is there is no Noise Co-ordination Director, so it's too easy to end up with the guitar amp in the music room, the speakers in the lounge, the speakers in the dining-room, one or more of the stereos on the bedroom level, and the 300W amp or studio monitors or guitar amp in the basement all producing different noise.

The trouble with our house (4) is arriving home with no keys, some window- rattling noise rattling the windows and drowning out the doorbell ringing and frantic pounding on the windows and doors, and no-one answering their cellphone, and not being sure if anyone's home or not. And then (and then!) while you're sitting on the doorstep :mad: some fucker comes screaming down the road in his hot hatch, with the decibels at 2,793, playing some godawful crap, and it turns out to be two (2) of the residents you're trying to attract the attention of via doorbell, door knock, window pound, and cellphone call. :Oi:

"Oh... what...? Uh... I had my cellphone on silent / never answer my cellphone / couldn't hear it over the stereo. Why don't you have your keys, you dick?"
Polite little bastids...

[vifferman]

:eek: In the white room... with no curtains... at the station...

Old dude, that's what you are.
Pot... kettle... naming of names...

:doh:

Another pot... another kettle ... another old dude....
:Oops:

Funny thing is, I think one of my sons has that.

[MSTRS]

Sanx - the double-standard in action. You'd be best taking video and getting 20/20 involved.

[vifferman]

I made a suggestion that if speed was such a problem down this road ... they should stick a marked car there. People slow down automatically when they see one, which achieves the goal of reducing speed far more effectively than issuing tickets. The Sgt disagreed with me, which indicated his primary aim was revenue generating, not road safety.
I think there's a time and place for it.
Our road is popular for racers to... uh... race around. it has a t-intersection at each end, several roads going off it, and some very nice curves with nice smooth asphalt. Since we've been there, there have been lots of accidents at times, with summat like 15 in one year at one stage. Thanks to our neighbour (who's lived in the area for over 60 years), we now have "speed calming measures" in the form of pedestrian islands, one of which is right outside our house, meaning no on-street parking for us (and we've no driveway, so that suckses.)

Anyway, periodically, we have an invasion of Boi RacRs, and urban terrorists who like to wheelie up lawns and stuff. It works very well for the :Police: to quietly move in at night with unmarked cars and catch a few miscreants now and again. Word gets out, and then it's quiet again for a while. Usually they (:Police:) tell our neighbour about it, and he tells us, probably because he knows I'm a loon, and my son (#2) is a hoon.

<img src="http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~cam4/roads.jpg" /img>

BTW - this circuit is where BlackPorscheDrivingWanker was racing around last night, sans unmarked police cop car presence. :rolleyes:

Hmmm... looking at the foter, maybe I should barricade the street off, and set up a private racetrack. There's several Porsches, a Lambo, some VFRs, a De Tomaso Pantera, and the usual Boi RacR cars in the area. Much better use for it than driving semi-empty buses around or raising money for the next round of ridiculous (un)civil servant pay rises...

[pritch]

Of course there's the minor inconvenience of having the car towed away from under your arse and the comensurate costs - not just to the Govt but there's payment to be arranged with the tow company - and nowadays the likelihood of loss of said vehicle.

i.e. 1st & 2nd time for DIC the fine CAN be as high as $4,500, - when was the last time anybody heard of a 1st or 2nd time offender getting even a ONE thousand doller fine?

One Guy I know was an indefinitely disqualified driver.
He drank beer for breakfast if he had it, and routinely drove pissed and disqualified.

He hadn't worked in twenty years or more and I'm bloody sure he didn't pay any fines. He may have done some PD but in the end he got a "short custodial sentence" (either one week or one month I can't recall) and the slate was clean for him to start again.

If his car was confiscated it would cost more to tow than it was worth and he'd have another one the same in a week or two.

The politicians make the mistake of believing their own publicity, the real recidivists are substantially unaffected by any of the sanctions.

How many millions are owed in unpaid fines?

[vifferman]

The politicians make the mistake of believing their own publicity,
That's because they take themselves seriously.


the real recidivists are substantially unaffected by any of the sanctions.
Indeed not.
I suspect laws and punishment are really intended for more or less law-abiding people, who break them only accidentally or in exceptional circumstances, and therefore don't actually need to be punished anyway.
It's kind of ironic (and fargin annoying) that those people such as gang members who choose to live almost continuously outside of the law and society expect to have all the benefits of society when it suits them, and are accorded them as if they are as worthy as a law-abiding citizen!
It would make more sense to say, "Well, you've proven that you have no intention of living according to our rules, so fuck you!" :bash:
That's kind of what happened when England shipped people off to the penal colony, I guess, except it seems those who were "criminals" were often just poor and hungry, and often guilty of no real crime, and those doing the "off to the colony with you" bit were the real criminals.


How many millions are owed in unpaid fines?
It's OK - they're only owed until such time as they're deemed to be too large and unpayable, then they are wiped.
So they'll never get really REALLY big.

[Toaster]

But ticketing speeding is still only a poor substitute for simply not refusing to give common idiot incompetent fucktards licenses, valid for well over half a century without any retesting, in the first place.

So are you saying that if you had proper training to begin with you would speed like a fucktard?

[Sollyboy]

Fuck it!
Only two blo...... That's 70 points in the last coupla munce, and $340. I can't afford either.

So slow down numb nuts or pick better places to speed

[vifferman]

Gee.. thanks for that helpful advice. :rolleyes:
Oh - and thanks too for the name-calling. Do you feel better now? Bigger? Stronger? More manly? :niceone:

[Swoop]

I am seriously considering selling my bike.
Enough of the crazy-man talk!!!
NURSE! Get this man a sanity injection, STAT!:doctor:

Used to be I didn't have neighbours. Now I've implimented a straegic wmd treaty, they don't bitch about the ruccus and I don't ride on their garden.
Fuck, I like that idea!
I might have to start winding up the bitch that dobbed me into the council the other day.......:whistle:

[Harry the Barstard]

Hey man ive been where you are, I think if a few of us are honnest alsot of us have. Just learn from it.

I was thinking of giving biking the boot after gettin $600 fine an fitty points. But instead i sold my 05 6RR an got an owe 5 900 Hornet. I have slowed down so much its not funny. The interesting thing is that i still get the same enjoyment off this bike as i did on the sexRR but im riding pretty legal. Way more than i was anyway.

[scracha]

Fuck it!
a mere 50m from my house. $170 and 35 demerits later and I'm REALLY pissed
So were you doing 80something kays in a 50 or 130something kays in a 100?

[H00dz]

Being close to home makes it worse, cause if you did run and got caught, really bad things happen... stopping is always the right thing to do.

I feel for you but I'm with ZeroIndex on this one ....though its a tuff lesson ya done the right thing.....my brotha in law lives by the creed...If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!!..... I know this is no consolation for your fine BUT heres some some "bling for doing the right thing"

[Max Preload]

So are you saying that if you had proper training to begin with you would speed like a fucktard?

:rolleyes:

I've had proper training and I don't speed like a fucktard anyway - they speed indiscriminately. I might break the arbitrary speed limit most of the time, but rarely excessively and never beyond my ability.

If someone can't back a trailer, reverse around a corner or get into a normal parking spot first go, they really don't have the skills to be operating a motorvehicle on the road. And that is the fact of the matter.

:finger:

[Ocean1]

Funny thing is, I think one of my sons has that.

It's either hereditary or subliminal early conditioning. The old man didn't know squat about music until they started "discovering" floyd, Parsons, Oldfield... All of a sudden my collection dwindled alarmingly, and they started asking about Hendrix, Clapton etc.

Clapton story. Years ago he was asked to score and play background music for a TV mini series thriller. Wasn't a bad story, can't remember the title, about corporate global environmental nasties and "Gia" and a cop, Tommy Lee Jones iirc...

Anyway, story goes that Clapton turned up at the studio on the day having written nothing, and the producer was worried. He recorded the 6 odd hours worth off-the-cuff, in one take, in one sitting, with zero preparation. Nailed it. It was fucking good too.





She's a witch of trouble in electric blue,
In her own mad mind shes in love with you.
With you.
Now what you gonna do?

Strange brew,
kill whats inside of you.

[howdamnhard]

HA,HA,HA I like it.:lol:






The question I asked myself then was should I run....him over:Police:[/QUOTE]

[vifferman]

So were you doing 80something kays in a 50 or 130something kays in a 100?
Try and pay attention. (I guess because you were late in joining this thread, you missed some salient facts.
I was doing 72km/h. Yes, that's significantly over the speed limit, and I pretty much knew I was speeding. When I started this thread, I was still shaking from the adrenaline, and still angry (like I said - at the police, myself, my bike, the neighbour, and the BikerGodz.) But it's also very easy to slip over the speed limit by that much: my bike is immensely powerful and I have a really huge knob and enormous nads, and such pathetic speeds are nothing. :rolleyes:
Yes, I was naughty, got pinged, it's my own fault, waah waah, pay up, ride more carefully, end of story.

I'm actually sorry now I started this thread, although we've all had some laughs along the way.
I may still sell my bike, but not just yet. Still have some stuff to do to it. My new shock is being dispatched in a few days, so I may as well fit that, upgrade the front end, fit some new tyres, and sort out the latest map I've loaded on the Power Commander before I do anything too precipitous.

[The Pastor]

:rolleyes:
If someone can't back a trailer, reverse around a corner or get into a normal parking spot first go, they really don't have the skills to be operating a motorvehicle on the road. And that is the fact of the matter.

:finger:

What if they don't drive cars? - are you saying because I don't drive a car I can't be on the road?.....

Backing trailers around a corner is hard.

[Ocean1]

It is pathetic to hear these winging moans about the Police coming down to hard.

If your speeding near an area where there is residential properties you get no sympathy from me.

This is a quote of me out of another thread where a certain member decided to post a guide to doing runners.

So you're consistent.

Congratulations.


Viffer's reaction is, however, perfectly typical, most of us pulled over in such circumstances do tend to get a bit testy. I don't see that as nescessarilly inviting a reaction such as yours, similar enough to the official version he got on the day, (no doubt) to suspect it's from the same source.

I don't believe, (with appologies to himself) that he was seriously advocating high speed shenanigans through the local schoolyard. Rather that he'd prefer the local constabulary lightened the fuck up with regards to the nit-pickin' small stuff. Further, I took from his post that he felt this sort of officious policing may actually encourage a rider to do a runner. I for one agree, it's not as if there's any shortage of seriously dangerous behaviour out there to ping. Why the fuck not concentrate on dealing with, say, seriously balistic black porches fer example. Undiscriminating pedantic bullshit like this, affecting largely law-abiding, (did you read his history?) bikers is simply inviting active avoidance after the fact.

In threads such as this there are always extreme views from both ends of the arguement, your's fits into the "thou bloody shalt obey" end. Usually I ignore both ends, neither being of any use whatsoever to a reasoned discussion. In your case however it's worth a note just to say that I think your obnoxious attitude is uncalled for.

[vifferman]

You fucked yourself over.
Not really.
I broke the law, I paid.


It is pathetic to hear these winging moans about the Police coming down to hard.
I was just blowing off steam.


If your speeding near an area where there is residential properties you get no sympathy from me.
I didn't ask for your sympathy.
I am actually very careful when riding in residential areas. F'rinstance - there is a school near our house, which I go past every day. I am VERY careful riding/driving past it, and go slower than the speed limit when there are kids around. (FWIW, there are very few kids around at the time I travel home - they're probably all inside playing computer games, watching TV or having an early dinner). I sometimes also end up behind a school bus, and am careful to ALWAYS go past it at 30km/h. Can you say the same? If you're like nearly every other motorist I've seen, probably not.

There's a LOT more to road safety and ensuring the safety of yourself and others than just observing what is a sometimes arbitrary speed limit. As I've already pointed out, me cruising at 72 in an area I know extremely well was probably a lot safer than two cops in a car driving in an area they were unfamiliar with and at who knows what speed to catch me up. Yet as I've said - that's irrelevant, just something to note if you're talking about safety. "Oh but they're trained to drive in adverse conditions!" Well one of them (the driver) looked not long out of school - could he match my 30+ years of driving bikes, cars, trucks, tractors in all sorts of conditions and circumstances? Doubtful.

I don't think you read the whole thread, just selectively picked something out and took the moral high ground. I've admitted guilt, and don't need a lecture from you or anyone else. I am someone who feels things deeply, and if anything I overthink things. I *know* I'm in the wrong here - not the police or the lawmakers. If I'd just gone, "Meh - I was wrong, I'll pay up and be more careful next time", or only said, "Waah waah it's not fair - fuck the cops!" then THAT would indicate summat was seriously wrong. As it is, what has happened has obviously made an impression on me.
At this point, if I wasn't the nice person I am, I'd tell you and Sollyboy and the other fucktards who have selectively read this thread and offered pearls of wisdom I didn't ask for to get fucked, but I am, so I won't.
Have a nice day! :wavey:

[Reckless]

Viffer the rational ones here realise your where just havin a moan! Like over a beer
"Guess what happened today boys, @#$%^. Not my bloody day was it. Damn! maybe i should takin a dive up my drive! #$$%&**^#!!"
But you know you never would anyway!

Some people are just havin a PMS day and you got it mate! Part of bein in the public domain they just read what suits their mood and then spend 2 hours typing up irelevent, off topic, soap box, preaching, miss the point rubbish.
Shit might get my first ever red rep for that stir up!!:niceone:

[Max Preload]

What if they don't drive cars? - are you saying because I don't drive a car I can't be on the road?.....
No because as solely a motorcyclist you're unlikely to kill someone else if you crash.


Backing trailers around a corner is hard.
Not really.

[scracha]

No because as solely a motorcyclist you're unlikely to kill someone else if you crash.
Not really.

Um, can I just point out that's a really common misconception. Flying bikes kill people...they have large metal spinning bits and plenty of c@r drivers get killed when a bike hits them.