My RS250 blowed up!

[Dave-]

Ok I really cant find a reason as to why I'm posting this, reference for others in future, general information, a place to vent, and perhaps some opinion I guess, take it for its face value

My '99 Aprilia RS250 with after market cans and expansion chambers and front indicators arrived from the north island on Thursday the 4th, I picked it up that day, fueled up and rode home, that night I sorted out the insurance, the Friday I rode it to work to show my mates, that night I checked the transmission oil, and did a look over of the various parts.

Saturday I had a spare morning so took it for the first ride, taking it slowly I followed a wee green station wagon for a few Ks keeping it under 100 above 90, getting use to the bike, I sat patiently in the passing lanes 4WDs passing me all smug, then came a big long straight and the green station wagon slowed right down to 80 and pulled right over, I'd got a feel for the bike by now and felt confident to do an over take.

Checked the mirror, head check, checked ahead, checked mirror, head check, then accelerated I got around the station wagon famously I felt, I got to 110 (still a bit heavy on the throttle) so started slowing down a tad, ease off the throttle and lightly on the brakes.

Then the engine turned off, as far as i can tell it just went pop and turned off, Check my mirror, nothings rolling along the road behind me, just a touch of blue smoke. I coast off the road and try starting it with the clutch in, the first time the kicker bites in goes right the way round but the engine doesn't even try firing, next the kicker only goes half way, then finally it wont bite in at all.

Ring my old man and tell him, while I try neutral, same as above with the clutch out, he hires a trailer and comes to pick me up while I wait for the engine to cool down and maybe unseize (I'd read about heat seizure) he gets there an hour and a half later with the engine still seized.

we get home and I try calling the dealer who'd left for the day.

I call him on Monday and he reluctantly agrees to have it checked out by the aprilia dealer (Hampton motor company), it gets there on the Tuesday (16th) two weeks after I received it. Hamptons got back to me today saying the piston had collapsed smashing up the chamber stuffing the crank and raining bits of metal into the bottom end ultimately requiring a whole new engine at about $3000 to $5000 and a few months for parts.

A few things before we go on, I asked the dealer if there was any sign of a drop, he said "no", I received it and he'd noted scraping on the wing mirror (understandably this may not have been a drop, but he didn't mention it when i asked about marks) I also asked him to check the power valves and pistons (as he had no info on the bike) he told me when i called back a few days later he'd checked them and said everything was fine.

so he called back telling me to send it up and he'll fix it, I told him I wasn't keen on sending it up and down the country at my cost so he said to take it to Duanes bike and ski who'd ship it up, I again told him I wasn't keen on shipping it up and down the country at all, so he says Duane will fix it.

He's sort of trying to wriggle out of it

so the bike is currently at Hampton motor company and will be sent to duanes on Tuesday maybe sooner if i can.

I'll be contacting a relative who's a lawyer and be chatting with a lawyer who specializes over the weekend.

[Mr. Peanut]

Yikes :( Maybe an ex race bike??

[Wellyman]

Correct title would be " My RS250 Blew Up!"
WM

[Dave-]

Correct title would be " My RS250 Blew Up!"
WM

I know, I did it intentionally.

[Scouse]

Did you check you Twostroke Oil?

[Deviant Esq]

Dude, gutted! Totally sucks, I know how much you were looking forward to getting that and bringing it along to a Wednesday night ride... guess it won't be happening for a while now. :(

Hope you've still got the FXR to kick around on.

[Dave-]

Did you check you Twostroke Oil?

yeah, the mixer light works on key turn, then turns off and stays off, the manual says this means the light is working and that there is ample mixer oil.


Dude, gutted! Totally sucks, I know how much you were looking forward to getting that and bringing it along to a Wednesday night ride... guess it won't be happening for a while now. :(

Hope you've still got the FXR to kick around on.

yeah got my wee fixxer, but it struggles to do what i want it to do, it is after all an fxr150.

[Ixion]

Sorry to hear it, but, Dude, it's a two stroke. It's what they do. Y'want a two smoker, y'must expect such things.

Y'did the classic stuff up, didn't y'. Holding it on a small throttle opening at lowish revs (anything below the red line is lowish!), then putting it under heavy load, still without wringing its neck, and then buttoning off. Does it every time. Well, not every time, but often enough.

Now y'know why the old time two smoke riders always carried a spare piston, and the tools to fit it.

[jade]

wow dude that sux the fat one, Ive ridden my rs 3-5 times a day for 9 months and the engine has never skipped a beat period.
My advice to you is to find rgv parts as they will be cheaper and more readily available, what year is your bike ?
Chat to your lawyer friend, I would not ship my bike up and down the country either, Make them pay, you have so much to experience on an rs250
ive been on the aprilia rs250's as my only form of transport for 2 years now and I still dont intend to upgrade yet, (ive ridden 06 r6 and k5 600 on track and road) Im still not at the limit my rs can provide..
good luck with getting it sorted, touch wood my engine stays legit..

[jade]

p.s - all rs250's use the rgv vj22 engine (for parts)

check out this site also..
www.rgv250.co.uk

You say you had aftermarket pipes and cans ?
I wonder if the dealer put these on ?
Without changing the jetting the bike would run too lean.. (not enough oil)
and bang..

[_intense_]

dude, i had a similar story with my CBR250rr it blew up (piston went bang) a week after buying it, (gentle riding -still gettin gused to her) i got in touch staright away. Had the baby-blade on a trailer to chch from Timaru the next day and it had a complimentary engine rebuild.
Oh... by the way.. did i say Trevor Pierce motor cycles chch rock? well they do :headbang:

as far as i was aware dont all "old" bikes sold from dealers withe a full 3mmonth warranty?

sounds dodgey, dont let him slip out of it, keep us posted man, i feel your pain!

[Oakie]

Oh... by the way.. did i say Trevor Pierce motor cycles chch rock? well they do :headbang:
Good to know. I've often wondered what their after sales service was like.

[canarlee]

[QUOTE=Oakie;1255094Good to know. I've often wondered what their after sales service was like

[Atomic]

I believe that the VJ23 got used eventually, electric start, more power.


p.s - all rs250's use the rgv vj22 engine (for parts)

check out this site also..
www.rgv250.co.uk

You say you had aftermarket pipes and cans ?
I wonder if the dealer put these on ?
Without changing the jetting the bike would run too lean.. (not enough oil)
and bang..

[Atomic]

Dave, I bought the other RS250 from the same shop. Bought it with a faulty dash (tacho no work and temp gauge no work), shop promised to source a replacement dash and send to me.

A couple of rides and the plastic T union that joins three coolant hoses together failed, no temp gauge meant that I didnt know it was overheating. End result bike started feeling like crap, stopped and wouldnt start again. Pulled it down myself and turned out as follows;
- Pistons & rings stuffed, one ring had blended into the piston.
- Piston clips and gudgeon pins locked in place almost as if welded!
- Both bores damaged.
- Head gaskets stuffed.

I should have sent the bike back and told him to fix it but I am impatient so had the bores honed, replaced piston/ring/pins/top end bearings etc. End result $476.00 in parts which I am claiming back from the shop (if he gets back to me!, otherwise I will show my authorata!). My bores are tidied up but certainly far from perfect. Bike runs and im gonna cut my losses on my own labour and some misc bits and pieces, sealants etc. After my first ride I had to replace the slipping clutch which I have also cut my losses on at $150.00 in parts and the bike turned out to have crack perished tyres that I wouldnt imagine a road legal (he vinned/wof it before he sold it) so had to spend $500 on rubber.

Not too happy with my experiece with this Te Awamutu shop. I will be chasing him hard for my $476.00 though (just as soon as I get a chance).

I was gutted when I saw your bike Dave, looked minter than mine and had aftermarket chambers/zorsts, but sounds like we both got a lemon. Only thing I am pleased about is that the RS is running for MotoTT trackday this Friday at Taupo!

Good luck man.

[SimJen]

RGV engines are not the most reliable unless really looked after well.
Powervalves often fail and due to some clever design, they fall into the path of the piston! This often results in catastrophic failure of the cylinder.
Two strokes require a certain mechanical sympathy too, careful warming before riding, no constant throttle for too long a period, good oil etc.
I always used to ride mine in a point and squirt sort of way, and it lasted well (NSR250SP).

[imdying]

I should have sent the bike back and told him to fix it but I am impatient so had the bores honed, replaced piston/ring/pins/top end bearings etc. End result $476.00 in parts which I am claiming back from the shop (if he gets back to me!, otherwise I will show my authorata!). My bores are tidied up but certainly far from perfect. Bike runs and im gonna cut my losses on my own labour and some misc bits and pieces, sealants etc. After my first ride I had to replace the slipping clutch which I have also cut my losses on at $150.00 in parts and the bike turned out to have crack perished tyres that I wouldnt imagine a road legal (he vinned/wof it before he sold it) so had to spend $500 on rubber.Quite likely you're about screwed as far as getting your money back goes... he as the vendor has first right to correct any faults with the vehicle. What's the deal with honing the bore, I thought they were nicasil and unhoneable?


Powervalves often fail and due to some clever design, they fall into the path of the piston! This often results in catastrophic failure of the cylinder.
Two strokes require a certain mechanical sympathy too, careful warming before riding, no constant throttle for too long a period, good oil etc.
I always used to ride mine in a point and squirt sort of way, and it lasted well (NSR250SP).Yep, all good points. I think Dave has the powervalve situation under control... there's a bloke who makes billet ones with stronger pins than even the VJ23 models had, and they weren't too shabby. About a thousand bucks for the set though.

[snot]

.....and the moral of the story is.......


DON'T BUY A TWO-STROKE!

[imdying]

.....and the moral of the story is.......


DON'T BUY A TWO-STROKE!Noob.... *snigger* :psst:

[SimJen]

.....and the moral of the story is.......


DON'T BUY A TWO-STROKE!

NO!
Moral is don't buy a two stroke unless:

A: You know its history
B: You know how to look after one

Other than that 2 Strokes rock, my NSR was wicked fun and I rung the shit out of it (in a sympathetic way). Not much quicker on twisty roads....

[FruitLooPs]

NO!
Moral is don't buy a two stroke unless:

A: You know its history
B: You know how to look after one



Yeah on point B: I wouldn't rely on a dash guage to tell me when i'm low on 2T oil either, regular topups regardless. Safest way to go. :Punk:

That and top end pull downs every once in a while just to be sure I guess. Quality syth oil is a must on a performance bike like a RGV/RS250 too I would think.

Heres hoping you get it sorted mate, that sucketh the biggie!

[avgas]

Snot has no clue.
2 strokes rock!!!!!

[snot]

Snot has no clue.
2 strokes rock!!!!!

You're all crazy......
:bash:

[jim.cox]

You're all crazy......
:bash:

Yes

and your point is?...

[avgas]

You're all crazy......
:bash:
Thats why we live here - NZ, land of the free crazy's.

[SVboy]

Dave, thats a total bummer! I have heard thru the forums, that Duane is an excellent bike mechanic, and has been recommended by riders on KB, so hopefully, he will do the bizzo. Beaut bike,hope you get it sorted.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ok I really cant find a reason as to why I'm posting this, reference for others in future, general information, a place to vent, and perhaps some opinion I guess, take it for its face value

My '99 Aprilia RS250 with after market cans and expansion chambers and front indicators arrived from the north island on Thursday the 4th, I picked it up that day, fueled up and rode home, that night I sorted out the insurance, the Friday I rode it to work to show my mates, that night I checked the transmission oil, and did a look over of the various parts.

Saturday I had a spare morning so took it for the first ride, taking it slowly I followed a wee green station wagon for a few Ks keeping it under 100 above 90, getting use to the bike, I sat patiently in the passing lanes 4WDs passing me all smug, then came a big long straight and the green station wagon slowed right down to 80 and pulled right over, I'd got a feel for the bike by now and felt confident to do an over take.

Checked the mirror, head check, checked ahead, checked mirror, head check, then accelerated I got around the station wagon famously I felt, I got to 110 (still a bit heavy on the throttle) so started slowing down a tad, ease off the throttle and lightly on the brakes.

Then the engine turned off, as far as i can tell it just went pop and turned off, Check my mirror, nothings rolling along the road behind me, just a touch of blue smoke. I coast off the road and try starting it with the clutch in, the first time the kicker bites in goes right the way round but the engine doesn't even try firing, next the kicker only goes half way, then finally it wont bite in at all.

Ring my old man and tell him, while I try neutral, same as above with the clutch out, he hires a trailer and comes to pick me up while I wait for the engine to cool down and maybe unseize (I'd read about heat seizure) he gets there an hour and a half later with the engine still seized.

we get home and I try calling the dealer who'd left for the day.

I call him on Monday and he reluctantly agrees to have it checked out by the aprilia dealer (Hampton motor company), it gets there on the Tuesday (16th) two weeks after I received it. Hamptons got back to me today saying the piston had collapsed smashing up the chamber stuffing the crank and raining bits of metal into the bottom end ultimately requiring a whole new engine at about $3000 to $5000 and a few months for parts.

A few things before we go on, I asked the dealer if there was any sign of a drop, he said "no", I received it and he'd noted scraping on the wing mirror (understandably this may not have been a drop, but he didn't mention it when i asked about marks) I also asked him to check the power valves and pistons (as he had no info on the bike) he told me when i called back a few days later he'd checked them and said everything was fine.

so he called back telling me to send it up and he'll fix it, I told him I wasn't keen on sending it up and down the country at my cost so he said to take it to Duanes bike and ski who'd ship it up, I again told him I wasn't keen on shipping it up and down the country at all, so he says Duane will fix it.

He's sort of trying to wriggle out of it

so the bike is currently at Hampton motor company and will be sent to duanes on Tuesday maybe sooner if i can.

I'll be contacting a relative who's a lawyer and be chatting with a lawyer who specializes over the weekend.

that sounds like not a bad outcome.

Duane is the only person apart from me I allow to put a spanner on any of my bikes. He will do you right. If you are down there, check out my VFR400, its a four stroke and will soon be for sale....

[pritch]

Usually when somebody comes up on KB and asks about RS (particularly), but also NS, RGV etc. It's somebody on L plates looking for a fast 250.

None of these bikes, however, are suitable for children. They require fastidious maintenance, the most expensive oils, careful warm-up, knowledgable riding, and obsessively alert left fingers.

These young people should show no interest in such machines and eventually as demand drops, the price should follow...

Then I'll be able to afford one!:devil2:

[imdying]

None of these bikes, however, are suitable for children. They require fastidious maintenance, the most expensive oils, careful warm-up, knowledgable riding, and obsessively alert left fingers.True, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes :yes: Exactly why I brought one... you have to flog it everywhere, you can't rely on engine braking, it'll tip in by telekinesis, and they respond well to a little attention. Neglect one are your peril though!

[aewilliam]

Maaaate...
I had an experience of a 'bung' RS250 - just a day after i got it! :weep:
but it only lasted for 3 days - my mistake was just flicking the kill-switch...:calm:

It bunged when my mate was out on his first ride on it by himself late night
:blink:
but again it was the kill-switch :sweatdrop

It treated me right ever since...i hope i return the favour.

Yours sounds worse than a kill switch however...
i know how it felt for those first three days - my condolences.

[Dave-]

atomic mate, gutted to hear you got semi-shafted too.

perhaps a letter to the motorvehicle assosiation might be in order.

check your PMs too dude.

basically I've got a lawyer in the family who's taken a look at the CGA and the other acronym organisations out there, it says that if within 60 days of the purchase, an inspection deems the motorvehicle to have had a major fault then the buyer can reject the sale and get their money back.

my dad (who's sort of taken over the running of the circus) called the dealer today who reckons the fault isnt major and only requires a few hundred dollars work.

so I'm gonna get duanes and hamptons to do a written report on the bike giving their opinion of whether they think it's a minor or major fault.

it'll cost me a few hundy to get the bike back up north but there's talk of rs250s down here soon.

[Dave-]

looks like we're going to court, I wonder how much I can say about the dealer.

if someone were to guess that'd be out of my control.

[little green FXR]

Got to say it sounds like you've been getting the worst deal imaginable.
I'm getting a new bike in Chch within the next month. Can you tell me, and all of KB who you bought this bike from so that we can know not to deal with them in future?

And good luck getting this sorted

[Ixion]

Perhaps a bit harsh to blame the dealer ? It's a two smoker, it's what they do.

Not that all two strokes seize, but it's something that has to be taken as part of the two stroke experience. All part of life's rich tapestry. Look upon it as an opportunity for spiritual enrichment.

Is why old time two stroke pilots always carried a spare piston assembly , and tools to fit it by the roadside.

No way the dealer could have predicted it. And the OP sounds like the classic "how to seize a two stroke" routine.

[Jantar]

so I'm gonna get duanes and hamptons to do a written report on the bike giving their opinion of whether they think it's a minor or major fault..

Piston failure on a two stroke is hardly a major fault. It is a common occurrence that experienced two stroke owners can fix in an hour or so.

What may be a major fault is the initial cause of the failure. Oil pump failure, incorrect jetting (for those after market pipes), power valve failure etc can all cause piston failure, but so can long periods at low throttle then over working the engine, improper warm up, wrong spark plug etc.

Keep us posted on what is found.

[laRIKin]

First I feel for you.
But they are what the are.
A street legal race bike and that means, High maintenance.
The last owner was probably behind in the maintenance.

The piston must be check every 8000km and replaced every 16000 km.

I was looking at one once, but a mate who worked in the Aprilia shop talked me out of it.
That said I would still like one.

[little green FXR]

Granted, two strokes are a high maintenance vehicle, but it does sound as though the dealer was misrepresenting himself in the first instance, claiming that the pistons and powervalves had been checked.
I'm not a mechanic myself, but surely if these are checked, the bike should not have had this problem.
combined with that, the dealer shouldn't be making it at all difficult for the customer to have it repaired locally by a reputable mechanic like Duane's at the dealers cost.
I know that there's no way I would want to pay the premium price that these bikes go for, and have the hassles this guy has gone through.

[Ixion]

Granted, two strokes are a high maintenance vehicle, but it does sound as though the dealer was misrepresenting himself in the first instance, claiming that the pistons and powervalves had been checked.
I'm not a mechanic myself, but surely if these are checked, the bike should not have had this problem.
....

Don't agree that two smokers are higher maintainence. In fact , less than four strokes cos you don't have all those silly cams and valves and chains and shit. But they do seize if you don't treat them rough.

Dont agree either that checking the powervalves and pistons could prevent the seizure. Its either seized or its not. You could check everything and all be fine, then seize it 100km later. No way the dealer could predict that. Its just what two smokers do

And holding a steady low prolonged throttle, then loading it up , as the OP implies will do it (almost) every time. And I suspect that when the OP accelerated to overtake the car be probably did it as he would on a four stroke. Can't be surprised if a two stroke dies if y' do that.

[Sketchy_Racer]

And holding a steady low prolonged throttle, then loading it up , as the OP implies will do it (almost) every time. And I suspect that when the OP accelerated to overtake the car be probably did it as he would on a four stroke. Can't be surprised if a two stroke dies if y' do that.


I tend to disagree with that statment.

A correctly tuned two stroke should be able to hold small throttle percentages for the same amount of time as large throttle openings.

At the throttle position he would have been he would be running on the needle jet. Because of the after market chambers - even if the main jets have been adjusted to counter the extra scavaging of the chambers - this does nothing for the needle jet. Which i can almost gurantee was over looked. and wellah here we are now.

I would trust my Honda RS125 (half the size motor making similar power) to run as well on half as it would on full throttle.

JMO

-Glen

[laRIKin]

These are not a normal two stoke.
These are a highly tuned weapon.
Every thing is lightened to get the max out of the motor.

And like I said I feel sorry for the guy and maybe the shop has told porky's.

But these bike are what they are and just like MX bikes it is best to do your own checks and maybe change the pistons your self or get someone to do it for you.

Very unlucky for it to break on the first ride.

I know lots of guy's that say their MX bikes have had new piston and rings fitted when they are trying to sell them.

As they could last awhile and just rattle badly until the new owner fixes it.
They don't normally turn to mush.
You can not always tell if the piston is going to break by just looking at them.
And most shops would just look though any hole (spark plug, power valves or exhaust port) to see if the piston looks good and not going to take the barrels off and just take the risk.
As that is going to cost them to much it time and money to pull the motor to bits and put back together.

Sales men (person) tell lie's to sell something, never.

I hope he does get a happy out come and I do feel his pain as it happened to my sister when she bought a RD400 and it had receipts (fake) for a rebuild and it blew up on her first ride to get a WOF after she had just ridden it home the night before.
3 miles home and it did not hang together for another 5 to get the WOF test.
It threw a leg out of the bed and it stuffed the barrel, both upper and lower cases so was a right off.

It took over a year to go to court and get her money back.
So did not have a bike or a car for a year as she had to keep paying off the RD400.
It was not the bike shops fault as they knew the guy bought the parts, but they were for his mates bike and not the one he traded.
So the bike shops get set up from time to time as well and they have to wear the loss.

Best of luck and I do hope you get a fast and good out come.

[Boob Johnson]

Granted, two strokes are a high maintenance vehicle, but it does sound as though the dealer was misrepresenting himself in the first instance, claiming that the pistons and powervalves had been checked.
I'm not a mechanic myself, but surely if these are checked, the bike should not have had this problem.
combined with that, the dealer shouldn't be making it at all difficult for the customer to have it repaired locally by a reputable mechanic like Duane's at the dealers cost.
I know that there's no way I would want to pay the premium price that these bikes go for, and have the hassles this guy has gone through.
Yep I did tell him prior to purchase to steer clear of it :Pokey:


But yeah in saying that the dealer is a farking major asshat. A mate recently bought a Duke (with less than 10k on the clock) and the selector fucked out locking it in 5th gear, the dealer (also in ChCh) didn't hesitate to agree to paying for the thing to be fixed here in New Plymouth at his cost.


You pay a premium @ a dealer which is a form of insurance for these possibilties............nail his ass to the wall Dave :2guns: :spanking:

[Dave-]

The Dealer took the risk, not me.

also in this case it is a major fault (try reading the whole thread), as the cyclinder wall has been ripped up, taking half the power valves with it, the crank has been twisted and there's bits of metal through the bottom end, it's a $3000 to $5000 repair.

I'm faxing him tomorrow with the letter and report by hamptons, my lawyer will also contact him, with any luck he'll realise he's fucked and just bend over.

although his wife on the phone told my dad "YOU BRING IT ON, YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYFING FROM US!"

[Buddy L]

I don't believe in all this "they just seize business", a 2 stroke motor should be able to plod along no worries at all at any RPM and be safe. If this was the problem then their is a major flaw in this motorcycles design, Or the motor has been tampered with and not set up to run properly.

But i can't talk i seized my cr125 early in the year, as i crashed heavely in MX and developed an unoticed leak in my radiator. :(

[Boob Johnson]

The dealer took the risk, not me.

also in this case it is a major fault (try reading the whole thread), as the cyclinder wall has been ripped up, taking half the power valves with it, the crank has been twisted and there's bits of metal through the bottom end, it's a $3000 to $5000 repair.

I'm faxing him tomorrow with the letter and report by hamptons, my lawyer will also contact him, with any luck he'll realise he's fucked and just bend over.

although his wife on the phone told my dad "YOU BRING IT ON, YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYFING FROM US!"Sounds like this bitch needs to be taken down a notch or two & your just the man for the job Bounty






*hands over the can opener of justice* :2guns:

[Sensei]

Sounds like the bike may have been sitting for awhile & gotten condensation in the bottom end which can put light rusting onto the crank surface / short story once you start to ride it again the mains / bigends etc pick up & seize . Trev Hall has been around for along time so will be tough to get money from I would say . Do your home work & see what they come up with before getting into a Legal fight . Good luck

[jade]

I don't believe in all this "they just seize business", a 2 stroke motor should be able to plod along no worries at all at any RPM and be safe. (

Agreed, sick of people in this thread saying, its a 2 stroke, its just what they do
Ive done 30 000km on 2 strokes on the road without any engine trouble ever
I do all my own maintenence and take care of my engine, know what it likes and doesnt like.
I had no mechanical experience whatsoever when I bought an nsr, within a week it was fowling plugs and running on 1 cylinder, giving me grief
So I started reading about two strokes and working on mine, got it sorted and taught myself everything I needed to know.
Now ive completed 3 topend rebuilds, put it back together and had them fire up first pop with no dramas whatsoever
I agree that 2 bangers require more maintenence, but the maintenece is usually to sort little problems and mine is fully sorted now and requires no maintenence, put petrol and oil in - job done
my bike is my only form of transport and you people are talking nonsense about throttle openings, if the engines sound, you can ride it however you like, low throttle mid throttle full throttle.. traffic or open road
no dramas
Hope you get your bike sorted and get to experience the thrill that these machines hold
I will never sell mine.

[FkNAmerican]

Your motorcycle blew up and you dont know why.

Its an Aprilia.

'Nuff said.

[Dave-]

Your motorcycle blew up and you dont know why.

Its an Aprilia.

'Nuff said.

clearly this is the reason why, I cant believe I didn't ask an american sooner!

usually when I have a problem I cant believe the results of I just ask an american and they'll tell me to nuke it, invade it, or that it's just what they do.

can't be too complicated.

[Dave-]

argh my old man knocked my fxr over today...minor damage sometimes i wonder if I'm supose to constantly have something wrong.

sent trevor a fax today...ill send him the report and get my lawyer to send him one, with any luck he'll actually sit down and read (assuming he can) the CGA, realise he's fucked and gimme what i asked for.

[unrealone]

Your motorcycle blew up and you dont know why.

Its an Aprilia.

'Nuff said.

Hah! I've had more problems with older 4 strokes vs my RS. My other biker buddies have all had a fair amount of issues with their 4 strokes too.

Put it this way, NO bike is without its troubles, nor is any car.

[Grahameeboy]

Sorry to hear it, but, Dude, it's a two stroke. It's what they do. Y'want a two smoker, y'must expect such things.

Y'did the classic stuff up, didn't y'. Holding it on a small throttle opening at lowish revs (anything below the red line is lowish!), then putting it under heavy load, still without wringing its neck, and then buttoning off. Does it every time. Well, not every time, but often enough.

Now y'know why the old time two smoke riders always carried a spare piston, and the tools to fit it.

Being an old time two smoke rider I never had to carry a spare piston and tool kit. Had RD's and YPVS's, altogether about seven 2 strokers and had no problems. Yes this would happen on Yam FS1e's if it overheated going up a hill but not an Aprilia.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sounds like the bike may have been sitting for awhile & gotten condensation in the bottom end which can put light rusting onto the crank surface / short story once you start to ride it again the mains / bigends etc pick up & seize . Trev Hall has been around for along time so will be tough to get money from I would say . Do your home work & see what they come up with before getting into a Legal fight . Good luck

good advice that. Though the CGA and the fact the guy is an LMVD is, as someone said, the reason that you pay higher prices from a dealer... after all they are carrying the risk.

Having said that, imagine if it was bought privately: no comeback to the vendor, AT ALL unless you can establish they knew it was dodgy. And even then you are in Disputes Tribunal territory i.e. LOTTERY as to result.

Keep pinging away, be firm, fair and reasonable, and it sounds like you did the right thing getting a third party involved. Find out if Mrs. is a director of the company, and if she isnt then ask politely to speak with someone who can bind the company: if she just works there then she has no more authority than any other employee (even if she is sleeping with the boss). www.companies.govt.nz is your friend here.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Is why old time two stroke pilots always carried a spare piston assembly , and tools to fit it by the roadside.


by "old time" presumably you mean pre-War Scott Flying Squirrels and stuff, or DKW's and the like.?

technology has moved on a bit since then.....

[nudedaytona]

Agreed, sick of people in this thread saying, its a 2 stroke, its just what they do
Ive done 30 000km on 2 strokes on the road without any engine trouble ever
I do all my own maintenence and take care of my engine, know what it likes and doesnt like.
I had no mechanical experience whatsoever when I bought an nsr, within a week it was fowling plugs and running on 1 cylinder, giving me grief
So I started reading about two strokes and working on mine, got it sorted and taught myself everything I needed to know.
Now ive completed 3 topend rebuilds, put it back together and had them fire up first pop with no dramas whatsoever


Mate I've just bought a 96 'prilia rs250 would you mind teaching me a bit about it? I'd be really grateful if you would come round one day and point out how to maintain it. I live on the Shore too. I've got all the manuals, but it would be nice to talk to someone who had a bit of experience with this machine. I saw those Te Awamutu bikes, now I'm glad I didn't buy one of those ones.

[Ixion]

Being an old time two smoke rider I never had to carry a spare piston and tool kit. Had RD's and YPVS's, altogether about seven 2 strokers and had no problems. Yes this would happen on Yam FS1e's if it overheated going up a hill but not an Aprilia.

I've owned way more than 7 two smokers, probably thirty something. Most never seized. Some did

Whilst it was always possible to assign some sort of reason in hindsight for the seizures, none of them occured for any reason that could have been detected or prevented a week in advance.


'Modern' technology two strokes are not immune to seizure.


Cal Rayborn was killed at Pukekohe when his Suzuki seized. Les Kenny died when his TZ seized. Merv Robinson, lots more.



There's quite a few on this site have seized two strokes , with varying degrees of spectularness.


It happens. Not always, but when it does, it is very improbable indeed that any inspection weeks before would have prevented it.

[Grahameeboy]

I've owned way more than 7 two smokers, probably thirty something. Most never seized. Some did

Whilst it was always possible to assign some sort of reason in hindsight for the seizures, none of them occured for any reason that could have been detected or prevented a week in advance.


'Modern' technology two strokes are not immune to seizure.


Cal Rayborn was killed at Pukekohe when his Suzuki seized. Les Kenny died when his TZ seized. Merv Robinson, lots more.



There's quite a few on this site have seized two strokes , with varying degrees of spectularness.


It happens. Not always, but when it does, it is very improbable indeed that any inspection weeks before would have prevented it.

Interesting response................Bikes break down, be they 2 stroke or 4 stroke..........more riders die due to non-mechanical failures........

[Ixion]

A difference is that a breakdown on a four stroke is much more likely to be preventable by prior inspection (assuming that one has some reason to do such an inspection).Which is the whole point about whether the dealer was remiss in not preventing the seizure.

And of course, the reference to riders killed when their two strokes seized is simply because those are the only seizures that make news. A racing two stroke seizing without nasty consequences is so commonplace that it is not at all newsworthy.

[unrealone]

If Harvey Norman sold a computer to someone which then broke down in a week, they would be responsible. Same principle applies IMO. There is no way Harvey's could of known it might brake down, just the same as this dealer. However, just because they 'didn't know it would happen' doesn't exempt them from being responsible. That is the risk a company takes when selling a product.

Unless of course you were told clearly that they couldn't and wouldn't guarantee any part on the bike.

Now, I'm not sure if he sold it to you with any sort of guarantee but most dealers I've delt with provide up to 3 months.

My $0.02c :)

[onearmedbandit]

Can't contract out of the CGA.

[Jantar]

If Harvey Norman sold a computer to someone which then broke down in a week, they would be responsible. Same principle applies IMO.

If that breakdown was due to a virus, or to bad operating, then HN would not be responsible.

Have a look at the gaurantee that manufacturers give with two strokes. Piston failure IS NOT covered.

Like Ixion, I have owned many two strokes over the years, most have gone many thousands of km without any problems, but most of the high performance ones have siezed. One particular 250 would perform faultlessly until I put in AC sparkplugs, and the piston would fail within an hour or two. I went through three pistons before I discovered the cause.

A TM125 piston nipped on the exhaust bridge, shattered the piston skirt, bent the con rod, and sent bits of alloy right through the engine. That was a complete rebuild which took almost three hours.

A GT380 went 54000 km before I lifted the head for a bit of a clean, no other work needed. Both GT750s never needed anything done at all.

[FROSTY]

I must say if I was the dealer I'd be pretty pissed off by now.
He asked you TWICE to send the bike back to him. Not an unreasonable request and definitely one covered in the consumer and sale of goods act.
You are asking him to pay for someone elses labour charges and parts pricing level.
Im IN NO WAY saying there isn't an issue that needs resolving -whatt I AM saying is -give the guy a chance to put it right

[unrealone]

If that breakdown was due to a virus, or to bad operating, then HN would not be responsible.

Have a look at the gaurantee that manufacturers give with two strokes. Piston failure IS NOT covered.

Of course, if it was maluse on the operators part. I worked as a tech at HN and had that very arguement with customers every day. Thing is if you argued enough, management would give in.

As this wasn't a sale of a brand new bike, the manufacturers warranty is far gone and the terms of it do not apply to this deal. The dealer should have outlined what he would and would not cover in terms of mechanical failure if in fact he was going to supply some sort of guarantee. Was he? :P

I agree Frosty, however I think dealer should be paying for the shipping costs involved. All of what I'm saying is based on whether the Dealer said he'd warrant anything though?

Edit: Ah I just read about that CGA thing mentioned earlier in the thread, not sure what it covers. Oh well.. good luck Dave. Gosh I'm fired up at the moment, works going balistic!

[steveb64]

Of course, if it was maluse on the operators part. I worked as a tech at HN and had that very arguement with customers every day. Thing is if you argued enough, management would give in.

As this wasn't a sale of a brand new bike, the manufacturers warranty is far gone and the terms of it do not apply to this deal. The dealer should have outlined what he would and would not cover in terms of mechanical failure if in fact he was going to supply some sort of guarantee. Was he? :P

I agree Frosty, however I think dealer should be paying for the shipping costs involved. All of what I'm saying is based on whether the Dealer said he'd warrant anything though?

Edit: Ah I just read about that CGA thing mentioned earlier in the thread, not sure what it covers. Oh well.. good luck Dave. Gosh I'm fired up at the moment, works going balistic!

This brings to mind another case I know of, where a mates GSXR11 (his story posted here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=744416&postcount=24 ) died between Kerikeri and Kaikohe with a top end failure. Luckily, I knew the local bike shop owner, so he came and picked up the bike, and stored it at his shop... then Wellington MC's organised (and paid for) transport for it back to Wellington. Not only that, but they coughed up the airfares from Auckland to Wellington for Sugilite and his missus too! The main difference between Dave's story, and Sugilites, is that WMCC had repaired the engine about a week before...

Good luck Dave...

[Sketchy_Racer]

I've owned way more than 7 two smokers, probably thirty something. Most never seized. Some did

Whilst it was always possible to assign some sort of reason in hindsight for the seizures, none of them occured for any reason that could have been detected or prevented a week in advance.


'Modern' technology two strokes are not immune to seizure.


Cal Rayborn was killed at Pukekohe when his Suzuki seized. Les Kenny died when his TZ seized. Merv Robinson, lots more.



There's quite a few on this site have seized two strokes , with varying degrees of spectularness.


It happens. Not always, but when it does, it is very improbable indeed that any inspection weeks before would have prevented it.

Piston Seizure IS preventable. Seizure is caused by:

a lack of fuel (detonating the piston to death and over heating it causing the piston to expand too much, wellah sieze)

A lack of oil. Self explanitory

and excessive heat. causing piston to over expand.

All of those are prevenatable.

However, you would never be able to tell when a crank is going to sieze (although generally the pistons go first)

I don't believe in the fact of "it just happens cause they are two strokes"

They do as they are designed, and do it perfectly well untill conditions change (eg. aftermarket chambers....)




I must say if I was the dealer I'd be pretty pissed off by now.
He asked you TWICE to send the bike back to him. Not an unreasonable request and definitely one covered in the consumer and sale of goods act.
You are asking him to pay for someone elses labour charges and parts pricing level.
Im IN NO WAY saying there isn't an issue that needs resolving -whatt I AM saying is -give the guy a chance to put it right

The dealer is expecting this guy to fork out of his OWN pocket to send his broken bike back. from the sound so far the dealwe is a ass. and would probably just say "yep its broken, gonna cost you lots to fix"

He already knows this

If the dealer was seriosly concerned about his paying customer, he would make it his goal to find the cause of the engine faliure after the poor customer had only ridden the bike for such a short period of time after purchase.

Im pretty sure there is a law about the vehicle has to do as it was advertised for 30 days or else legal action can be taken. Seen as his RS blew up it is unable to operate as advertised for the 30day period.

This is a prime example of the bullshit that is the motorcycle industry in NZ

JMO

[HenryDorsetCase]

I must say if I was the dealer I'd be pretty pissed off by now.
He asked you TWICE to send the bike back to him. Not an unreasonable request and definitely one covered in the consumer and sale of goods act.
You are asking him to pay for someone elses labour charges and parts pricing level.
Im IN NO WAY saying there isn't an issue that needs resolving -whatt I AM saying is -give the guy a chance to put it right

issue is the distance as I see it: once the customer lets go of the bike, what impetus is there on the dealer to do anything, particularly if they will end up bearing the cost.

I would be getting it IN WRITING prior to putting the pride n joy on the truck northward, particularly stuff like what is to happen, timeframes, communication requirements, and eventual return, plus a "what if" clause if the inital agreement can't be met. Since the dealer knows from an independent inspection (and presumably someone has offered to take some photos and email them to him? right?) what the problem is, then it shouldnt be too hard. Its not like there is any novel legal principle going on here.

[FROSTY]

The dealer is expecting this guy to fork out of his OWN pocket to send his broken bike back. from the sound so far the dealwe is a ass. and would probably just say "yep its broken, gonna cost you lots to fix"

He already knows this

If the dealer was seriosly concerned about his paying customer, he would make it his goal to find the cause of the engine faliure after the poor customer had only ridden the bike for such a short period of time after purchase.
Im pretty sure there is a law about the vehicle has to do as it was advertised for 30 days or else legal action can be taken. Seen as his RS blew up it is unable to operate as advertised for the 30day period.
This is a prime example of the bullshit that is the motorcycle industry in NZ JMO
Dude-I'm in the industry so can speak from a position of actual knowledge as oposed to opinion.
The two laws protecting the purchacer of any goods are the consumer garantees act and the sale of goods act.
The guts of those two is that the "goods" --ie bike Must be fit for the job for which they were intended--Ie--ridden on the road.
The shortened version of these two acts are "the dealer is required by law to be fair and reasonable."
The ultimate means of recourse is through the motor vehicle disputes tribunial.
Being fair and reasonable is an expectation to be given the opertunity to repair the goods to the expected condition.
we have here ONE version of events -unfortunately I can quote 100 stories of customers happily ripping us off for every story you can quote
1 example--the guy who complained of a petrol smell 1 week after buying a car from me --all MY Fault -expected me to pay to have it fixed.-
Yea what about the fresh metal shavings in the boot from the "amp installation"
or the guy whose car "blew up for no reason- I was only doing 50km'h pity the towey told me he recovered the car from the middle of a rally.
course. Pity the oil was all down the side of the car fromthe blowup -with the noted exception of two VERY clean squares on the two doors

Point is you need to give the vendor the chance to fix the bike-If the fault was an existing one as oposed to operator error then you would be expecting to be reinbursed for the freight.
Thing is --in the REAL world the dealer can drag the chain for a long time--meanwhile you have no bike

[Dave-]

They've only tried to ship it north once...the first time I told the dealer I wasn't keen on it being sent north, he, out of the goodness of his heart told me that was ok and duanes would repair it.
of course constitutes theft and I was quite happy to call Mr plod and let him know my bike was being held against my will, I took my ownership papers and ID as ammo.

I was also told by my lawyer to do this, who's a family member, not just another lawyer.

the following information i was not told by anyone.

I was not told that the dealer was keen on doing a botch job, I was not told the dealer was keen to get duanes and/or hampton motor company tip it upside down and shake out the bits.

the harvey norman case sort of applies here, I worked at warehouse stationery for a year where we sold mercury computers, these were the biggest pieces of flying shit (I actually refused to put them through the till, knowing full well the shit GP on them would not equal that of the time spent filling out papers, loss of customers when they failed) and they did i think in all I returned 12 of them, then the company went bust, warehouse stationery ltd part of the warehouse group took a risk when it agreed to sell these machines, the risk was that they'd fail and have to be refunded (after repair or replacement as it isn't a motor vehicle)

The Dealerl decided to stock rs250 motorcycles, he knew (or he should know) the consumer guarantees act of 1993, and it states that if a motor vehicle suffers a major fault then the sale may be rejected and the buyer be refunded the full cost, the risk he took is that the aprilia have a piston fail.

gonna give Alice at emoto a call tomorrow and see how her RS250s are getting on.

frosty you're cases are minor faults, or the guy didn't know the CGA, or you have a case where the fault was caused by the end user, which does not apply here as I was riding correctly and had made no modifications.

my revs were barely over 8000 at the time of piston faileur, I remember this because I remember keeping it below the magic missile 8000 mark sitting behind the green wagon, I remember as i passed him checking my revs and seeing them at about 9000, just over the magic number and feeling my lungs folding, then the piston didnt kick in untill i had started decelerating so i may have been over 8000, in 4th gear, my fxr can do that! and I was told rs250s liked being thrashed.

[Dave-]

got a well written fax back today, he seems to think I over revved it or the engine was cold.

he knows I got 50k south so he's a fucktard if he thinks the engine was still cold.

he also thought I may have skipped a gear which I didnt.

and he also thinks I may have over revved it, which I didnt.

im getting sick of this guy, and I dont think he realises the bad publicity I'll give him.

[Mikkel]

got a well written fax back today, he seems to think I over revved it or the engine was cold.

he knows I got 50k south so he's a fucktard if he thinks the engine was still cold.

he also thought I may have skipped a gear which I didnt.

and he also thinks I may have over revved it, which I didnt.

im getting sick of this guy, and I dont think he realises the bad publicity I'll give him.

Nah, that seems to be the case with some dealers out there... be it bikes, bike gear or other stuff! They'll try to wriggle out of it as best they can and in the end we're left with having to spend heaps of time and effort going to the disputes tribunal with an uncertain outcome.
And worst of all, these guys are putting all respectable dealers in a poor light since you can not count on people being honest and decent in the end.

I hope you'll get it sorted mate!

[Smoggy]

Quite an ongoing saga mate, hope it works out well for you.

[Dave-]

http://gpacts.knowledge-basket.co.nz/gpacts/reprint/text/2004/an/001.html

CGA 1993 ^

I've just drafted an uber letter, will run it via the olds (they have more wisdom than me) and the lawyer.

[Max Preload]

got a well written fax back today, he seems to think I over revved it or the engine was cold.

he knows I got 50k south so he's a fucktard if he thinks the engine was still cold.

he also thought I may have skipped a gear which I didnt.

and he also thinks I may have over revved it, which I didnt.

I think the guy's a dodgy weasel fuck. And I'll bet I'm closer to the mark than anything he thinks (or just makes up as is the case).

Nail his ass to the wall.

[Boob Johnson]

I must say if I was the dealer I'd be pretty pissed off by now.
He asked you TWICE to send the bike back to him. Not an unreasonable request and definitely one covered in the consumer and sale of goods act.
You are asking him to pay for someone elses labour charges and parts pricing level.
Im IN NO WAY saying there isn't an issue that needs resolving -whatt I AM saying is -give the guy a chance to put it right
A mate of mine bought a 900 superlight Duke a month ago. It fucked out on the very first ride (selector broke, stuck in 5th). No one knew what was wrong (obviously) & the dealer (like this situation was on the OTHER island) so he quickly agreed to have it looked @ locally & said he would foot the bill, which he did. Dave's dealer sounds like a right muppet & all I can say is for his sakes he is lucky I didn't buy that bike because I wouldn't of been so nice.

[steveb64]

A mate of mine bought a 900 superlight Duke a month ago. The fucked out on the very first ride (selector broke, stuck in 5th). No one knew what was wrong (obviously) & the dealer (like this situation was on the OTHER island) so he quickly agreed to have it looked @ locally & said he would foot the bill, which he did. Dave's dealer sounds like a right muppet & all I can say is for his sakes he is lucky I didn't buy that bike because I wouldn't of been so nice.

Get your mate to take a REALLY close look at the swingarm as well. Mines sitting in the garage at the mo, due to a hairline crack through the weld, near the shock mount (swingarm end). Apparently, the '95 and '96 models (with ally swingarms) are prone to fracture there, and also at the swingarm pivot (clamp) AND at the chain adjusters... 97 onwards are OK. I'll be posting a photo on 'Show us yer crack' when I can get one to come out clear enough...

Sorry if I've made his day worse...

[Boob Johnson]

Get your mate to take a REALLY close look at the swingarm as well. Mines sitting in the garage at the mo, due to a hairline crack through the weld, near the shock mount (swingarm end). Apparently, the '95 and '96 models (with ally swingarms) are prone to fracture there, and also at the swingarm pivot (clamp) AND at the chain adjusters... 97 onwards are OK. I'll be posting a photo on 'Show us yer crack' when I can get one to come out clear enough...

Sorry if I've made his day worse...Nice one guvna, ill do that, im pretty sure Mikes is a 96. Only got 10k on the clock too, bloody mint bike in all. Cheers for that will let him know :niceone:

[steveb64]

Nice one guvna, ill do that, im pretty sure Mikes is a 96. Only got 10k on the clock too, bloody mint bike in all. Cheers for that will let him know :niceone:

Hmmm - mines got 42k+... Not selling it though. I :love: my Duc! 'Cept when the fcuker breaks. The other main thing to check is the cylinder studs. Mine went at around 25k or so - and if they haven't been changed - your mates will too! If the engines still apart, NOW would be a real good time to get them done, 'cos they're a REAL prick to get out once they've broken (they're hardened, so forget about drilling!). Bad enough when they aren't broken, Ducati use the threadlock from hell on them. Can unwind the alloy thread out of the cases! :argh:

Check this link out for more things to watch for... http://www.ducatitech.com/2v/maint/index.html

And I've posted (finally) my swingarm photo in the 'Show us yer crack' thread...

[Boob Johnson]

Hmmm - mines got 42k+... Not selling it though. I :love: my Duc! 'Cept when the fcuker breaks. The other main thing to check is the cylinder studs. Mine went at around 25k or so - and if they haven't been changed - your mates will too! If the engines still apart, NOW would be a real good time to get them done, 'cos they're a REAL prick to get out once they've broken (they're hardened, so forget about drilling!). Bad enough when they aren't broken, Ducati use the threadlock from hell on them. Can unwind the alloy thread out of the cases! :argh:

Check this link out for more things to watch for... http://www.ducatitech.com/2v/maint/index.html

And I've posted (finally) my swingarm photo in the 'Show us yer crack' thread...
Rgr that :niceone:

[CHOPPA]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-accessories/Engine-drive-train/auction-127832819.htm
I saw this on trade me could be a good option prob a bit late though...

[Dave Lobster]

I don't believe in all this "they just seize business", a 2 stroke motor should be able to plod along no worries at all at any RPM and be safe. If this was the problem then their is a major flaw in this motorcycles design, or the motor has been tampered with and not set up to run properly.

They do. Mine will plod along at 70mph, or 110mph.. Obviously plodding along is gay, and it's normally getting the sh1t caned out of it.





Powervalves often fail and due to some clever design, they fall into the path of the piston! This often results in catastrophic failure of the cylinder.



This is easily resolved. Get a set of Dave Cooper Racing powervalves. They're made properly. Only slightly dearer than Suzuki items.
They smooth out the power delivery too.

[Dave-]

dave cooper ones are now cheaper I think....

bikes off to hamptons (who've been awesome) on monday to have it looked at by a forensics dude (possibly made to sound cooler than it is) to find out exactly what went wrong, basically to remove the argument that the damage was caused by myself.

still need to add up the total costs of trailer hire, the report from hamptons, the report from forensics the shipping etc so i can claim that amount back.

this time in a week...

[fireliv]

Good luck eh! Phoenix and I have been looking foward to seeing ya with ure new bike on the wed rides.

When the bike shop coveniently "lost" the pillion seat cover for the 6R I went nato on there asses. One thing I dont like is being screwed, and I am a reasonable person. They did end up giving tris free gloves and we have a discount at that shop whenever we want, but I wouldnt go back there for the world.

Hope that bastard has to pay for every penny.

[nonferrous]

It is time to start looking after your customers

Good luck Dave & Atomic

[Deviant Esq]

Any update on how things are progressing Dave? :)

[Dave-]

yeah a report from forensics should be here yesterday...but it'll probably be Monday now...

[Vetran]

I saw this from the same shop on trademe was interested but then happened to stumble onto your thread luckily. Live close so still might go have a look but is concerning that he doesnt know the history of the bike.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=131567085

[Dave-]

I saw this from the same shop on trademe was interested but then happened to stumble onto your thread luckily. Live close so still might go have a look but is concerning that he doesnt know the history of the bike.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=131567085

yeah i saw that...pitty I cant give him bad feedback...guess a thousand hits a day on kiwibikers general section is as good....

[Dave-]

tuesday :)

[Oldfulla]

Tuesday???

So will it be fixed by Tuesday? this has taken sometime resolve. how did it all turn out?

[Spuds1234]

Tuesday I believe is the date of when dave goes up to Hamilton and fucks the dealer over in court.

Something like that anyway.

[Dave-]

roar....massive post and i accidentally knocked the back button on my mouse...

ah my father and I rocked up to Hamilton on the tuesday morning, dad didnt stop pretending to be Danny Crane..."no dad not the car hire chick...no..." "HI I'm Danny Crane....well im not really" :o :slap:

got to the court rooms "Hi I'm Danny Crane!"

got in the court room and it went something like this:

http://www.nzlii.org/nz/cases/NZMVDT/2008/28.html

that's right my case is an example :D it'll be published and sent out to places that need to know these things.

a week later i got the letter saying I'd won :first: my case, about 2 weeks after that I got my money.

the whole process took about 6 months and 3 weeks, the court process only took a month and a bit...

Massive thanks to everyone who posted in this thread, every post helped me in some way shape or form, and a bigger thanks to the Wednesday night ride group for your support.

edit: i asked for this thread to be put away as i feared the dealer might try something, but the dispute is closed now.

[chubby]

Good on you.... I trust the bike will be repaired toot suit, if it hasn't been already, and you'll be up and riding it soon enough.

I hope you can now ride the bike and you will get enjoyment from that. It takes the shine off when it doesn't go smooth and i feel for you on that.

[CookMySock]

good shit bro. The dealer wont "try" anything now, and if he does, tell us all about it wont ya ;) Google will index him fully, so lotsa names etc and google will lap it up - good boy google !!

DB

[KiwiRat]

Good on you.... I trust the bike will be repaired toot suit, if it hasn't been already, and you'll be up and riding it soon enough.

I hope you can now ride the bike and you will get enjoyment from that. It takes the shine off when it doesn't go smooth and i feel for you on that.

Uh, I think Dave will be getting another bike.

Great result by the way. I'm saving a copy of your decision as a "How to" guide should something like this ever happen.

[Dave-]

yeah i got a full refund of the purchase price including transport, insurance and report costs oh and the $25 worth of fuel i put in it.

im thinking honda for my next bike.

[Forest]

Glad to hear you got it sorted.

I found the court commentary very interesting.

I was fascinated to read that you're supposed to replace the pistons and rings every 12,000km on an RS250. I never knew that.

[Boob Johnson]

Great result Dave :niceone:


Can you remind us all the name of the dealer to avoid like the bubonic plague?

[Dave-]

Great result Dave :niceone:


Can you remind us all the name of the dealer to avoid like the bubonic plague?

cheers to you as well boob, nah I'm in 2 minds, in one way it'd be libel or slander but the other it'd be like warning someone about a wire rope tied across the road (if the crank had seized/wheel locked while i was over taking)

[Boob Johnson]

cheers to you as well boob, nah I'm in 2 minds, in one way it'd be libel or slander but the other it'd be like warning someone about a wire rope tied across the road (if the crank had seized/wheel locked while i was over taking)
Trevor can come after me for saying his Te Awamutu based motorcycle business is less than desirable to deal with, nothing wrong with saying that, especially when it's true. Jesus man, BOTH of the RS250's he sold at that time were fucked. That clown needs the learn :bash:


BTW: Slander = spoken word & Libel = written word

[nonferrous]

yeah i got a full refund of the purchase price including transport, insurance and report costs oh and the $25 worth of fuel i put in it.

im thinking honda for my next bike.

excellent result Dave - sounds like your Dad deserves some congrats too

[Dave-]

Trevor can come after me for saying his Te Awamutu based motorcycle business is less than desirable to deal with, nothing wrong with saying that, especially when it's true. Jesus man, BOTH of the RS250's he sold at that time were fucked. That clown needs the learn :bash:


BTW: Slander = spoken word & Libel = written word

something like that^

yeah i mean if i said to the dudes at the wednesday night workshop rawr rawr etc then it'd be slander.


excellent result Dave - sounds like your Dad deserves some congrats too

yeah my dad was awesome, he didn't fully approve of me getting the rs250 and still doesn't 100% approve of me motorcycling but he's always supported me and couldn't have done it without him....and he got me into the koru club which was a life saver....I hate waiting in airports...especially chch and hamilton...

[Boob Johnson]

the koru club which was a life saver....I hate waiting in airports
Koru rocks for sure, used to live in them lol

[yod]

good job - interesting reading the court docs too, thanks for posting that

good luck with finding a new beast

[imdying]

BTW: Slander = spoken word & Libel = written wordAnd neither applicable when it's true :D

Can't believe that cock (Trevor from Te Awamutu) gave you such a run around Dave.