Speeding and lack of riding skills

[bmz2]

another biker death on our roads today, it is becoming all to common , speeding and fatal crashes , there are threads posted on the forum regarding speeds and corners , how fast can your bike can go , these are fun in the right hands, but we have a lot of riders who think it is fun to ride and tell how they have pushed the speed to the max and how close they have got their bike down , well what i have read and seen today, it is know wonder that the police have it in for bikers , we all throught that a patch on the back of a jacket is where the police should start to clean up the biker groups [gangs], well they should start looking here first , people are living a dream of race riders and writing and about it , speed limits are placed on us for road conditions , but we seem to think we know best , [supermen], and well, we are not, and the riders who are out there telling us how great they are, [wankers.]
the police are going to make riding a bike so hard for us ,bigger fines, lose of bikes , stopping bikes for the sake of stopping us:mad:, here is a example , riding today sh16 ,4 other cruiser bikes nice ride untill 2 sportsbike , ran though the ride overtook while oncoming cars coming around corners forcing the ride to slame brakes on, pushing johnnyflash to take action to miss hitting the 2 bikes , then they overtook again a highspeed missing me by mm , while a oncoming car crossed the centre line while coming into the corner i had no where to go just hang on and wait for smash of bikes hitting me , as i said missed me by mm ,son of bitches this type of riding is leading to death, it is not ok to ride this way , yes i'm pissed off get home and read another death could of been 4 deaths, would love to find these 2 wanky riders :spanking:

this is not cruiser v sportsbikes it is about the way we ride and speeds , i thought that i would get taken out by a cage ,NOT OTHER BIKER, AND FOR THE GUYS WHO THINK THIS FUNNY , WE WILL BE READING YOUR R.I.P THREAD SOON

[Katman]

I agree 100%. I'm sick and fuckin tired of this whole "But hey, we're crazy bikers - what do you expect" attitude.

[breakaway]

Once again, it's a case of the few ruining it for the majority.

[nudemetalz]

Me also.
I believe as you get older, you find speed isn't the only thing required with riding. I was quite happy to lose 46hp from my ZX-10 to upgrading to my Guzzi V11 Sport.

[yod]

another biker death on our roads today, it is becoming all to common , speeding and fatal crashes , there are threads posted on the forum regarding speeds and corners , how fast can your bike can go , these are fun in the right hands, but we have a lot of riders who think it is fun to ride and tell how they have pushed the speed to the max and how close they have got their bike down , well what i have read and seen today, it is know wonder that the police have it in for bikers , we all throught that a patch on the back of a jacket is where the police should start to clean up the biker groups [gangs], well they should start looking here first , people are living a dream of race riders and writing and about it , speed limits are placed on us for road conditions , but we seem to think we know best , [supermen], and well, we are not, and the riders who are out there telling us how great they are, [wankers.]
the police are going to make riding a bike so hard for us ,bigger fines, lose of bikes , stopping bikes for the sake of stopping us:mad:, here is a example , riding today sh16 ,4 other cruiser bikes nice ride untill 2 sportsbike , ran though the ride overtook while oncoming cars coming around corners forcing the ride to slame brakes on, pushing johnnyflash to take action to miss hitting the 2 bikes , then they overtook again a highspeed missing me by mm , while a oncoming car crossed the centre line while coming into the corner i had no where to go just hang on and wait for smash of bikes hitting me , as i said missed me by mm ,son of bitches this type of riding is leading to death, it is not ok to ride this way , yes i'm pissed off get home and read another death could of been 4 deaths, would love to find these 2 wanky riders :spanking:

this is not cruiser v sportsbikes it is about the way we ride and speeds , i thought that i would get taken out by a cage ,NOT OTHER BIKER, AND FOR THE GUYS WHO THINK THIS FUNNY , WE WILL BE READING YOUR R.I.P THREAD SOON

if its not "cruiser vs sportbikes" then why even mention what they were?

[bmz2]

hope that they may read the thread and they may rethink how they ride , think about it, bikes riding all over sh16 today , 4 big cruiser bikes and you were the dickhead who rode though the group naming that you were on 2 sportsbikes ,woo that was me, would you like me to say 4 bikes riding sh16 passed by 2 bikes, is that better for you, as i said it not cruiser v sportbikes it was information for people to read

[madbikeboy]

I'm reminded of an old person, complaining about the speed of drivers today and the recklessness or youth. Regardless of what you ride, the main danger is cars, stationary objects, and congestive heart failure. I'd rather get shaved by a decent rider on a sports bike than by a car or a truck.

The worst part of this debate (aside from losing another young guy on a bike) is that the public and the media will pounce on any excuse to point the finger at fast bikes and the "obvious" carnage that we cause. Nevermind the fact that it's mostly bikers dying from getting hit by cars.

Understand that there's a huge variation of riders out there, just like any interest you get people who are reckless, and those who are risk adverse.

I respect your right to express your anger on the subject, but if you want a safe hobby, suggest you might look at playing golf or knitting. Riding a cruiser for relaxation works well in the unpopulated American mid-west, but we have shit roads and terrible drivers (not helped by the poor handling cruiser itself).

I ride a GSXR1000 like the young guy who lost his life this morning, I ride it with respect and care - but I also know that life is random. My sincerest condolances to his family, loved ones, and friends.

[yod]

You've obviously missed the point, which seems to happen all to often in this forum.


You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, which seems to happen all to often in this forum.

[Sparky Mark]

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, which seems to happen all to often in this forum.

Is that right!...

Well, I've been riding a heap longer than you have. I'll also be very glad to relate a story of a trip I took over the Takas earlier this year with a friend of mine from Auckland who had just moved down here...

After warning him that the most dangerous thing on that hill is other dickshit bikers who are seemingly unable to control thier testorterone, a CBR something, overtook us on the inside of a bend as we were just about to cut the apex, forcing us into the oposite lane, followed by another biker over the other side who overtook just before a tight right hander, too hot and unable to make it, spilling himself, his bike, and heaps of oil down the road in front of me.
We could have been killed, he could have been killed, and besides that it completely F'd up our day out!

I'm quite happy to push my bike to my own or the limits of it's tyres but riding like a dick put's everyone else in danger and gives us all bad name.

So I'm quite confident I know what I'm talking about.! :Pokey:

[yod]

Is that right!...

Well, I've been riding a heap longer than you have. I'll also be very glad to relate a story of a trip I took over the Takas earlier this year with a friend of mine from Auckland who had just moved down here...

After warning him that the most dangerous thing on that hill is other dickshit bikers who are seemingly unable to control thier testorterone, a CBR something, overtook us on the inside of a bend as we were just about to cut the apex, forcing us into the oposite lane, followed by another biker over the other side who overtook just before a tight right hander, too hot and unable to make it, spilling himself, his bike, and heaps of oil down the road in front of me.
We could have been killed, he could have been killed, and besides that it completely F'd up our day out!

I'm quite happy to push my bike to my own or the limits of it's tyres but riding like a dick put's everyone else in danger and gives us all bad name.

So I'm quite confident I know what I'm talking about.! :Pokey:

:rofl:

nice story, but you suggested I was missing the point even tho you have no idea whether I was being serious, facetious or just taking the piss

so, you have no idea what you're talking about.

but nice story....

[sunhuntin]

hospital food... thats exactly why i stay on a 250. however, i do want to die on the road... but it wont be my fuck up that does it.

[Toaster]

Is that right!...
...I'm quite happy to push my bike to my own or the limits of it's tyres but riding like a dick put's everyone else in danger and gives us all bad name.

Well said and in context with what bmz2 was trying to communicate. Nice one.

Safe riding out there!

[Sparky Mark]

:rofl:

nice story, but you suggested I was missing the point even tho you have no idea whether I was being serious, facetious or just taking the piss

so, you have no idea what you're talking about.

but nice story....

I interpreted what you wrote and responded accordingly. I dont' feel i have to justify it further. Thank you... :whistle:

[cowboyz]

sunhunting: huh???????????????

hospitalfood: WTF?

Yod: I thought you were out of bourbon?

[yod]

I interpreted what you wrote and responded accordingly. I dont' feel i have to justify it further. Thank you... :whistle:

no, you MIS-interpreted what I wrote and responded based on pure assumption

so there isn't really any justification, is there...

thanks and have a nice day :done:

[yod]

sunhunting: huh???????????????

hospitalfood: WTF?

Yod: I thought you were out of bourbon?


finished the beer, on to the shiraz now....cheeky little number

[cowboyz]

Said 1000 times. It is not speed that kills. Outright dangerous riding and very dodgey overtaking puts other riders at risk. Sure if you go to the track then you expect someone to come past on your shoulder. But not everyone on the road is at racepace. This is the whole point. It is a public road and some *choose* to ride at a more conservative pace than others and that should be respected. And by respected I mean waiting until a safe pass can be made and passing with respect to other riders rather than picking off a gap that barely exists just to show how fast you are.

[HungusMaximist]

I'm reminded of an old person, complaining about the speed of drivers today and the recklessness or youth. Regardless of what you ride, the main danger is cars, stationary objects, and congestive heart failure. I'd rather get shaved by a decent rider on a sports bike than by a car or a truck.

The worst part of this debate (aside from losing another young guy on a bike) is that the public and the media will pounce on any excuse to point the finger at fast bikes and the "obvious" carnage that we cause. Nevermind the fact that it's mostly bikers dying from getting hit by cars.

Understand that there's a huge variation of riders out there, just like any interest you get people who are reckless, and those who are risk adverse.

I respect your right to express your anger on the subject, but if you want a safe hobby, suggest you might look at playing golf or knitting. Riding a cruiser for relaxation works well in the unpopulated American mid-west, but we have shit roads and terrible drivers (not helped by the poor handling cruiser itself).

I ride a GSXR1000 like the young guy who lost his life this morning, I ride it with respect and care - but I also know that life is random. My sincerest condolances to his family, loved ones, and friends.

That's a great post as it reminds of an article I read in a psychology mag.

It pretty just summarises how people get more racked up about negative news then positive news and misses the whole wider picture.

In terms of everyday morals it's like just having one cunt to fuck it up for all of us. Hypothetically speaking it's just like a fantastic airline company who has excellent track record of not screwing up. But the thing is nobody cares that much in how great of a 'service' they provide, but when they do screw up like have a crash, everybody start pointing fingers and shit like that.

Look BMZ, I totally agree with you on riders who act like a cunt on the road.
Yea, they should be taken off the road for nearly taking you out but who am I to judge them aye, they could be dicks overall or on the other hand they just did it because they thought it was 'fun' at the time without realizing it was stupid (this happens alot in life, trust me) and probably was a one off thing.

What I am trying to say is bro, just don't too worked up (yea I know it's your life on the balance), but you're not alone of this aye. Alot of riders like us go through this kind of shit and worse everyday. A car ran into me bike roughly a week ago.. then today I was cycling on High Street and this lady starts backing into me because she forgot to look behind her and thought I was a free parking space and I thought I was gonna get crushed literally... until I started smacking my fist on her rear window...

Yup, that's Auckland for ya... :rolleyes:

[Headbanger]

Thumbs up to the thread starter.

I agree whole heartedly, I have seen just as much if not more queer stunts pulled by people on bikes then in cars (with adjustment in regards to bike/car ratio)

That's the reason I don't buy into all this "biker brotherhood" melodrama that runs rampant around this board.

Respect the road and everyone on it. The impact will fuck you up, Best you don't take down others with you.

[Toaster]

HOW ABOUT SHOWING me some compassion i was nearly killed by my own kind

Hey fellow 9-rider. Don't be concerned with the stupid dribble posts of those that think with their knobs instead of their brains and wish to justify dangerous riding and speeding as if it is their given right to do so.

If you and Johnnyflash are saying they were dangerous then I believe you.

The both of you are courteous and sensible riders. The riders out there that are keen to show off are welcome to do it well away from those of us that enjoy riding motorbikes and want to live long and healthy lives.

We are here on this website and on these roads together, so lets support each other not kill each other. Riding within inches of other bikers while overtaking dangerously is just plain arrogant stupidity in action and bmz2 is well justified in being upset about it. So lets... :Playnice:

bmz2 I will buy you a beer next ride mate and you can tell me all the details. :beer::mad::blink::argue::beer:

[duckonin]

Good call bmz2, pretty much hit the nail on the head we know the feeling you must of had today in the heat of the moment,have had a few close one's ourselves (wife and I) through prats riding their so called superbikes at speed and passing on corners, christ all you hear is speed, speed, speed, bin, bin, bin,then a heap of winening, yet it is said so often ( it's all about the ride not the destination) slow down look around and enjoy the ride..cheers

[Katman]

I have to say it's refreshing to see a thread that fits perfectly with how I've felt about motorcycling for a long time now. Fuck the "brotherhood" - there's a whole lot of motorcyclists out there that need to wake the fuck up to themselves.

[98tls]

Good call bmz2, pretty much hit the nail on the head we know the feeling you must of had today in the heat of the moment,have had a few close one's ourselves (wife and I) through prats riding their so called superbikes at speed and passing on corners, christ all you hear is speed, speed, speed, bin, bin, bin,then a heap of winening, yet it is said so often ( it's all about the ride not the destination) slow down look around and enjoy the ride..cheers Mate i just pmd the guy in support of his thread but on a bike forum theres no point in posting that shit......in 30 odd years of riding ive seen dumb shit done by dumb fucks on all sorts of bikes,in this case it was sprotbikes and in others its not....simple really,read his thread and put it in the bank..no matter what you ride,all this will do is make grizzly old sprotbike riders (like me) get hot off there high horse,

[James Deuce]

Anyone who is faster than you is a maniac and anyone who is slower is an idiot.

[cowboyz]

woudlnt know - Havent found anyone slower than me yet........

[Katman]

It has nothing to do with "fuck the brotherhood" Although it is about personal responsibility.


Personal responsibility is the antithesis of "the brotherhood".

[98tls]

I can remember sitting in the garage one late summer afternoon having a few ales with fellow riders after a particulary fast romp over the pigroot and back,over the course of said romp there was "moments" had by all and the converastion was centered around said moments,any one of which could have but for the grace of god met with an early introduction to our maker.i was sitting on the garage floor with my back against the car which was getting uncomfortable..for what reason i no not but i thought about how uncomfortable it would be to hit it at speed.The fact that we are on this site would at least hint at an affliction for things with 2 wheels.Lets all enjoy them for a long time.

[bmz2]

shit i throught i was going to hit the black stuff , 1/2 ton of bike and me and 3feet wide of bike, corner and oncoming car and 2 sports bikes overtaking me, not much road left, not feet, inches:sweatdrop

[Toaster]

The fact that we are on this site would at least hint at an affliction for things with 2 wheels.Lets all enjoy them for a long time.

Great post, so true.

May there be many many more years of riding for all of us and many more laughs and cold beers as we share our women... er.... stories.

[James Deuce]

I still don't know what this thread is about.

[bmz2]

Great post, so true.

May there be many many more years of riding for all of us and many more laughs and cold beers as we share our women... er.... stories.

i'll share a beer with you , dude not my woman,shit was that you outsde my place the other day, when i came home early:Police:

[98tls]

I still don't know what this thread is about.
That does not surprise me Jim.Remember though if nothing else it couldnt possibly be accidental.

[Pancakes]

I'm reminded of an old person, complaining about the speed of drivers today and the recklessness or youth. Regardless of what you ride, the main danger is cars, stationary objects, and congestive heart failure. I'd rather get shaved by a decent rider on a sports bike than by a car or a truck.

I just don't wanna get cut up and for most of the riders I see it looks like more of a way of life than a one off where they got caught short.


The worst part of this debate (aside from losing another young guy on a bike) is that the public and the media will pounce on any excuse to point the finger at fast bikes and the "obvious" carnage that we cause. Nevermind the fact that it's mostly bikers dying from getting hit by cars.

Load of shit, most bikes crashes are single bikes. Whos fault would that be then?


Understand that there's a huge variation of riders out there, just like any interest you get people who are reckless, and those who are risk adverse.

I respect your right to express your anger on the subject, but if you want a safe hobby, suggest you might look at playing golf or knitting. Riding a cruiser for relaxation works well in the unpopulated American mid-west, but we have shit roads and terrible drivers (not helped by the poor handling cruiser itself).

Do people have to prove they're a real bad-ass by being part of a "dangerous" sport? Why can't riding be safe? If you want to risk it all and don't mind dying go to Iraq or some shit. I've been involved in rock-climbing, free diving building climbing and stunt work and pride myself on how I had the skill to things on the edge and still safely.


I ride a GSXR1000 like the young guy who lost his life this morning, I ride it with respect and care - but I also know that life is random. My sincerest condolances to his family, loved ones, and friends.

I never read the first post as referring to any specific incident except the one BMZ2 was personally involved in and why shouldn't he be pissed about it. I wish we had a 2 week gap in rider deaths so it was a more suitable time to post stuff like this was available. Hey, why not a year with out biker deaths? That'd be nice. I'm sorry too that someones parents have lost their son. The point of this thread (that I saw) was don't do the same to your parents or someone elses. AND I AGREE.

[James Deuce]

That does not surprise me Jim.Remember though if nothing else it couldnt possibly be accidental.
It wasn't by all accounts, accounts which I still haven't really unscrambled. Sounds like a bunch of people fucked up. You know, normal story.

[cowboyz]

well it seems you arent the only one. Boomer Pm'ed me to tell me he cant make sense of my posts and doesnt really care. In fact, he didnt care so much he Pmed me about no caring. That is some pretty uncaring about my posts going on there.





I'll put this bit down here and hopefully Boomer will have given up reading my post by now because of the effort that has gone into not caring about my post I would feel like a real bastard if I spoilt it for him.
The point of the thread is that some people do get offended when others ride in a dangerous manner around them. Just because a bike happens to be on SH16 that doesnt mean the rider is trying to get from one end of it to the other as fast as s/he can. Sometimes people just like to cruise. Sometimes (brace yourselves cause this is a kicker) , sometimes people like to cruise at a pace that is quicker than the speed limit allows. This doesnt mean they are racing. So next time you come across a bike (we will assume that being as you caught the bike up in the first place you are travelling faster than they are) then have a bit of thought about the way you get past.

Clear now? (except Boomer who is continuing not caring)

[98tls]

Great post, so true.

May there be many many more years of riding for all of us and many more laughs and cold beers as we share our women... er.... stories. To me anyway thats what this thread is all about...so simple really.I sincerely hope that if nothing else the people that dont get it one day look back and chuckle when it registers.

[James Deuce]

Clear now? (except Boomer who is continuing not caring)


Much better! Cheers! :niceone:

[Toaster]

i'll share a beer with you , dude not my woman,shit was that you outsde my place the other day, when i came home early:Police:

Hehe, nah mate, it's just bad form to shag someone elses Mrs. Must be another 9-rider stalker out there!

As for your beer fridge... needs emptying and so does mine!

[Shadows]

Anyone who is faster than you is a maniac and anyone who is slower is an idiot.

I thought all the slow people were homos.

[dogsnbikes]

well it seems you arent the only one. Boomer Pm'ed me to tell me he cant make sense of my posts and doesnt really care. In fact, he didnt care so much he Pmed me about no caring. That is some pretty uncaring about my posts going on there.





I'll put this bit down here and hopefully Boomer will have given up reading my post by now because of the effort that has gone into not caring about my post I would feel like a real bastard if I spoilt it for him.
The point of the thread is that some people do get offended when others ride in a dangerous manner around them. Just because a bike happens to be on SH16 that doesnt mean the rider is trying to get from one end of it to the other as fast as s/he can. Sometimes people just like to cruise. Sometimes (brace yourselves cause this is a kicker) , sometimes people like to cruise at a pace that is quicker than the speed limit allows. This doesnt mean they are racing. So next time you come across a bike (we will assume that being as you caught the bike up in the first place you are travelling faster than they are) then have a bit of thought about the way you get past.

Clear now? (except Boomer who is continuing not caring)


I agree with you mate

I came into this thread earlier and thought what the F--k is going on here nothing but nit picking tempers flaring

the point I got from the first post on here was in short respect other road user's....I think alot of people forget the basic rule of (the guy in front has right of way)

yeah its great fun chasing down the bike in front of you thats what most of us will do at some stage and there is always a time and place to do it

Cowboyz even though it took you a couple of times to explain your self too other members being someone who has ridden with you I knew what you were saying although your directions can be misleading at times I have never ever felt unsafe when out riding with you

[Toaster]

With all these comments revolving around SH16 it is no wonder our friendly Highway Patrol and STU cops patrol it with vigour.

I refer to my earlier post and it seems quite fair that bmz vent his frustration about a couple of bikers riding dangerously if he felt the need to do so - it is a forum which allows relative freedom of opinion last time I looked. Some people have very short fuses and need to see his thread what what was intended - a vent about some poor biker behaviour. Nothing more.

[The Stranger]

and whilst out today i saw johnnie hero on his cruiser trying to keep up with sprot bike riders...he ran off the road.. dick head !

its not the types of bikes or specifically the people riding them.. there are idjiots across all walks of life... This thread has its fair share.

all im asking for is some tact when posting right now... why insinuate things when people are dealing with stuff they shouldn't have to?

yeah good for you mate..wd for saving your off and good on you for ranting at idiots on the road. now suck it up and move on. in fact call *555 next time.

So Boomer, how was 16 today anyway?

[Fat Tony]

As somebody who rides my local UK roads (busier than any I saw in NZ) at pace, surely the issue isn't speed... it's about building up experience and having consideration for your other road users

(RIP fallen rider)

[riffer]

Out of respect for fallen riders, and in accordance with the site rules, I've moved posts which mention that topic from this discussion. The discussion is very relevant, and important, and I hope you all continue it.

However, can you please show respect for our fallen friend and keep to the original topic.

[johnnyflash]

shit i throught i was going to hit the black stuff , 1/2 ton of bike and me and 3feet wide of bike, corner and oncoming car and 2 sports bikes overtaking me, not much road left, not feet, inches:sweatdrop

Bmz2, If you had reacted poorly, your 1/2 ton of bike would have knocked his straight into the oncoming car, which then probably would have taken you also,
I could see it all in slow motion, they cut in front of me forcing me to brake and evade, then to my surprise, even right before the lefthander, they pulled out again and cut the Gwing off, forcing him to also hit the anchors, at that stage I was shaking my head, so was the GWing, and bugger me, now right on the tight lefthander, with oncoming traffic, they whip out pass the 109 and panic as they see the oncoming, try to cut hard left across the path of the 9, mate you not only saved at least your own life but theirs as well.... good fast reaction and decision making.. well done..

[dogsnbikes]

thankyou:niceone:

[boomer]

So Boomer, how was 16 today anyway?

good mate, no rozzas but there were a couple of retards on those pig ugly slow things.. cruisers.. the wobbly useless old fookah at the back nearly shat himself when we passed 'em and he almost went bush.. doddery old fool...they should learn how to ride properly

[bmz2]

Bmz2, If you had reacted poorly, your 1/2 ton of bike would have knocked his straight into the oncoming car, which then probably would have taken you also,
I could see it all in slow motion, they cut in front of me forcing me to brake and evade, then to my surprise, even right before the lefthander, they pulled out again and cut the Gwing off, forcing him to also hit the anchors, at that stage I was shaking my head, so was the GWing, and bugger me, now right on the tight lefthander, with oncoming traffic, they whip out pass the 109 and panic as they see the oncoming, try to cut hard left across the path of the 9, mate you not only saved at least your own life but theirs as well.... good fast reaction and decision making.. well done..

cheers johnny , still ended up a good ride ,nice to get home as well wiffy was getting worried

[Timber020]

There are idiots in every form of transport, a woman today pulled out infront of me on a Bicycle, I have been cut up or nearly run down by trucks, bikes, scooters, vans, cars, buses etc.

Choose a sport or occupation, you will always find the idiots, you will find the young bloods trying to prove themselves and learn the ropes, you will find the experienced guys who were as bad when younger, many of who would rather cruise than go hard. And there will be little understanding of each other.

Age old problem.

[bmz2]

well, well , we seem to have found the bikers who forced me off the road :spanking:and the other cruisers , so now i will arrange a meet with them :banana::girlfight::wari:

[johnnyflash]

There are idiots in every form of transport, a woman today pulled out infront of me on a Bicycle, I have been cut up or nearly run down by trucks, bikes, scooters, vans, cars, buses etc.

Very true, but you left out skate boards :lol:

Choose a sport or occupation, you will always find the idiots, you will find the young bloods trying to prove themselves and learn the ropes, you will find the experienced guys who were as bad when younger, many of who would rather cruise than go hard. And there will be little understanding of each other


There I would beg to differ, yep we all go through the stages as youngsters, learning the limits, learning the skills, difference was it seems, I at least was taught to respect others on the road, and certainly whilst I did some crazy stunts in my youth, it was done either on deserted roads or race tracks, (tarmac and dirt) and I generally try not to make the same mistake twice :lol:. (I can understand BMZ2's fury, if Im out hunting and points a loaded gun at me threatening my life I'm going to react, I'll be pissed off, its no difference to the road scenario) well yes maybe there is a difference, because I'd take the gun off him and beat his head in :rofl:
What on earth makes you think that cruisers cant go hard... just because someone wishes to cruise some or most of the time at close to road legal speed doesnt mean they cant or dont for that matter, its more a matter of time and place for these things.. Im sure those of you that have ridden with cruisers for any length of time have learned that they or there riders are quite capable of footing it with any other type of bike, though as they tend to be ridden by riders with years of riding experience they tend not to take quite so many risks..:Playnice:
I would say MOST, (not all) older riders have a very good understanding of younger riders,we've been where they are but they aint been where we have..:)

Age old problem.


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[Skyryder]

good mate, no rozzas but there were a couple of retards on those pig ugly slow things.. cruisers.. the wobbly useless old fookah at the back nearly shat himself when we passed 'em and he almost went bush.. doddery old fool...they should learn how to ride properly


In my experiance it's the 'old fools' that do know how to ride. It's one reason why they have grown old. Hope you make my age but with your attitude odds on you won't.

Skyryder

[bmz2]

he won't , read his post , if he is talking trash then thats cool ,if not then i wont be dailing *555:no:

[swbarnett]

What I take from this thread is that a lot of people are still confused. They seem to equate reckless driving and speed. They are not one in the same. Yes, reckless driving is often done at speed but driving at speed does not have to be reckless.

The two riders mentioned in the first post are reckless idiots, this would be true if the maneuvers mentioned were performed under or over the speed limit.

Also, I caught the hint that people already think today's accident was caused by speed alone. This is extremely premature. Just because he was doing 150km/h does not mean that this caused the accident. I for one do not yet know the facts and refuse to speculate.

[bmz2]

dude , agree , but thinkabout this my bike is 39" wide just over 8 1/2 feet long one lane road oncomming traffic and two sports bike sde by side overtaking on a left hand corner

[Timber020]

..............There I would beg to differ, yep we all go through the stages as youngsters, learning the limits, learning the skills, difference was it seems, I at least was taught to respect others on the road, and certainly whilst I did some crazy stunts in my youth, it was done either on deserted roads or race tracks, (tarmac and dirt) and I generally try not to make the same mistake twice . (I can understand BMZ2's fury, if Im out hunting and points a loaded gun at me threatening my life I'm going to react, I'll be pissed off, its no difference to the road scenario) well yes maybe there is a difference, because I'd take the gun off him and beat his head in
What on earth makes you think that cruisers cant go hard... just because someone wishes to cruise some or most of the time at close to road legal speed doesnt mean they cant or dont for that matter, its more a matter of time and place for these things.. Im sure those of you that have ridden with cruisers for any length of time have learned that they or there riders are quite capable of footing it with any other type of bike, though as they tend to be ridden by riders with years of riding experience they tend not to take quite so many risks..
I would say MOST, (not all) older riders have a very good understanding of younger riders,we've been where they are but they aint been where we have..
...................................


Read my post again carefully, take your time. I didnt mention cruisers in my post at all, or riding pace.

[boomer]

In my experiance it's the 'old fools' that do know how to ride. It's one reason why they have grown old. Hope you make my age but with your attitude odds on you won't.

Skyryder

You're either too senile or too slow. I'd hazard a guess at both; given your bike, uptake on my sarcasm and admitted old age.

How about you crawl back in your box and curl up ready for the reaper....'cos you know he's coming...old man.


ps.. it's "experience". Some learn quicker than others and some learn the hard way.

[raster]

SH 16 was great tiday and I saw 2 rozzers waiting down a side road.

I don't go on group rides anymore because I end up riding alone anyway.

I have a wife and family who I love, I want to live a long time yet.

I think many people experience the same as bmz2 with the temporary NZ'rs, it sure get the adrenaline running.

When your on a bike, incedents affect you more because your closer to them and more is at stake.

Consideration needs to be shown for all road users no matter what they are on or in.

[steveb64]

Said 1000 times. It is not speed that kills. Outright dangerous riding and very dodgey overtaking puts other riders at risk. Sure if you go to the track then you expect someone to come past on your shoulder. But not everyone on the road is at racepace. This is the whole point. It is a public road and some *choose* to ride at a more conservative pace than others and that should be respected. And by respected I mean waiting until a safe pass can be made and passing with respect to other riders rather than picking off a gap that barely exists just to show how fast you are.

Couldn't have put it better! Hell - if you're on a bike - it's not that bad waiting until there's no oncoming traffic to pass - you don't need much of a gap. Even if you just pick off the cages one by one. Often as not, if there's a group of you (particularly if some of them are Harleys), by the time the last ones gone through, the cars are half in the drain, letting the bikes past. Sometimes its fun being tail end charlie... ...and I usually give the cages a wave.:mellow:

Personally, I wait until I'm well away from ANYTHING that looks like a SH before I turn the wick up. Actually, that's why I downsized and bought the Ducati - to temper my addiction to ridiculous speeds (80 hp means about 210K flat out) otherwise I'd either have no licence (again, but for longer...), or be a smear down the road... - and to reduce tyre costs. Still has enough boogey to nip past traffic, without having to resort to white or yellow lining, and I can be polite, so if I'm stopped further on for a smoko break, I don't get hasselled by irate cagers. Now that sours the day.:angry:

Paid off once in Scotland (of all places) - 3 of us riding together, got seperated (well, lost 1) in Inverness, the missus and I knew which direction we were all supposed to be heading - as did the mate we lost - but we thought he was in front of us... Well, he had been, at the lights - with a van between us and him... We got out of town a bit and waited for 5 - 10 minutes - no sign. "Nope, he MUST be in front of us." So off we go. At 150k cruising, (missus on a RF900, me on the Duke - both new (then)), working our way past a longish string of traffic, missus in front, when I hear this WHHHIIRRR behind/beside me - look over and shit myself - cop on a bike right on my shoulder! SHIT!:shit: But he sails past me, so I figure "He's after the bike in front. This'll be interesting!". I've found cops often react differently when they pull someone over, the offender takes the helmet off, and it's a chick. Can quite take the wind out of their sails... But bugger me - he gives the missus a wave, and passes her and sails off into the distance!
So we just kept going same speed for a while - didn't catch up to mate - so slowed down a bit, then picked a town with a restaurant where we could park the bikes where they could be seen and stopped for lunch.
Mate turned up about 20-30 minutes later - he'd lost us at Inverness, thought (for some odd reason) that we'd gone back to the B&B we'd stopped at the night before, so went all the way back (to Loch Ness), didn't find us, and then gave chase...

[Edbear]

no, you MIS-interpreted what I wrote and responded based on pure assumption

so there isn't really any justification, is there...

thanks and have a nice day :done:



Miss-interpretations, assumptions, justifications...? Anyone would think this was KB...!!!:msn-wink:

Personally I agree with bmZ2! We've all done high speeds, (well, maybe not Sunhuntin...), and I would think most would be rather choosy about where and when! However, the type of riding bmZ2 describes is NOT what we should be doing to each other regardless of the type of bike we ride!

I remember having a "discussion" with my son-in-law about his driving one day. Now he's a very capable and safe driver and I trust him completely with my daughter and Grandson, but the issue was that he should drive according to the comfort of his passengers, rather than to his own capabilities. Yes, he was safe and competent, but his passengers weren't comfortable, but it was a mission to get him to drive well below his capabilities to make his passengers feel relaxed. The point being that riding with others means we should put our ego's aside and ride according to the comfort and safety of the other riders. We may think we're competent and safe, but if they don't, we are in the wrong, especially if someone were to crash due to reacting to our riding. It's called "consideration for others".

[Edbear]

What I take from this thread is that a lot of people are still confused. They seem to equate reckless driving and speed. They are not one in the same. Yes, reckless driving is often done at speed but driving at speed does not have to be reckless.

The two riders mentioned in the first post are reckless idiots, this would be true if the maneuvers mentioned were performed under or over the speed limit.

Also, I caught the hint that people already think today's accident was caused by speed alone. This is extremely premature. Just because he was doing 150km/h does not mean that this caused the accident. I for one do not yet know the facts and refuse to speculate.


Well said!

[The Pastor]

And by respected I mean waiting until a safe pass can be made and passing with respect to other riders rather than picking off a gap that barely exists just to show how fast you are.

i think u hit it on the head dude,

riding is not 100% about you (thats racing)

riding is about having fun - but not at the expense of anyone else.

gotta have a relaxed attitude on the road - ride fast be cool.:niceone:

[raster]

..... The point being that riding with others means we should put our ego's aside and ride according to the comfort and safety of the other riders. We may think we're competent and safe, but if they don't, we are in the wrong, especially if someone were to crash due to reacting to our riding. It's called "consideration for others".

Right on the Button there Edbear.
I used to drive Limousines at one stage and that made me aware of the comfort of others and have since driven accordingly, which include other vehicles around me.

[DEATH_INC.]

Mmmm, just remember there's this thing called 'perception', the riders may have thought there was heaps of room to pass......what I call slow you may not, what I call a big gap you may not.... etc etc....

[beyond]

Mmmm, just remember there's this thing called 'perception', the riders may have thought there was heaps of room to pass......what I call slow you may not, what I call a big gap you may not.... etc etc....

Without detracting from this thread in anyway, this is quite correct.
I've had it mentioned that I've cut a passing manouevre a bit fine in the past but I know full well I had plenty of room, didn't inconvenience anyone and accomplished it in safety.

Perception is a big thing and each person has a different perception on what they regard as a close call than say someone else.

I wasn't there in this case so can't make a call on this one.

[sunhuntin]

katman... thanks for the red. looks very festive on my rep page now... all green and red. lol. why though? stupid statement, my saying i want to die on the road? why not? what fun is there in dying bedridden, lying in my own filth because the rest home nurses are too useless to take proper care of people? or tied up to a shitload of tubes with machines doing everything for me? nup, that aint for me. ive already been hit once, and was shocked and a bit annoyed when i come out the other end and realised not only was i not broken, but i was also alive. bugger.

if i could afford it, i would live on the road, literally. and, as such, i will die by the road. how many bikers get the luck of dying while doing something they love? not many, thats for sure. and thats one comfort when reading of bikers killed... least they were doing what they love.

unless something else catches me, which is beyond my control, i will go under my own circumstances, and no one here is to pity that.

[Edbear]

Without detracting from this thread in anyway, this is quite correct.
I've had it mentioned that I've cut a passing manouevre a bit fine in the past but I know full well I had plenty of room, didn't inconvenience anyone and accomplished it in safety.

Perception is a big thing and each person has a different perception on what they regard as a close call than say someone else.

I wasn't there in this case so can't make a call on this one.



Point taken from you both. What I was saying is about perceptions and it's the perceptions of those we ride with that we should be taking into account.

I was told off by my wife, (don't look so surprised...!:bleh:), many years ago when driving the old Torana, for revving it too high, she was "supported" by my mother, (I said, don't look so surprised...!:eek:), and no amount of explaining the capabilities of the engine would placate them. So I learned to drive according to their perceptions...

When I was on my own, though...:msn-wink:

[deanohit]

Me also.
I believe as you get older, you find speed isn't the only thing required with riding. I was quite happy to lose 46hp from my ZX-10 to upgrading to my Guzzi V11 Sport.

You don't even have to be that old, I'm happy cruising along, the only reason I want to upgrade my bike is to cruise at 100 easier. :ride:

[Skyryder]

You're either too senile or too slow. I'd hazard a guess at both; given your bike, uptake on my sarcasm and admitted old age.

How about you crawl back in your box and curl up ready for the reaper....'cos you know he's coming...old man.


He's coming for everyone 'sonny.' Methinks he's spotted you before your time.

Skyryder

[boomer]

He's coming for everyone 'sonny.' Methinks he's spotted you before your time.

Skyryder

everyone goes when they go. no point fighting it.

some have more to learn than others hence there stay is longer... you're obviously not a quick learner :zzzz:

[toycollector10]

And lot of great and well reasoned posts in it.

I was riding today and it was just more of the same from my fellow motorcyclists.

To the guy who came up on me very, very, fast and overtook me on a left hand medium to slow bend. Why? You didn't know me from shit and I could have been a newby who was going to drift out and either hit you or push you into oncomming cagers. Ride with your light on too son, people will be able to see you that way.

To the two guys comming down Dyers Pass road: KEEP LEFT FUCKERS!

To the idiot with his fat GF on the back of his BMW who overtook me heading up Dyers Pass: KEEP LEFT. DON'T OVERTAKE ON A BLIND CORNER! DON'T CROSS THE DOUBLE YELLOW LINE ON A BLIND CORNER, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S A RIGHT HANDER YOU FOOL!

And on and on it goes. I don't know who the hell you are trying to impress.

I'm always bloody unimpressed by this sort of shit.

And that was just today.

[bmz2]

as i said before i throught it would be a cage that would take me out ,or the wife for the insurance:shit: , not a fellow biker :sick: wait untill a biker is killed by other biker, hate to see what happens then,

[Edbear]

: wait untill a biker is killed by other biker, hate to see what happens then,



It's happened. People are still hurting. There's a thread here somewhere.

[bmz2]

It's happened. People are still hurting. There's a thread here somewhere.

you are correct had forgotten about that , that just shows you, how quick people forget , thank you for reminding me:niceone:

[Fatjim]

Bmz2, If you had reacted poorly, your 1/2 ton of bike would have knocked his straight into the oncoming car, which then probably would have taken you also,


As somebody who rides my local UK roads (busier than any I saw in NZ) at pace, surely the issue isn't speed... it's about building up experience and having consideration for your other road users

(RIP fallen rider)

How can not pulling over for a faster rider not be poor reactions. BMZ2 waited until the guy was passing him to pull over? Reminds me of all the retards in cars txting on the way to work everyday. Consideration is making room for every rider, whether he's faster, or slower than you.

[Toaster]

Maybe it's time we called it a night in this Thread.

Enough frustration and abuse seems to have been exchanged between the involved parties.

Time to move on to more positive things huh?!

[boomer]

This threads like a Victor Meldrew memorial party... full of krusties.. whinning and moaning..... and funnily enough it sounds like they all have 1 foot in the grave.

why oh why don't you call *555 and moan there.. they have trained and PAID people to listen to you ffs.

[ceebie13]

This threads like a Victor Meldrew memorial party...

I don't bloody believe it!!

[boomer]

I don't bloody believe it!!

i'd bling you but i've been naughty. I did try and sweet talk Spank Me today at the Gixxer shoot but he wouldn't take responsibility....


;)

[BarBender]

Maybe it's time we called it a night in this Thread.

Enough frustration and abuse seems to have been exchanged between the involved parties.

Time to move on to more positive things huh?!


Yep thats probably a good idea...before somebody brings up this thread.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=57179
My sister was in a car with her mates going down SH16 when this big black bike barrels past them chasing a sportsbike.

[Toaster]

Yep thats probably a good idea...before somebody brings up this thread.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=57179
My sister was in a car with her mates going down SH16 when this big black bike barrels past them chasing a sportsbike.

Ha! yeah I wasn't there that time either. The difference is the posts and comments in the thread you link to were all done in good humour unlike some in this thread.

[BarBender]

Ha! yeah I wasn't there that time either. The difference is the posts and comments in the thread you link to were all done in good humour unlike some in this thread.

I dont give a flying fark about difference...and I completely fail to see the humour when my family are invovled.

[boomer]

Ha! yeah I wasn't there that time either. The difference is the posts and comments in the thread you link to were all done in good humour unlike some in this thread.

of course it is.

Dangerous driving coated in humor is ok.

Dangerous driving dripping in sarcasm, which you crusties don't get, isn't.

I'm now on the same page.. Thankyou! .. please come again.



And wd R... nicely pointed out; How apt.

[Toaster]

I dont give a flying fark about difference...and I completely fail to see the humour when my family are invovled.

Well if you have a problem, then go talk to those involved. I wasn't there.

[BarBender]

Well if you have a problem, then go talk to those involved. I wasn't there.

My beef was never with you Toaster.
And I have made my point to one of those involved.

[boomer]

My beef was never with you Toaster.
And I have made my point to one of those involved.

did he cry?

[Toaster]

My beef was never with you Toaster.
And I have made my point to one of those involved.

Sweet mate, I actually thought that thread was just a bit of fun banter between them... didn't realise there was a real incident in it.

I am always happy to take a friendly spanking for any posts I make that are out of line though. We are all on the same side.... I think!

[jafar]

As much as I have enjoyed reading this thread, there seems to be a bit of a double standard in it.
bmz was more than happy to tell all & sundry about how he gave a certain R6 the learn in here
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=57179\
But when a couple of sprotsbikes return the favour a while later he is up in arms over it.
We all have to share the road with each other & other traffic, the rules of the game are well known & usually ignored by all , often this is of no great consequence or if you have a bad day you might get a ticket.:buggerd:

Safe riding isn't something that is often commented on in KB, more often it is how fast / stoopid / scarey the ride was.
If we are to enjoy the freedoms as bikers that we currently have we had better learn to pull our heads in on the highway or there will be even more 'rider down' threads telling us what a great guy someone was & how it wasn't his fault, that a 'cage' hit him while he was overtaking. Or how his wife / girlfriend / kids /parents/brothers / sisters & mates are all gutted cos he is gone.

[Ixion]

Old men on crusiers demanding that everyone ride as slow as they do. Young men on sprotsbikes demanding that everyone ride as fast as they do.Tis an age old enmity.

Let everyone ride their own ride, and respect those whose riding choices are different.

Personally, although I am the slowest of slow riders, I have never experienced any problem with faster riders. If I see one coming up from behind I pull over and let him through. It seems to work quite well.

The point about perceptions is well made. A moment of opportunity that seems sufficient to young reflexes accustomed to cruising at 200kph may seem lunatically insufficient to an older rider who never ventures over 110kph. It is a moot point in each case who is right. If either.

I do wonder why crusier riders need such very large engines, though, if they are never to exceed the speed limit. I do not think that I am quite old enough yet for a crusier. Maybe one day.

[boomer]

Let everyone ride their own race....

Well said. I thought you'd retired ?

[Maha]

I did try and sweet talk Spank Me today he wouldn't take responsibility....



See thats where you went wrong Boom Boom....dropping to your knees would have fixed it......:hug:

[Toaster]

I do wonder why crusier riders need such very large engines, though, if they are never to exceed the speed limit. I do not think that I am quite old enough yet for a crusier. Maybe one day.

Quite simple, everyone to their own style of motorcycle. Mine ain't no armchair cruiser either.

Too old? Geez... I am only 35. Age has nothing to do with it. The M109R is no "old-man's" cruiser.

[SPman]

Perception of what is safe and what isn't, in any given situation, is a no win argument. Most riders will say they were safe, even if they get home with leathers full of brown stuff!
Gross stupidity in the actions of a few riders, however, with their apparent total disregard for the fact they are sharing the road with the rest of the populace, disregard basic road survival techniques (the passing on blind brows of hills, left hand corners, into oncoming traffic when they are relying on the other vehicle to get out of the way), leaves me gobsmacked, every time I see it. You get them over here, (W.A), as well.
There is an old saying I go by - "Ride fast - not stupid".
I just try and keep clear of them, hope to hell they only kill themselves don't involve other vehicles in their impending potential disasters, and learn some basic road survival skills before that event.
I enjoy riding quickly on the road - particularly a road I haven't been on before - beats track time any day, but I also want to get home at the end of the day. They way some riders ride, and the lack of road riding skills they display, makes me wonder sometimes........
Mind you, you get it with cage drivers as well...........

[Fatjim]

Too old? Geez... I am only 35. Age has nothing to do with it. The M109R is no "old-man's" cruiser.

Definitely not, that lump would rattle the fillings outa an old bugger.

[mstriumph]

..............................I do wonder why crusier riders need such very large engines, though, if they are never to exceed the speed limit. ..................

how ELSE would they get so much chrome on one bike? :devil2:

[HTFU]

There is an old saying I go by - "Ride fast - not stupid".

great old saying that :rofl:

Where did you come up with that one? :clap:

[SPman]

A California bike site I frequented in 1998-9 - Interactive motorcycle - had some brilliant articles on it, which, luckily I downloaded and printed out because the owner got pissed off with imbecilic behaviour and squidly stupidity amongst the biking fraternity and closed the site down!
He rode an FZR400 with a YZF600 motor shoehorned in...... he was no holier than thou, goody goody cruiser rider, just got sickened by pointless death after pointless death, by guys (and girls) with bigger egos than brains.
Shame, really, I haven't found a site to match it since.

[NighthawkNZ]

I do wonder why crusier riders need such very large engines, though, if they are never to exceed the speed limit.

Large engine is not always about speed... sometimes its about the low down torque...

[imdying]

Doesn't have to a lack of riding skills, KB has lost 'good' riders.... riding like a twat is more than enough. More KBers are going to die, the message will never get through. Bike type doesn't matter either, they're just bikes. Pulling wheelies and/or speeding in places without runoff just shows a lack of brains... do we really want a stupid person as the poster child for anti chesse cutters? If they find out it was speed, are they going to throw it back in our face? Is that going to set back having action taken against them?

[skidMark]

do we really want a stupid person as the poster child for anti chesse cutters? If they find out it was speed, are they going to throw it back in our face? Is that going to set back having action taken against them?


On behalf of N4CR:

So Dan is stupid?
DO YOU KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES OR THE CAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT, NO, SO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP BEING DISRESPECTFUL. - N4CR

[imdying]

I'm sure if that wasn't the case, then N4CR would've set me straight... but seeing as he hasn't, he can suck my balls. Putting our heads in the sand and ignoring the real issues isn't going to bring anyone back, and it sure as shit ain't gonna stop anyone from here dying in the future.

[skidMark]

In response to imdying...

From N4CR:

<DIR>can't be fucked making a 5th alt account to post and I can't say any more due to legal proceedings in that case with regards to the cause of the accident. rider NOT at fault in this case.
</DIR>

he will PM you on SB forums...

[imdying]

Fair enough. I don't see why, if it's the truth, as that'll come out in court anyway, why it can't be posted here though? I have a whole heap more sympathy for mechanical failures as opposed to excessive speed, and I'd bet I'm not the only one. But right now, it looks like another unnecessary death, and not because of the cheesecutters (as ghey as they are). Please, enlighten us!

[Grubber]

Come on fellas. Surely you didn't think that when you brought your bike you were going to be wrapped in cotton wool. Never mind the medium barriers, what about the tree the post the fence the wall. Do we wrap them in pillows too so we don't get hurt too much. Riders ride for the thrill or the wind or the freedom. Whatever it is they ride for there is an element of risk. Just live with it. Thats what the rest of us do. If some idiot cuts you off then chase him down and punch him till he gets the idea that he pissed you off. Then get back on ya bike and enjoy the rest of your ride.:scooter::scooter:

[Usarka]

Come on fellas. Surely you didn't think that when you brought your bike you were going to be wrapped in cotton wool. Never mind the medium barriers, what about the tree the post the fence the wall. Do we wrap them in pillows too so we don't get hurt too much. Riders ride for the thrill or the wind or the freedom. Whatever it is they ride for there is an element of risk. Just live with it. Thats what the rest of us do. If some idiot cuts you off then chase him down and punch him till he gets the idea that he pissed you off. Then get back on ya bike and enjoy the rest of your ride.:scooter::scooter:

Do you wear protective gear? if so, why?

There is also a risk driving a car. Should we not put up median barriers at all because after all everyone knows cars can crash. Being a pedestrian or a cyclist is pretty risky these days also - lets not worry about traffic light crossings or cycle lanes.

the issue is that something has been introduced that increases the risk for us (like there isn't enough already) when there are viable alternatives available.

[Edit:] hmmm not sure this belonged in this thread or not. oh well.....ftw.

[inlinefour]

Do you wear protective gear? if so, why?

There is also a risk driving a car. Should we not put up median barriers at all because after all everyone knows cars can crash. Being a pedestrian or a cyclist is pretty risky these days also - lets not worry about traffic light crossings or cycle lanes.

the issue is that something has been introduced that increases the risk for us (like there isn't enough already) when there are viable alternatives available.

[Edit:] hmmm not sure this belonged in this thread or not. oh well.....ftw.

Has anyone considered how unsafe it would be not to have them? Was my understanding that they are there to avoid head ons if a vhicle tried to go onto the wrong side of the road. Yes there is a risk doing certian things, but as adults its up to us to decide if we want to take the risk(s). :calm:

[raster]

Has anyone considered how unsafe it would be not to have them? Was my understanding that they are there to avoid head ons if a vhicle tried to go onto the wrong side of the road. Yes there is a risk doing certian things, but as adults its up to us to decide if we want to take the risk(s). :calm:

We don't want to get rid of them, just make them safer like they were supposed to be in the first place.
Thats being worked over in another thead.

[inlinefour]

We don't want to get rid of them, just make them safer like they were supposed to be in the first place.
Thats being worked over in another thead.

Sounds like a bloody good idea then.

[bmz2]

How can not pulling over for a faster rider not be poor reactions. BMZ2 waited until the guy was passing him to pull over? Reminds me of all the retards in cars txting on the way to work everyday. Consideration is making room for every rider, whether he's faster, or slower than you.

just read your post , think you have the wrong end of the stick. Could not pull over to allow a bike to pass , was on a tight left hand corner, and my bike needs every bite of road in a corner to get around it. The m109r has it faults , and one is corning ,it fat ass rear wheel and lowered 2 inches than stock tends to push the bike to wards the centre of the road , any body tying to overtake this beast on a corner and at high speed , is going to come off second best.Plus not one bike overtaking try 2, wheel to wheel If you were going to overtake, would you not wait till after the corner, same as you would do in a car. just a thought, have been wrong in the past and will be wrong in the future, but i still say lack of riding skills at high speed.

[Pixie]

I still don't know what this thread is about.

A guy on a cruiser got frightened by 2 guys on sprot bikes

[Pixie]

well it seems you arent the only one. Boomer Pm'ed me to tell me he cant make sense of my posts and doesnt really care. In fact, he didnt care so much he Pmed me about no caring. That is some pretty uncaring about my posts going on there.





I'll put this bit down here and hopefully Boomer will have given up reading my post by now because of the effort that has gone into not caring about my post I would feel like a real bastard if I spoilt it for him.
The point of the thread is that some people do get offended when others ride in a dangerous manner around them. Just because a bike happens to be on SH16 that doesnt mean the rider is trying to get from one end of it to the other as fast as s/he can. Sometimes people just like to cruise. Sometimes (brace yourselves cause this is a kicker) , sometimes people like to cruise at a pace that is quicker than the speed limit allows. This doesnt mean they are racing. So next time you come across a bike (we will assume that being as you caught the bike up in the first place you are travelling faster than they are) then have a bit of thought about the way you get past.

Clear now? (except Boomer who is continuing not caring)


F'in' greenies

[Pixie]

As somebody who rides my local UK roads (busier than any I saw in NZ) at pace, surely the issue isn't speed... it's about building up experience and having consideration for your other road users

(RIP fallen rider)

We are talking NZers here,Fat Tony,building up experience and having consideration for your other road users are usually the last thing they'll ever consider doing,
-look at the all blacks

[Pixie]

just read your post , think you have the wrong end of the stick. Could not pull over to allow a bike to pass , was on a tight left hand corner, and my bike needs every bite of road in a corner to get around it. The m109r has it faults , and one is corning ,it fat ass rear wheel and lowered 2 inches than stock tends to push the bike to wards the centre of the road , any body tying to overtake this beast on a corner and at high speed , is going to come off second best.Plus not one bike overtaking try 2, wheel to wheel If you were going to overtake, would you not wait till after the corner, same as you would do in a car. just a thought, have been wrong in the past and will be wrong in the future, but i still say lack of riding skills at high speed.

If you run 10 psi in the tyres,remove the balance weights,fit STUPID HIGH HANDLEBARS,you could make it handle even worse.

[Blind spot]

I only read the first and last page of this post but.
If some of these dickheads i read about on this site blowing about getting there knee down and how clever they are going fast had to go back to find there mate crashed of his bike and un concious in the drain with busted bones like i have they might re think there ride style.
I often wonder if some of the dreamers have ever been to a track day and enjoyed a good blast on there bike in controled situations?
Falling off a bike hurts fellas it's not a video game.
Ride safe

[steveb64]

just read your post , think you have the wrong end of the stick. Could not pull over to allow a bike to pass , was on a tight left hand corner, and my bike needs every bite of road in a corner to get around it. The m109r has it faults , and one is corning ,it fat ass rear wheel and lowered 2 inches than stock tends to push the bike to wards the centre of the road , any body tying to overtake this beast on a corner and at high speed , is going to come off second best.Plus not one bike overtaking try 2, wheel to wheel If you were going to overtake, would you not wait till after the corner, same as you would do in a car. just a thought, have been wrong in the past and will be wrong in the future, but i still say lack of riding skills at high speed.

BMZ2 - I've been following this post - figure it's about time to put my 10c worth in (would have been 2c or 5c worth, but damn govt keeps taking the coins away)...

I agree with you in that having TWO bikes go around you at the same time is a bit much - but why modify your bike to make it more dangerous "and lowered 2 inches than stock"?
Surely, with a motorcycle - particularly in NZ, on our crappy roads - you should be modifying it so it goes around corners better, NOT worse! It's not like you're riding on US freeways or European motorways... :doh:

As for overtaking around LH corners - sometimes that's the only way I can get past some of these damn cruisers/Harleys - bloody things can accelerate faster than I can down the straights, so I tend to (have to :weep:) follow for two or three corners (close enough that they 'should' hear me...), until I've sussed out their cornering style and lines, then come past under brakes. The Duc's got proper full floating cast iron discs, and grippy pads & tyres, so I might not be able to keep up with em on the gas, but I can beat most things under brakes. Then I stay sitting out by the white line, and get on the gas hard and get out of the way of the bike I just passed - and hopefully, I can stay ahead of them down the next straight... :oi-grr:

Besides - it could have been worse - they could have come past you on your LH side - around a RH corner!:shit: And YES, I know someone who does that (mate of mine, an ex-racer, nicknamed 'Barge', so I'm sure one or two here might recognise him - he's in Aussie these days...) occasionally, but I sure as hell don't!:innocent:

Errmm - and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong - but isn't it legal to ride two abreast on MC's?:whocares:

Not so much their lack of riding skills, as lack of sense and courtesy. Particularly courtesy. :done:

[Fat Tony]

We are talking NZers here,Fat Tony,building up experience and having consideration for your other road users are usually the last thing they'll ever consider doing,
-look at the all blacks

That bad eh? :lol:

I find this thread really interesting... we have a local bike meet at Squires Cafe , Sherburn in North Yorkshire. ALL types of bikes turn up, in their hundreds/thousands and ALL types of bikers get along, chat about their bikes whether they're sportsbikes, supermoto, cruisers, trikes, whatever... it's all about enjoying being on 2 wheels (3 in some sad cases ;))

Who gives a f**k what anybody rides? Yes, the type of bike you ride often dictates the way you ride on the road, so yes, obviously there are differences, but aren't we all just out to enjoy ourselves? (with consideration for others' safety... oh, there I go again... I forgot Pixie's info already :crazy:)

[Deviant Esq]

but aren't we all just out to enjoy ourselves?
We are... but within reason. Tell you what I hate - reading or seeing a thread come up on KB titled "biker down" or "RIP fallen comrade" or similar. "So? We all do" you might say, and we do all hate reading or seeing threads like that... but I'll get to my point shortly. It really makes me cross when some ignorant cager has failed to give way or see a biker and nails them, as it does all of us...

But what pisses me off more is hearing / reading about biker accidents where no other traffic is involved. That, I think, is what this thread is all about. All very well to get out and enjoy ourselves... but if a biker throws his or her bike down the road at 200km/h and kills themselves, that should make us way more annoyed than if an ignorant cager wipes them out. It's stupid and needless loss.

What is worse is when one such individual, who others can forsee having this kind of accident, is potentially endangering innocent people as collateral damage to their lunacy. That shit does not wash with me, nor does it with most people on here. You simply can't go out and endanger innocent people's lives, biker or otherwise. The sooner some loose units pull their heads in, the better motorcycling is for it.

[bmz2]

BMZ2 - I've been following this post - figure it's about time to put my 10c worth in (would have been 2c or 5c worth, but damn govt keeps taking the coins away)...

I agree with you in that having TWO bikes go around you at the same time is a bit much - but why modify your bike to make it more dangerous "and lowered 2 inches than stock"?
Surely, with a motorcycle - particularly in NZ, on our crappy roads - you should be modifying it so it goes around corners better, NOT worse! It's not like you're riding on US freeways or European motorways... :doh:

As for overtaking around LH corners - sometimes that's the only way I can get past some of these damn cruisers/Harleys - bloody things can accelerate faster than I can down the straights, so I tend to (have to :weep:) follow for two or three corners (close enough that they 'should' hear me...), until I've sussed out their cornering style and lines, then come past under brakes. The Duc's got proper full floating cast iron discs, and grippy pads & tyres, so I might not be able to keep up with em on the gas, but I can beat most things under brakes. Then I stay sitting out by the white line, and get on the gas hard and get out of the way of the bike I just passed - and hopefully, I can stay ahead of them down the next straight... :oi-grr:

Besides - it could have been worse - they could have come past you on your LH side - around a RH corner!:shit: And YES, I know someone who does that (mate of mine, an ex-racer, nicknamed 'Barge', so I'm sure one or two here might recognise him - he's in Aussie these days...) occasionally, but I sure as hell don't!:innocent:

Errmm - and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong - but isn't it legal to ride two abreast on MC's?:whocares:

Not so much their lack of riding skills, as lack of sense and courtesy. Particularly courtesy. :done:

i lowered the bike because i liked the look , and it rides well for what it is. They also recommend that i lower the bike because i have pushed the rear tyre to the max size , 240 to a 280/35 and it has ridden better since i have done this.It rides well for the size of bike and i am not interested in how fast i can take a corner , just enjoy riding this beast at a cruiser pace. Got back into riding for a stress release, but feel now that i am not welcome on the roads, even if i do ride on two wheels. It may just be my age but i enjoy viewing the countryside when i riding, and thats what i wanted to ride for to forget the bull and stress of work and have a bit of fun.The guy's that i have met on here and i ride with are a good bunch

[steveb64]

That bad eh? :lol:

I find this thread really interesting... we have a local bike meet at Squires Cafe , Sherburn in North Yorkshire. ALL types of bikes turn up, in their hundreds/thousands and ALL types of bikers get along, chat about their bikes whether they're sportsbikes, supermoto, cruisers, trikes, whatever... it's all about enjoying being on 2 wheels (3 in some sad cases ;))

Who gives a f**k what anybody rides? Yes, the type of bike you ride often dictates the way you ride on the road, so yes, obviously there are differences, but aren't we all just out to enjoy ourselves? (with consideration for others' safety... oh, there I go again... I forgot Pixie's info already :crazy:)

I've seen what some of the Brit biker meets are like - he's not joking! Some of the 'roadside cafe meets' have enough bikes to be a NZ weekend rally!

Hey Tony - have you been to NZ before? If you haven't, you're going to be in for a RUDE shock when you see what the roads are like!:sick:
Think of the roughest, most potholed 'C' road you know, widen it to two lanes, and you have the equivalent of State Highway 1. And they go downhill from there.:no: The motorway is slightly better, - but there's not much of it...

[Fat Tony]

We are... but within reason

I see you cropped off my "with consideration for others' safety..." bit mate ;) It took me ages to think about whether to apostrophe "others" or not too :lol:

Have to disagree with your comment about accident cause. If a biker is taken out by any other careless driver (car or bike) it gets my back up far more than hearing about somebody overcooking it, having a lapse of concentration, misjudging a turn etc... we've all done that

[Fat Tony]

Hey Tony - have you been to NZ before? If you haven't, you're going to be in for a RUDE shock when you see what the roads are like!:sick:
Think of the roughest, most potholed 'C' road you know, widen it to two lanes, and you have the equivalent of State Highway 1. And they go downhill from there.:no: The motorway is slightly better, - but there's not much of it...

Yeah I've been over mate, and can't wait to get back.

The roads around Yorkshire aren't much different to those you describe these days mate... it seems the only time council's get round to making repairs is when compo claims for damage caused by potholes gets higher than the cost of repair :angry: At least NZ roads don't have to cope with the same volume of traffic

Still... potholes, horse shit, gravel etc keeps you on your toes

[steveb64]

i lowered the bike because i liked the look , and it rides well for what it is. They also recommend that i lower the bike because i have pushed the rear tyre to the max size , 240 to a 280/35 and it has ridden better since i have done this.It rides well for the size of bike and i am not interested in how fast i can take a corner , just enjoy riding this beast at a cruiser pace. Got back into riding for a stress release, but feel now that i am not welcome on the roads, even if i do ride on two wheels. It may just be my age but i enjoy viewing the countryside when i riding, and thats what i wanted to ride for to forget the bull and stress of work and have a bit of fun.The guy's that i have met on here and i ride with are a good bunch

Jeez - 280! Bigger'n the tyres on the Pajero! Fair enough. And I can relate as to the stress release. The wife :angry2: ORDERS me out on occasion - I always come back in a much better frame of mind! :calm: :whistle:

I only joined here recently, but have been dropping by for a read, on and off for a couple of years now... Been on one KB ride - a Northland one - meet at Paparoa, then through to Whangarei/Maungatapere, across to Dargaville then through the forest. :woohoo:

"but feel now that i am not welcome on the roads" - IGNORE that feeling. It's called paranoia.:eek5: :calm: Or it's being caused by cagers masquerading as bikers...:crazy:

IMO - it's much better to get OFF anything resembling a SH asap - into the back roads. Less cars, less cops, and less bikes - and more room for everyone to pass or be passed.:chase:

[Deviant Esq]

I see you cropped off my "with consideration for others' safety..." bit mate ;)
Spotted it, just wanted to make the point a bit louder, is all. I know you're not that kind of rider! I'd have never gone pillion with you otherwise! Ah, the shit we got up to... fun times :niceone:


Have to disagree with your comment about accident cause. If a biker is taken out by any other careless driver (car or bike) it gets my back up far more than hearing about somebody overcooking it, having a lapse of concentration, misjudging a turn etc... we've all done that
I agree with you there, but my point is we should be far more annoyed about it - a biker taking himself out - than we are. Because a biker like that can quite easily take out other innocent people, since naturally they've lost all control over the direction they / their machine are going in and in what manner. Not getting into that situation in the first place, or limiting the amount of "ooops" by knowing your limits... A lapse of concentration, an "oops" moment for you or me might be pretty minor given we're not prone to overstepping the mark and if we do only by a little... but an "ooops" moment for someone taking bigger risks? That's what I mean, that's why we should be more annoyed.

[Fat Tony]

but an "ooops" moment for someone taking bigger risks? That's what I mean, that's why we should be more annoyed.

Ahhh, I'm with you now. Sorry, it's early :lol:

[bmz2]

Jeez - 280! Bigger'n the tyres on the Pajero! Fair enough. And I can relate as to the stress release. The wife :angry2: ORDERS me out on occasion - I always come back in a much better frame of mind! :calm: :whistle:

I only joined here recently, but have been dropping by for a read, on and off for a couple of years now... Been on one KB ride - a Northland one - meet at Paparoa, then through to Whangarei/Maungatapere, across to Dargaville then through the forest. :woohoo:

"but feel now that i am not welcome on the roads" - IGNORE that feeling. It's called paranoia.:eek5: :calm: Or it's being caused by cagers masquerading as bikers...:crazy:

IMO - it's much better to get OFF anything resembling a SH asap - into the back roads. Less cars, less cops, and less bikes - and more room for everyone to pass or be passed.:chase:


here's a sample of the beast , it's pure stress release

[Fatjim]

If you run 10 psi in the tyres,remove the balance weights,fit STUPID HIGH HANDLEBARS,you could make it handle even worse.
Or better yet, increase the size of the rear tyre to the Max just so it looks cool.

Never mind the fact that you look a tool on it.

[steveb64]

Yeah I've been over mate, and can't wait to get back.

The roads around Yorkshire aren't much different to those you describe these days mate... it seems the only time council's get round to making repairs is when compo claims for damage caused by potholes gets higher than the cost of repair :angry: At least NZ roads don't have to cope with the same volume of traffic

Still... potholes, horse shit, gravel etc keeps you on your toes

Hmm. We were over there in '96 on bikes - but not through Yorkshire... other than on the A1 - and in Doncaster, for a few hours, at the hospital, after my mate totalled his TDM850 into the back of a Mercedes on the offramp from the A1 to the M1.... Favourite bits were the Lake District (Looove those 'sudden crests'), and Scotland - particularly the road alongside Hadrians wall ('severe dip'), and down past Balmoral (more 'crests') :2thumbsup. In fact, of all the roads we travelled (15,000 km) through Europe and the UK, the closest roads to NZ were in Scotland! :love:
Did some more (near end of '01) driving around Hastings, and through to Taunton (New Forest was cool) and back - trying to do as much as possible on back roads... Still better than NZ! And the traffic volumes here are growing almost exponentially - one of the biggest problems is that they're letting bigger and bigger trucks on the roads, but not building the roads to a suitable standard for the trucks...:mad:

So - any idea when you're likely to be over?

[Fat Tony]

And the traffic volumes here are growing almost exponentially - one of the biggest problems is that they're letting bigger and bigger trucks on the roads, but not building the roads to a suitable standard for the trucks...:mad:

So - any idea when you're likely to be over?

You've just put me off moving :lol:

I'll PM you mate... going a bit off topic here ay?

[steveb64]

here's a sample of the beast , it's pure stress release
HOLY CRAP! Haven't seen one of those before! Do you have to watch out for bridges with weight limits? :buggerd::D

Ok - joking... :cool: Not my style, 'cos I need to ride 'lean forward' due to a stuffed back, but as far as I'm concerned, anything with two wheels and an engine qualifies as a bike - and therefore worthy of being on the road...

[steveb64]

You've just put me off moving :lol:

I'll PM you mate... going a bit off topic here ay?

:Oops: Hmm sort of rambling :( - tho the shite roads just exacerbate the whole topic of the thread... If they were better, then the speeding and lack of skills wouldn't be quite such a problem.

But drop us a line by all means!:beer:

[Patch]

:Oops: Hmm sort of rambling :( - tho the shite roads just exacerbate the whole topic of the thread... If they were better, then the speeding and lack of skills wouldn't be quite such a problem.

But drop us a line by all means!:beer:

Don't quite agree with you there Steve. It doesn't matter what condition the roads are in, nor the wheels you choose to ride/drive. Its more about the lack of or inability to make a good decision. Some people lack the vision, or just plain don't give a shit that their actions affect those around them.


Why is it? that when a "faster rider" comes upon a "slower rider" on the road, that the "faster rider" feels the need to pass. Why?
What the hell is wrong with sitting with them and enjoying the ride.


To me, it doesn't make stiff all difference what you ride, if you're an idiot - thats it, you're an idiot.

A good rider can ride any bike fast, it takes a mature/responsible rider to know when to do so.

[BMW]

Once again, it's a case of the few ruining it for the majority.

agreed! Most bikers I meet are nice people that are not idiots.

[BMW]

Why is it? that when a "faster rider" comes upon a "slower rider" on the road, that the "faster rider" feels the need to pass. Why?
What the hell is wrong with sitting with them and enjoying the ride.


nothing wrong with joining others in their ride. Sometimes it is nice to stare at her bum on a bike! hehehe

[Patch]

Exactly.

Attitude is a big part of "doing the right thing".


I'm so sick of hearing, so an so passed, and scraped their knee - blah blah blah blah, and I have to beat them under brakes to get past - blah blah blah.


Thats what race track is for. The road needs to be respected and those upon it.

[swbarnett]

Why is it? that when a "faster rider" comes upon a "slower rider" on the road, that the "faster rider" feels the need to pass. Why?
What the hell is wrong with sitting with them and enjoying the ride.
Some cruise, some ride fast. It's all about everyone being able to ride their own ride. The faster rider should not be in a hurry to pass to the point that they pass dangerously - respect the other rider's choose to cruise. At the same time the slower rider should expect them to pass so that they can enjoy their blat. It's all a matter of sharing the road and respecting each other's right to be there and ride their own ride.

[car]

I find this thread really interesting... we have a local bike meet at Squires Cafe , Sherburn in North Yorkshire.

And what an over-hyped hole that was.


ALL types of bikes turn up, in their hundreds/thousands and ALL types of bikers get along, chat about their bikes whether they're sportsbikes, supermoto, cruisers, trikes, whatever... it's all about enjoying being on 2 wheels (3 in some sad cases ;))

The antipathy between sportsbike riders and cruisers may not have presented very strongly at Squires (I wouldn't know; I lived in North Yorkshire for 13 years and went to Squires exactly twice) but it was present elsewhere. Especially in mags, or on the 'net, where it's all mouth and no trousers -- bullshit reigns. This kind of "cruisers are for fat old men/ sprotsbikes are for scrotes who want to kill themselves" crap is typical. People will always find a way to identify them and their tribe, as opposed to you and yours.


Who gives a f**k what anybody rides? Yes, the type of bike you ride often dictates the way you ride on the road, so yes, obviously there are differences, but aren't we all just out to enjoy ourselves?

Here we agree.

[Bass]

Some cruise, some ride fast. It's all about everyone being able to ride their own ride. The faster rider should not be in a hurry to pass to the point that they pass dangerously - respect the other rider's choose to cruise. At the same time the slower rider should expect them to pass so that they can enjoy their blat. It's all a matter of sharing the road and respecting each other's right to be there and ride their own ride.

I reckon that this sums it up pretty well.
As for myself, well, I ride because it's exhilarating and so I tend to go as fast as I am comfortable with.
Now, I am no racer and I know my own limitations. So if I come up behind another road user, before passing there are 2 things I consider: -
1. Do I think it's safe?
2. Will they think it's safe?

Pretty much everyone, thinks about the first one but all too many forget the second.

By the same token, if someone appears in my mirrors who wasn't there a few seconds ago, they are either: -
1. More skilled than me (quite likely) or
2. Riding/driving like a dickhead and a threat to both of us.

Either way, I want them in front of me where I can keep an eye on them and I make it so at the first real opportunity.

It seems to me to be simple logic with a touch of courtesy. Why does rank stupidity creep in so often?

[Fat Tony]

And what an over-hyped hole that was.

And still is mate :lol: I don't know if you know, or when you last went, but they moved venue a few years back to a pub just outside the village out near the A1... invested buggar all in doing the place up but still attracted/attract loads of bikes (and police looking to make their monthly quota of tickets for noisy cans - though none of the cruisers get pulled for their noisy cans, just the sportsbikes - and small reg plates - all to keep the roads safer of course).

The original owners of the business sold up last year... for a rumoured £million+ Nice money if you can get it.

(just remembered I negected to reply to your PM - ooops)

[Bytor]

And still is mate :lol: I don't know if you know, or when you last went, but they moved venue a few years back to a pub just outside the village out near the A1... invested buggar all in doing the place up but still attracted/attract loads of bikes (and police looking to make their monthly quota of tickets for noisy cans - though none of the cruisers get pulled for their noisy cans, just the sportsbikes - and small reg plates - all to keep the roads safer of course).

The original owners of the business sold up last year... for a rumoured £million+ Nice money if you can get it.

(just remembered I negected to reply to your PM - ooops)

Used to do The Waterman pub near Warwick - 3000 bikes on a Wednesday, stunts on public roads, bins, police road blocks and helicopter. This was one of several venues around Birmingham and this is where I witnessed most of the inconsiderate riding on public roads. Since being in NZ it's always been us Poms that I've seen doing stupid things on bikes - must have been poms that blitzed you BMz2

[steveb64]

Don't quite agree with you there Steve.

That's your prerogative.:dodge:

It doesn't matter what condition the roads are in, nor the wheels you choose to ride/drive. Its more about the lack of or inability to make a good decision. Some people lack the vision, or just plain don't give a shit that their actions affect those around them.

Yep. I'd have to be in agreement with you on that one. Totally.

Why is it? that when a "faster rider" comes upon a "slower rider" on the road, that the "faster rider" feels the need to pass. Why?

Because (in my experience), the slower rider is often riding at an inconsistent pace - speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down...
As in "There's a straight! BWROOAARR. OH - there's a corner! BRRAAAKKKE..."

What the hell is wrong with sitting with them and enjoying the ride.

Nothing. If they're (the slower vehicle) sitting at a consistent speed on the straights AND the corners (and I cruise at a steady 110k on any sort of main (or where the cops hang out) road, then I'll quite happily tuck in behind and follow - be it a bike or a cage. Do it quite often on long (500+ kms) rides, as it's a good way to have a rest, but still cover plenty of ground.
If they're NOT being consistent, then I'll pass whatever it is, as soon as it's SAFE to do so. I'm patient. I can wait. But sometimes, circumstance (and the others riding style) dictate that the ONLY place I can pass, is around the outside... :argh:

To me, it doesn't make stiff all difference what you ride, if you're an idiot - thats it, you're an idiot.

Yep again. I've done a lot of riding and driving over the years - many Northland to Wellington in a day type trips, as well as a bit of driving and 15,000kms in 9 weeks on a bike (the Duc) overseas - mostly in the UK and Europe - and the WORST driving I've seen - has been in NZ (though the Portugese were pretty crazy...).

A good rider can ride any bike fast, it takes a mature/responsible rider to know when to do so.

Still agreeing with you. I'm definitely in the grey haired class, and rapidly getting wrinkly :angry2: - but MY kick from riding comes from going around corners. Fast. That's why I bought the Duc. And thats why I rarely pass cruisers - because the roads I head for are generally NOT the ones cruisers head for.

And BTW - I pass big bore sports bikes 'round the outside too. When I can...:whistle:

[Pancakes]

...........Why is it? that when a "faster rider" comes upon a "slower rider" on the road, that the "faster rider" feels the need to pass. Why?
What the hell is wrong with sitting with them and enjoying the ride.........................

Why does a slower rider ride slow? Why even ride a bike? Why go out of the couse when you can take a bus to work and get your shopping delivered? I am confident BMZ2 Doesn't give a shit about being passed, most people don't and I quite enjoy a perve at a bike getting caned. It's the courtesy part that was the point but is clearly being overlooked in this thread. I normally will have seen riders a few turns or K's before I catch them and tuck in behind so I know if they're going about the same pace or if they're going slower. I don't care if they are. I'd hate for someone to get out of their comfort zone on the road and be infront of me at the same time but once there is a place to pass, why the hell not? Don't buzz them or put yourself at risk and carry on your merry way. I think BMZ was pointing out that most riders would view riding close through a corner and passing in the way descibed as less than ideal.

It's a bit of give and take ay guys?

[Fatjim]

This is all getting a bit boring, time to stoke the fires.

Why do BMW owners seem to drive their bikes, as in they seem to think that a bike should be driven like a car. Man they give me the creeps. Its all so German. :crazy:

[Luckylegs]

This is all getting a bit boring, time to stoke the fires.

Why do BMW owners seem to drive their bikes, as in they seem to think that a bike should be driven like a car. Man they give me the creeps. Its all so German. :crazy:

Maybe we should stop waving and nodding at them... that'll teach em ! :dodge:

[Fatjim]

I wave at them, honk at them and generally gesticulate and they still won't get out of the way.

[98tls]

Still agreeing with you. I'm definitely in the grey haired class, and rapidly getting wrinkly :angry2: - but MY kick from riding comes from going around corners. Fast. That's why I bought the Duc. And thats why I rarely pass cruisers - because the roads I head for are generally NOT the ones cruisers head for.

And BTW - I pass big bore sports bikes 'round the outside too. When I can...:whistle: Nicely put you old fart:shifty:by the way be thankful for the grey hairs...im past that and am developing my own Halo,mind you mum did always call me her "little angel"

[steveb64]

Nicely put you old fart:shifty:by the way be thankful for the grey hairs...im past that and am developing my own Halo,mind you mum did always call me her "little angel"

Heh. :chase: Shiny bits I'm not worried about (except on the road) - genetics say mine'll be OK,... but you know the line about pets and their owners... my hair's greyer.:laugh:

[98tls]

Pets and there owners eh.........well my case dispels that rumour,get this hairy bugger

[steveb64]

Pets and there owners eh.........well my case dispels that rumour,get this hairy bugger
LOL! :niceone: Yeah - right - you were just hoping it would come true for you too!:rolleyes::msn-wink:

[Pancakes]

Pets and there owners eh.........well my case dispels that rumour,get this hairy bugger

Are you sure? Rumour has it you stick your ass in the air and pant all the time?! I... um... read it on MySpace.

[98tls]

Are you sure? Rumour has it you stick your ass in the air and pant all the time?! I... um... read it on MySpace. Funny that,when i asked your mrs why she was playing away she said "the guys a numb nuts...he cant even read for farks sake":jerry: