Disqualified rider can still ride in NZ?

[fredie]

hi i am going too be disqualified soon here in sydney . can i ride in nz if i have lost my licence here in sydney .or do i get my international licence .now before i lose it here . or do i just come over too nz and get my nz licence :shutup:or i have been told i can ride in nz on my aussie licence for 12 months but it will be disqualified in aussie .its very confusing isnt it :gob::shit::yawn:

[TLMAN]

hi i am going too be disqualified soon here in sydney . can i ride in nz if i have lost my licence here in sydney .or do i get my international licence .now before i lose it here . or do i just come over too nz and get my nz licence :shutup:or i have been told i can ride in nz on my aussie licence for 12 months but it will be disqualified in aussie .its very confusing isnt it :gob::shit::yawn:

You do not hold an Aussie licence anymore as it is disqualified. When you come to NZ you will not hold a license and will have to obtain a NZ learner license and start from scratch.

[TLMAN]

.or do i get my international licence .now before i lose it here .:


You could try but they will check your driving history with the police:Police: and will probably pick up the fact that you will soon be disqulified thereby declining your application.:weep:

[Quasievil]

Got enought crap road users here already dont need another, if youre disqualified we prefer you cant drive on our roads either

[Bren]

Got enought crap road users here already dont need another, if youre disqualified we prefer you cant drive on our roads either


What he said!

[fliplid]

Seems to be a lot of this kind of thing going on in these parts...

[HungusMaximist]

hi i am going too be disqualified soon here in sydney . can i ride in nz if i have lost my licence here in sydney .or do i get my international licence .now before i lose it here . or do i just come over too nz and get my nz licence :shutup:or i have been told i can ride in nz on my aussie licence for 12 months but it will be disqualified in aussie .its very confusing isnt it :gob::shit::yawn:

When I swapped my New Zealand drivers license over for a Victorian One (Melbourne City) all they did was grabbed my Australian details, punched a hole in my NZ license, gave it back to me and issued me with a Victorian one.

I don't think they checked past history as long as you had your license issued in country within the golden triangle (U.K, NZ, and other countries that I can't name). On the other hand, Australia and New Zealand don't share driver license databases (somebody correct me here).

I think you'll be alright, as long as you keep your current driver license and if they try and confiscate your license, just say you lost it. You don't need a international driver license if you're coming from OZ.

You also start behaving better when you start driving/riding in New Zealand...! :oi-grr:

[fredie]

i have never lost licence before.but what happened is i did a 1 foot wheelie .and a cop was in a bus going home , he witnessed it ,got the number plate tracked me down ,took me too court .for dangerous riding :crazy:suspension 3 months, then i got caught driving my van twice . now they want too disqaulifie me for a few years:argue:i really got a cop from hell in the first place ,just my bad luck i guess ,then i stuffed up big time by driving my van ,oh well ;):weep:when they eventualy disqualifie me in court .i wont hand my licence over . i will keep my copy :clap: so i can get my fulls in nz :clap:please confirm that nz RTA wont check aus records:whistle:

[skidMark]

cut him some slack guys pretty easy to loose your license we all know that...and on an rg500 it aint hard lol:Oops:

[skidMark]

i have never lost licence before.but what happened is i did a 1 foot wheelie .and a cop was in a bus going home , he witnessed it ,got the number plate tracked me down ,took me too court .for dangerous riding :crazy:suspension 3 months, then i got caught driving my van twice . now they want too disqaulifie me for a few years:argue:i really got a cop from hell in the first place ,just my bad luck i guess ,then i stuffed up big time by driving my van ,oh well ;):weep:when they eventualy disqualifie me in court .i wont hand my licence over . i will keep my copy :clap: so i can get my fulls in nz :clap:please confirm that nz RTA wont check aus records:whistle:


sounds like yer proper fucked lol

meh just ride no license no numberplate...and don't get caught. hope ya good at runners...

[HungusMaximist]

Look you'll be fine, like I said, just said you lost it.

Haha, yea Wheelies are a bitch aye, you never know who the fark is watching. Just make sure next time you pull a wheelie you're doubley sure there's no cops.

I don't know if this has ever worked but you could always say you just lost your front when you grabbed the throttle and you've just started learning how to ride....

But cops busting your arse while they're heading home on a bus is a pretty hardcase....

Sounds like he's just a bit too commited....

[tri boy]

Driving while disqualified and caught. About $500 first offence.

Cause an accident, or maime someone, or do property damage ..........Now thats a different story.:Pokey::spanking::Oi::crybaby:

Ask yaself this, "Are Ya Feeling Lucky"?:confused:

[fredie]

i need too front up too court here. but i wont hand my licence over .i will keep a copy .its a gold one 5 year licence . then i can come over too nz:2thumbsup:chase:and get my fulls . will the nz RTA check aus records.and find out im didqualified????:spanking:

[Toaster]

I know the international licence rules were changing last year. Not sure of the ins and outs of it now. I am pretty sure you needed a permit as well as you own country licence.

I think if you are unable to produce a licence on the roadside here, you would be considered unlicensed as they won't have access to Aust. records. $400 fine and "forbidden to drive" last I am aware.

If though you produce a licence or copy of a licence to give the impression you are licensed when you are actually unlicensed or disqualified - you will be charged with using a document (fraud charge)... that is a criminal charge, not a traffic charge.

If you drive or ride while disqualified, say goodbye to your bike. It will be taken from you. You would be summonsed to court or you may get to wear some nice metal braclets, get your photo taken and some nice prints ataken as a momento of your visit to NZ.

Do it the right way and get the matter sorted with the authorities. Then you may be able to ride without the worry of getting caught.

[bmz2]

dude , take the fine and loss , resit a nz licence,or do a fast trip to raro and get a full licence and then transfer that to a nz licence , but be quick because that loop hole is going to be closed

[fredie]

i want too do the right thing and be fully licenced in nz ,where is raro , i thought that loophole is closed:Police:

[tri boy]

Listen carefully fredie........"take Toasters advice".:clap:
I've been down the false ID gig funnily enough in your neck of the woods, and I'm telling you, it quickly goes from a relaxed "side of the road issue" into a criminal matter:
Supplying Voided document.
Wilfully misleading a police officer. (a biggy).:bash:
Supplying false name and address> (attempted to cover my arse):2guns:
As well as a couple of traffic infringements.:whistle:
Dude, its not worth it. Ride a RGV250 on a learners, and enjoy the twisties.:yes::scooter:

[fredie]

can the nz RTA check aussie records

[HungusMaximist]

Listen carefully fredie........"take Toasters advice".:clap:
I've been down the false ID gig funnily enough in your neck of the woods, and I'm telling you, it quickly goes from a relaxed "side of the road issue" into a criminal matter:
Supplying Voided document.
Wilfully misleading a police officer. (a biggy).:bash:
Supplying false name and address> (attempted to cover my arse):2guns:
As well as a couple of traffic infringements.:whistle:
Dude, its not worth it. Ride a RGV250 on a learners, and enjoy the twisties.:yes::scooter:

I don't get what you mean by false I.D?

If he has a disqualified Australian license it doesn't stop him being able to drive/ride here as long as he can produce his OZ license. You can either get it converted or you can keep using your Australian license.

Of course, this is probably not legal but as New Zealand probably won't be checking Australian license records as they are not linked by anyway. Like I mentioned when I converted my New Zealand license (but I wasn't required as legally you can use if for 12 months on the day you first arrived or start using a vehicle) they didn't ask me if I was disqualified or what. I signed the papers and they punched a hole in my NZ license and gave me a Victorian license as I needed it to sit the motorcycle test.

Fredie is only gonna get pinged if he does something really stupid, like literally really stupid, but then again I still wonder land transport/police going to access the Australian database to work out if he is disqualified.

I don't think Fredie is gonna go out there and give false details. He just wanna know if he can drive/ride in New Zealand with a 'going to be disqualified OZ license'.

Legally no, but I don't think there's anything here who is gonna check.
But if you wanna play it safe you can always resit the whole damm thing,

[fredie]

it looks like i need too go too nz and get my full nz licence . before i get disqualified here ,in a few months .. because i dont want be stuck on my nz learners L plate licence . because i have a yamaha r1 aswell that i like too ride over there:drool:

[tri boy]

Can't say you were not warned.:oi-grr:
Do what ya like. Just don't whinge on here about a 2k charge against you when ya get nabbed.:doh:

[fredie]

i am doing the right thing :beer:. by getting my full aus licence transferd too a full kiwi licence . before im disqualified here in sydney . because if i leave too late. after im disqualified i will need too go on my nz L plates 250cc licence:weep:which i can avoid :hug:

[NinjaNanna]

As part of the License Transfer Procedure you need to supply your license record from Australia - not sure if this will stuff you up or not - but you need to supply the transcript.

[fredie]

tanscript .or record on paper . or my official NSW licence . i can do all that .no worries :clap:

[bikerlou]

sounds like yer proper fucked lol

meh just ride no license no numberplate...and don't get caught. hope ya good at runners...




:bash::weird::spanking:

[Skyryder]

The real downside is that if anything turns to custard, and I'm not just talking 'bout speed or related offences but those far more serious then you will not have a leg to stand on even if 'whatever' is no fault of your own. So it's shit without you licence, cream it for whatever reason and diarrhoea will be your fill for long long time.

Skyryder

[Ixion]

With respect, I think that some posters have misunderstood the OP's position. And, if I understand it correctly, it raises a most interesting point of law. Most interesting indeed.

The OP is not intending to assume a false identity. Or to make any false or misleading statement.

He has at present, legitmately, a valid Australian licence. He may obtain a New Zealand licence, presenting his Australian licence as evidence of his competance. There is in fact no such thing as a "conversion" of licence. What happens is that LTSA accept the foreign licence as evidence of competance and thus waive the test requirements. So far , so good. He intends to do nothing more than many people do each year.

However, the OP has been naughty. He is shortly to have to appear in court, and he expects that as a result the Australian court will disqualify him. Now, this fatc is NOT relevant to his application for a New Zealand licence (assuming he applies before the court hearing). After all, one is innocent till proven guilty. He is not disqualified until the court so orders.

So, the interesting question is: if the Australain court does disqualify him, it will in fact rule that he may not hold or apply for a licence IN AUSTRALIA. Can it also rule that he may not hold a licence in New Zealand ? I think not. NZ is a sovereign country, the rulings of Australian courts do not apply here. Indeed, even someone convicted for a serious crime (say murder) by a foreign court can only be arrested by the NZ police once a NZ court has made an order. The Australian writ will not run in NZ until endorsed by a NZ court.

If he has already been disqualifed when he applied for the NZ licence, then he can only gain the latter by a false (and criminal) statement. And LTSA do check the status of the foreign licence presented. But that is not what he proposes. He proposes to obtain a NZ licence legally before his (probable) disqualification. And bear in mind, it is possible, though unlikely, that he might NOT end up being disqualified . Prosecutors have stuffed up before today.

The interesting question then is : does a subsequent disqualification of the licence used to evidence competance retrospectively invalidate the legally issued NZ licence. I do not think it can. But it is a most interesting point and I would be very glad to hear argument from some of the site members more qualified than I to comment.

(Even if this is not the OPs position, it is a possible scenario, and the interesting point is still valid)

[The Pastor]

Hahaha, yeah go for gold mate!

How does it work tho, when you show ur oz licence to the ltsa or whoever - do they issue you a NZ licence or just let you drive on ur oz licence in NZ?

It sounds like its a grey area in the law - could go either way.

[fredie]

With respect, I think that some posters have misunderstood the OP's position. And, if I understand it correctly, it raises a most interesting point of law. Most interesting indeed.

The OP is not intending to assume a false identity. Or to make any false or misleading statement.

He has at present, legitmately, a valid Australian licence. He may obtain a New Zealand licence, presenting his Australian licence as evidence of his competance. There is in fact no such thing as a "conversion" of licence. What happens is that LTSA accept the foreign licence as evidence of competance and thus waive the test requirements. So far , so good. He intends to do nothing more than many people do each year.

However, the OP has been naughty. He is shortly to have to appear in court, and he expects that as a result the Australian court will disqualify him. Now, this fatc is NOT relevant to his application for a New Zealand licence (assuming he applies before the court hearing). After all, one is innocent till proven guilty. He is not disqualified until the court so orders.

So, the interesting question is: if the Australain court does disqualify him, it will in fact rule that he may not hold or apply for a licence IN AUSTRALIA. Can it also rule that he may not hold a licence in New Zealand ? I think not. NZ is a sovereign country, the rulings of Australian courts do not apply here. Indeed, even someone convicted for a serious crime (say murder) by a foreign court can only be arrested by the NZ police once a NZ court has made an order. The Australian writ will not run in NZ until endorsed by a NZ court.

If he has already been disqualifed when he applied for the NZ licence, then he can only gain the latter by a false (and criminal) statement. And LTSA do check the status of the foreign licence presented. But that is not what he proposes. He proposes to obtain a NZ licence legally before his (probable) disqualification. And bear in mind, it is possible, though unlikely, that he might NOT end up being disqualified . Prosecutors have stuffed up before today.

The interesting question then is : does a subsequent disqualification of the licence used to evidence competance retrospectively invalidate the legally issued NZ licence. I do not think it can. But it is a most interesting point and I would be very glad to hear argument from some of the site members more qualified than I to comment.

(Even if this is not the OPs position, it is a possible scenario, and the interesting point is still valid)

yes thats the situation im in right now . i have a NSW 5 year gold full car and bike licence , i can ride any size bike , but its 99% chance i will be convicted for drive while suspened , and will be disqualified for a few years:weep: its automatic by the RTA too give you atleast 1year disqualified but i was caught twice .so the judge can if he or she likes up too 7 years disqualified:angry2::weep:, but the final court date is in 6 too 8 weeks . so my licence is still valid until then;)

[Ixion]

Here is the law, from the Driver Licensing Rule



[89Obtaining New Zealand driver licence

(1)A person is entitled to apply for, and be issued with, a New Zealand driver licence to drive the same class or classes of vehicle if that person holds an overseas driver licence or permit of a type specified in clause 88(1)(a), even if that licence has expired within the 12 months immediately preceding the date of application.

(2)Before a New Zealand driver licence may be issued under subclause (1), the person must—
(a)apply for a driver licence under clause 9 and comply with the requirements of clauses 10 to 14; and
(b)pass the appropriate theory test under clause 45 for the class of driver licence that the person is applying for; and
(c)unless clause 89A(1)(b) applies [it does] , pass the appropriate practical driving test in accordance with clauses 48, … 51, and 53; and
(d)produce his or her overseas driver licence or permit, as specified in clause 88(1)(a), and, if the overseas driver licence or permit is not in English, an accurate English translation of the overseas driver licence or permit; and
(e)sign a statement that—
(i)the person's overseas driver licence or permit is not suspended or revoked; and
(ii)the person is not disqualified from holding or obtaining a driver licence or permit in the country where the overseas driver licence or permit was issued; and [obtain a medical certificate in some cases not relevant here]


IANAL. So do not rely on this information. But it does sound as if there is a wee loophole that you might take advantage of. But your window of opportunity is small.

Some may think that this is unjust. Or unfair, or illlogical.So do I. But, hey, we are talking about the law here, and when was the law ever concerned with justice. Or fairness, or logic.

[fredie]

the way i see it . i come over too nz ,swap over too a full nz licence before my aussie licence is disqualified , or if in a later date after my aussie licence is disqualified ,i come over and do all the tests and go on a nz L plate 250cc licence . thats it . is there any other info .please help , thankyou all the best:msn-wink:. what would you do if you were in my situation :mobile:

[ZeroIndex]

Here's an idea (which I did with my car license when I got to NZ)... mind you, this only works if you actually still have the plastic license card on you... just go down to the local AA (once you're in New Zealand), and do a "conversion/transfer" test... It's just the Learner's License equivalent test (scratch 'n win), and once you pass that, they issue you with a full NZ license (that is of course, if you had/have a Full Australian license...

[fredie]

yes i still have my current plastic card licence . :yes:

[fredie]

yes my licence is still currenty valid:clap: . i still have the original plastic card with my picture :clap:.what is the ''LOCAL AA'' ?????:blink:

[ZeroIndex]

yes my licence is still currenty valid:clap: . i still have the original plastic card with my picture :clap:.what is the ''LOCAL AA'' ?????:blink:
The AA (Automobile Association) is who generally takes care of handling licenses and switching them over from other countries to New Zealand licences etc

[fredie]

im getting confused again . so i go too the NZ RTA or LOCAL AA:blink:;)

[ZeroIndex]

im getting confused again . so i go too the NZ RTA or LOCAL AA:blink:;)
um... wait till you get here, and then get it sorted out?

[Kinje]

Here's an idea (which I did with my car license when I got to NZ)... mind you, this only works if you actually still have the plastic license card on you... just go down to the local AA (once you're in New Zealand), and do a "conversion/transfer" test... It's just the Learner's License equivalent test (scratch 'n win), and once you pass that, they issue you with a full NZ license (that is of course, if you had/have a Full Australian license...


um... wait till you get here, and then get it sorted out?

He probably needs to sort it before he gets here (if possible). I suspect this "conversion/transfer" is provided for by the legislation Ixion quoted, and that process included a statement that the "overseas license is not suspended or revoked."

Here is a link to LTNZ (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/factsheets/56.html) who are the ones that make up the rules. The AA are the place that do the frontline work where you can fill in the forms, book the tests, and stare into the eye test machine.

[ZeroIndex]

He probably needs to sort it before he gets here (if possible). I suspect this "conversion/transfer" is provided for by the legislation Ixion quoted, and that process included a statement that the "overseas license is not suspended or revoked."

Here is a link to LTNZ (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/factsheets/56.html) who are the ones that make up the rules. The AA are the place that do the frontline work where you can fill in the forms, book the tests, and stare into the eye test machine.
nah, you can only do the test once you're here... you can get around on your Australian license for up to 12 months, although the sooner you change over the better...

[Ixion]

No such thing in NZ as 'RTA'. Driver licencing is done by the AA (under rules set by the gubbermint). AA are the people you need. (There are some others that do it too, but AA is the easiest).

They WILL catch you if you try to convert a disqualified licence. So you need to convert BEFORE the court hearing.

[fredie]

yes i will convert to a nz full licence ,before im disqualified here in sydney . if i dont i will have too go on a nz L plate 250cc licence :crybaby:

[fredie]

No such thing in NZ as 'RTA'. Driver licencing is done by the AA (under rules set by the gubbermint). AA are the people you need. (There are some others that do it too, but AA is the easiest).

They WILL catch you if you try to convert a disqualified licence. So you need to convert BEFORE the court hearing.
other posts say nz AA do not check .with aussie RTA about my licence status . all i need is a current licence plastic card type .what do u think of this :mellow:

[sprag]

other posts say nz AA do not check .with aussie RTA about my licence status . all i need is a current licence plastic card type .what do u think of this :mellow:

:stupid:

*Shakes head*

Do the crime, do the time.

You did something dumb not once (wheelie) but 3 times (driving twice when you had no licence).

I hope they do check.

My 2 cents worth.

[delusionz]

If you can't come here and do it before they disqualify you then all you can do is come here and apply for your learners.

And what the hell is your deal anyways skipping countries to avoid the penalties of your misdemeanors, deal with it mate.

If I popped wheelies and drove while disqualified twice I wouldn't deserve to hold a license for a long long time, I hardly think it's fair that you should be able to.

And this is coming from a fellow Aussie so don't think I'm picking on you.

[fredie]

cause the laws allow me too come too nz and get a licence and ride thats why :niceone:. i know of other people that use too go interstate licence transfer but the rta stoped that loophole . criminals in jail get parolle for good behavior . but disqualified drivers get nothing for good behavior:rolleyes:how does that work . i have seen people get disqualified till 2021 :crybaby:and i have heard other people too be disqualified for life:pinch:how does that work :jerry:

[dmouse]

your licence is a privalidge and something that you have to continualy work at to keep, if you lose it by being an idiot for whatever reason its your loss and only makes the roads safer for the rest of us responsable riders/drivers.

[davereid]

Ixion is onto it. If you apply for a transfer to your NZ licence, while you still legally hold your aussie licence you should be fine. While you MAY subsequently lose your aussie licence, you commit no offence or fraud here unless you make a false statement, which you don't need to do. So get your NZ licence while you aussie one is live. Fight the aussie charges- you might win, the cop might leave the force or be busy that day. But either way, unless you are asked to inform the NZ authorities if you lose your aussie licence, then you don't have to.

Long live borders.

[fredie]

your licence is a privalidge and something that you have to continualy work at to keep, if you lose it by being an idiot for whatever reason its your loss and only makes the roads safer for the rest of us responsable riders/drivers.
ok .and u have never broken a single law while riding ??? u have never done a small 3 second wheelie ???:innocent::nono::shutup:
when i come over i will show u :shit::soon::Punk::headbang::done:

[Skyryder]

cause the laws allow me too come too nz and get a licence and ride thats why :niceone:. i know of other people that use too go interstate licence transfer but the rta stoped that loophole . criminals in jail get parolle for good behavior . but disqualified drivers get nothing for good behavior:rolleyes:how does that work . i have seen people get disqualified till 2021 :crybaby:and i have heard other people too be disqualified for life:pinch:how does that work :jerry:

No comparison.

When you come over you are a guest in our country. If it's legal for you ride then no problem..............if not then don't ride. From what you have told us about yourself and I'm not talking about the wheelies, you seem intent on taking no notice of the law. And you are still trying to circumvent it.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

ok .and u have never broken a single law while riding ??? u have never done a small 3 second wheelie ???:innocent::nono::shutup:
when i come over i will show u :shit::soon::Punk::headbang::done:

No one is the perfect driver/rider. We all make errors of judgment from time to time. But you got caught driving while suspended from doing so. Big difference from a prank.

Skyryder