Wanna see a jet disappear?

[bugjuice]

thought this was pretty impressive. Saw it yonks ago on TV, this clip doesn't show the wall after the jet hit it at 800km/h, but the wall has a few scratches on it.. nothing a bit of filler and a paint can couldn't fix..


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[FlangMasterJ]

Was the pilot okay?

[skidMark]

man i'd hate to be that crash test dummy.

EDIT: beat me to it flang ya knob.

[Maha]

So where was that building material when the Twin Towers were built?...The yanks just dont have the foresight....

[FlangMasterJ]

man i'd hate to be that crash test dummy.

EDIT: beat me to it flang ya knob.

LOL!:bleh:

[klingon]

Interesting. The wall seemed to hold up ok until the wings came through - they just sliced through it like butter.

I wish I had a job where I could play with stuff like that all day. One of my cousins worked in Aussie as a demolition guy blowing up buildings. Time I had a career change I think.

[Grahameeboy]

So where was that building material when the Twin Towers were built?...The yanks just dont have the foresight....

They had to have windows you know....................

[skidMark]

Interesting. The wall seemed to hold up ok until the wings came through - they just sliced through it like butter.

I wish I had a job where I could play with stuff like that all day. One of my cousins worked in Aussie as a demolition guy blowing up buildings. Time I had a career change I think.



nonono the wings ddnt even make it the only bit of wing that survived was the bits that were wider that the slab of concrete.....the concrete was fine.....

rewatch it cus i can see the tip of wing keep going from side on..and the concrete is still completely intact...

[klingon]

nonono the wings ddnt even make it the only bit of wing that survived was the bits that were wider that the slab of concrete.....the concrete was fine.....

rewatch it cus i can see the tip of wing keep going from side on..and the concrete is still completely intact...

oooh yeah you're right

Impressive

[Bullitt]

Wonder if the black box survived

Unstoppable force vs Immovable object etc:lol:

[Grahameeboy]

Wonder if the black box survived

Unstoppable force vs Immovable object etc:lol:

Yerp even the sandwiches survived.............

[sAsLEX]

They had to have windows you know....................

Why?

I know a few buildings without windows.

[Grahameeboy]

Why?

I know a few buildings without windows.

Prisons?................

[Toaster]

Prisons?................

No, prisons have lots of windows nowdays, and tv's pool tables, gyms, recreation rooms, heated floors... the list goes on. Every creature comfort the creatures could want.

That video of the simulated plane crash test is one that has been around for years. The old F4 Phantom was used in the Vietnam war and was originally flown off carriers.

Well, if you are going to crash, I guess you wouldn't feel anything at that speed! I wonder what the actual point of the test was.

[bugjuice]

to see if the concrete wall could withstand an attack..??
yeah, ok, so it's a jet going into it, but that'd prove a few points I'd guess!! aside from that, it's coooooool

[Xile]

Waaa crazy!!!:eek:
Cant believe it, really disappear! :shit:

...make me think that I would prefer the wall to crash instead of me on the bike (imagining i could ride the bike at the same speed as a jet...but can still dream lol)

[bert_is_evil]

Insteresting vid. I'm struggling to imagine what the point of that test would be. Apart from making a cool vid for youtube.

[bugjuice]

wasn't made for youtube
was made to test/demonstrate the strength of the wall and look at potential uses, like for nuclear uses

[jrandom]

Never underestimate the number of cool things that bored engineers can manage to do on a Government budget.

;)

[Swoop]

Wonder if the black box survived
Military aircraft, especially fighters, do not have one of those.

[pete376403]

Maybe that gives a bit of creedence to the Sept 11 attack on the Pentagon (all the questions about where are the bits of plane, etc)

[Luckylegs]

One too many run ins with the Moderators huh ?... It just up and dissapeared. :oi-grr:

[steveb64]

They had to have windows you know....................

Should have had Linux... :doh:

[steveb64]

Maybe that gives a bit of creedence to the Sept 11 attack on the Pentagon (all the questions about where are the bits of plane, etc)

Nah. Hole was too small. Unless it WAS a fighter, and NOT a 767... Besides, there's been other occasions where large jets have impacted structures or the ground) at full speed (even in a vertical dive) - and only the twin towers and pentagon where they didn't 'recover' the black boxes and other wreckage...

[Mikkel]

Nah. Hole was too small. Unless it WAS a fighter, and NOT a 767... Besides, there's been other occasions where large jets have impacted structures or the ground) at full speed (even in a vertical dive) - and only the twin towers and pentagon where they didn't 'recover' the black boxes and other wreckage...

Hmmm, I'd like you to find some credible sources for those claims. AFAIK it is not exactly unheard of that the black box is not recovered.

[steveb64]

Hmmm, I'd like you to find some credible sources for those claims. AFAIK it is not exactly unheard of that the black box is not recovered.

ARRGHH! Yeah - Ok, maybe you're right there - possibly, sometimes they aren't recovered - but I haven't been able to find ANY examples of this - other than the 9/11 flights - or an possibly an occasional deep water crash... But there's evidence (You'll have to watch "Loose Change 2" to see it) where statements were made (by the likes of Rumsfeld) that "the flight data recorders have been recovered." from the 9/11 flights - but the data was never revealed, and later statements were made saying "No recovery...".

Also - current specs for FDR's :

Fire Protection and Impact

Through the years, Fairchild recorders have survived the most horrible accidents. To ensure their survivability, a series of tests needs to be accomplished, and the test must be done in sequence.

Crash Impact Test -- It has been agreed that 3400gs for 6.5 ms would be required to meet most accident scenarios. This test is actually performed with a cannon. A Fairchild CVR has survived a crash that was estimated to be more than 6000 gs.

Static Crush -- In this test, 5,000-pound pressure is applied against all six axis points.

Pierce Test -- A pierce test employs a 500-lb. weight dropped from 10 feet. It has been modified to be performed with a hardened steel pin.

Fire Test -- The devices are subjected to 1100 degrees Centigrade for 60 minutes, then undergo 10 hours at 260 degrees Centigrade. Because of its outstanding fire survival record, the Fairchild Model A100CVR was used as the model to insure mandated standards could be obtained. The very latest FAA standards require the fire test to be expanded to 1 hour at 1100 degrees Centigrade. which all solid state models of L-3 Recorders meet or exceed.

...and there has been a case where the aircraft has gone down in a near vertical dive, and data recorders have been recovered... (Egypt Air flight 990). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Deliberate_airliner_crashes

Then there's this, re TWA800 : There are numerous indications that the "black boxes", or flight recorders, may have been recovered from the wreckage of TWA 800 earlier than has been reported.

This aspect of the investigation is preliminary, but already some strong indicators are beginning to surface.

The official story is that the locating pingers on the black boxes BOTH failed, which made it difficult to locate them until several days after the actual crash. Local boaters had reported hearing the pingers the first night.

The crucial data was discovered in the Sound Spectrum Group's report included in the recent NTSB report. It stated that when the CVR pinger was returned to the manufacturer, it was found to be in perfect working order.

Link to article: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/PING/ping.html

Aaannnd - Can you find any examples where the FDR's wern't recovered from a crash? 'Cos I couldn't...

[Mikkel]

I'm not big on conspiracy theories... so I'd say I'd have better things to spend my time on - like surfing for porn.

I'm not at all surprised that th ones from the WTC crashes were not recovered... simply too much destruction in the collapses.
As for the pentagon - it's a fairly solid building... Dunno what the chances are for the black boxes to survive that.

Then again - I don't know what it is that you think would be on those black boxes that the gub'mint is trying to hide... If it's because the "terrorists" were CIA agents undercover then I reckon they could have gotten rid of the boxes before the planes took off in the first place - and then they wouldn't have had to worry about the pingers.

But by all means indulge yourself in the dark secrets of the conspiracy. Should you ever run out of inspiration I'd like to recommend a read called "The Illuminatus Trilogy" by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson. Just as factual IMO and a whole deal funnier than most other timewasters out there...

[steveb64]

I'm not big on conspiracy theories... so I'd say I'd have better things to spend my time on - like surfing for porn.



Neither am I... But Fahrenheit 911 (the Mike Moore film), and Loose Change 2 kind of made me (and the missus) re-evaluate the whole 9/11 thing. Too many things that don't add up the way the official story tries to.

Like - how does a building collapse vertically, when it's been damaged in one corner?
Like - how can burning kerosene get hot enough to melt heavy structural steel girders? In less than an hour?
Like - Why were the bomb dogs and security removed from the Twin Towers 2 weeks before the incident?
Like - How come the firecrews in the buildings were reporting secondary explosions throughout both towers, after the planes hit - but just before the collapse?
Like - What happened to the (estimated) $180 billion worth of gold stored in various parts of the building?

Link to loose change: http://loosechange911.com/index_main.html

Used to be, I couldn't watch the video of the planes hitting the building - made me feel sick (so I'd either leave the room, or turn away, or at least shut my eyes). Particularly as I've been in NY (not in the Towers) - watched the movie 'Independance day' in the theatre below the Towers - on the 5th of July (queues were tooo long to stand around in to watch on 4th of July).

Not so after watching the Loosechange 2 film. Now I watch the footage to see how many horizontal plumes I can see firing out just below the collapse front.

Something is NOT right about the whole damn thing...

[Mikkel]

Like - how does a building collapse vertically, when it's been damaged in one corner?
Like - how can burning kerosene get hot enough to melt heavy structural steel girders? In less than an hour?

Like - How come the firecrews in the buildings were reporting secondary explosions throughout both towers, after the planes hit - but just before the collapse?


With a bit of knowledge in mechanics, materials science, statics and thermo dynamics this can all be accounted for.

You don't have to *melt* a girder to make it collapse - steel will loose half it's strength at (IIRC - a long time since I did my fire fighters training) 500°C. Also skyscrapers are built light in order to make them tall - i.e. they're not heavy structural steel girders...
Jet fuel - contrary to popular opinion, another place where democrazy doesn't work - is a slower burning more energetic liquid compared to petrol. Also the fact that the plane was yawing as it hit the building meant that the fuel would have been deposited onto several floors causing a multi-level inferno which would have ignited any combustible material on these floors. This would mean that the girders on several floors will have become weakened by the heat. Hearing secondary explosions can be all sorts of things really - falling elevators, partial collapse of the floors in the middle of the building, bottles of compressed gasses (dunno if they would allow them up there - but it's america so they just might have), etc.

I can't speak on any of the other mystery things around the whole affair. But if the gub'mint was willing to waste a national monument and kill of a couple of thousand tax-payers to raise sympathy for a war in Afghanistan - then I doubt they would have changed the security setup before the impact since this could draw unwanted attention. Besides what difference would a security staff have made in regards to this event?

As for $180B in gold stored in WTC I wouldn't believe that unless someone can provide PROOF that this gold was stored there. Besides $180B worth of gold is a rather substantial amount - it wouldn't have been possible to sneak it out of the place. Of course they might just have pulled a Die Hard 3 - I hope they didn't get Jeremy Irons to take care of it though - he fucked up the last time. Additionally - the gold market is closely monitored, $180B worth dissappearing and then getting fed back into the market without drawing undue attention would take like... oh lemme make a random guess 180-180,000 years.

[steveb64]

With a bit of knowledge in mechanics, materials science, statics and thermo dynamics this can all be accounted for.

You don't have to *melt* a girder to make it collapse - steel will loose half it's strength at (IIRC - a long time since I did my fire fighters training) 500°C. Also skyscrapers are built light in order to make them tall - i.e. they're not heavy structural steel girders...
Jet fuel - contrary to popular opinion, another place where democrazy doesn't work - is a slower burning more energetic liquid compared to petrol. Also the fact that the plane was yawing as it hit the building meant that the fuel would have been deposited onto several floors causing a multi-level inferno which would have ignited any combustible material on these floors. This would mean that the girders on several floors will have become weakened by the heat. Hearing secondary explosions can be all sorts of things really - falling elevators, partial collapse of the floors in the middle of the building, bottles of compressed gasses (dunno if they would allow them up there - but it's america so they just might have), etc.

I can't speak on any of the other mystery things around the whole affair. But if the gub'mint was willing to waste a national monument and kill of a couple of thousand tax-payers to raise sympathy for a war in Afghanistan - then I doubt they would have changed the security setup before the impact since this could draw unwanted attention. Besides what difference would a security staff have made in regards to this event?

As for $180B in gold stored in WTC I wouldn't believe that unless someone can provide PROOF that this gold was stored there. Besides $180B worth of gold is a rather substantial amount - it wouldn't have been possible to sneak it out of the place. Of course they might just have pulled a Die Hard 3 - I hope they didn't get Jeremy Irons to take care of it though - he fucked up the last time. Additionally - the gold market is closely monitored, $180B worth dissappearing and then getting fed back into the market without drawing undue attention would take like... oh lemme make a random guess 180-180,000 years.

Re the girders - they have to have a certain amount of mass - otherwise the building can't hold itself up... and they were rated to withstand a (can't remember exact figure) quite high heat level for several hours before structural failure.

Re "partial collapse of floors" why would these be collapsing many stories below the actual fire?

Dunno about gas bottles - I recall something being mentioned about them (LPG - IIRC), but can't remember if they were there or not...

Re the government - Rumsfeld is quoted as saying "that to justify a large military spendup, another 'Pearl Harbour' or equivalent, such as destruction of the WTC would be needed." And we all know how many lies they told about Iraq. Or are you still convinced that Saddam has WOMD stashed away somewhere?

As for the gold - the ONLY gold recovered was ~$350M - found in an abandoned armoured truck, surrounded by a convoy of security vehicles - UNDER the WTC (in underground roadways). The $180Bn is an estimate, based on figures released by various banks who had headquarters in the WTC. As for the gold being released on the market - do you follow the Gold market? I don't - but a mate of mine does - and he was talking about how the gold market was being pushed around by large amounts of gold being sold - but with no visible source. And the only entity that had the ability to do that, was the US govt. - due to some non-disclosure arrangement with the markets...

Then there was the hard drives recovered from various mainframes - forensics recovered a lot of data from them, that showed some massive insider trading deals taking place on the day of 9/11. And the 3rd building that 'collapsed' - it held most of the (SFO equivalent) records of some major fraud investigations...

And the approx $1.5 Bn that the Bush family has received from the Bin Ladens over past years - and that the ONLY commercial planes flying AFTER 9/11 had Bin Laden family members on them... ...and Bin Laden himself was in a US (off shore) hospital getting treatment!

And that the WTC was insured for $5bn - just (months - 2 or 3) before 9/11 - with a proviso that it was specifically covered against terrorist actions.

And that someone with VERY deep pockets has been holding up the US share markets - spotted how every time they start to slide down rapidly, they suddenly leap back up again a day or two later?

And how much money do you think US defence industries are worth? Or make?

And how much money has just 'disappeared' in Iraq - and how much has Dick Cheneys company (Halliburtons) made? (Last report I saw was approx $750M+ in profits for the last quarter...).

As I said - watch Fahrenheit 911 (prolly avail at local video store), then Loose Change 2 (maybe at video store - else off net for free). They back up all the statements with the actual quotes and sources... ...and I'm getting RSI. :doctor:

Enough typing... :buggerd:

[Mikkel]

I concur... it must be a setup. Now - how to assassinate the president....

[mstriumph]

.................

I wish I had a job where I could play with stuff like that all day. One of my cousins worked in Aussie as a demolition guy blowing up buildings. Time I had a career change I think.

or a yank bush-fireman ................. detcord mmmmmmmmmmmmm :devil2:

[steveb64]

I concur... it must be a setup. Now - how to assassinate the president....

EEEK! SHHHHHH! DON'T say THAT! The men in black suits :cool: will be knocking on your door next... :2guns:

...if they knock at all... :lol:

[klingon]

EEEK! SHHHHHH! DON'T say THAT! The men in black suits :cool: will be knocking on your door next... :2guns:

...if they knock at all... :lol:

I'm surprised my door hasn't been kicked down yet. I have all the makings for Molotov cocktails, stab-proof jackets and trousers, even some camo clothing, and I hang out with NZ's biggest biker gang! Really, we should all turn ourselves in.

[EJK]

So I guess Bin Laden won't target nuclear power plants.... lol

[Mikkel]

EEEK! SHHHHHH! DON'T say THAT! The men in black suits :cool: will be knocking on your door next... :2guns:

...if they knock at all... :lol:

When I get my riding gear I'll be a man in black btw... I'll be watching you!

[bugjuice]

wow, this took a turn I didn't expect..

[steveb64]

When I get my riding gear I'll be a man in black btw... I'll be watching you!

Yeah - but who's gonna be watching you watching me?? :scratch::stoogie:

[steveb64]

Found this interesting little article. Music's not too bad either...

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm

[young1]

They should do more testing of that wall, I know a country that has some Skyhawks that could be used......

[Coyote]

Yerp even the sandwiches survived.............
I thought black boxes recorded the dialogue of the pilot/s, not held onto their lunch?

[deanohit]

I'm surprised my door hasn't been kicked down yet. I have all the makings for Molotov cocktails, stab-proof jackets and trousers, even some camo clothing, and I hang out with NZ's biggest biker gang! Really, we should all turn ourselves in.

As do most of us I think.
I know I used to play around with different (small) bombs, semi auto .22s shooting all sorts of things, wear camo gear and shoot each other with paintball guns.:ar15:, but we didn't have the 'Men in Black' dropping out of choppers to round us up. :whistle: