Project Z going well

[classic zed]

my spare Kawasaki Z1300 has been laying around far too long so I have figured I should just get on with the project.

I decided that the frame needed to be modified to cater for the single shock from a Hayabusa mounted on the rear, and the ZX12 upside down front forks.

so I welded it to the motorcycle bench and cut it up :niceone:

I made some steel slugs to add the new front frame tubes, welded them in and bent up new pipes to meet the head

[classic zed]

the rear shock mount was fabricated after adding a second strenghtening tube directly behind the lower swing arm brace.

the swing arm has also been modified using 3mm plate as the turbo injected engine should produce plenty more horse power than the old one :eek:

[classic zed]

I fugured the best place for the turbo is to run the stock exhaust under the engine and up behind it, mount the turbo on top and the plumbing is easy :yes:


so far so good:rockon:


I will add more pictures as I get on with the project

[Edbear]

And you'll sleep, when...:sleep:?

[classic zed]

And you'll sleep, when...:sleep:?

Hi Ed

I figure I will get some sleep someday, meanwhile I will just keep on at it :brick: :niceone:

[riffer]

Boy oh boy, am I glad I found this thread!

Excellent stuff here Classic Zed. That's gonna be one hell of a bike when you're finished... a Z1300 turbo - just wicked. :drool:

Thanks for making my day.

[Edbear]

LOL!!! Do you think you'll have it ready for the bike show next weekend? Gonna ride it there?

[classic zed]

Boy oh boy, am I glad I found this thread!

Excellent stuff here Classic Zed. That's gonna be one hell of a bike when you're finished... a Z1300 turbo - just wicked. :drool:

Thanks for making my day.

cheers riffer it should be fun to ride thats for sure :clap:

Ed, there is a section for part builts so Im hoping to enter it into that:msn-wink:

[Edbear]

Cool! It will be a popular exhibit along side your road bike!:first:

We are planning to call in to the show on our way through to Pauanui. If I can get a chance I'll call in to the w/shop next week and make you a coffee...:soon:

[FJRider]

I once knew a British Army guy, stationed in Germany, had a stock Z1300. He reckoned it wasn't fast enough for the Autobahn's. So he turboed it. He made a few Porshe 911 turbo pilots hang up their driving gloves
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[classic zed]

I once knew a British Army guy, stationed in Germany, had a stock Z1300. He reckoned it wasn't fast enough for the Autobahn's. So he turboed it. He made a few Porshe 911 turbo pilots hang up their driving gloves
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hopefully it wil handle a lot better with all the suspension mods too. :lol:

[FJRider]

How often do you expect to be replacing the back tyre. Yes it does help to be able to go around corners in comfort an safety.I await progress reports with interest.
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[sAsLEX]

How often do you expect to be replacing the back tyre. Yes it does help to be able to go around corners in comfort an safety.I await progress reports with interest.
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Saw a beautiful Streetfighter-esque Harris bike based on a 1200 straight four today at the pub, nice braided lines and little touches everywhere, like the rear brake reservoir was a nicely turned up piece of Ali.

Got chatting to the guy about it and he went on to say it was pants in the curves, kind of kills the point of having a nice powerful bike!

[classic zed]

How often do you expect to be replacing the back tyre. Yes it does help to be able to go around corners in comfort an safety.I await progress reports with interest.
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Quite often I'd say, my standard Z1300 has chewed through a pair of tyres in 7,000km, mind you I dont "nana" the poor old girl, I like to wear out the edges of the tyre as fast as the centre. Not much point having a bike if you cant run it hard through bends:2thumbsup.

Having said that Im hoping to shed quite a bit of weight from the bike.

The ZX12 rear wheel is away being adapted to take the shaft drive so I can try a 190 or 200 rear tyre on it to see which one works best.

I plan on using a Nissan Skyline Injection system as its already designed for an inline 6 cylinder Turbo engine, everything is timed from the camshaft so I can drive that unit from the original place on the engine that the stock Z1300 pickups are mounted.

[jonbuoy]

What a beast that will be!

[Pancakes]

Nice work Zed! will the Nissan computer have the tuneablity you need or are you going to piggyback an Apex'i handheld or similar? I've always wondered why people don't use some of the car aftermarket computers available, motech etc for worked bikes. Seems the way to go with how flexible the plot points and everything are. Will be watching to see when it's done and all the steps along the way!

[classic zed]

Nice work Zed! will the Nissan computer have the tuneablity you need or are you going to piggyback an Apex'i handheld or similar? I've always wondered why people don't use some of the car aftermarket computers available, motech etc for worked bikes. Seems the way to go with how flexible the plot points and everything are. Will be watching to see when it's done and all the steps along the way!

I will try it with a piggy back first and if thats not good maybe a standalone like the microtech, I will chat to the guy that modified the turbo to suit the engine and see what we can come up wiith. I was thinking about incorporating a tilt sensor to limit the boost when your leant right over

[FJRider]

Bike weight matters, but horsepower matters MORE. I have known DUCATI owners reporting 1600 km's per set...evenly worn. 7 or 8000 km's aint bad compared to that.

[Pancakes]

I will try it with a piggy back first and if thats not good maybe a standalone like the microtech, I will chat to the guy that modified the turbo

Variable vane or standard?


................tilt sensor to limit the boost when your leant right over

Wouldn't the bike frame be constant in regard to the angle of greatest force (it's late but I hope you follow) ie, in a corner where the cornering force is 1G (and downward is of course 1G) it is leant over 45 degree's with the force still going down in relation to the frame (but at say 1.25G's)? You'd need to house it in a gyro or something? You obviously know more about this than me but I'm curious to see what your thinking when doing a build like this.

[sAsLEX]

I will try it with a piggy back first and if thats not good maybe a standalone like the microtech, I will chat to the guy that modified the turbo to suit the engine and see what we can come up wiith. I was thinking about incorporating a tilt sensor to limit the boost when your leant right over

Couple of guys made one at uni that outperformed a motec, they were looking to market it so will have a hunt around and see if they managed it.

[psyguy]

hi classic zed, good to hear you're getting on with your project!
i felt a bit sorry for that pile of bits sitting in the corner of your workshop, collecting dust, when i last saw it.
your "poor old girl" surely desires a company of a turbo charged "big brother" parked next to it :yes:
:rockon:

[classic zed]

Variable vane or standard?



Wouldn't the bike frame be constant in regard to the angle of greatest force (it's late but I hope you follow) ie, in a corner where the cornering force is 1G (and downward is of course 1G) it is leant over 45 degree's with the force still going down in relation to the frame (but at say 1.25G's)? You'd need to house it in a gyro or something? You obviously know more about this than me but I'm curious to see what your thinking when doing a build like this.

I was thinking along the lines of something that can sense and increase on the downward "G" force as that would be the right sort of direction to measure. As you corner the force pushing the bike onto the road should increase hopefully giving you something to measure, its all theory at the moment but worth looking at.



Couple of guys made one at uni that outperformed a motec, they were looking to market it so will have a hunt around and see if they managed it.

The guy that built the turbo is developing a system that is giving good results so I will chat to him, but any other options would be good to see too.


hi classic zed, good to hear you're getting on with your project!
i felt a bit sorry for that pile of bits sitting in the corner of your workshop, collecting dust, when i last saw it.
your "poor old girl" surely desires a company of a turbo charged "big brother" parked next to it :yes:
:rockon:

My thoughts exactly and I feel the need for a second bike too, it gives me options then,
1, go for a nice cruise
2, go out and rip the streets up

:2thumbsup

[Pancakes]

I was thinking along the lines of something that can sense and increase on the downward "G" force as that would be the right sort of direction to measure. As you corner the force pushing the bike onto the road should increase hopefully giving you something to measure, its all theory at the moment but worth looking at........................

Thats what popped into my head first but I can see you getting G's at the bottom of a hill and then as the load (and traction) comes off the rear wheel boost comes back! I have put a micro-switch on a rally car (well, ex rally car I thrashed around) that locked out high boost in 1st and 2nd so it would hook up on the street. Just a thought.

[classic zed]

Right, its not too pretty but I managed to get it into a sort of rolling chassis and get it to the City of Cycles show along with the road bike:clap:

[steveb64]

Quite often I'd say, my standard Z1300 has chewed through a pair of tyres in 7,000km, mind you I dont "nana" the poor old girl, I like to wear out the edges of the tyre as fast as the centre. Not much point having a bike if you cant run it hard through bends:2thumbsup.

Having said that Im hoping to shed quite a bit of weight from the bike.

The ZX12 rear wheel is away being adapted to take the shaft drive so I can try a 190 or 200 rear tyre on it to see which one works best.

I plan on using a Nissan Skyline Injection system as its already designed for an inline 6 cylinder Turbo engine, everything is timed from the camshaft so I can drive that unit from the original place on the engine that the stock Z1300 pickups are mounted.

Check out these guys... http://www.swingarm.com/ ...they do swingarms for all sorts of things, in all sorts of sizes - including a swingarm for a 'busa that'll take a 280 tyre! I've been eyeing them up for a new swingarm for the Duc - mine's got a bloody crack in it - and while I could get it fixed - there's apparently several other places that they crack also, so proper fix is replacement. :(

BTW - I like your project! Sweet! I've been thinking of something along those lines, but with a newer bike (ZZR1400). Get a turbo kit from US, and bolt it on... :woohoo: Even got permission from the missus (as long as she gets to have a ride too...). Now we just have to sell my mothers property (6 hectares near Hokianga), and I'll have the cash as well... :soon: ... I hope.

[Pancakes]

.......................Now we just have to sell my mothers..................

Yeah, I would too for a sweet bike but you think she might catch on if you post it on the 'net?

[steveb64]

Yeah, I would too for a sweet bike but you think she might catch on if you post it on the 'net?

SNORT! :niceone: Nah - she passed away over a year ago. Tho she might be rolling over in the grave, given I spent some of her money on a bike (PW80) for my 7 year old... And will be spending some more on one for the younger lad, when he's got the art of riding on 2 wheels sussed (just starting to transition from trainers to 2 wheels on pushbike...). She was always anti-bikes - not that it stopped me - gave her a choice between me getting a bike (YZ125A - '74... a long time ago) or a hang glider! Guess what won! :first:

Strange thing was - her parents generation were ALL into bikes... Go figure...

[classic zed]

I checked the steering head angle again now that its on the floor and found it to be 31 degrees:doh:

The standard setting for a Z1300 is 26 and a ZX10 is 24 so Iv modified it to 26, hopefully it will handle nicely, quicker in the bends and stable on the straights. The new frame tubes are incredibly strong, after cutting the lower tubes even a ratchet strap couldnt pull the wheel back so I had to cut the top ones too.

It looks so much more aggresive now, Iv cut the guts out of a standard tank to make it fit and once I have the look right I just have to make it hold petrol again.:msn-wink:

[Conquiztador]

Nice work there!

I did read how you had changed the angle of the forks. You did not mention anything re trail considerations. I am sure I am telling grandma how to suck eggs here, but just in case, have a look at this as there might be something useful.

http://www.dinamoto.it/DINAMOTO/on-line%20papers/Avancorsa/trail.htm

Looking forward to following the progress.

[geoffm]

Nice work there!

I did read how you had changed the angle of the forks. You did not mention anything re trail considerations. I am sure I am telling grandma how to suck eggs here, but just in case, have a look at this as there might be something useful.

http://www.dinamoto.it/DINAMOTO/on-line%20papers/Avancorsa/trail.htm

Looking forward to following the progress.

If you haven't alreadydone so, have a look at Tony Foale's site and some of the software therein
http://www.tonyfoale.com/Main.htm
His books are well worth the money too.
Geoff

[Edbear]

My thoughts exactly and I feel the need for a second bike too, it gives me options then,
1, go for a nice cruise
2, go out and rip the streets up

:2thumbsup


And the difference with you is....?:bleh: I thought your idea of a "nice cruise" usually involved "ripping the streets up"...:laugh:

[psyguy]

... hopefully it will handle nicely, quicker in the bends and stable on the straights...

and if it doesn't handle the bends that well, you can always go to the drag strip and have fun on the straight :msn-wink:

[classic zed]

Nice work there!

I did read how you had changed the angle of the forks. You did not mention anything re trail considerations. I am sure I am telling grandma how to suck eggs here, but just in case, have a look at this as there might be something useful.

http://www.dinamoto.it/DINAMOTO/on-line%20papers/Avancorsa/trail.htm

Looking forward to following the progress.

The ZX12R forks I have used have zero offset yokes (trees) and the front wheel spindle is also in line with the fork legs.

According to the spec sheets the ZX12R runs 25 degrees steering head angle and 93mm trail, I have set the angle to 26 therefore increasing the trail slightly.

I figured I would try it as it is because the trail is not adjustable as such, if its not right I will have to have special offset yokes made

[Conquiztador]

The ZX12R forks I have used have zero offset yokes (trees) and the front wheel spindle is also in line with the fork legs.

According to the spec sheets the ZX12R runs 25 degrees steering head angle and 93mm trail, I have set the angle to 26 therefore increasing the trail slightly.

I figured I would try it as it is because the trail is not adjustable as such, if its not right I will have to have special offset yokes made

A fraction more sluggish at slow speed and a fraction more stable at high speed. But you will probably hardly notice it. And by adjusting spring tension, the position of forks in trees and even changing tyre there will be a slight change. Add to this the rear hight.

[Edbear]

Add to this the rear hight.



Tim's rear is not very high...:lol:

[Wired1]

Good stuff, nice bit of welding too, good to see some engineering threads here. How will you get on with the WOF when it comes to that?

[Edbear]

Good stuff, nice bit of welding too, good to see some engineering threads here. How will you get on with the WOF when it comes to that?


He knows somebody...<_<

[classic zed]

Good stuff, nice bit of welding too, good to see some engineering threads here. How will you get on with the WOF when it comes to that?

I will get it certed as a scratch built, Iv been talking to a certifier, he told me what I have to do to comply so hopefully there will be no problems.

[Pancakes]

Yeah I know some guys that have reg'd scratch built cars and it's not impossible if you follow the rules. Is for sure if you roll up to the testing station with the vehicle and have no reports on it etc by the right people. Looks nice and tidy Zed, good to "know people" too eh!

[pzkpfw]

"Zed" stands for "Zeus", right?

Surely you are a God?

[Edbear]

"Zed" stands for "Zeus", right?

Surely you are a God?



:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme :first:

[classic zed]

"Zed" stands for "Zeus", right?

Surely you are a God?

Actually "God" is a phrase thats often used by the wife. :love:

Usually said as "Oh God, what did you do this time?" or "Oh God, how much did that cost?" :slap:

[n0regret5]

MORE PICS!! that bike is total horn!!!!!

[sAsLEX]

MORE PICS!! that bike is total horn!!!!!

Come up to Auckland and go on a ATNR and you can see his other one flexing and grinding its way around corners :headbang::Punk:

Cant wait till the new one comes out!

[n0regret5]

Come up to Auckland and go on a ATNR and you can see his other one flexing and grinding its way around corners :headbang::Punk:

Cant wait till the new one comes out!

sounds like a freakin excellent idea..whens my next chance?

[sAsLEX]

sounds like a freakin excellent idea..whens my next chance?

They get posted up at the end of this:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=33348&highlight=ATNR

[Edbear]

Hey Tim!:whistle:

[classic zed]

Hey Tim!:whistle:

Hi Ed.

Iv seen the V12 before, built by Alan Millyard in the uk, looks like a beast, as for the other one a German built bike if Im not very much mistaken :niceone:

[classic zed]

Ok so Iv been playing with photoshop and some ZX10 pieces, what do you reckon to the look of this one? :2thumbsup

[Edbear]

Ok so Iv been playing with photoshop and some ZX10 pieces, what do you reckon to the look of this one? :2thumbsup


Does Jason know you're robbing parts off his bike while he "can't" ride it...?:blink:

Looks horn!:2thumbsup

[classic zed]

I havent has much time to work on this but I have started bashing the tank out. I cut the top of a Z1300 tank, used the side of a Honda VFR 1000 tank (reshaped) and a piece of steel so far, Im waiting for a special radiator to be made before I start on the rad cowl and belly plate.

The exhaust has to go higher, I have to use Renthal taper bars and maybe a different top tree.

I also need to buy a Pneumatic planishing hammer to help shape everything smoothly, I hope the wife lets me:girlfight:

Oh yeah I have to buy a Tig welder too cos Mig welding is porous :doh:

[R6_kid]

LOL, awesome job on the exhaust!

What sort of power are you expecting to get out out of it? Just that the swingarm looks like it'll want to be braced if you're going for 150hp+

[gatch]

Mate that thing looks bad as fuck as it is.

Best of luck, keep up with the photos !

[elevenhundred]

Nice work!
It's good to see some proper modification threads on here rather than all the tail tidy posts

I love the sound of the 6's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MWj6TZ6XvE&feature=channel

[Edbear]

Nice work!
It's good to see some proper modification threads on here rather than all the tail tidy posts

I love the sound of the 6's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MWj6TZ6XvE&feature=channel

"Proper modification"? :laugh:

Tim's approach is, "Mmmm, that doesn't look right, where's my hacksaw and mig?" :shifty: Rear subframe, headstock, ('wrong' rake), gas tank, exhaust, shaft-drive, swingarm, rear wheel, (to adapt Z1300 diff to ZX12 wheel!).

"Now carbs aren't as good as FI, I think I'll ditch them and use Nissan Skyline FI..., and since the rolling diameter of the ZX12 wheel lowers the gearing, I'll have to make a new crown-wheel/pinion combo for the Z1300 diff..." :doh:

It's quite amazing what Mr. Tim can do with a hacksaw, laser-sight and mig....

[psyguy]

looking good, tim, looking good :Punk:

now, is that tank going to be big enough for anything longer than a quarter mile, you think? :laugh:

[classic zed]

LOL, awesome job on the exhaust!

What sort of power are you expecting to get out out of it? Just that the swingarm looks like it'll want to be braced if you're going for 150hp+

I have been talking to Franklin Cams they reckon they have the perfect cam profilt to up the HP, Iv also ground all of the crap out of the exhaust ports and opened them up by about 2-3mm. Not much point in stuffing lots of gas into it if it cant get out just as fast.
Im going to brace the swing arm underneath where the shock mounts, Iv also done the swing arm mods in 2.5mm steel plate, should be good and strong:2thumbsup


Mate that thing looks bad as fuck as it is.

Best of luck, keep up with the photos !

As soon as there are more to show they will be here


Nice work!
It's good to see some proper modification threads on here rather than all the tail tidy posts

I love the sound of the 6's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MWj6TZ6XvE&feature=channel

It should sound really good 6 into 1 through the turbo and then a straight through muffler :laugh:


"Proper modification"? :laugh:

Tim's approach is, "Mmmm, that doesn't look right, where's my hacksaw and mig?" :shifty: Rear subframe, headstock, ('wrong' rake), gas tank, exhaust, shaft-drive, swingarm, rear wheel, (to adapt Z1300 diff to ZX12 wheel!).

"Now carbs aren't as good as FI, I think I'll ditch them and use Nissan Skyline FI..., and since the rolling diameter of the ZX12 wheel lowers the gearing, I'll have to make a new crown-wheel/pinion combo for the Z1300 diff..." :doh:

It's quite amazing what Mr. Tim can do with a hacksaw, laser-sight and mig....

Ed you make me sound like a mad professor :msn-wink:


looking good, tim, looking good :Punk:

now, is that tank going to be big enough for anything longer than a quarter mile, you think? :laugh:

The tank is not as big as it looks, I have to stuff all the engine electronics, 6 coils and 2 HID units under it, its just designed to look big and butch :whistle:

[Edbear]

I have been talking to Franklin Cams they reckon they have the perfect cam profilt to up the HP, Iv also ground all of the crap out of the exhaust ports and opened them up by about 2-3mm. Not much point in stuffing lots of gas into it if it cant get out just as fast.
Im going to brace the swing arm underneath where the shoock mounts, Iv also done the swing arm mods in 2.5mm steel plate, should be good and strong:2thumbsup

...
It should sound really good 6 into 1 through the turbo and then a staright through muffler :laugh:



Ed you make me sound like a mad professor :msn-wink:



The tank is not as big as it looks, I have to stuff all the engine electronics, 6 coils and 2 HID units under it, its just designed to look big and butch :whistle:

I rest my case... :laugh:

[classic zed]

I rest my case... :laugh:

yeah ok point taken :o

[HenryDorsetCase]

Great progress. this thread is totally worth subscribing to.

[DEATH_INC.]

Cool project :niceone: