GT250R vs VTR250

[carver]

i had the oppertunity to ride a 06 hyosung GT 250 R in the weekend.
a popular beginners bike, with reasonaly attractive styling.
so what did i think?
im comparing it to the VTR 250 when i say this..
shit

yea, this bike just aint smooth, and there is no power peak anywhere, its just gutless..
compared to my old GT 250 however, the gearbox seemed to be a bit smoother.
The handling offers no feedback, and very little feel.
the riding position was ok...not the best though.
the owner claimed it would smoke a VTR through the twisties..yea right!
the VTR has a sweet surge of power in the top of the rev range, and is faster in a 1/4 mile drag (yeah, we tested them 1 and 2 up)
it is much more reassuring to ride too, and easier to ride hard.
its much smoother and comfortable, it just feels much more refined!

so if it was my dollars-VTR, no question

[MVnut]

VTR wins no contest

[HungusMaximist]

Yep, VTR all the way.......

[marioc]

Yep but wheres the friggin rev counter honda?

[carver]

Yep but wheres the friggin rev counter honda?

on the dash beside the speedo..on the 07+

[breakaway]

I've ridden the 2005, and it was pretty smooth, but felt slow as balls and gutless. Perhaps this was because I was used to the awesome power band of my RG150.

[MattyP]

I've ridden the 2005, and it was pretty smooth, but felt slow as balls and gutless. Perhaps this was because I was used to the awesome power band of my RG150.

Hi Breakaway, was it a 2005 Hyo or VTR that was pretty smooth? My car has just sold, and I was set on a new GT250R, but there seems to be a definite bias of opinion towards the VTR being superior (which I could also live with).

So far, I've narrowed the short-list to:

GT250R
VTR250
Hornet 250

The other 250 race reps are a bit of a squeeze for me.

Cheers,
M

[HenryDorsetCase]

Hi Breakaway, was it a 2005 Hyo or VTR that was pretty smooth? My car has just sold, and I was set on a new GT250R, but there seems to be a definite bias of opinion towards the VTR being superior (which I could also live with).

So far, I've narrowed the short-list to:

GT250R
VTR250
Hornet 250

The other 250 race reps are a bit of a squeeze for me.

Cheers,
M

My pick of those would be the VTR: they look good, no fairing to munch up when you drop it (which, being a learner is likely to happen, forgive me for saying). I have a 900 Hornet which I really like (especially now it has a decent shock and proper fork springs) but do you really need 4 cylinders with attendant maintenance costs: 4 sparkplugs vs 2, more time by the mechanic etc.

Ive never ridden a Hyosung, but my interweb readings suggest some issues (do a trawl thru KB): having said that, its like a restaurant review: people tell more people when they have a bad experience than when they have a good one.

Ride all three, do a deal with the one you like best.

Oh, and get goood gear including a back protector, and wear it every time.

Sorry if I sound like your Dad.

[limbimtimwim]

The Hyosung is pretty dire compared to the VTR. Yes I've ridden both.

[Coyote]

I had a blast on a 1998 VTR250 last Thursday. It was great fun. Smooth, suspension was plush, it was decently quick, comfy seating position. I haven't ridden a Hyosung 250 to compare though (though the 650 I rode was pretty cool).

However it didn't feel any different to hXc's Spada. Only difference I noticed was in appearance (cast frame vs tube frame). I would look into one of them if I was in the market (kinda am, girlfriend is looking for a bike).

[Templar]

I haven't ridden the hyosung but 100% agree that the VTR is a great bike to ride :)

[MattyP]

Thanks to all who responded. I've got my all my gear ready to go (armoured pants, jacket etc). I did this before I started looking at bikes, so my return to biking wouldn't be an "if", it would be a "when" :banana:

The GT250R caught me with it's looks, size, price, and standard features (USD forks & double rotors). What didn't impress was the painted steel frame, oil cooling, and relatively low power output.

I like the look of the VTR, even though I wasn't a huge fan of naked bikes. Could you put clip-ons on a VTR? Give it a more sporty feel?

The guy who bought my car has just faxed through the finance papers, so it looks like I'll be shopping next weekend. Can't wait!

[Pancakes]

Thanks to all who responded. I've got my all my gear ready to go (armoured pants, jacket etc). I did this before I started looking at bikes, so my return to biking wouldn't be an "if", it would be a "when" :banana:

The GT250R caught me with it's looks, size, price, and standard features (USD forks & double rotors). What didn't impress was the painted steel frame, oil cooling, and relatively low power output.

I like the look of the VTR, even though I wasn't a huge fan of naked bikes. Could you put clip-ons on a VTR? Give it a more sporty feel?

The guy who bought my car has just faxed through the finance papers, so it looks like I'll be shopping next weekend. Can't wait!

IF you do look at the Hyosungs they are low power but have a good spread right off idle to make up for it. They aren't light but do handle ok, I like the naked one way better cos the sitting position suits the motor more, I think a sport position suits a motor with a more revvy nature. It's always gonna be a compromise $$'s for what your getting. Older bikes that cost the same as a Hyo' can be wicked or a real lemon. Personal preferance really. I like the look of the VTR's better with the latticework frame and they are a bit lighter too but I have no problems flicking mine around. If you get a naked one I have found that some aftermarket bars to move your weight forward a bit lightens the bike up heaps. I'm not gentle on my motor and haven't had any problems. It sits right at the top of 4th lots and gets a good hiding to keep up with the bigger bikes on rides. I use average oil. The cheaper oil, Yamalube brand and do a change every 2500k's, filter every 5000k's cos I get two and a bit fills for each bottle of oil. Get it checked every 10,000k's. Valve clearances etc and it's always been sweet. Really predictable ride. I have ridden lots of other bikes. GN's, PX200's, CBR250rr, NC(RC?)30's, RGVr250, Hornet 900's, 900 Fireblade (the old ones), VTR 250 and thou and if you pay more you can get better bikes but when it came to spend my own money (now I've got a family and toys aren't the priority) a naked Hyo won. Don't think they won't be fun cos mine is plenty of giggles! Hope you enjoy whatever you decide on.

[breakaway]

MattyP - I was talking about the hyosung. Like Pancakes stated - the hyosung pulls right from idle, where I had to wind up my RG150 to at least 80% of redline to get it to really move.

I'd still pick the VTR though.

[carver]

MattyP - I was talking about the hyosung. Like Pancakes stated - the hyosung pulls right from idle, where I had to wind up my RG150 to at least 80% of redline to get it to really move.

I'd still pick the VTR though.

ok n00bs, its official

in a drag thats about 700-1 k long, the VTR wins...it takes off faster than the GTR.
it feels more powerful and handles better.
why would you get a hyosung?

[rphenix]

Where as I would buy the naked GT250, u can get them for 5,600 brand new including on road ohh yeah :) compare that to a possibly dropped/thrashed VTR?

[carver]

Where as I would buy the naked GT250, u can get them for 5,600 brand new including on road ohh yeah :) compare that to a possibly dropped/thrashed VTR?

its shit, i owned one...
a clean VTR all the way...instead of the hyosung lottery

[Gubb]

why would you get a hyosung?

Because I felt like a giant on the VTR. Being 6'4" kinda limited my choices, and the Hyosung won over the VTR.

Speed isn't everything, besides, if it's speed you want, wait until you get your full, the Hyosung is forgiving, and the only 250 that I felt remotely comfortable (and safe) on (and I test rode about 16 bikes while I was looking).

[carver]

Because I felt like a giant on the VTR. Being 6'4" kinda limited my choices, and the Hyosung won over the VTR.

Speed isn't everything, besides, if it's speed you want, wait until you get your full, the Hyosung is forgiving, and the only 250 that I felt remotely comfortable (and safe) on (and I test rode about 16 bikes while I was looking).

yeah, that be one of the few good things about them..
i recommended them to a mate 1 1/2 years ago for the same reason.
hard to find a bike for a big heavy bloke

[ducatilover]

ive considered the gt250 and gt250r, the vtr250, the hornet 250, and the spada. i found the spada tickled my fancy more, it looked yummy and even yummier with the wanky bits mine has, in the tests i did the hyocrap felt heavy and clumsy compared to the vtr and spada, the vtr looks gorgeous but in my case i found there were a few small handling differences when really pushing it and the spada had more top end and more torque. for every day riding id take the vtr or spada over the oil cooled hyobag....

[MattyP]

ive considered the gt250 and gt250r, the vtr250, the hornet 250, and the spada. i found the spada tickled my fancy more, it looked yummy and even yummier with the wanky bits mine has, in the tests i did the hyocrap felt heavy and clumsy compared to the vtr and spada, the vtr looks gorgeous but in my case i found there were a few small handling differences when really pushing it and the spada had more top end and more torque. for every day riding id take the vtr or spada over the oil cooled hyobag....

I reckon the VTR with the Spada clip-ons would look pretty cool.

I'm looking forward to riding them all shortly, so I can post my (relatively) inexperienced views on these hotly debated bikes. I've tried to do the virtual (in my mind) ride on all of them whilst checking out TradeMe pics, but it's all too close to call. The winner will be what I feel best on at the end of day.

Cheers,
M

[Pancakes]

People seem to Hyo-bash or claim they're the best. Neither is right in my mind. They hating started before many of the bikes were even sold. They have their issues, as bikes built to a budget do. The choice that makes most people buy them is normally new v.s used. There are some great bikes out there that have been used and loved. There are some that after replacing a brake line, some pads, a clutch, the rear tyre and having the carbs tuned will add a grand or so to the buy price of a 10+ year old bike that is selling fore the same as a new Hyosung. The fact they are a reasonable looking bike helps and the power thing is normally first to get scratched off the shopping list of someone who is looking for reliability as a must have. If you want power for your dollar and are looking at a new Hyo 250 or a 10 year old VTR 250 for your $7-8 grand buy Skelstars Hornet 900 which is a 2005! All the 250's are poor value the way the market is you just get to pick a known quantity in a new bike or an un-known in a used one.

Carver normally has very honest reviews of bikes and seems open to having a good laugh on anything but did a rave write up of the Comet (naked Hyo') when he did Wellington to Auckland on one but seems to hate the faired model? They're the same bike!

[carver]

People seem to Hyo-bash or claim they're the best. Neither is right in my mind. They hating started before many of the bikes were even sold. They have their issues, as bikes built to a budget do. The choice that makes most people buy them is normally new v.s used. There are some great bikes out there that have been used and loved. There are some that after replacing a brake line, some pads, a clutch, the rear tyre and having the carbs tuned will add a grand or so to the buy price of a 10+ year old bike that is selling fore the same as a new Hyosung. The fact they are a reasonable looking bike helps and the power thing is normally first to get scratched off the shopping list of someone who is looking for reliability as a must have. If you want power for your dollar and are looking at a new Hyo 250 or a 10 year old VTR 250 for your $7-8 grand buy Skelstars Hornet 900 which is a 2005! All the 250's are poor value the way the market is you just get to pick a known quantity in a new bike or an un-known in a used one.

Carver normally has very honest reviews of bikes and seems open to having a good laugh on anything but did a rave write up of the Comet (naked Hyo') when he did Wellington to Auckland on one but seems to hate the faired model? They're the same bike!

yeah, this one had more vibrations than the naked one for some reason, and by the way ppl rave about them, i came in with greater expectations

[Pancakes]

They rave cos they've never ridden before so sure it feels great... to be out on a bike. Or hate them cos they HAVE ridden before and unless it was an Enfield they thought it should be better.

I rode it with the expectation that I was getting the cheapest bike out and if it was "ok" that'd be great. It hasn't broklen down or cost me money so it's doing everything I thought it would.

[ducatilover]

wy not buy the mighty suzuki gn or yammahamma single. theyre both crap and cheap. my gn was crap and cheap. my spada was the best 250 for under 5k that i could find and i only paid $3800 from a dealer with 24k on the clock

[SwanTiger]

Carver, you are an illiterate rabid homosexual who writes retarded nonsense with no substance. The fact you lack the skill necessary to pilot a two-wheeled machine with any aptitude is contrasted by your archaic obsession with speed.

[breakaway]

Carver, you are an illiterate rabid homosexual who writes retarded nonsense with no substance. The fact you lack the skill necessary to pilot a two-wheeled machine with any aptitude is contrasted by your archaic obsession with speed.

Ahahah I laughed so hard milk came out my nose! And I wasn't even drinking milk!

[Pancakes]

wy not buy the mighty suzuki gn or yammahamma single. theyre both crap and cheap. my gn was crap and cheap. my spada was the best 250 for under 5k that i could find and i only paid $3800 from a dealer with 24k on the clock

Dude they Hyosung is soooo much better than a GN

[ducatilover]

Dude they Hyosung is soooo much better than a GN

i know. but the bag still isnt good value for money. why not get a zx250 balius? or a gpx? or a zzr? or something with proven reliability? and an actualy noticable amount of power. even the gutless vtr rides nicer than a hyosung. i could never justify buying a hyosung 250

[Pancakes]

i know. but the bag still isnt good value for money. why not get a zx250 balius? or a gpx? or a zzr? or something with proven reliability? and an actualy noticable amount of power. even the gutless vtr rides nicer than a hyosung. i could never justify buying a hyosung 250

Have you taken one out? Not sat on it but gotten used to one and put it through some sorners cos I leave lots of 250's behind. Even on the straights when the higher powered bikes have newbies onboard who can't ride a powerband right. They handle fine, another KB'er who rides a 'busa commented on how they have good turn in and now his wife has one. The lack of power is made up for in very low engine wear. As for unreliable, most of them are ridden by people with little or no bike knowledge and I'd be curious if you could point to a blown engine or simlar to back this up?

Don't get me wrong, they're built to a budget etc but if your gonna bag something please also point out why your doing it, share the info you have to help others out. Don't worry about power figures, mine is faster than a GPX for sure and all the bikes you mentioned don't look as good IMO with is what counts since it was my money I was spending.

[Pancakes]

(From another thread)


my second bike was a gn

it ate a chain that i kept well oiled etc
it ate the swing arm bushes...
every possible light....
gearbox started slipping out of gear....
pegs got worn down on the bottom quite alot:devil2:

all this happend within three monts of ownership and 10000km.:(

shit bikes. even my honda has taken a bigger beating and raping:spanking:

....and you ask why I don't just buy a GN?

[TRAINING WHEELS]

I dont know much about bikes as i am still on my first bike (noob) but i have found that the 06 model is more of a bitch than the 07, have you tryed the 07?. Nedless to say will the 08's be better???? Yes they are out just not sure if they in NZ yet....I ride the 07 and read up about them before buying it was not recomended as a L bike but i have ridden others ZXR & CBR and to be honest i feel safer on the Hoe... Yes its not as quick or have alot of get up and go as the others but i have scared myself first time on the others as was not expecting how quick. i must admit iam happy with my fist bike.

[Pancakes]

I dont know much about bikes as i am still on my first bike (noob) but i have found that the 06 model is more of a bitch than the 07, have you tryed the 07?. Nedless to say will the 08's be better???? Yes they are out just not sure if they in NZ yet....I ride the 07 and read up about them before buying it was not recomended as a L bike but i have ridden others ZXR & CBR and to be honest i feel safer on the Hoe... Yes its not as quick or have alot of get up and go as the others but i have scared myself first time on the others as was not expecting how quick. i must admit iam happy with my fist bike.

Most of the dealers have built a few of the new colour ones up already. PS, TRAINING WHEELS, I think you'll find your speedo reads at least 10% fast so don't hold back!

[TRAINING WHEELS]

Most of the dealers have built a few of the new colour ones up already. PS, TRAINING WHEELS, I think you'll find your speedo reads at least 10% fast so don't hold back!

lol Yea i noticed the spedo lol
I am awear some shops have new ones in but i think they are calling them the "special edition" they may be the 08 ones elswhere though...not to sure myself

[Pancakes]

Eh there's talk of this and that but the ones you'll see with more stickers on are the '08 and they're the same as the '07. Not fuel injected or anything else thats getting spread around.

[MattyP]

Are there any rust concerns with the 250r's painted steel frame? I would hate to see my new bike with bubbles.

On that note, is the VTR's trellis frame painted steel, or alloy?

[Coyote]

Get a Cagiva 125 or an Aprilia RS125 if money isn't a problem. They're badarse. Might even end up keeping them if you do upgrade

[ducatilover]

Have you taken one out? Not sat on it but gotten used to one and put it through some sorners cos I leave lots of 250's behind. Even on the straights when the higher powered bikes have newbies onboard who can't ride a powerband right.
so what? you may just be a better rider. i have riden both the gt250 comet and gt250r. i rode both over the pahiatua track and back via the saddle road, these are serious corners and neither bike impresses me.:Police: imho the hyobags are useless unless you are riding through town...although it would be lovely if they were lighter, and water cooled.:mellow:

[Pancakes]

so what? you may just be a better rider.

Aw shuck! You shouldn't have!!


i have riden both the gt250 comet and gt250r. i rode both over the pahiatua track and back via the saddle road, these are serious corners and neither bike impresses me.:Police: imho the hyobags are useless unless you are riding through town...although it would be lovely if they were lighter, and water cooled.:mellow:

Not as good but not useless...

Lighter would be sweet but that frames gonna stay steel for as long as they want to play price marketing not power marketing. The engine isn't grunty but from having a play I think it's more breathing and tuning, I don't think the engine cooling is a weak point.

[ducatilover]

Aw shuck! You shouldn't have!!



Not as good but not useless...

Lighter would be sweet but that frames gonna stay steel for as long as they want to play price marketing not power marketing. The engine isn't grunty but from having a play I think it's more breathing and tuning, I don't think the engine cooling is a weak point.
to start off with you have a 75* twin....and theres not much point "breathing or flowing it" as more intake charge equals more exhaust [we hope lol] which in turn makes more stress and heat...:oi-grr: bugger that on a daily used air/oil cooled thingy. the only thing the hobag has going for it is its new with usd forks....but still an insuperior bike...and to me far less fun.

how many litres do you use per 100km on average?

ive worked the spada out to be 4.23l on average...insanely good considering how thrashed it gets

[Pancakes]

to start off with you have a 75* twin....and theres not much point "breathing or flowing it" as more intake charge equals more exhaust [we hope lol] which in turn makes more stress and heat...:oi-grr: bugger that on a daily used air/oil cooled thingy. the only thing the hobag has going for it is its new with usd forks....but still an insuperior bike...and to me far less fun.

how many litres do you use per 100km on average?

ive worked the spada out to be 4.23l on average...insanely good considering how thrashed it gets

I have run it with a straight thru pipe. (edit, it lost a wee bit of bottom end and revved freey to over 12,00RPM. The stock system chokes it at much over 10kRPM) It didn't lean out dangerously but I would re-tune it if I was gonna run a free'er pipe on it daily. Don't want to throw money at tuning a carb tho. If I wanted power I wouldn't have bought it. The USD forks look the bizzo but aren't any better than the stock offering on other 250's I've ridden so are just for looks. Not tunable either.

I get 3.7L/100k's, averaged over a month commuting and 4.3L/100k's on rides where it's pretty much full throttle all the time playing catchup with the big boys.

I also think some of the poor handling stories come from over tightened chains. The manual says 20-30mm play but any less than 30mm and the chain takes some load when there are bumps mid corner. I have mine at 40 and check it/do small adjustments weekly if needed so it's not too long. Once you get to the point of the chain getting loaded it does feel nasty.

Your right about the configuration, who buys a V-Twin looking for the same top HP as the same size IL4? It's torque spread that I like, just with only 250cc's it can spread a bit thin sometimes. I coulda got a fast IL4 but as a cummter it's being ridden in all conditions and not just when I'm in riding mood. It's a way around with a know service history.

I'm not sure why we're having this conversation cas I'm more about the facts, whether they're for or against it. I don't just blidly think my bike is the best just cos I own it.

[ducatilover]

my commute is 69km each way on open road and some lovely twisties...basicly the roads where i test ride most bikes, eg gsx250, hyobags, vtr250, hornet 250 and my favourite thrash toy the zxr250c

[carver]

Carver, you are an illiterate rabid homosexual who writes retarded nonsense with no substance. The fact you lack the skill necessary to pilot a two-wheeled machine with any aptitude is contrasted by your archaic obsession with speed.

your exactly right..but you have NEVER met me in real life

[breakaway]

After reading all these posts about how shit GNs and GT250Rs are it looks like the best thing to do is buy a pre-raped.. err pre-loved CBR or VTR or somethingl ike that.

[limbimtimwim]

On that note, is the VTR's trellis frame painted steel, or alloy?The VTR is painted steel. Even after a few scrapes the bare metal doesn't corrode like crazy. However, I think the sub frame is made out of lower quality steel, but it lasts quite well too.

[hospitalfood]

the vtr will rust under and around the bottom yoke on the forks first, and the muffler.
I know the vtr is great as I rode my girlfriends one to sit my restricted after getting my XB12R. good bike, love it.
don't know about the hyobags though......they may be good but if you get one people will take the piss out of you without mercy.......
If you want power fuck the rules and do what I have done ( and most I ride with ) most my life and just get a fuckin bigger bike.
I worked up = 250, 250 2 stroke, 400, 750, 750, 1200 and current 1200.
still a shit rider but have not eaten hospital food for a few years now.

[Pancakes]

..............still a shit rider but have not eaten hospital food for a few years now.

What about your girlfriend?


jokes

[MattyP]

My car has sold, I've got the cash, I've made up my mind. The lure of a brand new bike with a large frame, hot looks and factory warranty for $7k was just too much. The GT250R has won and I'm gonna spring for a red one from JFK.

I was close to buying a VTR250, as everything I've read has been great, but for me it wasn't a bike that I could fall in love with every time I saw it.

Will post impressions and pics when I get her.

=> Cue the Hyobagging :girlfight:

[Pancakes]

.......=> Cue the Hyobagging :girlfight:

ah bro, you shoulda got the naked one oew!

[rphenix]

Yep I second the naked option hehe :)

Regardless consider giving Bay City Motorcycles a call they generally beat JFK prices and will deliver/pickup the bike from you whenever you want to service it :niceone:

[rphenix]

imho the hyobags are useless unless you are riding through town...although it would be lovely if they were lighter

To be honest I love the weight! I have to cross the harbour bridge hail or shine and I tell ya on those windy as frick days the hyo gives me a little confidence im not gonna get splattered over the chip seal.. versus some of those light 250's I see getting bounced around.

I dont know why speed comes into? If you want a fast 250 dont buy a 4 stroke go get an RG and ring the crap out of it personally I find the power I need is there the only time I want more is if I've got a pillion but by myself I'm always happy :clap:

[Sidewinder]

Yep but wheres the friggin rev counter honda?

ahhh but there is on the newer ones like mine

[Sidewinder]

ok n00bs, its official

in a drag thats about 700-1 k long, the VTR wins...it takes off faster than the GTR.
it feels more powerful and handles better.
why would you get a hyosung?

and what do i do when i had that drag with the hyosung? yup i was sitting on the tank when i was going over the line

[Sidewinder]

Carver, you are an illiterate rabid homosexual who writes retarded nonsense with no substance. The fact you lack the skill necessary to pilot a two-wheeled machine with any aptitude is contrasted by your archaic obsession with speed.

fuck up retard

[Sidewinder]

Are there any rust concerns with the 250r's painted steel frame? I would hate to see my new bike with bubbles.

On that note, is the VTR's trellis frame painted steel, or alloy?

painted steel

[MattyP]

Paid deposit on a new red 250r from JFK this morning. I pick it up at 4pm today - stoked :clap:

[Sidewinder]

Paid deposit on a new red 250r from JFK this morning. I pick it up at 4pm today - stoked :clap:

take it on the coro loop ride on sunday. me and carer are going on it. would be a good ride to breck your bike in and get use to it

[MattyP]

take it on the coro loop ride on sunday. me and carer are going on it. would be a good ride to breck your bike in and get use to it

Cheers, will have to pass this time (work on Sunday :doh:)

I might head out for the cheesecutter ride on Saturday though. From the ride home from JFK I can tell it's gonna take a while for the body to get bent into shape again! (back & wrists etc), so baby rides are the order of the day for a bit.

First impressions of the GT250R are good. I haven't explored much higher than 7k, but it seems to be pretty tractable in most gears. I stalled once on the way home because of a false neutral, but I had already accepted this may happen from time to time with this bike.

She certainly feels bulky compared to my old RG150, but that's one of the reasons I bought it.

I wont comment too much at this stage, since I've only done about 20kms. Am looking forward to throwing a few gentle twisties at it in the weekend.

[MattyP]

Did the Cheesecutter ride today and my bike has gone from a total distance travelled of 20kms to 120kms.

She performed flawlessly, apart from the clutch cable adjuster coming loose which meant the bike would stall even with the clutch lever pulled in. Once I figured out what was wrong it was 5mins before I was back on the road again.

A workmate is picking up a black GT250R on Monday, so we'll have a black, red and yellow one at work now :clap:

Nice bikes.

[hayd3n]

vtr 250 all the way drags of vtecs!!!!!!!!

[NighthawkNZ]

Both bikes will have there good points and bad points... I ride the other halfs '98 VTR250 every so often, and the good points about it


Is a good learners bike, has a solid sub frame, and is very stable. It will (and has) give a new rider a lot of confidence.
VTR does probably have a bit more power, but power isn't every thing mind you.
I found it reasonably and suprisingly comfortable (its physically big for a 250) I'm 6'1" and around 100kg I would happily take it on a long ride...


Little bad point things about the VTR250

No Rev counter on early models (I believe the 07 model does).
Very little storage under seat, and seat is part of the rear covers.
Has typical honda gear box.

[Sidewinder]

Both bikes will have there good points and bad points... I ride the other halfs '98 VTR250 every so often, and the good points about it


Is a good learners bike, has a solid sub frame, and is very stable. It will (and has) give a new rider a lot of confidence.
VTR does probably have a bit more power, but power isn't every thing mind you.
I found it reasonably and suprisingly comfortable (its physically big for a 250) I'm 6'1" and around 100kg I would happily take it on a long ride...


Little bad point things about the VTR250

No Rev counter on early models (I believe the 07 model does).
Very little storage under seat, and seat is part of the rear covers.
Has typical honda gear box.


doesnt matter if its a silkie smooth gear box its still better and will last longer because hindas own