TAUPO - Transit NZ Road Barrier Protest Ride

[Grub]

Seems Transit have a bit of a hooley coming up.

<table><tbody><tr class="odd"><td>Road Safety Barrier Systems Workshop</td><td>Suncourt Motor Hotel and Conference Centre, Taupo</td><td>4-5 December 2007</td></tr></tbody></table>
Now, wouldn't that be an interesting location for a protest .

An opportunity, maybe the best we will ever have, to make the point about the cheescutter barriers. A huge turnout of bikes on Tuesday 4 December at lunchtime and a quiet word to TV3 would be just too good an opportunity to miss.

How's this sound for starters
- Tuesday 4 December
- 12 noon or 1230 when they break for lunch (can anyone local find this out for us? You'd need to be sneaky about it)
- Assembly down at the yacht basin, ride out the south end of the basin onto the main road, up Spa Rd, along the back of Taupo to come out on SH5 Napier-Taupo Rd and back along the lake front to the Suncourt Motel
- Assemble/park on the huge grass area outside the Suncourt, face the motel and bow our heads in silence for 2 minutes at least (it will feel like forever).

Somehow I visualise the noise of a hundred bikes idling suddenly being shut down all together and the silence that follows would have a stunning impact. It would send a message about how serious we think the issue is and it would surprise the hell out of people who think that there will be lots of shouting and revving of bikes.

Noise and aggression is what most people expect of "bikies" and this would (I hope) leave them speechless.

If we have this about right, we'll put up a calendar item so people can register if they wish (although this doesn't seem to indicate actual numbers to expect)

Here's a map of the ride route idea. It's 20 mins at normal pace so lets say it will take 30. The route itself hits major visibility spots like the basin, the main street, Spa Rd is one busy road, SH5 Napier-Taupo has huge visibility as does the lake front all the way to the motel. Any other thoughts anyone?
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=6383801995817686205,-38.687030,176.065390%3B5122721534195041754,-38.689380,176.068680%3B3011933348630790788,-38.684810,176.070330%3B3758139634555268982,-38.680880,176.093140%3B13328633365737944084,-38.704230,176.111940%3B5841676430242195860,-38.705940,176.088030%3B12755389864909738306,-38.691020,176.071830&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=Redoubt+St+%40-38.687030,+176.065390&daddr=Ferry+Rd+%40-38.689380,+176.068680+to:-38.68427,176.070607+to:Taharepa+Rd+%40-38.680880,+176.093140+to:Crown+Rd+%40-38.704230,+176.111940+to:Lake+Terrace+%40-38.705940,+176.088030+to:Lake+Terrace+%40-38.691020,+176.071830&mra=dme&mrcr=1,2&mrsp=2&sz=16&sll=-38.684672,176.071229&sspn=0.012345,0.019956&ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1&ll=-38.692477,176.089811&spn=0.034702,0.050898&z=14

The cheescutter thread is here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=59344

[R6_kid]

I will be in town from the 30th Nov - 2nd of Dec, and there is a memorial track day on the 2nd for our friends Bruce and Daryl that we lost the last year so there should be a decently sizeable number of KB'ers in town anyway.

[Grub]

Excellent! You're right, lots of bikes in town ... this just gets better

[sunhuntin]

i will endeavour to be there, but likely wont get the time off work, as i will be just returning from the burt challenge.

[EJT]

Fantastic idea. Hopefully we can all make a statement.

[0arbreaka]

Will do my best to get time off work,

[Nasty]

I already owe craploads of leave so can't see my guys going for it :(

[robertydog]

I can do the 4th

[Grumpy]

I have a horrible feeling that I'm gonna be sick that day. A ride to Taupo might just be what I need.

[Meekey_Mouse]

I'll be there :yes:

I live literally 2-3 blocks from the Suncourt motel, any one who needs a place to stay is welcome to stay here. We have one small spare room with one bed in it so I can't promise you a proper bed, but if you don't mind a mattress on the floor or a couch... Then we don't mind how many people are here. The more people we can get to this the better! Also have enough space in the garage for about 6 or so bikes, maybe more if we fit them in closely.

[kinger]

I'm two minutes from the Suncourt, and I've got half a double garage, a double room, and a garden available if peeps want to rough it. I could also squeeze a dozen bikes behind the gates in the carport.
I'm in AKL for the protest tomorrow, so just tap up the guy with KINGR on his plate.
The only downside I can see may be the lack of population to wonder why we're there, but media coverage could be very useful.

[Zukin]

Good Idea

BUT

Maybe those attending should register, then the meeting time and date can be PMed, cause sure as hell they will be reading this website now after it was published in the papers.
It would take away the element of surprise if they knew we were coming :2thumbsup

[What?]

Good Idea

BUT

Maybe those attending should register, then the meeting time and date can be PMed, cause sure as hell they will be reading this website now after it was published in the papers.
It would take away the element of surprise if they knew we were coming :2thumbsup

I'd say they already know...
Don't worry about the surprise factor, just aim for a BIG turn-out to demonstrate the level of interest in this issue. And do it on the 4th, so they have plenty of conference time left to discuss it. A protest on the 5th would be relatively useless.

[yungatart]

I have a horrible feeling that I'm gonna be sick that day. A ride to Taupo might just be what I need.

Make sure you PM john about it, Grumpy. I'm sure he will join you, hXc too, if he does not have an exam that day.

[Grumpy]

Make sure you PM john about it, Grumpy. I'm sure he will join you, hXc too, if he does not have an exam that day.

Excellent.

[hedgier1]

Let me know when it is on

[Skunk]

Give me a date and I'll try and arrange leave.

[Cajun]

I shall be there,

[Holy Roller]

Road Safety Barrier Systems Workshop Suncourt Motor Hotel and Conference Centre, Taupo 4-5 December 2007

From what I read on this thread, the ideal date will be Tuesday 4th to do a protest ride.

[yungatart]

hXc will not be there, he has an exam that day.

[tri boy]

90% sure I can make it. It's nice and central, so a good turn out should be on the cards.

[Aero165]

I'll be there! As my sister said (Meekey_mouse) we have space for people who might need a place to stay

[Mountlocal1]

Count me in... :2thumbsup

[Meekey_Mouse]

Ok, so are we gathering there or meeting at another place and riding there as a group? The latter might have bit more of an impact imo

[Mountlocal1]

Ok, so are we gathering there or meeting at another place and riding there as a group? The latter might have bit more of an impact imo

Could all meet at the lakefront? Heaps of parking in the parking bays etc... Oh and theres food.. Its all about the food.. :niceone:

[Meekey_Mouse]

Could all meet at the lakefront? Heaps of parking in the parking bays etc... Oh and theres food.. Its all about the food.. :niceone:

If you were thinking about the Subway lake front area... that's only a block over from the Suncourt hotel, so a ride to the hotel won't cause much stir... Depends also on how many bikes as there isn't loads of parking in front of Subway. Generally if cars take up the car parks there is enough room for about 15-20 bikes if parked close.

Can a Mod please put up an attendance list or something so we know roughly how many people will be able to make it?

[Meekey_Mouse]

An opportunity, maybe the best we will ever have, to make the point about the cheescutter barriers. A huge turnout of bikes and a quiet word to TV3 would be just too good an opportunity to miss.

Do we want media to this? If so I should be able to get at the very least one reporter from The Weekender... might be able to get one from the Taupo Times and could always try bigger newspaper companies such as The Herald. I also know a contact who might be able to put something into the Manawatu Standard.

What do you guys/gals think?

[What?]

Having seen what was sorted at extremely short notice, I think that this could be "The Big One" without too much difficulty - i.e, all the regional protest rides are just lead-up events to The Big One.

And perhaps a Mod could move this into the CC area...

[Grub]

Great response team. How's this sound for starters (this text now in the thread opener)
- Tuesday 4 December
- 12 noon or 1230 when they break for lunch (can anyone local find this out for us? You'd need to be sneaky about it)
- Assembly down at the yacht basin, ride out the south end of the basin onto the main road, up Spa Rd, along the back of Taupo to come out on SH5 Napier-Taupo Rd and back along the lake front to the Suncourt Motel
- Assemble/park on the huge grass area outside the Suncourt, face the motel and bow our heads in silence for 2 minutes at least (it will feel like forever).

Somehow I visualise the noise of a hundred bikes idling suddenly being shut down all together and the silence that follows would have a stunning impact. It would send a message about how serious we think the issue is and it would surprise the hell out of people who think that there will be lots of shouting and revving of bikes.

Noise and aggression is what most people expect of "bikies" and this would (I hope) leave them speechless.

If we have this about right, we'll put up a calendar item so people can register if they wish (although this doesn't seem to indicate actual numbers to expect)

Here's a map of the ride route idea. It's 20 mins at normal pace so lets say it will take 30. The route itself hits major visibility spots like the basin, the main street, Spa Rd is one busy road, SH5 Napier-Taupo has huge visibility as does the lake front all the way to the motel. Any other thoughts anyone?
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=6383801995817686205,-38.687030,176.065390%3B5122721534195041754,-38.689380,176.068680%3B3011933348630790788,-38.684810,176.070330%3B3758139634555268982,-38.680880,176.093140%3B13328633365737944084,-38.704230,176.111940%3B5841676430242195860,-38.705940,176.088030%3B12755389864909738306,-38.691020,176.071830&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=Redoubt+St+%40-38.687030,+176.065390&daddr=Ferry+Rd+%40-38.689380,+176.068680+to:-38.68427,176.070607+to:Taharepa+Rd+%40-38.680880,+176.093140+to:Crown+Rd+%40-38.704230,+176.111940+to:Lake+Terrace+%40-38.705940,+176.088030+to:Lake+Terrace+%40-38.691020,+176.071830&mra=dme&mrcr=1,2&mrsp=2&sz=16&sll=-38.684672,176.071229&sspn=0.012345,0.019956&ie=UTF8&ll=-38.692477,176.089811&spn=0.049373,0.079823&t=h&z=14&om=1

[MSTRS]

Only problem with the route is the 'T' at SH5 and SH1 - it can be a frustrating exercise getting through that...imagine trying to get 100's (?) of bikes across en masse? Yes, I know that a marshall could hold up traffic, but I can't help but wonder if a better way would be to meet up at BP Wairakei and just head straight down SH1, even with the roundabout at Spa Rd...

[sunhuntin]

since im aiming to be there for the track day, i will sweet talk my boss into giving me another day. tuesday is the day im meant to be back at work, but one more day wont hurt... LOL. a 4 hour shift aint hard to get covered... will get the school kid to do it.

[Skunk]

Only problem with the route is the 'T' at SH5 and SH1 - it can be a frustrating exercise getting through that...imagine trying to get 100's (?) of bikes across en masse? Yes, I know that a marshall could hold up traffic, but I can't help but wonder if a better way would be to meet up at BP Wairakei and just head straight down SH1, even with the roundabout at Spa Rd...
Or a quick regroup on the lake front road... That avoids the spreading out caused by any of the intersections.

[Meekey_Mouse]

The only other thing is the traffic lights after the Spa Rd round about

[adamh]

I'll be there if it's at 12 cause I have an exam that day. but I live just up the road anyway.

[Meekey_Mouse]

**bump**

Do we know for sure if tv3 will be there?

[Grub]

Not yet .... hadn't really done too much until today's event was done and dusted. We needed everyone, including media to focus on today and the parliamentary process.

Marion Hobbs spoke really well about our ability to be heard via the petition process. The petition gets you a seat at the select committee table.

[cowboy]

This is to good an opportunity to wast so Ill do my bit & be there:yes::yes::yes:

[janno]

I'm driving up to Auckland that day to fly out to Aus.

So, bugger, otherwise I would definitely be a starter.
:argh:

[Meekey_Mouse]

I've been to Suncourt Hotel to try get a program of the workshop, but they said they don't have a booking for it :confused: Which is funny as I did a search on the net and found this:

http://www.transit.govt.nz/content_files/training/Rd-Safety-Barrier-Sys-Workshop-Flyer2007.pdf

It clearly states "Workshop Venue / Date
Taupo 4-5 December 2007
Suncourt Motor Hotel and Conference
Centre, Northcroft Street, Taupo."

[MSTRS]

Good work MM. Does anyone know someone 'on the inside' ? It would be an utter tragedy if we all turned up, only to find the date or town/venue has been changed without notice.

[Meekey_Mouse]

Good work MM. Does anyone know someone 'on the inside' ? It would be an utter tragedy if we all turned up, only to find the date or town/venue has been changed without notice.

I've rung the person in Transit who is doing the registration for the workshop, she has told me the schedule for the day and that it is at the Suncourt Hotel in Taupo on the 4th and 5th of Dec.

[sels1]

http://www.transit.govt.nz/content_files/training/Rd-Safety-Barrier-Sys-Workshop-Flyer2007.pdf

Good work MM. Made interesting reading.....

Wonder if there is anyone on KB who is suitably qualified to attend....we could have a whip around to send them to the workshop

[yungatart]

I have applied for a day's leave without pay, if I get it I will be there!
After my effort on Sunday in Welly, I want to see this through.

[Nasty]

Good work MM. Made interesting reading.....

Wonder if there is anyone on KB who is suitably qualified to attend....we could have a whip around to send them to the workshop

I agree with that and am happy to put our money where my mouth is ... do we have someone who is both able to attend and will glean information and bring it back to the table to ensure when we lodge the petition we have covered off the arguements that they are going to raise.

[McDuck]

I can chuck a few bucks in to. And will be in there if i can (as in if the bike is fixed by then) If not is there sombody that can pillion the unpillian-able?

[Meekey_Mouse]

I'd be happy to put a few $$ in too :yes:

So if their lunch starts at 12PM when would we need to group for the ride? And are we going to do Grubs route?

If we can get a few of the essentials sorted (meeting time, departure time etc) I'll try get a flyer printed to put in bike stores and a few other places.

[McDuck]

I Have an email address for Mark Inglis here, Who would be best to send him an email? I have worked with him before about 3 months ago) and left a very good impression (i hope) so he may remember me. So who ever is in charge please PM me the authority to email him under the CC campaign, and some tips as to what to say, etc
Thanks

[The Joka]

Good luck all!

[Skunk]

It's now on the first post in this thread...

[Meekey_Mouse]

How's this sound for starters
- Tuesday 4 December
- 12 noon or 1230 when they break for lunch (can anyone local find this out for us? You'd need to be sneaky about it)
- Assembly down at the yacht basin, ride out the south end of the basin onto the main road, up Spa Rd, along the back of Taupo to come out on SH5 Napier-Taupo Rd and back along the lake front to the Suncourt Motel
- Assemble/park on the huge grass area outside the Suncourt, face the motel and bow our heads in silence for 2 minutes at least (it will feel like forever).


If we have this about right, we'll put up a calendar item so people can register if they wish (although this doesn't seem to indicate actual numbers to expect)

Here's a map of the ride route idea. It's 20 mins at normal pace so lets say it will take 30. The route itself hits major visibility spots like the basin, the main street, Spa Rd is one busy road, SH5 Napier-Taupo has huge visibility as does the lake front all the way to the motel. Any other thoughts anyone?
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=6383801995817686205,-38.687030,176.065390%3B5122721534195041754,-38.689380,176.068680%3B3011933348630790788,-38.684810,176.070330%3B3758139634555268982,-38.680880,176.093140%3B13328633365737944084,-38.704230,176.111940%3B5841676430242195860,-38.705940,176.088030%3B12755389864909738306,-38.691020,176.071830&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=Redoubt+St+%40-38.687030,+176.065390&daddr=Ferry+Rd+%40-38.689380,+176.068680+to:-38.68427,176.070607+to:Taharepa+Rd+%40-38.680880,+176.093140+to:Crown+Rd+%40-38.704230,+176.111940+to:Lake+Terrace+%40-38.705940,+176.088030+to:Lake+Terrace+%40-38.691020,+176.071830&mra=dme&mrcr=1,2&mrsp=2&sz=16&sll=-38.684672,176.071229&sspn=0.012345,0.019956&ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1&ll=-38.692477,176.089811&spn=0.034702,0.050898&z=14

The cheescutter thread is here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=59344


Their lunch starts at 12 and finishes at 12:30, I'd say we would need to leave before 12 then.

I rode the route yesterday, at legal speeds and I had to stop at a few intersections... Took me 15 mins and 17 secs :)

[Grub]

Their lunch starts at 12 and finishes at 12:30, I'd say we would need to leave before 12 then.

I rode the route yesterday, at legal speeds and I had to stop at a few intersections... Took me 15 mins and 17 secs :)

Good work Jas. So an assembly at the Yacht Basin by 11:15 and departure at 11:45 would be about right then as we should allow a further 10 mins for a regroup along the lake front. Our arrival at about 12:15 would be spot on as they'l have their plates by then.

[Meekey_Mouse]

Good work Jas. So an assembly at the Yacht Basin by 11:15 and departure at 11:45 would be about right then as we should allow a further 10 mins for a regroup along the lake front. Our arrival at about 12:15 would be spot on as they'l have their plates by then.

That sounds good :yes: :jerry:

What do you guys think of the flyer? That's only a rough sketch sorta thing... Is there any one out there who can make it more professional?
Hope limbimtimwim doesn't mind that I used most of it out of his... :doh:

[speights_bud]

Wire Rope Barrier
"Cheese Cutter"
Protest ride

Tuesday 4th December

This is an opportunity for all motorists to show your concern about the dangers of wire
rope barriers ("Cheese Cutters") on New Zealand roads.
If you feel these are a danger to motorcyclists and other road users, then join this protest ride
to raise the public profile of the campaign to stop the
construction of these and to improve the safety of existing barriers.

Leaving: Yacht basin on Redoubt St, Taupo.

Meet at 11:15 For 11:45 Departure

Destination: ROAD SAFETY BARRIER SYSTEMS WORKSHOP, Suncourt Motor Hotel & Conference Centre.
Approx 15-20 mins riding
NB: there are no toilets, food stores or petrol pumps there.


NB: Attached is a word Doc with the above details if you feel appropriate to print out and distribute accordingly.

[speights_bud]

**is it possible to get the above post displayed on the Kb Homepage? mods/how do i?

[Skunk]

PM a senior mod.

[What?]

Bugger. I was keen to do this trip, but have to attend a meeting that day which will have a bearing on the future of my employment.
Buggerbuggerbugger.

[McDuck]

or you could die in a chese cutter.... you call...

[325rocket]

bonus ... ive just been made redundant at work so ill be there

[kinger]

Nice one Rocket, just don't go finding another job yet, eh?

[Skunk]

Leave approved. Now to assemble the bike...

[adamh]

just like to say that there are toilets at the yatch basin i have used 1 myself......:lol:

[McDuck]

Leave approved. Now to assemble the bike...

Did you get those sprockets back?

[McDuck]

just like to say that there are toilets at the yatch basin i have used 1 myself......:lol:

But is there enough for 400 odd bikers?

[sunhuntin]

But is there enough for 400 odd bikers?

you men can use trees.... its us ladies that need to panic! LOL.

[McDuck]

you men can use trees.... its us ladies that need to panic! LOL.

Lol yep. Hows the viargo?

[Skunk]

Did you get those sprockets back?
Not yet. They'll get here I'm sure.

[Meekey_Mouse]

Have printed out the flyer and will put it up in the bike shops this week :)

What's going to happen once we get there? Apart from the silence... Are we going to have speeches like the Wellington ride... If so who is going to talk etc... ?

[adamh]

Have printed out the flyer and will put it up in the bike shops this week :)

I shall ask my boss if we can put a flyer on the front window by the door because we have heaps of bikers come through.

[Meekey_Mouse]

I shall ask my boss if we can put a flyer on the front window by the door because we have heaps of bikers come through.

That would be awesome :2thumbsup Are you able to print one off or do you want me to drop one round?

[adamh]

That would be awesome :2thumbsup Are you able to print one off or do you want me to drop one round?

Drop one around please don't have access to a printer at the moment because I'm moving house.

I'll talk to him today and u can pm me a time to meet there.

[Wasp27]

Just as a matter of interest...who from Manawatu and Welly areas thats riding up for the protest on the 4th would be interested in meeting up with us around Palmy Nth and going through to Taupo as a group. Meet up time would be approx 9.00-9.30am Cheers W

[HornetBoy]

Just as a matter of interest...who from Manawatu and Welly areas thats riding up for the protest on the 4th would be interested in meeting up with us around Palmy Nth and going through to Taupo as a group. Meet up time would be approx 9.00-9.30am Cheers W

hey mate id be keen to meet ya and ride up if ya dont mind:headbang:

[Wasp27]

hey mate id be keen to meet ya and ride up if ya dont mind:headbang:

Thats cool buddy...just watch this space or hop across to our HB thread and see what happens...Cheers W

[Meekey_Mouse]

Hey W, do you still have the cheesecutter flag?

[HornetBoy]

Thats cool buddy...just watch this space or hop across to our HB thread and see what happens...Cheers W

ok mate will do ,pm me if it turns out a plan ,with the when,where's and who's :2thumbsup

[MSTRS]

Hey W, do you still have the cheesecutter flag?

I'd say so...and mine will be there too.

[325rocket]

Just as a matter of interest...who from Manawatu and Welly areas thats riding up for the protest on the 4th would be interested in meeting up with us around Palmy Nth and going through to Taupo as a group. Meet up time would be approx 9.00-9.30am Cheers W


i will be but ill be on a 250 so might (will) be slowish

[MSTRS]

i will be but ill be on a 250 so might (will) be slowish

You only have to do 100kph. Esp. up the guts...

[Wasp27]

Hey W, do you still have the cheesecutter flag?
Yep, sure do...rearing to go Jaz:niceone:

[Meekey_Mouse]

i will be but ill be on a 250 so might (will) be slowish

Don't worry, I'll either be on my 150 or 250 :niceone: Less then half of the ride is above 70kph and we won't be going over 100 :)


I'd say so...and mine will be there too.

Yep, sure do...rearing to go Jaz:niceone:

Woohoo, you guys are awesome :2thumbsup

[quallman1234]

i will be but ill be on a 250 so might (will) be slowish

Is there a group ride from wellington to taupo?

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Don't worry, I'll either be on my 150 or 250 :niceone: Less then half of the ride is above 70kph and we won't be going over 100 :)



Hi Meekey.

The flag bearers can only travel at 70-80 max in my opinion. They create a lot of drag and flap all about the place. When we went in to Wellington we stayed at 80 max 70 was better. Could you have a lead rider, maybe you, that knows the run and holds the lead at 70-80 on the open road and 30-50 in town? Also we need people to hold the traffic at roundabouts and intersections. They just need to ride out in to the lane, when it is clear, and hold the traffic till all the bikes are around the intersection. The lead rider can stop at the intersection but once they start again it is best all bikes keep going to clear the intersection. Thats when other riders can hold the traffic. Your Mum and Dad and brother maybe. Also the lead rider has to maintain a very steady speed or the back of the group end up with a rubber band effect. I would like to ride behind John and Warrick and keep an eye on the flags. We ask that everyone ride offset to the bike in front of them. No stunt riding would be good as we need to have the public on our side.



Sound ok John and Warrick?

Also we had a great write up in our local paper tonight. Well Done John, Janet and Warrick. You guys have done well with this campaign. Keep it up.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Is there a group ride from wellington to taupo?

If yes can we all meet in P/North or similar and ride up as a group?

[HornetBoy]

If yes can we all meet in P/North or similar and ride up as a group?

yea i second that ,as i said before id be keen to ride with you all,just give me a time and place etc .also are you all planning to stay up their or head back later that night/day ..

[Wasp27]

Hi Meekey.

The flag bearers can only travel at 70-80 max in my opinion. They create a lot of drag and flap all about the place. When we went in to Wellington we stayed at 80 max 70 was better. Could you have a lead rider, maybe you, that knows the run and holds the lead at 70-80 on the open road and 30-50 in town? Also we need people to hold the traffic at roundabouts and intersections. They just need to ride out in to the lane, when it is clear, and hold the traffic till all the bikes are around the intersection. The lead rider can stop at the intersection but once they start again it is best all bikes keep going to clear the intersection. Thats when other riders can hold the traffic. Your Mum and Dad and brother maybe. Also the lead rider has to maintain a very steady speed or the back of the group end up with a rubber band effect. I would like to ride behind John and Warrick and keep an eye on the flags. We ask that everyone ride offset to the bike in front of them. No stunt riding would be good as we need to have the public on our side.



Sound ok John and Warrick?

Also we had a great write up in our local paper tonight. Well Done John, Janet and Warrick. You guys have done well with this campaign. Keep it up.

Sounds good to me...was going to mention the maximum speed of 70ks...cause thats the speed at which we lose our bits on the barriers:eek:

[Meekey_Mouse]

Hi Meekey.

The flag bearers can only travel at 70-80 max in my opinion. They create a lot of drag and flap all about the place. When we went in to Wellington we stayed at 80 max 70 was better. Could you have a lead rider, maybe you, that knows the run and holds the lead at 70-80 on the open road and 30-50 in town? Also we need people to hold the traffic at roundabouts and intersections. They just need to ride out in to the lane, when it is clear, and hold the traffic till all the bikes are around the intersection. The lead rider can stop at the intersection but once they start again it is best all bikes keep going to clear the intersection. Thats when other riders can hold the traffic. Your Mum and Dad and brother maybe. Also the lead rider has to maintain a very steady speed or the back of the group end up with a rubber band effect. I would like to ride behind John and Warrick and keep an eye on the flags. We ask that everyone ride offset to the bike in front of them. No stunt riding would be good as we need to have the public on our side.

Also we had a great write up in our local paper tonight. Well Done John, Janet and Warrick. You guys have done well with this campaign. Keep it up.

Ooooh yeah! Sorry, never thought about the flags causing drag :crazy: They must be pretty difficult to ride with! I was wondering if you guys would want to lead the group, that way it would be kept at a steady pace, no one would rush past you to do any thing stupid and it would be obvious why we were riding.. What do you guys think? Would you rather have at least one bike in front that knows the way? I have no idea what it is like to ride with the flags, so if you would be more comfortable any where else then go for what you think would be best :)

I've been pondering over asking the cops if they would help to block the traffic lights, Spa round about and SH5 intersections... but am slightly concerned that if I go to talk to them they will think it's going to be a "rowdy bike thing" and not take me seriously because of my age and or try delay the workshop.

The other thing is, as you can see, there aren't many people on KB in Taupo and most of the bikers in Taupo don't get together. So trying to get marshals together could be quite difficult unless we are able to do it on here.

Sorry if this is quite jumbled, my head is foggy from painting all day and my comp is running really slow<_<

[speights_bud]

I'm going to ring the boss tomorrow and see if i can get the day off, if i can then i'll be able to help out with the marshalling of traffic lights etc, i know the area ok, and with the aid of a fluro vest and some other help sort out the traffic lights :)

[Gixxer 4 ever]

See PM. We will sort out the traffic. We just need a rider who is confident that can ride to the right lane and park in the front of it till the bikes have gone. If a car pushes in no problem let them go. We can filter around the round about and re group. Yes the flags should be in the front. It will all work out fine. No stress Meekey. Will be in touch.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

I'd say so...and mine will be there too.

Aye MSTRS... can we have a chat about helping Meekey sort this? As you and Tart and Mrs W are going direct could you be half an hour early and be there to give a brief on the ride before we start? Just incase we are late or what ever. Meekey and or Speights Bud could lead the ride. Can Tart coordinate the bikes at the end of the ride? Ie indicate when to switch off and hold the 2 minutes silence and then the ride away? Let me know what you think and we could sort it on Saturday night. Cheers

[Grub]

Is there a group ride from wellington to taupo?

Now hadn't got that in my head yet because I wasn't sure how long I was going to stay. At this point, I was thinking to leave at 6ish to be there comfortably by 10

[Meekey_Mouse]

Now hadn't got that in my head yet because I wasn't sure how long I was going to stay. At this point, I was thinking to leave at 6ish to be there comfortably by 10

Woohoo! Try bring as many Wellingtonians up with you as you can :2thumbsup If any of them can't ride Wellington-Taupo-Wellington in one day, they're welcome to stop here the night :yes:

[yungatart]

Aye MSTRS... can we have a chat about helping Meekey sort this? As you and Tart and Mrs W are going direct could you be half an hour early and be there to give a brief on the ride before we start? Just incase we are late or what ever. Meekey and or Speights Bud could lead the ride. Can Tart coordinate the bikes at the end of the ride? Ie indicate when to switch off and hold the 2 minutes silence and then the ride away? Let me know what you think and we could sort it on Saturday night. Cheers

I'll do whatever is necessary to keep this campaign public and make it a success....speak to the masses, ride shotgun, suicide watch on the intersections, whatever, I don't mind! Just give me some notice, is all i ask!
MM, is there a Ulysses club in Taupo?
They would prolly help out as ride marshalls etc, if asked.

[Meekey_Mouse]

I'll do whatever is necessary to keep this campaign public and make it a success....speak to the masses, ride shotgun, suicide watch on the intersections, whatever, I don't mind! Just give me some notice, is all i ask!
MM, is there a Ulysses club in Taupo?
They would prolly help out as ride marshalls etc, if asked.

Hmm... good question! I'll ask around and see if there is one lol

[MSTRS]

Hmm... good question! I'll ask around and see if there is one lol

http://www.ulysses.org.nz/taupo.html

[HornetBoy]

if people are coming from wellington to taupo ,please drop me a pm and ill join ya's.also is anyone planning on staying up their? if so where abouts?

[speights_bud]

Aye MSTRS... can we have a chat about helping Meekey sort this? As you and Tart and Mrs W are going direct could you be half an hour early and be there to give a brief on the ride before we start? Just incase we are late or what ever. Meekey and or Speights Bud could lead the ride. Can Tart coordinate the bikes at the end of the ride? Ie indicate when to switch off and hold the 2 minutes silence and then the ride away? Let me know what you think and we could sort it on Saturday night. Cheers

This all sounds good, if the RG has had the brakes sorted out then i'll ride that directly up there, it sounds like i have work off at this stage so count me in, i've always got a few sick days left.;)

i can also lead you guys who are heading up early and directly to meekeys place in the morning and go from there if thats what we decide. I'd be more than happy to assist in leading the ride/holding traffic at the intersections :)

[325rocket]

should i start a "people riding from wellington to taupo" thread to help us get organized?

[Wasp27]

should i start a "people riding from wellington to taupo" thread to help us get organized?

Wouldn't hurt to PM 'Grub' and see what's already been organised:msn-wink:

[McDuck]

should i start a "people riding from wellington to taupo" thread to help us get organized?

Yes. you should.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

This all sounds good, if the RG has had the brakes sorted out then i'll ride that directly up there, it sounds like i have work off at this stage so count me in, i've always got a few sick days left.;)

i can also lead you guys who are heading up early and directly to meekeys place in the morning and go from there if thats what we decide. I'd be more than happy to assist in leading the ride/holding traffic at the intersections :)

We will have a look at the brakes over the w/end. If they are ok, at this stage, you could run it in this weekend with MM down. you could put her bike in the van on Saturday.

We could pull them out again and try to clean them up a bit more. You could take them back to Auckland and turn up some new ones. I will get some seals and we can put it back together on Sunday the 2nd. You need to do some Ks on the bike this weekend to make sure it is reliable as We are going the long way around to Taupo and you can't drive the van and ride on Tuesday. You brake down you are stuck on the road for the rest of the day till we get home and back to you.

[Meekey_Mouse]

Hey guys,

I rode the suggested route again today to time it at and below 70kph, it is only a couple of mins shorter.... BUT SH5 is pretty appalling atm. The seal is melting really badly and they've laid loose chip over it. It is pretty dodgey to ride through, I would suggest we turn at Taharepa St, which you can see on the map... http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=6383801995817686205,-38.687030,176.065390%3B5122721534195041754,-38.689380,176.068680%3B3011933348630790788,-38.684810,176.070330%3B3758139634555268982,-38.680880,176.093140%3B13328633365737944084,-38.704230,176.111940%3B5841676430242195860,-38.705940,176.088030%3B12755389864909738306,-38.691020,176.071830&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=Redoubt+St+%40-38.687030,+176.065390&daddr=Ferry+Rd+%40-38.689380,+176.068680+to:-38.68427,176.070607+to:Taharepa+Rd+%40-38.680880,+176.093140+to:Crown+Rd+%40-38.704230,+176.111940+to:Lake+Terrace+%40-38.705940,+176.088030+to:Lake+Terrace+%40-38.691020,+176.071830&mra=dme&mrcr=1,2&mrsp=2&sz=16&sll=-38.684672,176.071229&sspn=0.012345,0.019956&ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1&ll=-38.692477,176.089811&spn=0.034702,0.050898&z=14

I think that is the old route, but you can see Taharepa on there... It takes about 4 mins off the ride.

What do you all think?

[speights_bud]

That looks pretty good, i think that if you set the ride you think is appropriate then that will be fine, we are all out there to make a stand/impression and ride together, you just tell us where to go and it'll be all good :D:D

[MSTRS]

Hey - just a thought here....if the bottom of SH5 is so bad, why not change the route to cut left up Broadlands Rd to Miro St, through the industrial area, right on Crown Rd, left at the shops and on down Tauharepa as before?? Adds some distance otherwise lost, and gets a lot of extra exposure??

[speights_bud]

You mean something like this?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=5335134040265688972,-38.689255,176.068402%3B9542129153967609418,-38.684330,176.070440%3B5264941490321279846,-38.679410,176.088320%3B13630375353809513121,-38.683956,176.107886%3B2636023535503179613,-38.691852,176.102668%3B11609149686592649110,-38.690731,176.099552%3B7463822419305045834,-38.696895,176.081118&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=redoubt+st+taupo&daddr=Ferry+Rd+%40-38.689255,+176.068402+to:Tongariro+St+%40-38.684330,+176.070440+to:Spa+Rd+%40-38.679410,+176.088320+to:Tauhara+Rd+%40-38.683956,+176.107886+to:Miro+St+%40-38.691852,+176.102668+to:Crown+Rd+%40-38.690731,+176.099552+to:-38.692042,176.072001&mra=dme&mrcr=6&mrsp=7&sz=15&sll=-38.691673,176.07698&sspn=0.015911,0.040169&ie=UTF8&ll=-38.687855,176.0923&spn=0.031823,0.080338&z=14&om=1

The only issue i can see is that if we have a decent turn out then there could be a few problems with holding up more intersections ?

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Hey - just a thought here....if the bottom of SH5 is so bad, why not change the route to cut left up Broadlands Rd to Miro St, through the industrial area, right on Crown Rd, left at the shops and on down Tauharepa as before?? Adds some distance otherwise lost, and gets a lot of extra exposure??

Hi John. W and I might go up on Sunday and have a look at the ride root. You interested? Should be a nice day for a ride.

[speights_bud]

Hi John. W and I might go up on Sunday and have a look at the ride root. You interested? Should be a nice day for a ride.

Not fair, i'll be stuck in the van :( but i'll have Meekey to keep me company :2thumbsup

[MSTRS]

You mean something like this?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=5335134040265688972,-38.689255,176.068402%3B9542129153967609418,-38.684330,176.070440%3B5264941490321279846,-38.679410,176.088320%3B13630375353809513121,-38.683956,176.107886%3B2636023535503179613,-38.691852,176.102668%3B11609149686592649110,-38.690731,176.099552%3B7463822419305045834,-38.696895,176.081118&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=redoubt+st+taupo&daddr=Ferry+Rd+%40-38.689255,+176.068402+to:Tongariro+St+%40-38.684330,+176.070440+to:Spa+Rd+%40-38.679410,+176.088320+to:Tauhara+Rd+%40-38.683956,+176.107886+to:Miro+St+%40-38.691852,+176.102668+to:Crown+Rd+%40-38.690731,+176.099552+to:-38.692042,176.072001&mra=dme&mrcr=6&mrsp=7&sz=15&sll=-38.691673,176.07698&sspn=0.015911,0.040169&ie=UTF8&ll=-38.687855,176.0923&spn=0.031823,0.080338&z=14&om=1

The only issue i can see is that if we have a decent turn out then there could be a few problems with holding up more intersections ?

Yeah that's it Paddy. I don't think that those extra intersections will be a problem. Won't be much traffic coming down Broadlands Rd and Miro St there is a give way. Miro/Crown - possibly. Crown/Tauharepa - also possibly. Through traffic at those intersections would be mostly residential and not exactly heavy.

Sorry Steve - unable to ride this Sunday.

[speights_bud]

The ride Route is actually slightly smaller on the one i posted up/MSTRS suggested, which of course doesn't really matter, its our presence not how long we are riding for that counts :)

[MSTRS]

It would seem that the route to be taken is sorted, love the idea in Grub's first post about the idle/shutoff/silence thing.
BUT....
Will there be any address/es?
Have national media been 'invited'?
Is there any indication of numbers going?
Have any Taupo pollies (Burton? Who else?) been told about this?

[Gixxer 4 ever]

It would seem that the route to be taken is sorted, love the idea in Grub's first post about the idle/shutoff/silence thing.
BUT....
Will there be any address/es?
Have national media been 'invited'?
Is there any indication of numbers going?
Have any Taupo pollies (Burton? Who else?) been told about this?

Hi MSTRS. I have sent W an email and he will contact you but can we get together at your place one night, soon, and go over the route and discuss the ride start and end etc with Tart and yourself? Pick a night and time and PM me and I will work it in. Thanks

[McDuck]

Hi MSTRS. I have sent W an email and he will contact you but can we get together at your place one night, soon, and go over the route and discuss the ride start and end etc with Tart and yourself? Pick a night and time and PM me and I will work it in. Thanks

If you want me to join in PM me to...... (altho i may need to stay the night to stay legal)

[Gixxer 4 ever]

If you want me to join in PM me to...... (altho i may need to stay the night to stay legal)

Yep I will send you a note when we have sorted a few things. We have the route sorted but need to finalise some detail. I will send you mail in a day or so. Cheers

[MSTRS]

If you want me to join in PM me to...... (altho i may need to stay the night to stay legal)

Good offer, but I'm sure it's not necessary for you to come all this way. If you'd like a 'job' to help out, perhaps you could assist with intersection blocking during the ride?? We can tell you how on the day.

[McDuck]

:) Sounds good to me.

With my size it would be a bumb cunt to take me on ;)

[MSTRS]

Oh it's got little to do with size and all to do with 'Do you think you are tough enough to take on this bad biker boy?' :cool:

[Meekey_Mouse]

Oki doki... update...

Taupo council will sweep the corner that Steve and I talked about so it will be free from gravel by today or tomorrow. I'll check it when I can, maybe tomorrow on my way back from work.

Taupo times will do a brief thing in the paper this week, will have a reporter there on the day to do a group photo and a write up :Punk:

The lady from the Weekender is going to call me back about it... So yet to get in contact with them but I have talked with the lady before and I'm sure she will be keen on it.

Does any one know if TV 3 has been contacted and if not, how do we contact them?

Almost there :banana:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Oki doki... update...

Taupo council will sweep the corner that Steve and I talked about so it will be free from gravel by today or tomorrow. I'll check it when I can, maybe tomorrow on my way back from work.

Taupo times will do a brief thing in the paper this week, will have a reporter there on the day to do a group photo and a write up :Punk:

The lady from the Weekender is going to call me back about it... So yet to get in contact with them but I have talked with the lady before and I'm sure she will be keen on it.

Does any one know if TV 3 has been contacted and if not, how do we contact them?

Almost there :banana:

Thanks Meekey.

Detailed ride plan has been developed and will be posted in the next few days. Just need to talk to some key people then Wasp27 will post the info. The ride plan is finished so all we need are bikes on the road....:Punk:.....

[speights_bud]

Thanks Meekey.

Detailed ride plan has been developed and will be posted in the next few days. Just need to talk to some key people then Wasp27 will post the info. The ride plan is finished so all we need are bikes on the road....:Punk:.....

Sweet :) If you don't mind we'll add the ride details to the bottom of the so called "official" Taupo protest thread that will be hopefully displayed on the KB main page

[Lucy]

Anyone fancy riding my GN up from Pukerua Bay to Raetihi sometime before this ride? I can't make it down there before then, but would love to (and would be able to) get to Taupo to help boost numbers.

[Grub]

There's a group coming from Welly via the Wairarapa and Hawkes Bay if anyone wants to join up with us, check out this thread ...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=61659

... and PM me

[adamh]

they have resealed the start of spa and mero street and its pretty stoney there which may still be bad on teusday.... i rode over it today and had to stay in the wheel tracks.
soo yea i'm jus

[Gixxer 4 ever]

they have resealed the start of spa and mero street and its pretty stoney there which may still be bad on teusday.... i rode over it today and had to stay in the wheel tracks.
soo yea i'm jus

Um thanks for the info. I think most of us can ride on shingle. We have to out on the roads so we can live with this. Thanks adamh

[sunhuntin]

Um thanks for the info. I think most of us can ride on shingle. We have to out on the roads so we can live with this. Thanks adamh

if there are any newer riders among us, they may still be uncertain on loose-ish stuff. even after the 25,000+k ive done, im still very shaky on loose stones and the like.

cheers, adam, for the update.

[McDuck]

As you would well know form welli i am happy with shingel. Just as long as it is not to fast and riders ar enot to close together it should be right.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

if there are any newer riders among us, they may still be uncertain on loose-ish stuff. even after the 25,000+k ive done, im still very shaky on loose stones and the like.

cheers, adam, for the update.

It will be slow. It is in town and the road is likely to be 30 kmh. It will be hard to change the ride at this late stage and Spa road gives us a loop of Taupo that brings us down in to a round about to rejoin the traffic on SHW1. I will go and have a look at it when we arrive in Taupo for the ride. Could you have a look Meekey? Thanks Is there a road we could use if this is to bad?

[Meekey_Mouse]

It will be slow. It is in town and the road is likely to be 30 kmh. It will be hard to change the ride at this late stage and Spa road gives us a loop of Taupo that brings us down in to a round about to rejoin the traffic on SHW1. I will go and have a look at it when we arrive in Taupo for the ride. Could you have a look Meekey? Thanks Is there a road we could use if this is to bad?


I'm in Auckland atm... So not sure if I'll be able to. Will try get it done if I can :yes:

Which Rd are you talking 'bout Adam? Miro is up by the industrial area and it doesn't join onto Spa Rd. We also won't be riding through Miro... So might not be a problem at all?

Jas

[yungatart]

Great!
Gravel!
All over the road!
I love gravel!....Not!


Makes you wonder if the bastards did it deliberately!

[Meekey_Mouse]

Hey guys, I rode up the part of Spa Rd that I think Adam was talking about... It's not bad :) At the speed we'll be going, I can't see any problems arising with it.

[Meekey_Mouse]

Ditto...rode over it yesterday on the way to the track.
'Tis 100% fine.


BTW...could someone help a mere mortal from Tauranga find where to meet y'all tomorrow :rolleyes:

I'll be working till bout 10:30/11ish but you could catch up with me after work n I could show ya the way :)

[Holy Roller]

BTW...could someone help a mere mortal from Tauranga find where to meet y'all tomorrow :rolleyes:

Head over the bridge going into town from Rotorua then first on the right and follow ya nose.

I will have the trailer on with some signage and extra placards for those who would like to hold them. Pix to come

[tri boy]

I survived the WWW ride, so will be there tomorrow.:cool:
I urge any other Ham town riders to head to Taupo also. You only have to ride in the Waikato a few times to be concerned with the abundance of these barriers.
I'm leaving from the northern Te Rapa Shell at approx 8am for those keen.
Look for a tall skinny white dude on a black Daytona.:blink:

[Meekey_Mouse]

I survived the WWW ride, so will be there tomorrow.:cool:
I urge any other Ham town riders to head to Taupo also. You only have to ride in the Waikato a few times to be concerned with the abundance of these barriers.
I'm leaving from the northern Te Rapa Shell at approx 8am for those keen.
Look for a tall skinny white dude on a black Daytona.:blink:

Awesome :D

If any one isn't sure where the meeting place is, meet at Mcdonalds at 11AM...


If you're not sure where the Mcdonalds is then ask and I'll try find a map :lol:

[Meekey_Mouse]

Bloody hell woman...that's yet another dig at me innit! :girlfight:

No, I'm guessing you know where the McD's are, in almost every town :dodge: :innocent:

[Meekey_Mouse]

little bitch :done:

:spanking:


Back to topic...

[Wasp27]

Head over the bridge going into town from Rotorua then first on the right and follow ya nose.

I will have the trailer on with some signage and extra placards for those who would like to hold them. Pix to come

The Pre-Start Assembly area is in Ferry Road...just up from the Boat Harbour. Its directly opposite the Rose Gardens.....also very close to the Taupo Yacht Club......where the Float Plane is parked at the jetty. Those riders coming from South will go along the Lake front and turn left toward the boat harbour instead of going up through town. Those Riders coming from up North will (as Holy Roller has already pointed out) turn left into Redoubt Road (past what used to be the camping ground) after crossing over the Flood Control Bridge...before you get to the Big Roundabout at the corner of Spa Road and Tongariro Street. If you can find where the boats are tied up you will surely find us. Cheers W

[yungatart]

Look out for a couple of big arse flagsattached to bikes! That will be Wasp27 and his Harley and Mstrs on the Wanton Hussy!

[Wasp27]

Look out for a couple of big arse flagsattached to bikes! That will be Wasp27 and his Harley and Mstrs on the Wanton Hussy!

Whose big arse.....:spanking:......:laugh:

[sunhuntin]

the info center has free maps if anyone needs one... coming from south, just follow the road till you have no option but follow the curve, and info center is on the left. mcds are before that corner and cant be missed. theres a subway nearby as well.

i will be there, alone, but there.

[robertydog]

Whose big arse.....:spanking:......:laugh:

She talking about you again:clap:

[Hellraiser]

Any JAFA's going down?

[yungatart]

Whose big arse.....:spanking:......:laugh:

Oh hun...your arse is just fine esp when viewed from the back. :dodge:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Oh hun...your arse is just fine esp when viewed from the back. :dodge:

So easily distracted......:Pokey: :jerry: :baby:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

She talking about you again:clap:

Look who's lurking here tonight. One of the owners of those Yamahahahahaa things that copulate all over the pub car park. Thank god for the Gixxer. :hug:

[robertydog]

Look who's lurking here tonight. One of the owners of those Yamahahahahaa things that copulate all over the pub car park. Thank god for the Gixxer. :hug:

Looks like you have a spelling problem. I will get our 8 year old to help you out.:lol:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Looks like you have a spelling problem. I will get our 8 year old to help you out.:lol:

He is far to nice a boy to bring down to the level seen here Rob. :)

You coming tomorrow?

[Wasp27]

A reminder folks....Red Arm Bands (left arm) for the ride tomorrow...thanks

weather looks really good for taupo ....be a shame to miss supporting this most important issue......see you all there, cheers W

[Wasp27]

Looks like you have a spelling problem. I will get our 8 year old to help you out.:lol:

Yaaaaaaaaammmmmmmaaaaaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa....is that better:bleh:
:laugh::laugh:

[yungatart]

So easily distracted......:Pokey: :jerry: :baby:

No, not me, I can be very focused when I want to be......

[Wasp27]

Don't forget to bring a Drink Bottle....with the temps expected to be in the mid 20s you WILL need to take drink stops at least every hour (particularly those traveling long distances)....and PLEASE RIDE SAFE
see ya there, cheers W

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Don't forget to bring a Drink Bottle....with the temps expected to be in the mid 20s you WILL need to take drink stops at least every hour (particularly those traveling long distances)....and PLEASE RIDE SAFE
see ya there, cheers W

yea what he said ^^^^^^^^ Check list.... hat....... sunscreen.... water..... Red arm band....... Invitations....... lunch......... Nanna mode set on bike.........

Yep think I am ready.

[BigG]

Yaaaaaaaaammmmmmmaaaaaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa....is that better:bleh:
:laugh::laugh: Harley Who!:bash:

[BigG]

Don't forget to bring a Drink Bottle....with the temps expected to be in the mid 20s you WILL need to take drink stops at least every hour (particularly those traveling long distances)....and PLEASE RIDE SAFE
see ya there, cheers W Should be two pubs on the way:wari:

[Wasp27]

Should be two pubs on the way:wari:

"........:nono:........"

[hornit]

Hi

For those that couldn't make it here is some video from today's ride.

To those that organized it well done !

Here is the link

http://www.arl.net.nz/cheesecutters/mediaplayer.html

Regards

[Meekey_Mouse]

Hi

For those that couldn't make it here is some video from today's ride.

To those that organized it well done !

Here is the link

http://www.arl.net.nz/cheesecutters/mediaplayer.html

Regards

Cool!!! Thanks for that :rockon:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

So a few of us were siting around having a beer and debrief from yesterdays ride to Taupo. So far we have been non confrontational. We have obeyed the letter of the law and been respectful to the LTSA reps that spoke to us yesterday. We have had some media coverage but not a lot. May thanks to the people that have covered our protest rides.

Well the beer and port are well gone from my blood now and I have had plenty of time at work today to think about things. Maybe it is time to stop being so nice. Look at it this way. We are nice and sit around drinking tea while miles of these barriers go up. So it is going to kill. We sit around and people are being lined up to die. So it's time to get a bit more aggressive.

Maybe we need to ride to Parliament and bang on some desks. Bash some heads on the walls and generally make our point that we are not going to let the killing fields continue to be developed. We stand back and they just send out muppets that think they are smart and will talk us away. Time to take some civil disobedient action. Maybe even personal attacks on the people that insist on putting these things up? Maybe some property damage and some assaults are what is needed. Aye if you can have gorilla training camps in NZ and get away with it maybe we need to take action. Time to stir the pot and get some heat in the fire. I am sure if a few politicians went down in a screaming heap the media would start to look. Why should they be able to kill us on the roads and expect us to stand by and do nothing? Maybe some politicians should be delivered to the wire rope barriers at 100 kmh from the back of a ute so they can see what we have to face. How far do we need to go?

Come on what are we doing next? This is not a war with the police or the public but with the greater minds that put money before lives. ACC would rather you die cos it is cheaper for them to have you buried than rebuild you. Wire rope do that well. The Prime minister and the ministers of the state that have the power are the only ones that can change this over night. So maybe they are the ones that need singling out for attention.

Well that's how I feel. Enough of the nandy pandy shit arss kissing awareness rides. time to kick single serious butt.

Well maybe not that much but we need to start looking at WHAT NEXT?

[kinger]

I must agree that I empathise with your frustration.
It seems that the French have the right attitude if a result is desired.
Sadly, direct action seems to be the only way that reasoned argument can get through some heads.
I did the Auckland and Taupo runs, and was highly impressed with the behaviour on both, maybe a little more controlled aggression, sad as it is, would emphasise our point.
Oh, please don't ban me for this response, I need the silent presence of other bikers now and again....new here:calm:

[yungatart]

I must agree that I empathise with your frustration.
It seems that the French have the right attitude if a result is desired.
Sadly, direct action seems to be the only way that reasoned argument can get through some heads.
I did the Auckland and Taupo runs, and was highly impressed with the behaviour on both, maybe a little more controlled aggression, sad as it is, would emphasise our point.
Oh, please don't ban me for this response, I need the silent presence of other bikers now and again....new here:calm:

It would only be valuable with a televison camera beaming it out to the nation....any suggestions?

[McDuck]

I vote we put a dead pig on th eback of a ute, get going to 120 or 130 and chuck it into the barrier, take photos and publish them.

[McDuck]

If done at legal speeds and proven to have been done so,then your idea would be great.
I'm currently coming up with some different tactics atm :cool:

Maby we should do lots of pigs, one at 30one at 40 one at 50 etc etc (or am i sounding a wee bit scary)

[MSTRS]

I'm currently coming up with some different tactics atm :cool:

Do they include the use of a rack and gallows?? Please?? And can we have a supply of rotten eggs to hand for use on those officials that just get to 'enjoy' the stocks???

[McDuck]

Also witht he pigs thing it is the sort of ting the media would like.

As showen by the fact that when ever tama iti blows his nose he is on tv, because he woudl do that kind of stuff.

[Holy Roller]

We need to get grey power on board
as the barriers on both sides of the road provide an intimadating setting for our older and new learner motorists. Also they are seasoned campaigners at lobbying gubmint with a credable membership behind them.

Anyone here a member?
Know the president or other leadership?

Truckers hate these barriers also and many have signed the petition down our way.

This campaign needs to grow wider to encompass all road users, a point I add to articles written for our local papers.

[sunhuntin]

problem with the pigs is that their skin and ours is completely different... dead skin goes tight, and theirs is thicker than ours as well. to really get an impact, we need some of those crash test dummys from car testing.

gixxer... great to meet you, and i am totally with you on all your comments. we need to cut those wires at one end so they go slack and then just lift the posts and lay the whole thing down on the side of the road. only damage done would be the wires cut.

i also seem to recall someone suggested sticking red crosses, one on each end. [like the white ones for road death] i suggested reflective material be used, as not all of them have reflectors. be easy to nail two bits of wood together and then wrap the lot in red reflective tape.


holy roller, do grey power have a website? might be able to email them through that.

[MSTRS]

We need to get grey power on board
as the barriers on both sides of the road provide an intimadating setting for our older and new learner motorists. Also they are seasoned campaigners at lobbying gubmint with a credable membership behind them.

Anyone here a member?
Know the president or other leadership?

Truckers hate these barriers also and many have signed the petition down our way.

This campaign needs to grow wider to encompass all road users, a point I add to articles written for our local papers.

Excellent idea about GreyPower. I have already sent the latest press release to the Trucking Association. And to the Motorhome Assoc as well. I will sent same to GreyPower right now.

[Holy Roller]

holy roller, do grey power have a website? might be able to email them through that.

Found it and an email has been sent

Any other lobby groups that we can approach?:woohoo:

[MSTRS]

Mate I'm far seedier than that :whistle:

How you gunna get 'them' down the ol'river afore they floods it???

[yungatart]

Any other lobby groups that we can approach?:woohoo:

MADD (mothers against drunk drivers) and Sadd (students against drunk drivers), couriers, (do they have a national association?,) travelling salesmens association, RSA, Taxi federation....if I think of more, I will add them later.

[sunhuntin]

would taxis care? by the number of times ive nearly been hit and seen em parked in a bike park...

[yungatart]

would taxis care? by the number of times ive nearly been hit and seen em parked in a bike park...

They possibly would not care if a rider went through one, but if they realise that a juggernaut might penetrate the barrier and take them out, or that their cab could become a convertible if they hit one, they may be a little more sympathetic to the cause.

We have to get non-riders to see that banning or covering WRB benefits them too!
People don't care until they see that they could get hurt too!
We have to make it about "them", not "us".

[sunhuntin]

good point.

i gave a petition [3 pages] to my mechanics today... he stuck it on a clipboard with a pen and put it right next to the eftpos machine. he totally rocks... just the best.

[McDuck]

What about blowen up pics of the munted car etc stuck on the barrier? Could be the size that Holy Roller had that the ride, just turn up at mid night and stick them on.

[McDuck]

Better still pick a place that is bumper to bumper at rush houre. let the traffic see how good they are.

[sunhuntin]

billboards would have to be above normal car height due to their width, otherwise we could in trouble under traffic obstruction.

[R6_kid]

So a few of us were siting around having a beer and debrief from yesterdays ride to Taupo. So far we have been non confrontational. We have obeyed the letter of the law and been respectful to the LTSA reps that spoke to us yesterday. We have had some media coverage but not a lot. May thanks to the people that have covered our protest rides.

Well the beer and port are well gone from my blood now and I have had plenty of time at work today to think about things. Maybe it is time to stop being so nice. Look at it this way. We are nice and sit around drinking tea while miles of these barriers go up. So it is going to kill. We sit around and people are being lined up to die. So it's time to get a bit more aggressive.

Maybe we need to ride to Parliament and bang on some desks. Bash some heads on the walls and generally make our point that we are not going to let the killing fields continue to be developed. We stand back and they just send out muppets that think they are smart and will talk us away. Time to take some civil disobedient action. Maybe even personal attacks on the people that insist on putting these things up? Maybe some property damage and some assaults are what is needed. Aye if you can have gorilla training camps in NZ and get away with it maybe we need to take action. Time to stir the pot and get some heat in the fire. I am sure if a few politicians went down in a screaming heap the media would start to look. Why should they be able to kill us on the roads and expect us to stand by and do nothing? Maybe some politicians should be delivered to the wire rope barriers at 100 kmh from the back of a ute so they can see what we have to face. How far do we need to go?

Come on what are we doing next? This is not a war with the police or the public but with the greater minds that put money before lives. ACC would rather you die cos it is cheaper for them to have you buried than rebuild you. Wire rope do that well. The Prime minister and the ministers of the state that have the power are the only ones that can change this over night. So maybe they are the ones that need singling out for attention.

Well that's how I feel. Enough of the nandy pandy shit arss kissing awareness rides. time to kick single serious butt.

Well maybe not that much but we need to start looking at WHAT NEXT?

I believe 'The Stranger' attended a meeting with BRONZ and the LTSA people up in Auckland and the outcomes was pretty good. They spoke directly to the people (and person) at the top and all the other right places. Trust me, it's going to be going the right way but it ain't going to happen overnight. They are now much more aware of our concerns, and a lot was gained from the meeting.

Personally I think it is best to maintain the 'awareness rides' to show that we are still here and still care, and the more people (cagers included) we can get to see the given dangers associated with the barriers in certain places (given that in some places they are a neccesary evil) are sometimes as dangerous to them as they are to ass then we will be all for the better.

edit: Thats the dude in the video - what he says is what i was told...

[sunhuntin]

where are they a necessay evil? ive never seen a cheese cutter anywhere where its more suited than an armco or concrete barrier.

[McDuck]

billboards would have to be above normal car height due to their width, otherwise we could in trouble under traffic obstruction.

Just stick them flat against the fence. Traffic moving at 5kph will see it.

[R6_kid]

where are they a necessay evil? ive never seen a cheese cutter anywhere where its more suited than an armco or concrete barrier.

Can't remember the name of the road, but it's a coastal stretch near Wellington. I was assured by someone who is opposed to the things that he can see why they are used there BUT it is a standout case.

I think it's best we bide our time until atleast the March BRONZ meeting with LTNZ (or whatever they call themselves now) before getting pissed off about things. I know this may result in more injuries/deaths and that is very sad and unfortunate but things can only happen so quickly in a beaurocratic society.

Personally I know that the guy who spoke gets paid more if less people die on our roads so it is in his own interests to help get the road toll down, and as he said many good things were taken away from meeting they already had.

We need to focus on getting the existing barriers made safe, as from an engineering point of view they are actually a pretty good system, but having bare edges exposed etc isn't helping anyone. Looking towards the future there will be much more (there was barely any before now) consultation with motorcycle lobby/focus groups (i.e BRONZ) with relation to road barriers which can only be better for us.

[Zukin]

Just a thought, I agree with what you are all saying
But do you think we need to take these tactics underground??

Nothing like the "Surprise element"
That way no one, other that us will know what we are planning

Is it possible for KB to have a locked section with a password, or maybe we have to resort to Mass PM'S

I am in for whatever happens until these things go!!:Police:

[Zukin]

C
I think it's best we bide our time until atleast the March BRONZ meeting with LTNZ (or whatever they call themselves now) before getting pissed off about things. I know this may result in more injuries/deaths and that is very sad and unfortunate but things can only happen so quickly in a beaurocratic society.


Whilst I agree with the majority of what you are saying
I don't agree that we bide our time and hope that there are no more injuries or deaths as a result of someone else's in ability to protect us all

I can say now, that if someone ends up on (or worse, through) these barriers all hell will break loose, so I will not sit back and wait for a meeting in March, only to discover that they wont do anything about it until 2011 :oi-grr:

We need to keep in their faces and by the time the meeting in March rolls around they have no other choice but to remedy these death traps and stop erecting anymore

Cheers

[R6_kid]

Is it possible for KB to have a locked section with a password, or maybe we have to resort to Mass PM'S


It already has one, you just aren't special enough to know about it. :Oops:

[R6_kid]

We need to keep in their faces and by the time the meeting in March rolls around they have no other choice but to remedy these death traps and stop erecting anymore

Why? They already know that we have a problem with them... BRONZ is pretty much our official way to rally them, and they will continue to do so. If you want to ensure something gets done, then get behind BRONZ and help them. Aggrevating people at LTNZ isn't going to help, if you 'keep in their face' you'll just end up pissing them off.

Jake the Muss ends up with nothing because he was a cunt, dont be the person who does that for all motorcyclists.

Billboards etc as mentioned may be a good idea but it needs to be professionally done, not half assed, otherwise we will be just like every other picket sign weilding group of nay sayers.... :blank: And we dont want to be annoying the public - we want them on OUR side.

[Zukin]

Why? They already know that we have a problem with them... BRONZ is pretty much our official way to rally them, and they will continue to do so. If you want to ensure something gets done, then get behind BRONZ and help them. Aggrevating people at LTNZ isn't going to help, if you 'keep in their face' you'll just end up pissing them off.

Jake the Muss ends up with nothing because he was a cunt, dont be the person who does that for all motorcyclists.

Billboards etc as mentioned may be a good idea but it needs to be professionally done, not half assed, otherwise we will be just like every other picket sign weilding group of nay sayers.... :blank: And we dont want to be annoying the public - we want them on OUR side.

Mate, you only read what you want to read

Where the hell did I say I was going to get all agro like Jake the Muss :angry2:
As for pissing them off, that would work for me if I knew I had the potential to save a life.

Maybe I need to rephrase what I said
What I mean is that if we don't do anything, March will roll around and Bronz will met with LTSA, and then best case scenario will be that the LTSA decides that it is too dangerous to continue and they will stop erecting these things by 2011.
By then there could be hundreds of kms of these things go up :angry2:

If we can stay in the picture by whatever means possible (and I refer to the public, the LTSA etc), preferably more rides, but we currently lack the awareness of the local and National Media, so we need to think about how we can best manage that :yes:

[Wasp27]

We need to focus on getting the existing barriers made safe, as from an engineering point of view they are actually a pretty good system, but having bare edges exposed etc isn't helping anyone.

Personally, I couldn't disagree more...IMHO this statement beggars belief, If you think for one moment that there's a cost effective fix for these hideous devices when compared with the cost of installing the Smooth Walled Concrete Barriers....I think your sadly mistaken....unless of course you were thinking of completely covering them with concrete, Now there's a novel idea :shit: Shit you could even taper them...you know, with a base about 60cm wide and smooth walls finishing approx 1 metre from the ground with a capping... say about 30cm wide......I'm sure I've seen something similar somewhere. :innocent: And as for your next point....what engineering example could possibly make these look good?????.....I personally can't think of any...then again what would I know about engineering.....

[Nasty]

Can't remember the name of the road, but it's a coastal stretch near Wellington. I was assured by someone who is opposed to the things that he can see why they are used there BUT it is a standout case.

The special case is Centenial Highway. The reason that they used wire barriers is that they take up less room and it "was" a narrow road.

1. The installation of these barriers recommends at least 3 meters either side for the fact that a car hits and does move things, without that room it is in the traffic on the other side.

2. The width of the road was a huge facter, in parts it was had passing lanes and others barely two way. To address this they have widened the road significantly so they could install the barriers - but not to the recommendation as mentioned above.

3. They are stating that the barriers there have already saved lives - before there was nothing there but a line that people crossed - I am under no illusion that any barrier system on that road would have been better than what they had.

4. I have both ridden and driven down the road since. It is terrible - when in the car you feel so closed in by the barrier that I think that will cause issues for some drivers - on the bike you seem to have more room and not feel so closed in cause you are so narrow compared to a car.

Oh well my ten cents for the morning ... stay rubber side down!

[Wasp27]

Personally, I couldn't disagree more...IMHO this statement beggars belief, If you think for one moment that there's a cost effective fix for these hideous devices when compared with the cost of installing the Smooth Walled Concrete Barriers....I think your sadly mistaken....unless of course you were thinking of completely covering them with concrete, Now there's a novel idea :shit: Shit you could even taper them...you know, with a base about 60cm wide and smooth walls finishing approx 1 metre from the ground with a capping... say about 30cm wide......I'm sure I've seen something similar somewhere. :innocent: And as for your next point....what engineering example could possibly make these look good?????.....I personally can't think of any...then again what would I know about engineering.....

Imagine if you will.....a machine built especially to straddle these barriers and completely cover the barriers with concrete as the self powered machine moves along.... exactly the same as the Curb and Channeling machines do now, only on a slightly bigger scale. These machines would be relatively cheap to produce......I would imagine a production run of twenty machines to start with. With these machines strategically placed around the areas where these barriers are installed... would be a simple operation to go out and repair any accident damaged sections. The biggest hassle I can see with this proposal would be the momentary disruption to the traffic flow whilst the Concrete trucks were alongside the machine filling the hopper with more concrete....I'm sure given more than the 5 minutes it took to think of this idea...we could design a loading system which would follow the Straddled Concrete Layer and provide next to no obstruction....just my 0.02c
worth
Edit;I see I 'm a little cheaper than you Kari (0.02c):laugh:

[Nasty]

Edit;I see I 'm a little cheaper than you Kari (0.02c):laugh:

Yeah but you are an engineer type dude :)

[yungatart]

One of the things that the Transit guy said, which I found really interesting was that in the middle of Auckland's motorway system (I'm sure he meant in town-spaghetti junction area) they had had to install concrete barriers because it was not feasible to close the motorway or block off affected areas to repair WRB....intimating the concrete ones don't need to be repaired....

[Nasty]

One of the things that the Transit guy said, which I found really interesting was that in the middle of Auckland's motorway system (I'm sure he meant in town-spaghetti junction area) they had had to install concrete barriers because it was not feasible to close the motorway or block off affected areas to repair WRB....intimating the concrete ones don't need to be repaired....

Yeah that is the stuff of looking at the "lifetime cost" of the product. The fact that if there is an accident you need to close out an area for a period of time is just terrible .. when with other systems you don't.

[Wasp27]

One of the things that the Transit guy said, which I found really interesting was that in the middle of Auckland's motorway system (I'm sure he meant in town-spaghetti junction area) they had had to install concrete barriers because it was not feasible to close the motorway or block off affected areas to repair WRB....intimating the concrete ones don't need to be repaired....

The good thing about the present Concrete Barriers are they are built in approx 6 metre sections and pinned to the road with spikes. Its a simple matter to come along with a Hiab Crane truck and quickly replace any damaged barriers. I remember being stuck in a 5.00pm traffic jam on the Southern M/way because a Truck had mounted a concrete barrier and overturned...the impact with the concrete was severe enough to rip out the entire front axle assembly and from what I could see as we passed the site was hardly any damage done to the barrier at all. That was the result of an impact at almost right angles. Thinking about that as an example...I seriously doubt that WRBs would have stopped that vehicle.

[sunhuntin]

Can't remember the name of the road, but it's a coastal stretch near Wellington. I was assured by someone who is opposed to the things that he can see why they are used there BUT it is a standout case.


as kari said, that bit of road is the WORST place for them! stretch a rubber band between your fingers. press the band with a finger from the other hand. it bends when pressed, doesnt it? what happens when a car going maybe 110k hits a wire barrier? that wire [and posts!] also bend, which means at least one half of the car at fault will still end up in the opposing lane. and then, chances are, that same car will be flicked backwards into the traffic behind it.
and then, when things finally settle down, traffic grinds to a stand still because there is no alternative route around that busted and broken car.

i know the current speed limit along there is between 70 and 80k, but i imagine when the wires have been finished, it will go back up.

a concrete barrier would be a much better option for that bit of road, specially now they have extended the wire north of the water and it has no reflectors.

wasp... your hopper idea could work. the concreting could be done at night, when there is minimal traffic to disturb.

[hornit]

Hi

Here is a link to what was put in the local Taupo newspaper today.

http://www.arl.net.nz/cheesecutters/paperLarge.jpg

Regards

[Nasty]

YAY .. great article :)

Well I like the picture :)

[Grub]

Personally, I couldn't disagree more...IMHO this statement beggars belief, If you think for one moment that there's a cost effective fix for these hideous devices when compared with the cost of installing the Smooth Walled Concrete Barriers....I think your sadly mistaken.....

No, he is right in what he was saying. In France they clip on a semi-rigid plastic envelope called Moto-Tub. That stops legs and arms getting all caught up in the posts.

This Barrier Post Report (c) 2004 Monash University Accident Research Centre (http://www.mraa.org.au/downloads/BarrierPostReport-FinalReport.pdf) is a great read, you'll find the details and pictures about Moto-Tub here ...

4.2.1.3 Moto.Tub
Moto.Tub consists of plastic (polyethylene) materials that are made largely from recycled products (see Figure 4.4). It is designed to connect to the post of either guardrail or wire rope to protect motorcyclists from injury following impacts with safety barriers. Moto.Tub was developed in France by a company called Sodirel (Pieribattesti & Lescure, 1999).

Moto.Tub comprises two end support units (with four sleeves), a rear-clamping device, and two tubular rails that are sleeved into the support piece. The device can be adapted to the lower part of all types of barriers mounted on visible metal supports (Pieribattesti & Lescure, 1999). Based on discussions with Sodirel, Paul Hansen, Managing Director of LB International Pty Ltd (Hansen, 2004) states that installation and maintenance of Moto.Tub is fast and efficient. It requires a one-man operation to install the tubing and takes only minutes to assemble each end support. There is no need to remove the barrier or use specialised tools ......

Section 4 of the report looks not only at Moto-Tub but other WRB covering systems

[Gixxer 4 ever]

This Barrier Post Report (c) 2004 Monash University Accident Research Centre (http://www.mraa.org.au/downloads/BarrierPostReport-FinalReport.pdf) is a great read, you'll find the details and pictures about Moto-Tub here ...

Section 4 of the report looks not only at Moto-Tub but other WRB covering systems

There are some very good solutions in this. I hope BRONZ have taken this Doc to the LTSA. I want to see the rolls put under our rural steel rails. They are as dangerous as the wire ropes. If you bin in to a steel barrier you are going to hit the post under the steel rail. I hope the LTSA stops putting the wire in till they read this. the answers are in here. Well done Grub.