Cheesecutter campaign

[Headbanger]

Imagine if the installation of safety barriers was based on the awesome logic of IL4, we would have land mines on the median strip.

Fuckers would treat them with respect I tell ya, And if they hit em, and complained?, well God damn, They weren't meant to hit them, Must have got their licenses in a weetbix packet. they deserve to get the hell blown up.

[Toaster]

I remember all those things we used to get out of weetbix packets when I was a kid. Ah, nice memory.

Speaking of landmines, a cheese cutter would be close to the same effect of a claymore mine.... shredded biker. Don't tell LTNZ, they may do it to save money... cost/benefit analysis and all that!

[bogan]

Imagine if the installation of safety barriers was based on the awesome logic of IL4, we would have land mines on the median strip.

Fuckers would treat them with respect I tell ya, And if they hit em, and complained?, well God damn, They weren't meant to hit them, Must have got their licenses in a weetbix packet. they deserve to get the hell blown up.

and forget cops doing u turns, they would drive on the other side of the road all the time, in dozers and tanks too, if you can't avoid them you deserve to get squashed, hell why stop at the roads, fail a maths test, killed, late on mortgage repayments, killed, disagree with gubbermint, killed. What a place!

[Kickaha]

, hell why stop at the roads, fail a maths test, killed, late on mortgage repayments, killed, disagree with gubbermint, killed. What a place!

We're not going to kill those who are late with their rates payments though are we?:whistle:

[bogan]

We're not going to kill those who are late with their rates payments though are we?:whistle:

hmmm, we'll have to wait to see what IL4 reckons, his plan after all init!

[Urano]

I'm just saying it how it is, your just getting upset. Because the truth goes against your beliefs and what you want.

interesting.
so why all the others countries in the world are not using the wire barriers? i've seen it in qatar and dubai only... but there they have the sand, which could become a decent reason to use it...


That is just it. The barriers may be 'safe' for the majority. But NOT for every type of road user. Not just us. We get guillotined. So do front seat occupants of lowslung cars that go under the wires. The big truck and driver will be fine, but not so those they hit who have a false sense of security.
The barriers need to be as safe as possible for everyone.

and there is another problem which came to my mind as soon as i've seen it: what if a car from the other lane hit the barrier and cut a wire? it snaps on the road, cutting everything it's on range? wise... very wise...



(I know it's not the right topic, but sooner or later someone should explain me what this acc is exactly. i've seen their site. it seemed to a mandatory national insurance. it seems not different from the mandatory third part damage insurance you have to subscribe here in italy. can't understand the point....)

[inlinefour]

thats not how karma works, though maybe this kharma you speak of is something different, ill just add it to the list of other BS you seem to be spouting.


Why bother, your plans would have any idiots kill themselves on the roads with all the hazardous barriers you've added, along with those who have a moments attention lapse, those whos vehicles breakdown and veer out of control, those who hit patches of oil... But hey, we are making the roads safer for those still left alive right?

I think that you need to look at your posts, perhaps when you have calmed down, as your not making much sense. For a start I don't have any plans, nor have I added anything. But as I see that your still bleating about safety, it really does not come as much of a surprise. The problem I have here at this website is that normally in the past, people got it much quicker than you. Now you might be someone special, who is a tad slow, but thats an explanation and not an excuse.

If this is the sort of dribble on display, on a public forum. How on Earth do you think that you have a chance of getting rid of WRB in reality???

Come on, do you expect me to believe that you live in a dream world? Where everyone is safe and no one ever gets killed or wounded? Have you actually been out on the roads lately? Are you aware that even if all the WRB disappeared (which they never will) tomorrow, motorcyclists would still end up getting killed. Or doing stupid shit and ending up killing themself?

The whole point is that is you don't like the risks involved in motorcycling. Stop being such a cock about it and stop riding. No one has forced you to get onto a motorcycle, nor forced you to ride anywhere near a WSB. If your likely to travel a path when there will be WRB near, you could even take a bus, taxi or car. No one has put you in any dangerous situation (as many of you would like to insist that being near a WRB is just that), except for yourself.

Its time that everyone face the facts that is yet to do so. WRB do more good than harm, be it percieved or actual.

Here is another thought. Those who choose to live in bigger cities, where there are proportionally more WRB about. No one is making you live there, go and get a job on a farm in the wops. Then you will no longer have to bleat about them and you would have plenty of great back roads to enjoy riding.

Speaking about being grossly unrealistic. Has anyone thought about the costings involved in removing all the WRB in NZ and replacing them with something else? NZ struggles to keep all its roading up to scratch and there are often plenty of great causes for changing the roads/streets in places. But due to the lack of funding, priorities need to be put in place and places do go without. Would you prefer that all the WRB be removed and replaced? Rather than make it safer for kids to get to schools and other places stop having sub-standard roading? But don't worry about anyone else, as long as you motorcyclists are safe, you can start bleating about how dangerous it is for others too. Although I doubt that would ever happen and your just as likely to start bleating about something else that you percieve a problem, in your own sad exsistance.

Try thinking about others and not just yourselves. As at the moment, bogan and the like, are just a bunch of self centred deluded twats.


and forget cops doing u turns, they would drive on the other side of the road all the time, in dozers and tanks too, if you can't avoid them you deserve to get squashed, hell why stop at the roads, fail a maths test, killed, late on mortgage repayments, killed, disagree with gubbermint, killed. What a place!

Now your resorting to being pathetic, as well as deluded. If anyone here does not like the way that it is in NZ. Please feel free to piss off and never come back.

[bogan]

(I know it's not the right topic, but sooner or later someone should explain me what this acc is exactly. i've seen their site. it seemed to a mandatory national insurance. it seems not different from the mandatory third part damage insurance you have to subscribe here in italy. can't understand the point....)

basically yes, but government run for non-profit (no choice of provider), used to be no risk rating for different user groups, and run on a no-fault basis, so there are no legal battles dragging it out.


I think that you need to look at your posts, perhaps when you have calmed down, as your not making much sense. For a start I don't have any plans, nor have I added anything. But as I see that your still bleating about safety, it really does not come as much of a surprise. The problem I have here at this website is that normally in the past, people got it much quicker than you. Now you might be someone special, who is a tad slow, but thats an explanation and not an excuse.

Clearly I was extending your view to other road users, you think if a biker is stupid enough to hit a WRB he should be killed, why not apply the same for cager, would need landmines or somthing but the theory is the same.

Come on, do you expect me to believe that you live in a dream world? Where everyone is safe and no one ever gets killed or wounded? Have you actually been out on the roads lately? Are you aware that even if all the WRB disappeared (which they never will) tomorrow, motorcyclists would still end up getting killed. Or doing stupid shit and ending up killing themself?
Obviously I just have a more realistic idea of what a dream world is.


The whole point is that is you don't like the risks involved in motorcycling. Stop being such a cock about it and stop riding. No one has forced you to get onto a motorcycle, nor forced you to ride anywhere near a WSB. If your likely to travel a path when there will be WRB near, you could even take a bus, taxi or car. No one has put you in any dangerous situation (as many of you would like to insist that being near a WRB is just that), except for yourself.

Nope, I'm ok with the extra risk on a bike, I'm not ok with the discrimination against bikers.


Here is another thought. Those who choose to live in bigger cities, where there are proportionally more WRB about. No one is making you live there, go and get a job on a farm in the wops. Then you will no longer have to bleat about them and you would have plenty of great back roads to enjoy riding.
I live in palmy, think the nearest WRB is about 100km away, I can see how it endangers other bikers (cos I'm not just a selfish prick who only looks after themselves) and am willing to help.


Speaking about being grossly unrealistic. Has anyone thought about the costings involved in removing all the WRB in NZ and replacing them with something else? NZ struggles to keep all its roading up to scratch and there are often plenty of great causes for changing the roads/streets in places. But due to the lack of funding, priorities need to be put in place and places do go without. Would you prefer that all the WRB be removed and replaced? Rather than make it safer for kids to get to schools and other places stop having sub-standard roading? But don't worry about anyone else, as long as you motorcyclists are safe, you can start bleating about how dangerous it is for others.

Try thinking about others and not just yourselves. As at the moment, bogan and the like, are just a bunch of deluded twats.

bwahahahahaha, now I do need to calm down, the stupidity and irony of that last bit almost had me in hysterics.

[bogan]

edit: double post, looks like It can go over max char count

[inlinefour]

I remember all those things we used to get out of weetbix packets when I was a kid. Ah, nice memory.

Speaking of landmines, a cheese cutter would be close to the same effect of a claymore mine.... shredded biker. Don't tell LTNZ, they may do it to save money... cost/benefit analysis and all that!

OK, lets say that in theory claymore mines was used. Everyone would be aware that they was there and only idiots would actually go anywhere near them. The way that I see it, NZ needs less idiots as it is, let alone KBer and motorcycling. So who is at blame here? It would have to be who ever put the claymores there and the idiots who got too close to them and got wasted. Its not like WRB are hidden out of sight like a claymore now is it.

[Maha]

OK, lets say that in theory claymore mines was used. Everyone would be aware that they was there and only idiots would actually go anywhere near them. The way that I see it, NZ needs less idiots as it is, let alone KBer and motorcycling. So who is at blame here? It would have to be who ever put the claymores there and the idiots who got too close to them and got wasted. Its not like WRB are hidden out of sight like a claymore now is it.

Thats .....were used and were there.

[Kickaha]

Speaking about being grossly unrealistic. Has anyone thought about the costings involved in removing all the WRB in NZ and replacing them with something else? NZ struggles to keep all its roading up to scratch and there are often plenty of great causes for changing the roads/streets in places. But due to the lack of funding, priorities need to be put in place and places do go without. Would you prefer that all the WRB be removed and replaced?

I would have liked them to actually put up a barrier that actually works as it is meant to ,costs less to maintain and actually works like the concrete barriers do, then they would have had more money to spend on those other things you mention


As at the moment, bogan and the like, are just a bunch of self centred deluded twats.

And you're not :lol:

It wont matter how many years I wait what you're saying will still be rubbish


Please feel free to piss off and never come back.

Please feel free to follow your own advice

[bogan]

OK, lets say that in theory claymore mines was used. Everyone would be aware that they was there and only idiots would actually go anywhere near them. The way that I see it, NZ needs less idiots as it is, let alone KBer and motorcycling. So who is at blame here? It would have to be who ever put the claymores there and the idiots who got too close to them and got wasted. Its not like WRB are hidden out of sight like a claymore now is it.

see, my example above wasn't very far off what you think!

and as to the lovely rep comment, judging by the amount of petty insults you bring, I think the only one get worked up enough to cry round here is you, I'm just amused a how twisted your logic is.

[p.dath]

Speaking about being grossly unrealistic. Has anyone thought about the costings involved in removing all the WRB in NZ and replacing them with something else?

There have been a couple of studies about this (not just for NZ), bothing involving Monash University. The WRB doesn't need to be removed. They found that added a second guard rail greatly reduce the chance of a motorcyclist gettng wrapped around the posts.

[MSTRS]

...NZ needs less idiots...

Do you really understand irony?
IL - a lot of people here used to have a lot of respect for you. Respect that only intensified (but NOT into pity) after your life-changing accident. In the last few pages of this thread, you've pretty much destroyed all that. Your ridiculous 'I'm all right' attitude simply shows us that you've adopted a cage-bound attitude and have forgotten what it is to ride a bike.
Oh yeah - you tell us that it's risky to ride a bike...we DO know that, you know...but that we are out of line in bleating about something else that can hurt/kill us. That's cager :sarcasm smiley: talk. And don't give us the money argument...we know WRB are cheap(ish). At first. It simply reflects the attiude of TPTB (and you, it seems) that we are expendable in the scheme of things.
We are simply standing up, and saying that we are not. And our choice of transport/recreation does not make us expendable, either.


There have been a couple of studies about this (not just for NZ), bothing involving Monash University. The WRB doesn't need to be removed. They found that added a second guard rail greatly reduce the chance of a motorcyclist gettng wrapped around the posts.You're thinking of Armco. Cheesecutter needs a complete sleeve, like a narrow upside down U, to cover both the posts and wires.
There is a concrete forming truck in England, a bit like a corn harvester, that straddles the WRB and drives along forming a smooth concrete wall enclosing the WRB in place. The WRB then ends up as re-inforcing inside the concrete. It's cheap to do, it works and we'd be happy.

[MSTRS]

And as for along the centre divide on motorways...we know we don't have to ride in the directly adjacent lane.
But just what do you propose we do when it's on single lane each way roads, with only a dotted line as a divider, which comprise most of the roading network in NZ. When it's down the middle and the road edge as well. A veritable killing zone.
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[Headbanger]

I live in palmy, think the nearest WRB is about 100km away, I can see how it endangers other bikers (cos I'm not just a selfish prick who only looks after themselves) and am willing to help.


They have cheese cutters on the road out of Wanganui , On areas that were run-offs.

Not great run-offs, but certainly I'd rather take my chances on the grass then getting ripped apart by high-tension wire.

[Toaster]

OK, lets say that in theory claymore mines was used. Everyone would be aware that they was there and only idiots would actually go anywhere near them. The way that I see it, NZ needs less idiots as it is, let alone KBer and motorcycling. So who is at blame here? It would have to be who ever put the claymores there and the idiots who got too close to them and got wasted. Its not like WRB are hidden out of sight like a claymore now is it.

It was just a bit of humour. Get over yourself! What the hell has happened to you? You used to be amusing, now you just seem bitter. Your loss pal.

[inlinefour]

It was just a bit of humour. Get over yourself! What the hell has happened to you? You used to be amusing, now you just seem bitter. Your loss pal.

Nah I'm OK, just wanted to compare the two. I can still be amusing, when the time is right. As MSTRS pointed out, anyone who disagrees with the common opinion regarding WRB, is called a cager and their opinion(s) are considered invalid. As well as some here attempted to belittle who is voicing out against what you all are wanting. Sure you all might be able to do it on this website, but it does not actually make you correct. Alot of what I've said is completely valid and you ignore it at the peril of the whole campaign.

I know that many here think that your going to be able to make a difference and get the barriers replaced. It would be nice if this was possible, but if history is anything to go by, your quite likely to be pushing shit up hill.

[Headbanger]

A lot of what I've said is completely valid and you ignore it at the peril of the whole campaign.


Did you not notice the bit where every single thing you said was shot down on every level by multiple people?

And your idea that the campaign must be stopped because its a disgrace to Kiwibiker is slightly more perilous to the campaign then ignoring you would be. Ignoring you is the best possible option, Though its not as amusing as throwing your rubbish back at you.

[RiderInBlack]

I know that many here think that your going to be able to make a difference and get the barriers replaced. It would be nice if this was possible, but if history is anything to go by, your quite likely to be pushing shit up hill.We should really thank you IL4 for reviving the Campaign by rarking us up. Most have us had given up, and even the threads on it had gone dead until ya started ya pro-WRB posts. It reminds us of why we need to continue fighting to improve the attitude Transit NZ has toward Motorcyclist as road users.
To achive ya goal (if that is real ya goal) of us giving up on the battle agaist WRB, all ya had to do is nothing. So here's a BIG THANK You from me to you for reviving this thread:Punk:

[MSTRS]

As MSTRS pointed out, anyone who disagrees with the common opinion regarding WRB, is called a cager and their opinion(s) are considered invalid.

Anyone who argues that we just need to be careful around WRB is coming from a cager perspective. One which assumes that care means we won't come into contact with the damned things. The perspective that comes with that slightly smug 'I'm all right, and you're already courting death by riding one of those evil contraptions" attitude.
Toss out the cost argument (which is flawed anyway) and what do you have? A safety device that is NOT safe.

[Headbanger]

Just imagine if the shoe was on the other foot....

http://www.imagef1.net.nz/files/One_In_A_Million.jpg

[MSTRS]

Sometimes, it is...

[MSTRS]

Just imagine if the shoe was on the other foot....



Don't you find it interesting that after a few incidents of this nature, Armco ends were redesigned to stop such happenings? Yet I don't recall ANY lobbying or predictions of catastrophe. I wonder how many incidents it takes?

[Headbanger]

The cynic in me thinks nothing changes until someone is fearful for their job/position.

There personal position being of more importance to them then the greater good.

[Bald Eagle]

Don't you find it interesting that after a few incidents of this nature, Armco ends were redesigned to stop such happenings? Yet I don't recall ANY lobbying or predictions of catastrophe. I wonder how many incidents it takes?

Not many if they involve cagers apparently

[Bald Eagle]

And as for along the centre divide on motorways...we know we don't have to ride in the directly adjacent lane.
But just what do you propose we do when it's on single lane each way roads, with only a dotted line as a divider, which comprise most of the roading network in NZ. When it's down the middle and the road edge as well. A veritable killing zone.


Or the wonderful coast road from Pukerua Bay North, WRB and concrete walls on both sides , no escape there at all . My daily canyon ride

[MSTRS]

Now come on. Don't be like that.
The Kapiti doctors wanted a barrier put there. And there's no room for anything else. And it can be dropped to provide access in case of a major incident.
Yea right...

[Bald Eagle]

Now come on. Don't be like that.
The Kapiti doctors wanted a barrier put there. And there's no room for anything else. And it can be dropped to provide access in case of a major incident.
Yea right...

there's plenty of room for a concrete barrier if they wanted it, just need to seal over some rocky foreshore ... oops sorry not politically correct there.

[inlinefour]

Yeah no worries RIB, its nice that someone actually figured out what I was doing, rather than just reacted to it and mostly poorly. Many will know that I've had plenty of practice at trolling and can do it anytime, its fairly easy for me. I did have to think about it as a general road user and what I've mentioned in some posts. I think that you all need to consider more seriously. Along with any other thing(s) that might be brought up when meeting with anyone important. If the cheese cutter campaign real starts getting near its goal. As I would put my last $ on the fact that there will be plenty that oppose WRB being removed and they will try to put it back on those who are opposed to them

Personally I think they are a shocking device and I am myft, on what they are doing in NZ. I don't like the idea of being next to them while on a motorcycle and I actually don't like the fact that anyone else has to be near them. No matter what form of transport they want to use or how they wanted to get there.

Its getting that bad for cyclists safety, that this sort of thing http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10641092 is now needing to happen. If things are now this bad, you really are taking your lives in your own hands. Despite the facts that safety has improved with how bikes and gear is made. Its offet rather largely by the fact that there are so many more morons on the roads (as well as much more traffic) and I'm certian that the worst of them are in Taranaki. As they still pull out in frount of me and I'm in a large van.

The truth of the matter is that this all started when they opened the new bypass from New Plymouth north. I can now drive with them next to me, on the right and I would love to throw a watermelon (they cost so much now that I'm planning on growing them next year) at it to see the mess. If I kept all the ones not fit for eating, I reckon I would have a few. Having something splattered along a strech of WRB would be a good way of showing their nasty side. I'm sure if others start thinking outside the box also, some other good ideas might surface.

Also I think limiteding thoughts and debate. To your one sided views, is why the whole cheese cutter campaign became stagnant in the first place.

[MSTRS]

Well well. Trolling, eh? The thing is, every thing you said is what is used by 'them' to justify the use of these vile contraptions. And every argument they've ever used has been countered by 'us'. Yet nothing has changed. 'They' don't want to know. Yet the minute something makes 'them' vulnerable, it gets fixed.
How do we become 'them'?

[inlinefour]

Well well. Trolling, eh? The thing is, every thing you said is what is used by 'them' to justify the use of these vile contraptions. And every argument they've ever used has been countered by 'us'. Yet nothing has changed. 'They' don't want to know. Yet the minute something makes 'them' vulnerable, it gets fixed.
How do we become 'them'?

I would think that running for Government would be the only realistic option.

My dairy is full, so it better be you.

[Headbanger]

Yeah no worries RIB, its nice that someone actually figured out what I was doing, rather than just reacted to it and mostly poorly. .

pfffffft, Tug on it fatty. You created an epic fail and now your looking for an out.

Any doubt is countered by the fact you started this crap in the "Site stuff" forum as an excuse to mouth off, and only moved into the cheese cutter forum when the backlash to your delusions became to great.

An orchestrated attempt to reinvigorate the cheese cutter campaign?

Fuck no, an attention seeking twat getting shot down in flames.

[Toaster]

Thats .....were used and were there.

And he completely missed the point that my post was purely having a dry laugh/poke and nothing more. Oh well. Next thread.....

[yungatart]

Thats a bit sad, IL4.
I have subscribed to this thread since its inception....it has turned into a bitch fest of late, and has become inane, ranting, and full of bs.

What was a resource is now nothing more than a troll, because you had nothing better to do than wind up some members on here.
Troll, indeed!

[inlinefour]

pfffffft, Tug on it fatty. You created an epic fail and now your looking for an out.

Any doubt is countered by the fact you started this crap in the "Site stuff" forum as an excuse to mouth off, and only moved into the cheese cutter forum when the backlash to your delusions became to great.

An orchestrated attempt to reinvigorate the cheese cutter campaign?

Fuck no, an attention seeking twat getting shot down in flames.

Now that I've done what I originally came to do, your no longer on ignore. Although as I see the quality of your posts have not changed, this might have not been a wise move and I'm just as happy to put you back on. If you actually put as much effort into the actual campaign, rather than just shoot your mouth off, it might help. But as you much prefer to be part of the problem and are clearly just a kyboard cowboy, I can't say that I'm surprised. You must be an absolute chump in person, as you just behave like a spoilt child here. I wonder if you was born with two dicks, because you can't be that stupid playing with just the one.


Thats a bit sad, IL4.
I have subscribed to this thread since its inception....it has turned into a bitch fest of late, and has become inane, ranting, and full of bs.

What was a resource is now nothing more than a troll, because you had nothing better to do than wind up some members on here.
Troll, indeed!

I do have better things to do, I knew that there would be enough members who would react poorly, to what I posted. It was completely predictable and I'm surprised about how long it went on for. I definitely had plenty of laughs and I wonder if your still upset about what I called you. But the fact is, that even though you all carry on about them, you have just given up on trying to have them removed. I know the Govt will want to keep them. As they are cheap, much cheaper to install, easy to remove if future road changes require, cheap and quick to repair and they don't leave riders on ACC like me. Which saves a huge amount for each rider that hits a WRB and the whole thing boils down to the almighty dollar.

Trying to get a Govt to spend money they deem unneccessary is virtually impossible. Trying to do so sets yourself up for failure and this is why you lot are really upset with me. Either sort it out properly or get over the fact that WRB are there. Crying over spilt milk makes you all look like idiots, but for some that comes naturally.

[Headbanger]

Swish.

You shamed yourself and disgraced this thread.

And you still think your on a pedestal.

Epic fail.

I have no doubt that you stand behind everything you have put forward, That you believe you see clearly where others are deluded, that the use of Cheese cutters is fine, and that Motorcyclists are being weak by demanding they not be used.

Now you have just modified your approach as the burn was starting to sting.

Your not just a troll, You're a fuckwit in every sense of the word.

[yungatart]

I do have better things to do, I knew that there would be enough members who would react poorly, to what I posted. It was completely predictable and I'm surprised about how long it went on for. I definitely had plenty of laughs and I wonder if your still upset about what I called you.

Pity that you didn't do some of those better things, then.
Did you call me something? Water off a duck's back...I don't recall it at all...another epic fail on your part.

[swbarnett]

I believe IL4 when he says that this whole train of thought was a troll. It explains why there were so many contradictions in what he was saying. That's the problem with playing devil's advocate; if you don't actually believe what you're spouting it's incredibly hard to stay consistent.

[Headbanger]

He contradicted himself because he had nothing to base his assertions on that he has a...ahem...logical clarity above and beyond all motorcyclists, His "points" were shot to pieces immediately and he continued because conceding he was wrong would have hurt his ego.

Now he has folded, and no matter what he claims his motivation is, His message was weak bullshit and his delivery the work of a deluded fool.

He deserves nothing but contempt, and as already referenced,the same bullshit was pulled in his Bitch and Moan thread so its obvious as to its context.

Further more, anyone that promotes the idea of biker death is a piece of filth, no matter what they claim as an agenda.

Acting like a wank doesn't make a person clever, It just makes them a wank.Maybe even a deluded wank

[RiderInBlack]

Personally the saddest thing here has been that we've been busy banging on about whether IL4 was trolling or not, when we should be getting our butts into gear about how we should continue the fight to get Road Barriers safer for all users.
NZ Government wins again because as a whole we are just too apathetic.

[Headbanger]

Personally the saddest thing here has been that we've been busy banging on about whether IL4 was trolling or not, when we should be getting our butts into gear about how we should continue the fight to get Road Barriers safer for all users.
NZ Government wins again because as a whole we are just too apathetic.

Personally I think without a ground swell from non-bikers or a few horrible deaths that nothing is going to change, certainly whipping this thread into a frenzy achieves nothing but wasting of everyone's time. Still, even the idiots within our own ranks have to be set right.

The next step, Take a cut-off saw to the barriers and notify the media.

[inlinefour]

Personally I think without a ground swell from non-bikers or a few horrible deaths that nothing is going to change, certainly whipping this thread into a frenzy achieves nothing but wasting of everyone's time. Still, even the idiots within our own ranks have to be set right.

The next step, Take a cut-off saw to the barriers and notify the media.

Throw a pig carcass out of a van doing 100kph at the barriers and graphically show the carnage these things are capable of. Get it all on the national news, aiming at shocking as many people as possible and then other road users' attitudes might change.

What you suggest will just get yourself arrested and damage the campaign.

[reofix]

This is... and always has been bullshit ... with 1500 kg objects just over the centreline doing 100 k ... and you are worried about stationery stuff you might crash into...get a life .. and learn to ride ... avoiding crashing into stationery stuff is riding 101

[Katman]

Throw a pig carcass out of a van doing 100kph at the barriers

Throwing a retard out of a wheelchair would probably have the same result.


I don't think there's been such an epic back-track since the days of skidmark.

[bogan]

This is... and always has been bullshit ... with 1500 kg objects just over the centreline doing 100 k ... and you are worried about stationery stuff you might crash into...get a life .. and learn to ride ... avoiding crashing into stationery stuff is riding 101

think you missed the boat on that one

<img src="http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/29377/original/1222345240_failbus_failboat.jpg" />

but i found this picture which describes you situation very well.

[Berries]

Yeah no worries RIB, its nice that someone actually figured out what I was doing,

And what have we learnt ? The people who didn't know you before think you are a twat, it appears the people who have known you for a while think you’re a twat, and your dairy is full. Well done.

As for reinvigorating the campaign, hardly. Posting on KB will do nothing. If you really do despise them your time would be better spent doing something about them rather than winding people up on here and coming across as a complete and utter nutcase. Just think, you could have helped solved the issue over the last couple of weeks instead of being an arse.

I work in the industry and I put guardrail in. I might even know your imaginary uncle. As a rider I am not bothered about what guardrail is used as I don’t intend hitting it. They all hurt.

For what it is worth, here's my 2c for a ‘campaign’. Petitions and protest rides will do fuck all. Forget about MP’s, they don’t ride every day. Forget about NZTA National Office, the people who count have been there too long and are set in their ways. An outsider is not going to change their opinion unless a whole raft of other countries ban the use of WRB and I haven’t seen that evidence even though people keep saying it is happening. If a factual and professional case was presented then just maybe they will take an interest, but as soon as it gets emotional and the term cheese cutter comes out you have lost the battle. Last time I looked there was not enough NZ evidence of them being that bad for motorcyclists so you can’t go down that road.

The best thing to do IMO is to complain (or preferably just talk) to your local NZTA office. Build a relationship. In the end they will look a bit a more closely at the issue, rather than fobbing people off. They are the ones who might be able to convince their National Office, and even if they can’t, they can make a local decision not to use WRB if they believe the safety issues are valid.

I don’t want to have a dig at BRONZ, I can see that starting in another thread, but the R for Rights can put some people on the defensive immediately. For that reason I think individual contact is the way to go, so rather than vent on this thread you’d be better off going straight to the people who count. You never know, you might achieve something other than lengthening a thread that has been going on for over two years.

Back to IL4. Your shit stirring/trolling has done nothing to further the cause, if that was the intention, it has just changed peoples opinion of you. The only reason I didn’t put you on ignore is. That your punctuation made me laugh.

[MSTRS]

As a rider I am not bothered about what guardrail is used as I don’t intend hitting it. They all hurt.



Which is precisely the problem. We don't intend to hit anything...but if (or when) it happens, we'd rather be hurt than diced.

[inlinefour]

And what have we learnt ? The people who didn't know you before think you are a twat, it appears the people who have known you for a while think you’re a twat, and your dairy is full. Well done.

As for reinvigorating the campaign, hardly. Posting on KB will do nothing. If you really do despise them your time would be better spent doing something about them rather than winding people up on here and coming across as a complete and utter nutcase. Just think, you could have helped solved the issue over the last couple of weeks instead of being an arse.

I work in the industry and I put guardrail in. I might even know your imaginary uncle. As a rider I am not bothered about what guardrail is used as I don’t intend hitting it. They all hurt.

For what it is worth, here's my 2c for a ‘campaign’. Petitions and protest rides will do fuck all. Forget about MP’s, they don’t ride every day. Forget about NZTA National Office, the people who count have been there too long and are set in their ways. An outsider is not going to change their opinion unless a whole raft of other countries ban the use of WRB and I haven’t seen that evidence even though people keep saying it is happening. If a factual and professional case was presented then just maybe they will take an interest, but as soon as it gets emotional and the term cheese cutter comes out you have lost the battle. Last time I looked there was not enough NZ evidence of them being that bad for motorcyclists so you can’t go down that road.

The best thing to do IMO is to complain (or preferably just talk) to your local NZTA office. Build a relationship. In the end they will look a bit a more closely at the issue, rather than fobbing people off. They are the ones who might be able to convince their National Office, and even if they can’t, they can make a local decision not to use WRB if they believe the safety issues are valid.

I don’t want to have a dig at BRONZ, I can see that starting in another thread, but the R for Rights can put some people on the defensive immediately. For that reason I think individual contact is the way to go, so rather than vent on this thread you’d be better off going straight to the people who count. You never know, you might achieve something other than lengthening a thread that has been going on for over two years.

Back to IL4. Your shit stirring/trolling has done nothing to further the cause, if that was the intention, it has just changed peoples opinion of you. The only reason I didn’t put you on ignore is. That your punctuation made me laugh.

You have learnt that alot of people here would much rather pick faults with other peoples posts. Than get off their arses' and actually do something worth while, to achieve what is wanted. I couldn't give a rats arse what people think of me here, I never did. Nor could I care less if my spelling and punctuation lives up to someone elses' expectations, or not.

I see now it was a waste of time trying to rark up this thread. There are plenty of keyboard coyboys here, but not really anyone who is prepared to do much else. I guess I was right at the beginning, when I said that people here just want to bitch and moan? As it would appear your all good for stuff all else. Your loss at the end of the day and if so. You will all be needing to get used to the WRB.

[Headbanger]

Do us all a favour and fuck off aye?

Your input is worse then worthless,Your fail is of epic proportions and your delusions are grandiose.

Your in no position to put anyone down.

[MSTRS]

... people here just want to bitch and moan? As it would appear your all good for stuff all else. ....

And you are different, how?
I don't see you 'getting off your arse' (sorry) and doing something about thses bloody things, either. Why should it be someone else?

[inlinefour]

And you are different, how?
I don't see you 'getting off your arse' (sorry) and doing something about thses bloody things, either. Why should it be someone else?

A. I'm not the one taking part in the cheese cutter campaign.
B. I'm no longer riding, no longer have the same issue(s).
C. I have much more to contend with now I'm disabled and as a result have far less free time (not out of choice).

and most importantly,

D. I'm not one of the many here, who are expecting/wanting things to change.

I did enter this thread to do my own bitch and moan. I'm quite possibly the only one here who is happy to admit this, yet I'm not the only one doing the bitching and moaning. Yet for all of it, its counting for absolutely nothing and not making any change.

[MSTRS]

That's as may be...kinda 2 faced to accuse us of bitching and moaning, by doing just that.

[inlinefour]

That's as may be...kinda 2 faced to accuse us of bitching and moaning, by doing just that.

Maybe, but it also shows that what your doing is jack shit.


Do us all a favour and fuck off aye?

Your input is worse then worthless,Your fail is of epic proportions and your delusions are grandiose.

Your in no position to put anyone down.

Coming from you that means 5/8ths of fuck all and you would have to be the biggest hypocrite here at KB. Your bleating about something that your just as happy to be doing yourself. Ever heard of pot calling the kettle black? Or does that sort of thing go over your head? I remember reading in one of your posts that your work had you involved in installing WRB? If this is actually the case then your far beyond being a hypocrite and if you was really against WRB, you wouldn't take part in adding more.

[Headbanger]

The only thing you have shown is your a moron.

And to damn thick to stop.

Dig faster?

[Mom]

Have a look at

www.mag-nz.org

http://www.mag-nz.org/campaigns/wire-rope-barriers

[reofix]

when we look at ourselves we might start to find the answers to biker deaths... but blaming others is so easy and makes us feel so damn righteous

[avgas]

I feel this fits well in here

http://www.thebest404pageever.com/swf/angry_fap.swf

[carver]

is this campaign still going on?
or have Cheesecutters become safer?

[Sliver]

100% support

[Pixie]

is this campaign still going on?
or have Cheesecutters become safer?

Kiwis are too busy working on their apathy

[carver]

Kiwis are too busy working on their apathy

quasi said he would not stop...

[Sliver]

100% support

[caspernz]

I'm kinda on the fence on this subject. Reading in the Dominion Post today, the Kapiti Coast bike paramedic is not bothered about WRBs. It's along the lines of, WRBs are better than no barriers, and it's not as if bikers are being maimed en-masse by WRBs in NZ. Or are the statistics fudged completely?

[Gremlin]

I'm kinda on the fence on this subject. Reading in the Dominion Post today, the Kapiti Coast bike paramedic is not bothered about WRBs. It's along the lines of, WRBs are better than no barriers, and it's not as if bikers are being maimed en-masse by WRBs in NZ. Or are the statistics fudged completely?
Simple problem is that if you hit them, you're going to come off worse than if you hit concrete (with less points of impact to maim/alter your course of direction). Seems no-one really thinks of it, yet it can't be argued either.

[swbarnett]

I'm kinda on the fence on this subject. Reading in the Dominion Post today, the Kapiti Coast bike paramedic is not bothered about WRBs. It's along the lines of, WRBs are better than no barriers, and it's not as if bikers are being maimed en-masse by WRBs in NZ. Or are the statistics fudged completely?
The problem I have with WRBs is not how much of a hazard they are (they're probably no worse than a farm fence put close to the road). It's that they're installed in the name of safety. Anything with a safety related purpose must not decrease safety for anyone. Imagine if the negatively affected group were Maori instead of motorcyclists. They would have never even gotten of the drawing board.

[Mom]

it's not as if bikers are being maimed en-masse by WRBs in NZ. Or are the statistics fudged completely?

No, bikers are not being injured enmass by them. However, they have the potential to be very lethal to bikers in the event we should come into contact with them over 7okph.


Simple problem is that if you hit them, you're going to come off worse than if you hit concrete (with less points of impact to maim/alter your course of direction). Seems no-one really thinks of it, yet it can't be argued either.

I guess where a lot of folk come from, it wont matter what you hit, IF excessive speed is a problem.

MY biggest issue with them though, is any kind of mechanical failure, tyre blowout, or what have you with my Millie that results in a "wobble/loss of control" could take off an arm or a leg or even kill me if it happened next to a WRB. I come from the pathetic type of biker that generally follows the speed rules, and travelling at the open road speed limit places me at a risk I can not mitigate should something go wrong.


It's that they're installed in the name of safety. Anything with a safety related purpose must not decrease safety for anyone.

Be SHHHHHHHHH! You are talking sense. That can not be seen to be acknowledged.

[thehovel]

I heard the tail-end of a radio news item about a rider of a Harley being killed in the Wellington area. I heard it at 6:00am Only just awake. Has any-one else heard any thing about a crash of a biker into a Cheese Cutter Barrier in the last coule of days. Regards Richard

[Maha]

I heard the tail-end of a radio news item about a rider of a Harley being killed in the Wellington area. I heard it at 6:00am Only just awake. Has any-one else heard any thing about a crash of a biker into a Cheese Cutter Barrier in the last coule of days. Regards Richard

Its all in here Richard...http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/148757-Wellington-Free-Ambulance-Charity-Run-(Wed-25-April)?p=1130312226#post1130312226