Cops cameras out of bushes

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Well thats what this story said.
A good move and it will cut back on the aggravation. :mad: Good move. :niceone:

http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,3882-3787449,00.html

[pipeman]

I thought they stopped that sometime ago. :mellow: I guess not about time everyone played fear :niceone: wouldn't mined ready the new guidelines. Got caught a couple of times when the speed camera car was park off the road just peeed me off :doh:

[Ms Piggy]

Already being talked about.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=5950

[scumdog]

DON'T GET ME GOING!! They give me a job and then tell me I have to do it with one hand tied behind my back!!

This is not a school-yard people!! 'pax' and 'nibs' don't work!! It's lives we are dealing with.

Why shoudl there be any quarter given to those that break the rules when they 'see' a cop but go like hell when they don't? :mad:

BTW I've had a couple of rums :msn-wink:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Already being talked about.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=5950
Ummmm sorry about that people.

[Skyryder]

DON'T GET ME GOING!! They give me a job and then tell me I have to do it with one hand tied behind my back!!

This is not a school-yard people!! 'pax' and 'nibs' don't work!! It's lives we are dealing with.

Why shoudl there be any quarter given to those that break the rules when they 'see' a cop but go like hell when they don't? :mad:

BTW I've had a couple of rums :msn-wink:

Because at the end of the day the police need the support of the public to do their job. Without the publics support much of the informtion that the police use to prosecute would dry up. When police officers hide behind bushes sighns or whatever is available it is viewed as 'sneaky' The public do not like to sneaked up on in anyway whatsoever. Besides I believe the best deterent is a comprhensive police 'prescence' on the road.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

Because at the end of the day the police need the support of the public to do their job. Without the publics support much of the informtion that the police use to prosecute would dry up. When police officers hide behind bushes sighns or whatever is available it is viewed as 'sneaky' The public do not like to sneaked up on in anyway whatsoever. Besides I believe the best deterent is a comprhensive police 'prescence' on the road.

Skyryder

Hey! no support = no prosecution = criminal goes free, who suffers? think about it!
'Sneaky'? road death ain't a school-yard game kemo-sabe, "fair' is not a word related to road deaths.!! :angry:

[gav]

If a cop car in full sight slows down motorists, isnt this a good thing?

[Bob]

If a cop car in full sight slows down motorists, isnt this a good thing?

I support that view!

Over here in "The World of the Speed Camera", originally the fixed cameras were grey and did not need to be signposted. Then it was realised that not only was this very, very unpopular with motorists (for which read "An awful lot of voters"), but the cameras were potentially CAUSING accidents as people unfamiliar with the road were panic-breaking, or ploughing into the back of drivers/riders aware of the camera locations.

So fixed location cameras were repainted yellow and warning signs on the approach to them were put up.

Similarly, the mobile cameras employed by the police, which could be set up behind bushes etc., were put into more public locations.

The idea, as someone said here, was that overt, rather than covert action being taken met with wider approval and was a safer way of controlling speed.

There are still a LOT of convictions - and as my chum Dave always says, if you are caught on camera, then you deserve everything that you get!

I'm no fan of the almost total dependence on fixed location cameras that is the reality of being on the road in the UK - we NEED traffic police to monitor all aspects of bad driving, not just speeding.

But surely if the actions of the police are felt to be 'sneaky' or 'underhanded', then they will not get the support of the public? Something they need in the fight against crime?

Scumdog, I understand perfectly when you say "Hey! no support = no prosecution = criminal goes free, who suffers? think about it!"... but how many people are going to think things through to the logical conclusion?

A hell of a lot of people will just think "They're not playing fair" (or rather more obscene words to that effect) and won't consider anything else, let alone aiding the police - a group of people they may well now consider to be "bending the law".

Trust is a two-way street.

[rodgerd]

Because at the end of the day the police need the support of the public to do their job.

So the police should only be allowed to catch criminals who feel bad about it? Veryone who thinks they are getting a hard time should walk?

[Gixxer 4 ever]

DON'T GET ME GOING!! They give me a job and then tell me I have to do it with one hand tied behind my back!!

This is not a school-yard people!! 'pax' and 'nibs' don't work!! It's lives we are dealing with.

Why shoudl there be any quarter given to those that break the rules when they 'see' a cop but go like hell when they don't? :mad:

BTW I've had a couple of rums :msn-wink:
Ok so lets call a Taxi then.........get the point Scumdog. Just keep focusing on taking money off the ordinary people while the big crims will do what they like. For example ....lets all walk over the Auckland harbour bridge....Police..No you can't do that...well maybe this time.......... Get a life and try and see what is going on around you and start working on the areas that need it. You and the other public servants just don't get it in the real world do you........ I am pleased I can see you and do not have to put up with the smart comments and shit face looks I get when one of you jumps out of the bushes and takes my money. We the public are not allowed to defend ourselves by punching you in the face so we have to take it..........at the moment........Keep hiding behind the badge :brick: Have a nice day

[That Guy]

I don't think the public has a problem with the police trying to make roads safer (although Police get lodged with too much of the responsibility for this and Transit don't get enough), people (well me anyway!) have a problem with when an approach to make roads safer appears to be more geared towards revenue grabbing. That's what winds people up (well, me anyway!). Drive down a straight road with nothing around at 113 and -snap- someone in a bush just made $130 thanks.

I saw a good alternative to money grabbing the on the tele recently in a county in the UK. The county cops were getting a hard time for slaping everyone with fines so they have an alternative - when you get pulled over you can etiher get a ticket, or take 10 minutes to go back to the cop car, and then you're shown some pictures of gory road smashes and told about a story how some poor innocent person got killed by a dangerous driver. Result? Those who paid the money felt pissed off and drove off as fast as ever, those who got the lecture felt a bit sheepish and drove off feeling they needed to apply a bit more responsibility to their driving.

[scumdog]

One of lifes mysteries: how much over the speed limit should you be allowed to go before you got a ticket, also what speed do you think the town/open road limit should be?
And how do you think the limit should be controlled, and with what type of penalty?

Meantime I'll continue to rip off the government by refusing to exceed the speed limit etc, instead I'll leave it to you bunch of whingers to pay my share of this so-called 'tax' :innocent:

[scumdog]

Ok so lets call a Taxi then.........get the point Scumdog. Just keep focusing on taking money off the ordinary people while the big crims will do what they like. For example ....lets all walk over the Auckland harbour bridge....Police..No you can't do that...well maybe this time.......... Get a life and try and see what is going on around you and start working on the areas that need it. You and the other public servants just don't get it in the real world do you........ I am pleased I can see you and do not have to put up with the smart comments and shit face looks I get when one of you jumps out of the bushes and takes my money. We the public are not allowed to defend ourselves by punching you in the face so we have to take it..........at the moment........Keep hiding behind the badge :brick: Have a nice day

Nice attempt at a troll Gixxer 4 ever, but just incase it ain't a troll and you ARE a slack-jawed, mouth-breathing, improvident lack-witted oxygen thief I'll answer a couple of your comments: Bad guys get money taken off them too. I do have a life and see a lot more of the 'real world' than most of the 'ordinary people' you mentioned. I don't think you have seen me. You never have had to 'defend' yourself against me. I don't need to 'hide behind the badge', never have, never will. Unlike some who I have to share this planet with I am my own man, fear nobody, have integrity, am honest and I doubt you have ever met me or 'walked a mile in my shoes' Have a nice day yourself. :2thumbsup :msn-wink:

[merv]

One of lifes mysteries: how much over the speed limit should you be allowed to go before you got a ticket, also what speed do you think the town/open road limit should be?
And how do you think the limit should be controlled, and with what type of penalty?

Meantime I'll continue to rip off the government by refusing to exceed the speed limit etc, instead I'll leave it to you bunch of whingers to pay my share of this so-called 'tax' :innocent:

OK as a cop you are going to make me laugh and tell me hand on heart you own motorcycles and have never, and never will, ever exceed the speed limit. (I said this to Spud some time ago as he may remember and he answered honestly). You have dutifully always ridden at 50km/hr in town with your big ol Harley kinda jumping from one fire of a cylinder to the next, or you have it in first gear to keep it smooth. You get to 30km/hr roadworks and down to that speed exactly or less you go. On the open road you have never ever exceeded 100km/hr. You know it is so dangerous, that's how you behave. You jump in the work Commodore or whatever you drive and it never ever exceeds the speed limit unless you have your lights on and are on a job. I am sure if you tell me this is all true I reckon you are pulling my tit or something.

I have followed many a cop on the road in and out of town and have yet to find one that fits this bill. You may be an exception - surprise me. I have ridden with cops on bikes - what do you think I have observed?

What's the point of my post? Simple - we are all normal people and so are you and the law as it stands is an ass. You aren't to blame, you only do your job, but no use trying the moral high ground, few believe it and hence the pressure has come on the politicians and we are starting to see the odd crack in their approach with this instruction for visibility going out.

[scumdog]

OK as a cop you are going to make me laugh and tell me hand on heart you own motorcycles and have never, and never will, ever exceed the speed limit. ll. You may be an exception - surprise me. I have ridden with cops on bikes - what do you think I have observed?

What's the point of my post? Simple - we are all normal people and so are you and the law as it stands is an ass. You aren't to blame, you only do your job, but no use trying the moral high ground, few believe it and hence the pressure has come on the politicians and we are starting to see the odd crack in their approach with this instruction for visibility going out.

Thanks for the 'understanding' Merv, o.k., I'll come clean, I have been guilty of speeding (got a ticket in 1987 to prove it) but I must be 'luckier' than all the whingers 'cos I've not had one since - and I wasn't ALWAYS a cop so don't go thinking I've been getting pinged and showing my 'warrant card'.
Follow me anytime in my 'work' car and except for emergencies etc you'll find I DON'T speed - too many 'ordinary people' just can't wait to call in and say "I saw one of your cops speeding and he's not allowed to" :2thumbsup

[merv]

If I come clean too, surprise, surprise I have had one speeding ticket on a motorcycle in 35 years and that was for speeding in Napier back in December 1973 being caught by a City Council cop as they were in those days. I have never had another ticket on a bike since (how do I maintain that luck?), but I do speed when I feel happy that I can and use my judgement. However, I have had a few tickets in the car my last being last year with a "hidden in the bushes" guy. Daughter calls me, wanting to be picked up late at night in Welly, I head off down the road and he pings me South of Paremata roundabout around 11.45pm quiet road, clear easy visibility, 4 lane road etc etc - totally safe in my view. That is what sluts the public off - the unreasonableness of the Government enforced approach.

I have said before I don't like it, but I'm buggered if I can see a simple way to fix this because it isn't a one size fits all situation so we get laws that allow for the lowest common denominator that piss of the many because of the incompetent actions of the few.

[Kickaha]

. We the public are not allowed to defend ourselves by punching you in the face so we have to take it..........at the moment........Keep hiding behind the badge :brick: Have a nice day


So let me see if I'm getting this right,you think you should be allowed to give a cop a punch in the face to defend yourself because you're dumb enough to break the law?

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Nice attempt at a troll Gixxer 4 ever, Have a nice day yourself. :2thumbsup :msn-wink: :rolleyes: :devil2: :whistle:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

So let me see if I'm getting this right,you think you should be allowed to give a cop a punch in the face to defend yourself because you're dumb enough to break the law?
This depends on their attitude. When you hand over your licence and say yes sir no sir and still get the smart ass comments from them about how tuff it is catching bike riders and how it makes their day you have a reason to want to punch them. :wacko: But if they are nice about it and want to talk about bikes and or just do the basics of their job then no problem. We have a bunch of smart cops over here from Pomy land and they are smart. Not doing the police ,public relations any good. Anyway I have not had to speak to any of them for a while so no big deal. The chip on the shoulder is getting smaller over time. :mellow:

[Timetogo]

......Follow me anytime in my 'work' car and except for emergencies etc you'll find I DON'T speed - too many 'ordinary people' just can't wait to call in and say "I saw one of your cops speeding and he's not allowed to" :2thumbsup

Interesting to note you live in South Otago. I once followed a cop in a car down an often used back road, i sat about 1.5-2 k's back, hopefully far enough back so he wouldn't seem me in his rear vision mirrior. I followed him for a good 30 km's his average speed would have been round 130-140. He certainly didn't pull anone over. That is until he got onto the main road in a small town, mataura in fact THEN he pulled someone over for traveling at what was was probalby more than 50 kph on state highway one. Could got out and punched the f..ker :headbang:
Having lived in scotland now for quite a few years and about to return home i'm dreading the revenue collecting that goes on there. Had many tickets in NZ for speeding obviously, funnily enough i've never had one here and i drive a damn sight faster as does everyone else i guess. Could quote several similar examples, like being pulled for 108 on a nice sunny day, straight road and the only other car on the road was a cop coming the other way about a km away :angry2:

[scumdog]

Be aware Timetogo that all is not as it seems, I'm not saying the incident you saw fits this catagory but I know of incidents where Police have had to intercept motorists with urgent family news (as in BAD news) other times also have had info from the public on bad driving by someone and Police try and 'cut them off' and deal with them.
Quite often it is a case of 'I'll boot it a bit and I should just meet them at XXX before they get to YYY road'.
Not sticking up for those that flout the law while doing their job but more just explaining there may be a logical explanation. :mellow:

[spudchucka]

We the public are not allowed to defend ourselves by punching you in the face so we have to take it..........at the moment........Keep hiding behind the badge :brick: Have a nice day
Next time you're dealing with a cop and you feel like smacking him in the face, why don't you just go right ahead and do it? Knock that smirk off his face! Vent your spleen on the devil. Show him where his place is and treat him like the lowly public servant that he is..................................




I'd love to hear the follow up story to that!

[scumdog]

Next time you're dealing with a cop and you feel like smacking him in the face, why don't you just go right ahead and do it? Knock that smirk off his face! Vent your spleen on the devil. Show him where his place is and treat him like the lowly public servant that he is..................................




I'd love to hear the follow up story to that!

Oh I can just see it (and I have), it's followed up with lots of 'Dr Pepper', more cops and poorly fitting hand-cuffs!! and then it gets REALLY bad!!!
But hey, if you feel justifiede and have had a bad day give it a go!! :msn-wink:

I'm having a few days off to get laid back (Mrs SD helps here) and chill out and have been supping a few Laphoraighs, pity it's so late or I could really get going!! See y'all at the Waikaia Rally (run by M.A.T.E.S.) NEXT weekend!!

[pipeman]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4427&stc=1
If I could only make this bigger ar what the hell just go and buy a paper and read the evidence.
Theres something in our brain telling us our boot is heavy
BE REAL BE HUMAN THE SUN DOES'T SHINE OUT EVERYONE'S :shake:

[spudchucka]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4427&stc=1
If I could only make this bigger ar what the hell just go and buy a paper and read the evidence.
Theres something in our brain telling us our boot is heavy
BE REAL BE HUMAN THE SUN DOES'T SHINE OUT EVERYONE'S :shake:
Now thats just desperation trying to score points with that thing again.

[scumdog]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4427&stc=1
If I could only make this bigger ar what the hell just go and buy a paper and read the evidence.
Theres something in our brain telling us our boot is heavy
BE REAL BE HUMAN THE SUN DOES'T SHINE OUT EVERYONE'S :shake:

Go for it pipeman, loosers and wannabes like you feel a WHOLE lot better when you let fly with this kind of shit!! - let us know what it all means eh?

I guess I'm letting my consumption of fine Scots liquor cloud my judgement but huh, the rest of the population feel it's a valid excuse for venting their spleen!!

Ooops! I'm onto Tullibardine now but I guess that means nothing to a Lion Red driner like you eh?

[pipeman]

Hay the media never lies
this is just evidence
make your own mind up. everone to there own a.

[scumdog]

Hay the media never lies
this is just evidence
make your own mind up. everone to there own a.

It's not a. pipeman, it's eh?

BTW what is 'just evidence?

And yeah, 'everone to there own (or is it 'everyone to their own?), just don't worry about facts and waiting to sift the facts from the hysteria, eh? :whistle:

[pipeman]

Arrest me then I spelled there wrong go on it's not bad enough you have to police the roads now your policing on spelling. One good thing I can say for myself mate is I leave my work at work.

[scumdog]

Arrest me then I spelled there wrong go on it's not bad enough you have to police the roads now your policing on spelling. One good thing I can say for myself mate is I leave my work at work.

Y'know what pipeman? y'know what? I would GLADLY leave my work at work but when I go to motorbike rallies, the pub or any other place the public DON'T let me leave my work at work.
I don't know what you do for work, but every where I go people introduce me by saying "this is scumdog, he's a cop", what chance do you think I have of blending in and being "human"?
Glad to know you have work, hope you don't have any stress etc with it, BTW I spent 20+ years at freezing works, woollen mills, tree pruning etc so I know what the mythical 'real world' is, ok? or should I say 'eh?'.

I'll tell you one thing pipeman, my mates at rallies etc KNOW what I do for a job AND DON'T GIVE A FAT RATS ARSE!! in fact at one 'social event' (motorbike event) I was asked by one of my non-police mates if they could 'smack-down' some loser that was trying to give me a hard time about being a cop but I told him I didn't give a shit and the loser wasn't worth it.

I don't give a shit how you spell words generally but have a go at me end you take your chances matey, - anyway at all!!

[merv]

Can either SD or Spud tell us then what instruction you guys are under with respect to speeding on the job? Are you obliged by your procedures to flick your flashing lights on the minute you need to (or want to) speed, or can you speed no matter what provided you can say you were doing it as a necessity of your work at that moment?

[spudchucka]

Can either SD or Spud tell us then what instruction you guys are under with respect to speeding on the job? Are you obliged by your procedures to flick your flashing lights on the minute you need to (or want to) speed, or can you speed no matter what provided you can say you were doing it as a necessity of your work at that moment?
The only official discrepencies are for speed and traffic lights, stop signs etc. Cops don't have immunity from being charged with a driving offence.

Once you exceed the posted speed limit you are supposed to activate your warning lights and sirens. However there are many times when this is detrimental to the job you are attending. For instance, a burglar is seen breaking into a neighbouring property, the neighbour calls police. Police want to get there as quickly as possible to catch the prick on the property. Its typical to have multiple units descending on the property from all different directions. If they are all displaying lights and sounding sirens the burglar will hear them from miles away and do a runner. The same burglar might have a mate waiting in a car down the road and if he sees a cop he will text his mate to get out of the house. Red & Blue lights can be seen from miles away, especially at night.

There are heaps of other scenarios but I don't have all day to tell stories.

If a cop has a prang there will always be an investigation. If he was speeding and didn't have lights flashing he'll be in the crap. If you get flashed by a speed camera, you'll get the ticket except if you have lights activavted and the speed is reasonable in the circumstances, (its a judgement call). When you get flashed by a camera while responding to a job the proceedure is that you submit a report to the area commander, when he gets the camera ticket he will check your report and if its all correct then the ticket will be waived.

[merv]

Thanks for that Spud, I was wondering with respect to Timetogo's comment about a Cop doing 140.

I take it from what you are saying that unless you are on a job that requires legitimate covert action, then your instructions are to put the flashing lights on.

I must say I laugh at US TV shows and movies where they show the cops as dumbasses all screaming with lights blazing to a spot where they hope to surprise the bad-guy, and generally it results in numerous wrecks as they crash into each other on the way, and surprise surprise, when they get there - nothing.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Next time you're dealing with a cop and you feel like smacking him in the face, why don't you just go right ahead and do it? Knock that smirk off his face! Vent your spleen on the devil. Show him where his place is and treat him like the lowly public servant that he is..................................

I'd love to hear the follow up story to that!

You would love that wouldn't you. I rest my case :bleh:
Nice to see you are still around and actively reading the feelings of people you deal with ever day. Have a nice day officer :lol:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Y'know what pipeman? y'know what? I would GLADLY leave my work at work but when I go to motorbike rallies, the pub or any other place the public DON'T let me leave my work at work. !!


I don't think I ,or most other people here, have a problem with you and Spud as people. See that is the problem with not having face to face contact it is hard to show what is really meant. It is the system you work in and some individuals in that system that are the problem. I have never meet you so how can I like or dislike like you as a person? I can say that I vent here over the system and address it to you as you are implementing the system. So it is when you are introduced as a traffic cop. It is the system that is normally under attack not you as a person. I concede that my complaint is not with you and apologise for the attacks on you two as people. Mind you , you set yourselves up as targets. A good trolling tactic? Hope to meet you at a KB ride some day.

[spudchucka]

I take it from what you are saying that unless you are on a job that requires legitimate covert action, then your instructions are to put the flashing lights on.
The official word is that lights should be activated once the speed limit is exceeded. The reality is that to do the job properly this is sometimes impracticle.

[StoneChucker]

To avoid personal attacks on people, we need to implement something hollywood thought of ages ago... ROBOCOP :laugh: What could possibly go wrong?

Don't worry now Scumdog, spudchucka, etc... your jobs would still be secure, you would just move over to Robocop maintanance.

Did I mention I TRIED to join the police force?

[White trash]

Did I mention I TRIED to join the police force?

Me too. :Police:

[spudchucka]

To avoid personal attacks on people, we need to implement something hollywood thought of ages ago... ROBOCOP :laugh: What could possibly go wrong?
But.........we already have ROBOCOPS.............they call them speed cameras!

[White trash]

To avoid personal attacks on people,

Nup. Fuck that. Spud', Scum' and Dobman. You're all pricks.

I can't stand any of you for doing one of the shittiest, most thankless jobs on Earth. I've only met one of you and had a few brief messages from another but I've made my mind up, all cops are wankers.

You were the first there trying to resuscitate my best mate when he killed himself drunk driving, you were 'round in a shot when the schitso' naibour of The handbrake threatend to "fuck her and the girls up". When my mate got stabbed in the lung in the main street of Dunedin during a stupid fucken fight years ago, you guys were there handing out some "polite" justice before taking the crazy wanker away.

Nah, cops are pricks, I fucken hate 'em all.

[White trash]

Awwwwww, come on Spud and Scum.

That one was 'secially for you guys!

Lou hasn't been around for a while, maybe I need to go to "Disgruntled ex-employees school to learn how to be a proper troller :disapint:

[spudchucka]

I liked it. You sounded really convincing.

[marty]

i liked it too. it was almost flattering, in a crazy drunken mixed up sort of way :)

[marty]

I don't think I ,or most other people here, have a problem with you and Spud as people. See that is the problem with not having face to face contact it is hard to show what is really meant. It is the system you work in and some individuals in that system that are the problem. I have never meet you so how can I like or dislike like you as a person? I can say that I vent here over the system and address it to you as you are implementing the system. So it is when you are introduced as a traffic cop. It is the system that is normally under attack not you as a person. I concede that my complaint is not with you and apologise for the attacks on you two as people. Mind you , you set yourselves up as targets. A good trolling tactic? Hope to meet you at a KB ride some day.
ahh - the issue here is that MOST people can't separate the issue (being a cop) from the person, and all they do is bitch about the ticket they got, the burg that didn't get solved, blah blah blah. why do you think cops (generally) stick together when out riding, drinking, partying, fighting? i infrequently go riding with non-police, as even though i am now an ex, i still get hassled over how quick i ride, or how much road i use etc, and i really can't be fucked with it. the guys (cops) i ride with ride - VFR800 (usually on the back wheel), CB1300 (like he stole it), Duke 900SS (with the LOUDEST pipes you've ever heard), and a ZZR600 (a maniac in a past life). we NEVER hassle each other how fast we ride, and never bitch about the ticket/burg/blah blah. you know, i'd like to one day go on a kb ride, but unless i chose my riding buddies well, i don't think that the person would be separated from the issue.

[Deano]

I liked it. You sounded really convincing.

Not like your avatar spud - "hey hombre, my cousin eees erik estada - you know "Ponch" - looks a bit like MR with long hair"

hahahaha - BTW Canterbury sux

[Deano]

i still get hassled over how quick i ride, or how much road i use etc, andwe NEVER hassle each other how fast we ride, and never bitch about the ticket/burg/blah blah. you know, i'd like to one day go on a kb ride, but unless i chose my riding buddies well, i don't think that the person would be separated from the issue.

Hey, walk it off Marty (not another teen movie) hahahahahhahha

[StoneChucker]

Scumdog, Spud, any other cops, I'm happy to ride with you, regardless of what you do (shit, even that sounded offensive, I meant riding as nothing other than a road, a person and a bike). I don't however, ride with lawyers :D.
Hey, can you guys get me off speeding tickets if I ever get any? ;)

Side note: When I was young, and watching Chips, I though how friggen cool is that. I remember many a day back then (mid/late 80's) riding my push bike, with a piece of cardboard in the spokes (makes what seemed back then like a motorbike noise), pretending I was one of those guys.

And NO, I don't still do that!

[scumdog]

Nup. Fuck that. Spud', Scum' and Dobman. You're all pricks.

I can't stand any of you for doing one of the shittiest, most thankless jobs on Earth. I've only met one of you and had a few brief messages from another but I've made my mind up, all cops are wankers.

You were the first there trying to resuscitate my best mate when he killed himself drunk driving, you were 'round in a shot when the schitso' naibour of The handbrake threatend to "fuck her and the girls up". When my mate got stabbed in the lung in the main street of Dunedin during a stupid fucken fight years ago, you guys were there handing out some "polite" justice before taking the crazy wanker away.

Nah, cops are pricks, I fucken hate 'em all.

Shit!! well if that's what cops do I might give it a go, anything to be hated eh? -shit, I am doing that stuff and I am hated!! ah well, back to the trolling board :msn-wink: