Bike kidnapping for a ransom

[Conquiztador]

Was chatting with a friend last night re bikes (as you do). He has plans of upgrading to a more expensive cruizer bike. We got on to the security problems where we all admit that if they want to take it they do.

His answer was to stop the opportunist by having a decent lock etc on it. But outside that he relies on insurance. I can se his point. But as I tend to personalise my bikes, if someone steals her, they steal a part of me!

So I said that I have always been a big believer in full customising where all parts are so one off that even broken apart the bike will be almost impossible to sell. (Think 120 spoke s/s wheels, one off frame, hand made triple trees, hand made exhaust system, tank, fenders, and list goes on)

He smiled and said that sadly it would work against me as today there is the ones who specialise in Bike Kidnapping. Apperently they steal your bike then contact you and say: "You can have her back for $x thousand".

Phuck it, I commented. I would have a few JD's grab a few mates and make sure they did never kidnap anything again.

He smiled again and told me that they focused on ppl with families and if I was to do something like this my family would suffer. I broke out in could sweat thinking that someone could sink this low, that if I did not pay a ransom for my bike, but beat the shit outta them, they would harm my children!!

Police I said. There is the answer. He again smiled and said: "No. They are not interested".

This now started to sound like a dead end where all us decent bikers were the loosers, so I said: "Hearsay, urban legends"

Once again he smiled (I had by now started to hate his smile...) and said: "Sadly no". Then he told me about his brothers sporty (I know his brother, a very fit guy with more muscles then my family has together). He also named one other here in HB that had been down this track. AND he named the one who had made an art of this.

I had names and facts. OK, so I have not done the research (apart from asking the brother who tells me that the story is true).

I am now sitting here wondering what, if anything, can be done about these azzholes.

Needless to say,the bottom of my enthusiasm for the next project fell out.

[Mountlocal1]

Was chatting with a friend last night re bikes (as you do). He has plans of upgrading to a more expensive cruizer bike. We got on to the security problems where we all admit that if they want to take it they do.

His answer was to stop the opportunist by having a decent lock etc on it. But outside that he relies on insurance. I can se his point. But as I tend to personalise my bikes, if someone steals her, they steal a part of me!

So I said that I have always been a big believer in full customising where all parts are so one off that even broken apart the bike will be almost impossible to sell. (Think 120 spoke s/s wheels, one off frame, hand made triple trees, hand made exhaust system, tank, fenders, and list goes on)

He smiled and said that sadly it would work against me as today there is the ones who specialise in Bike Kidnapping. Apperently they steal your bike then contact you and say: "You can have her back for $x thousand".

Phuck it, I commented. I would have a few JD's grab a few mates and make sure they did never kidnap anything again.

He smiled again and told me that they focused on ppl with families and if I was to do something like this my family would suffer. I broke out in could sweat thinking that someone could sink this low, that if I did not pay a ransom for my bike, but beat the shit outta them, they would harm my children!!

Police I said. There is the answer. He again smiled and said: "No. They are not interested".

This now started to sound like a dead end where all us decent bikers were the loosers, so I said: "Hearsay, urban legends"

Once again he smiled (I had by now started to hate his smile...) and said: "Sadly no". Then he told me about his brothers sporty (I know his brother, a very fit guy with more muscles then my family has together). He also named one other here in HB that had been down this track. AND he named the one who had made an art of this.

I had names and facts. OK, so I have not done the research (apart from asking the brother who tells me that the story is true).

I am now sitting here wondering what, if anything, can be done about these azzholes.

Needless to say,the bottom of my enthusiasm for the next project fell out.

Mite be a little un PC of me but.... Do I hear a shot gun getting loaded??? Its very hard for someone to hurt your family when you hurt them first...:devil2:
PC version..
I had a friend who stored his in a secure lockup facility that was under 24hr surveilance. Also you could fit a GPS to it (hidden somewhere) then call the cops with a location. I know of another guy that had a covered/locked pit in his garage with a bike jack on the bottom that raised and lowered the bike after entering a code.

Just an idea... Theres always a way... The worst thing would be to let the fear of loosing it stopping you building and enjoying it. :niceone:

[Conquiztador]

Mite be a little un PC of me but.... Do I hear a shot gun getting loaded??? Its very hard for someone to hurt your family when you hurt them first...:devil2:
PC version..
I had a friend who stored his in a secure lockup facility that was under 24hr surveilance. Also you could fit a GPS to it (hidden somewhere) then call the cops with a location. I know of another guy that had a covered/locked pit in his garage with a bike jack on the bottom that raised and lowered the bike after entering a code.

Just an idea... Theres always a way... The worst thing would be to let the fear of loosing it stopping you building and enjoying it. :niceone:

Ai, I am not gonna let someone like this stop me. To late now for that. And I know all there is to know re bike security (did my part in an earlier thread re this)

My point was more that I had not even considered the option that someone could kidnap my bike for a ransom... It made me feel powerless. It was to me a totally new angle. (I do find it strange that I had never come across this or even contemplated that someone would do this)

[surfer]

That is super scary stuff to read Conquiztador; I hope it is urban legend.

[Conquiztador]

That is super scary stuff to read Conquiztador; I hope it is urban legend.

Sorry surfer. It is not. I asked my mates brother and he told me it was true, all the way including that the cops were not interested even when they were told where the bike was...

And as I said, I was given full name of one more here in HB who had it done to them, plus full name of one crim that specialises in this.

[Mountlocal1]

Sorry surfer. It is not. I asked my mates brother and he told me it was true, all the way including that the cops were not interested even when they were told where the bike was...

And as I said, I was given full name of one more here in HB who had it done to them, plus full name of one crim that specialises in this.

I guess people are just stooping to lower and lower levels to make a fast buck... These are the sort of people that will knock an 80 yr old lady over on her way home from the supermarket and steal her purse... Pure bottom feeding filth.

[Headbanger]

This has been going on for a long long time, Steal ya gear, ask for some money, If ya refuse or go to the cops they burn it.

What surprises me is how people around here underestimate how bad the bad guys are, They don't give a shit about jail time and there is more of them then you.

A mate of mine had his car taken, He was notified by phone that they had it and wanted 3 grand, He told them to get fucked, 5 minutes later they were in his house, Stabbed him in the gut 5 times with a spike, gang raped and bashed his wife on the bed beside him, raped him, then dragged him under his house to die.

Then they drove off in the car which was found abanded a few days later.

They lived, damaged beyond belief, No one was ever charged, They victim was considered to be an associate of the people involved.

[mitchilin]

This has been going on for a long long time, Steal ya gear, ask for some money, If ya refuse or go to the cops they burn it.

What surprises me is how people around here underestimate how bad the bad guys are, They don't give a shit about jail time and there is more of them then you.

A mate of mine had his car taken, He was notified by phone that they had it and wanted 3 grand, He told them to get fucked, 5 minutes later they were in his house, Stabbed him in the gut 5 times with a spike, gang raped and bashed his wife on the bed beside him, raped him, then dragged him under his house to die.

Then they drove off in the car which was found abanded a few days later.

They lived, damaged beyond belief, No one was ever charged, They victim was considered to be an associate of the people involved.

Now that's scary

[Motu]

Yes it happens,I know a guy who had it happen to him.This guy was a bad arse himself,but had no gang affiliations and was really a great guy under the gruff manner and rough looks.His bike (Triumph he had owned for 20 years) was stolen from his mother's place,and offered back to him.This was personal,face to face with the guy who ran the local chapter of that gang.I spoke to him soon after,and was fucking livid,really blind angry and ready to kill someone,and this guy wouldn't think twice - buy he did.This was a test,any personal retaliation would have painful repercussions,and ongoing...he'd be targeted for a long time.If he went to the police of course they would know who pimped...with the same results.

I got to impress on you that this wasn't a guy to mess with.....but they did.

For me as long as I've owned bike - first step is not to let them know you have a bike.Not many people would know what is in my shed,even my neighbours.A mate of mine goes so far as to load his bike into a van and take it to another place,unload the bike and go for a ride.If you saw this guy you wouldn't mess with him either,but he still takes these extreme precautions.

[NighthawkNZ]

another reason I have a bike nobody else wants...

[jonbuoy]

Fuck that its a lump of metal when all said and done, thats what insurance is for. Wouldn't risk myself or anyone else's safety over it, even after spending 100's of hours on it.

[tri boy]

He smiled again and told me that they focused on ppl with families and if I was to do something like this my family would suffer. I broke out in could sweat thinking that someone could sink this low, that if I did not pay a ransom for my bike, but beat the shit outta them, they would harm my children!!

Police I said. There is the answer. He again smiled and said: "No. They are not interested".




I'm no Coppa, but I think they would be very interested. Extortion, Ranson, Threatening behavior to families.......:Oi:
I think Scummy, Patrick etc would like to make "Acquaintances" with these gents.:devil2::Pokey::Police:

[Conquiztador]

Fuck that its a lump of metal when all said and done, thats what insurance is for. Wouldn't risk myself or anyone else's safety over it, even after spending 100's of hours on it.

You are missing one vital point: You are not given an option: Pay what we demand and you get your bike back. Don't pay and we will get you...

[Conquiztador]

I'm no Coppa, but I think they would be very interested. Extortion, Ranson, Threatening behavior to families.......:Oi:

As mentioned, the police did not want to take any action. Was not told why. But probably of same reason that they do not care about burglaries and car theft I suppose.

But when you consider what the consequences are if you contact the police, would you???

[jonbuoy]

You are missing one vital point: You are not given an option: Pay what we demand and you get your bike back. Don't pay and we will get you...

You mean a protection racket? They could knock on your door and demand money from you - why bother stealing a bike?

[Conquiztador]

You mean a protection racket? They could knock on your door and demand money from you - why bother stealing a bike?

Don't give them ideas...

[deanohit]

You could always get a bike like mine, that ratted, people wouldn't even think of taking it for a joy ride.


Seriously though man, security is the starting point, if they can't steal it, they can't hold you to ransom. Bring on Fort Knox!!

[fireliv]

CAn't live life wondering about the "what if"

If that was the case you wouldnt even by riding your bike for fear of coming of etc.

Do waht make you happy, deal with the shit if it happens

[Storm]

Like fireliv said, dont let someone make you live in fear.
"Better to die on your feet than live on your knees"

[Thunder 8]

Like fireliv said, dont let someone make you live in fear.
"Better to die on your feet than live on your knees"
yea fuckin A. assholes will always be assholes,forget about them and get on with it, oh and police not interested in extortion etc..... hardly ...these sort of stories usually have an element of bullshit in them or not all the facts included.

[Dave-]

if you're truely connected to your steed, it will make its way back to you.

I just have to whistle and my fxr starts up, then rides itself to me.

[gav]

if you're truely connected to your steed, it will make its way back to you.

I just have to whistle and my fxr starts up, then rides itself to me.

Pity ya Aprilia doesn't know that trick......

[Toaster]

People have extorted money from others for centuries. There was a case in the news the other day about dog ransom... the dog was actually called ransom. The cops set up a sting and nabbed the dirty thief when he came for the money.

Bikes would be no different. Another thing to steal... if you can sell it or flog off parts, why not go for a ransom? Plenty of scum out there always looking to make a dishonest buck. Sad world we live in.

[Renegade]

if only it was like america and we had a god given right to defend our property :Police:

[Conquiztador]

if only it was like america and we had a god given right to defend our property :Police:

Fully agree. So many stories about ppl that have done just that and ended up in court.
Can straight away think of a few:
- The idiot who walked in to a gunshop with a knife swinging and wanted to have a gun. Got shot by owners son, who ended up in court...
- The scum up north who were stealing a farmers 4w bike, he shot at them and got one or two. And ended up in court...

Re the cops not wanting to be part of the ransom demands: I can only relay what I have been told by the ones it happened to. But I know from first hand how burglaries are treated...

[little green FXR]

actually had something similat happen the other day myself.
Had my GSXR250 stolen from the Palms Mall, in Christchurch. Made a post on Sportsbike Forum, offering a reward for it if anyone found it, and a member of the forum (who had previously been kicked off Kiwibiker asked what the reward was, and said that he "Knew some people who know some people". not sure if this guy is just a bit of a cock, or knows something about these extertion schemes.
Either way, looks like my next bike will have to be chained up every time, with a couple of razor blades hidden around the throttle and clutch lever.

[Forest]

Fully agree. So many stories about ppl that have done just that and ended up in court.
Can straight away think of a few:
- The idiot who walked in to a gunshop with a knife swinging and wanted to have a gun. Got shot by owners son, who ended up in court...
- The scum up north who were stealing a farmers 4w bike, he shot at them and got one or two. And ended up in court...

Re the cops not wanting to be part of the ransom demands: I can only relay what I have been told by the ones it happened to. But I know from first hand how burglaries are treated...

In both of those cases the shooters went to court ... but were not convicted.

[MSTRS]

In both of those cases the shooters went to court ... but were not convicted.

Yea but, their lives have been ruined. Fucked over by crims, then fucked over by the law when they do something about it.

[Tank]

If it was only a few grand (I guess they want to make it 'easy' for you to pay). I would pay and let them go on their ways.

Then I would get the biggest, meanest, motherfuckers known to man and find the bitch who took my bike and make him pay back double.

Everyone has a point that they think 'this aint worth it' and payback. You just have to be willing to do things they wont.

[Tank]

a variation on the theme - this time steal your own bike and use it for defence:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10473681

[Conquiztador]

a variation on the theme - this time steal your own bike and use it for defence:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10473681

Thats the way to make money. No need to work anymore!!! Kidnap your own bike from your self and pay your self $1K. Do this each week and life will be sweet. Sure, you will make your own life hell and you need to find $1K from somewhere each week. But you don't care as you are OK, you have $1k to spend!!

[avgas]

The rego/wof sitting in my bike right now expired 2005 - i call it police insurance. Cops bust some other schmuck other than me on the bike, do the routine check and hello hello we need to do a background check cos the rego and wof's expired. I carry wof and rego in my wallet.
A friend of the family had his bonnie returned to him after doing this.
I also hear the boy racers do it to their riced up cars.

[avgas]

Either way, looks like my next bike will have to be chained up every time, with a couple of razor blades hidden around the throttle and clutch lever.
Yep or a sparkplug hooked up, sitting in between the tank and seat.
lets see them piss straight after that.

[Conquiztador]

The rego/wof sitting in my bike right now expired 2005 - i call it police insurance. Cops bust some other schmuck other than me on the bike, do the routine check and hello hello we need to do a background check cos the rego and wof's expired. I carry wof and rego in my wallet.
A friend of the family had his bonnie returned to him after doing this.
I also hear the boy racers do it to their riced up cars.

What a phuckin brilliant idea!!!!!!!!!

[Pancakes]

Makes me sick that people threaten family etc, once you have kids the world is a different place. The idea of doing in the bad guys is awesome until you think that they might not care about the prospect who nicked or is holding your bike at all so blowing their head off wouldn't "get to them" like that. Except that you would have then insulted whatever gang they are from and they do take that quite badly.

[Bruiser]

The rego/wof sitting in my bike right now expired 2005 - i call it police insurance. Cops bust some other schmuck other than me on the bike, do the routine check and hello hello we need to do a background check cos the rego and wof's expired. I carry wof and rego in my wallet.
A friend of the family had his bonnie returned to him after doing this.
I also hear the boy racers do it to their riced up cars.

I've been doing the same for 5 years, for two reasons. Firstly some mongrel kept lifting my reg and/or WOF of the harley when parked outside and unwatched, why I have no idea. Now these documents are permanently in my wallet. And secondly its a little insurance if it is pulled over with out-of-date reg and WOF.

It probably wouldn't get the bike back if snatched but it all helps!

[scumdog]

So I said that I have always been a big believer in full customising where all parts are so one off that even broken apart the bike will be almost impossible to sell. (Think 120 spoke s/s wheels, one off frame, hand made triple trees, hand made exhaust system, tank, fenders, and list goes on)

All good - but only ever any good if YOU get to see those parts (or have really good detailed photos) again.

Bits like the above mean nothing to the guys doing a casual search warrant for something else - they may not even know of the bikes theft.

If they're specific aim is to look for you bike or parts then different story but they would need specific i.d. details '120 spoke s/s wheel' alone won't cut it - there are others out there.
120 spoke s/s wheel with 'C' engraved in specific places (or similar) will be a better bet.

[scumdog]

The rego/wof sitting in my bike right now expired 2005 - i call it police insurance. Cops bust some other schmuck other than me on the bike, do the routine check and hello hello we need to do a background check cos the rego and wof's expired. I carry wof and rego in my wallet.
A friend of the family had his bonnie returned to him after doing this.
I also hear the boy racers do it to their riced up cars.

If the cop does a check using the number plate and it IS currently registered and waranted then he very likely might not bother to stop it to check it.

The fact it is DISPALYING expired reg & wof will not exite him too much if a check shows they are both current - and it is current if what you say is true about carrying them in your wallet..

Now if you put a plate from another brand of bike and it has expired reg/wof on it.....

(Of course then you risk being pulled over yourself but a cunning man would have his proper plate velcro'd on over the 'other' plate and remove the proper plate and take it with him when he parked it up - hopefully not in a place where meter-maids abound)

[Conquiztador]

If the cop does a check using the number plate and it IS currently registered and waranted then he very likely might not bother to stop it to check it.

The fact it is DISPALYING expired reg & wof will not exite him too much if a check shows they are both current - and it is current if what you say is true about carrying them in your wallet..

Now if you put a plate from another brand of bike and it has expired reg/wof on it.....

(Of course then you risk being pulled over yourself but a cunning man would have his proper plate velcro'd on over the 'other' plate and remove the proper plate and take it with him when he parked it up - hopefully not in a place where meter-maids abound)

Been there done that. And when the bike disappeared I was thinking: "OK, at least I have the wrong plate and old rego and WOF going for me..."

But sadly it backfired. The cops had taken the bike as it did not display the right plate, rego or WOF...

But this was not so much as a result of my pre-planning. It was a bike that had no rego, plate or WOF and I had fitted some old ones I had lying around as a temporary measure until I got the bike road legal.

But I would probably not risk having the bike be taken by the cops and have to track down there to retrieve it. A hassle. And could be expensive...

[Conquiztador]

actually had something similat happen the other day myself.
Had my GSXR250 stolen from the Palms Mall, in Christchurch. Made a post on Sportsbike Forum, offering a reward for it if anyone found it, and a member of the forum (who had previously been kicked off Kiwibiker asked what the reward was, and said that he "Knew some people who know some people". not sure if this guy is just a bit of a cock, or knows something about these extertion schemes.


Any further developments??

[Conquiztador]

All good - but only ever any good if YOU get to see those parts (or have really good detailed photos) again.

Bits like the above mean nothing to the guys doing a casual search warrant for something else - they may not even know of the bikes theft.

If they're specific aim is to look for you bike or parts then different story but they would need specific i.d. details '120 spoke s/s wheel' alone won't cut it - there are others out there.
120 spoke s/s wheel with 'C' engraved in specific places (or similar) will be a better bet.

In a small place like NZ there is only so many 120 spoke s/s s/h wheels around. And the guys who would put something like that on their bike are counted on two hands. Why would you fit it? To stand out from the crowd, to show off at a show. Would be only a matter of minutes after you have first time shown off when someone say: "Hey, I know a guy that had a set of those ripped off..."

So the re-sale value of the bits drops. Sure, the bits can be shipped overseas. But for the average lowlife this is not an option. Too much hassle.

It is not a solution. But all helps. (And I like to show off too...lol)

But as I mentioned, in the kidnapping version it actually makes things even worse and they can ask for more $$'s...

[avgas]

If the cop does a check using the number plate and it IS currently registered and waranted then he very likely might not bother to stop it to check it.

The fact it is DISPALYING expired reg & wof will not exite him too much if a check shows they are both current - and it is current if what you say is true about carrying them in your wallet..
I dont really think i will have that problem, i seem to get a REGO/WOF check every few months or so. Its kinda like the cops up here saying "Lucky S-O-B, i didnt have my radar on"

[skidMark]

This has been going on for a long long time, Steal ya gear, ask for some money, If ya refuse or go to the cops they burn it.

What surprises me is how people around here underestimate how bad the bad guys are, They don't give a shit about jail time and there is more of them then you.

A mate of mine had his car taken, He was notified by phone that they had it and wanted 3 grand, He told them to get fucked, 5 minutes later they were in his house, Stabbed him in the gut 5 times with a spike, gang raped and bashed his wife on the bed beside him, raped him, then dragged him under his house to die.

Then they drove off in the car which was found abanded a few days later.

They lived, damaged beyond belief, No one was ever charged, They victim was considered to be an associate of the people involved.

jesus christ.

[Lias]

jesus christ.

So I'm guessing your mother hadnt told you the story of your conception before that post.. Kinda of a shock to find out where you come from ay? :clap:

[Pancakes]

To incinuate that someone is a child of gang rape is just crass and tasteless. Get a joke book if you need some help or ideas. Red rep coming your way, just in time for christmas. Don't spout the "open forum" crap either, there's jokes and there's plain disgusting. If you think rape is funny I'd really like to meet you. If you just tried to make a joke and your mantal capacity is just all outta whack please take your pills and apologise to Mark.

[Motu]

In a small place like NZ there is only so many .

Back in the mid '70's we painted a mates Triumph green.It was a dare because green is unlucky y'know.I got to choose the colour - Kelly Green,and I sprayed everything.Wheels,tyres,exhausts,engine - the only things I didn't paint were the lights and his apehangers....he was working for an electroplater at the time and there was a lot of chrome on the bike,the bars were his latest addition.

The bike was never stolen,but for years we'd find Triumph parts with a bit of green on them somewhere.Obviously it was stripped for parts,and they were easy to recognise.That may sound a tall tale to some,but you know me now eh?

[Conquiztador]

Back in the mid '70's we painted a mates Triumph green.It was a dare because green is unlucky y'know.I got to choose the colour - Kelly Green,and I sprayed everything.Wheels,tyres,exhausts,engine - the only things I didn't paint were the lights and his apehangers....he was working for an electroplater at the time and there was a lot of chrome on the bike,the bars were his latest addition.

The bike was never stolen,but for years we'd find Triumph parts with a bit of green on them somewhere.Obviously it was stripped for parts,and they were easy to recognise.That may sound a tall tale to some,but you know me now eh?

Lol. With mates like you who needs enemies eh??

[Lias]

To incinuate that someone is a child of gang rape is just crass and tasteless. Get a joke book if you need some help or ideas. Red rep coming your way, just in time for christmas. Don't spout the "open forum" crap either, there's jokes and there's plain disgusting. If you think rape is funny I'd really like to meet you. If you just tried to make a joke and your mantal capacity is just all outta whack please take your pills and apologise to Mark.

And here was I thinking Skidmark was the biggest dickhead I'd seen posting on KB lately.

No topic is too sacred to make jokes about.. rape.. child abuse.. war.. death.. disaster victims.. world cup defeats.. jokes about all of those and more have been posted in the jokes forum. Get off your high horse simply because I chose to take a swipe at skidmark with some humour that offends you. If you don't like it, feel free to storm off in a huff to another forum as so many other candidates for hardening the fuck up have done lately..

[Pancakes]

Still waiting for your "joke". Aren't jokes funny? Oh yeah, this chick got gang raped! fuckin classic bro! thats a good one, can't wait to tell it to my mum!!

Say what you like, thats me done.