Guy Fawkes

[Big Dan]

As Guy Fawkes is fast approaching just want to take this chance to remind those letting off fireworks to be careful and do it safely

one question i have for KB is do the members really know what we are celebrating and the story behind guy fawkes

[nodrog]

As Guy Fawkes is fast approaching just want to take this chance to remind those letting off fireworks to be careful and do it safely

one question i have for KB is do the members really know what we are celebrating and the story behind guy fawkes

some dude somwhere tried to blow up some parliment building, i believe his name was somthing Fawkes?

[Big Dan]

some dude somwhere tried to blow up some parliment building, i believe his name was somthing Fawkes?

you are right his name was indeed Guy Fawkes and he was in the act of blowing up goverment but got caught so it makes me wonder all theses years since his act and considering its been a few years since 911 why are we still celerbrating Guy Fawkes's act of terrorism

[EJK]

Wanna.... blow something up? hehehehe

Can we fire while riding a bike? just curious :rolleyes:

[Stickchick]

you are right his name was indeed Guy Fawkes and he was in the act of blowing up goverment but got caught so it makes me wonder all theses years since his act and considering its been a few years since 911 why are we still celerbrating Guy Fawkes's act of terrorism

Because people have forgotten/or just don't know the meaning behind it. All they think know its a good time to let fireworks off, get drunk and cause havoc.

[nodrog]

.....so it makes me wonder all theses years since his act and considering its been a few years since 911 why are we still celerbrating Guy Fawkes's act of terrorism

because it would be politically incorrect to celebrate osama bin-laden blowing up the twin towers?

[Virago]

...why are we still celerbrating Guy Fawkes's act of terrorism

We don't. We celebrate the fact that he failed.

[Big Dan]

We don't. We celebrate the fact that he failed.

that could also be true

[Big Dan]

that could also be true

this is the man is question

[007XX]

I normally like to know where the holiday comes from...but in this instance, I just like things that go:

kabooooommm... :clap: :woohoo:

Brings a huge smile on my and my son's face. As long as it is done responsibly, no trouble with it. But once again, a few chosen dicks will ruin for everyone else by being irresponsible...:argh:

[Big Dan]

I normally like to know where the holiday comes from...but in this instance, I just like things that go:

kabooooommm... :clap: :woohoo:

Brings a huge smile on my and my son's face. As long as it is done responsibly, no trouble with it. But once again, a few chosen dicks will ruin for everyone else by being irresponsible...:argh:

i think the thing that puts the smile on your sons face is the fact that hes got a great mum

[Luckylegs]

because it would be politically incorrect to celebrate osama bin-laden blowing up the twin towers?

And really really expensive :whistle:

[007XX]

i think the thing that puts the smile on your sons face is the fact that hes got a great mum

Oh you smooth talker you!;)... Right about now, your own Mum probably would say something like: "what do you want?" with a suspicious look on her face, right? :laugh:

*appreciate the compliment however, if it was genuinely meant...:yes:*

[Big Dan]

Oh you smooth talker you!;)... Right about now, your own Mum probably would say something like: "what do you want?" with a suspicious look on her face, right? :laugh:

*appreciate the compliment however, if it was genuinely meant...:yes:*

your right and i want nothing sweet cheeks and i did genuinely mean it

[007XX]

your right and i want nothing sweet cheeks and i did genuinely mean it

Aaaawwww...:hug: cheers mate, that's really nice! :sunny:

Now, back on topic...

When I was about 10, our school organised a trip to a mining facility. The big "O" was going to witness an explosion engineered to reveal more of the metal those guys were after...

I can still remember feeling the excitement as the earth shook under our feet :woohoo: and actually felt the impact through our body! It was just incredible...:headbang:

Also can remember the other little girls squealing in fright, and me screaming: "do it again, do it again..."

:laugh:

[James Deuce]

you are right his name was indeed Guy Fawkes and he was in the act of blowing up goverment but got caught so it makes me wonder all theses years since his act and considering its been a few years since 911 why are we still celerbrating Guy Fawkes's act of terrorism

We're celebrating catching the Italian mercenary and him being foiled in his attempt to blow up Parliament as a result of being nabbed. Sheesh.

[Flatcap]

It has lost all attraction since they banned the really big crackers.

I remember Thunder Crackers back in the 70s - Guy Fawkes was fun then.

Now it is a waste of time.

[Big Dan]

Aaaawwww...:hug: cheers mate, that's really nice! :sunny:

Now, back on topic...

When I was about 10, our school organised a trip to a mining facility. The big "O" was going to witness an explosion engineered to reveal more of the metal those guys were after...

I can still remember feeling the excitement as the earth shook under our feet :woohoo: and actually felt the impact through our body! It was just incredible...:headbang:

Also can remember the other little girls squealing in fright, and me screaming: "do it again, do it again..."

:laugh:

yeah back to topic but your welcome to a coffee at my place if ya want :) :hug:

my birthday is the day after guy fawkes and i always think that the country was having one big party for MY birthday i kinda felt speical

[Swoop]

I have gone for the "Yes" vote as it is a part of history that means more than your "usual" celebration and also one that you do not get a day off work for.

According to Billy Connelly on his tour; Prior to being killed, G. Fawkes was tied to the main bell in the Big Ben tower. His genitals were strategically placed where the striking hammer of the bell would fall... This hammer is quite large... About the size of an anvil... Then everyone waited for 12 o'clock.:doh:

[007XX]

It has lost all attraction since they banned the really big crackers.

I remember Thunder Crackers back in the 70s - Guy Fawkes was fun then.

Now it is a waste of time.

Hmmm..one does wonder about some chinese underground markets where you can still get some fairly good ones...:innocent: :whistle:

But yeah, the pc BS on this is incredible...soon, you won't be able to fart before havign some suit following you around with a noise/methane gage! :mad:


yeah back to topic but your welcome to a coffee at my place if ya want :) :hug:

my birthday is the day after guy fawkes and i always think that the country was having one big party for MY birthday i kinda felt speical

Cheers matey...Hubby and i are likely to be moving house at that time however as it looks like we might have finally secured a nice rental! :2thumbsup


And yes, of course you're special...just don't get on board any short buses with tinted windows, allright? :laugh:

[Big Dan]

Hmmm..one does wonder about some chinese underground markets where you can still get some fairly good ones...:innocent: :whistle:

But yeah, the pc BS on this is incredible...soon, you won't be able to fart before havign some suit following you around with a noise/methane gage! :mad:



Cheers matey...Hubby and i are likely to be moving house at that time however as it looks like we might have finally secured a nice rental! :2thumbsup


And yes, of course you're special...just don't get on board any short buses with tinted windows, allright? :laugh:

still on the shore

[Griff]

Bonfire night has got fuck all to do with Guy Fawkes!

If it did then we would celibrate by blowing up buildings.

A bonfire with a bloke tied to the top comes from the Pagans.
It was a sacrifice to warm up the sun for next year's crops. (Wicker Man).
The Church were so unsuccessful in stopping the practice, so they highjacked it.

[Tank]

We dont celebrate as such - but do throw a bloody good party. All the neighbours come to our house - the girls do the spa pool thing, the guys cook meat with fire, drink beer and blow shit up thing.

Last year we also had go-kart races!

This year we are doubling the wine and firework budget (hoping to get some serious pyro's)- its going to be a good night.

As an aside - my old boss from SwissBank lives in the building where Guy hatched his devious plot - very, very cool.

[gijoe1313]

Always good to be delving back into the ol'boom box o'fun! Must be the asian in me that always enjoys a good old "light the blue touch paper" and run like heck!

I guess in future, it'll all be done via holographic projectors and laser light show :mellow:

But for now, the smell of cordite and frangible incendaries will keep me in pyromaniac delight! :drool: :eek5 :woohoo:

Poor animals, will always be a bad time of year for them...

[idb]

Because people have forgotten/or just don't know the meaning behind it. All they think know its a good time to let fireworks off, get drunk and cause havoc.

I am those people!

[fireball]

its my excuse to play with fire, mates by my side with bucket of water first aid kit and cell phone, just to see if i can make the bang any louder last year had a few good ones (and a few destroyed soft toys)

things that go bang are fun! bring back tom thumbs!

[Big Dan]

i for one can't afford and don't see the need to watch my hard earned money go up in smoke

[sunhuntin]

We don't. We celebrate the fact that he failed.

next year we will have a new holiday celebrating the failure of tame iti terrorist plots

:jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry:

[RC1]

miss the good old days with thunderbolts and double happys :banana:

[car]

your right and i want nothing sweet cheeks and i did genuinely mean it

Oh, get a room!

(Or, failing that, a chemical toilet.)

[Griff]

next year we will have a new holiday celebrating the failure of tame iti terrorist plots

:jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry:

How do you suggest we celibrate that?

Do we celibrate the act or the capture?

[boostin]

miss the good old days with thunderbolts and double happys :banana:

I vote bring back double happys, tom thumbs, and sky rockets...

[Tank]

next year we will have a new holiday celebrating the failure of tame iti terrorist plots

:jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry:


How do you suggest we celebrate that?


Everyone gets to let napalm bombs off out the back of the whanu's shack.

[Wolf]

Remember, Remember the 5th of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.

[jrandom]

Homemade blackpowder-based devices can be extremely rewarding.

[Mikkel]

Remember, Remember the 5th of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.

About to post exactly that.

Oh, and I do indeed recommend the movie "V". It is rather entertaining. :2thumbsup

[007XX]

About to post exactly that.

Oh, and I do indeed recommend the movie "V". It is rather entertaining. :2thumbsup

Wasn't that a TV series in the early 90's? :confused: If that's the one, my favourite moment is when the really hot brunette swallows a whole rat, and you can see it going down in her throat...:clap:

[Wolf]

Wasn't that a TV series in the early 90's? :confused: If that's the one, my favourite moment is when the really hot brunette swallows a whole rat, and you can see it going down in her throat...:clap:
Nope, different thing entirely.

[Skyryder]

As Guy Fawkes is fast approaching just want to take this chance to remind those letting off fireworks to be careful and do it safely

one question i have for KB is do the members really know what we are celebrating and the story behind guy fawkes

Yep I do. We would all be saying our Hail Marys if he had of succeeded.

I think the kids today are more interested in that gross American thing called halloween. Like treat or treat how can that comepete with a good ol' burning of the guy and the fireworks display. If they ever ban fireworks I'm starting a pettition to ban pumpkins.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

I vote bring back double happys, tom thumbs, and sky rockets...

Yea me too. I use to like those big ones with the stiff wick. God almight did they go off. (i should rephase that but what the fuck) That too :girlfight:

Nothing like a big bang :beer: shit that too. :beer: more beer.

Skyryder

[ynot slow]

I vote bring back double happys, tom thumbs, and sky rockets...

Shit yeah,double happy's and cow shit,what fun. Especially when the fuse stops about 2mm from igniting,and the local slow kid,goes to relight,gets about 1/2 a mtr away and covers himself in crap.

Had a mate whose older brother did some weird stuff,join a few tom thumbs together for bigger bang,same with double happy's,then tie to a frog or some other small rodent.

We used to tie sky rockets to an arrow and light fuse wait,and fire into sky,extra lift sent them many feet into the air,just as well the tips of arrows were removed and taped up as we used semi broken arrows.

Seem to remember though if we did anything stupid the parents would put us back into line,one guy threw a tom thumb at his mum,she took all his crackers and said fuck you this year,your mates can come and you won't be able to use any of yours,they can let them off.Sure as shit pissed him off as a 11 yr old,next year he was fine with the rules.Mind you he was a bit slow at times.

[007XX]

Nope, different thing entirely.

Oh okay...sorry then!:Oops:

[steveb64]

Aaaawwww...:hug: cheers mate, that's really nice! :sunny:

Now, back on topic...

When I was about 10, our school organised a trip to a mining facility. The big "O" was going to witness an explosion engineered to reveal more of the metal those guys were after...

I can still remember feeling the excitement as the earth shook under our feet :woohoo: and actually felt the impact through our body! It was just incredible...:headbang:

Also can remember the other little girls squealing in fright, and me screaming: "do it again, do it again..."

:laugh:

I remember taking half a day off when in the 6th form, to go to an agricultural explosives training course, put on by ICI. Cool. Got to watch all sorts of different types of explosive being set off, with suitable shockwaves...

And what's the best banging firework (and DON'T say your S.O!) that you know of... mine was ('cos they're not allowed to sell them this year) a multi shot thing called "Stu's Revenge". The differnce between them, and the next loudest (still pretty loud) was like the difference between a .22 and a 12 gauge shotgun (or a small cannon!). :woohoo:

If any WR riders are lookin for loud fireworks, checkout the guy selling them outside the Yamaha shop on Port Rd.:headbang:

[steveb64]

While I love blowing stuff up, I don't 'celebrate' Guy Fawkes (what is there to celebrate?) and wish the Gummint would ban it. Apart from all the injuries and property destruction it would prevent, it would also save the country mega-oodles on the imported fireworks that go up in flames every year.
I might be in favour of celebrating something like New Zealand Day or whatever with fireworks, but it'd have to be a mid-winter thing to lower the fire risk. Our house is very close to a bush reserve, and I'm waiting for the day when one of our stupid neighbours sets the thing alight.

Yep. I've had that thought too. The other benefit of doing it mid-winter, is that the kiddies get to do the fireworks, without having to stay up so late...

[steveb64]

Homemade blackpowder-based devices can be extremely rewarding.

Link: http://www.skylighter.com/

[steveb64]

Shit yeah,double happy's and cow shit,what fun. Especially when the fuse stops about 2mm from igniting,and the local slow kid,goes to relight,gets about 1/2 a mtr away and covers himself in crap.

Had a mate whose older brother did some weird stuff,join a few tom thumbs together for bigger bang,same with double happy's,then tie to a frog or some other small rodent.

We used to tie sky rockets to an arrow and light fuse wait,and fire into sky,extra lift sent them many feet into the air,just as well the tips of arrows were removed and taped up as we used semi broken arrows.

Seem to remember though if we did anything stupid the parents would put us back into line,one guy threw a tom thumb at his mum,she took all his crackers and said fuck you this year,your mates can come and you won't be able to use any of yours,they can let them off.Sure as shit pissed him off as a 11 yr old,next year he was fine with the rules.Mind you he was a bit slow at times.

I was in a hostel for high school (not by choice, or affluence - bus run ended 10 miles short of home - bit too far to walk) - and a bunch of us were talking to the hostel manager one afternoon, when one guy pulled out a double happy, and said "What would happen if I set this off?" - manager made some dire threat (too longa go to remember what...) - then another of the guys pulled out a lighter - and boys being boys - lit it - boys still being boys - the one with the double happy started waving it around near the flame... You can guess what happened... :shit: ...Funniest thing was watching the guy with the double happy trying to pinch the fuse out - burning his fingers, then dropping it in the managers office... Boys running in all directions... :shit: :shit: :shit: At least the manager saw the funny side of it...

[0arbreaka]

I for one love fireworks and anything that makes a bang. Anyone got some explosives for sale? even some det cord?

[Skyryder]

Always use to have a fire down on the beach with fireworks and whitebait fritters.

[MaxB]

As a kid the Gunpowder plot was the only thing that made me pay attention in history class. AFAIK It was a Catholic plot to assassinate the Protestant King James I (or VI) and as many supporters/MPs as they could.
Guy Fawkes was a Yorkshireman and soldier who fought in Catholic armies overseas before returning to England. He was caught after a Catholic MP; Lord Monteagle suspected something was happening when he got a warning letter from one of the plotters. That led to the discovery of the barrels under Parliament and the arrest of GF. He was then tortured into confession, tried then hung, drawn and quartered. But he snapped his own neck before the drawing bit to save himself a lot of pain.

The bonfire is part of the ritual burning of an effigy of the 'Guy' on a fire and the fireworks are meant to celebrate the saving of the King and democracy. Hmm?

I have both Pr and RC sides in my family and we all celebrate together. Screw the PC brigade, I want my fireworks and the right to set them off on my property. Plus my kids learn about fireworks in a safe and controlled manner.

So I voted yes.

[cynna]

nz has its own version of guy fawkes. about 29 years ago neil roberts blew himself up on his way to destroy the wanganui police computer. he didnt quite make it...

[Wolf]

Max, pretty much all correct except the bonfires and burning effigies were around long before the Gunpowder plot. They are said to be hanger's on from old pagan festivals and The Powers That Be used the Guy Fawkes celebration, with it's (relatively) safe letting off of fireworks, to absorb the pagan festivities into something "respectable".

Guy "Guido" Fawkes was hanged, not burned. He was supposed to be hanged, drawn and quartered for the crime of Treason (hanged until nearly dead, cut down, revived and then emasculated and had his guts pulled out and burned in front of him then beheaded and his torso cut in quarters for displaying around the country).

However, he deliberately jumped before they could hang him and snapped his neck, killing himself instantly, so he was spared the rest of his planned prolonged death.

One of his fellow conspirators also tried jumping but the rope broke and they took him straight to the drawing and quartering bit.

[007XX]

I remember taking half a day off when in the 6th form, to go to an agricultural explosives training course, put on by ICI. Cool. Got to watch all sorts of different types of explosive being set off, with suitable shockwaves...

And what's the best banging firework (and DON'T say your S.O!) that you know of... mine was ('cos they're not allowed to sell them this year) a multi shot thing called "Stu's Revenge". The differnce between them, and the next loudest (still pretty loud) was like the difference between a .22 and a 12 gauge shotgun (or a small cannon!). :woohoo:

If any WR riders are lookin for loud fireworks, checkout the guy selling them outside the Yamaha shop on Port Rd.:headbang:

What's S.O...and also, got to admit I haven't found any in NZ that were outstanding! :no:

Too heavily regulated and PCd to death....:angry2:

[Ocean1]

A bonfire with a bloke tied to the top comes from the Pagans.
It was a sacrifice to warm up the sun for next year's crops. (Wicker Man).
The Church were so unsuccessful in stopping the practice, so they highjacked it.


Max, pretty much all correct except the bonfires and burning effigies were around long before the Gunpowder plot. They are said to be hanger's on from old pagan festivals and The Powers That Be used the Guy Fawkes celebration, with it's (relatively) safe letting off of fireworks, to absorb the pagan festivities into something "respectable".


They hijacked quite a few heathen celebrations, quite successfully, as evidenced by the general ignorance of the original versions.

Anyone researched the source of most of our nursery rhymes? Most of them are tutorial mnemonics, you might be surprised how unsuitable for young ears they are.


What's S.O...and also, got to admit I haven't found any in NZ that were outstanding! :no:

Too heavily regulated and PCd to death....:angry2:

Significant Other.

And yes, bring back motal danger, the gene pool is deteriorating rapidly.

[Daffyd]

I bloody hate it! I, too live on the edge of a rainforest and dread the thought of it going up in smoke.
Also, I have two dogs who are terrified of fireworks.

[cynna]

(hanged until nearly dead, cut down, revived and then emasculated and had his guts pulled out and burned in front of him then beheaded and his torso cut in quarters for displaying around the country)..

we should bring that back in as a punishment to get deter the thieving scum that get away way too lightly

[Wolf]

we should bring that back in as a punishment to get deter the thieving scum that get away way too lightly
So I can count on you when I make my bid to take over? How's your shooting?

[MaxB]

Max, pretty much all correct except the bonfires and burning effigies were around long before the Gunpowder plot. They are said to be hanger's on from old pagan festivals and The Powers That Be used the Guy Fawkes celebration, with it's (relatively) safe letting off of fireworks, to absorb the pagan festivities into something "respectable".

Guy "Guido" Fawkes was hanged, not burned. He was supposed to be hanged, drawn and quartered for the crime of Treason (hanged until nearly dead, cut down, revived and then emasculated and had his guts pulled out and burned in front of him then beheaded and his torso cut in quarters for displaying around the country).

However, he deliberately jumped before they could hang him and snapped his neck, killing himself instantly, so he was spared the rest of his planned prolonged death.

One of his fellow conspirators also tried jumping but the rope broke and they took him straight to the drawing and quartering bit.

Was a bit blurry last night.

One thing I can't seem to find is what happened to GF after his neck broke. Some say they went ahead with the drawing and quartering process in any case in order to carry out the sentence handed down and others say the body was released to the family. But he was a traitor. So would they?

I asked around at the fireworks party tonight but no-one seems to know

[Wolf]

One thing I can't seem to find is what happened to GF after his neck broke. Some say they went ahead with the drawing and quartering process in any case in order to carry out the sentence handed down and others say the body was released to the family. But he was a traitor. So would they?
I don't know either.

I know that once he snapped his neck he was beyond feeling anything else they decided to mete out (unlike his less fortunate fellow conspirators) but I don't know if they stopped there or continued.

I doubt there would be a lot of entertainment value in emasculating and drawing him whilst dead so far as the public execution went. Nothing to stop them from doing it, of course, so that the letter of the law was carried out.

As to the beheading and quartering, they still could have done that to display his bits as a warning to other would-be traitors.

Would you hand the body back to those who might seek to display him as a martyr?

[Daffyd]

Watched a very interesting doco on the Doco channel this arvo... Presented by Richard Hammond (Top Gear).
They recreated the Parliament buildings at an army exercise area, filled it with crash test dummies, and tracked down a metric tonne of gunpowder, put it in wooden barrels identical to those used by GF, and blew the guts out of it.
Result: If the plot had gone ahead, there would have been NO survivors.

He did say that King James ordred bonfires be lit to celebrate the uncovering of the plot.

[kiwifruit]

^ i saw that last night, impressive stuff! Great photography as well


btw:
i dislike fireworks, ban them i say.

[Big Dan]

Well i just got home from work and noticed two fire trucks heading down New North Rd towards Mt Albert ad it got me thinking.

The emergnacy services will be rushed off their feet tonight as tonight is the night where it seems like WW3 has broken out around the country.

So pay a thought for them and be careful and use fireworks safely keep a hose or bucket of water handy. Please look after your pets and kids. Have a great night

Thank you advance to the Fire,Ambulance and Police for their hard work tonight may you have a quiet night(wishful thinking) Take care and be safe

Big Dan