The Police F*#k up AGAIN

[igor]

since u guys like bagging the Poice so much, ya may as well blame them for this to. On a more serious note this SUCKS :angry2:
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Community work term for u-turn death driver

22.10.2004
By LOUISA CLEAVE
Engineering student James Stampa only ever wanted to design high-performance vehicles.

While he studied for the necessary degrees to achieve his ambition, the 20-year-old also worked hard to own them.

His last purchase was a 600cc Honda motorbike and he was so thrilled with his new bike, his mother recalls, that he gave her a rare kiss the night before he died.

"We were in the kitchen talking and James told us his bike was the best thing he'd ever owned, even better than his stereo, and he was so happy I even got a kiss," said Sam Fuller-Stampa.

"When he was a little boy hugs and kisses were abundant, but as he became older they became rationed, and being so tall - James was about 1.9m - I couldn't sneak them so I had to bribe him."

The following day James was taking friend Joe Griffiths for a ride on the motorbike during their lunch break at Auckland University when a vehicle made a u-turn in front of him in Symonds St, central Auckland. He braked heavily but could not stop in time, and collided with the car.

James' sister Holly was just leaving one of her own university classes and walked into the middle of the accident scene. She had to phone their parents with the devastating news that he was dead.

Student Bo Cong pleaded guilty to careless driving causing the death of James and injuring Joe, who recently turned 21 and still suffers from a leg injury suffered in the March 25 crash.

Cong, who came from China in January 2001, pleaded not guilty to driving while forbidden. He said he did not understand the meaning of a ticket he was issued two months before the crash for failing to produce a New Zealand driver's licence.

Judge Simon Lockhart, QC, found Cong not guilty of driving while forbidden to drive. He said there was a possibility Cong did not know what "forbidden" meant because of his limited English.

Yesterday Cong was sentenced to 250 hours' community work and disqualified from driving for two years.

Mrs Fuller-Stampa described the sentence as "a load of garbage" but she did not think a prison sentence would have served any use.

The family still grieved for their son and brother, she said.

James was in his third year of a degree in mechanical engineering and had started to make inquiries in Europe, Asia and America about studying aerodynamics - the next step in his path to becoming a designer of high-performance cars.

Mrs Fuller-Stampa said James worked part-time jobs from age 15 to buy cars and motorbikes. The aim was to cash up his assets eventually and pay for his overseas education.

His other passion in life was big game fishing, and his 1996 national junior record for a 71kg mako shark caught on a 8kg tackle still stands, said Mrs Fuller-Stampa.

James spent holidays with his grandparents in the Bay of Islands and his grandfather, Snooks Fuller, who began the Fuller ferry company, introduced him to fishing.

Over the years James caught eight marlin, which he tagged and released, and enjoyed his last big- game fishing expedition with his grandfather on a Fiji holiday to celebrate his 20th birthday.
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and while we are bitching about our knowledgable sentencing ones - compulsiry steralization should of been carried out at conviction 1.

Poor health saves fraudster from jail

21.10.2004 2.00 pm

A Rotorua mother of eight with more than 40 previous dishonesty convictions has escaped going to jail because of her ill health.

Maru Teremoana Karika, 36, beneficiary, admitted eight charges of fraudulently using a document and three of attempted fraud.

Ms Karika was one of two women who used a dead man's cheques, made out for amounts totalling $23,000, to top up a Warehouse credit card between August 29 and September 10 last year.

Judge Phillip Cooper told Rotorua District Court Karika had 43 previous convictions for dishonesty and was jailed two years in 2001 for some of those offences.

She was on parole when she committed the latest fraud offences.

However, it was not appropriate to send Ms Karika to jail primarily because she had a serious illness and it was not known if she required more surgery.

He noted Ms Karika was also pregnant.

He sentenced her to 200 hours' community work and said a final prison warning would be put on her record.

Ms Karika's associate was sentenced to 120 hours' community work last month.

[badlieutenant]

dude that doesnt make me angry at the police, just sad for this guys family. He sounded like a top bloke, what a loss. And do we like bagging the police here ? thats Lou :d The police have nothing to do with this case, if we're lucky they may have knocked him around with the auckland yellow pages.
just really sad............. :weep:

[Hoon]

Ummm dude....sentencing has nothing to do with the Police.

[James Deuce]

Ummm dude....sentencing has nothing to do with the Police.
Thank you Hoon.

THe thing we have to bear in mind (despite what I said in the other thread) is that judges are constrained by law and precedent to a greater extent than the Police are constrained by what charge they can apply. I am sure that the Policeman who charged the little creep charged him with what he thought was most likely to garner a conviction.

The whole thing still stinks though, and it wouldn't surprise me to find that the perp or his family have made a large anonymous donation to a charity of some sort.

I don't think I would remain a free man for very long if something like that happened to one of my boys and the perp effectively got away with it.

[igor]

Ummm dude....sentencing has nothing to do with the Police.

wake up, all the Police bashers will tell ya if the cops had of spoken Mandarin or Cantonese or got a interpreter down then this would not have happened. Said Asain student would of understood fully he was not to drive and this boy would still be alive.

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I see in the NZ herald today the Police have finally woken up and taken the right tact ovcer the girl missin in Piha. They receive 1.5 million calls a year. thats 4109 a day and 171 an hour, thats an average of course.

So if everyone stopped wasting there time with crap/crank/pissed calls they might be able to deal with the real ones. I am sure u have all heard of the story of the boy who called wolf.

yeah they got it wromg and it is sad But but but, would she of still been there after 30 mins to get to Piha. I suspect not.

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[igor]

Ummm dude....sentencing has nothing to do with the Police.

for those who are a bit slow on the uptake I am taking the Piss out of the know alls. Its called sarcasm.

[James Deuce]

for those who are a bit slow on the uptake I am taking the Piss out of the know alls. Its called sarcasm.
I think, "You're a dick" sums it up nicely. Note the correct use of "You're" in this context, a conjunction of "you" and "are".

[igor]

I think, "You're a dick" sums it up nicely. Note the correct use of "You're" in this context, a conjunction of "you" and "are".

yip i am being a dick, but i am not nearly a bigger dick as some of the dicks that post here

but hopefully my message may get thru, but i doubt it as they are so one-eyed

but if i can change the attitude of just one i have done my job

Father Brian Tamaki, Destiny Church
thats 10% of wot ya earnin thanks :killingme

[Marmoot]

NZ sentencing sucks...... :mellow:

"community service" should mean breaking stones and making roads with a ball&chain tied up to the leg.... a.k.a. "hard labour"
That'll save some taxpayer's money aye?

[NC]

Igor, Igor! IGOR!


Get back tot he dungeon! Clean UP those friggen body parts!

[Gixxer]

for those who are a bit slow on the uptake I am taking the Piss out of the know alls. Its called sarcasm.

Yeah, figured that on your opening sentence.

but I am sure the perp understood what 'forbidden to drive' meant, this whole 'can't speak engrish' is a load of shit, just some shit they slung to obtain a get out of jail free card, and supply the herald with more crap to dump on the police.
give me an hour in a semi dark room with a small portable generator with jumper cables, some of those little wooden kebab sticks, both of the Auckland yellow pages and a rubber hose, and I will have him reciting the English dictionary in no time.

[Hoon]

wake up, all the Police bashers will tell ya if the cops had of spoken Mandarin or Cantonese or got a interpreter down then this would not have happened. Said Asain student would of understood fully he was not to drive and this boy would still be alive.

Hehe ... I stand corrected :) All cops know ching-chong anyways as all the instructions for their radars are written innit ehh hur hur hur....get me another beer Jed!!!

[igor]

[QUOTE=igor]since u guys like bagging the Poice so much, ya may as well blame them for this to. On a more serious note this SUCKS :angry2:
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what really sucks isn't the sentence but the guy who died sounded like a top dude.

Quasi's idea on the other thread sound llike as very good idea, not that I condone this behaviour.
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also of note in the Herald is abortions are up. not that i am a anti abortion crusader, but 3000 odd had by asians, not that I am anti asian

but our dear government wants all these lovely students here helping the economy but they do appear to be VERY FU#kin immature for there age.

A. Treating driving as a right (killing themselves and others)
B. Xtortion tactics (appeared to dropped after a few decent sentences)
C. Relationship failing (Killing the ex and the new Partner)

Now don't get me wrong as I have met many cool asians but some need to be kept on a lead to control behaviour.

to much money and freedom

[Marmoot]

what really sucks isn't the sentence but the guy ...


The NZ sentencing sucks....period.

One of my staff got away with not paying his $3500 tickets. Guess who has to cop it? Me! for being his employer I have to do extra accounting and deduct (how much????) $60 PER WEEK from his pay so the ticket will be paid in about TWO YEARS! (so quick eh?) And if I'm one day late I will get prosecuted. Oh right....and I cannot change his position or payment if it would be because of this fine. I reckon they should knock on his door and sell one of his kidney instead!

And you know how many thousands other cases where causing death gets you away with so-called community services.....that many people did not even complete!!!

Sentencing sucks. Period.
:brick:

[igor]

The NZ sentencing sucks....period.

And you know how many thousands other cases where causing death gets you away with so-called community services.....that many people did not even complete!!!

Sentencing sucks. Period.
:brick:

yes but the poor judge has to treat every case individually.

the funny thing is tthe police spend more hours investigating the matter than the said PERP gets for asentence

of course the nice defence lawyer whom is getting legal aid does have to give acrosss the PERPs background circumstances, which usually go like this

my client comes fro m a deprieved background and the reason for his offending is he didn't get fish & chips on a friday night like all those other Kiwi children. this has emotionally blah blah blah

[spudchucka]

for those who are a bit slow on the uptake I am taking the Piss out of the know alls. Its called sarcasm.
Good on ya.

I notice your language / spelling / gramma has taken on a new format.

[scumdog]

Regarding the student not "understanding" that he had ben forbidden to drive, if the other boys are anything like me (and the others I know) that student would have been left in no doubt that if he drive before getting a licence he would be in trouble AND any car he was driving while he was forbidden would be impounded - regardless if it is his car or somebody elses. :shit:

I get anybody I forbid to drive to repeat what I have told them so I can see they understand the consequences.

[Marmoot]

if he drive before getting a licence he would be in trouble AND any car he was driving while he was forbidden would be impounded - regardless if it is his car or somebody elses.

MORE POWER TO SCUMDOG!!!!
:rockon:

[rodgerd]

NZ sentencing sucks...... :mellow:

"community service" should mean breaking stones and making roads with a ball&chain tied up to the leg.... a.k.a. "hard labour"
That'll save some taxpayer's money aye?

Well, since he's here on a student visa, why not just kick the little shit out of the country and never let him back?

[Marmoot]

Well, since he's here on a student visa, why not just kick the little shit out of the country and never let him back?

because Im not talking about this particular case. Im talking about the other hundreds of cases and sentencing in general.

When this government promised 'tougher sentencing' I did not know that they actually meant it for speeding offences and not the criminal offences.....

And, for Heaven's Sake, please somebody remove that stupid bail system so that criminals really spend the time behind bars instead of just 30% of the sentence time!

[Stinger]

I think that when you ride around areas like that you have to be pretty much expecting the people to try to drive into you. I've ridden my bike to Auckland Uni lots of times, if I didn't ride like I thought they'd try to hit me then I'd be a statistic too.

Being in a situation around that area where you get a chance to brake heavily and yet are still going fast enough to cause death.....

[avgas]

Sorry, but i owe this country nothing (except a large student loan). So when im done with my degree - im gone, and i suggest if anyone else hates the attitudes here they do so too.
If someone wants me to explain the indepth reasons of why this country sucks, so we can delve into the mess. Im happy to start a thread (just message me)
Oh some aisans dont get a fair deal here either (no im not aisan, my g/f is). This country's government in a joke to the rest of civilizaton.
Im gonna miss all the nice points to it though, esp the riding

[750Y]

wtf? you are a spoilt little brat that needs to grow up.

[James Deuce]

Sorry, but i owe this country nothing (except a large student loan). So when im done with my degree - im gone, and i suggest if anyone else hates the attitudes here they do so too.
If someone wants me to explain the indepth reasons of why this country sucks, so we can delve into the mess. Im happy to start a thread (just message me)
Oh some aisans dont get a fair deal here either (no im not aisan, my g/f is). This country's government in a joke to the rest of civilizaton.
Im gonna miss all the nice points to it though, esp the riding

You're in for a big surprise fella.

NZ is about as close to fair society as you will find. It's why we're struggling. Racism everywhere else I've visited or lived is dealt out with baseball bats, guns, and knives, not name calling and un-PC comments by vote catching Opposition MPs.

[Stinger]

Sorry, but i owe this country nothing (except a large student loan). So when im done with my degree - im gone, and i suggest if anyone else hates the attitudes here they do so too.
If someone wants me to explain the indepth reasons of why this country sucks, so we can delve into the mess. Im happy to start a thread (just message me)
Oh some aisans dont get a fair deal here either (no im not aisan, my g/f is). This country's government in a joke to the rest of civilizaton.
Im gonna miss all the nice points to it though, esp the riding

I think there are some things that I don't like about NZ, but mostly it's pretty good. I'd be interested if you did start a thread and explained what you mean about our country sucking.

[marty]

Sorry, but i owe this country nothing (except a large student loan). So when im done with my degree - im gone, and i suggest if anyone else hates the attitudes here they do so too.
If someone wants me to explain the indepth reasons of why this country sucks, so we can delve into the mess. Im happy to start a thread (just message me)
Oh some aisans dont get a fair deal here either (no im not aisan, my g/f is). This country's government in a joke to the rest of civilizaton.
Im gonna miss all the nice points to it though, esp the riding

the you'll be flying back into auckland - over the hauraki gulf - in a few years thining 'fuck it's nice to be home'. it's so green/unpolluted/basic/quiet/homelike etc. then you'll realise that living in london/manchester/LA/new york etc is fun, but there's no place like home. there's no place like home. there's no place like home. (don't forget to tap your heels.......)

[scumdog]

Sorry, but i owe this country nothing (except a large student loan). So when im done with my degree - im gone, and i suggest if anyone else hates the attitudes here they do so too.
If someone wants me to explain the indepth reasons of why this country sucks, so we can delve into the mess. Im happy to start a thread (just message me)
Oh some aisans dont get a fair deal here either (no im not aisan, my g/f is). This country's government in a joke to the rest of civilizaton.
Im gonna miss all the nice points to it though, esp the riding

Yo in fer a hell of a nasty surprise boy!
I've travelled and KNOW this country is pretty damn good, sure it ain't perfect but it is a whole lot better than a whole lot of other countries, in fact I'm struggling to think of a better one, how about YOU nominate one and tell us all what is so good about it compared to N.Z? :yeah:

[KATWYN]

Guess who has to cop it? Me! for being his employer I have to do extra accounting and deduct (how much????) $60 PER WEEK from his pay so the ticket will be paid in about TWO YEARS! :brick:

Yea along with administration costs, if you are not paying it electronically - don't forget the 0.45 cent stamp & 0.10 envelope every month for the next 24 months - it can be the same when people have "over received" WINZ benefits as well -

[Sniper]

Yeah, figured that on your opening sentence.

but I am sure the perp understood what 'forbidden to drive' meant, this whole 'can't speak engrish' is a load of shit, just some shit they slung to obtain a get out of jail free card, and supply the herald with more crap to dump on the police.
give me an hour in a semi dark room with a small portable generator with jumper cables, some of those little wooden kebab sticks, both of the Auckland yellow pages and a rubber hose, and I will have him reciting the English dictionary in no time.

Hehehe, I would like to see that. And help!! All that they have done now is opened a door to all the bloody non-english speaking people to understand that if you aren't competant in speaking english you can get away with killing an innocent person.

Should have strung him up by his scrotum in a tree full of hungry vampire bats and beat him with barbed wire till he recited shakespear and then beaten him harder because I dont like shakespeare!! :mad: :mad:

[Sniper]

Yo in fer a hell of a nasty surprise boy!
I've travelled and KNOW this country is pretty damn good, sure it ain't perfect but it is a whole lot better than a whole lot of other countries, in fact I'm struggling to think of a better one, how about YOU nominate one and tell us all what is so good about it compared to N.Z? :yeah:

Used to liv e in South Africa, been all over the world and I still think NZ is the best and I am proud to call it my home! Bit :cold: though

[James Deuce]

Used to liv e in South Africa, been all over the world and I still think NZ is the best and I am proud to call it my home! Bit :cold: though
You can STAY! :)

Remind me to knit you a scarf.

[marty]

and avgas - when you get to the UK and want to get your bike licence. oh sorry, you need to sit these tests, then you can ride a restricted 125cc scooter. then open a bank account. oh sorry, you have no saving history in the UK. then get insurance. oh sorry - a hot hatch? no insurance history? that'll be 1000 pounds with 1000 excess. oh you ride a cicle? hahahahahahaha. then rent a flat. oh sorry - no history? you can have this squat in houndslow (at least ya get to watch the aeroplanes come and go) for a 120 quid a week. oh would you like to fill up your vehcile with petrol? that'll be 1.20 (pounds) a litre (ouch!) oh would you like to see some sun? that'll be back around march..... and a pint of lager? that'll be 5 quid thanks mate.

lets hope you can earn more than 200 a week.......

i have just made enquiries to get a UK commercial pilots licence. 60 000 pounds for a basic licence. even if i have a NZ CPL ($40 000 to get), i can only transfer 20% to UK time, meaning if i had spent $60000 here, i will still be at the bottom of the heap, and need to spend another 30000 quid!

hey - we all look forward to your tales of how much better it is though.

[MikeL]

been all over the world and I still think NZ is the best and I am proud to call it my home! Bit :cold: though

Me too. Being an Aussie originally I'm used to a bit more warmth. The best thing that could happen to NZ would be to drag the North Island several degrees closer to the equator. Leave the SI where it is, though, for the skiing.

Then it would be truly paradise.

[Blakamin]

Bein another Aussie, I reckon NZ's pretty good but..... why cant they fix the fuckin health system?
thats my only gripe :wacko: :beer:

[Sniper]

You can STAY! :)

Remind me to knit you a scarf.

Hahaha, Thanks Jim2, Its people like you guys that make NZ the best, but I didnt know that you can knit scarfs. :laugh:

[Sniper]

and avgas - when you get to the UK and want to get your bike licence. oh sorry, you need to sit these tests, then you can ride a restricted 125cc scooter. then open a bank account. oh sorry, you have no saving history in the UK. then get insurance. oh sorry - a hot hatch? no insurance history? that'll be 1000 pounds with 1000 excess. oh you ride a cicle? hahahahahahaha. then rent a flat. oh sorry - no history? you can have this squat in houndslow (at least ya get to watch the aeroplanes come and go) for a 120 quid a week. oh would you like to fill up your vehcile with petrol? that'll be 1.20 (pounds) a litre (ouch!) oh would you like to see some sun? that'll be back around march..... and a pint of lager? that'll be 5 quid thanks mate.

lets hope you can earn more than 200 a week.......

i have just made enquiries to get a UK commercial pilots licence. 60 000 pounds for a basic licence. even if i have a NZ CPL ($40 000 to get), i can only transfer 20% to UK time, meaning if i had spent $60000 here, i will still be at the bottom of the heap, and need to spend another 30000 quid!

hey - we all look forward to your tales of how great it is though.

Always look on the bright siiide of life (Sung in tune I hope, Im not too good on this :) )

[magnum]

new zealand is a gweat pwace :banana: a little bit too p.c when it comes to sentencing crims [bloody do-gooders dont think about the victims],hoping that one day that will change

[Zapf]

If I am reading this right, this Driver (Bo Cong) has been in a Student studying in a Uni for over 3 years and he still does not understand the word "forbidden" is a load of bollix.

To gain entry to Uni he must have sat a test to show a reasonable understanding of english. To have been in Auckland Uni for 3 years he must be studying a course in English and not chinese.

Even if he was learning English he would have know by now.

So I think his parents just paided a very handsome amount to a lawyer who lied about it. I personally would really like to proof that he has an understanding of english well and beyond "forbidden", heck put me in undercover with him at communit work and I'll show u the truth.

So he is sentenced to disqualified from driving for 2 years.... does he understand that?

Oh and don't tell me he doesn't have a english to chinese dictionary. :mad:

[Indiana_Jones]

Another harsh Sentence from Labour, bloody left-wing knobs.

-Indy

[Marmoot]

So I think his parents just paided a very handsome amount to a lawyer who lied about it.


paided? <_<

[toads]

dude that doesnt make me angry at the police, just sad for this guys family. He sounded like a top bloke, what a loss. And do we like bagging the police here ? thats Lou :d The police have nothing to do with this case, if we're lucky they may have knocked him around with the auckland yellow pages.
just really sad............. :weep:

yes exactly, and the point this family wanted to make was the fact that their son's life was not respected to the degree that any other form of preventable death would have been in the eyes of the law and appropriate sentencing delivered, the case where little girl who was savaged by a dog in auckland, was given far higher sentencing for the people who owned the dog, than this guy got, it isn't right or fair for any repeat offender to be able to go and do their crime over again, and it's about time we all stood up and said so.

[Zapf]

paided? <_<

ok fine... bad spelling... :bleh:

[Jamezo]

Another harsh Sentence from Labour, bloody left-wing knobs.

-Indy

run that by me, exactly how the government affected the sentencing? considering I know of no law change since the National government that would have affected the sentence?

I find the sentence appalling too, but your connecting it with the government and left-wing politics in general is just strange.

[scumdog]

ok fine... bad spelling... :bleh:

You spelded it really bad, it was one of the worstest spelling mistooks on the site ........yeah right!!

[Indiana_Jones]

run that by me, exactly how the government affected the sentencing? considering I know of no law change since the National government that would have affected the sentence?

I find the sentence appalling too, but your connecting it with the government and left-wing politics in general is just strange.

Granted, but any excuse to knock Labour is taken, they really suck :bleh:

-Indy

[justsomeguy]

Does the go'worm'ent not have the power to change laws.

NZ is a GREAT country. But it's attitude towards criminals is ridiculous.

:Oi: These people are criminals - meaning they have commited a crime - meaning that they have done something bad - meaning that somebody or someone suffered as a result of their actions - meaning that they did something that was WRONG -

The case of the (bucking fastard) chinese driver killing that student literally boils my blood. Here was a guy forbidden to drive who was driving in one of the busiest parts of the country and he was not following the road rules. His behaviour killed a guy. KILLED HIM. Meaning that for the student - thats it and for his family a large part of their life too died with their boy.

I don't understand what forbidden means??????? And 250 hours community service..............

What the f ????

Seriously, did he pay the judge too???

[Jamezo]

You've got it completely wrong, he SLEPT with the Judge. :buggerd:

[justsomeguy]

You've got it completely wrong, he SLEPT with the Judge. :buggerd:
Ahhhh! No wonder then............

Thanks for the clarification.

[Sniper]

You've got it completely wrong, he SLEPT with the Judge. :buggerd:

Ummm, damn, yet another reason to be scared of Asians. I thought their driving was bad but now??? :Pokey: :eek5:

[Lou Girardin]

Now I know we are spoiled for choice on this thread. But my current favourite is the Police area 'manager' on the West Coast. When one of his cops was found to have unlawfully assaulted and arrested a man, he said that he would not seek to have the cops bravery commendation rescinded. This 'brave' man and three of his colleagues beat the, unarmed, guy with batons and rammed his head into a lamp post. Apparently because he objected to the cop hiding in the bushes. This was the heroic act that he won his award for.
This happened a week after we honoured the return of the unknown soldiers remains to NZ, a truly brave man who gave his life for us.
We truly are in the age of Wonderland and the Queen of Hearts.

[scumdog]

Now I know we are spoiled for choice on this thread. But my current favourite is the Police area 'manager' on the West Coast. When one of his cops was found to have unlawfully assaulted and arrested a man, he said that he would not seek to have the cops bravery commendation rescinded. This 'brave' man and three of his colleagues beat the, unarmed, guy with batons and rammed his head into a lamp post. Apparently because he objected to the cop hiding in the bushes. This was the heroic act that he won his award for.
This happened a week after we honoured the return of the unknown soldiers remains to NZ, a truly brave man who gave his life for us.
We truly are in the age of Wonderland and the Queen of Hearts.

There must be some tenuous link here with this thread but I fail to see it -or do all windmills look the same when you're tilting at them? :wacko: :blink: