Bring back the Castrol Six Hour....

[codgyoleracer]

Endurance racing is a very very different game to sprint road racing & it employs so many different skills in both machine preparation, & rider skill / consistency.
Its also a much more involving event for your supporters & support crews - who play pivotal parts in re-fueling, wheel changes etc etc.
The off road guys - have many of there own endurance events - but the road race guys have slim pickings for anything of a decent length 4 hours +
What support is out there from Kiwibiker racers to get an endurance event going again ?, & who can be the driver to get it going ?

Glen

[HDTboy]

I'm keen as a bean to ride in an endurance race. I just need to learn how to ride first

[bugjuice]

ditto...

[snot]

I'm keen as a bean to ride in an endurance race. I just need to learn how to ride first

You needa lose some pounds first too fatty...

[skelstar]

Fark I'm quite reluctant to do a sprint race, but I'd def give endurance stuff a crack. Would be friggin awesome.

[xwhatsit]

I love endurance races -- not a racer myself of course, but in terms of sport there's something very special about them. Something more appealing about the greater amount of strategy and thought that goes into winning, rather than the comparatively balls-out-testoterone of short-course.

What barriers are in the way of an endurance race starting again in NZ? Crowds? Getting the track for that long? General apathy?

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Oooh yes - KB 6hour at Taupo or Hampton Downs. Got a nice ring to it, don't ya think? 2 riders per team, super pole, flying lap winners etc.
I LIKE it!!

[justsomeguy]

I once did 12 - 20 min sessions at a Taupo track day, riding back to back in the fast and medium groups (my, my will you look at the idiot praising himself....:Offtopic:)

Anyway, this demonstrated to me that the mental concentration required and the pure physical fitness required make it a completely different game.

Be awesome if we could have a race such as this and full respect to the guys and girls who have the stuff to last out such an event and still retain respectable lap times.

[FROSTY]

HMM the KB 6 hour hu?
I was going to have a go at organising a one off race meeting to see how I go.
The challenges are 1) It needs to be done through a MNZ affiliated club
Doesn't need to be one of the current three running road racing though
2)event sponsors to defray costs
3)how many entrys allowed for a 6 hour meeting -Im thinking 30 would be maximum -on that basis I'd need to charge about $400 in entry fees to cover basic costs -that wouldnt allow for prizegiving etc.
4)logistics-would they use pit garages or would the pits be outside.
Nothing insermountable but in that situation you only get one chance to get it right

[bugjuice]

HMM the KB 6 hour hu?
like the coro loop..? yeah, I'm game..


good idea tho.. nil experience, I'd be in there to be a mobile chicane. You'll learn to love me for it

[codgyoleracer]

HMM the KB 6 hour hu?
maximum -on that basis I'd need to charge about $400 in entry fees to cover basic costs -that wouldnt allow for prizegiving etc.
4)logistics-would they use pit garages or would the pits be outside.
Nothing insermountable but in that situation you only get one chance to get it right


The last four hour was over $500 for entry frosty - but divided by two its relativly acceptable (it was a pretty full field). Oddly enough sponsors seem pretty approachable over entry fee's also - as it is easier to claim as a cost of business.
The last (not run) endurance race was supposed to of been canceled due to the organisers not being able to secure TV coverage, - but you would think a popular event once established for three years would be far more likely to attract TV coverage for a reduced $$$$$.
An endurance race naming rights actually carries some "mana" and it would be reasnoble to expect these to be more "sellable" to a wider range of primary sponsors ?

Who wants to put their hand in their pocket to help underwrite the costs ? - even if this was only the value of one set of tyres from entrants - it could secure an event & get it rolling ?. (fully retunable on the event running a profit)

I'me sure Frosty might consider commiting his time for the the first couple of events "for love" rather than hard cash - after that , hopefully the event can pull a profit & pay the man some wages ?

Its amazing who comes out of the woodwork competitor-wise for an endurance race - it is a TOTALLY different scene compared to a days sprint racing & is an achievment just to finish without a bike or machine incident of some sort. Its also one of the few forms of road racing that really involves your friends & helpers - as you grab anyone that can "spin a spanner" to help you through the day & not screw up re-fueling duties.

Dunno about a n endurance race at Taupo though - I can feel my thighs & forearms aching already...................

Glen :yes:

[jahrasti]

sounds cool but will it cater for F3/Pro twins or will it be 600SP and superbikes only?

[Sketchy_Racer]

BRING IT!!

Its bloody awesome!!

Wont see me out there on the 125 for 6 hours though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[roogazza]

Brings back memories of practicing fuel stops in the motel driveway before a 6 hour. Nev and I could change tanks in about 5 seconds ! But that was without putting the retaining bolt in ! Anyway it was all banned at the next 6 hour. Gaz. (tall tales , but true !!!)

[tri boy]

I can't endurance race for shit, and i don't think I can consume as much beer as I used to when watching the Manfield events........
But for the Glory and the Good of M/sickle racing, I'll put on my drinking cap, and give it a bloody good go.:drinknsin
Bring it on.:chase:

[FROSTY]

Who wants to put their hand in their pocket to help underwrite the costs ? - even if this was only the value of one set of tyres from entrants - it could secure an event & get it rolling ?. (fully retunable on the event running a profit)

I'me sure Frosty might consider commiting his time for the the first couple of events "for love" rather than hard cash - after that , Glen :yes: Have I told you how much I hate you Glen ??:mad::mad::mad:
You know darn well I wont be able to put this one down.!!!!!!!!!!!!
Setup wise atthe moment Taupo presents a couple of challanges but none really a major --track entry is a bit shakey mid race -pit board location is gonna be difficult
Thats outweighed I think by the best pits facilities in NZ at the moment.
I suspect that a well ridden 600 might actually win at Taupo

[speed63]

Great idea :clap: a lot of interest in this sort of event. If you pitched it right your average racer could participate :yes:

[codgyoleracer]

Have I told you how much I hate you Glen ??:mad::mad::mad:
You know darn well I wont be able to put this one down.!!!!!!!!!!!!
Setup wise atthe moment Taupo presents a couple of challanges but none really a major --track entry is a bit shakey mid race -pit board location is gonna be difficult
Thats outweighed I think by the best pits facilities in NZ at the moment.
I suspect that a well ridden 600 might actually win at Taupo

What have you started Frosty...............Its a bit pie in the sky but will be interesting to see the comments & questions come back from the KB's

[Mom]

Manfield early 80's, Castrol 6 hour...........god I am so old! Yeah, bring it back!

[FROSTY]

Ok the people who own the track would go for a high profile bike race
They have A1 gp -but a bike race hmmm
Ok now The best time would be the weekend AFTER A1
they willhave ripped downt the stands on turn 1 but the rest would be there.
Jan 2009 --the KB 6 hour

[Motig]

God I've still got t-shirts from 87 + 88 6 hrs. Wife and I used to take our hols then and go up Fielding, motel was just a short walk from the track. Great racing and the pitstops were often quite entertaining too. Bring it back.

[Cleve]

God I've still got t-shirts from 87 + 88 6 hrs. Wife and I used to take our hols then and go up Fielding, motel was just a short walk from the track. Great racing and the pitstops were often quite entertaining too. Bring it back.

Jeees so it isn't just me who was alive during the Castrol 6 Hour era. Great memories. Jan 09... hmmm this has got me wondering...

Has to be a team of minimum 2 right? No more days of Croz winning on his own right?

[skelstar]

PM Deano FROSTY, I suspect that Cliffhanger (Hill climb folk) might be a MNZ affiliated club... they have the National Champs status for the hill climb in Feb. They are growing and may love to be involved in this...

[SPman]

How about for Production bikes. Very limited mods, street tyres, etc. None of this, changed the springs/brakes/tyres/clutch etc, because of safety! Run them as near to street as possible.
Mind you, if it's like the old days, there'd be cheating galore.........

[speed63]

Has to be a team of minimum 2 right? No more days of Croz winning on his own right?

How about an individual class = 3 hours

Team of two riders = 6 hours??

Too hard to administer?

[Two Smoker]

If the event is organised, I will go about getting money and another rider to race it :niceone:

[k14]

Ok the people who own the track would go for a high profile bike race
They have A1 gp -but a bike race hmmm
Ok now The best time would be the weekend AFTER A1
they willhave ripped downt the stands on turn 1 but the rest would be there.
Jan 2009 --the KB 6 hour
Dunno about january, conflicts with the traditional nationals dates too much. What about early december? Good weather, before nationals. Might be a better time of year.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Ok the people who own the track would go for a high profile bike race
They have A1 gp -but a bike race hmmm
Ok now The best time would be the weekend AFTER A1
they willhave ripped downt the stands on turn 1 but the rest would be there.
Jan 2009 --the KB 6 hour

Yes, I fricken like it! Frosty - bringing sexy back to motorcycle racing since ages ago!! :banana::buggerd::banana:

[slowpoke]

Yep, it sounds like a great idea. I've often wondered what became of the 6 hour, and why it died. It was one of the dates you used to base your year around.
Sorry for the dose of reality but the crowds I saw at our National series were hardly bulging out of the stands. To expect a large turnout is unrealistic early on and I'm not convinced about Taupo, although I can see why our Northern bretheren might prefer it. The nostalgia factor with Manfeild might be a useful drawcard though, despite it's poor condition.
Maybe tying it in to the end of the national Series as a finale is an option, as a competitor you wouldn't want to thrash/trash your bike before the season proper even starts.

[Cleve]

Maybe tying it in to the end of the national Series as a finale is an option, as a competitor you wouldn't want to thrash/trash your bike before the season proper even starts.

I like that idea. All through Feb/March and even into April weather is still good (December still too dodgy) but no racing to be had (apart from Paeroa and PMCC in N Is)

[roogazza]

I would have thought Manfeild over Taupo any day , just the whole layout ?
A Manfeild with pits and re sealed has to be better , doesn't it ? Gaz.

[Hitcher]

Mrs H got very excited by the prospect of competing in an endurance racing event, probably spurred by her past experiences with the Grand Challenge and a track day at Manfeild. Maybe there could be a 24-hour event?

[scrivy]

Frosty, as per my Taupo Road Race Spectacular thread, I would love to see an endurance race happen at Taupo.
I think we need to talk it over, and see what we would need to do. I'm as keen as mustard to get it rolling!! :2thumbsup
NZSRA - New Zealand Sidecar Racing Association is affiliated too.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=55904&page=2

I would even be keen to sponsor it too..........

[codgyoleracer]

Hey Frosty , Maybe best to move this thread to a more open forum & get the day-to-day motorcyclists point of view also. (as many dont check out the race thread). After some time on line it may well be an impressive thread to present to a potential sponsor as a direct gauge of interest in the motorcyling community ?
There is a bunch of stuff to consider/discuss on this subject - but public support is what sponsors are really intersted in.

[denill]

Vince Sharpe and Richard Driver staged a 6 hr (I think) production race at Pukekohe just a few years ago. They had considerable support from all the importers and they intended it to be an annual event - but that didn't eventuate. :argh:

But hey, my bum will be on a seat in Taupo if this one flies. It sure won't be there for another A1 bore session. :clap: :clap:

[denill]

Vince Sharpe and Richard Driver staged a 6 hr (I think) production race at Pukekohe just a few years ago. They had considerable support from all the importers and they intended it to be an annual event - but that didn't eventuate. :argh:
A <a href=http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/050304~Endurance_Road_Race.pdf>LINK to the "NZ Motorcycle Distributors 300":</A>

[Goblin]

Fantastic idea! I remember the 6 hour well. Does anyone remember Buster Saunders? Little legend he was.

[codgyoleracer]

Vince Sharpe and Richard Driver staged a 6 hr (I think) production race at Pukekohe just a few years ago. They had considerable support from all the importers and they intended it to be an annual event - but that didn't eventuate. :argh:

But hey, my bum will be on a seat in Taupo if this one flies. It sure won't be there for another A1 bore session. :clap: :clap:

Vinces thing was to be a 300kay race, but revolved totally around TV coverage (as demanded by the key chosen sponsor). This couldnt be afforded - so it was canned.
Unless funding is underwritten in the first instance - it is possible that you would need to run the event for a few years (& gain in main only print media coverage, which is a lot easier to get) & build up the public & industry interest. Then when you have a "callender event to sell" the telly people become more convivial to negotiating lower costs of coverage with you a s they themselves can sell advertising spots within the event coverage & make their money back to a greater extent that way.

[timorang]

20+ years ago I went to the castrol 6hr at Manfield (over several years) and it was always a good event that provided good racing a variety of bikes and riders, drama's along the way. If I recall correctly there was always a good crowd that were participative and entertaining. Bikes are back. There should be a strong following for such an event. Taupo would be best. Someone do it and I will be there to watch.

[slowpoke]

Hmmmm, Hampton Downs is slated to be finished within 2 years of the start of construction which was February this year. A major motorcycle race could be a good drawcard for them and the palaver around opening a new track could be good for a proposed event and sponsorship exposure.
If they are on schedule then the end of the Nationals could fall nicely in line with track availability.

[denill]

Hmmmm, Hampton Downs is slated to be finished within 2 years of the start of construction which was February this year. A major motorcycle race could be a good drawcard for them and the palaver around opening a new track could be good for a proposed event and sponsorship exposure.
If they are on schedule then the end of the Nationals could fall nicely in line with track availability.


Worthy of merit. Does Hampton Downs feature much change of elevation in the track?

Personally, I am not a fan of the Taupo track and call me old fashioned but spectator wise, I would prefer the original Manfield circuit.

Am I in the minority here?

[denill]

Worthy of merit. Does Hampton Downs feature much change of elevation in the track?

Ummm, <a href=http://www.hamptondowns.com/Track.wse>Just answered my own question:</A>

[FROSTY]

Skrivy--Ill be in touch
ok so itll be the GW, frosty,laurence brothers 6 hour--eeeep --heck of a mouthfull

[FROSTY]

SOOO------will the average KBer come along and watch a 6 hour if it was held at Taupo?

[Hitcher]

SOOO------will the average KBer come along and watch a 6 hour if it was held at Taupo?

Organise it. They will come.

[merv]

Skrivy--Ill be in touch
ok so itll be the GW, frosty,laurence brothers 6 hour--eeeep --heck of a mouthfull

What is it going to be the first mixed bike and sidecar 6 hour race? Make it too open and the damn quad riders will want to join in too.

[steveb64]

SOOO------will the average KBer come along and watch a 6 hour if it was held at Taupo?

Only if I can't afford to race in it... DO it!:soon:

[timorang]

I am sure KB'ers and many other motorsport enthusiasts would come. There would need to be good sponsorship on site i.e. bike displays and merchandise, open pits etc. Not sure Hampton downs would be good for bikes as a green track. Would be best with some rubber down and having settled and 'bled' for a bit. Also bikes to test run off areas, barriers etc may not be the best. Rather cars were banged up testing the track and facilities.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Vince Sharpe and Richard Driver staged a 6 hr (I think) production race at Pukekohe just a few years ago. They had considerable support from all the importers and they intended it to be an annual event - but that didn't eventuate. :argh:

But hey, my bum will be on a seat in Taupo if this one flies. It sure won't be there for another A1 bore session. :clap: :clap:


Hey I know Richard Driver - I'm sure he'd still have a flame burning for this one. Would make an interesting doco, wouldn't it...

[BIGBOSSMAN]

I'd definitely come along as a spectator, maybe as a participant as well (where's my supercharger??).

[FROSTY]

well the ol brain cells are rumbling away here.
Im looking at Auckland aniversary weekend 2009
weekend AFTER A1gp
2 day meeting--saturday being a normal race meeting or possibly 2 x 2 hour support races followed by qualifying for the 6 hour--Qualifying being a superpole or just a normal lap time shootout.
Theres a lot of good reasons for Taupo
-infastructure for A1 is in place already so could stay an extra week.
its 3-4 hours from most places in the north island
No disrespect to manfeild motocross track but it does leave a bit to be desired surface and facilities wise for a major event

Near as I can tell there isna a big step from a track day to an ENDURANCE race meeting but there will be a shit load more marshalls and track officials

[roogazza]

Personally, I am not a fan of the Taupo track and call me old fashioned but spectator wise, I would prefer the original Manfield circuit.
Am I in the minority here?
I've only been to Taupo once Bill, and although I enjoyed it as a club event I was dissapointed after hearing so much about it . Certainly not what I'd call an international level track. Surely Kiwis could build something bigger , better and faster than that ?? Hampton Downs wouldn't have to be that good to be better ? Gaz.

[scracha]

My tuppenceworth.

I've been bleating about the lack of endurance racing since I arrived here.

I take it this will be for Nationals level riders by invitation only?
Is it just F1/F2?
Will they do a 'le mans' style start?
How many bikes are allowed on the track at one time? I mean, the tracks over here are very small.
Regards to time. You'd be best doing it around the time-frame of the BOTS series as there's a better chance of TV coverage if "johnny foreigner" is racing.

Can I organise the fireworks and trance music if it's a 24 hour one :eek:

[codgyoleracer]

Re Track choice:
A hell of lot will depend on the pro-active nature of the track owners/operators. Especially in the early years of running an event where you want as many key partners "on-board" as possible so to speak - who are driven to make the event a success in the long term. (As oposed to driven to make big money from the event in the first instance)
Taupo actually has quite good viewing - as long as you utilise the grandstands which will be there in abundance after the A1GP, TV cameras can also cover a lot of corners from single points also.
The track condition would need to be monitored for rubber shards & build up it it is to be soon after the A1 though.

[codgyoleracer]

My tuppenceworth.

I've been bleating about the lack of endurance racing since I arrived here.

I take it this will be for Nationals level riders by invitation only?
Is it just F1/F2?
Will they do a 'le mans' style start?
How many bikes are allowed on the track at one time? I mean, the tracks over here are very small.
Regards to time. You'd be best doing it around the time-frame of the BOTS series as there's a better chance of TV coverage if "johnny foreigner" is racing.

Can I organise the fireworks and trance music if it's a 24 hour one :eek:

I imagine there may be minor stipulations on some previouse race experience, Likely Superbike/Supersport , 2hr race on the Sat for smaller classes, Lemans start for sure I think Sat & Sun. Good point on the johnny foreigner thing.
The length of race is dictated by stringent timeframes of track hire & must allow for potential hiccups during the day ?, 6Hrs max - maybe less, maybe a distance race e.g 500Km - who knows ?

Keep the ideas coming KB's
Glen

[Mr Merde]

Worthy of merit. Does Hampton Downs feature much change of elevation in the track?

.....?

From memory the home straight has an elevation of something like 13 meters.

[Hitcher]

From memory the home straight has an elevation of something like 13 meters.

Metres. Meters come in all sorts of different sizes.

[FROSTY]

Ive just encountered hurdle number one to get over.
Taupo as it stands ISN"T approved by MNZ as a national level track.
The issue is the wall turning onto the start finish straight.
Not insamountable -itll come back to the Hay bale/bottle bales may be enough.
Amazing when you have a track that HAS killed/ maimed riders in the last few years that IS MNZ aproved

[Mr Merde]

Metres. Meters come in all sorts of different sizes.

Just like Litres and liters but try telling that to the uneducated and the Americans, or is that the same thing? mmmmmm

[k14]

If my 2c mean anything I reckon Manfeild is a way better option. Apart from the fact that i hate taupo with passion, Manfeild is a longer lap (if you use the full circuit) which means you can have more guys in the field without them tripping over each other every 2 laps. Just a thought.

The pit facilities are fine at Manfeild. It also has good viewing, you can see pretty much the whole track from the grandstand and fit plenty of people in there. Also isn't it being resealed in the not too distant future?

[scracha]

Now if we could just turn the Coro Loop into a TT race the week after :Police:

http://www.race24.com/
http://www.hottrax-motorsport.co.uk/

[limbimtimwim]

Come watch?

I'd compete!

But I couldn't do big races the day before. I'm too unfit.

[roogazza]

The trouble with these endurance races, and I've seen it so many times in the past, is you get all sorts of novices "going racing" ! At castrol 6 hrs all sorts would jump out of the woodwork and be a danger to themselves and more importantly to the pros.
Far to many want to just get out there so they get their photo taken.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to see it happen, but only in a professional form with dealer teams etc. The state road racing is in, as compared to the 6 hr days , I doubt it can happen at the moment.
That ends my negative rant for today. Gaz. :yawn:

[skelstar]

I'm def keen to come watch... would't mind giving it a nudge but Gaz makes a good point.

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

The trouble with these endurance races, and I've seen it so many times in the past, is you get all sorts of novices "going racing" ! At castrol 6 hrs all sorts would jump out of the woodwork and be a danger to themselves and more importantly to the pros.
Far to many want to just get out there so they get their photo taken.


stipulate that a minimum of three entries into race licence must be present to register, just like closed street races

I would love to do an endurance race at least once, itll break the bank but would be well worth it IMHO

[limbimtimwim]

I would love to do an endurance race at least once, itll break the bank but would be well worth it IMHOI don't think it has to. On a superbike, yeah, you'll eat tyres which I imagine are your major cost. But on a protwin or and F3 bike, it shant cost that much shurely...?

[scrivy]

ok so itll be the GW, frosty,laurence brothers/scrivy 6 hour--eeeep --heck of a mouthfull
Christ!! What were you going to put in your mouth?? I don't think you'd need to open it that wide..... ;)


Ive just encountered hurdle number one to get over.
Taupo as it stands ISN"T approved by MNZ as a national level track.
The issue is the wall turning onto the start finish straight.
Not insamountable -itll come back to the Hay bale/bottle bales may be enough.
Amazing when you have a track that HAS killed/ maimed riders in the last few years that IS MNZ aproved

Hold on - didn't the Taupo track get approved by Slighty and Paul Pav?? Didn't MNZ want someone to hold a round of the nationals there??
Have I overlooked something?? :eek5:
How then do I get authority to hold an MNZ permitted meeting there each December?? If someone gets hurt, do MNZ not get insurances to pay out, etc?? Why then do we pay riders levies etc??
What is required for MNZ to endorse the Taupo track?? Who's pulling whos pud?? I mean, Puke being approved......... :lol:
How many clubdays are there at Puke compared to Taupo??
:wacko::crazy:

[codgyoleracer]

What is required for MNZ to endorse the Taupo track?? Who's pulling whos pud?? I mean, Puke being approved......... :lol:
How many clubdays are there at Puke compared to Taupo??
:wacko::crazy:

Nice one Scrivmeister, lets see if Frosty can trip us up on something proper next time :soon:
Glen

[Toast]

I don't think it has to. On a superbike, yeah, you'll eat tyres which I imagine are your major cost. But on a protwin or and F3 bike, it shant cost that much shurely...?

With entry fees of around $500 as previously discussed you've already got a high starting point for costs...

My bike uses about 4L of gas in a 5 lap race at Taupo. 200 laps of the place would be about $300 in gas. A set of hard tyres in there will be $500ish.

Then you've got to hope you don't break anything. Risk of crashing is a whole lot higher as you will definitely get fatigued.

I'm sure there are other costs in there as well.

The only thing much lower for an F3 bike would be tyres. But the more competitive you wanted to be, the less that difference to an F1/F2 bike would be.

[scracha]

With entry fees of around $500 as previously discussed you've already got a high starting point for costs...

Split that between 2 riders though. There's a lot of different ways of doing endurance racing and 1 method is the riders go on their own bikes (more like a relay race, reduces risk of some other plonker wrecking your bike and eliminates the need for refuelling crew and marshalls in pits). Might be more appropriate for Saturday or "club" level endurance racing. Also take into account the sheer amount of track time for the money.

I think one of the main stumbling points is that Taupo is a $hitty little track and would only cater for about 35 bikes. Effectively that would mean only F1/F2.

[moT]

Split that between 2 riders though. There's a lot of different ways of doing endurance racing and 1 method is the riders go on their own bikes (more like a relay race, reduces risk of some other plonker wrecking your bike and eliminates the need for refuelling crew and marshalls in pits). Might be more appropriate for Saturday or "club" level endurance racing. Also take into account the sheer amount of track time for the money.

I think one of the main stumbling points is that Taupo is a $hitty little track and would only cater for about 35 bikes. Effectively that would mean only F1/F2.

your so pessimistic you need to believe

[scrivy]

With entry fees of around $500 as previously discussed you've already got a high starting point for costs...

My bike uses about 4L of gas in a 5 lap race at Taupo. 200 laps of the place would be about $300 in gas. A set of hard tyres in there will be $500ish.

Then you've got to hope you don't break anything. Risk of crashing is a whole lot higher as you will definitely get fatigued.

I'm sure there are other costs in there as well.

The only thing much lower for an F3 bike would be tyres. But the more competitive you wanted to be, the less that difference to an F1/F2 bike would be.

$500 entry!!! F@#k !!! Maybe I should charge more for my meeting......:shifty::bleh::laugh: :no::no::no::no:

[skelstar]

Get Vic Club to host a round, and make it that you can only enter if you pre-pay for all the other rounds in their season, promotes their races and ensures a high-level of competance.

[Toast]

$500 entry!!! F@#k !!! Maybe I should charge more for my meeting......:shifty::bleh::laugh: :no::no::no::no:

If you limit it to 30 bikes and give 'em one 6 hour race you might get away with it :)

[scrivy]

Nah, I'd rather let 180 made nutters have fun for their $90!!:bleh:

[k14]

stipulate that a minimum of three entries into race licence must be present to register, just like closed street races

I would love to do an endurance race at least once, itll break the bank but would be well worth it IMHO
Nah you don't do that, you have a 110% qualifying cutoff. Then doesn't matter who you are so long as you can get within that time you are on the grid. If you don't qualify you get to go in the 45 min race before hand and get half your entry fee refunded. Something like that anyway. You need more than 30 bikes on the grid to start with. Maybe 50 if you ran the manfeild full track, depends how many people get within the qualifying cutoff though.

[FROSTY]

Folks If its ok I'd like to have a word to some powers that be.I really want them to come on board with this.
What has occurred to me though is would our KB community be keen/able to provide a chunk of the infastructure ?
Marshal team??-- security team??
Im bloody excited about this

[FROSTY]

A piece of trivia--who has done the MOST 6 hour races IN New Zealand??

[Robert Taylor]

Endurance racing is a very very different game to sprint road racing & it employs so many different skills in both machine preparation, & rider skill / consistency.
Its also a much more involving event for your supporters & support crews - who play pivotal parts in re-fueling, wheel changes etc etc.
The off road guys - have many of there own endurance events - but the road race guys have slim pickings for anything of a decent length 4 hours +
What support is out there from Kiwibiker racers to get an endurance event going again ?, & who can be the driver to get it going ?

Glen

I havent read the replies but as I recall the last endurance races just didnt have enough industry and spectator support? Not decrying them, theyre great, but it may be an uphill struggle to get off the ground.

[Guido]

Well said Robert. I know that Vince and his crew worked very hard to get the 3 hour started and were keen to keep it going, but there just wasnt the required support. My suggestion would be to start with a low key endurance race and build it up, but as for Frosty wanting 5000 spectators to support the event, only Wanganui & Paeroa get big crowds, so it worries me that Frosty will put his considerable energy into an Endurance race and get badly hurt financially.

[denill]

Well said Robert. I know that Vince and his crew worked very hard to get the 3 hour started and were keen to keep it going, but there just wasnt the required support.


Two questions
1 - Was spectator or event/sponsorship support lacking.
2 - What were the spectator numbers?